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Title: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Malandro on May 03, 2015, 01:02:01 PM
As we have another shame thread, who thought we should have appointed Pulis?

I'm embarrassed to say I did but then we did look doomed at the time. That man could probably get a new job every jan/February if he wanted.

In my defence I thought he'd be good as a temporary appointment.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: dekko on May 03, 2015, 01:03:40 PM
*Raises hand*

He would've kept us up too.  Obviously I'm happier the way it worked out.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Risso on May 03, 2015, 01:11:34 PM
Nothing to confess here really, he would have done a better job than Lambert.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 03, 2015, 01:13:59 PM
Nothing to confess here really, he would have done a better job than Lambert.

Yep, no doubt. Beyond keeping us up we'd have been left with years of lumping it forward horrible football. I was advocating Allardyce because the football would have been better and there would have been a little more creativity in the transfer market.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 03, 2015, 01:15:29 PM
Short term Pulis would've had us on as many points as Sherwood has imo.

Long term I'm far more excited by what Sherwood could potentially do with this team. Pulis is a manager I respect but he's a poor man's MON.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: JJ-AV on May 03, 2015, 01:16:12 PM
Yeah, I wanted Pulis. He's a very good manager though to be honest, but Sherwood is clearly the better option.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 03, 2015, 01:16:18 PM
I'm pretty sure I said something along the lines of having Pulis as manager would be one of the very few things that could keep me away from VP. I also called him a baseball cap twat nozzle on a thread, which is still a valid opinion of him.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Damo70 on May 03, 2015, 01:20:17 PM
I wanted Pulis for a good while in the last year or two of Lambert. On the basis he would keep us up and we could see how it went from there. He is at the wrong club for him now. Same as Allardyce at West Ham. For two of the main yo-yo clubs between top and second flights in my lifetime 'the two Wests' talk as if they    have spent their history swatting every other team away in great style.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: LukeJames on May 03, 2015, 01:46:27 PM
I genuinly didn't want him anywhere near our club, even when we were at our most awful under Lambert.... But then again I didn't want Sherwood anywhere near our club either  ::)
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: eamonn on May 03, 2015, 01:58:18 PM
Would have had us win at Old Trafford instead of losing. Sherwood out!
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: passitsideways on May 03, 2015, 02:00:42 PM
In the final couple of months of Lambert, as an "anyone but Lambert" sort of option, yes; but at no other time, even at the end of last season when most of us were up for a change.

I do admit that I was very eager for us to get in touch with Moyes once it became clear that our start was a complete mirage (sometime around Everton/QPR away.)
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: john e on May 03, 2015, 02:09:46 PM
never in my lowest times have I ever wanted Pulis or Alardyce

they represent the total opposite to everything I want to see from a football team I support
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 03, 2015, 02:21:43 PM
No. Never.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Chris Smith on May 03, 2015, 02:22:11 PM
never in my lowest times have I ever wanted Pulis or Alardyce

they represent the total opposite to everything I want to see from a football team I support

Same here.

Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 03, 2015, 02:24:59 PM
never in my lowest times have I ever wanted Pulis or Alardyce

they represent the total opposite to everything I want to see from a football team I support

Desperate times wasn't it though I think Allardyce plays better football than he is sometimes credited with. That said neither were ideal and certainly not the cap wearing bell end.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Nastylee on May 03, 2015, 02:31:55 PM
Never wanted him and glad we didn't sell our soul. He's a limited manager and you'll no doubt hear the cries of discontent increase in volume as their fans realise beating relegation is as good as it gets.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: john2710 on May 03, 2015, 02:37:19 PM
In truth, it was only because we were playing so shit, for so long & so desparate to get rid of Lambert that anyone was pushing for Pulis.

Pulls is what he is & we'd have been pushing for him to go by Christmas.

We're Aston Villa & setting staying in the Premier League as our only objective is never good enough.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: supertom on May 03, 2015, 02:38:37 PM
Hand up. But I thought this way back in November. He knows what he's doing and his record at West Brom has generally been good. They had a sticky spell, largely brought on by us beating them convincingly twice in a week, but they've steadied the ship and are well clear of trouble. But with Pulis you know what you're gonna get. You'll get a mid-table side. Nothing spectacular. He can grind out a result like Sherwood probably can't, but by the same token I don't think you'll see Pulis winning in style. And honestly, winning in style is the preference for me really. I'm all for being a club that stays clear of relegation and wins as much as they lose, but mid-table mediocrity shouldn't have to mean outdated, one dimensional football. Plus it only gets you so far.

What Sherwood has done, a lot better than I ever expected him to, is to get us playing good expansive football. We mix it up very well. We look good on the deck. We can string the ball around for 40 passes if needs be and we can pump it forward to Benteke quickly. I think we can be an entertaining mid-table side next season. Perhaps upper mid, nipping at the heels of Spurs, Southampton etc. With the right signings.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Boz on May 03, 2015, 02:40:24 PM
In truth, it was only because we were playing so shit, for so long & so desparate to get rid of Lambert that anyone was pushing for Pulis.

Pulls is what he is & we'd have been pushing for him to go by Christmas.

We're Aston Villa & setting staying in the Premier League as our only objective is never good enough.

Absolutely spot on
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: curiousorange on May 03, 2015, 02:43:54 PM
Delighted to say I have no Pulis on my conscience. I've always been vehement in my opposition to him managing Villa. If there was a way of ensuring he couldn't enter the ground, I'd like the club to explore it.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: supertom on May 03, 2015, 03:00:08 PM
Pulis would have been a safe bet and good for the short term. But in terms of progression there would be very little prospect for us, and the footy would become drearily repetitive. His signings are often obvious too.

Timmy was always going to be a big gamble, but I think he's got great potential to put something in place.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 03, 2015, 03:02:52 PM
I never wanted Pulis. Ok, he's done what they required of him at WBA, but, their fans will get fed up of him a lot sooner than we will of Sherwood. Tony is very limited. Sherwood has a lot more about him.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: amfy on May 03, 2015, 03:09:25 PM
The thought of Pulis was something that kept me hoping and hoping that Lambert would turn it round well after the point that it was patently obvious to everyone that it wasn't going to happen.

 It was the thought of Pulis that just kept me thinking 'please, please, please -I know you can do it Villa I've seen it, please don't make us have to have him!'

Even at the point when it ended up being Sherwood and pretty much everyone, including me, was a bit 'wtf?', I still wasn't thinking ''We should have gone a bit earlier and got Pulis'

Never would have guessed how good Sherwood would be though. Even if this goes pear shaped now, a few weeks of remembering why we do this, has been brilliant.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 03, 2015, 03:19:28 PM
I didn't *want* Tiny Penis, but with every passing week it looked more and more like it was coming down to a choice between him and relegation.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 03, 2015, 03:22:11 PM
Nothing to confess here really, he would have done a better job than Lambert.

That's an argument I don't get at all.

We spend months, or years, telling each other that Lambert is fucking awful - and he was - and then want to appoint someone on the basis of them being better than Lambert?

Surely if Lambert is so woeful, then "better than him" is the faintest praise of all?

I didn't want Sherwood, I am happy to admit, and I am still not convinced it's going to be a sensible appointment in the long term, but let's wait and see on that one.

However, having watched years of turgid anti-football, why anyone would want to appoint a manager with a record going back several years for running teams which were amongst the most horrible to watch offenders on that front is beyond me.

I honestly can't think of a currently working manager I'd want at our club less than Pulis. Allardyce possibly, but that's about it.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 03, 2015, 03:23:06 PM
I couldn't stand Sherwood at Spurs. But, I couldn't stand Pulis at WBA, Stoke and Palace. The miserable old twat.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 03, 2015, 03:27:56 PM
In truth, it was only because we were playing so shit, for so long & so desparate to get rid of Lambert that anyone was pushing for Pulis.

Pulls is what he is & we'd have been pushing for him to go by Christmas.

We're Aston Villa & setting staying in the Premier League as our only objective is never good enough.

Absolutely spot on

That's kind of what I was getting at.

A dog is for life, not just for Christmas You don't just appoint a manager for a few months. Certainly not one with reasonably high stock and an expectation of being to get a job elsewhere without too much trouble.

You appoint a manager with the objective of getting us to safety, yes, but also with an eye on the fact that by offering him a three or four year deal, you're signing up to him as a manager for much longer.

Pulis may or may not have kept us up, but we wouldn't then have been able to tell him to fuck off now we're saved, as we were going to look for a better long term option.

And anyone who thinks Randy would have sacked Lambert, paid him off several millions, employed Pulis to keep us up, watched him do that, and then sack him as well and fork out another several million pounds in compensation is either kidding themself, or hasn't watched the way we've acted financially the last few years.

If we'd taken Pulis we'd be looking forward to a summer of trying to sign Kenwynne Jones / Peter Crouch / all those dismal footballers who suit his dismal style.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Monty on May 03, 2015, 03:44:15 PM
I was never pining for him, but I thought he'd keep us in the Premier League, allowing us to be bought by an owner ambitious enough to sack him. Looking back, I'm pretty pleased that the cards fell the way they did.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: passport1 on May 03, 2015, 03:47:29 PM
I think the Pullis suggestion was based on the percieved ambition of the club.We are or have been indoctrinated into believing that we have no budget and that mid table survival is the most that we can hope for. With that ambition Pullis would look like a safe choice

I just wonder if Sherwoods ambitions will remain aligned  with the owner in the long term.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 03, 2015, 04:00:59 PM
I remember somebody suggesting Dean Saunders at one stage. And it wasn't villakicks or whatever he's called these days.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 03, 2015, 04:03:42 PM
I remember somebody suggesting Dean Saunders at one stage. And it wasn't villakicks or whatever he's called these days.

"Dean Saunders"
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 03, 2015, 04:05:05 PM
I remember somebody suggesting Dean Saunders at one stage. And it wasn't villakicks or whatever he's called these days.

"Dean Saunders"

Arf!

Although it could be Dean Sahnders if it's Ron Atkinson talking about him.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: not3bad on May 03, 2015, 04:06:15 PM
At my very lowest point Pulis began to look less horrible than he had before. Does that count as wanting him in?
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Archie on May 03, 2015, 04:28:31 PM
As we have another shame thread, who thought we should have appointed Pulis?

I'm embarrassed to say I did but then we did look doomed at the time. That man could probably get a new job every jan/February if he wanted.

In my defence I thought he'd be good as a temporary appointment.

I did not want Pulis but I did want Lambert when he was at Norwich, so you are in good company!
Shame fell on me.
My only consolation is that it took me only one season to realise that he was not the right for the job and that he should be sacked, can't understand why the club let him in charge for such a long  time.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 03, 2015, 04:31:14 PM
never in my lowest times have I ever wanted Pulis or Alardyce

they represent the total opposite to everything I want to see from a football team I support

Same here.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: enigma on May 03, 2015, 05:24:38 PM
I wanted him to come in and save us from relegation. It had become more of a case of anyone but Lambert towards the end.

More interesting would be who was disappointed in the hiring of Sherwood?
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: AV82EC on May 03, 2015, 05:27:32 PM
I wanted him to come in and save us from relegation. It had become more of a case of anyone but Lambert towards the end.

More interesting would be who was disappointed in the hiring of Sherwood?

Disappointed is a bit strong but I think my first words were underwhelmed. I'm surprised how well he's done if I'm honest but I think we all knew we had a decent bunch of players, we just needed a half decent manager/coaching set up to get them firing. As Paulie says whether he's for the long term who knows but he's madea grand start....
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: aj2k77 on May 03, 2015, 05:30:15 PM
I wanted anyone but Lambert, I was so desperate to get rid of him I would have taken Pulis.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 03, 2015, 05:32:40 PM
Same here but with an added clause of sacking him at the end of the season.

I don't do 'stability'.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Malandro on May 03, 2015, 05:41:30 PM
never in my lowest times have I ever wanted Pulis or Alardyce

they represent the total opposite to everything I want to see from a football team I support

Same here.

But would you have preferred relegation? I saw it as a lesser evil - club stays up, gets sold, Pulis eventually walks/pushed and we get somebody more suitable.
I was wrong, however, as sherwood is looking far better.

Sherwood looked like a huge gamble at the time, well to me anyway.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: john e on May 03, 2015, 05:47:32 PM
never in my lowest times have I ever wanted Pulis or Alardyce

they represent the total opposite to everything I want to see from a football team I support

Same here.

But would you have preferred relegation? I saw it as a lesser evil - club stays up, gets sold, Pulis eventually walks/pushed and we get somebody more suitable.
I was wrong, however, as sherwood is looking far better.

Sherwood looked like a huge gamble at the time, well to me anyway.

personaly and I know I will be in a tiny minority here, I would have taken the gamble of relegation rather than have Pulis at the club
yes I hate his brand of football that much
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Malandro on May 03, 2015, 05:54:29 PM
Ah well, I applaud the decision made, better job than I would have done.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: john e on May 03, 2015, 06:02:39 PM
Ah well, I applaud the decision made, better job than I would have done.

absolutely

no one in their right mind would have predicted turning the most boring Villa team in my lifetime into a decent version of Barcalona in a matter of weeks,
 entertaining, freescoring and playing possession football, with a FA cup final thrown in for good luck

but there you have it, its all a bit mindblowing really
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: junxs on May 03, 2015, 08:00:41 PM
We have 12 points from 10 games since Sherwood took charge, which isn't amazing by any stretch of the imagination. Think the 3 wins in the cup have glossed up the indifferent league form since he took over - we are after all still only 2 points above the relegation zone.

I'm not saying he's been a bad appointment, but I'd rather wait until we are mathematically safe before getting excited for the future which I have no doubt would be better than if Pulis was here - as long as we are in the premier league next year.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: walsall villain on May 03, 2015, 08:06:54 PM
We have 12 points from 10 games since Sherwood took charge, which isn't amazing by any stretch of the imagination. Think the 3 wins in the cup have glossed up the indifferent league form since he took over - we are after all still only 2 points above the relegation zone.

I'm not saying he's been a bad appointment, but I'd rather wait until we are mathematically safe before getting excited for the future which I have no doubt would be better than if Pulis was here - as long as we are in the premier league next year.
Think it's 13 points but I know what you mean. It's not just the points though, the performances are getting better week by week. Players who we thought weren't good enough have played so much better, N'Zogbia, Gabby, Bacuna and Cleverley for example.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Nastylee on May 03, 2015, 08:40:49 PM
I never got the clamour to get rid of PL for shite football and replace him with a manager renowned for shite football. Sherwood's record may not be superb yet but he had to change a culture of negativity, which was never going to happen immediately. We are now seeing the green shoots of recovery and providing we survive (which I think we will) then next season looks a lot more promising.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: supertom on May 03, 2015, 08:42:33 PM
We have 12 points from 10 games since Sherwood took charge, which isn't amazing by any stretch of the imagination. Think the 3 wins in the cup have glossed up the indifferent league form since he took over - we are after all still only 2 points above the relegation zone.

I'm not saying he's been a bad appointment, but I'd rather wait until we are mathematically safe before getting excited for the future which I have no doubt would be better than if Pulis was here - as long as we are in the premier league next year.
Think it's 13 points but I know what you mean. It's not just the points though, the performances are getting better week by week. Players who we thought weren't good enough have played so much better, N'Zogbia, Gabby, Bacuna and Cleverley for example.
In fairness to him too we've yet to be well beaten. Stoke, Newcastle and Swansea were poor games but we were unlucky not to take a point.
Though Utd probably had the easiest game of anyone against Sherwoods Villa, we still pushed them close when we got back into the game.

I think the progression in the side, particularly since the Spurs game has been impressive. You can see things starting to click. Other players are now hitting the strides that Benteke has under Sherwood and Grealish in particular has looked like he could be the missing piece creatively. We were incredibly unlucky against City (on the balance of play, but such avoidable mistakes will always cost you against the good sides).

Regarding the defence I feel sympathy for Tim. It's been a patchwork job and by no means do I think our backline will look that similar next season. Clark has been a miss and we're in dire need of a left back.
I think we'll win 2 of the last 3 games. Which will be more than enough.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 03, 2015, 09:07:25 PM
The one thing that I think is reasonably assured is irrespective of how it all ends, if Sherwood is Villa manager he will want to play this way. I know we all kind of thought that about Lambert but he doesn't have Sherwood approach, character and ego. I don't think Sherwood would allow much to change his beliefs other than getting in better players to defend and protect leads. He'll still want to play to win and attack as his core values.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Archie on May 03, 2015, 10:08:41 PM
13 points from 10 games mean 50 points atbthe end of the League.
It would mean midtable.
With Lambert (apart from the fact that we didn't play football)  we struggled to arrive at 38, and we were involved in the relegation battle until the last minute of the last game.
Doesn't it make an enormous  difference for you?
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: The Left Side on May 03, 2015, 10:26:12 PM
I wanted anyone but TSM2
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Grande Pablo on May 03, 2015, 10:26:29 PM
Didn't know who I wanted, but I knew for sure we'd be doomed with Pulis or Allardyce. 
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Risso on May 03, 2015, 10:36:09 PM
Nothing to confess here really, he would have done a better job than Lambert.

That's an argument I don't get at all.

We spend months, or years, telling each other that Lambert is fucking awful - and he was - and then want to appoint someone on the basis of them being better than Lambert?

Surely if Lambert is so woeful, then "better than him" is the faintest praise of all?

I didn't want Sherwood, I am happy to admit, and I am still not convinced it's going to be a sensible appointment in the long term, but let's wait and see on that one.

However, having watched years of turgid anti-football, why anyone would want to appoint a manager with a record going back several years for running teams which were amongst the most horrible to watch offenders on that front is beyond me.

I honestly can't think of a currently working manager I'd want at our club less than Pulis. Allardyce possibly, but that's about it.

Well, the argument isn't that he's just better than Lambert, it's that he'd have kept us up as well.  He wouldn't have been my long term choice at all but back then things were looking desperate.  Lambert's brand of football was worse than Pulis and Allardyce put together, it was simply unwatchable.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: ktvillan on May 03, 2015, 10:36:11 PM
I just wanted Lambert out and decent manager in, and some decent football to watch.  We've certainly got the latter, whether we also have the former remains to be proven.   While Pulis would have kept us up the football would have been eye-bleedingly bad to watch.  I did have fleeting moments where I might have considered him, or almost anyone else over Lambert - jeez even TSM would have been a step up towards the end.  But ultimately I wanted someone with a reputation for playing some good football. 
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Colhint on May 03, 2015, 10:44:59 PM
 I think Pullis should just become a management consultant. No one wants him long term, but loads of teams would have him for the last 3 months of the season. So temp contract for 3 months, 2 million quid then leave. Another club would take him up the following year
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: LTA on May 03, 2015, 11:11:05 PM
Yes I admit I was advocating Pulis, though the stylish play under Sherwood is something Pulis wouldn't have mustered.  I'd take his and Albion current points tally though.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: amfy on May 03, 2015, 11:40:46 PM
We have 12 points from 10 games since Sherwood took charge, which isn't amazing by any stretch of the imagination. Think the 3 wins in the cup have glossed up the indifferent league form since he took over - we are after all still only 2 points above the relegation zone.

I'm not saying he's been a bad appointment, but I'd rather wait until we are mathematically safe before getting excited for the future which I have no doubt would be better than if Pulis was here - as long as we are in the premier league next year.


...and we are still the same number of points behind Albion, so Pulis isn't doing better, and in head to heads is worse.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: steffo on May 03, 2015, 11:51:52 PM
I was up the North Stand yesterday and my son (17) asked me about the Saunders banner on the Hole End 'Would you bet against us' I explained the story to which he replied. Saunders must of had belief in his system and players as does Sherwood.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Risso on May 03, 2015, 11:57:18 PM
We have 12 points from 10 games since Sherwood took charge, which isn't amazing by any stretch of the imagination. Think the 3 wins in the cup have glossed up the indifferent league form since he took over - we are after all still only 2 points above the relegation zone.

I'm not saying he's been a bad appointment, but I'd rather wait until we are mathematically safe before getting excited for the future which I have no doubt would be better than if Pulis was here - as long as we are in the premier league next year.

He took a few games to sort out the mess that Lambert had left, but it was never going to be an overnight job.  I can't see how realistically he could have done much more.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 03, 2015, 11:57:59 PM
It's not just results though, it's the complete change in the players. Just about every player looked devoid of belief, confidence, fight, everything, by the time Hull beat us. They looked like they were just waiting to lose each game. Everyone wanted to play us the last couple of months Lambert was here. It's not surprising the first couple of league games were lost, you can't just click your fingers and change that in a few days.

Look at us now, playing with a swagger, confidence, actually fighting like lions, ready to take on anyone. I doubt anyone looks forward to playing us these days.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 04, 2015, 12:13:39 PM
I never wanted Pulis. I always thought that we could get rid of our manager and get somebody who was actually good, as opposed to someone who just met the ludicrously low criteria of being "better than Lambert".

That said, I wasn't impressed by the Sherwood appointment and am delighted to be being proven increasingly wrong on that front with every passing week.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: john e on May 04, 2015, 09:14:07 PM
When posters say 'he wasn't my first choice' who was the first choice then ?

I saw a two stage appointment , the first manager to try and keep us up, the second for more long term

So I went for Graham Taylor to keep us up and then he could help choose the next guy in the summer

I still think it was a cunning plan destined to be super sucsessful but I guess Sherwood  isn't turning out so bad either
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 04, 2015, 09:21:35 PM
Graham Taylor would have been an insane, nostalgia-tinged, Geordiesque appointment.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: john e on May 04, 2015, 09:31:26 PM
Graham Taylor would have been an insane, nostalgia-tinged, Geordiesque appointment.

So who was your first choice ?
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 04, 2015, 09:34:56 PM
One of the commentators over here summed up Pulis, either at the end of the league game or one their games just afterwards, where the 6 toe county crew were at whinge factor 9. "It's no use complaining now it looks like you're out of danger.  You know exactly what you get when you give Pulis a job and it's not very pretty."

Maybe we should give Liam that as his signature line?
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Damo70 on May 04, 2015, 10:36:38 PM
They are both yesterday's men in terms of football management sadly, but for getting short term results till the end of the season I would have thought that would have suited BFR more than SGT.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 04, 2015, 10:38:10 PM
We'd have had more chance of staying up with Lambert staying than putting SGT or Atkinson in charge imo.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 04, 2015, 10:38:54 PM
They are both yesterday's men in terms of football management sadly, but for getting short term results till the end of the season I would have thought that would have suited BFR more than SGT.

There is a story that when one of our recent managers (think it was McLeish) got sacked BFR was asked by the board who he thought would be the best man for the job. His reply was one word and you can guess who it was.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2015, 11:06:33 PM
Graham Taylor would have been an insane, nostalgia-tinged, Geordiesque appointment.

So who was your first choice ?

It's hard to imagine a worse first choice than an old man who has been out of the game for a long, long time.

It would have been an appointment made entirely on the basis of sentiment.

And the whole "two stage" thing is a total non starter.

If you want someone to keep you up in the short term, you need someone who knows what they're doing in modern football. That's not Sir Graham. He looked a man from a different era 12 years ago.

You can not realistically appoint someone on the basis that they keep you up and then fuck off without moaning when you bin them in the summer. Which is what Albion are about to find out, to their cost, this summer.

Pulis will keep them up, but they'll be stuck with his mindbendingly fucking horrible brand of "football" for the next two or three years.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: john e on May 04, 2015, 11:25:36 PM
My point is everyone has a load of good reasons why managers won't work at Villa including Sherwood at the time
But this is a hands up thread, no one yet has said who there first choice was
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: supertom on May 04, 2015, 11:40:12 PM
They are both yesterday's men in terms of football management sadly, but for getting short term results till the end of the season I would have thought that would have suited BFR more than SGT.

There is a story that when one of our recent managers (think it was McLeish) got sacked BFR was asked by the board who he thought would be the best man for the job. His reply was one word and you can guess who it was.
That's a story I can believe.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: supertom on May 04, 2015, 11:44:26 PM
My point is everyone has a load of good reasons why managers won't work at Villa including Sherwood at the time
But this is a hands up thread, no one yet has said who there first choice was
My first choice in terms of who was readily available was probably Pulis. Back in November anyway. I wanted Lambert out by that point. Then the Baggies nabbed him and it seemed (to me) like we'd just let go our best chance of staying up and kept a manager who seemed to be taking us in one direction, the championship.

When Lambert finally got the boot I wasn't thrilled with appointing Sherwood but he was still my first choice, in as much as it seemed like a choice of one. We were only ever gonna get an out of work Manager, and aside from some duffers and over the hill choices, Sherwood was probably the only viable option. As it is, it looks like it's going to be a good appointment.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 05, 2015, 08:01:23 AM
Graham Taylor would have been an insane, nostalgia-tinged, Geordiesque appointment.

So who was your first choice ?

I can't remember. I think none of the British favourites particularly excited me so I wanted some foreign genius.

I think I mentioned Rene Girard (should be an acute on the second 'e' but don't know how to do it on phone).
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: junxs on May 05, 2015, 08:21:05 AM
We have 12 points from 10 games since Sherwood took charge, which isn't amazing by any stretch of the imagination. Think the 3 wins in the cup have glossed up the indifferent league form since he took over - we are after all still only 2 points above the relegation zone.

I'm not saying he's been a bad appointment, but I'd rather wait until we are mathematically safe before getting excited for the future which I have no doubt would be better than if Pulis was here - as long as we are in the premier league next year.

He took a few games to sort out the mess that Lambert had left, but it was never going to be an overnight job.  I can't see how realistically he could have done much more.

He's doing alright, I'm not saying he's doing bad. His record isn't as good as some are making out due to the cup wins. We are still only 2 points above the relegation zone. A bit of bad luck in the last 3 games and we could still quite easily go down.

Lets just wait until we are mathematically safe before a hands up session - that's all I'm saying.

I'm delighted with the way we have been playing in the last few games, but I still keep finding myself checking the league table every few hours
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Damo70 on May 05, 2015, 10:36:18 AM
My point is everyone has a load of good reasons why managers won't work at Villa including Sherwood at the time
But this is a hands up thread, no one yet has said who there first choice was

I am struggling to remember as I was quite poorly around that time. To the best of my recollection I regretted the fact Albion got to Pulis before we did and wondered if, due to his contract situation Allardyce might be tempted from West Ham. I was shocked when it became clear Sherwood was the choice. I rated him from his time at Spurs but didn't think he was the best man to keep us up. I am glad to say I felt he started proving me wrong pretty much from day one.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Gregorys Boy on May 05, 2015, 10:49:31 AM
I not only will admit it, but will also say that we will only know next season who got the better deal us or West Brom ;)  Sherwood has been a good short term appointment, but there are still question marks over him long term.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on May 05, 2015, 10:54:10 AM
I first uttered the "P" word in the pub after the QPR humiliation in October. In my defence, I was pissed ( despite paying over £5 a pint in some Shepherds Bush  boozer) and I stressed that we should get him on a "Red Addair" style contract - get him in, put out the fire and get him out. I was also disappointed that we still hadn't sacked Lambert by the time Albion signed Pulis and I was sure he'd have kept us up. It was a combination of my bad judgement and the fact that we were in such a fucking mess at the time that I thought anybody would do a better job than the last, hopeless bloke in charge. Looks like we've dodged a bullet but I'd still have taken him at the time, given our situation.

So there's my confession. But at least I never wanted us to take Solskjær a few years ago though - does anyone want to own up to that? there were plenty at the time, I seem to remember, who thought we should take a punt on him   
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Gregorys Boy on May 05, 2015, 10:57:45 AM
I first uttered the "P" word in the pub after the QPR humiliation in October. In my defence, I was pissed ( despite paying over £5 a pint in some Shepherds Bush  boozer) and I stressed that we should get him on a "Red Addair" style contract - get him in, put out the fire and get him out. I was also disappointed that we still hadn't sacked Lambert by the time Albion signed Pulis and I was sure he'd have kept us up. It was a combination of my bad judgement and the fact that we were in such a fucking mess at the time that I thought would do a better job than the last, hopeless bloke in charge. Looks like we've dodged a bullet but I'd still have taken him at the time, given our situation.

So there's my confession. But at least I never wanted us to take Solskjær a few years ago though - does anyone want to own up to that? there were plenty at the time, I seem to remember, who thought we should take a punt on him   

No always thought Solskjaer was out of his depth in English football, at the top level of it anyway.

On Pulis, don't forget his team have 40 points and are sitting pretty whereas we still need one more win or maybe a couple of draws to confirm our survival.  And lets just seev where we are next season is all I'm saying, if we're back in a scrap then I will be reminding you all about this post lol.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 05, 2015, 11:04:09 AM
I not only will admit it, but will also say that we will only know next season who got the better deal us or West Brom ;)  Sherwood has been a good short term appointment, but there are still question marks over him long term.

Why, on the basis that he hasn't had a full season in management? That's a bit unfair to make assumptions before he has managed long term. 

It seems that all current managers must be given time to develop a squad, 3 years is the normal amount of time banded around.  Somehow, Sherwood is not to be given this time as there are question marks over him.  Could you tell us what some of these question marks are that make him a more risky option than Pullis?   
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: tom jennings III on May 05, 2015, 01:18:02 PM
But at least I never wanted us to take Solskjær a few years ago though - does anyone want to own up to that? there were plenty at the time, I seem to remember, who thought we should take a punt on him   

Guilty as charged.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: john e on May 05, 2015, 01:28:30 PM
But at least I never wanted us to take Solskjær a few years ago though - does anyone want to own up to that? there were plenty at the time, I seem to remember, who thought we should take a punt on him   

Guilty as charged.

I also thought it was an exciting option at the time
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Holte L2 on May 05, 2015, 01:34:50 PM
I didn't want Pullis.  But I really didn't want Sherwood.

Can't believe how wrong I've been about him to be honest. 

Sorry Tim.

Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 05, 2015, 02:04:24 PM
I wanted OGS. After the predictable boredom of McLeish I liked the idea of something totally different. Quite why he was mental enough to take the Cardiff job is beyond me, he's put a right bollock on his career.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 05, 2015, 02:05:59 PM
But at least I never wanted us to take Solskjær a few years ago though - does anyone want to own up to that? there were plenty at the time, I seem to remember, who thought we should take a punt on him   

Guilty as charged.

yep, but again in the context of where we were coming from anyone who encouraged players to "foooking shoot" and pointed towards the goal we were attacking was always going to cause a stir in the pants. Loads of us thought he'd be a breath of fresh air.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: rob_bridge on May 05, 2015, 04:09:54 PM
Wanted Lambert out last summer.

Would have taken Pullis any time post QPR debacle up until he was hired by Albion.

Didn't want Sherwood. Glad to have been proved mightily wrong thus far.
Title: Re: Hands up - Pulis...
Post by: not3bad on May 05, 2015, 04:57:04 PM
But at least I never wanted us to take Solskjær a few years ago though - does anyone want to own up to that? there were plenty at the time, I seem to remember, who thought we should take a punt on him   

Guilty as charged.

I also thought it was an exciting option at the time

Me too. At the same time I think we all knew there was an element of risk didn't we?  Lambert, by comparison, was seen as the 'safe' option.
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