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Heroes & Villains => Villa Memories => Topic started by: russon on July 19, 2015, 08:30:53 PM
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Mine would be Andreas Weimann. I don't wish the guy any ill but hells bells he was absolute garbage. Hoodwinked many of our parish into thinking he was ok because he ran around a lot but in all facets of the game he was, to put it politely, found somewhat wanting. Being played out of position didn't help but then there isn't a position on earth that could accommodate a 'footballer' like him. I'd sooner have played with ten.
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Ulises De La Cruz is up there. Didier Agathe not far behind in his brief appearances. We've had a few contenders.
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Bosko, I saw nearly every minute he played for us and he looked completely out of his depth. My mate used to cover the reserves and said even for them he looked lost.
Weimann and UDC don't come close to some of the clunkers we've had over the years.
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Maybe not the worst, but the one that's annoyed me the most since I started going in the late 70's is Nigel f¤¤king Callaghan.
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Maybe not the worst, but the one that's annoyed me the most since I started going in the late 70's is Nigel f¤¤king Callaghan.
Jeeze I fucking detested him back in the day.
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I think Nigel Callaghan would be top of my list ...he just didn't show any interest.
Andy Weimann would not be anywhere near the top of my list, was actually quite disappointed he left, good squad player.
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Djemba-Djemba was shit as well. And Beye, apart from that Messi run against Hereford.
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Bryan Small, Steve Sims, Warren Aspinall
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plastic ron the lego man
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I think Nigel Callaghan would be top of my list ...he just didn't show any interest.
Andy Weimann would not be anywhere near the top of my list, was actually quite disappointed he left, good squad player.
That's why I said annoyed me the most rather than worst.
He'd proved he'd got plenty of ability at Watford under SGT then got to us and just couldn't be arsed.
It takes a certain level of ability to be so far ahead of the game that he pre-empted the likes of N'Zogbia and Beye by 25 years in doing f¤¤k all for your wages on that scale.
C##T
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Mine would be Andreas Weimann. I don't wish the guy any ill but hells bells he was absolute garbage. Hoodwinked many of our parish into thinking he was ok because he ran around a lot but in all facets of the game he was, to put it politely, found somewhat wanting. Being played out of position didn't help but then there isn't a position on earth that could accommodate a 'footballer' like him. I'd sooner have played with ten.
Weimann doesn't come close. He is defo not as bad you paint him.
Callaghan was hopeless. Neil Rioch was pretty poor. Cantscorino was bad. Tony Moon was gash.
I think there are several who claim the title you seek to give to Andreas.
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I also remember Dean Glover and David Norton were a bit crap. Or maybe how shit we were in the mid 80s just makes me think they were shite.
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We've done this before, I think. Anyway, I'll give you my choice...John Inglis, absolute rubbish.
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Bernie Gallagher was pretty poor.
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Gary Penrice,Carl Tiler more recently I'd say Sylla & Grant Holt
Always thought Weimann did ok & scored a few decent goals
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It's all about opinions and for Weiman who I thought would have been ok if he been played in his right position I give you CNZ. I then add Isaiah Osbourne and raise you Ivor Linton and Mark Blake.
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Nigel Callaghan is the one I thought of before reading the thread,
David Hunt I don't recall being much use.
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Bosky Balaban. I feared the worst when he came on as a sub in the home game v Man U in 2001 and was through v the keeper one on one and just looked bemused. I don't think he even got a shot away. A couple of weeks later away at Southampton he was similarly inept and I knew he was awful.
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That prat of a goalkeeper with the tracksuit bottoms.
Even as an emergency loan, we could have surely done better.
Dean Spink and Dave Farrell were both comfortably out of their depth anywhere near first team selection too.
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Tonev
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The fu**ers who never bothered turning up on May 30th at Wembley.
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That prat of a goalkeeper with the tracksuit bottoms.
Even as an emergency loan, we could have surely done better.
Dean Spink and Dave Farrell were both comfortably out of their depth anywhere near first team selection too.
I can always remember when Kiraly was in goal & Scholes scored that screamer at VP & the bloke next to me stood up blaming him as it went in the middle of the goal - poor chap
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Gary Penrice,Carl Tiler more recently I'd say Sylla & Grant Holt
Always thought Weimann did ok & scored a few decent goals
I remember Tiler making his debut against Man U I think at OT. Always remember him playing well. Don't remember much else about him.
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SEEN MANY GOOD CENTRAL DEFENDERS OVER THE YEARS.MELLBERG,ETC.BEST BY FAR PAUL MC.GRATH KNACKERED KNEES.BUT COULD HE READ A GAME.ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME.HOPE WE CAN FIND ANOTHER ONE DEFINETELY WEAK POSITION.
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SEEN MANY GOOD CENTRAL DEFENDERS OVER THE YEARS.MELLBERG,ETC.BEST BY FAR PAUL MC.GRATH KNACKERED KNEES.BUT COULD HE READ A GAME.ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME.HOPE WE CAN FIND ANOTHER ONE DEFINETELY WEAK POSITION.
How do you even manage to write in that style? Amazing.
As for players-Heskey and Kinsella for me.
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SEEN MANY GOOD CENTRAL DEFENDERS OVER THE YEARS.MELLBERG,ETC.BEST BY FAR PAUL MC.GRATH KNACKERED KNEES.BUT COULD HE READ A GAME.ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME.HOPE WE CAN FIND ANOTHER ONE DEFINETELY WEAK POSITION.
How do you even manage to write in that style? Amazing.
As for players-Heskey and Kinsella for me.
Don't really know what's happening with my writing either...
I also thought,barring his debut against Southampton,and a match against Blues where Sorensen first started being crap, Carlton Cole was pretty rubbish.
Other crap players include Schmeichal, Bakke, NZogbia and Luna
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SEEN MANY GOOD CENTRAL DEFENDERS OVER THE YEARS.MELLBERG,ETC.BEST BY FAR PAUL MC.GRATH KNACKERED KNEES.BUT COULD HE READ A GAME.ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME.HOPE WE CAN FIND ANOTHER ONE DEFINETELY WEAK POSITION.
Welcome IBEECH, try not to use capital letters as it will upset people; also, your words of wisdom don't really answer the question.
I'll go for Bosko or DJDJ.[/list]
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For me Andreas is nowhere near the bottom 50 worst players. Buster Craddock wins the Palme de Merde by a nose from the microscopic Herbie Smith. Hard on their tails are Billy Goffin, Nigel Callaghan, Simon Stainrod, Warren Aspinall, Useless Ulises DLC, Didier Agathe, Gary Penrice, David Norton, Bosko Balaban, Dean Spink, the Djemba twins, Steve Sims, Tony Moon, Tonev - to name just a few.
I would like to add an honourable mention for Neil Rioch who might have been nowhere near as talented as his brother but who has worked tirelessly for the club since his playing days and who is a thoroughly good bloke.
PS Stobart (first name forgotton) was very very poor also.
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PS Stobart (first name forgotton) was very very poor also.
Barry Stobart would be on my list along with Bobby Park of about the same era. Although whole hearted but I always thought Dave Poutney was a dreadful footballer. Of a later generation, Kinsella, Tonev are the first that come to mind.
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Carl Tiler was ok... just average. Injured on his debut and out for a year, he did ok when he came in though he was in a defence alongside Staunton, Ehiogu and Southgate. He wasn't as bad as some of the names mentioned. Good goal vs Forest.
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Ormondroyd, I felt sorry for him every time he touched the ball, so bad he inspired pity and scorn in equal measure. He did try though, bless him.
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Ormondroyd, I felt sorry for him every time he touched the ball, so bad he inspired pity and scorn in equal measure. He did try though, bless him.
He was also a regular in a team that finished runners-up in the league so he can't have been that bad, but what's that compared to the chance of a cheap joke?
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I would definitely say Nigel Callaghan, the only player I have seen booed off in a reserves match. He seemed to have some talent I guess, but his mind was elsewhere.
In defence of Dean Spink mentioned on this thread, I saw him play quite a few times in reserves and pre-season and I honestly thought he would make the grade. Not a pretty footballer but then neither was Steve Bull.
I also thought Ulises De La Cruze had more than his fair share of blame for team performances when he was not at fault but there we go.
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Carl Tiler injured himself attempting a header about six inches off the ground as I remember. Scored against his former side Forest on what may have been his debut earning the nickname "Johnny-on-the-Spot" from whoever was doing the commentary on MotD that night.
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Callaghan and Ormondroyd both appear in this small clip from 1989/90
UTV
the Doc
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Emile Heskey has to be among them. Terrible signing. So bad it was embarrassing. We were a laughing stock for playing him.
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Ormondroyd, I felt sorry for him every time he touched the ball, so bad he inspired pity and scorn in equal measure. He did try though, bless him.
He was also a regular in a team that finished runners-up in the league so he can't have been that bad, but what's that compared to the chance of a cheap joke?
With a transfer fee of £650,000, Ormy certainly wasn't cheap, but he was a bit of a joke
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Ormondroyd, I felt sorry for him every time he touched the ball, so bad he inspired pity and scorn in equal measure. He did try though, bless him.
He was also a regular in a team that finished runners-up in the league so he can't have been that bad, but what's that compared to the chance of a cheap joke?
With a transfer fee of £650,000, Ormy certainly wasn't cheap, but he was a bit of a joke
I think I'll take Graham Taylor's opinion over yours.
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Ormondroyd, I felt sorry for him every time he touched the ball, so bad he inspired pity and scorn in equal measure. He did try though, bless him.
He was also a regular in a team that finished runners-up in the league so he can't have been that bad, but what's that compared to the chance of a cheap joke?
With a transfer fee of £650,000, Ormy certainly wasn't cheap, but he was a bit of a joke
I thinki I'll take Graham Taylor's opinion over yours.
Tony Daley, Carlton Palmer, Geoff Thomas, etc. yes there's much to be said for Graham Taylor's opinion isn't there?
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Ormondroyd, I felt sorry for him every time he touched the ball, so bad he inspired pity and scorn in equal measure. He did try though, bless him.
He was also a regular in a team that finished runners-up in the league so he can't have been that bad, but what's that compared to the chance of a cheap joke?
With a transfer fee of £650,000, Ormy certainly wasn't cheap, but he was a bit of a joke
I thinki I'll take Graham Taylor's opinion over yours.
Tony Daley, Carlton Palmer, Geoff Thomas, etc. yes there's much to be said for Graham Taylor's opinion isn't there?
Yes, as any Villa supporter would know.
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Ormondroyd, I felt sorry for him every time he touched the ball, so bad he inspired pity and scorn in equal measure. He did try though, bless him.
He was also a regular in a team that finished runners-up in the league so he can't have been that bad, but what's that compared to the chance of a cheap joke?
With a transfer fee of £650,000, Ormy certainly wasn't cheap, but he was a bit of a joke
I thinki I'll take Graham Taylor's opinion over yours.
Tony Daley, Carlton Palmer, Geoff Thomas, etc. yes there's much to be said for Graham Taylor's opinion isn't there?
Yes, as any Villa supporter would know.
Steve Sims, Nigel Callaghan, Tony Cascarino...
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Callaghan and Ormondroyd both appear in this small clip from 1989/90
UTV
the Doc
Or you could choose this one.
Bloody good job the net at WHL was in good order that night, otherwise that shot would have taken my head off.
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Ormondroyd, I felt sorry for him every time he touched the ball, so bad he inspired pity and scorn in equal measure. He did try though, bless him.
He was also a regular in a team that finished runners-up in the league so he can't have been that bad, but what's that compared to the chance of a cheap joke?
With a transfer fee of £650,000, Ormy certainly wasn't cheap, but he was a bit of a joke
I thinki I'll take Graham Taylor's opinion over yours.
Tony Daley, Carlton Palmer, Geoff Thomas, etc. yes there's much to be said for Graham Taylor's opinion isn't there?
Yes, as any Villa supporter would know.
Steve Sims, Nigel Callaghan, Tony Cascarino...
Dwight Yorke, Paul McGrath, David Platt, Kent Nielsen.....
Callaghan had been brilliant at Watfford him and if you want to put Tony Daley on the shit list, I'd suggest you take up stamp collecting. The pace of movement might better suit your observational powers.
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Ormondroyd, I felt sorry for him every time he touched the ball, so bad he inspired pity and scorn in equal measure. He did try though, bless him.
He was also a regular in a team that finished runners-up in the league so he can't have been that bad, but what's that compared to the chance of a cheap joke?
With a transfer fee of £650,000, Ormy certainly wasn't cheap, but he was a bit of a joke
I thinki I'll take Graham Taylor's opinion over yours.
Tony Daley, Carlton Palmer, Geoff Thomas, etc. yes there's much to be said for Graham Taylor's opinion isn't there?
Yes, as any Villa supporter would know.
Steve Sims, Nigel Callaghan, Tony Cascarino...
Dwight Yorke, Paul McGrath, David Platt, Kent Nielsen.....
Callaghan had been brilliant at Watfford him and if you want to put Tony Daley on the shit list, I'd suggest you take up stamp collecting. The pace of movement might better suit your observational powers.
Do I not like that!
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Any Villa fan having a pop at Graham Taylor needs to have a word with themselves.
I smell stripes.
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Callaghan and Ormondroyd both appear in this small clip from 1989/90
UTV
the Doc
Or you could choose this one.
Bloody good job the net at WHL was in good order that night, otherwise that shot would have taken my head off.
yeah totally forgot about that one....nice one Villa in Denmark
UTV
The Doc
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Ormondroyd, I felt sorry for him every time he touched the ball, so bad he inspired pity and scorn in equal measure. He did try though, bless him.
He was also a regular in a team that finished runners-up in the league so he can't have been that bad, but what's that compared to the chance of a cheap joke?
With a transfer fee of £650,000, Ormy certainly wasn't cheap, but he was a bit of a joke
I thinki I'll take Graham Taylor's opinion over yours.
Tony Daley, Carlton Palmer, Geoff Thomas, etc. yes there's much to be said for Graham Taylor's opinion isn't there?
Tony Daley was fuckin ace, and the season we finished runner up and Ormandroyd played out on the wing he was excellent. Anyone who says different either wasn't around in those days and/or is talking out of their rear end.
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Ormondroyd, I felt sorry for him every time he touched the ball, so bad he inspired pity and scorn in equal measure. He did try though, bless him.
He was also a regular in a team that finished runners-up in the league so he can't have been that bad, but what's that compared to the chance of a cheap joke?
He was pretty bad and arguably had we spent £650k on someone better we might have won the league
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Ormondroyd, I felt sorry for him every time he touched the ball, so bad he inspired pity and scorn in equal measure. He did try though, bless him.
He was also a regular in a team that finished runners-up in the league so he can't have been that bad, but what's that compared to the chance of a cheap joke?
He was pretty bad and arguably had we spent £650k on someone better we might have won the league
He was not bad at all. He was a perfectly decent player in a good team.
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He wasn't bad. Awkward looking, especially for a winger, but that was all. If you're going to point fingers at anyone in that team, Cascarino was worse. If you wanna talk about buys, talk about buying the wrong player from Millwall.
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Mrs S has maintained for years that I am odd. I guess she has a point because, I actually liked Ormondroyd and didn't think him a bad player at all.
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Steve Stone did my box in, thought he was shite !
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I didn't like Bernie Gallagher either. I seem to remember him appearing on the team sheet at Oldham away in the cup on the plastic pitch.
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Richard Walker.
He always looked like he'd been on the pitch as a mascot and forgot to get off before the game started.
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Brian, I am surprised to see Stainrod on your list. I never got the impression he wanted to be here but IIRC in 1985-6 his goals kept us up. He wasn't a club legend but hardly the worst I have ever seen either.
I like the idea of an official Palme de Merde by the way. The opposite of the Terrace Trophy.
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Ormondroyd, I felt sorry for him every time he touched the ball, so bad he inspired pity and scorn in equal measure. He did try though, bless him.
He was also a regular in a team that finished runners-up in the league so he can't have been that bad, but what's that compared to the chance of a cheap joke?
He was pretty bad and arguably had we spent £650k on someone better we might have won the league
He was not bad at all. He was a perfectly decent player in a good team.
He was pretty damn poor when he first arrived and played up front. Taylor played a masterstroke by moving him out to the wing. You wouldn't believe it was the same player.
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Worst ever Villa player? None of them whilst they are wearing the shirt. Delph, Hodge and Downing for me.
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Sir Graham Taylor (Mk. I) turned us around.
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If we run out of ideas with this fascinating topic perhaps we can go all anoraky and say who we think was the Villa player who gave Villa the least of the talent he undoubtedly had. My vote would go to Milan Baros.
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If we run out of ideas with this fascinating topic perhaps we can go all anoraky and say who we think was the Villa player who gave Villa the least of the talent he undoubtedly had. My vote would go to Milan Baros.
So many to choose from.
I'll see your Baros and raise you with a Collymore.
(Curcic first reserve.)
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Perhaps you could start your own thread then, Brian? Dalian Atkinson.
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Bosky Balaban. I feared the worst when he came on as a sub in the home game v Man U in 2001 and was through v the keeper one on one and just looked bemused. I don't think he even got a shot away. A couple of weeks later away at Southampton he was similarly inept and I knew he was awful.
I started going to VP in 66, so I have a seen a few, but Bosco takes the bastard biscuit.
I shall always remember Doug being interviewed before a televised game in London during the well publicised spat wit JG. "The manager is being economical with the truth. Balapan (sic) is sitting in the stands and I paid 6 million pounds for him".
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If we run out of ideas with this fascinating topic perhaps we can go all anoraky and say who we think was the Villa player who gave Villa the least of the talent he undoubtedly had. My vote would go to Milan Baros.
Ginola
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It's bad luck to say Ginola without saying Pires.
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I think there is a difference between someone who just lacks natural talent, to someone who is gifted but is just pathetic. Baros is definitely the latter, so much talent but just couldn't be arsed.
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Tonev
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If we are using contribution versus money paid as a barometer - Tommy Craig (I may have mentioned that before somewhere though).
As for least ability compared to peers and lack of effort - anyone of a number from 1986/87. Other than them Gabor Kiraly.
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If we are using contribution versus money paid as a barometer - Tommy Craig (I may have mentioned that before somewhere though).
As for least ability compared to peers and lack of effort - anyone of a number from 1986/87. Other than them Gabor Kiraly.
Unlike Bosko and a few other mentioned above, Tommy Craig did actually score a 30 yard piledriver in a home draw v Everton shortly after he joined.
Other than that, I cannot recall anything he did for us. I cant even remember who he joined.
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Another vote for Tonev.
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If we run out of ideas with this fascinating topic perhaps we can go all anoraky and say who we think was the Villa player who gave Villa the least of the talent he undoubtedly had. My vote would go to Milan Baros.
Nii Lamptey
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If we run out of ideas with this fascinating topic perhaps we can go all anoraky and say who we think was the Villa player who gave Villa the least of the talent he undoubtedly had. My vote would go to Milan Baros.
Nii Lamptey
Stephen Ireland
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Perhaps you could start your own thread then, Brian? Dalian Atkinson.
Harsh.
Inconsistent yes, but he gave us many glimpes of his wonderful talent, and probably him and Bossie on their own won us the league cup in n 94.
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Exactly. He gave us glimpses but never really achieved his full, true potential.
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If we run out of ideas with this fascinating topic perhaps we can go all anoraky and say who we think was the Villa player who gave Villa the least of the talent he undoubtedly had. My vote would go to Milan Baros.
Nii Lamptey
Stephen Ireland
Sasa Curcic or Willie Hamilton
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Tony Cascarino.
Bad signing made at the worst possible time. We seemed to lose all momentum in our 89/90 season after signing that lump.
He still aggravates me now, especially when he pontificates about the Villa, as though he's some fucking legend.
If only we'd signed Sheringham instead...
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If we are using contribution versus money paid as a barometer - Tommy Craig (I may have mentioned that before somewhere though).
As for least ability compared to peers and lack of effort - anyone of a number from 1986/87. Other than them Gabor Kiraly.
Unlike Bosko and a few other mentioned above, Tommy Craig did actually score a 30 yard piledriver in a home draw v Everton shortly after he joined.
Other than that, I cannot recall anything he did for us. I cant even remember who he joined.
I think Craig went to Swansea. He was the first Villa player I didn't like - I think I expected much more from an expensive signing - even as a 7 year old!
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So many to choose from but in recent times the likes of Tonev, Sylla and Holman are amongst the worst I have seen...
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Did Carlton Palmer ever rock up in the end?!
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Did Carlton Palmer ever rock up in the end?!
Ssssshhhh. Not even in jest.
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Did Carlton Palmer ever rock up in the end?!
Ssssshhhh. Not even in jest.
Fear not, he is a PE teacher in Shanghai now.
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My worst XI
Tommy Hughes: Neil Rioch, Paul Elliot, Steve Foster, David Hunt: Nigel Callaghan, Bobby Park, Oscar Arce, Freddie Mwila, John Inglis, John Fashanu.
Subs: Brian Tiler, Bernie Gallagher, Neale Cooper, Malcolm Allen, Tony Betts.
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When it comes to worst XIs I'm always stuck between "He can't have been that bad if he played in the Premier League" (Balaban, Tonev) and sympathy for third division players who couldn't help being the best we could get at the time.
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My worst XI
Tommy Hughes: Neil Rioch, Paul Elliot, Steve Foster, David Hunt: Nigel Callaghan, Bobby Park, Oscar Arce, Freddie Mwila, John Inglis, John Fashanu.
Subs: Brian Tiler, Bernie Gallagher, Neale Cooper, Malcolm Allen, Tony Betts.
Brian Tiler was first rate. Never forgotten that header against Cardiff on Boxing Day in the snow.
John Inglis was, as the more mature posters will confirm the worst player who ever pulled the claret and light blue shirt on. Absolutely dreadful on all levels. Oscar Arce ,as you well know, never played a first team game.
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No Grant Holt in there?
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If Freddie Mwila is in that team what about his team mate Ement Kapenwange . sorry about the spelling, to lazy too look it up.
If I reflect on the names on this post, I would agree with most of them (except for Brian Tiler) but then I had this horrible thought that said, if You took 70% of our players in the last 10 years and put them in a Utd team and then asked the Utd fans the same question, I guess that most of them would feature on their
list.
Despite them having had their own crap.
How can Liverpool have in essence a new team every year, with last years big spend dross disappearing ?
Rant time over, but apart from O'Neil's foray, we have never played the game.
Where will it all end ?
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John Fashanu
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John Fashanu
My only memory of Fashanu is getting sent off for a challenge on Giggs "up there" whilst lying on a stretcher, with what was to prove to be a career ending (knee?) injury.
I can't remember a single positive contribution on the pitch.
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My worst XI
Tommy Hughes: Neil Rioch, Paul Elliot, Steve Foster, David Hunt: Nigel Callaghan, Bobby Park, Oscar Arce, Freddie Mwila, John Inglis, John Fashanu.
Subs: Brian Tiler, Bernie Gallagher, Neale Cooper, Malcolm Allen, Tony Betts.
Brian Tiler was first rate. Never forgotten that header against Cardiff on Boxing Day in the snow.
John Inglis was, as the more mature posters will confirm the worst player who ever pulled the claret and light blue shirt on. Absolutely dreadful on all levels. Oscar Arce ,as you well know, never played a first team game.
Yes I was there for his header on a snow covered pitch against Cardiff.
And of course, some of the players who we used in our nadir were not good enough for Aston Villa, but it's all about opinions and all I remember Tiler being booed mercilessly at Villa Park. Misplaced passes were his speciality (look at the League Cup Final versus Spurs video) although he had good leadership qualities that we needed surviving that first season under the Doc.
Yes I know Oscar never played a first team game apart from friendlies, but I couldn't resist including him!
Fashanu, I agree, was just awful, as a player and a person, as shown in BT Sport's recent Wimbledon documentary. Not Big Ron's finest moment.
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Brian Tiler RIP. I was at that Cardiff game and really thought we'd got ourselves a good 'un. It didn't work out that way unfortunately. A trier, always gave his best ;which sadly wasn't good enough. His finest hour IMO came in a league match against Bristol Rovers at Eastville, we won 1-0 IIRC and Tiler was immense that day. He played with a Terry Butcher type gash in his head for a lot of the game and never shirked.
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My recollection of Tiler (I was a nipper when he played for us) was that he was a trier - a la Brian Godfrey.
Luckily I lived in France when we signed Fashanu, but I did have the pleasure of seeing him perform like a donkey in a 1-0 defeat at W Ham in 1994. The away end was being redeveloped so I had to sit in the stand on Green St among those delightful Eastenders. I think he did score a handful of goals for us, but I have no idea if any of them were important.
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Was Kinsella captain of us? If so he has to be our worst ever captain. Spent 90 minutes pointing and doing absolutely nothing.
I did like the bloke who sat behind us at Villa Park saying of the much maligned Harewood: "Bloody hell Marlon, you can trap a ball further than I can kick it".
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Was Kinsella captain of us? If so he has to be our worst ever captain. Spent 90 minutes pointing and doing absolutely nothing.
I did like the bloke who sat behind us at Villa Park saying of the much maligned Harewood: "Bloody hell Marlon, you can trap a ball further than I can kick it".
Are you sure you're not thinking of Reo-Coker? ;)
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Was Kinsella captain of us? If so he has to be our worst ever captain. Spent 90 minutes pointing and doing absolutely nothing.
I did like the bloke who sat behind us at Villa Park saying of the much maligned Harewood: "Bloody hell Marlon, you can trap a ball further than I can kick it".
IIRC when we signed Kinsella we were also after Matt Holland.These 2 were the nucleus of the ROI midfield. Holland turned us down. It was akin to trying to buy Wham! and ending up with Ridgeley but not Michael.
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Salifou? Good song, crap player...
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Was Kinsella captain of us? If so he has to be our worst ever captain. Spent 90 minutes pointing and doing absolutely nothing.
I did like the bloke who sat behind us at Villa Park saying of the much maligned Harewood: "Bloody hell Marlon, you can trap a ball further than I can kick it".
IIRC when we signed Kinsella we were also after Matt Holland.These 2 were the nucleus of the ROI midfield. Holland turned us down. It was akin to trying to buy Wham! and ending up with Ridgeley but not Michael.
Or as mentioned elsewhere in the thread, Cascarino instead of Sherinhgham.
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Maybe I just didnt like him but thought Paul Elliott was crap in a Villa shirt.
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Maybe I just didnt like him but thought Paul Elliott was crap in a Villa shirt.
I agree. We flogged Steve Foster to Luton and then paid about five times what we got for him to bring in the bloke he was keeping out of their side.
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Kiraly grayson scimeca cuellar Gallagher sylla blake p.mortimer callaghan cascarino weimann. A fine 11!!!!
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surprised on one has mentioned Unsworth!
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Mark Lillis for me. Out of his depth in Division 2. Signed as a striker and stuck in midfield to run around and make a nuisance of himself.
Tonev. Also utterly fucking useless. His performance against Sheffield United in the Cup was probably the worst I have ever seen by a Villa player. And bearing in mind that a total shot Weiman (confidence wise) was on the pitch that day it was a monumentous achievement.
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Has Luna been mentioned yet? Honestly can't remember anyone worse.
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John Inglis was, as the more mature posters will confirm the worst player who ever pulled the claret and light blue shirt on. Absolutely dreadful on all levels. Oscar Arce ,as you well know, never played a first team game.
Can you tell me more about John Inglis? Seems he only played for us twice, what position did he masquerade in and what was so awful about him?
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David Hunt
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The 84 to 87 team had a whole pile of them Norton, Glover, Kerr, Sims, Aspinall, Gallagher, Lillis, Allen. To a man, all crap.
One of the reasons that im not going overboard about Amavi is that Luna looked eberyw bit as good as him in his first couple of games.
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John Inglis was, as the more mature posters will confirm the worst player who ever pulled the claret and light blue shirt on. Absolutely dreadful on all levels. Oscar Arce ,as you well know, never played a first team game.
Can you tell me more about John Inglis? Seems he only played for us twice, what position did he masquerade in and what was so awful about him?
The very fact that he only played twice for us tells you all you need to know. It also speaks volumes that he was that bad, that I thought he'd made more appearances than that, he's indelibly etched in my memory.
Do you remember that bloke that got on for Southampton when Souness was manager. Claimed he was a cousin of George Weah? He was worse than that. Ball control, zilch, positional awareness, zilch, taking goal scoring opportunities, zilch. Absolutely dire. I believe he was a relative of a member of the coaching staff of the time. He should never have been within an exclusion zone of ten miles of Villa Park, let alone play for the club. I was a fairly regular watcher of the reserves at the time and he was equally as shit for them. An awful player.
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John Inglis was, as the more mature posters will confirm the worst player who ever pulled the claret and light blue shirt on. Absolutely dreadful on all levels. Oscar Arce ,as you well know, never played a first team game.
Can you tell me more about John Inglis? Seems he only played for us twice, what position did he masquerade in and what was so awful about him?
The very fact that he only played twice for us tells you all you need to know. It also speaks volumes that he was that bad, that I thought he'd made more appearances than that, he's indelibly etched in my memory.
Do you remember that bloke that got on for Southampton when Souness was manager. Claimed he was a cousin of George Weah? He was worse than that. Ball control, zilch, positional awareness, zilch, taking goal scoring opportunities, zilch. Absolutely dire. I believe he was a relative of a member of the coaching staff of the time. He should never have been within an exclusion zone of ten miles of Villa Park, let alone play for the club. I was a fairly regular watcher of the reserves at the time and he was equally as shit for them. An awful player.
So true Dave. Compounded by the fact that, in those pre Internet, poor global communication days, Arce had been marketed to us as some sort of exotic South American George Best! Which leads us on to the Kapengwe (?) brothers! ;)
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De La Cruz, Kinsella, Fashuna. All rotten
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Anyone mentioned Gary Penrice yet?
Some female friends met him once and he was attempting to chat them up but they had no idea who he was until he proclaimed in a broad west country accent "I'm a million pound footballer I am"
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Simon Dawkins.
Utterly awful, and even ran like a ******.
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Warren Aspinal hasn't been mentioned yet has he?
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John Inglis was, as the more mature posters will confirm the worst player who ever pulled the claret and light blue shirt on. Absolutely dreadful on all levels. Oscar Arce ,as you well know, never played a first team game.
Can you tell me more about John Inglis? Seems he only played for us twice, what position did he masquerade in and what was so awful about him?
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The very fact that he only played twice for us tells you all you need to know. It also speaks volumes that he was that bad, that I thought he'd made more appearances than that, he's indelibly etched in my memory.
Do you remember that bloke that got on for Southampton when Souness was manager. Claimed he was a cousin of George Weah? He was worse than that. Ball control, zilch, positional awareness, zilch, taking goal scoring opportunities, zilch. Absolutely dire. I believe he was a relative of a member of the coaching staff of the time. He should never have been within an exclusion zone of ten miles of Villa Park, let alone play for the club. I was a fairly regular watcher of the reserves at the time and he was equally as shit for them. An awful player.
So true Dave. Compounded by the fact that, in those pre Internet, poor global communication days, Arce had been marketed to us as some sort of exotic South American George Best! Which leads us on to the Kapengwe (?) brothers! ;)
I liked Emment Kapengwe who was an attacking right winger. I remember a midweek game under the floodlights ( it persisted down)
when he had a particularly good performance. The other lad Freddie Mwilla didn't have much however and The Doc got rid of both
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Mine;
- Peter Schmeichel - truly dreadful for me at Villa, best contribution was either his goal or watching him left a trophy that was smaller than his gloves. Never forget the goal he conceded in front of the Holte vs Ipswich I think, took about half hour to dive on a tame shot
- GINOLA!!! - biggest let down in a Villa shit, loved watching hiom play before he joined, didn't lift a finger for us
- Stephen 'feckin' Ireland - see Ginola - pound note leech!
- Gustavo Bartelt - saw him play a couple of reserve / friendly games - dreadful
- Marlon Harewood - remember at the start of that summer saying the only players I didn't want Quitty O'Bollock to sign were Harewood & Zat - bad summer!!
- Bash the Fash - think Big Ron would have been better bringing the clap back from his summer holidays than Fash
- Leandro Bacuna - have a thing about professional footballers being unable to get their head up when they have the ball the their feet, for me we wont have made genuine progress until he is nowhere near the squad, its not NFL and we don't have 'special teams' for set pieces.
- Blancmange Ron - centre backs and captains should be tough and a presence, the only times I've seen those from Ron were the World Cup
The podium would be;
1. Ginola
2. Schmeichel
3. Ireland
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Tonev. No contest.
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Tommy Craig was my first worst
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I think Sylla has been mentioned but has Makoun ?
Like Sanchez on a bad day
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Warren Aspinal hasn't been mentioned yet has he?
It was a mistake to buy a kid to try to score the goals to keep us up but I thought he did well in our promotion season. I remember him scoring a couple at West Brom, a couple at Leeds and a crucial (late I think) winner against Shrewsbury at Villa Park when it was what old whisky face would have called squeaky bum time.
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John Inglis. You're not fit to wear the badge.
(http://c8.alamy.com/comp/D413FN/john-inglis-aston-villa-fc-footballer-1967-D413FN.jpg)
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I was going to post that EIA but, it brought back too many horrible memories.
*shudders*
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John Inglis. You're not fit to wear the badge.
(http://c8.alamy.com/comp/D413FN/john-inglis-aston-villa-fc-footballer-1967-D413FN.jpg)
He's got that sneer that says 'yeah i know i'm crap but I'm playing for the Villa and you're not, what you gonna do about it?'
Be comforted that we didn't pay him enough to get a decent haircut.
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Tommy Craig was my first worst
Tommy Craig was a talented midfielder........unfortunately not for us!
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So many poor ones especially in the decline and fall of the 60s. One contender has to be Tony Scott, a winger bought from West Ham in 1965. No matter how bad the pitch and weather conditions were he managed to come off at the end with his kit in a pristine state and not a hair out of place!
Dick Edwards was another one who did not like getting stuck in to the opposition, at least until Docherty arrived. Dave Pountney was a defender of limited ability - he had a habit, if he was caught out of position, of catching the ball if it was sailing over his head!
I don't recall Bobby Park being that bad and he certainly had some skill. We have to remember the context and times they played in. On one occasion, before substitutes were allowed, he broke a collar bone but played on with the affected arm strapped up in a sling.
Warren Aspinall has been mentioned more than once. He scored twice in a 2-0 win over the Tesco bags at their place in September 1986. Any player who helps put that lot in their place deserves some credit in my book.
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Warren Aspinall has been mentioned more than once. He scored twice in a 2-0 win over the Tesco bags at their place in September 1986. Any player who helps put that lot in their place deserves some credit in my book
He didn't join us until 1987 did he?
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Warren Aspinall has been mentioned more than once. He scored twice in a 2-0 win over the Tesco bags at their place in September 1986. Any player who helps put that lot in their place deserves some credit in my book
He didn't join us until 1987 did he?
It was Sept 87 when Aspinall got 2 at the Baggies, he was signed by McNeil the previous February
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Yes it was in 1987.
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Warren Aspinall has been mentioned more than once. He scored twice in a 2-0 win over the Tesco bags at their place in September 1986. Any player who helps put that lot in their place deserves some credit in my book
He didn't join us until 1987 did he?
It was Sept 87 when Aspinall got 2 at the Baggies, he was signed by McNeil the previous February
And with respect to Mr Aspinall, if I were up against George Reilly that night I'd have scored 2 also.
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Talent wise - Bernie Gallagher.
Over rated and annoyance wise - Stephen Ireland.
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Some people have mentioned Kapengwe ands Mwila.
They both were star performers in Villa's North American Tour of 1969 playing for Atlanta Chiefs, and on the strength of that, when Villa were struggling and adrift at the foot of the table, Docherty brought them over as a desperate measure.
They were both Zambian internationals, Kapengwe was a bull of a man, very strong and direct, and played in the 1-0 win over Carlilse at Villa Park, and in the next game against Blackpool, a 0-0 draw, they both played but Mwila looked completely out of his depth.
I seem to remember it was hammering down with rain and skill was not required, more brute force.
Felt a bit sorry for them both, Kapengwe was tryer but Mwila was struggling to even make the reserve team and they both went back to the States.
Oscar Arce was a product of the day, an exotic South American ball-juggling maestro who literally turned up at Villa Park one day and asked for a trial. The reality was he was without a club after being released in his native Argentina, and married a Scottish girl and was running an antique shop in Dundee!
He claimed to be an Argentinian international but no records ever backed that up, Villa's success-starved officials simply believed all this bullshit and good old Oscar found himself as a professional footballer and adulation that was entirely unworthy of his skills!
He got sent off (or replaced to stop him being sent off) when Bedford's finest kicked him a few too may times and he reacted by spitting at them in a pre season friendly, then broke his leg in a reserve game at Coventry, and Oscar was never to be seen again.
His brother was actually a better player, who played a few games as an amatuer.
Along with Ivo Stas, he's probably the most unknown Villa player, but the worst I'm not sure, it's a close one.
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Tony Scott either scored the first goal or supplied the cross for whoever scored it in that epic Third Division home game against Bournemouth where the crowd was 48,000, IIRC.
Dave Poutney I've mentioned on here before as being somewhat poor. What I also remember about him was that he had legs the colour of milk bottles.
I never though Dick Edwards lacked courage, finesse yes, but not courage. A nice man, I met him once in Sutton Park. Not long after that, we played Bury away and the ball went out for a throw by where we were standing. Dick came over to collect the ball and take the throw and he recognised me and gave me a wink. I was on cloud nine.
Bobby Park was Marmite. You either did or you didn't. I was in the didn't camp. He was definitely a trier so he should be remembered and commended for that. I remember that match where he broke his collar bone but, can't remember the opposition.
Two more that can be added to the list: Dave Roberts, a winger with no courage at all, he seemed to be frightened of the ball let alone opponents.
I think this bloke's name was Grahame Parker, Parker was definitely correct. A wing half/midfielder, played in the same era as Bobby Park. A headless chicken.
Oscar. I was at that Bedford match pre-season friendly. I've posted previously that that was as low as it ever got for me. No matter what has happened since, being beaten by a fucking pub team when we had a near full strength team out was both demoralising and disgraceful.
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Warren Aspinall has been mentioned more than once. He scored twice in a 2-0 win over the Tesco bags at their place in September 1986. Any player who helps put that lot in their place deserves some credit in my book
He didn't join us until 1987 did he?
It was Sept 87 when Aspinall got 2 at the Baggies, he was signed by McNeil the previous February
And with respect to Mr Aspinall, if I were up against George Reilly that night I'd have scored 2 also.
Warren Aspinall has been mentioned more than once. He scored twice in a 2-0 win over the Tesco bags at their place in September 1986. Any player who helps put that lot in their place deserves some credit in my book
He didn't join us until 1987 did he?
It was Sept 87 when Aspinall got 2 at the Baggies, he was signed by McNeil the previous February
And with respect to Mr Aspinall, if I were up against George Reilly that night I'd have scored 2 also.
I am certain George Reilly was a striker cum centre forward. So why would he be marking Aspinall? Looked on 11v11 which gives the Villa team but not WBAs.
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Reilly was a centre forward - played under Taylor at Watford, scored the winning goal in their cup semi final at Villa Park. Against Plymouth?
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Tony Scott either scored the first goal or supplied the cross for whoever scored it in that epic Third Division home game against Bournemouth where the crowd was 48,000, IIRC.
Tony Scott in the No.11 shirt, Ted McDougalls diving header.
https://youtu.be/DUBREZlitK0
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So many poor ones especially in the decline and fall of the 60s. One contender has to be Tony Scott, a winger bought from West Ham in 1965. No matter how bad the pitch and weather conditions were he managed to come off at the end with his kit in a pristine state and not a hair out of place!
Dick Edwards was another one who did not like getting stuck in to the opposition, at least until Docherty arrived. Dave Pountney was a defender of limited ability - he had a habit, if he was caught out of position, of catching the ball if it was sailing over his head!
I don't recall Bobby Park being that bad and he certainly had some skill. We have to remember the context and times they played in. On one occasion, before substitutes were allowed, he broke a collar bone but played on with the affected arm strapped up in a sling.
Warren Aspinall has been mentioned more than once. He scored twice in a 2-0 win over the Tesco bags at their place in September 1986. Any player who helps put that lot in their place deserves some credit in my book.
Your memory must be failing Nelson. Dave Pountney was a wing half! Probably Slogger and Lew Chatterley were the central defenders. Bobby Park had one very good game but was generally useless.
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Tony Scott either scored the first goal or supplied the cross for whoever scored it in that epic Third Division home game against Bournemouth where the crowd was 48,000, IIRC.
Dave Poutney I've mentioned on here before as being somewhat poor. What I also remember about him was that he had legs the colour of milk bottles.
I never though Dick Edwards lacked courage, finesse yes, but not courage. A nice man, I met him once in Sutton Park. Not long after that, we played Bury away and the ball went out for a throw by where we were standing. Dick came over to collect the ball and take the throw and he recognised me and gave me a wink. I was on cloud nine.
Bobby Park was Marmite. You either did or you didn't. I was in the didn't camp. He was definitely a trier so he should be remembered and commended for that. I remember that match where he broke his collar bone but, can't remember the opposition.
Two more that can be added to the list: Dave Roberts, a winger with no courage at all, he seemed to be frightened of the ball let alone opponents.
I think this bloke's name was Grahame Parker, Parker was definitely correct. A wing half/midfielder, played in the same era as Bobby Park. A headless chicken.
Oscar. I was at that Bedford match pre-season friendly. I've posted previously that that was as low as it ever got for me. No matter what has happened since, being beaten by a fucking pub team when we had a near full strength team out was both demoralising and disgraceful.
Not often I disagree with you Dave but I liked Dave Roberts. He had skill and could beat a bloke with ease. Went on to play a great number of games for Shrewsbury when he left us. I think Dave Pountney went there as well. Ran a sports shop in Shrewsbury after he finished.I assume he has retired now.
Salopian Sports Still owned by Dave Pountney in Shrewsbury.
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I think Dave Pountney went there as well. Ran a sports shop in Shrewsbury after he finished.I assume he has retired now.
Salopian Sports Still owned by Dave Pountney in Shrewsbury.
(http://www.originalshrewsbury.co.uk/directory/image?e=313&i=1&w=1000&format=jpg)
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I think Dave Pountney went there as well. Ran a sports shop in Shrewsbury after he finished.I assume he has retired now.
Salopian Sports Still owned by Dave Pountney in Shrewsbury.
(http://www.originalshrewsbury.co.uk/directory/image?e=313&i=1&w=1000&format=jpg)
Thanks Andy I will look it up next time I'm in Shrewsbury. Wholehearted player was Dave.
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Alan Curbishley
Ray Walker
Noel Blake
Bernie Gallacher
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I think Dave Pountney went there as well. Ran a sports shop in Shrewsbury after he finished.I assume he has retired now.
Salopian Sports Still owned by Dave Pountney in Shrewsbury.
(http://www.originalshrewsbury.co.uk/directory/image?e=313&i=1&w=1000&format=jpg)
Thanks Andy I will look it up next time I'm in Shrewsbury. Wholehearted player was Dave.
Good to see he's still alive and prospering.
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David Geddis used to take pelters and i remember a two-fingered salute when he scored at Notts County i think, might have been a hat-trick actually. Whether he was that bad i can't honestly remember.
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Not often I disagree with you Dave but I liked Dave Roberts. He had skill and could beat a bloke with ease. Went on to play a great number of games for Shrewsbury when he left us.
I think one of the reasons I disliked him Ron was that he went to Marsh Hill Grammar School. Hated them we did. He was quite tall for a winger IIRC.
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David Geddis used to take pelters and i remember a two-fingered salute when he scored at Notts County i think, might have been a hat-trick actually. Whether he was that bad i can't honestly remember.
His medals would suggest not.
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Warren Aspinall has been mentioned more than once. He scored twice in a 2-0 win over the Tesco bags at their place in September 1986. Any player who helps put that lot in their place deserves some credit in my book
He didn't join us until 1987 did he?
It was Sept 87 when Aspinall got 2 at the Baggies, he was signed by McNeil the previous February
And with respect to Mr Aspinall, if I were up against George Reilly that night I'd have scored 2 also.
Warren Aspinall has been mentioned more than once. He scored twice in a 2-0 win over the Tesco bags at their place in September 1986. Any player who helps put that lot in their place deserves some credit in my book
He didn't join us until 1987 did he?
It was Sept 87 when Aspinall got 2 at the Baggies, he was signed by McNeil the previous February
And with respect to Mr Aspinall, if I were up against George Reilly that night I'd have scored 2 also.
I am certain George Reilly was a striker cum centre forward. So why would he be marking Aspinall? Looked on 11v11 which gives the Villa team but not WBAs.
BFR played Reilly at centre half that night. An experiment that was about as successful as giving pregnant women the drug thalidomide.
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David Geddis used to take pelters and i remember a two-fingered salute when he scored at Notts County i think, might have been a hat-trick actually. Whether he was that bad i can't honestly remember.
His medals would suggest not.
Funny bloke Dave Geddis.Like Geoff Vowden not many rated him but both scored goals for us at a regular rate as well if l recall.
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David Geddis used to take pelters and i remember a two-fingered salute when he scored at Notts County i think, might have been a hat-trick actually. Whether he was that bad i can't honestly remember.
His medals would suggest not.
Funny bloke Dave Geddis.Like Geoff Vowden not many rated him but both scored goals for us at a regular rate as well if l recall.
Was/is David Geddis the only one of the Championship/European Cup winning squad with an FA Cup winner's medal?
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David Geddis used to take pelters and i remember a two-fingered salute when he scored at Notts County i think, might have been a hat-trick actually. Whether he was that bad i can't honestly remember.
His medals would suggest not.
Funny bloke Dave Geddis.Like Geoff Vowden not many rated him but both scored goals for us at a regular rate as well if l recall.
Was/is David Geddis the only one of the Championship/European Cup winning squad with an FA Cup winner's medal?
He was the only player to win all three but not with the same team. It was always a good quiz question along with Jimmy Rimmer being the only player to win the European cup with two English teams.
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Warren Aspinall has been mentioned more than once. He scored twice in a 2-0 win over the Tesco bags at their place in September 1986. Any player who helps put that lot in their place deserves some credit in my book
He didn't join us until 1987 did he?
It was Sept 87 when Aspinall got 2 at the Baggies, he was signed by McNeil the previous February
And with respect to Mr Aspinall, if I were up against George Reilly that night I'd have scored 2 also.
Warren Aspinall has been mentioned more than once. He scored twice in a 2-0 win over the Tesco bags at their place in September 1986. Any player who helps put that lot in their place deserves some credit in my book
He didn't join us until 1987 did he?
It was Sept 87 when Aspinall got 2 at the Baggies, he was signed by McNeil the previous February
And with respect to Mr Aspinall, if I were up against George Reilly that night I'd have scored 2 also.
I am certain George Reilly was a striker cum centre forward. So why would he be marking Aspinall? Looked on 11v11 which gives the Villa team but not WBAs.
BFR played Reilly at centre half that night. An experiment that was about as successful as giving pregnant women the drug thalidomide.
Reilly gave he most inept performance I've ever seen fron a Centre Half that night. He made Steve Sims at the other end look like Franz Beckenbauer.
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Yes Dave Geddis did get some stick, along with Geoff Vowden but both were vital players in important periods in our club's history.
Vowden, never really accepted because of his Blues links, had the happy knack of arriving late into the box, the Frank Lampard style if you like.
Geddis just never seemed to have the ball under control, ran about like a headless chicken but again when he was hot he was hot.
Bit harsh to include either of these two in a worst player category in my opinion.
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Yes Dave Geddis did get some stick, along with Geoff Vowden but both were vital players in important periods in our club's history.
Vowden, never really accepted because of his Blues links, had the happy knack of arriving late into the box, the Frank Lampard style if you like.
Geddis just never seemed to have the ball under control, ran about like a headless chicken but again when he was hot he was hot.
Bit harsh to include either of these two in a worst player category in my opinion.
I didn't.
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SCORE AGAINST THE SHIT WHEN WE BEAT THEM 3-0 AROUND CHRISTMAS 80-81 DIDN'T HE? tWO GOALS? (Bloody caps lock). I always liked him as a kid.
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SCORE AGAINST THE SHIT WHEN WE BEAT THEM 3-0 AROUND CHRISTMAS 80-81 DIDN'T HE? tWO GOALS? (Bloody caps lock). I always liked him as a kid.
Any excuse to watch some of this game: https://youtu.be/wUGYAiXAxZ8
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SCORE AGAINST THE SHIT WHEN WE BEAT THEM 3-0 AROUND CHRISTMAS 80-81 DIDN'T HE? tWO GOALS? (Bloody caps lock). I always liked him as a kid.
Any excuse to watch some of this game: https://youtu.be/wUGYAiXAxZ8
The day after my 18th birthday and God I was hungover. Geddis did a great job that day standing in for Withe.
He also scored the winner in a 2-1 home win v Southampton later that season, I think he scored a 4th that year as well but I can't recall who that was against. Definitely not worthy of being mentioned in our worst ever player thread.
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Yes Dave Geddis did get some stick, along with Geoff Vowden but both were vital players in important periods in our club's history.
Vowden, never really accepted because of his Blues links, had the happy knack of arriving late into the box, the Frank Lampard style if you like.
Geddis just never seemed to have the ball under control, ran about like a headless chicken but again when he was hot he was hot.
Bit harsh to include either of these two in a worst player category in my opinion.
I didn't.
Neither did I.
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SCORE AGAINST THE SHIT WHEN WE BEAT THEM 3-0 AROUND CHRISTMAS 80-81 DIDN'T HE? tWO GOALS? (Bloody caps lock). I always liked him as a kid.
Any excuse to watch some of this game: https://youtu.be/wUGYAiXAxZ8
The day after my 18th birthday and God I was hungover. Geddis did a great job that day standing in for Withe.
He also scored the winner in a 2-1 home win v Southampton later that season, I think he scored a 4th that year as well but I can't recall who that was against. Definitely not worthy of being mentioned in our worst ever player thread.
In that period from 79 - 83, due to money and logistics I could only get taken to 1 or 2 games per season.
I remember going to the Southampton game gutted that Withe wouldn't be playing, but a bit excited at seeing Keegan play for them.
All I can remember is the crushing feeling when Southampton scored first and the noise / sight of the Holte going mental when the winner went in.
Kevin who?
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Gilles De Bilde was pretty bad an honourable mention should go to Grant Holt, a strange signing even by Lambert's standards.
As for wasted talent, my award goes to Wee Barry Bannan.
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Tommy Craig
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Fash
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Fash
Arrived as 'The Bash' and turned out to be gash.
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A waste of our cash.
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A waste of our cash.
This for me was when I knew that BFR had lost the plot
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A waste of our cash.
This for me was when I knew that BFR had lost the plot
Wasn't he a Deadly Doug special?
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A waste of our cash.
This for me was when I knew that BFR had lost the plot
Wasn't he a Deadly Doug special?
No I think BFR was a genuine fan. Fitted into the old/experienced profile. Fash wanted to relocate to the Midlands to do Gladiators.
It went wrong, quickly. At the very least it should have been the kick up the arse Dalian needed, it was no such thing.
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I don't remember Adrian Heath doing anything of note for us. Possibly an assist in a 1-1 draw against Charlton in 1989, but that's about it.
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Didier Agathe... a MON special?? He was about as useful as a pair of glasses on a one eared person.
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Mike Pejic. had been with Stoke as a brilliant player for seemingly ever and at the just before end of his career he joined us. Played a game or two I think but was injured ever since. Forget Ivo Stas as we didn't really know him when Pejic was signed we thought we were getting top quality. Didn't turn out too bad, hough.
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I don't remember Adrian Heath doing anything of note for us. Possibly an assist in a 1-1 draw against Charlton in 1989, but that's about it.
I'm sure he sort of fell over the ball in a scramble in front of the Holte to cause the ball to dribble into the net. Might be thinking of Frank Macavennie from the same period mind.
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A waste of our cash.
This for me was when I knew that BFR had lost the plot
Wasn't he a Deadly Doug special?
No I think BFR was a genuine fan. Fitted into the old/experienced profile. Fash wanted to relocate to the Midlands to do Gladiators.
It went wrong, quickly. At the very least it should have been the kick up the arse Dalian needed, it was no such thing.
Wasn't the story that Fashanu called Atkinson trying to sell him Daniel Amokachi (he was somehow working as his representative / agent in the days before licencing) who'd had a great World Cup in the US and BFR said that the only forward he would be interested in was Fash himself?
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Geddis also slotted the winner against Wolves.
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Without looking through 12 pages, to see if someone already said it, Carlton Cole. The answer is Carlton Cole.
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Mike Pejic. had been with Stoke as a brilliant player for seemingly ever and at the just before end of his career he joined us. Played a game or two I think but was injured ever since. Forget Ivo Stas as we didn't really know him when Pejic was signed we thought we were getting top quality. Didn't turn out too bad, hough.
Pejic was fine for us - hard as nails and knew his job. He sadly just wasn't around for long (10-12 games?) and had to retire
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Least amount of talent - Simon Dawkins/Isiah Osbourne/Alexandr Tonev
Biggest waste of talent - David Ginola
Least Contribution/Biggest Pussy - David Unsworth
Guy that made you just think WTF - Hassan Kachloul
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Didier Agathe... a MON special?? He was about as useful as a pair of glasses on a one eared person.
To be fair I think he was a free agent signed after the window had closed as MON joined us quite late in pre season. Although admittedly he was crap.
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I was convinced Useless De La Cruz was the worst player in the premier league for a few years never mind just at Villa.
And for wasted talent Luke Moore, I was sure he was gonna be something very special, he was on fire during the last days of O'Leary then early on under O'Neill then picked up a shoulder injury and was sent to America for surgery by Randy and came back a shell of himself playing more like Stefan Moore.
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David Geddis used to take pelters and i remember a two-fingered salute when he scored at Notts County i think, might have been a hat-trick actually. Whether he was that bad i can't honestly remember.
I was as critical as anyone with regards to David Geddis at the time, (I remember absolute sitter he missed against Tottenham at the Holte End towards the end of 1979-80). However, after a while I thought - this poor lad is being compared as replacement to Andy Gray, and most of us could not come to terms with us losing him to Wolves. Geddis was not an out and out centre forward like Andy was even though he played number 9. I always felt we saw the best of him the next year after we'd signed Peter With, and even though Geddis only played a handful of games each year after that, when he came in, he scored vital goals just when we needed them - two against the rags in the 3-0 win just before Christmas 1980. - Am I right in thinking he was only playing because With was suspended ?
Worst ever player - Simon Stainrod (for us) and Steve Hodge would take some beating - surely that team of 1985-86 was far worse than what we've got now ?
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surely that team of 1985-86 was far worse than what we've got now ?
We can review this question in six months time..
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Least amount of talent - Simon Dawkins/Isiah Osbourne/Alexandr Tonev
Biggest waste of talent - David Ginola
Least Contribution/Biggest Pussy - David Unsworth
Guy that made you just think WTF - Hassan Kachloul
Best debut but it all went downhill from there - Tony Moooooon
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David Geddis used to take pelters and i remember a two-fingered salute when he scored at Notts County i think, might have been a hat-trick actually. Whether he was that bad i can't honestly remember.
I was as critical as anyone with regards to David Geddis at the time, (I remember absolute sitter he missed against Tottenham at the Holte End towards the end of 1979-80). However, after a while I thought - this poor lad is being compared as replacement to Andy Gray, and most of us could not come to terms with us losing him to Wolves. Geddis was not an out and out centre forward like Andy was even though he played number 9. I always felt we saw the best of him the next year after we'd signed Peter With, and even though Geddis only played a handful of games each year after that, when he came in, he scored vital goals just when we needed them - two against the rags in the 3-0 win just before Christmas 1980. - Am I right in thinking he was only playing because With was suspended ?
Worst ever player - Simon Stainrod (for us) and Steve Hodge would take some beating - surely that team of 1985-86 was far worse than what we've got now ?
Yes you are right, and he did a brilliant but brief job deputising for Withey that season, he also scored a vital goal against Southampton if I remember rightly, his part in that Championship season is wrongly overlooked.
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David Geddis used to take pelters and i remember a two-fingered salute when he scored at Notts County i think, might have been a hat-trick actually. Whether he was that bad i can't honestly remember.
I was as critical as anyone with regards to David Geddis at the time, (I remember absolute sitter he missed against Tottenham at the Holte End towards the end of 1979-80). However, after a while I thought - this poor lad is being compared as replacement to Andy Gray, and most of us could not come to terms with us losing him to Wolves. Geddis was not an out and out centre forward like Andy was even though he played number 9. I always felt we saw the best of him the next year after we'd signed Peter With, and even though Geddis only played a handful of games each year after that, when he came in, he scored vital goals just when we needed them - two against the rags in the 3-0 win just before Christmas 1980. - Am I right in thinking he was only playing because With was suspended ?
Worst ever player - Simon Stainrod (for us) and Steve Hodge would take some beating - surely that team of 1985-86 was far worse than what we've got now ?
Stainrod and Hodge were two of our best players in the '85-'87 period. Which admittedly is not much of a claim to fame. As a kid in my mid teens with very limited footballing ability at the time, if I had been given a few games I might have made the top three.
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Dave Norton gets my vote
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Dave Norton - his Dad (RIP) used to run the Vine in Wordsley, I remember when Dave was in the reserves and he came into the pub one night telling everyone how he had brought this BMW off Gary Shaw.
His Dad told me that Dave loved the lifestyle of being a footballer, but he lacked the desire to want to work hard at trying to improve himself.... His Dad was not too impressed with his attitude.
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David Geddis used to take pelters and i remember a two-fingered salute when he scored at Notts County i think, might have been a hat-trick actually. Whether he was that bad i can't honestly remember.
I was as critical as anyone with regards to David Geddis at the time, (I remember absolute sitter he missed against Tottenham at the Holte End towards the end of 1979-80). However, after a while I thought - this poor lad is being compared as replacement to Andy Gray, and most of us could not come to terms with us losing him to Wolves. Geddis was not an out and out centre forward like Andy was even though he played number 9. I always felt we saw the best of him the next year after we'd signed Peter With, and even though Geddis only played a handful of games each year after that, when he came in, he scored vital goals just when we needed them - two against the rags in the 3-0 win just before Christmas 1980. - Am I right in thinking he was only playing because With was suspended ?
Worst ever player - Simon Stainrod (for us) and Steve Hodge would take some beating - surely that team of 1985-86 was far worse than what we've got now ?
Stainrod and Hodge were two of our best players in the '85-'87 period. Which admittedly is not much of a claim to fame. As a kid in my mid teens with very limited footballing ability at the time, if I had been given a few games I might have made the top three.
I seem to remember Hodge making an horrendous mistake to give Norwich their first goal in a 4-1 win against us a VP - I've never known the Holte End turn on a player so much, it looked to me like he was close to tears and Steve Hunt had to console him - (without checking) I think that was the final game of Graham Turner's disastrous reign and of course it came just a couple of months after he'd played that superb through ball for Maradonna to infamously score against England in the 1986 World Cup
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Turner went after the previous game, the 6-0 at Forest. Ron Wylie was in caretaker charge for the Norwich game before Billy McNeil took over.
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Yes - spot on Damo - I'd completely forgotten about Why Ronlie - am I right in thinking apart from Ron (do you wanna bet against us) Saunders - he's the only person to manage Us, the rags and the boggies ?
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I wasn't aware he managed Small Heath but I did meet him at the sty in 1986 (Frank Worthington's testimonial) and he proudly told me and my mate how he had captained both Blues and Villa.
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oooops I must be getting old !! - I remember him as a player for the rags - for some un-known reason I remember going to see them beat Chelsea in the FA Cup quarter final in 1968. (in those days Chelsea were a good first division team - Peters Osgood and Bonetti, Chopper Harris, John Hollins and all - the rags, although higher placed than us at the time
( I must check their honours list to see if that's on it) were a mid table second division team.
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Dave Norton - his Dad (RIP) used to run the Vine in Wordsley, I remember when Dave was in the reserves and he came into the pub one night telling everyone how he had brought this BMW off Gary Shaw.
His Dad told me that Dave loved the lifestyle of being a footballer, but he lacked the desire to want to work hard at trying to improve himself.... His Dad was not too impressed with his attitude.
good post
i knew vic his dad very well and although he loved david he knew he was caught up in the footballers lifestyle. iirc it was a toyota celica he bought off gary and vic gave him the money for it!
david was best mates with tony dorigo and was always trying to keep up with him although dorigo was winning the title with leeds and he was playing for hull in the third division
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I seem to remember Hodge making an horrendous mistake to give Norwich their first goal in a 4-1 win against us a VP - I've never known the Holte End turn on a player so much, it looked to me like he was close to tears and Steve Hunt had to console him
The Holte were on Hodge's case before the back pass you call a mistake. This was due to the player saying he wanted to leave because being at the Villa was harming his international prospects. This despite him making his England breakthrough at Villa (he was at the club a little over a year kn the end).
The back pass smacked of a deliberate act of petulant sabotage in the face of the stick he was getting. Of course, only he will truely know if that was how it was.
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I seem to remember Hodge making an horrendous mistake to give Norwich their first goal in a 4-1 win against us a VP - I've never known the Holte End turn on a player so much, it looked to me like he was close to tears and Steve Hunt had to console him
The Holte were on Hodge's case before the back pass you call a mistake. This was due to the player saying he wanted to leave because being at the Villa was harming his international prospects. This despite him making his England breakthrough at Villa (he was at the club a little over a year kn the end).
The back pass smacked of a deliberate act of petulant sabotage in the face of the stick he was getting. Of course, only he will truely know if that was how it was.
I never did and still don't think it was deliberate. What I find him to be guilty of however is that his lack of motivation barely 6 weeks into the season meant he gave a very lazy I'm above this shit type of pass. In one instant he went from a Barry type who most people (not I) went on to forgive to a, well, a Hodge.
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I can't remember who we were playing a year before, but when we signed him, didn't we parade him on the pitch as "our new midfield sensation" who was going to help Villa (and England) onto bigger and better things ?
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I seem to remember him leaving Forest to join us because Clough was playing him out on the wing. And for what it is worth I agree with peter w. I was on the Holte that day and have never though Hodge's back pass was deliberate or malicious. Just sloppy.
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Time to revive this - due to the shenanigans of the last couple of seasons and in particular the debacle of Dubai and the relegation party, I'd like to nominate Gabby Agbonlahor.
Even my ire at Nigel Callaghan's slothlike football has nothing on this fat fool.
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I can't remember who we were playing a year before, but when we signed him, didn't we parade him on the pitch as "our new midfield sensation" who was going to help Villa (and England) onto bigger and better things ?
Yes you're right mate.
Tony Stephens was Villa's commercial manager and held an onpitch interview with Hodge, ending with them both in front of the Holte End, Stephens gushing about how wonderful a signing he was and scoring lots of goalds in the Holte End net.
Fast forward to that Norwich game and Hodge's surly demeanour...after his crap back pass which led to the goal he gave a sort of clenched fist sign to the Holte, which made the booing worse.
However, his rampant ambition to leave Villa turned him into the most hated Villa player ever until Mr. Delph cama along....
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Time to revive this - due to the shenanigans of the last couple of seasons and in particular the debacle of Dubai and the relegation party, I'd like to nominate Gabby Agbonlahor.
Even my ire at Nigel Callaghan's slothlike football has nothing on this fat fool.
Fully agree with you again Herbert - there must be a couple of candidates from this present bunch
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Time to revive this - due to the shenanigans of the last couple of seasons and in particular the debacle of Dubai and the relegation party, I'd like to nominate Gabby Agbonlahor.
Even my ire at Nigel Callaghan's slothlike football has nothing on this fat fool.
Fully agree with you again Herbert - there must be a couple of candidates from this present bunch
I would put N'Zogbia above/below Gabby. At least Gabby has been of use at some point.
N'Zogbia has done the square root of fuck all, taken £60k a week for it and judging by his comments on Twatter, couldn't care less.
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Time to revive this - due to the shenanigans of the last couple of seasons and in particular the debacle of Dubai and the relegation party, I'd like to nominate Gabby Agbonlahor.
Even my ire at Nigel Callaghan's slothlike football has nothing on this fat fool.
Fully agree with you again Herbert - there must be a couple of candidates from this present bunch
I would put N'Zogbia above/below Gabby. At least Gabby has been of use at some point.
N'Zogbia has done the square root of fuck all, taken £60k a week for it and judging by his comments on Twatter, couldn't care less.
He's built up an 'impressive' wardrobe collection though using that 60k salary #lifestyle
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Richards & Lescott. Couple of overpaid loud mouth useless c$*ts. Gabby, Guzan & N'Zog are not far behind.
At least Hodge, Delph wanted to and did leave and didn't bleed the club dry like those f*"king parasites above.
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We need to clarify the thread title here I think. There's a difference between footballer (player) and human attitude. We've had many terrible footballers in our time but most always tried and gave their best but, very few with the stinking attitude we are witnessing at present.
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We need to clarify the thread title here I think. There's a difference between footballer (player) and human attitude. We've had many terrible footballers in our time but most always tried and gave their best but, very few with the stinking attitude we are witnessing at present.
Agree Dave. There is the issue between those who try but are useless and those (current a"*holes) who have the talent but can't be bothered. To me they are worse and are lower in my estimation.
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Kozak, for as much as he tries is dog shit. No technical ability whatsoever.
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Application : Agbonlahor. The guy was always a shit footballer, but he was quick and he stretched teams and allowed others room to play, and therefore was worth more than his goal return. Lugging around an extra 20 pounds and he's a waste of a squad number (and £60k/week)
Talent : Sanchez. Seriously. He's a terrible footballer. I do not understand how you can misplace a 10 yard pass by 5 yards or more on such a regular basis and still get paid. It's basics. His performance against Arsenal last season was a one man wrecking ball against his own team - I've never seen anything like it.
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Only read a few pages, but cannot believe David Geddis gets a mention. This is a bloke who came in to a local derby and scored two against the noses and what about Southampton game?
I can accept limited ability but not lack of desire and this season many of the players have certainly lacked that. I despise bad attitudes and many have shown that this season and Bacuna for instance banging on about champions league is a joke. I wouldn't choose a worst player football wise but attitude wise I am going for Lescott. I have stuck up for him on here, been proved wrong. Spitting chewing gum in a cup game as a laugh is so not right and some of his comments have been awful. This is from a supposedly massive Villa fan and makes it worse. I would also lob Agbonlahor in. He is a disgrace. Heard Wilkins talking the other day saying he had a word with him re weight and was told not to worry, I am fine, ignoring him. Shite attitude but getting paid so hey
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Application : Agbonlahor. The guy was always a shit footballer, but he was quick and he stretched teams and allowed others room to play, and therefore was worth more than his goal return. Lugging around an extra 20 pounds and he's a waste of a squad number (and £60k/week)
Talent : Sanchez. Seriously. He's a terrible footballer. I do not understand how you can misplace a 10 yard pass by 5 yards or more on such a regular basis and still get paid. It's basics. His performance against Arsenal last season was a one man wrecking ball against his own team - I've never seen anything like it.
Agree 100% on Sanchez. I know he has his supporters on this site but every time I've seen him play there have been at least 5 incidents per match when I've shouted 'why the fuck did you do that?!'
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Been a supporter for 50 years and have seen some poor players
but nothing like the present bunch where the main issue is attitude
top of the league of worst player ever has to be Lescott because he
fails in all areas of expectation.
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Been a supporter for 50 years and have seen some poor players
but nothing like the present bunch where the main issue is attitude
top of the league of worst player ever has to be Lescott because he
fails in all areas of expectation.
A friend who is a Newcastle fan texted me on Sunday after watching the Villa game and said "Newcastle may be rubbish but Lescott is a disgrace and should never be allowed to play for Villa again".
He actually felt sorry for Villa having so many players who don't care, but singled out Lescott.
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Didier Agathe
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Other than winning the ball in the air, I don't think I've seen a player so laughably bad at all other aspects of the game as Rudy Gestede.
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Other than winning the ball in the air, I don't think I've seen a player so laughably bad at all other aspects of the game as Rudy Gestede.
bit harsh
he has a great fourth touch and im sure he would hit a cows arse with a banjo if he could find one and if he had a banjo
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Other than the 110% factor Alan Hutton - would never call him however.
Would hate to see Geddis in this present team, he would probably be awful. This is always going to be a difficult one, Chico was great for us until we reached the First Division and was like a cat in water, same for Ian Ross and Cumbes.
We have had the likes of Callaghan, Hodge, Sanchez, Neil Rioch, Aspinall, the Frenchman Six, Bradley, Glover but for pure showing compared to how good he thinks he is, I give you Bacuna - a total pile of cows dune.
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I have supported Villa for 50 years and boy have I seen some crap.
David Hunt was awful, but he did a job when we last went down, John Inglis was a terrible player, and Bobby Park wasn't much better, but, for me, for the terrible attitude, lack of leadership and just inept comedy defending my award for the worst Villa player I have ever seen has to go to Michah Richards.
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I have supported Villa for 50 years and boy have I seen some crap.
David Hunt was awful, but he did a job when we last went down, John Inglis was a terrible player, and Bobby Park wasn't much better, but, for me, for the terrible attitude, lack of leadership and just inept comedy defending my award for the worst Villa player I have ever seen has to go to Michah Richards.
One of those spelling mistakes that turns out to be appropriate in the case of this fucking clown.
And I agree.
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I can accept a lack of talent and skill, if the effort is there. So that allows for the likes of Westwood, Sanchez, Gestede to not get my vote. This current crop of wa**ers, Lescott, Richards, Agbonlahor,and their piss poor attitude and not wanting to play, really galls me.
The one individual who i really cannot stand is Charles N'Zogbia, a complete prick who brings shame on himself and his family for his attitude. I hate to think of these tossers influencing any of our younger players like Grealish, Hepburn Murphy etc.
The sooner these mercenaries are out of our club the better.
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I have supported Villa for 50 years and boy have I seen some crap.
David Hunt was awful, but he did a job when we last went down, John Inglis was a terrible player, and Bobby Park wasn't much better, but, for me, for the terrible attitude, lack of leadership and just inept comedy defending my award for the worst Villa player I have ever seen has to go to Michah Richards.
I've probably written this at some point earlier in this thread, but David Hunt is the worst player I've ever seen for Villa. He didn't do a job for us in the second division, he can only have played around 10 times and was quickly ditched by SGT.
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The very fact that N'Zog has cost us £211k per game in his 5 years here makes him by far the winner of this particular competition.
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Ormondroyd, I felt sorry for him every time he touched the ball, so bad he inspired pity and scorn in equal measure. He did try though, bless him.
He was also a regular in a team that finished runners-up in the league so he can't have been that bad, but what's that compared to the chance of a cheap joke?
I thought he was brilliant when he switched over to left wing and scored a massively important goal at Derby.
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Steve H*@%&
Steve Foster
Tony Carntscorino.
End of the matter FACT ( I think)
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Ormondroyd, I felt sorry for him every time he touched the ball, so bad he inspired pity and scorn in equal measure. He did try though, bless him.
He was also a regular in a team that finished runners-up in the league so he can't have been that bad, but what's that compared to the chance of a cheap joke?
I thought he was brilliant when he switched over to left wing and scored a massively important goal at Derby.
I remember that too, he struggled a bit at the end of his first season but then Sir Graham moved him to the wing and he was a revelation. The home game against Coventry seemed to be the catalyst, Daley set him up to smash one into the top corner after about ten minutes and his confidence went through the roof. He scored a header in the second half (we won 4-1) and went on to have a great season. Scored a belter away at Spurs in February too, the day I thought we might go on to win the league. Days later Wimbledon did their Wimbledon thing. Ormondroyd shouldn't be anywhere near anyone's list of worst ever Villa player. He made a bloody good contribution.
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I think the televised game against Everton was also one of the highlights of his career.
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As mentioned he wasn't exactly our greatest player, but was a regular in a team that finished runners up and could never be criticised for lack of effort, and yes that goal at Spurs was a belter, and it helped put us top of the league for the first time ever in Doug's time in charge - bless him he just had to mention that after the game !
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Good goal vs QPR at home in the Venglos season too. Was a stunner.
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Nothing but good memories of Ian Ormondroyd...in a great side also (apart from the Venglos season). My vote goes to our current captain Richards - an absolutely disastrous signing. Apparently there's a player in there somewhere...nah.
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Worst in attitude definitely, worst player in ability? I'm afraid there's a good few ahead of him in that regard, you only have to go back to the beginning of this thread to see that. All opinion of course.
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Take your pick from the current crop
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I started going in 1969/70 with my dad so I've seen some shockers but for me, Gestede is by far the worst. I still can't believe the money we spent on him.
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For overall non contribution over an extended period of time and weighing up the costs it has to be CNZ.
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Lescott for me closely followed by Richards - 'Rabbit Hearts' in the defence of my worst ever Villa side..
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Stephen Ireland
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Stephen Ireland
Ireland was 3 years of Bad Shit. CNZ was 5 years.
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I'm struggling to think of a worse one over all than Mr Richards
I'm not letting any past performances for other teams cloud my judgement, but based purely on his absolutely pathetic performances in the Villa shirt he's got to be number 1
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Regarding Ormondroyd, as I recall he was struggling so SGT left him out for a while. Then when he brought him back he played him wide left and hit high balls to him. With the average full back being a fair bit shorter than him he tended to beat them. I seem to recall him having a decent cross on him too.
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Stephen Ireland
Ireland was 3 years of Bad Shit. CNZ was 5 years.
So are we doing it on longevity at the club or haw bad they were during their time here?
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Regarding Ormondroyd, as I recall he was struggling so SGT left him out for a while. Then when he brought him back he played him wide left and hit high balls to him. With the average full back being a fair bit shorter than him he tended to beat them. I seem to recall him having a decent cross on him too.
I'll always love him for his goal at WHL v Spurs which helped us go top of the league in 1990. Cracking game and performance.
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It has to be insomnia for taking the piss. 60k a week for crap performances and seeing out his contract by training with the academy kids. Complete Wanner.
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Wanker even.
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Stephen Ireland
Ireland was 3 years of Bad Shit. CNZ was 5 years.
So are we doing it on longevity at the club or haw bad they were during their time here?
Well they were both as fucking useless as each other cost a similar amount in transfer fees and wages - just we CNZ pain lasted longer
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The "worst" category is unfortunately rather spoilt for the choice, the most disappointing may well be, off the top of my head, possibly Nigel Callaghan.
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The very fact that N'Zog has cost us £211k per game in his 5 years here makes him by far the winner of this particular competition.
Worst/most resented or both.
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Tommy Craig
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Tommy Craig
Did he play enough times for us to qualify for consideration for worst player ?
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Tommy Craig
Scored a fantastic free-kick at the witton, screwed if i can remember who against. That's about my total recall of the lad, Saunders actually said he just couldn't make him fit into the system we were playing at the time.
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Tommy Craig
Scored a fantastic free-kick at the witton, screwed if i can remember who against. That's about my total recall of the lad, Saunders actually said he just couldn't make him fit into the system we were playing at the time.
When we bought him we were in transition between the 77 team and the early 80's outfit. Tommy Craig's movement was second to none other players just couldn't work it out and I am not being smart arsed here.
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Tommy Craig
Scored a fantastic free-kick at the witton, screwed if i can remember who against. That's about my total recall of the lad, Saunders actually said he just couldn't make him fit into the system we were playing at the time.
When we bought him we were in transition between the 77 team and the early 80's outfit. Tommy Craig's movement was second to none other players just couldn't work it out and I am not being smart arsed here.
I remember us being chuffed to buggery when we bought him.
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Tommy Craig
Scored a fantastic free-kick at the witton, screwed if i can remember who against. That's about my total recall of the lad, Saunders actually said he just couldn't make him fit into the system we were playing at the time.
It was against Everton in a 1-1 draw. A cracker into the top corner, and I think it was just after we had signed him. I don't think he did anything for us again. Interesting comments by wittonwarrior above - I was too young and tactically unaware to notice stuff like that, but I do recall people generally being chuffed he had joined us.
My main memory of that Everton game was leaving the Holte and walking down Trinity Rd. A foreign bloke stopped me and asked where he could get a taxi to New St - I was 14-15 and had probably never been in a taxi so I had no idea. I hit upon the idea of walking to the station with him so he could at least get a train. We chatted on the way and he was an Everton fan from the Lebanon and it was his first ever game. He was the first person from that region I had ever met (probably the first away fan I had spoken to) and I thought it was dead exotic, though I couldn't work out why somebody from the Lebanon would support Everton.
We came across a taxi on Jardine Rd (!!) and he was happy to avoid the train queue.
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Tommy Craig pissed me off by signing for Sheffield Wednesday when The Doc was trying to sign him from Aberdeen. His reasons for joining them over us? Geographical FFS!
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Poorest player in a great Aston villa team David geddis.
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Poorest player in a great Aston villa team David geddis.
An effective stand in for Peter Withe with a good goal ratio in the few games he played, a number of them (if not all) were vital in a close title race.
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Scored in a 2-1 win over Wolves, twice with an assist in the 3-0 win over sha and in a 2-1 win over Saints. 4 goals in 9 games and all vital.
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I think Geddis also made a significant contribution in the season before we won the league, when we were very much a team in transition.
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Scored in a 2-1 win over Wolves, twice with an assist in the 3-0 win over sha and in a 2-1 win over Saints. 4 goals in 9 games and all vital.
The goals against Wolves and Southampton were the winning goals too. Without those four points we finish runners up to Ipswich.
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I seem to recall David Geddis' goals being the main reason Ron Saunders' Small Heath bounced straight back up in 1985. I think he got a hatrick in a top of the table clash at Portsmouth in the run in. He also had a good goals record at Barnsley in between playing for us and them.
Just Wiki'd him. 12 in 47 for Villa, 24 in 45 for Barnsley and 18 in 46 for Small Heath. Surprisingly just 5 in 43 for Ipswich but I think he was often sub or played wide.
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I seem to recall David Geddis' goals being the main reason Ron Saunders' Small Heath bounced straight back up in 1985. I think he got a hatrick in a top of the table clash at Portsmouth in the run in. He also had a good goals record at Barnsley in between playing for us and them.
Just Wiki'd him. 12 in 47 for Villa, 24 in 45 for Barnsley and 18 in 46 for Small Heath. Surprisingly just 5 in 43 for Ipswich but I think he was often sub or played wide.
Those stats - as well as the importance of his goals in 1980-81 - are reason why his name should not even be mentioned on this thread.
His main problem was that he wasn't Andy Gray and fans were hoping for a like for like replacement.
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I liked Geddis and best memory was the local derby against the filth when playing against him was a lad known to me, Phil Hawker. Geddis tore him a new one that afternoon and as Phil was ( and probably still is) a very decent human being I had the unique feeling of actually feeling sorry for a bluenose player. Hasten to add that particular emotion has never been repeated over the last 32 years or so.
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I liked Geddis and best memory was the local derby against the filth when playing against him was a lad known to me, Phil Hawker. Geddis tore him a new one that afternoon and as Phil was ( and probably still is) a very decent human being I had the unique feeling of actually feeling sorry for a bluenose player. Hasten to add that particular emotion has never been repeated over the last 32 years or so.
I might be wrong but I think Hawker may have only been 18 at the time. I also think he might have been played out of position at left back as he was a centre half. I also think it may have been his debut. But to be fair I might be wrong on all three counts!
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Wasn't Hawker put forward as a new Beckenbauer when he first came through?
Didn't quite work out, did it?
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Wasn't Hawker put forward as a new Beckenbauer when he first came through?
Didn't quite work out, did it?
Tait was supposed to be the new Francis, and neither did that.
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I seem to recall David Geddis' goals being the main reason Ron Saunders' Small Heath bounced straight back up in 1985. I think he got a hatrick in a top of the table clash at Portsmouth in the run in. He also had a good goals record at Barnsley in between playing for us and them.
Just Wiki'd him. 12 in 47 for Villa, 24 in 45 for Barnsley and 18 in 46 for Small Heath. Surprisingly just 5 in 43 for Ipswich but I think he was often sub or played wide.
Those stats - as well as the importance of his goals in 1980-81 - are reason why his name should not even be mentioned on this thread.
His main problem was that he wasn't Andy Gray and fans were hoping for a like for like replacement.
And that the team was later set up to play around Peter Withe as a pivot, something Geddis was never going to be.
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I remember going to see Bradford City play a couple of times with a mate when I lived in Leeds and being quite impressed with how useless their centre forward was.
I still remember the glee on my mate's face when he came in to let me know Villa had signed Ormondroyd, I thought he was making it up so phoned Teamtalk to have the news confirmed. He was nowhere near the worst though.
I'm going for Micah Richards.
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Poorest player in a great Aston villa team David geddis.
That is utter rubbish. Dave Geddis had a good goalscoring record for the games he played much like Geoff Vowden did earlier.
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I remember going to see Bradford City play a couple of times with a mate when I lived in Leeds and being quite impressed with how useless their centre forward was.
I still remember the glee on my mate's face when he came in to let me know Villa had signed Ormondroyd, I thought he was making it up so phoned Teamtalk to have the news confirmed. He was nowhere near the worst though.
I'm going for Micah Richards.
Certainly a candidate for biggest ****** / biggest disappointment depending on how harsh you're feeling.
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I remember going to see Bradford City play a couple of times with a mate when I lived in Leeds and being quite impressed with how useless their centre forward was.
I still remember the glee on my mate's face when he came in to let me know Villa had signed Ormondroyd, I thought he was making it up so phoned Teamtalk to have the news confirmed. He was nowhere near the worst though.
Ormondroyd wasn't even the worst player we signed on the we bought him! Callaghan was a total waste of space.
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The name David Geddis should not be anywhere near this thread. He was a vital part of the league winning squad, and scored some vital goals. We've had some rubbish over the years, but for me it's Nigel Callaghan. The man had talent, he was just an absolute cock! If I remember correctly, didn't Platty nearly chin him during a match for making no attempt to get to an easy pass and a steward bollocked him aswell. He was then substituted never to be seen again in a Villa shirt.
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The name David Geddis should not be anywhere near this thread. He was a vital part of the league winning squad, and scored some vital goals. We've had some rubbish over the years, but for me it's Nigel Callaghan. The man had talent, he was just an absolute cock! If I remember correctly, didn't Platty nearly chin him during a match for making no attempt to get to an easy pass and a steward bollocked him aswell. He was then substituted never to be seen again in a Villa shirt.
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