Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: bruisedshins on July 09, 2015, 11:48:22 AM
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Here's a short review of some of the displays we put on last season. We'll be moving forward to the front of L7 next season so there's more space for anyone wanting to get involved to come over and join us.
For anyone who's interested the music is from a brilliant local band called Broken Witt Rebels.
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Cheers, not sure why the youtube link didn't work first time.
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I used to like this lots contribution to our support until they introduced that fucking drum.
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Moving into L7 this year with my 3 boys and bro. (from the Upper North). Just to get away from the stewards in there and saviour a better atmosphere. Agree though that we shouldnt need the drum to 'drum' up an atmosphere..
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Nice music, good video. Lose the drum.
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Cheers, not sure why the youtube link didn't work first time.
You need to delete the "s" at the end of the http when you paste it into H&V:
https://www.youtube.com
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I don't want to sound old man and dislike whinging for whinging's sake, but to echo what others have said the drum really does need to go. We're not Bolton Wanderers.
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In defense of the drum the reason we have it is to keep a consistent rhythm to the songs, otherwise the tendency is that people get faster and faster with the clapping until the song burns out. I've no idea how loud it is as i'm always very close to it, obviously we don't want the sound to be overbearing though, it's only supposed to be a backbeat not the main thing you can hear.
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How you doing for numbers? Steady increase year on year?
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Yeah, there's been a small increase year on year since we started mate, there's always some turnover within the group though, people have kids, new jobs and have less time to be involved, then younger lads come in and replace them. I think this year will be a seminal one for us, moving to a bigger area, closer to the pitch we'll be more visible and less peripheral.
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Good video bruisedshins.
I was near Brigada for the W Ham game and the drum didn't bother me. Look forward to more colour and noise this season.
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Good work again.
I can't say the drum bothers me too much either.
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I think the drummer could benefit from some professional guidance.
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/08225a7d531756e6ee54cac1980aa0d9/tumblr_nkcsk4wpIf1r3x83so3_500.gif)
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I think the drummer could benefit from some professional guidance.
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/08225a7d531756e6ee54cac1980aa0d9/tumblr_nkcsk4wpIf1r3x83so3_500.gif)
Our main drummers rhythm is pretty good, we have given the drum to kids in the section before though who've asked if they can play it, some of them are quite good, others are still learning ;D
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If there's a general consensus that the drum is annoying, would you leave it at home?
It should only take a few core singers to dictate the pace of the song, you really shouldn't need a beat.
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I doubt we'd ditch it altogether, we have made modifications to the drum to flatten the sound that comes from it though.
I don't agree about just needing a few "core singers" to keep the rhythm going, a couple of voices get drowned out pretty easily, I think you need a beat to keep things ticking over, previously we banged on the windows at the side of the holte, or even the seats but inevitably things get broken.
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If there's a general consensus that the drum is annoying, would you leave it at home?
It should only take a few core singers to dictate the pace of the song, you really shouldn't need a beat.
Drum hasn't bothered me.
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If this one was playing the drum I don't think people would mind so much. ;)
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On the basis that the Drum pisses most Villa Fans off, why not ditch it.
As has been said we are not Bolton.
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I doubt we'd ditch it altogether, we have made modifications to the drum to flatten the sound that comes from it though.
I don't agree about just needing a few "core singers" to keep the rhythm going, a couple of voices get drowned out pretty easily, I think you need a beat to keep things ticking over, previously we banged on the windows at the side of the holte, or even the seats but inevitably things get broken.
I think chanting at football matches has been achieved quite effectively over the years without a 'beat to tick things over', particularly in our very own Holte End. I do however think you're missing a trick to not incorporate a bit of slap bass and a saxophone solo.
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On the basis that the Drum pisses most Villa Fans off, why not ditch it.
As has been said we are not Bolton.
Views seem pretty mixed on here. Why this obsession with Bolton? Palace have a drum and have the best home atmosphere in the country. Celtic have a drum too. It's not just Bolton.
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On the basis that the Drum pisses most Villa Fans off, why not ditch it.
As has been said we are not Bolton.
Views seem pretty mixed on here. Why this obsession with Bolton? Palace have a drum and have the best home atmosphere in the country. Celtic have a drum too. It's not just Bolton.
Must admit I can't hear Brigada over in L2 but occasionally hear the muffled beat of the drum. A few years ago I must admit I'd have been against a drum but with all seater stadia many newer and younger fans don't seem to have the ability to keep in rhythmn. Let's be honest when was the last time we had a very long version of <insert Managers name> Claret and Blue Army without it being ruined by people going too fast. The spirit of Everton away 89, Liverpool FAC away 92 is fast being lost and whilst I can recall a few times where it's got going ok Norwich LC Qtr final was a good example we don't do it like we used to and if a drum helps keep things going then I'm all for it.
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Got to be honest the Tim sherwoods c+b army from the Holte is to quick
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I love the noise the Brigada boys make, hardly notice the drum.
If it keeps some of the grumpy fu**ers around me in the Trinity Middle awake it's doing a good job!
UTV!
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I love the noise the Brigada boys make, hardly notice the drum.
If it keeps some of the grumpy fu**ers around me in the Trinity Middle awake it's doing a good job!
UTV!
Haha, cheers pal.
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NO FUCKING DRUMS
I hate drums, they have no part in football, I love your ideals Brigada, but as long as you have a drum I will continue to hate you.
Drums have no place in football,,,ever...fucking EVER
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I like Brigada minus drum.
Sort it out lads.
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What about a metronome as a compromise?
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I think the Drum thing is totally selfish, " we like the drum so fuck you if you don't"
If that is how you think getting the fans to be together then there is some serious flaws in your argument.
You should stop the Drum thing.
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The drum is effectively anti-social behaviour. Imagine being sat near that, it's bad enough being the other end of the ground.
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There aren't enough kazoos at football.
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I think the Drum thing is totally selfish, " we like the drum so fuck you if you don't"
If that is how you think getting the fans to be together then there is some serious flaws in your argument.
You should stop the Drum thing.
Are you for real? You want us to ditch the drum because you don't like it? Do you want us to do a mailout questionnaire to every Villan before we do everything to make sure that we aren't upsetting anyone? I'm all for consensus decision making but if you based it on the passing thoughts of people on forums you'd never get anything done.
Dave WP, I hear you pal, I used to really enjoy reading the works of Kurt Vonnegut until I found out he had a moustache, then i wanted to piss on his cornflakes and put broken glass in his porridge.
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Do any other big clubs have drums? It's usually small clubs, often with near new half empty stadiums - Wigan, Bolton, Blackpool etc. I don't remember the likes of Arsenal, United etc. having drums. There's few things that shout small time louder.
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I think the Drum thing is totally selfish, " we like the drum so fuck you if you don't"
If that is how you think getting the fans to be together then there is some serious flaws in your argument.
You should stop the Drum thing.
Are you for real? You want us to ditch the drum because you don't like it? Do you want us to do a mailout questionnaire to every Villan before we do everything to make sure that we aren't upsetting anyone? I'm all for consensus decision making but if you based it on the passing thoughts of people on forums you'd never get anything done.
Dave WP, I hear you pal, I used to really enjoy reading the works of Kurt Vonnegut until I found out he had a moustache, then i wanted to piss on his cornflakes and put broken glass in his porridge.
Yes I am for Real, and like many others I don't like it. I have not heard any criticism of anything else you do, and I like all the other stuff you do. But the Drum is Crass and Small time. As long as you are enjoying yourself carry on
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Do any other big clubs have drums? It's usually small clubs, often with near new half empty stadiums - Wigan, Bolton, Blackpool etc. I don't remember the likes of Arsenal, United etc. having drums. There's few things that shout small time louder.
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No don't carry on bruised shins , the drum is surplus to requirements and pissing a lot of people off.
Be big enough to do the right thing.
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Do any other big clubs have drums? It's usually small clubs, often with near new half empty stadiums - Wigan, Bolton, Blackpool etc. I don't remember the likes of Arsenal, United etc. having drums. There's few things that shout small time louder.
I'm not sure what the size of the club has to do with it. It's about atmosphere, not the catchment area of a club or what trophies they've won in the past. For example Arsenal have one of the direst, most tepid supports in the country, they're a laughing stock. Conversely if you look at Palace, they're a smaller club in terms of history and turnover but have the best home support in the country and have a drum.
If you want big clubs who have drums then look at Dortmund, Bayern, Ajax etc, they have illusrtious histories and drummers, so the too are not mutually exclusive.
The only reason why the drum is more audible then it perhaps should be is because of the lack of atmosphere for long periods of games at Villa Park, like i've said the purpose of the drum is just to keep a steady rhythm to a song, it works better for some songs than others, eg "we are the famous Holte End" or "in 1982 in Rotterdam", however if you had 13,000 people singing I guarantee you you wouldn't even notice the drum.
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Fair point bruised.
If the drum is just for tempo rather than say giving it a good bang every time we have a throw in, the debate alters somewhat
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On the basis that the Drum pisses most Villa Fans off, why not ditch it.
As has been said we are not Bolton.
Views seem pretty mixed on here. Why this obsession with Bolton? Palace have a drum and have the best home atmosphere in the country. Celtic have a drum too. It's not just Bolton.
If you seriously think Palace have the best home atmosphere in the country then you really don't know what atmosphere is. That group in the corner at Palace are just irritating cheerleaders trying to draw attention to themselves and their poxy singing that has fuck all to do with the game being played in front of them. they may as well just have a DJ playing.
A good atmosphere at football is generated spontaneously as supporters react as one to something that's just happened on the pitch. That buzz of excitement or anticipation or that roar or chant to urge the team on.
If you want to be like Palace then fine, but they are just cheerleaders without Pom-poms in my opinion. All very small-time and false.
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Rather than a drum, could you not try to get hold of a sex pistols style surfer flag with too may words in? I'm pretty sure that would get strong support on here.
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Rather than a drum, could you not try to get hold of a sex pistols style surfer flag with too may words in? I'm pretty sure that would get strong support on here.
Excellent!
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Rather than a drum, could you not try to get hold of a sex pistols style surfer flag with too may words in? I'm pretty sure that would get strong support on here.
Maybe i'm missing something here but you do know that wasn't us right?
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Do any other big clubs have drums? ......... I don't remember the likes of Arsenal, United etc. having drums. There's few things that shout small time louder.
Playing devil's advocate here but the "big" clubs you mentioned who don't have a drum also don't have any atmosphere in their grounds. The Emirates and Old Trafford are usually silent, save for the away fans. I'd rather have a drum banging next to me than some silent, sober, miserable bastard
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Do any other big clubs have drums? ......... I don't remember the likes of Arsenal, United etc. having drums. There's few things that shout small time louder.
Playing devil's advocate here but the "big" clubs you mentioned who don't have a drum also don't have any atmosphere in their grounds. The Emirates and Old Trafford are usually silent, save for the away fans. I'd rather have a drum banging next to me than some silent, sober, miserable bastard
For clarification, except for the sober bit, Chico is referring to me here.
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Can we have a vuvuzela instead?
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Under my own rules of football, Aston Villa deserve to be relegated now on the basis of us having a wanky drum.
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Rather than a drum, could you not try to get hold of a sex pistols style surfer flag with too may words in? I'm pretty sure that would get strong support on here.
Maybe i'm missing something here but you do know that wasn't us right?
Yeah I know that wasn't you bruised. Don't worry I'm mostly fan of your work (not hugely of the drum but hey ho), but couldn't resist bring this up. We're all just a bunch of miserable internet forum toxic wankers really.
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There are loads of annoying things at football matches, but the most annoying (and small time) is battling relegation season after season.
Towards the end of last season we had balloons, streamers, new banners, 'themes' every week, and a drum.....and we created enough 'artificial atmosphere to drag ourselves out of the relegation zone & into a cup final.
No-one would like a naturally generated atmosphere from the fans more than me, that's why I have campaigned for safe standing, because the terraces used to flow with it, but we don't have that now. All seater stadiums just don't do what football used to do, and our actual football hasn't been that great either.
If I have to choose between no atmosphere and 'artificial atmosphere', I will probably choose the latter every time. Anyone who has been at the early rounds of the cup, when Brigada are the only thing happening, will have seen the faces of little kids who think they are brilliant, and who are being given a reason to want to come again when there is sod all else going on.
I'd rather we didn't need a drum, or even Brigada much as I love them, but we do.
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Good to see "Brigada" aren't locating anywhere near me because if they were the nuisance with the drum would be wearing it not banging it!
I'm with the MAJORITY in saying get rid of it!
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Maybe you need to get a Delph banner organised!
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Do any other big clubs have drums? ......... I don't remember the likes of Arsenal, United etc. having drums. There's few things that shout small time louder.
arsenal and Utd both need to be 2-0 up before you Do any other big clubs have drums? ......... I don't remember the likes of Arsenal, United etc. having drums. There's few things that shout small time louder.
Playing devil's advocate here but the "big" clubs you mentioned who don't have a drum also don't have any atmosphere in their grounds. The Emirates and Old Trafford are usually silent, save for the away fans. I'd rather have a drum banging next to me than some silent, sober, miserable bastard
hear them. I'm split on the drum issue. Haven't been to VP for a while, so can't comment on the atmosphere, seems good on TV though
Playing devil's advocate here but the "big" clubs you mentioned who don't have a drum also don't have any atmosphere in their grounds. The Emirates and Old Trafford are usually silent, save for the away fans. I'd rather have a drum banging next to me than some silent, sober, miserable bastard
arsenal and Utd both need to be 2-0 up before you hear them. Haven't been to VP for years, so can't comment on the atmosphere, it always sounds pretty good mic'd up on tv. I agree with most, a drum is small time and a bit cringeworthy, but if it gets the crowd going fair enough you could live with it. Does seem to piss a lot of people off though.