Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Hookeysmith on June 01, 2015, 04:16:51 PM
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Given - Too old now, thanks but on your way
Hutton - The moment we started to look better he looked worse - was never really good to begin with - it was really a measure of how shit others were
Cissokho - average at everything and seemingly made of glass
Senderos - as Cissokho
Herd - As both above
Lowton - Not good enough at this level add also Bennett, Luna
Cole - why we have wasted any money on him is beyond me
Nzogbia - 4 years you have had and we still don't know your actual position
Sylla - Good enough, Hole, arse, never, as long as, gonna be - arrange this to find all you need to know
Gabby - Mr Villa - yeah right - more like so shit no one else ever wanted you - ever - time up charlatan
Weinmann - 4 years on and cannot command a regular place or even appearance as a playing sub - gone backwards from initial promise
That's nearly a full team but a team that has had its chances and simply not taken them
Time for change
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I doubt we'll get Given and CNZ to give up their high paying gigs. They will never get another one so lucrative.
Vlaar and Westwood can go to and we can let Everton or some other mug punter to pick up the 3.5m p/a tab for Tommy Average.
So only leaves us about 15 players short for a top half finish.
All we needed to tick over post 2011 was 3-4 very good signings per year. Alas, we did nothing of the sort at any time.
Guzan/Delph re-signing, Benteke was all we had to show. Even Concrete Ron was not available often enough.
Welcome to the Tweenies:
Let relegation battle Number 6 commence in 10 weeks time.
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The answer is simple
Continue to buy Championship players and journeymen - it is where eventually you will end up
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I doubt we'll get Given and CNZ to give up their high paying gigs. They will never get another one so lucrative.
Vlaar and Westwood can go to and we can let Everton or some other mug punter to pick up the 3.5m p/a tab for Tommy Average.
So only leaves us about 15 players short for a top half finish.
All we needed to tick over post 2011 was 3-4 very good signings per year. Alas, we did nothing of the sort at any time.
Guzan/Delph re-signing, Benteke was all we had to show. Even Concrete Ron was not available often enough.
Welcome to the Tweenies:
Let relegation battle Number 6 commence in 10 weeks time.
Amazing the state of the squad. Full of shit, and woefully short of reliable players also.
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I can only think of two players in the entire squad that I would be upset to see go. One is Grealish and the other Benteke. And frankly if the money is right then the latter can go too.
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The one player I would keep out of all them, above.
Joe Bennett, cuz he will come good imo.
Ducks behind trench.
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Keep Guzan, Steer, Clark, Bacuna, Okore, Delph, Sinclair, Grealish.
Sell as many of the rest as possible. I'm resigned to losing Benteke. He'd be barking mad to stay at this disaster zone.
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I'd keep Baker too
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I'd keep Baker too
I like Baker. My only concern is injuries. We've got too many sicknotes. I'd be getting pretty brutal with the weeding myself. The squad is a state.
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Let's be brutally honest here.
We have centre backs that are
Senderos - always injured
Vlaar - always injured
Clark - picks up injuries and is Ok
Okore - picks up injuries and is Ok
Baker - always injured
Not a good start for a balanced, consistent defence.
Fullbacks are
Bacuna - Cannot defend
Hutton - Picks up injuries
Cissokho - Picks up injuries
Bennett - Built like a 7 yr old, cannot defend
Lowton - Cannot defend
Stevens - Looks shit in the Championship
Luna - Cannot defend
The entire backline needs an overhaul, the only time we've looked even remotely competent at the back was by commiting no men forwards and being as boring as Greece. The defence is abysmal and spending half a decade of buying lower league punts, foreign gambles and perennially injured chancers has got us what we currently have now.
To quote some spoilt Arsenal fans a few years ago
SPEND SOME FACKING MANEY!
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Re: The OP... Are Sylla and Herd really still on our books?!
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Re: The OP... Are Sylla and Herd really still on our books?!
Sylla signed a three and half year contract in January 2013. So yes, and will be next year as well.
Herd signed a four year contract under McLeish, so he's out of contract this summer.
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The one player I would keep out of all them, above.
Joe Bennett, cuz he will come good imo.
Ducks behind trench.
Apparently Tim's been impressed with him since he came back.
I happen to like him, I'd certainly give him some extra time to prove himself.
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I hope the club have learnt that completely isolating players doesn't really work when it comes to getting rid of them.
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I can only think of two players in the entire squad that I would be upset to see go. One is Grealish and the other Benteke. And frankly if the money is right then the latter can go too.
Don't rate Delph then?
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The one player I would keep out of all them, above.
Joe Bennett, cuz he will come good imo.
Ducks behind trench.
He's the worst left back we have, and given the competition, that's quite some claim to fame.
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Have we still got Tonev?
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Have we still got Tonev?
Yes, he's probably entrenched in All Bar One Glasgow as we speak.
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Joe Bennett
Is that the guy who pretty much marked Edwin hazard out the game v chelski cpl seasons ago
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Have we still got Tonev?
Surely we'd have grounds to cancel his contract. Not least because he lied to us in claiming to be a footballer.
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Joe Bennett
Is that the guy who pretty much marked Edwin hazard out the game v chelski cpl seasons ago
The Seagull fans thought he'd done a decent job according to the comments here....http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/12980797.display/ (ftp://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/12980797.display/)
The problem is we need to rebuild the entire defence. Bennett could be a Premiership defender, if he had players of high quality around him. With the exception of Clark, what defence do we have? We leak goals like a burst water main.
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Keep Delph, Grealish, Benteke and Clark. Fuck the rest off.
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Keep Delph, Grealish, Benteke and Clark. Fuck the rest off.
Baker ? Gardner ?
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Baker is too injury prone and Gardner, well who knows? another who hasn't kicked on for one reason or another. Maybe one to keep.
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The rebuilding job will take longer than 1 transfer window, so we may have to be patient and live with some of the ones we want shot of being in the squad for a while yet.
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We will need one of those new Airbus double decker jobbies to airfreight all of our deadwood out of BHX . Let's hope the weight doesn't hamper take off
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Joe Bennett
Is that the guy who pretty much marked Edwin hazard out the game v chelski cpl seasons ago
The Seagull fans thought he'd done a decent job according to the comments here....http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/12980797.display/ (ftp://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/12980797.display/)
The problem is we need to rebuild the entire defence. Bennett could be a Premiership defender, if he had players of high quality around him. With the exception of Clark, what defence do we have? We leak goals like a burst water main.
Decent job at the lower end of the Championship is hardly a ringing endorsement is it? Pretty much every time he played for us, the opposition targeted him and hot some joy, even Bradford. Giving the likes of Bennett, Baker and Lowton a chance is exactly why we are where we have been for the last four years. I remember similar comments about the likes of Bannan and Lichaj, and look where they are now - can hardly get a regular game in the Championship. We need better.
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I really don't think Joe Bennett is a good enough one v one defender at this level, he was a player just given a chance far too early at premier league level, he'd have been better playing another 100 games for Boro at that level as his first season he just looked so short of basic defensive understanding it was laughable.
Who knows what will happen at the left back coconut shy this summer. I'd keep Cissokho and ditch Richardson but Sherwood will do the opposite I'd imagine.
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The one player I would keep out of all them, above.
Joe Bennett, cuz he will come good imo.
Ducks behind trench.
He's the worst left back we have, and given the competition, that's quite some claim to fame.
I seem to remember people saying something similar about Delph. I'm not saying Bennett will turn into an international but I think there is something there to work with.
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I really don't think Joe Bennett is a good enough one v one defender at this level, he was a player just given a chance far too early at premier league level, he'd have been better playing another 100 games for Boro at that level as his first season he just looked so short of basic defensive understanding it was laughable.
Who knows what will happen at the left back coconut shy this summer. I'd keep Cissokho and ditch Richardson but Sherwood will do the opposite I'd imagine.
I think Richardson will stay as he can cover a couple of positions. I'm sure he will have a look at Kinsella in pre season, but we still need a starting left back,
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Joe Bennett
Is that the guy who pretty much marked Edwin hazard out the game v chelski cpl seasons ago
The Seagull fans thought he'd done a decent job according to the comments here....http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/12980797.display/ (ftp://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/12980797.display/)
The problem is we need to rebuild the entire defence. Bennett could be a Premiership defender, if he had players of high quality around him. With the exception of Clark, what defence do we have? We leak goals like a burst water main.
Decent job at the lower end of the Championship is hardly a ringing endorsement is it? Pretty much every time he played for us, the opposition targeted him and hot some joy, even Bradford. Giving the likes of Bennett, Baker and Lowton a chance is exactly why we are where we have been for the last four years. I remember similar comments about the likes of Bannan and Lichaj, and look where they are now - can hardly get a regular game in the Championship. We need better.
Spot on. Bennett did a decent job at Middlesbrough too, so it seems like the Championship is his level.
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Given - Too old now, thanks but on your way
Hutton - The moment we started to look better he looked worse - was never really good to begin with - it was really a measure of how shit others were
Cissokho - average at everything and seemingly made of glass
Senderos - as Cissokho
Herd - As both above
Lowton - Not good enough at this level add also Bennett, Luna
Cole - why we have wasted any money on him is beyond me
Nzogbia - 4 years you have had and we still don't know your actual position
Sylla - Good enough, Hole, arse, never, as long as, gonna be - arrange this to find all you need to know
Gabby - Mr Villa - yeah right - more like so shit no one else ever wanted you - ever - time up charlatan
Weinmann - 4 years on and cannot command a regular place or even appearance as a playing sub - gone backwards from initial promise
That's nearly a full team but a team that has had its chances and simply not taken them
Time for change
lowton was a good player but lost his way under poor management, there is a decent player in there
when gabby came on Saturday he looked like the only playing giving it his all and actually having a run with the ball, no chance he'll leave villa, he'll at least stick on the bench
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Sherwood's list of potential players out the door in the Mail doesn't have many surprises except it should be longer, although it seems a bit premature to include Kozak as an uncertain Villa future given he's had no opportunity to play for Sherwood and we will more than likely loose Benteke.
You have to wonder about Gil as well, as he seems to be out of favour with the manager, yet looks to have more ability than the majority of the squad.
Interesting times ahead with possibly new owners, (although who'd want to buy us after Saturday)?
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I really don't think Joe Bennett is a good enough one v one defender at this level, he was a player just given a chance far too early at premier league level, he'd have been better playing another 100 games for Boro at that level as his first season he just looked so short of basic defensive understanding it was laughable.
Who knows what will happen at the left back coconut shy this summer. I'd keep Cissokho and ditch Richardson but Sherwood will do the opposite I'd imagine.
I think Richardson will stay as he can cover a couple of positions. I'm sure he will have a look at Kinsella in pre season, but we still need a starting left back,
He can have an extra year for that goal line clearance in the semi as far as I am concerned.
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You have to wonder about Gil as well, as he seems to be out of favour with the manager, yet looks to have more ability than the majority of the squad.
His approach to Carles worries my slightly about is potential dealings in the transfer market. It suggests to me it could be the O'Neill style 'all about PL or English football experience - we don't want any Johnny foreigners coming in who are too lightweight and don't know the league' mentality, just on the cheap this time. Just speculation at this point, admittedly.
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I have it on pretty good authority that Gil has been told to find another club.
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Interesting times ahead with possibly new owners, (although who'd want to buy us after Saturday)?
Potential owners are waiting for the club to end up in those bargain bins in the middle of Lidl....
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Of course some players are going to go but I think this thread goes a bit over the top myself.
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You have to wonder about Gil as well, as he seems to be out of favour with the manager, yet looks to have more ability than the majority of the squad.
His approach to Carles worries my slightly about is potential dealings in the transfer market. It suggests to me it could be the O'Neill style 'all about PL or English football experience - we don't want any Johnny foreigners coming in who are too lightweight and don't know the league' mentality, just on the cheap this time. Just speculation at this point, admittedly.
I would hope not. It seems Carles probably hasn't done enough in training. I would hope we will still look at technically gifted players. If you look at Sanchez and Cazorla for Arsenal for example. Both exceptionally gifted but in addition to that, the pair work as hard as anyone in their side. I really like Sanchez, for someone with such quality, and the ability to produce magic, what stands out even more is just how much work he does. He never stops running.
Of course on our budget level you tend to be very lucky to find a player who has lots of ability, and exceptional work-rate to match. I think the combo of the two is what make players potential world beaters over someone who is talented but slightly mercurial.
If we find someone technically impressive, I would guess that player would probably be the kind who can drift in and out of games. It's like during the O Neill period. We could afford a John Carew but a player a level above where you get workrate and consistency as well? Not really.
We shall see.
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I have it on pretty good authority that Gil has been told to find another club.
What about the 3 years left on his contract ?
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No patience any more. We can't live in hope that Lowton and Bennett etc will suddenly be good enough. We need players who are good enough right now.
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I have it on pretty good authority that Gil has been told to find another club.
What about the 3 years left on his contract ?
I'm sure it happens all the time, 'the manager doesn't fancy you as a player so we wont stand in the way of a move, tell your agent to get the feelers out and we'll try our best to get you somewhere you can play'. If he doesn't get the move he's still got a contract and a wage, just not a place in the team.
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So yeah effectively a new bomb squad is born. Gil may be able to get a swift move but some of the others ? Who on earth is going to match Weimann wages for example ? He will just sit out his contract whoop whoop flamey
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Given - Too old now, thanks but on your way
Hutton - The moment we started to look better he looked worse - was never really good to begin with - it was really a measure of how shit others were
Cissokho - average at everything and seemingly made of glass
Senderos - as Cissokho
Herd - As both above
Lowton - Not good enough at this level add also Bennett, Luna
Cole - why we have wasted any money on him is beyond me
Nzogbia - 4 years you have had and we still don't know your actual position
Sylla - Good enough, Hole, arse, never, as long as, gonna be - arrange this to find all you need to know
Gabby - Mr Villa - yeah right - more like so shit no one else ever wanted you - ever - time up charlatan
Weinmann - 4 years on and cannot command a regular place or even appearance as a playing sub - gone backwards from initial promise
That's nearly a full team but a team that has had its chances and simply not taken them
Time for change
Ha ha, I love the contempt in that post.
I also agree with pretty much all of it.
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So cut this short we're keeping Clark, Delph, Benteke and the tea lady.
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The one player I would keep out of all them, above.
Joe Bennett, cuz he will come good imo.
Ducks behind trench.
He's the worst left back we have, and given the competition, that's quite some claim to fame.
I seem to remember people saying something similar about Delph. I'm not saying Bennett will turn into an international but I think there is something there to work with.
Yes , I was a loan voice or at least in a small minority of those that could see Delph was a very good footballer, Joe Bennett can be a very good premiership player just needs bringing in to a winning team slowly. and yes the game aginst Chelsea for me he was motm