Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on May 06, 2015, 01:00:49 PM
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Caught about half an hour of an ITV4 programme last night called Football Mavericks, focusing on the flair players of (from what I saw) the '70s, like Tony Currie, Stan Bowles, Rodney Marsh, Frank Worthington, etc...
As it was just a bit before my time, got me wondering:
A) What memories any of you have of those players when they came to Villa Park
B) Should there have been any Villa players on there? (Little, Hamilton?)
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John Gidman
Simon Stainrod
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How did they define a "football maverick"?
All of those players were before my time, but weren't they all incredibly skilled and talented players, but who pissed it up the wall and ultimately had disappointing/underwhelming careers?
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Jimmy Greaves
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The only one i remember is Stan Bowles. The only thing I remember about it is the Holte serenading him to the tune of Clementine "Where's your wife gone Stanley Bowles."
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How did they define a "football maverick"?
All of those players were before my time, but weren't they all incredibly skilled and talented players, but who pissed it up the wall and ultimately had disappointing/underwhelming careers?
They were basically flash players, who liked to party, gamble etc too. Rodney Marsh basically admitted that Man City lost the league because they signed him eventhough they were top at the time, he wasn't interested in the team, it was all about him.
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The only one i remember is Stan Bowles. The only thing I remember about it is the Holte serenading him to the tune of Clementine "Where's your wife gone Stanley Bowles."
Like it was yesterday.
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Steve Claridge ?
runs away...
UTV
The Doc
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I like how they all seemed to blame Alf Ramsey or Don Revie for their lack of England caps. But, these managers won honours at international and club level and these so called mavericks never won much at their clubs. Maybe they should of been looking at their own so called pop star lifestyle instead of being bitter.
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duncan mackenzie
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1.
an unorthodox or independent-minded person.
"he's the maverick of the senate"
synonyms: individualist, nonconformist, free spirit, unorthodox person, unconventional person, original, trendsetter, bohemian, eccentric, outsider; More
antonyms: conformist
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I caught some of it, but got a bit bored and switched off.
Frank Worthington, who Private Eye once dubbed "The ridiculous sexual boaster" looked and sounded a bit spaced out I thought. I remember him playing for a non league team (can't remember which one) against Bromsgrove Rovers at the end of his career.
I think I'm right in recalling that Rodney Marsh once dropped his kecks in front of the Trinity, during a game.
Not sure why Chopper Harris was included in the programme. He was just an untalented thug, but most of the others were talented wasters.
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Dalian Atkinson...still waiting on the autobiog. He's probably too lazy to finish it.
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Robbie Savage... oh sorry I thought it said Football's Massive Pricks!
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duncan mackenzie
Good call. Bags of skill Mackenzie, wasn't flash at all, but not a team player in any way. A bit like Len Shackleton in the fifties I should think.
Excellent speaker, surprised we never saw him as a pundit.
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Robin Friday.
A hero to many modern MOTD viewers ;)
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None of those players mentioned could tie the laces of George Best.
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Caught about half an hour of an ITV4 programme last night called Football Mavericks, focusing on the flair players of (from what I saw) the '70s, like Tony Currie, Stan Bowles, Rodney Marsh, Frank Worthington, etc...
As it was just a bit before my time, got me wondering:
A) What memories any of you have of those players when they came to Villa Park
B) Should there have been any Villa players on there? (Little, Hamilton?)
Stan Bowles had a ridiculous ammount of close skill but was more interested in the turf accountants. He is well over sixty now and wont have changed. Robin Friday at Reading was renowned for his skill as well. Had problems off the field and died some time ago.
Worthington had class in abundance and a strange fixtation with Elvis. Top man therefore!
Chico was good but not on a regular basis.
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I watched it really enjoyed it.
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I remember a band in the 90's having a picture of a player called Robin Friday on one of their album covers. A bit of a character to say the least!
Edit - see he's already been mentioned!
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The only one i remember is Stan Bowles. The only thing I remember about it is the Holte serenading him to the tune of Clementine "Where's your wife gone Stanley Bowles."
With the milk man isn't it? Wasn't it? Marvellous.
I also remember "Where's your horse gone?" sung to Malcolm Macdonald on account of his absurdly bow-legged gait.
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I remember a band in the 90's having a picture of a player called Robin Friday on one of their album covers. A bit of a character to say the least!
Edit - see he's already been mentioned!
Super Furry Animals
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The only one i remember is Stan Bowles. The only thing I remember about it is the Holte serenading him to the tune of Clementine "Where's your wife gone Stanley Bowles."
Like it was yesterday.
I remember during the 2nd leg of 77 league cup semi final that the Holte End was in agreement that it was " with the milkman, with the milkman, with the milkman Stan,ey Bowles"
What innocent times!
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Those players mentioned were all knobs but, on their day they could be unplayable and it chokes me to say that.
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None of those players mentioned could tie the laces of George Best.
It's probably why they are mavericks, and Best was a legend who won stuff.
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Remember Wanky Worthington missing an open goal for Blues in front of the Holte the season after we won the EC - finished 0.0 as well I believe
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Steve Claridge ?
runs away...
UTV
The Doc
A total nonce.
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Burridge was definitely a maverick.
Chico Hamilton was slightly maverick.
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Caught about half an hour of an ITV4 programme last night called Football Mavericks, focusing on the flair players of (from what I saw) the '70s, like Tony Currie, Stan Bowles, Rodney Marsh, Frank Worthington, etc...
As it was just a bit before my time, got me wondering:
A) What memories any of you have of those players when they came to Villa Park
B) Should there have been any Villa players on there? (Little, Hamilton?)
Four good players, but real characters as well. The sergeant major national managers we had at the time wouldn't touch them on a regular basis
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Robin Friday.
A hero to many modern MOTD viewers ;)
Legend in his own lifetime. Nowhere near as good as bowles and Worthington etc as proven by his career
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This was the classic FW goal
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the Leatherhead Lip Chris kelly
Alahn Hudson
Tony Currie
Glen Hoddle
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Bowles didn't get much international action simply because he wasn't good enough. I wouldn't say that he could be called a maverick either. He was just a weak willed twat who couldn't stay out of the bookies. I can understand his wife's point of view entirely.
Tony Currie had a lot more about him than dainty feet and was genuinely hard done by in not getting picked more often for what at the time was a very poor England team.
Marsh did ok for ManCity up to a point. Their failure to win the title had more to do with Allison's insistence of shoehorning him into a team that he really didn't fit into.
Frank Worthington was/is a 24 carat maverick but he showed enough application on the pitch to warrant more caps. The dobbins that replaced him - Malcolm MacDonald, Stuart Pearson and the like - hardly set the international scene alight.
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Bowles didn't get much international action simply because he wasn't good enough. I wouldn't say that he could be called a maverick either. He was just a weak willed twat who couldn't stay out of the bookies. I can understand his wife's point of view entirely.
Tony Currie had a lot more about him than dainty feet and was genuinely hard done by in not getting picked more often for what at the time was a very poor England team.
Marsh did ok for ManCity up to a point. Their failure to win the title had more to do with Allison's insistence of shoehorning him into a team that he really didn't fit into.
Frank Worthington was/is a 24 carat maverick but he showed enough application on the pitch to warrant more caps. The dobbins that replaced him - Malcolm MacDonald, Stuart Pearson and the like - hardly set the international scene alight.
Agreed. Although I think Hudson was better than any of them
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Robin Friday.
A hero to many modern MOTD viewers ;)
Legend in his own lifetime. Nowhere near as good as bowles and Worthington etc as proven by his career
Wasn't suggesting he was any good!
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Robin Friday.
A hero to many modern MOTD viewers ;)
Legend in his own lifetime. Nowhere near as good as bowles and Worthington etc as proven by his career
Wasn't suggesting he was any good!
His book was a decent read
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That Worthington goal is incredible really. Messi or Ronaldo score one like that today and SSN would play it on repeat for 3 years.
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This was the classic FW goal
Might be hearing it wrong, but I'm sure it says "Allardyce's throw" at the start of that clip as a long throw is launched into the box. Would explain a lot.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, all rise for Chic Charnley. Then run away because it's Chic Charnley. Genius footballer and incredibly dirty player.
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Bowles didn't get much international action simply because he wasn't good enough. I wouldn't say that he could be called a maverick either. He was just a weak willed twat who couldn't stay out of the bookies. I can understand his wife's point of view entirely.
Tony Currie had a lot more about him than dainty feet and was genuinely hard done by in not getting picked more often for what at the time was a very poor England team.
Marsh did ok for ManCity up to a point. Their failure to win the title had more to do with Allison's insistence of shoehorning him into a team that he really didn't fit into.
Frank Worthington was/is a 24 carat maverick but he showed enough application on the pitch to warrant more caps. The dobbins that replaced him - Malcolm MacDonald, Stuart Pearson and the like - hardly set the international scene alight.
Agreed. Although I think Hudson was better than any of them
I agree with almost all of that assessment but I liked Stan Bowles the footballer. Alan Hudson was the classical midfield player with a range of silky skills that were a pleasure to watch. He was far more talented than Gasgoigne for instance without getting the same same false adulation.
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The Stan Bowles and Robin Friday books are two excellent football books. Two of the best I have read.
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The Stan Bowles and Robin Friday books are two excellent football books. Two of the best I have read.
The Stan Bowles one was particularly good but the best one I have read is the Trevor Ford autobiography 'I Lead the Attack'. Written in the fifties the great Welsh centre forward who played for us post second world war pulls no punches regarding the way football was run in those days.
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From wikipedia... "Following a number of incidents, on and off the field—including kicking Mark Lawrenson in the face mid-game— Robin Friday retired from football in December 1977, aged 25"
I like the cut of his jib.
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From wikipedia... "Following a number of incidents, on and off the field—including kicking Mark Lawrenson in the face mid-game— Robin Friday retired from football in December 1977, aged 25"
I like the cut of his jib.
It gets better..
"After receiving a red card, Friday left the ground with the game still going on; according to legend, before leaving he broke into the Brighton dressing room and defecated in Lawrenson's kit bag."
He'll do for me.
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Those players mentioned were all knobs but, on their day they could be unplayable and it chokes me to say that.
Is 'unplayable' a compliment or a criticism?
People use the word as if a footballers good but i read/hear it as they're shit?
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For younger Villa fans who never saw these 'football mavericks' and wonder who they could be compared with nowadays, think Adel Taarabt. Talented but flawed individuals, occasionally brilliant but more often inconsistent and ultimately disappointing.
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This was the classic FW goal
It's that good that the ref is clapping as he trots back to the halfway line.
Might be hearing it wrong, but I'm sure it says "Allardyce's throw" at the start of that clip as a long throw is launched into the box. Would explain a lot.
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I recall we were linked with Robin Friday in Ron Saunders's first season, not that RS was one for mavericks.