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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: LTA on May 15, 2015, 08:17:03 AM
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TSM2 has just been on. He said we'll go again a couple of times.
Also said he wouldn't go to watch a game where the home manager was under pressure................
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said he wouldn't go to watch a game where the home manager was under pressure................
I don't think many managers would be concerned about him being there
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I think its the fans that would be worried.
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TSM2 has just been on. He said we'll go again a couple of times.
Also said he wouldn't go to watch a game where the home manager was under pressure................
Which games did Sherwood actually come to? To be fair, it wasn't really until after the Hull game that Lambert was genuinely under pressure and he was sacked pretty much straight after that. Prior to that we had Tom Fox's "flipping a coin" 'narrative' and I'm pretty sure that - up until that point- there was still a majority of fans who didn't see a viable alternative and therefore didn't want Lambert to be sacked. There certainly wasn't a clamour for Sherwood to be brought in at that time, form anywhere.
Hindsight, eh?
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You'd think, if he had any sense at all, he'd keep a low profile after being shown up as utterly shit at his job.
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You'd think, if he had any sense at all, he'd keep a low profile after being shown up as utterly shit at his job.
I don't begrudge him putting himself back in the shop window. Despite his obvious flaws as a coach and tactician he obviously had some merits in terms of overseeing the club and in terms of massive uncertainty and austerity. His record at all of his previous clubs also suggests that he does have some level of ability.
Isn't the Brentford Manager leaving at the end of the season? I'd suggest that as an ideal fit for him, if so.
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It may be black or white thinking but he was either bad at his job or the players wanted him out.
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He left with an air of respect and dignity around him, I hope him putting himself back in the shop window doesnt sour that. He still has (just about) kept his reputation intact due to his tenure being during a period of cutbacks and rectification of previous overspending. This taken alone would probably get him another job and disguises the fact that we were eye bleedingly bad for the best part of two seasons (although the few high points were really good ones). The one thing that is completely shitting on his chips is the fact that Sherwood has taken the same players with an equal (if not higher) amount of injuries and got them to a cup final, got them playing excellent football, got them virtually safe and in the space of 3 months or so completely reversed the malais that hungover the club under his tenure.
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I wish I knew how to change my username at this point!
Anyway I think he will be very much employable still. Yes the footy was shite and we may have got relegated this season, but for a relatively small spend he kept us in the PL for 2 seasons. Owners of clubs like that, they don't care about style or entertainment (see FTA under Pullis), just the Sky money.
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You'd think, if he had any sense at all, he'd keep a low profile after being shown up as utterly shit at his job.
I don't begrudge him putting himself back in the shop window. Despite his obvious flaws as a coach and tactician he obviously had some merits in terms of overseeing the club and in terms of massive uncertainty and austerity. His record at all of his previous clubs also suggests that he does have some level of ability.
Isn't the Brentford Manager leaving at the end of the season? I'd suggest that as an ideal fit for him, if so.
He's a rich man, he can afford to take a short break from the shop window. And he'd be well advised to do so, as his record is being magnified for its shitness due to the success of Sherwood under much the same conditions. In fact, much of the mess we were in until very recently was of Lambert's making. If I were Paul Lambert, I'd wait until the fuss over my successor had died down a bit before putting my face out there.
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Does anyone know what time the interview was?
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I havent got anything personal against the man.
As a manager, his performance was appalling. The football was bad, the motivation was non-existent and the decisions he took (to me) showed he was out of his depth. Its highly unlikely he would get another top level gig. His only chance is to take some lower league provincial backwater ensemble, wipe the shit off and slowly move up the leagues restoring his managerial ability reputation in the process.
If he's cheesed off that Sherwood sat in the stands "when a manager is under pressure" - well frankly thats half the premier league managers on any given Saturday. Lambert couldnt turn it around, stayed too long and could have seriously damaged this club. When we look back on his tenure in years to come, it will take a while to sink in how close this man took us to the abyss. Record after horrific record tumbled as the seasons wore on, crowds plunged, media stuck the knife in, deluded post match soundbites ad nauseum.
Did I mention that he no doubt got a pay off (in millions) to sweeten his fall.
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Managing The Villa was just a step beyond him. Fair enough if he wants a Colchester/Norwich job again.
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Whatever you think of his reign he's played his part in getting us to the cup final - be that in getting us through to the last 16, or in bringing some very good players to the club.
Carles Gil's goal against Bournemouth and his cameo performances against Liverpool and Chelsea remain among the highlights of the season for me.
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when those lovely Jawdees get relegated and Carver gets the sack Lambert would be a good fit there...
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I wish I knew how to change my username at this point!
Anyway I think he will be very much employable still. Yes the footy was shite and we may have got relegated this season, but for a relatively small spend he kept us in the PL for 2 seasons. Owners of clubs like that, they don't care about style or entertainment (see FTA under Pullis), just the Sky money.
A kindly moderator could help with that if you tell them what you'd prefer to be known as.
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I can't remember which manager it was who said it but after being given the bullet he was asked what he'll do and he said, don't know, stay at home/garden, go and watch some games...(i'm paraphrasing). Its what managers do. If you're going to be managing in the top flight you're not going to sit at home and do nothing you're going to keep yourself in the loop by going to games. If we had hired Sherwood and found that he spent the last 6 months in Dubai or the Maldives we'd be questioning his motivation, his up-to-date knowledge of the game and the players, and why he wanted a job now. i bet Sherwood went to lots of games and not just Villa. Funny how none of this was mentioned before Keane's book.
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If Dean Saunders can get another job Paul Lambert certainly can.
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I can only ever hear Dean Saunders name in Big Rons voice.
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You'd think, if he had any sense at all, he'd keep a low profile after being shown up as utterly shit at his job.
I don't begrudge him putting himself back in the shop window. Despite his obvious flaws as a coach and tactician he obviously had some merits in terms of overseeing the club and in terms of massive uncertainty and austerity. His record at all of his previous clubs also suggests that he does have some level of ability.
Isn't the Brentford Manager leaving at the end of the season? I'd suggest that as an ideal fit for him, if so.
He's a rich man, he can afford to take a short break from the shop window. And he'd be well advised to do so, as his record is being magnified for its shitness due to the success of Sherwood under much the same conditions. In fact, much of the mess we were in until very recently was of Lambert's making. If I were Paul Lambert, I'd wait until the fuss over my successor had died down a bit before putting my face out there.
The problem for Lambert is that I don't think "out of sight, out of mind" applies to many professions as much as it does football management. Look at the amount of Managers who have decided to "take a break" after losing jobs, only to find themselves effectively forgotten about when the next wave of vacancies come around. DOL and TSM1 are just 2 of the many examples. It's a very fast-moving industry, I think he's being quite shrewd (for a change) but getting himself into the shop window as early as he can.
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You'd think, if he had any sense at all, he'd keep a low profile after being shown up as utterly shit at his job.
I don't begrudge him putting himself back in the shop window. Despite his obvious flaws as a coach and tactician he obviously had some merits in terms of overseeing the club and in terms of massive uncertainty and austerity. His record at all of his previous clubs also suggests that he does have some level of ability.
Isn't the Brentford Manager leaving at the end of the season? I'd suggest that as an ideal fit for him, if so.
He's a rich man, he can afford to take a short break from the shop window. And he'd be well advised to do so, as his record is being magnified for its shitness due to the success of Sherwood under much the same conditions. In fact, much of the mess we were in until very recently was of Lambert's making. If I were Paul Lambert, I'd wait until the fuss over my successor had died down a bit before putting my face out there.
The problem for Lambert is that I don't think "out of sight, out of mind" applies to many professions as much as it does football management. Look at the amount of Managers who have decided to "take a break" after losing jobs, only to find themselves effectively forgotten about when the next wave of vacancies come around. DOL and TSM1 are just 2 of the many examples. It's a very fast-moving industry, I think he's being quite shrewd (for a change) but getting himself into the shop window as early as he can.
Fair enough, but if I were a chairman I'd see Lambert and think, ooh, there's Paul Lambert - everything he touched turned to shit, but his successor is in a cup final.
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Looks like he's putting himself in the shop window then with his appearance on SSN yesterday too.
As far as I could make out on SSN, he said he had no issues with the club but was disappointed with how he was relieved of his duties via a telephone call whilst he was in Scotland. He still holds Villa and Lerner in high regard, and is happy that Sherwood is doing well...strangely he admitted that he knew the sack was coming (shame it took so long).
The interview was spun to show Lambert in a good light and referenced the cutback in spending (from approx £15m down to £10m over the last 3 seasons...not sure if the net spend figures were accurate), and that he achieved his criteria of cutting spending whilst keeping Villa in the Premier League.
Lambert also stated that he knew the team would start improving and scoring goals again once Benteke regained full fitness...and he only dropped Beneteke to protect him as he wasn't fully fit.
There was no mention that Villa would have got relegated if he'd have remained as manager or how Sherwood is doing a much better job than Lambert with the same group of players.
I guess it will be interesting to see if Lambert turns up at any games where current managers are under pressure in their jobs.
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Fair enough, but if I were a chairman I'd see Lambert and think, ooh, there's Paul Lambert - everything he touched turned to shit, but his successor is in a cup final.
Completely agree, but I guess a prolonged spell of unemployment is only going to diminish his reputation further.
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He'll be at derby next season. or Newcastle. Once the merry-go-round starts there'll be an opening. I offer him no ill will and hope he does go on to somewhere. I'm just relieved that he's no longer here.
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Does anyone know what time the interview was?
Just after 8 this morning
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He'll be at derby next season. or Newcastle. Once the merry-go-round starts there'll be an opening. I offer him no ill will and hope he does go on to somewhere. I'm just relieved that he's no longer here.
These are pretty much my sentiments, too.
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Managing The Villa was just a step beyond him. Fair enough if he wants a Colchester/Norwich/west brom job again.
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He'll be at derby next season. or Newcastle. Once the merry-go-round starts there'll be an opening. I offer him no ill will and hope he does go on to somewhere. I'm just relieved that he's no longer here.
That sounds about right to me. He's clearly ready to manage again and I think the Championship is about the right place for him.
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He'll be at derby next season. or Newcastle. Once the merry-go-round starts there'll be an opening. I offer him no ill will and hope he does go on to somewhere. I'm just relieved that he's no longer here.
The truth is he's left us with a very decent squad. Such a shame he couldn't replicate the form of the end of his first season. At that time I was really excited for the future, kind of in the same way I am now.
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Benteke, Vlaar, Okore, Westwood, Bacuna and hopefully Gil and Kozak suggest he wasn't a bad judge of a player (plus securing Delph), he just didn't know what to do with them. I wish him well, he has never bad mouthed us and I am sure gave the job everything he could.
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Nothing against him (now) but seems to me that he was overly reliant on Culverhouse and Karsa and once they were removed he didn't know what to do. He needs a strong backroom team for him to be successful which I guess speaks volumes about his own abilities.
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If Dean Saunders can get another job Paul Lambert certainly can.
There's such a dearth of managerial talent out there that you are probably right, but he has really damaged his reputation over the last 6 months with his adoption of TSM1's twin headed monster of eye-bleedingly dull and painful to watch football that also manages to be massively ineffective. The contrast under Sherwood with the same squad has really underlined that enormous double failure. If I were a chairman I'd certainly be be considering that, and the other unwanted records he's broken, at least as much as his relative successes with Colchester and Norwich as a guide. Plus he has to contend with the Villa curse - very few of our ex-managers have gone on to achieve anything significant in the game elsewhere.
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Lambert will get another job for sure. You wonder though if he needs to do a McLaren and work abroad for a year or two.
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What I don't understand with Lambert is that by the end of season 1 he seemed to have cracked it. We taken a load of pain in the first half of the season as what was effectively a new team of young players found their feet. Come the end of the season we were playing well, scoring goals and registering some stirring wins. The future looked to be ours.
Rather than push on, in season 2 he seemed to become absolutely paralysed with fear. It just got worse and worse. Why he abandoned the things that he had finally got working before is a real mystery. We had two seasons of it. Did he really think that what he was doing would eventually come good?
Baffling.
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My theory is that he was almost too successful, results-wise, at Norwich, because it meant that he didn't really have time to slow up and develop some contingencies as a manager; which then meant that once he hit a speed bump and had to make adjustments, he really had very little experience and ideas as to what to do; and the PL and a club like Villa isn't exactly a situation where you can afford to take your time on those things. By the end, he was just completely devoid of any inspiration, and just playing out the string. I think a couple of seasons at a stable Championship club will do him good in that regard.
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I offer him no good-will whatsoever. He arrived with promise and departed as one of the, if not the most, dreadful manager's this club has ever had. His football and results over the vast majority of the three years he was in charge was an embarrassment.
If i ever see him at Villa Park again in whatever capacity, it will be too soon. Good riddance and jog on!
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I offer him no good-will whatsoever. He arrived with promise and departed as one of the, if not the most, dreadful manager's this club has ever had. His football and results over the vast majority of the three years he was in charge was an embarrassment.
If i ever see him at Villa Park again in whatever capacity, it will be too soon. Good riddance and jog on!
How I feel. Never been more miserable as a Villa fan.
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You'd think, if he had any sense at all, he'd keep a low profile after being shown up as utterly shit at his job.
I don't begrudge him putting himself back in the shop window. Despite his obvious flaws as a coach and tactician he obviously had some merits in terms of overseeing the club and in terms of massive uncertainty and austerity. His record at all of his previous clubs also suggests that he does have some level of ability.
Isn't the Brentford Manager leaving at the end of the season? I'd suggest that as an ideal fit for him, if so.
What Austerity, just another Media Myth.
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Lambert will get another job for sure. You wonder though if he needs to do a McLaren and work abroad for a year or two.
Renting pedalos out in Magaluf
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Lambert will get another job for sure. You wonder though if he needs to do a McLaren and work abroad for a year or two.
Renting pedalos out in Magaluf
I read that completely wrong :o
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Thank God he's not here any more. If he'd stayed, we'd already have long running threads like 'The Championship - Is it that bad?'
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The mad idea of Guzan bowling it out to the fullbacks and going to Germany and coming back with a brand new tactic of keeping the ball but not creating any chances showed that he'd lost it.
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Lambert will get another job for sure. You wonder though if he needs to do a McLaren and work abroad for a year or two.
Renting pedalos out in Magaluf
He would alter them so they could only go sideways and backwards before they would sink like a stone.
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Lambert will get another job for sure. You wonder though if he needs to do a McLaren and work abroad for a year or two.
One of the smaller German clubs might suit him.
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Thank God he's not here any more. If he'd stayed, we'd already have long running threads like 'The Championship - Is it that bad?'
'Which League One ground are you looking forward to visiting the most?'
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I think he would be smarter to keep his head down until we are safe.
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Interesting that he's spinning it to suggest if he'd had a fully fit Benteke we'd have been fine. Was Benteke that much fitter when he started scoring for Sherwood than the last couple of months under Lambert?
The two league goals he scored this season with Lambert in charge, at Palace and at home to ManUre were comepletely of the Beast's own making which suggests he would have scored a hatful more during that period had we been better set-up to supply him like we are now.
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What puzzled me right from Lambert's first game was the way the defence passed the ball square and without urgency.....this was within injury time whilst losing against West Ham.
Just tippy crappy get no where fast football. Complete bollocks
I share Leighton's sentiments
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Lambert will get another job for sure. You wonder though if he needs to do a McLaren and work abroad for a year or two.
One of the smaller German clubs might suit him.
And giving interviews with a German accent wearing lederhosen.
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Interesting that he's spinning it to suggest if he'd had a fully fit Benteke we'd have been fine. Was Benteke that much fitter when he started scoring for Sherwood than the last couple of months under Lambert?
The two league goals he scored this season with Lambert in charge, at Palace and at home to ManUre were comepletely of the Beast's own making which suggests he would have scored a hatful more during that period had we been better set-up to supply him like we are now.
Arse and covering come to mind.
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I think the job turned out to be too big for him.
I also think he'd known nothing but success before coming here, and when things got tricky he didn't know what to do.
I also wonder how much the almost total lack of backroom staff other than that mentalist Keane was actually down to him.
I wish him no ill and hope he gets another job soon, but I've been watching us for about 40 years now and this season was the worst football I've ever seen from a villa team
Absolutely no doubt we'd have been relegated had we stuck with him.
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I sometimes wonder what Westley's view on things would be now. Probably 'if Benteke had been fit when Paul was in charge...'
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Interesting that he's spinning it to suggest if he'd had a fully fit Benteke we'd have been fine. Was Benteke that much fitter when he started scoring for Sherwood than the last couple of months under Lambert?
The two league goals he scored this season with Lambert in charge, at Palace and at home to ManUre were comepletely of the Beast's own making which suggests he would have scored a hatful more during that period had we been better set-up to supply him like we are now.
Arse and covering come to mind.
Indeed. I don't recall thinking, whilst watching the big fella frustratedly hanging around the centre circle for weeks on end, that the reason he wasn't banging them in for fun was his fitness. If he truly believes that, along with those post-match "we were excellent" lines he repeatedly trotted out, it only confirms my long-held belief that eventually all Villa managers go mental.
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The mad idea of Guzan bowling it out to the fullbacks and going to Germany and coming back with a brand new tactic of keeping the ball but not creating any chances showed that he'd lost it.
It was truly desperate
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For me it was the fact that he had no staff to speak of and he was trying to do everything himself proved that he was completely out of his depth. He ran Aston Villa like Colchester where maybe having 2 coaches and bloke with a bucket and sponge was fine. The players must have come to work every day thinking what fucking mess they were going to find the place in. By the end Lambert looked like an unshaven tramp. He probably didn't sleep and got a kip in now and again by the bins. He'd clearly lose the plot.
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I actually stuck up for him for a time on here due to the task he was given.
It was a bit like telling your wife or gf that " yea your hair looks really nice or that dress looks lovely on you "
But sooner or later you got a bite the bullett and tell the truth and lambert was appalling
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He has some nerve to rear his head above the parapet while we are still not safe. I cannot forgive the man for the God awful shite he dished up, the crap record after record he didn't just break he absolutely mullered. That game at WBA this season where Guzan was taking goal kicks backwards to cissoko still boils my piss. Wanker.
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I wish I knew how to change my username at this point!
Anyway I think he will be very much employable still. Yes the footy was shite and we may have got relegated this season, but for a relatively small spend he kept us in the PL for 2 seasons. Owners of clubs like that, they don't care about style or entertainment (see FTA under Pullis), just the Sky money.
Either donate to gain GM status or ask me very, very nicely indeed.
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I'll change your name for a cup final ticket. Which seems fair.
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You are a truly generous man PWS!
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I think the job turned out to be too big for him.
I also think he'd known nothing but success before coming here, and when things got tricky he didn't know what to do.
I also wonder how much the almost total lack of backroom staff other than that mentalist Keane was actually down to him.
I wish him no ill and hope he gets another job soon, but I've been watching us for about 40 years now and this season was the worst football I've ever seen from a villa team
Absolutely no doubt we'd have been relegated had we stuck with him.
All of the above.
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I'm all heart.
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The mad idea of Guzan bowling it out to the fullbacks and going to Germany and coming back with a brand new tactic of keeping the ball but not creating any chances showed that he'd lost it.
It was truly desperate
That was laughable probably the most amateur thing I have ever seen in professional football.
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I'm all heart.
Soft
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Lambert will get another job for sure. You wonder though if he needs to do a McLaren and work abroad for a year or two.
One of the smaller German clubs might suit him.
In the Westfalia NRW-Liga with someone like VfB Huls!
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I imagine he will end up somewhere like St Mirren or Partick.
That's his level.
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It may be black or white thinking but he was either bad at his job or the players wanted him out.
Dont ever forget that we, the fans, wanted - and got PL, sometimes a manager and club just are not a good fit for a myriad of reasons, and others are, In much the same way that Tim seemed to be at home from day one.
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It may be black or white thinking but he was either bad at his job or the players wanted him out.
Dont ever forget that we, the fans, wanted - and got PL, sometimes a manager and club just are not a good fit for a myriad of reasons, and others are, In much the same way that Tim seemed to be at home from day one.
I agree with this.
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It may be black or white thinking but he was either bad at his job or the players wanted him out.
Dont ever forget that we, the fans, wanted - and got PL, sometimes a manager and club just are not a good fit for a myriad of reasons, and others are, In much the same way that Tim seemed to be at home from day one.
That's not true though. I for one never wanted him and I know many others who didn't. The singing for him at Norwich in mcleishs last game was tragic. I can't blame the fans too much though after the preceding 24 months of nonsense.
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Interesting that he's spinning it to suggest if he'd had a fully fit Benteke we'd have been fine. Was Benteke that much fitter when he started scoring for Sherwood than the last couple of months under Lambert?
The two league goals he scored this season with Lambert in charge, at Palace and at home to ManUre were comepletely of the Beast's own making which suggests he would have scored a hatful more during that period had we been better set-up to supply him like we are now.
Arse and covering come to mind.
Indeed. I don't recall thinking, whilst watching the big fella frustratedly hanging around the centre circle for weeks on end, that the reason he wasn't banging them in for fun was his fitness. If he truly believes that, along with those post-match "we were excellent" lines he repeatedly trotted out, it only confirms my long-held belief that eventually all Villa managers go mental.
Bearing in mind that a certain Ron Saunders left the then current League Champions for St Andrews you may have a point.
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Former Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert makes frank admission over Jack Grealish
http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/05/14/former-aston-villa-boss-paul-lambert-makes-admission-over-jack-g/
The Scot says that he and the 19-year-old hotshot didn't always see eye to eye.
Former Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert has admitted to Sky Sports News HQ that he and Jack Grealish had a few falling outs during his time at the club.
Lambert gave Grealish his Villa debut at the start of this season, as the teenage attacker would go on to impress in four league cameos and one cup start, before penning a new long-term deal in October to ward off interest from top-flight rivals.
The Solihull-native seemed primed for a major role in the first-team at the time but instead but spent the next few months either warming the bench or in the reserves while fans clamoured for his inclusion.
However, with Tim Sherwood replacing Lambert at the helm in late-February following his sacking, the 19-year-old has since found his way into the line-up, earning rave reviews from six straight starts and leaving many wondering why the previous regime did not seem to believe he was ready for regular action.
The Scot stresses that he has been delighted to see Grealish performing so well of late but believes that he and his former coaching staff handled his development in the correct manner.
“We didn’t always see eye to eye,” Lambert said on Thursday morning. “He was a young player with a lot of promise but you’re trying to teach him what can happen if things can go wrong – you’re trying to harden him up.
“I’m delighted that he’s doing well now and having a sustainable run but there will come times that he’ll find it hard and things don’t go his way.
“He’s playing without fear, as a young player always does. We took him to America [for preason] and let him see how a pro lives and they actually do it.
“And we gave him his debut and, to be fair to him, he’s doing well.”
Grealish's recent emergence has also led to an international tug-of-war, with the Republic of Ireland Under-21 midfielder refusing a first senior call-up this week amid speculation that he is considering switching to England.
The decision has seen him come in for criticism from some quarters and Lambert believes that he has now put himself in a tough spot.
“It’s a hard one,” the former midfielder said. “There was a time when I was there when the Irish Under-21s were going to call him up and he never wanted to go there with them.
“Maybe he’s waiting for England? – I don’t know, but it’s his choice where he wants to go.
I Like Paul Lambert , he spent very little money compared to others and got the wage bill down, but when he started play fear football he had to go.The fan could see that Jack needed to start playing so why could he not see it?
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It may be black or white thinking but he was either bad at his job or the players wanted him out.
Dont ever forget that we, the fans, wanted - and got PL, sometimes a manager and club just are not a good fit for a myriad of reasons, and others are, In much the same way that Tim seemed to be at home from day one.
I didn't. Plus I also thought the appointment of Sherwood was questionable. Very happy indeed to say that so far I was totally wrong.
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I wish he'd had the backbone to resign after one on the numerous debacles he presided over. Pathetic. He'll never have to work again, but the scary thing is he'll walk into another very well paid job and mumble his way to more failure.
The last few weeks have felt like a breath of fresh air, I'm enjoying football again, I wish it had happened 12 months ago.
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It may be black or white thinking but he was either bad at his job or the players wanted him out.
Dont ever forget that we, the fans, wanted - and got PL, sometimes a manager and club just are not a good fit for a myriad of reasons, and others are, In much the same way that Tim seemed to be at home from day one.
I didn't. Plus I also thought the appointment of Sherwood was questionable. Very happy indeed to say that so far I was totally wrong.
I can honestly say that as from when Lamberts position became genuinely untenable and people were saying " but who are we" etc I was advocating Sherwood above all else. (Although, admittedly, the list of potential candidates wasn't unlimited)
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Also that bullshit story he came out with about asking Lerner to sack him twice ! Wtf !
Why didn't you walk then you bullshit merchant
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I wish he'd had the backbone to resign after one on the numerous debacles he presided over. Pathetic. He'll never have to work again, but the scary thing is he'll walk into another very well paid job and mumble his way to more failure.
The last few weeks have felt like a breath of fresh air, I'm enjoying football again, I wish it had happened 12 months ago.
We wouldn't had Fox making the decision, and most probably wouldn't have hired Sherwood, so let's just be thankful we did what we did, when we did.
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Does anyone know what time the interview was?
Just after 8 this morning
Thanks LTA :-)
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He always knew Villa would come good apparently. Maybe it has something to do with the fact he knew Jack Grealish would come good if he was actually given a chance on the pitch. Total bollox. Anyway, he goes again apparently.
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I offer him no good-will whatsoever. He arrived with promise and departed as one of the, if not the most, dreadful manager's this club has ever had. His football and results over the vast majority of the three years he was in charge was an embarrassment.
If i ever see him at Villa Park again in whatever capacity, it will be too soon. Good riddance and jog on!
How I feel. Never been more miserable as a Villa fan.
Add me to that list. I think my views on him are well documented. Thank god I missed his idiotic, thick mumbling on Talkshite. Never was a show more appropriate for him to appear on because he certainly managed to talk just that everytime I heard him
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I heard this interview this morning. He sounded like my car speakers were distorted, as usual. QPR beckons when they sack Ramsey. God help them.
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Lambert is a manager who was happy not to lose.
Sherwood is a manager who is gutted when he loses.
Where we were and who we are now!
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I offer him no good-will whatsoever. He arrived with promise and departed as one of the, if not the most, dreadful manager's this club has ever had. His football and results over the vast majority of the three years he was in charge was an embarrassment.
If i ever see him at Villa Park again in whatever capacity, it will be too soon. Good riddance and jog on!
How I feel. Never been more miserable as a Villa fan.
Add me to that list. I think my views on him are well documented. Thank god I missed his idiotic, thick mumbling on Talkshite. Never was a show more appropriate for him to appear on because he certainly managed to talk just that everytime I heard him
And me. Easily the most dismal manager I've had the displeasure to witness. He made supporting Villa an embarrassing chore.
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Lambert is a manager who was happy not to lose.
Sherwood is a manager who is gutted when he loses.
Where we were and who we are now!
I would add that Lambert was a manager who set out not to lose, hence the Benteke and attacking threat was nullified. Sherwood is a manager who sets out to win a game and play to the teams strengths. Step forward Tom Cleverley who has been a totally different player, but not the only one by far
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My view on his time at Villa was that he tried to change too much too soon when he came in and struggled with an inexperienced team until around the time when we lost at home to Newcastle but did everything but win the game. From then on until the away game at Chelsea last season (when we shouldn't have lost), we looked a completely different team. However, from the Chelsea match, other than a few exceptions, it was as though he turned off the light switch on the team.
I think he lost confidence in himself and this spread to the team. Without a management support structure behind him he was on his own and, in football today, that is the last thing you want.
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I offer him no good-will whatsoever. He arrived with promise and departed as one of the, if not the most, dreadful manager's this club has ever had. His football and results over the vast majority of the three years he was in charge was an embarrassment.
If i ever see him at Villa Park again in whatever capacity, it will be too soon. Good riddance and jog on!
How I feel. Never been more miserable as a Villa fan.
Add me to that list. I think my views on him are well documented. Thank god I missed his idiotic, thick mumbling on Talkshite. Never was a show more appropriate for him to appear on because he certainly managed to talk just that everytime I heard him
And me. Easily the most dismal manager I've had the displeasure to witness. He made supporting Villa an embarrassing chore.
I actually turned down free tickets on 2 occasions under Lambert without having anything stopping me going. That's how bad it was. You would literally have had to pay me and stick matchsticks in my eyes to watch us play.
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There used to be a lot of criticism of those who complained about his dour, mumbling press interviews either on the basis it was anti Scottish/anti working class or just irrelevant. I always used to think it was highly relevant if he was like that with the players. It's hardly a leadership style to inspire. Imagine him firing up a team at half time? His ridiculous catch phrase 'we go again' sums it up. There's a little independent record label called Fat Possum that puts out some rough basic blues bands no one will have heard of. It's logo is a fat possum crawling out of a bin and the words 'we're doing our best'. A half hearted and self deprecatory mission statement is great for a small alternative record label but not for a fiercely competitive football club.
In terms of how it finally spiralled from poor to disastrous, I think the Karsa/Culverhouse affair might hold the key. Something was obviously going badly wrong and whatever it was, it must have had a devastating impact on the team. It needed a really strong and positive response if we were going to keep Lambert in post but we just stumbled along with Shay Given being promoted from bomb squad to coach then signing an assistant with a history of... well let's just say a history. Then when the wheels inevitably came off with him, we just stumbled on with no one. Imagine how the players must have felt? Surrounded by controversy, incompetence and awful results withno one getting a grip or seeming to do anything and the manager telling the world we were excellent.
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Lambert is a manager who was happy not to lose.
Sherwood is a manager who is gutted when he loses.
Where we were and who we are now!
He was at the end but that was because he was truly broken. After success (of sorts) at Colchester, 2 promotions and a great third season with Norwich in the Prem - including a great win at Arsenal 3-2 I think - a great finish to our first season, and starting last season well, he just didn't know what to do when we stopped winning and scoring this season. He tried to change our pattern of play to a team that kept the ball but did it in pieces. We kept it in the 'wrong area'. Too much had gone wrong, if the attack worked the defence was porous, if the defence worked we didn't score, and when we couldn't score and the defence was still porous he had no ideas. How often did we see this season that we were strangely just a 45 minute team? A good first half and you know what was coming next.
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Lambert will get another job for sure. You wonder though if he needs to do a McLaren and work abroad for a year or two.
Renting pedalos out in Magaluf
He would alter them so they could only go sideways and backwards before they would sink like a stone.
You would get two goes for the price of one. The 'we go again' offer.
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He had the backroom to sort out with minimal help from what I could see.
I always had a private bet to see how many times he would say "brilliant" in a post match interview.
But he never had a Plan B to back up his Plan A, which resembled an ill crab that could barely manage only moving sideways.
its not always going to be great under Sherwood (he's aged in the last couple of weeks), but at least there is hope.
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I was going to say the same thing. He looks like he's lost a stone and put on a quick 5 years.
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There used to be a lot of criticism of those who complained about his dour, mumbling press interviews either on the basis it was anti Scottish/anti working class or just irrelevant. I always used to think it was highly relevant if he was like that with the players. It's hardly a leadership style to inspire. Imagine him firing up a team at half time? His ridiculous catch phrase 'we go again' sums it up. There's a little independent record label called Fat Possum that puts out some rough basic blues bands no one will have heard of. It's logo is a fat possum crawling out of a bin and the words 'we're doing our best'. A half hearted and self deprecatory mission statement is great for a small alternative record label but not for a fiercely competitive football club.
In terms of how it finally spiralled from poor to disastrous, I think the Karsa/Culverhouse affair might hold the key. Something was obviously going badly wrong and whatever it was, it must have had a devastating impact on the team. It needed a really strong and positive response if we were going to keep Lambert in post but we just stumbled along with Shay Given being promoted from bomb squad to coach then signing an assistant with a history of... well let's just say a history. Then when the wheels inevitably came off with him, we just stumbled on with no one. Imagine how the players must have felt? Surrounded by controversy, incompetence and awful results withno one getting a grip or seeming to do anything and the manager telling the world we were excellent.
I'll be most disappointed if Ruffles The Wonder Dog has never heard of it.
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The worst thing ever last season was Lerner giving Lambert that 4 year contract on the back of the first 4 results. What on earth possessed him to do that is inexcusable. He should have waited until at least half the season before making that decision - we all know he would've gone much earlier if that had been the case. Thank god the mumbling idiot has gone!
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The worst thing ever last season was Lerner giving Lambert that 4 year contract on the back of the first 4 results. What on earth possessed him to do that is inexcusable. He should have waited until at least half the season before making that decision - we all know he would've gone much earlier if that had been the case. Thank god the mumbling idiot has gone!
Hindsight says absolutely yes to this. However, if we have the chance to sign Benteke up for five years at the start of this season, it would have maybe led to some head scratching. And if Lambert had ended up taking us to Europe this season, then the decision would have been lauded as great foresight and good planning.
Shows how fickle it can all be
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In The worst thing ever last season was Lerner giving Lambert that 4 year contract on the back of the first 4 results. What on earth possessed him to do that is inexcusable. He should have waited until at least half the season before making that decision - we all know he would've gone much earlier if that had been the case. Thank god the mumbling idiot has gone!
Hindsight says absolutely yes to this. However, if we have the chance to sign Benteke up for five years at the start of this season, it would have maybe led to some head scratching. And if Lambert had ended up taking us to Europe this season, then the decision would have been lauded as great foresight and good planning.
Shows how fickle it can all be
Nothing to do with hindsight. Only someone who had appointed TSM could then follow it up with giving PL a four year extension. PL was awful last season so getting 10 points from the first four games (when we didn't actually play well) this season was no grounds on which to give him four years.
Extending Benteke's contract would have been fine
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I wish I knew how to change my username at this point!
Anyway I think he will be very much employable still. Yes the footy was shite and we may have got relegated this season, but for a relatively small spend he kept us in the PL for 2 seasons. Owners of clubs like that, they don't care about style or entertainment (see FTA under Pullis), just the Sky money.
Either donate to gain GM status or ask me very, very nicely indeed.
Was I GM when I changed it before? I think I must have been. Anyway sufficient time has passed since the reason why I didn't renew my GM status so I will.
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In The worst thing ever last season was Lerner giving Lambert that 4 year contract on the back of the first 4 results. What on earth possessed him to do that is inexcusable. He should have waited until at least half the season before making that decision - we all know he would've gone much earlier if that had been the case. Thank god the mumbling idiot has gone!
Hindsight says absolutely yes to this. However, if we have the chance to sign Benteke up for five years at the start of this season, it would have maybe led to some head scratching. And if Lambert had ended up taking us to Europe this season, then the decision would have been lauded as great foresight and good planning.
Shows how fickle it can all be
Nothing to do with hindsight. Only someone who had appointed TSM could then follow it up with giving PL a four year extension. PL was awful last season so getting 10 points from the first four games (when we didn't actually play well) this season was no grounds on which to give him four years.
Extending Benteke's contract would have been fine
I agree. We lived a charmed life in 3 of those games.
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In The worst thing ever last season was Lerner giving Lambert that 4 year contract on the back of the first 4 results. What on earth possessed him to do that is inexcusable. He should have waited until at least half the season before making that decision - we all know he would've gone much earlier if that had been the case. Thank god the mumbling idiot has gone!
Hindsight says absolutely yes to this. However, if we have the chance to sign Benteke up for five years at the start of this season, it would have maybe led to some head scratching. And if Lambert had ended up taking us to Europe this season, then the decision would have been lauded as great foresight and good planning.
Shows how fickle it can all be
Nothing to do with hindsight. Only someone who had appointed TSM could then follow it up with giving PL a four year extension. PL was awful last season so getting 10 points from the first four games (when we didn't actually play well) this season was no grounds on which to give him four years.
Extending Benteke's contract would have been fine
I agree. We lived a charmed life in 3 of those games.
Also, lest we forget, in that majestic four league game period, we also managed to get dumped out of the league cup. By Leyton Orient. At home.
I also seem to recall us having about 35% possession and zero shots on target at home to newcastle.
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I don't remember us leading a charmed life in the 3 wins. Liverpool created next to nothing, neither did Stoke, and Hull were totally outplayed for a hour and then had a late burst.
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I always had a private bet to see how many times he would say "brilliant" in a post match interview.
That used to drive me fucking nuts.
Also, how on earth could he keep a straight face, week after week telling the cameras he couldn't ask for any more from us, and we were excellent?
When you've just been firmly fucked in the face by Crystal Palace, having hardly had a shot on target, it isn't "brilliant". By definition, it can not be "brilliant"
I used to see his interviews and shudder every time he'd come out with that line. Saying we were excellent when we were actually embarrassing.
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We were utter gash against Orient though. Me and my mate, only half joking, said to each that it was a relief when they scored so as we could go home and not have to sit watching another half an hour of total shite.
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There used to be a lot of criticism of those who complained about his dour, mumbling press interviews either on the basis it was anti Scottish/anti working class or just irrelevant. I always used to think it was highly relevant if he was like that with the players. It's hardly a leadership style to inspire. Imagine him firing up a team at half time? His ridiculous catch phrase 'we go again' sums it up. There's a little independent record label called Fat Possum that puts out some rough basic blues bands no one will have heard of. It's logo is a fat possum crawling out of a bin and the words 'we're doing our best'. A half hearted and self deprecatory mission statement is great for a small alternative record label but not for a fiercely competitive football club.
I'll be most disappointed if Ruffles The Wonder Dog has never heard of it.
Thanks for the post. I watched the movie about this label the other night after seeing this post. Very fun. Cheers!
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I always had a private bet to see how many times he would say "brilliant" in a post match interview.
That used to drive me fucking nuts.
Also, how on earth could he keep a straight face, week after week telling the cameras he couldn't ask for any more from us, and we were excellent?
When you've just been firmly fucked in the face by Crystal Palace, having hardly had a shot on target, it isn't "brilliant". By definition, it can not be "brilliant"
I used to see his interviews and shudder every time he'd come out with that line. Saying we were excellent when we were actually embarrassing.
Thanks, you bastard.
Now I'm stuck with the image of Colin Wanker making "that face" just before I go to bed.