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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on May 06, 2015, 02:37:38 PM
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Villa Park, Saturday 9th May, 3pm.
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Win this please Villa and I think we're safe.
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Forget the drum
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Fat Sam with probably park the bus and hope for a draw. Tough game but reading KUMB their season seems to have fizzled out and the only remaining issue is whether Fat Sam will be offered a new contract.
1-0 Villa. Bacuna 82min
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Any chance of renaming the thread to Magnificent Aston Villa v David Cameron's West Ham Pre-Match Thread? :)
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Fat Sam will park the bus and double up on Benteke, creating space for Jack, Delph and Charlie to score. 3-1 Villa, with the threat of relegation becoming a distant ship's smoke on the horizon. Please.
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Forget the drum
The Everton game was the first time that I heard the drum.
Its really annoying and has to go.
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Fat Sam will park the bus and double up on Benteke, creating space for Jack, Delph and Charlie to score. 3-1 Villa, with the threat of relegation becoming a distant ship's smoke on the horizon. Please.
Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying
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Well spotted!
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First game in a while I've actually fancied us to win pre-match. 3-1 Villa and hopefully a hat-trick from the Beast.
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Still very nervous.
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It feels good to predict a Villa win and genuinely not just out of loyalty.
Villa 2-1
Benteke and Delph. Some big long ball bastard for them.
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5-1
A Sunderland moment
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Still very nervous.
Likewise. I think we'll play a lot of good football but only score one and they'll get a horrible goal from a corner. 1-1.
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Frustrating afternoon, 1-1.
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Still very nervous.
Still a big girl!
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This could be tougher than Everton as there is an expectancy that we will just roll them over, a tough 1-1 draw me thinks.
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This could be tougher than Everton as there is an expectancy that we will just roll them over, a tough 1-1 draw me thinks.
This is the kind of thing Villa do, unfortunately.
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If people thought Clatterburg was poor on saturday just wait till this week ........ its the clown Lee Mason , just a recent example he showed Gabby the red against Man Utd only for it to be overturned
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The same application, the same desire, the same will, the same game plan, the same attitude, the same backing from us = the same outcome.
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If people thought Clatterburg was poor on saturday just wait till this week ........ its the clown Lee Mason , just a recent example he showed Gabby the red against Man Utd only for it to be overturned
Oh dear Lord...
Well we beat 12-man Everton so 2-0 for the Lions with Super Jack to break his duck
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Play like we have done these last few games and I think we'll win 2-0. Benteke and Delph scoring.
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I've still not forgotten that cup quarter final in 1980.
Villa 4 CheatingCockneyBastards 0
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Whats news on Gabby?
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A good 3-1 win and we can sit back, light our pipes and begin to think of FA Cup glory. Shame West Brom have got the inept geordie scum to play, we need them to win which puts the mockers on our chance of finishing higher than them in the league.
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3-1 Benteke 2 and Delph.
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I think it will be a scrappy game as West Ham drag down Villa's beautiful game to their level. No idea about the result. Big Sam is no fool. Nervous again.
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1-1 Don't expect wonders its too much to ask. I think it's about time Jack Grealish scored or at least threatened the goalie!
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4-0 Benteke with the trick, Grealish with his first, shirt thrown into the stands, yellow card and nobody will care
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We stuffed them at this stage in 1987. Same result. 4-0 to Villa.
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I doubt anyone stuck a grand on us to win all 3 games and share it with the players this time though.
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I don't really need to comment, Jimbo will no doubt get to the crux of the matter
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I reckon 2-1 Villa.
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Fat Sam will park the bus and double up on Benteke, creating space for Jack, Delph and Charlie to score. 3-1 Villa, with the threat of relegation becoming a distant ship's smoke on the horizon. Please.
Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying
Let's hope come 5pm we've comfortably won.
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Fack the fackers.
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Fack the fackers.
Here here
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Fat Sam will park the bus and double up on Benteke, creating space for Jack, Delph and Charlie to score. 3-1 Villa, with the threat of relegation becoming a distant ship's smoke on the horizon. Please.
Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying
Let's hope come 5pm we've comfortably won.
*applause*
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Only team set up decision for me is gabby or nzogbia (if gabby is fit)
I'd probably keep zoggy in
Do have a sense Sam may park the bus and we could always concede a stupid goal from a set piece.
But they're short of some of their best players and I reckon we'll have too much for them still.
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Nolan will score for them.
We will score more.
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Sakho, Carroll and Reid out for them is good. Valencia is the threat imo.
I'm a bit cautious of this one as we don't often do back-to-back home wins, think it may end up a draw, maybe even 0-0 if Big Sam has his way coupled with the Beast having an off day which he's probably due.
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I genuinely think we'll twat them, 4 goals or upwards.
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2-0 VILLA WIN :-)
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oh Paul where for art thou, if you where here, we'd all know the score, before the ko. we'd scrape a draw or more likely get stuffed.
As it is chances are weve got a better than average chance of taking camerons 11 apart,
Villa quite a few few v whu less
UTV
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Fat Sam will park the bus and double up on Benteke, creating space for Jack, Delph and Charlie to score. 3-1 Villa, with the threat of relegation becoming a distant ship's smoke on the horizon. Please.
Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying
When I was a child I had a fever
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Fat Sam will park the bus and double up on Benteke, creating space for Jack, Delph and Charlie to score. 3-1 Villa, with the threat of relegation becoming a distant ship's smoke on the horizon. Please.
Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying
Let's hope come 5pm we've comfortably won.
*applause*
...Followed by Tim giving us a rendition of the greatest guitar solo ever.....
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2-0 Grealish, Benteke.
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Fat Sam will park the bus and double up on Benteke, creating space for Jack, Delph and Charlie to score. 3-1 Villa, with the threat of relegation becoming a distant ship's smoke on the horizon. Please.
Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying
Let's hope come 5pm we've comfortably won.
*applause*
...Followed by Tim giving us a rendition of the greatest guitar solo ever.....
and me having a couple or three beers in Erdington (tbf that's going to happen any way, me having beers) did I mention I was going to Wembley.
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They only scored once v a Burnley team playing with 10 men for an hour and didn't score at all v QPR so I'd be disappointed if we ship 2 again.
Main threat will be from set plays as Big Sam will target Given no question particularly that cnut Nolan who always seems to score v us every season.
They also have a physical midfield in Song, Kouyate and Noble which is the type we tend to struggle against. Think Grealish's ankles will get something attention in this one!
On the plus side Benteke in this form gives any defence in the world a tough game and West Ham have been playing an 18 year old alongside Collins in the last few games, Reece Burke.
Could be 1-1 but I'll go for 2-1 win and with Sunderland losing to Everton, all but safe.
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I always thought that about Nolan so I decided to be a sad git and see just how often he does score against us. He's scored in 3 of his last 14 games against us going back to 2005, two of them were 2 goal games though. I got bored so he may smacked a load in before that! Funny how most of us would have Nolan as scoring against us on a regular basis when in reality, he doesn't.
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Draw. We don't back up good results, so I am going draw.
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They only scored once v a Burnley team playing with 10 men for an hour and didn't score at all v QPR so I'd be disappointed if we ship 2 again.
Main threat will be from set plays as Big Sam will target Given no question particularly that cnut Nolan who always seems to score v us every season.
They also have a physical midfield in Song, Kouyate and Noble which is the type we tend to struggle against. Think Grealish's ankles will get something attention in this one!
On the plus side Benteke in this form gives any defence in the world a tough game and West Ham have been playing an 18 year old alongside Collins in the last few games, Reece Burke.
Could be 1-1 but I'll go for 2-1 win and with Sunderland losing to Everton, all but safe.
Given should not be in the side against a Sam team. Should be Guzan. And Senderos if fully fit alongside Vlaar for the inevitable high ball.
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West Ham are in awful form and could only just scrap a win against Burnley. We are much stronger at home since Sherwood took over and have managed to string two very good performances together so should be very confident. I think the manager will be drilling it into them the importance of making sure of safety as so as possible and to eliminate any lingering doubts of the going down dragging on. 2-0 Villa. Will also go Grealish and Benteke. :)
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Someone mentioned WHU had midfield, they can be no worse than the cheating Scouse bastards last week, but I predicted Villa to do things the Villa way, beat Everton and we will probably drop 2 points to these tossers.
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Everything points to a Villa win.
Playing well, scoring goals with real attacking intent and a Manager that quickly proving his doubters wrong with his astute tactical decisions and motivation of underperforming players.
All against a team that looks to have mentally clocked off against an unimaginative Manager whose teams are predictable in their approach.
We won't win. 2-2.
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Forget the drum
The Everton game was the first time that I heard the drum.
Its really annoying and has to go.
We couldn't hear the drum in the North Stand!
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Forget the drum
The Everton game was the first time that I heard the drum.
Its really annoying and has to go.
Surprised that nobody has had a quiet word with the Drum Man like " If I hear that fkin thing again you will be wearing it"
We couldn't hear the drum in the North Stand!
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Everything points to a Villa win.
Playing well, scoring goals with real attacking intent and a Manager that quickly proving his doubters wrong with his astute tactical decisions and motivation of underperforming players.
All against a team that looks to have mentally clocked off against an unimaginative Manager whose teams are predictable in their approach.
We won't win. 2-2.
That's my worry to. There's nothing wrong with being confident obviously but I hope we're not too overconfident.
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We stuffed them at this stage in 1987. Same result. 4-0 to Villa.
My 2nd trip to Villa Park was that day.
Glorious result for a very happy 11 year old me.
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Loving the references in here chaps.
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Tim Sherwood has confirmed that Gabby Agbonlahor is available for selection this weekend against West Ham.
Agbonlahor missed the matches against Liverpool and Everton due to a hamstring injury picked up on the eve of the FA Cup semi-final.
But Agbonlahor, who enjoyed light training last week in the run-up to the Toffees match, is now working full-time with the first team as they gear up for the Hammers clash.
Sherwood revealed Agbonlahor would see action on Saturday but refused to say whether the long-serving striker would be in his starting XI.
He said: "Gabby is back in training. He will be available for selection. That's a plus for us.
"There are no other worries. We are as healthy as we have been.
"Gabby will get some game-time. Whether it is from the start remains to be seen. But he will get game-time on Saturday.
"His return puts us in good stead for the remaining matches.
"The team is not picked yet. Everyone still has an opportunity.
"It's not only picked on what they have done in previous game, it's also picked on what they have done during the week. They are always on trial.
"Everyone gets judged on a level playing field and the boys who have the shirt at the moment are in possession.
"It's up to the other boys to wrestle them off them.
"No-one is automatic. There is not a player here who is automatic first choice. They are know that - and respect that."
Sherwood also revealed that Ciaran Clark and Nathan Baker remain absent for the weekend clash.
But the boss is happy that the injury situation is not as clinical as it has been previously.
He added: "We are still struggling at centre-half with Ciaran and Nathan still missing but we seem to be getting bodies back.
"Obviously Alan got game-time in the last game. It's good to have him back. There's Scott too.
"These guys are all back in the squad now. We're looking healthier but as I said, in the centre of defence, there are only three.
"But we will just get on with it. We soldiered on with it before for a period of time and we now have three more games to go and then a cup final.
"But it's encouraging that we have more lads out there on the training field."
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I agree given could be a weak link. Luckily they don't have sakho or Carroll though
Our midfield three means we should be able to compete physically and better them technically
Confident for once
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Just seen an interview with TS . He wants us to play our part and guarantees that he will do his. Also Gabby will play a role .
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I'm coming up fr darn sarf for the game so hoping for a similar performance to Everton
West Ham played an 18 yr old at centre back last week. I reckon benteke is gonna be my fantasy football captain this week
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2-0 win
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Will Tony Adams be fit to play for us?
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The half and half scarves could be confusing this week
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If Benteke plays well, we win. Can't see big Sam giving our three in midfield a spare man this weekend but we should do it if we have same attitude and tempo as last week. 3-2 to the Villa.
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3-0 Benteke, Vlaar and Super Jack at the Holte in the last few mins.
Job done & we can all enjoy the build up to the final.
UTV!!
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2 nil home win
Benteke, Grealish
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The half and half scarves could be confusing this week
;D
UTV
The Doc
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Go two goals up, concede a goal and have a nail biting time until the ref blows up with about 97 minutes on the clock.
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Massive game this in more ways than one.
Losers get to keep Cameron.
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4 0
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Sunderland lose
Villa win
Reggae/Ska knees up at the social after
Let's do it
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Will be even sweeter to stick it up Cameron's lot now.
3-0 Villa.
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Win please Villa.
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Always worry when we play a Fat Sam team as they usually are pretty good at set pieces. 2-1 to us just.
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Massive game this in more ways than one.
Losers get to keep Cameron.
One wishes! I just wonder if the pink blancmange-face word removed and his fellow Eton tosspots were to turn up and to finally decide which jolly-old team they 'support' in claret and blue they would get the welcome they surely deserve. As a beneficiary, for my first few decades, of post-war Labour public services and one-nation Toryism (even Churchill believed that the NHS was sacrosanct!) and as someone whose Villa origins go back to my birth in an Upper Thomas Street, Aston slum, the thought of these toff 'fans' nauseates me.
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Getting excited early now, come on the Villans!
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2-0 Grealish, Gabby
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West Ham on course to get into the Europa League, as long as they don't rack up too many yellow cards. If that's not an excuse to give the ball to Jack and tell him to run at them, then I don't know what is.
Fair Play Linky (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/may/08/west-ham-europa-league-fair-play-uefa-everton)
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Massive game this in more ways than one.
Losers get to keep Cameron.
One wishes! I just wonder if the pink blancmange-face word removed and his fellow Eton tosspots were to turn up and to finally decide which jolly-old team they 'support' in claret and blue they would get the welcome they surely deserve. As a beneficiary, for my first few decades, of post-war Labour public services and one-nation Toryism (even Churchill believed that the NHS was sacrosanct!) and as someone whose Villa origins go back to my birth in an Upper Thomas Street, Aston slum, the thought of these toff 'fans' nauseates me.
Nice one spartacuss!
My cousin used to live in Upper Thomas Street!
I always thought it was a bit posh!
(probably based on the outside lavvy being next to the house whereas ours was a 10 yard sprint, through a gate and another 10 yard sprint away!)
I reckon Big Dave's Villa will have the edge over Squire Cameron's WHam!
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"Obviously Alan got game-time in the last game. It's good to have him back. There's Scott too.
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Who is Scott?
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"Obviously Alan got game-time in the last game. It's good to have him back. There's Scott too.
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Who is Scott?
Sinclair!
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I always thought that about Nolan so I decided to be a sad git and see just how often he does score against us. He's scored in 3 of his last 14 games against us going back to 2005, two of them were 2 goal games though. I got bored so he may smacked a load in before that! Funny how most of us would have Nolan as scoring against us on a regular basis when in reality, he doesn't.
He's scored more than that surely? He got 2 in the 6-0 Newcastle win didn't he, the winner on the opening day in 2012-13 and poached two at VP last season.
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Us 1 Them 1
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I always thought that about Nolan so I decided to be a sad git and see just how often he does score against us. He's scored in 3 of his last 14 games against us going back to 2005, two of them were 2 goal games though. I got bored so he may smacked a load in before that! Funny how most of us would have Nolan as scoring against us on a regular basis when in reality, he doesn't.
He's scored more than that surely? He got 2 in the 6-0 Newcastle win didn't he, the winner on the opening day in 2012-13 and poached two at VP last season.
He's scored seven in total.
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This really is a MUST win game.
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No it's not.
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QPR and Burnley have must win games. We don't.
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I think it is , in the sense if it goes to saints away it will probably go to burnley home which may then impact upon the Final preparations.
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It would be really useful to get 3pts tomorrow, and I hope to McGrath that we do...and I think we will; but it's not a must win and there's no reason why we can't win away at Southampton (they are the definition of an average team at the moment). Obviously we'd all prefer we were safe sooner rather than later, and the results of other games will help determine when that will happen.
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Rumour off KUMB:
"Heard tonight at the U21's that Collins is injured so Burke will definitely start and Josh Cullen is in the squad."
If true I just hope Benteke goes easy on the Burke.
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According to this site we've already played and it finished goalless, creeping over the line slowly :-\
(http://i57.tinypic.com/bgo39c.jpg)
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Rumour off KUMB:
"Heard tonight at the U21's that Collins is injured so Burke will definitely start and Josh Cullen is in the squad."
If true I just hope Benteke goes easy on the Burke.
I extended my condolences to the Burke family in the Benteke thread. Poor kid.
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Gone for a win. We need it more than the spammers and we've got sufficient quality and confidence to finish the job and prepare for Wembley (I hope!)
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Got a weird feeling about this game, nagging feeling we will be overly confident / blasé and come unstuck. It's been such an unorthodox season that I'm expecting a nasty surprise. I hope I'm wrong.
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Got a weird feeling about this game, nagging feeling we will be overly confident / blasé and come unstuck. It's been such an unorthodox season that I'm expecting a nasty surprise. I hope I'm wrong.
Ive got a feeling we are due a bad one.
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I have been totally fed up with fans over to my left celebrating far too often this season. Even the win last week resulted in two celebrations by the Everton fans. So I would love to see a match that ends in X-0 to us. So please Villa do the right thing today!
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According to this site we've already played and it finished goalless, creeping over the line slowly :-\
(http://i57.tinypic.com/bgo39c.jpg)
Haven't scored against them for the last 4 games!
Let's break that little sequence today, please.
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Got a weird feeling about this game, nagging feeling we will be overly confident / blasé and come unstuck. It's been such an unorthodox season that I'm expecting a nasty surprise. I hope I'm wrong.
We are playing with confidence now and you have to go into games believing you can win it.
Don't think Tim would let the lads be blasé.
Big Sam will want to win this game, so there's no chance of them being laid back about the game either.
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Got a weird feeling about this game, nagging feeling we will be overly confident / blasé and come unstuck. It's been such an unorthodox season that I'm expecting a nasty surprise. I hope I'm wrong.
Ive got a feeling we are due a bad one.
You two should get a room in the Heartbreak Hotel or man up. We're going to win today, and the world will be a better place for it.
I'm going to the gym now and when I get back, you two will be 100% confident. Is that clear?
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Roger that Des.
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Got a weird feeling about this game, nagging feeling we will be overly confident / blasé and come unstuck. It's been such an unorthodox season that I'm expecting a nasty surprise. I hope I'm wrong.
Ive got a feeling we are due a bad one.
Strength in unity brothers. Just 24hrs under the heel of the repressive regime that once again threatens to blight the joy from this once great nation, today we strike the first blow against the false "leader" of this land. We will hit him where it hurts most, by defeating his beloved football team!!
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Record-breaking time. Beeb website says we've not scored 3 or more in three consecutive home games since 1980! That's gotta go today.
I'll stick with my Everton prediction; wrong, but it worked. 4-1 us, Benteke twice, Hutton, Grealish, Devonshire for them.
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My last home game of the season. I'm convinced we'll batter them, so probably 0-0.
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The 0-0 away this season was absolutely bloody (Danny) dire. Having said that a point today wouldn't be a disaster!
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Prediction: Benteke Hattrick....relief, peace and going to bed tipsy and smiling ;D
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I'd go with this starting XI today.
Given
Hutton
Okore
Vlaar
Cissokho
Bacuna
Cleverley
Delph
Grealish
Agbonlahor
Benteke
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The 0-0 away this season was absolutely bloody (Danny) dire. Having said that a point today wouldn't be a disaster!
Didn't go this year. Was put off by last seasons 0-0 snore fest and the 4 hour shleck home.
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I'd go with this starting XI today.
Given
Hutton
Okore
Vlaar
Cissokho
Bacuna
Cleverley
Delph
Grealish
Agbonlahor
Benteke
Can't see too many changes myself. I think he'll keep Bacuna and Richardson in the side, as they offer a bit more going forward, which I reckon he is after from his full-backs. It will be interesting to see if any of those who have returned after being on will be on the bench (Bent, Gardner etc.)
Given
Bacuna Okore Vlaar Richardson
Westwood
Cleverley Delph
Grealish
Benteke N'Zogbia
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Possibly Gabby in for Nzogbia ? Probably Gabby bench though I'd imagine.
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I'd bench gabby. Give him 25 mins at the end . Think we have looked good without him but would run him out for the Burnley game for fitness for the final.
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I'd go with this starting XI today.
Given
Hutton
Okore
Vlaar
Cissokho
Bacuna
Cleverley
Delph
Grealish
Agbonlahor
Benteke
I wouldn't. Back four, yeah, "proper" fullbacks back in. But the Westwood/Sanchez-Delph-Cleverley combination gives us such a more solid base for us to play our football now, irrespective of opposition. N'Zogbia has, imo, been integral in us spending so much time around the other end's goal, so he'd start for me. Gabby, I just don't know now any more. I'd maybe bring him on for Grealish once we're looking safe and in control, same with Bacuna on for N'Zogbia.
So, in short, fullbacks aside, it'd be as you were, gentlemen.
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No disrespect but Sanchez needs to be nowhere near the 1st team today.
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Can't see too many changes myself. I think he'll keep Bacuna and Richardson in the side, as they offer a bit more going forward, which I reckon he is after from his full-backs. It will be interesting to see if any of those who have returned after being on will be on the bench (Bent, Gardner etc.)
Bent isn't back at the club. He's not eligible to play, so Tim said that he could go on holiday early.
Looks like Gary was only back in training with Villa yesterday, so I doubt that he'll be involved (even if he's eligible, which I'm not sure about)
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I'd bench gabby. Give him 25 mins at the end .
Impact sub should be Gabby's role going forward.
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Can't see too many changes myself. I think he'll keep Bacuna and Richardson in the side, as they offer a bit more going forward, which I reckon he is after from his full-backs. It will be interesting to see if any of those who have returned after being on will be on the bench (Bent, Gardner etc.)
Bent isn't back at the club. He's not eligible to play, so Tim said that he could go on holiday early.
Looks like Gary was only back in training with Villa yesterday, so I doubt that he'll be involved (even if he's eligible, which I'm not sure about)
Gardner can't play for us this season either.
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3-0 to the Villa
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It is just a question of how many daft goals we concede today as I am confident that we can score against anyone at the moment.
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The 0-0 away this season was absolutely bloody (Danny) dire. Having said that a point today wouldn't be a disaster!
Didn't go this year. Was put off by last seasons 0-0 snore fest and the 4 hour shleck home.
We won 3-2 there last season.
The 4 hour shleck home was no problem at all!
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Our team is now performing better than most in the prem, we don't concede no more "daft goals" than any one else in this league, last week that tool clattenberg gifted everton their two goals, no penalty, and Given was fouled for their second.
Villa 4 camerons team fuck all, unless the ref wants to give them a goal
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The 0-0 away this season was absolutely bloody (Danny) dire. Having said that a point today wouldn't be a disaster!
Didn't go this year. Was put off by last seasons 0-0 snore fest and the 4 hour shleck home.
We won 3-2 there last season.
The 4 hour shleck home was no problem at all!
I think you might be thinking of Soton? How we won that game is still beyond me. Great journey home though!
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The 0-0 away this season was absolutely bloody (Danny) dire. Having said that a point today wouldn't be a disaster!
Didn't go this year. Was put off by last seasons 0-0 snore fest and the 4 hour shleck home.
We won 3-2 there last season.
The 4 hour shleck home was no problem at all!
That was Saints. West Ham was 0-0.
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Did I just hear Le Saux on football focus claiming that Benteke has been carrying us the last couple of months?? Nob.
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3-1 home win . Benteke (2) Delph.