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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Gareth on May 14, 2015, 04:13:05 PM
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For the Tesco pitch invasion.
No mention if they get punished for the seat throwing....knowing the FA they'll probably award them compensation rather than punish them.
Anyone hear if the club / police caught or punished the invaders?
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Bastards
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I might be being a bit unreasonable here, but I would have pinging seats off children's heads was more serious than running onto a piece of grass.
Has Bill Howell commented yet? What about WM?
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Is the fine larger because it was seen on the telly?
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Presume Bournemouth and Reading will receive fines also?
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I wonder what the fines for all the other pitch invasions since will be, there's been at least 5-6 that I can think of. Of course they were all described as wonderful scenes so the answers pretty obvious already.
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What about the fans targeted by Albion players? And did anyone actually see a single Albion player "targeted"?
Dail Mail
Aston Villa have been fined £200,000 over the pitch invasion at the end of their FA Cup quarter-final win over West Brom that saw some Baggies players targeted by fans.
Villa admitted 'spectator misconduct' in relation to the game on March 7 after being charged by the Football Association with failing to ensure that no spectators or unauthorised persons were permitted to encroach onto the pitch area at Villa Park.
Following an Independent Regulatory Commission hearing, Villa have also been severely warned as to the club's future conduct.
Villa issued an apology after the match saying the victory had been "marred by the actions of those who could not control themselves".
After the game, West Brom boss Tony Pulis Pulis criticised the stewarding at Villa Park and said his players' safety was in jeopardy.
He said then: "It puts the players in danger and we don't want to see that. We were seeing it in the 1970s and 80s and we don't want to get back to that. I actually think Villa should look at the stewarding."
Some West Brom fans were also involved in incidents including a number of seats being ripped off and thrown onto the pitch.
The FA said in a statement: "Aston Villa have been fined £200,000 after admitting spectator misconduct in relation to their FA Cup Sixth Round tie against West Bromwich Albion on 7 March 2015.
"The club was charged for failing to ensure that no spectators or unauthorised persons were permitted to encroach onto the pitch area whilst attending the game at Villa Park.
"Following the Independent Regulatory Commission hearing, Aston Villa were also severely warned as to the club's future conduct."
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Warrington will be fucked when they get a fine for 200K
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29962863
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we should arrange to take a nice banner to the fa's showpiece.
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Man Utd will graciously accept their fine for their pitch invasion against Crystal Palace, I shouldn't wonder.
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I wonder how much the Beeb regret this post https://twitter.com/bbcmotd/status/530847552930070529
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I might be being a bit unreasonable here, but I would have pinging seats off children's heads was more serious than running onto a piece of grass.
Has Bill Howell commented yet? What about WM?
The FA are probably blaming the seat breaking/throwing on Villa's inadequate stewarding.
baggies' fans moaned about "over-zealous" stewards a few days before, but when they are given a little more leeway - allegedly - they break up seats and throw them at people.
Which makes complete sense, obviously!
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If I was Randy I'd just pay up, show the FA that the fine is a small price to pay in exchange for the spontaneous outburst of pleasure that thousands Villa fans enjoyed after beating the Albion.
A bit like Sting in Quadrophenia, when he got a hefty fine off the magistrate for his part in the deckchair chucking and he just whipped out his cheque book and said "I'll pay now if you don't mind"
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Im interested to know what exactly happens to this £200,000? Will it be put to a good use helping disabled kids to be able to take part in sport
or something like that or will it just go into the FA coffers and be forgotten.
I think the Prime Minister should ask this question in the House!
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Luckily, the prices the FA are charging for the final mean there will be sufficient funds to pay that off immediately. Well done, the FA. Well done.
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I wonder how much the Beeb regret this post https://twitter.com/bbcmotd/status/530847552930070529
Brad Gruzan @Brad_gruzan Mar 7
@BBCMOTD @theyellows Fuck the BBC, Fuck the BBC fuck the bbc fuck the bbc fuck the bbc !!!!!!
I really wish that was the real Brad.
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Not often I agree with Fear, but he's right about this:
The FA should now fine themselves for their incompetence over the FA Cup
A) 5:30 pm kick off... really? Fans drinking all day? How does that work out? No history, no heritage, no pride, no understanding of OUR game
B) 25 000 allocation to each club. Really? How do you think that has worked out? I'll tell you, tickets are selling online at £600 and more.
£200K is an absolute piss take.
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What about the "wonderful scenes" at Reading?
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And at Watford. And Bournemouth. And Preston.....
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Can we ask them to see their workings? Tossers.
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That fine is fucking ridiculous. If they don't leverage something hefty on those Stripy wankers after the behaviour of their players and fans the club should kick up a stink in the media.
And if they don't, I will on behalf of AVST.
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It's a bit steep that, how on earth are they going to apply that level of fine to smaller clubs if and when it happens? I appreciate we had a mini-celebratory invasion before the full-time whistle went but we've all seen that after goals in the early rounds.
Let's see what Reading get, as their pitch invasion included throwing a flare into the Bradford fans.
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Fans run on the pitch in celebration = £200K fine
Fans trash the concourse of the upper North, abuse and attack catering staff, throw seats injuring fans including their own, players provoke opposition fans = Sweet FA
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The club really need to come out swinging this time. They let the Olbiyun get away with murder after that match.
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I presume the fine is for the pitch invasion during the game, which whilst fair enough, is far too much. How much was Millwall's fine for throwing bottles onto the pitch again?
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The FA's showpiece occasion seems the perfect opportunity to have our say on this, kick-off times and (especially) cup final ticket allocation and prices. And Mark Lawrenson and Jonathan Pearce of course.
Any suggestions?
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What about the fans targeted by Albion players? And did anyone actually see a single Albion player "targeted"?
Dail Mail
After the game, West Brom boss Tony Pulis Pulis criticised the stewarding at Villa Park and said his players' safety was in jeopardy.
He said then: "It puts the players in danger and we don't want to see that. We were seeing it in the 1970s and 80s and we don't want to get back to that. I actually think Villa should look at the stewarding."
Talking of the 1970's, how's your playing style developing these days Tiny?
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And Swindon fans on the pitch on Monday night. £200K fine for them ???
I wouldn't of thought so.
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A teams players can abuse officials,cheat and inflict physical injury.A teams management and owners can lie and cheat...but oh no the F.A wouldn't wish to deal with such thorny issues. Along come AVFC with a spontaneous friendly pitch invasion and its a case of.." Book 'em Dano "..Yep we were a nice easy target. Wonder how many millions Blackpool will be fined?
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It's an absolute fucking disgrace.
BUT, the club didn't help themselves by issuing a grovelling apology to the Tesco's just after the event. It was like admitting guilt straight away.
The club should have been making a huge noise about the damage caused by their fans, rather than being too fucking nice about it.
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Agreed on that Andy. We didn't offer a whiff of resistance to them playing the media with the "woe is Olbiyun" line at any point. Now is the time to chalk up one all.
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What about Blackpool or the countless other pitch invasions? How about the Preston invasion where a player was attacked?
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Invoice the Baggies for £200k due to the damage to the ground, facilities, first aid administered and compensation to fans injured from flying seats, and the ongoing cleaning process removing the stench of their inbred fans infecting our magnificent stadium. Eye for an eye.
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We should have just racially abused all their players*. The fine would have been about £20K then.
*We shouldn't really, just making a point.
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I reckon this is sabre rattling and will be quietly squashed if we appeal.
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They cannot simply ignore all of the other pitch invasions - for whatever reason - if they are making a point about a particular pitch invasion as some kind of precedent! Which they seem to be doing.
Bonkers!
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£200000 I don't give a shit. We smashed smethwick and walked on into the semi and now the final.... Priceless😋
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UNFAIR
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We should have just racially abused all their players*. The fine would have been about £20K then.
*We shouldn't really, just making a point.
Exactly what I thought though.
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If they want to fine us fair enough. But they better do exactly the same wherever else it occurs. And we know they won't. Wankers
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Hope they go back in time and fine Hereford , Liverpool, Everton and West Ham for Wembley, Bloose against us, Manchester City home fa cup tie against Spurs etc etc total lunacy by the FA.
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I haven't got a problem with the fine, it's just so excessive.
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It just goes to confirm what we already know. That the F.A are wank.totally and utterly wank.They are a great pile of steaming wank. Fuckin completely wank.All in all a useless organisation of total wank.
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We just need a suitable song which mocks the FA - which we can all sing as the Villa do a lap of honour with the cup. The FA have probably improved our chances of winning - as it will put them in an awkward position when they tie the claret and blue ribbons to the cup.
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Absolute hypocrisy and double standards. They hype up the magic of the cup and what it means to the fans, then when we give them evidence they can't run away quick enough.
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2 questions .
Is the fine for the invasion during the game ?
Where does that £200,000 actually go and how is it spent ?
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Agreed. We made your cup important again. Thanks for the thanks we got for it.
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2 questions .
Is the fine for the invasion during the game ?
Where does that £200,000 actually go and how is it spent ?
Regarding question no 1, if the other clubs do not get fined, then it must be.
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All because the BBC put an hysterical prick behind a microphone.
This was a celebratory pitch invasion, something the BBC has portrayed as a positive thing for as long as I can remember - right back to the West Indies tour in 1964. The only evidence of assault is by Smethwick players on fans who were showing no interest in them whatsoever. The only serious threat to safety came from broken seats whistling through the air - from Smethwick fans.
Risso is right. Racism 1 Selfies 0
At the end of it all I am more annoyed by the club than anything. It was stupid and wrong to apologise after the game. We should have fought the tribunal on the grounds of natural justice if nothing else - ad there is plenty of else. What is more we should appeal the decision and the fine with gusto. The FA is in no position to fight a muckrake fest. Neither is the BBC for that matter.
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I hope that fine doesn't prevent us from pressure washing the north stand this summer
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At the end of it all I am more annoyed by the club than anything. It was stupid and wrong to apologise after the game. We should have fought the tribunal on the grounds of natural justice if nothing else - ad there is plenty of else. What is more we should appeal the decision and the fine with gusto. The FA is in no position to fight a muckrake fest. Neither is the BBC for that matter.
Absolutely. We apologise for our fans - the Stripeys "accept" the apology and never say a word about theirs. From then on the narrative was set; we were at fault and they were blameless. They run rings round us in the media and they have for years.
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It's small beans compared to the money this Cup run has generated; we should pay it with grace.
That'll fuck the FA in future as such a large fine sets a standard they'll struggle to keep in sync with.
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As somebody else commented, it will be interesting to see what happens to Blackpool after their match was abandoned.
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Again, is the fine for a pitch invasion during the match , rather than after the final whistle ?
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Again, is the fine for a pitch invasion during the match , rather than after the final whistle ?
It wasn't an F A competition, it was a Football League game.
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Again, is the fine for a pitch invasion during the match , rather than after the final whistle ?
It wasn't an F A competition, it was a Football League game.
The Football League are still under the auspices of the FA so I believe, although I'm not certain, that the FA would charge them.
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I'm not sure about the size of the fine but do actually think a reprimand was needed for fans being on the pitch before FT.
From what I saw it was good natured but I'd be pissed off if the opposition fans did it when we needed to get back in a game.
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Manure most owe the FA millions for the amount of times their wanker fans have been on the VP pitch during a game over the last decade or so.
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That's the only logical difference I can see, it was before full time and we deserve something for that. Oh and the hysterical pricks on MOTD on prime time Saturday TV.
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FA=Fucking Arseholes
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As somebody else commented, it will be interesting to see what happens to Blackpool after their match was abandoned.
They've been given a point, which for them is a bonus!
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Why are fans prohibited from going on to the pitch. Firstly it is so as not to endanger the players and officials and secondly so as not to incite trouble with opposition supporters. Whether it happens during the game or after the match has finished and before the players and officials have left the pitch, the risks are still the same.
Villa should wait until after the cup final, wait and see what happens to other clubs and appeal. Has there been a precedent for a fine of this magnitude or a warning what the fine would be for something similar that did not cause harm to any players or officials or incite trouble. It would appear as though the level of fine represents what could have happened, not what actually happened.
The appeal should be on the grounds of unreasonableness of the magnitude of the fine. If the response from the FA is that the level of fine is because Aston Villa is a richer club than those further down the leagues, then could you not argue that Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea should all be fined more than, say, Aston Villa in the future. You start treading on dangerous ground when fines are based on who you are and not on what the offense is.
I agree that as a club we should be fined relative to what actually happened but the thing that gets me is that it appears that nothing is being done about the Albion fans who caused criminal damage and risked serious injury by throwing seats.
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This all gets even more ridiculous when you read that it's a record fine for crowd disturbances (previous highest £115k to West Ham, v Millwall in 2010). We are clearly also being blamed fully for the seat throwing by away fans.
Having pleaded guilty to the charge our wet blanket of a club have been walked all over and left no room for appeal, unless they can appeal the size of the fine.
Without taking away the enjoyment of watching and supporting our team at the cup final we have to backlash against this on the day, be it chants, banners, or giving Greg Dyke and FA dignitaries dogs abuse during the pre-game formalities (as Leeds did with the Football League's Malwhinney in their Wembley play-off final).
We get robbed with the ticket prices and size of the allocation and now this.
£80 or £110 for a kid's ticket to the final.
£200k for generating a bit of passion in the competition.
F*** all for throwing seats at women and children.
Priceless. Mugged.
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I really hope the club don't take this lying down. We've been royally screwed from word go on this.
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Manure most owe the FA millions for the amount of times their wanker fans have been on the VP pitch during a game over the last decade or so.
Still remember the toxic atmosphere they created at the Villa Park 3rd round 2002 tie and the complete media blackout. Wankers.
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The size of the fine is totally linked to the level of hysteria generated by Pearce & Lawrenson. Pearce didn't get a fact right all night & only starting stringing coherent sentences at the time of the first invasion.
Good job they didn't handle the 1966 World Cup Final.
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I can't help thinking that the whole thing was precipitated by the hysterical over egging from three chinned drama queen Jonathan Pearce and his pathetic, ignorant and utter fucking twat of a co-commentator.
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I can't help thinking that the whole thing was precipitated by the hysterical over egging from three chinned drama queen Jonathan Pearce and his pathetic, ignorant and utter fucking twat of a co-commentator.
Without a doubt. That and the Stripeys being better at the media than we are.
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I haven't been to many games over the last 10 years. 4 or 5 a season, always travelling up with son since he was the age of about seven. He always enjoyed his day out with dad, visiting Villa Park, and meeting family he would not otherwise meet. But with the tedium of the MON years, and the utter dross thereafter, he never really discovered why being a football fan in general, and a Villa fan in particular, was special. He found out during that game, and the events after the whistle were a large part. OK he was spoiled and had a repeat experience 3 weeks later, but it is always the first time you remember. I bet there were many other thousands in a similar position, and for that £200k seems a small price to pay.
OK doesn't entirely detract from the total hypocrisy of the FA, but I would like to think we are getting our back by robbing them of their StevieG dream final.
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I assume the fine has been levied for a failure to have adequate stewarding and or policing at the ground, hence a culpability of a lack of protection to supporters who did not invade the pitch. I wonder if there has been a breach of Health and Safety regulations but in any case the FA have set a precedent and should ( but I doubt if they will) treat any other pitch invasions in the same way.
I think I could deal with the fine if it was paid to Acorns rather than improving the profit margin at the FA. I also hope that the various exuberant pitch invasions are not used to argue against safe standing - I suspect ,however ,that they will be.
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"It's health and safety gone mad Stew".
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At the end of it all I am more annoyed by the club than anything. It was stupid and wrong to apologise after the game. We should have fought the tribunal on the grounds of natural justice if nothing else - ad there is plenty of else. What is more we should appeal the decision and the fine with gusto. The FA is in no position to fight a muckrake fest. Neither is the BBC for that matter.
Absolutely. We apologise for our fans - the Stripeys "accept" the apology and never say a word about theirs. From then on the narrative was set; we were at fault and they were blameless. They run rings round us in the media and they have for years.
I think considering the amount of stick we got (from ignorant twats like Lawrenson and Mcnulty to name but two) and the fact that the game was stopped, we had to apologise in some form or another. We couldn't just sit back and say nothing, although bearing in mind the size of the fine, we might as well have done.
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The defense from Albion fans is that the seat throwing was unpunished as it was provoked by the pitch invasion.........
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Although, I agree that the fine is probably a bit disproportionate, and that there should have been some kind of retribution for the seat-throwing too, I do quite like the fact that we came out and apologised immediately. It's a sign on class and integrity and is what separates us from them.
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The defense from Albion fans is that the seat throwing was unpunished as it was provoked by the pitch invasion.........
They were throwing seats before the invasion.
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Although, I agree that the fine is probably a bit disproportionate, and that there should have been some kind of retribution for the seat-throwing too, I do quite like the fact that we came out and apologised immediately. It's a sign on class and integrity and is what separates us from them.
I get that. A bit like a 'nothing to see here, we'll just sweep this under the carpet and move on. We're better than that.'
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Apparently Albion won't be fined for the seat throwing as we were the host club. So away fans are innocent, then?
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Although, I agree that the fine is probably a bit disproportionate, and that there should have been some kind of retribution for the seat-throwing too, I do quite like the fact that we came out and apologised immediately. It's a sign on class and integrity and is what separates us from them.
I get that. A bit like a 'nothing to see here, we'll just sweep this under the carpet and move on. We're better than that.'
Exactly. It reminds me off the General's quote about getting down in the mud and wrestling with pigs.
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I was watching the Preston game where a player was attacked during their pitch invasion, and have watched the footage of the attack in some detail too - the footage is far better than any of our alleged assaults on players, and individuals can clearly be identified. I am sure they will be dealt with INDIVIDUALLY.
The interesting part is that there were repeated announcements during the later stages of the Preston game, whilst fans gathered towards the front of the stands, that fans should not go onto the pitch.
Then, as they started to come over the barriers and stand in the edge of the pitch, an announcement reminded fans that the referee was within rights to stop or abandon the game if they did not go back. This particular announcement creates a master stroke line of defence - putting the onus on the referee rather than the club. The referee played on with fans standing virtually on the touch line, having been reminded of HIS responsibility to crowd order by the club.
This is where Villa failed - not one tannoy asking fans to stay off the pitch, or behind the barriers at any point, with minor incursions from early in the game. That's where we cocked up.
Also - in both pitch invasions it is really clear, that when a pitch invasion at the final whistle is clearly becoming unavoidable, stewards should be deployed to escort opposition players off the pitch as quickly as possible, not vaguely flap at invading fans to try and look like they are doing something.
Still ridiculous though!
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I hope we register a protest through the medium of winning their damn trophy at the end of the month then lording it up in the following days and weeks. That will learn them.
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I think the FA knows its our year, so are looking to claw back some of their prize money.
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I can't help thinking that the whole thing was precipitated by the hysterical over egging from three chinned drama queen Jonathan Pearce and his pathetic, ignorant and utter fucking twat of a co-commentator.
Without a doubt. That and the Stripeys being better at the media than we are.
I agree but only up to a point. The Albion have used the media, but so have we, and to different ends. they have been successful in presenting themselves as the happy go lucky cheeky chappy club. They have employed (not in terms of paid employment) their celebrities to promote that image of them - whether its a gurning Chiles next to an inane grinning Frank Skinner or just the media jumping and down over the now devoid boing boing. But that's just it. They are presenting themselves as a Barnsley, or a Burnley and that they're going to enjoy themselves whilst they're in the big league. Its no more than that.
Now turning to us and our raison d'etre is completely different. We use the media to put across what we need. We can do better, yes, but how often have we commented on the odd dispatch from the press office being a touch of 'class'. We don't need to get into a war of words with smaller clubs. We're presenting ourselves as the big club and as the big club we have a responsibility. Would the managers of Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea etc etc worry about stewarding if they had lost against us in a highly-charged game? No. because they're used to it. Pulis made his club sound even more small time by making them sound scared by events. like they can only deal with being in a crowd of 20 000. We just apologised after the event and left it at that. As much as because its what big clubs do - 'We apologise for any problems our excited fans caused you'. And have left it at that.
The fine is excessive. Without a shadow of a doubt. But seeing how often the club has been carpetted because of a failure to control players (not FA I know but if a club is repeatedly hauled up in front of disciplinary panels of whatever persuasion it gets you noticed), that the first pitch encroachment took place before the final whistle and instead of getting straight back off more and more came on, and because of the response from the media and Albion milking it, it seemed we were going to be taken to the cleaners. Its interesting to see (I haven't seen the news since 9 this morning so not sure if this has changed) that the club have yet to make a response to this yet. let it sink in and consider your options before your reply. The club must have asked for the fine to be explained fully but again we don't seem to air our dirty linen in public so we will see.
There are precedents for pitch encroachments so the FA need to be able to justify £200 000. But will we want to do it now? Go public? At this point in the season? Do we want that distraction? I think we've played it well to date but we need to make sure we cannot allow the FA to walk over us.
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Now turning to us and our raison d'etre is completely different. We use the media to put across what we need. We can do better, yes, but how often have we commented on the odd dispatch from the press office being a touch of 'class'. We don't need to get into a war of words with smaller clubs. We're presenting ourselves as the big club and as the big club we have a responsibility. Would the managers of Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea etc etc worry about stewarding if they had lost against us in a highly-charged game? No. because they're used to it. Pulis made his club sound even more small time by making them sound scared by events. like they can only deal with being in a crowd of 20 000. We just apologised after the event and left it at that. As much as because its what big clubs do - 'We apologise for any problems our excited fans caused you'. And have left it at that.
And in doing so made our supporters out to be the bad guys and our stewarding of matches incompetent. Our media relations are abysmal and always have been; we let the local media walk all over us and the national ignore us.
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And in doing so made our supporters out to be the bad guys and our stewarding of matches incompetent. Our media relations are abysmal and always have been; we let the local media walk all over us and the national ignore us.
Well said. Do we even have a head of media now? Some of the stuff written for the club website suggests we have a media studies student on day release from college doing it.
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The local media ignore us because they could never get interviews with randy Lerner. That, I agree, needs to be put right. But the national media aren't ignoring us now. our performances and becoming a middle of the road team and a club seemingly in a malaise led to us being ignored. But if a club hell bent and just surviving does nothing of note the media ignore them to a degree. We weren't ignore under O'Neill, when the General put out soundbites, when we looked like we could have a team at the end of Lamert's first season and first couple fo games into the 2nd season, and now under Sherwood.
as for the supporters and stewarding thing I seriously doubt one of the top clubs would have done anything different and I think that's where we're pitching ourselves. We've just accepted responsibility for the encroachment and made no mention of anything else. We don't know what has or hasn't happened behind the scenes or what has or hasn't happened between the club and the Albion with regards to the damage. We've kept our counsel and are doing so for a reason.
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Pay up and say nothing.
When we win The Cup in just over two weeks, collect the trophy and walk off. We can do the lap of honour, the pitch celebration and all the photo opportunities back at the proper home of football in front of 40,000 claret and blue the next day. The losing Arsenal fans will be glad not to see it, the 40,000 neutrals at the game couldn't care less and the rich twats in the Club Wembley seats will probably be at Stevie Gs leaving do anyway.
Stuff The FA and stuff the new Wembley, we are Aston Villa and we virtually invented the game !
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The local media don't ignore us - WM and the Mail make that clear. The national media aren't taking much notice of us now and never have, even under O'Neill, although this is an improvement on the open season piss-ripping we endured earlier this year.
Have Manchester United ever even mentioned their supporter invasions? Do Liverpool? We haven't done this because we want to appear in some way above it - we've been shafted by a combination of FA hypocrisy and media agenda and in the latter aspect we only have ourselves to blame.
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I think we mentioned it only because we wanted to take responsibility and to soften the blow of any FA inquest. that clearly didn't happen.
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I think we mentioned it only because we wanted to take responsibility and to soften the blow of any FA inquest. that clearly didn't happen.
Exactly. We got stitched up; we said sorry for our supporters and the other lot ignored theirs.
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I think we mentioned it only because we wanted to take responsibility and to soften the blow of any FA inquest. that clearly didn't happen.
Plea bargaining ? How very American !
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I think we mentioned it only because we wanted to take responsibility and to soften the blow of any FA inquest. that clearly didn't happen.
That's my take on it to, and like you said, it failed.
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Mind you, what do you expect from an organisation that thinks nothing of charging £60 a ticket for a 6 year old?
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Don't forget, the reason there were hardly any stewards in front of the Holte by the end of the game is because loads of them were needed to stop the Albion in the lower Doug Ellis who were trying to climb over into the home section. I don't think they were trying to congratulate us on our win either.
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One word
Blackpool
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I think we mentioned it only because we wanted to take responsibility and to soften the blow of any FA inquest. that clearly didn't happen.
Exactly. We got stitched up; we said sorry for our supporters and the other lot ignored theirs.
No they didn't, didn't one of their "media representatives" ask us to send them the "bill" or some such words? But seriously the problem is it is always the Onus of the home team to Police / steward the whole ground. So their fans chucking seats is our fault. If they had invaded the pitch in a similar way I'm sure the fine would also come to us. The only way that could be changed is if teams sent their own stewards to exclusively look after their own fans and assume responsibility, however I'm sure this couldn't be done due to HS stuff. (I know they sometimes do get some stewards liaising, mostly with official travel, but those would still be under the responsibility of us whilst within the ground).
We were always going to be done for the pre whistle invasion. It did look bad on the TV pictures (and that is what the judging panel would go on) even without the BBCs over the top reactions. The match stream at the time was full of "Get off the pitch twats" comments and even the fans in the stadium were booing the few hundred on the pitch. We also definitely didn't help our own cause with our Captain saying "it was scary" and "I was bitten", or not challenging the roles of the WBA players when they said they were being attacked and were either provoking the fans or weren't even touched.
I think £200k is a stupid amount unless we had previous that they have taken into account, and have the FA announced Readings fine as they charged them the same time. But we should also ask and get an actual reply from the FA on why ourselves and Reading have been charged, yet the other covered invasions in the cup (and other matches) earlier on this year and after ours have not been treated the same way.
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No they didn't, didn't one of their "media representatives" ask us to send them the "bill" or some such words?
It was a Birmingham Mail reporter, which admittedly is much the same thing.
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No they didn't, didn't one of their "media representatives" ask us to send them the "bill" or some such words?
It was a Birmingham Mail reporter, which admittedly is much the same thing.
I know, was being slight facetious myself. Like you have in describing him as a reporter.
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I'm not sure if there is any kind of deadline in paying fine's like this, but would the club be within it's right to with-hold from paying it until they know how much Blackpool have been charged?
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there is usually a right to appeal or to have some form of redress so I'd wait and see. i think we'd rather than wait until after Saturday before commenting further, or if permitted, until after May 30th.
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Ask that fine fellow Cristiano Ronaldo to pay the fine for the Villa.
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I'm sure he already has
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This wouldn't have happened under a coalition government with a Villa fan as leader.
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Fuck it. I am still angry about this. Expect a very "robust" statement from the Trust on the matter.
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Having dwelled on the matter, 200,000 of these filled with coppers in a fleet of Securicor vans delivered to FA Headquarters would be my sensible, considered response.
(http://www.polypostalpackaging.co.uk/uploads/images/Coin%20Bags%20and%20Note%20Bags%20and%20Tamper%20Evident%20Bags/Captive%20Flap%20Printed%20No%20Mixed%20Coin%20Bags.JPG)
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We should 'accidently' lose the cup again.
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Don't forget, the reason there were hardly any stewards in front of the Holte by the end of the game is because loads of them were needed to stop the Albion in the lower Doug Ellis who were trying to climb over into the home section. I don't think they were trying to congratulate us on our win either.
Never mind our stewards, it's the Blackpool one's that need a talking to. They couldn't even stop a bloke on a mobility scooter.
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We do appear to be weak as piss at fighting our corner with the FA and media. I still think we are the only ones who have ever been done for tapping up another player.
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It sucks and I hate the FA & the BBC more than ever but lets be clear, its just the FA clawing back some of the prize money they had to pay us.
http://www.thefa.com/thefacup/more/prize-fund
We got 360K for winning that game (now 160k) plus an extra 900K for winning the semi. We will be getting at least another 900K even if we lose in the final.
We come out ahead so we should move on and just make yet another note that the FA & BBC sports really are a bunch of scumbags.
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I can't wait to see Greg Dyke's face when we rock up those stairs to take Stevie G's Cup away.
Twat
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Having dwelled on the matter, 200,000 of these filled with coppers in a fleet of Securicor vans delivered to FA Headquarters would be my sensible, considered response.
(http://www.polypostalpackaging.co.uk/uploads/images/Coin%20Bags%20and%20Note%20Bags%20and%20Tamper%20Evident%20Bags/Captive%20Flap%20Printed%20No%20Mixed%20Coin%20Bags.JPG)
I'll gladly donate 5 bags.
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Trust statement due out any minute and Fantastic Mr Fox is not impressed by the fine at all.
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I'm not fucking surprised, surely it sets a very dangerous precedent.
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Trust statement has also been sent to Head of PR at the FA demanding attention. Bit of an anger fuelled rant but fuck them.
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Big enough to make an example of, but not big enough to fight back.
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No more free tea and coffee for BBC commentators...
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Trust statement due out any minute and Fantastic Mr Fox is not impressed by the fine at all.
can you put the letter/statement on here? How do you know bout Fox's views?
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Trust statement due out any minute and Fantastic Mr Fox is not impressed by the fine at all.
can you put the letter/statement on here? How do you know bout Fox's views?
Have cheltenhamlion and Mr Fox ever been seen together in the same room?
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One word
Blackpool
Twelve words
Just about every club that's won promotion over the last few weeks.
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Trust statement due out any minute and Fantastic Mr Fox is not impressed by the fine at all.
can you put the letter/statement on here? How do you know bout Fox's views?
Have cheltenhamlion and Mr Fox ever been seen together in the same room?
Yes, but there's a super injunction preventing the photographs being published.
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Trust statement due out any minute and Fantastic Mr Fox is not impressed by the fine at all.
can you put the letter/statement on here? How do you know bout Fox's views?
Have cheltenhamlion and Mr Fox ever been seen together in the same room?
Yes, but there's a super injunction preventing the photographs being published.
We stepping into Paul Jewell - News of the World territory?
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Trust statement due out any minute and Fantastic Mr Fox is not impressed by the fine at all.
can you put the letter/statement on here? How do you know bout Fox's views?
Have cheltenhamlion and Mr Fox ever been seen together in the same room?
Yes, but there's a super injunction preventing the photographs being published.
We stepping into Paul Jewell - News of the World territory?
Jeez, that's a mental image I didn't want in my brain this close to bedtime.
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how is the nightmare scenes of the 80's at Boro tonight going to be handled by the football authorities?
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Can someone cleverer than me link the Trust statement?
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how is the nightmare scenes of the 80's at Boro tonight going to be handled by the football authorities?
Put it this way, the fine will dwarf the amounts the banks have had to set aside for PPI compensation. I'd imagine martial law can't be far off.
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Can someone cleverer than me link the Trust statement?
This?
http://villatrust.org.uk/?p=1280
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Can someone cleverer than me link the Trust statement?
This?
http://villatrust.org.uk/?p=1280
Well said, Villa Trust.
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Well said Villa Trust on behalf us all. Thank you.
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Well said the Trust and they could have gone on and on about several more events since that game including tonight by Boro fans. If £200k is the going rate then they better start handing out fines and the Football League needs to folllow suit on the name of consistency. I hope Villa have a response to al of this and not just The Trust.
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Anyone else think Matt Kendricks Tweet at the bottom of the article misses the point of it completely?
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Having dwelled on the matter, 200,000 of these filled with coppers in a fleet of Securicor vans delivered to FA Headquarters would be my sensible, considered response.
(http://www.polypostalpackaging.co.uk/uploads/images/Coin%20Bags%20and%20Note%20Bags%20and%20Tamper%20Evident%20Bags/Captive%20Flap%20Printed%20No%20Mixed%20Coin%20Bags.JPG)
Now that would be a good idea. The fans caused the problem and pay the FA on behalf of the club. That would be a massive statement and a put down for the FA at the same time. Could you imagine 200,000 bags of coppers being delivered to the FA.
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The bags of cash suggestion isn't as daft as it sounds. Over 25,000 of us are visiting the FA's headquarters in a couple of weeks time so we can deliver bags of cash in person. They're not going to allow us up to the offices themselves to hand them over but we could leave them just over the barriers beside the pitch at the front of the lower tier, or under our seats when we leave. Or we could have a Minute's Donation in say the 20th minute where we empty cash bags full of pennies all over the place.
Anyone not going could write a cheque out to "The FA Greed Fund" or "FA Rip off The Fans Fund" and post it to The Football Association, Wembley Stadium, PO Box 1966, London SW1P 9EQ.
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The bags of cash suggestion isn't as daft as it sounds. Over 25,000 of us are visiting the FA's headquarters in a couple of weeks time so we can deliver bags of cash in person. They're not going to allow us up to the offices themselves to hand them over but we could leave them just over the barriers beside the pitch at the front of the lower tier, or under our seats when we leave. Or we could have a Minute's Donation in say the 20th minute where we empty cash bags full of pennies all over the place.
Anyone not going could write a cheque out to "The FA Greed Fund" or "FA Rip off The Fans Fund" and post it to The Football Association, Wembley Stadium, PO Box 1966, London SW1P 9EQ.
imagine a pile of moneybags behind the goal.
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The bags of cash idea would be a protest but the fine would still be in place as , and I apologise for being the killjoy here, the method of payment is not legal tender. It would be a significant protest action but unlikely to be picked up by the media as they have already sided with the FA.
I would prefer if Villa made an offer to pay £200k to Acorns which would make the FA look the money grabbing organisation it truly is if they refused such an offer. The media would have to come to our side as well.
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The bags of cash idea would be a protest but the fine would still be in place as , and I apologise for being the killjoy here, the method of payment is not legal tender. It would be a significant protest action but unlikely to be picked up by the media as they have already sided with the FA.
I would prefer if Villa made an offer to pay £200k to Acorns which would make the FA look the money grabbing organisation it truly is if they refused such an offer. The media would have to come to our side as well.
I'm sure I read that fines are given as charity donations by the FA. So the £200k is given by the FA to charity.
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Can someone cleverer than me link the Trust statement?
This?
http://villatrust.org.uk/?p=1280
Well said Trust. And joined.
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I see the media have yet to mention the size of the fine and how unjust it is...
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Perhaps Aston Villa could publicly suggest to the FA that the money goes straight to Acorns.
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I see Boca Juniors got fine a smaller amount than us for some fans running onto the pitch and hospitalising River Plate players by spraying irritant into their eyes.
Mind you their stadium has been closed down for a few games and they were thrown out of the Libertadores.
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I think we should quietly pay the fine... and then bombard the FA and media with demands for similar treatment every time another club's fans run on the pitch.
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Next season when we go to Smethwick, if our fans rip up seats and start throwing them and then run on the pitch, will it be just WBA that get fined. I bet a pound to a penny that we would be fined as well.
I know they say the home club is responsible but I thought they brought something in years ago to fine away teams if their fans caused trouble to try and eradicate what the likes of Leeds, Millwall, West Ham fans were doing.
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I posted this in the Bitters thread, but worth a mention here as well.
Oh and does anyone remember what a certain Mr Howell said about our pitch invasion?
A few days ago he wrote this about the 'great escape', not much condemnation going on there eh Bill.
Robson had asked the Albion fans not to come on to the pitch if they wanted their heroes to do a lap of honour. But the playing surface was quickly a sea of striped shirts as “The Lord’s My Shepherd’’ and the theme from The Great Escape echoed around the ground.
Robson emerged to be showered in champagne and admitted that “the gods were looking down on us”.
(http://i4.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article9259335.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/BP2115153.jpg)
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The hypocrisy knows no bounds does it with this one?
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Out of interest, how much did the blosers get fined for their hate fuelled pitch invasion after the League Cup QF?
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Out of interest, how much did the blosers get fined for their hate fuelled pitch invasion after the League Cup QF?
Would you believe £20k with another £20k suspended?
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They should bill that prick Lawrenson and his jacaynape partner Pearce. They multiplied the fine with their ridiculously embarrassing over reaction.
Have the sanctimonious Bitters been fined at all?
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I see the FA appointed a new CEO yesterday, Martin Glenn who went to St Francis of Assisi Comprehensive School in Aldridge, has worked in marketing at Cadbury's and supports Wolves.
"Putting fans first" is apparently top of his list. Good luck to him but the cynic in me doesn't expect to see cup final or semi-final tickets being any cheaper next year, allocations increased or anything ever sold at Wembley didn't make fans feel they were getting ripped off.
I also wonder if putting fans first also means putting them ahead of TV companies and their demands?