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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: martin o`who?? on April 11, 2015, 03:04:35 PM
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If the unthinkable happens and this is the season, who would you blame?. Personally i think the rot really set in when Oneill wasted huge amounts of Randy`s cash which left the managers who followed him with virtually no transfer budget, But to be fair to MON, any manager would have done the same if allowed. He should have been stopped and when he eventually was (being denied the money from Milners transfer) he walked, Faulkner was the Lerner intermediary, he was CEO and was there when the money was spent and the damage was done, he was advising Randy so should have reigned O`neill in much earlier - but didnt, so my vote goes on Faulkner.
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I thought you made it clear from your username that you would never mention that man's name ever again. Shame on you.
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I thought you made it clear from your username that you would never mention that man's name ever again. Shame on you.
No no no, i defy anyone to say we didnt have some frikkin unforgettable days under MON, it just all ended rather sadly and thats what left a bitter taste in our mouths.
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You can argue about the source for ages, and we have. But if we went down this season it would nearly all be on Lambert. How ever much he spent, was restricted with wages etc because of things before he was here, he had this side massively underperforming. Look at Sherwood, in 8 league games we've scored 12, same as we did in 25 under Lambert, that is how much Lambert was failing.
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You can argue about the source for ages, and we have. But if we went down this season it would nearly all be on Lambert. How ever much he spent, was restricted with wages etc because of things before he was here, he had this side massively underperforming. Look at Sherwood, in 8 league games we've scored 12, same as we did in 25 under Lambert, that is how much Lambert was failing.
i really think Lambert was like a rabbit in the headlights, i heard an interview with a reporter for the Local Norwich rag who had covered every game for them under Lambert and he said they were fantastic going forward, but with us he seemed frightened to cross the halfway line, he just seemed out of his depth.
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If the unthinkable happens and this is the season, who would you blame?. Personally i think the rot really set in when Oneill wasted huge amounts of Randy`s cash which left the managers who followed him with virtually no transfer budget, But to be fair to MON, any manager would have done the same if allowed. He should have been stopped and when he eventually was (being denied the money from Milners transfer) he walked, Faulkner was the Lerner intermediary, he was CEO and was there when the money was spent and the damage was done, he was advising Randy so should have reigned O`neill in much earlier - but didnt, so my vote goes on Faulkner.
Is it not possible for it to be the fault of more than one person?
If we go down (and we almost certainly won't), then at least three people on that list would have a good deal of culpability.
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Surely Fox should be added to the options. I've voted Lerner but I think Fox was to blame for not sacking Lambert before January and then attacking the fans with that 'false narrative' nonsense.
Anyway after today's result hopefully blame will not be required.
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Surely Fox should be added to the options. I've voted Lerner but I think Fox was to blame for not sacking Lambert before January and then attacking the fans with that 'false narrative' nonsense.
Anyway after today's result hopefully blame will not be required.
But it could be that Lerner wouldn't allow him to sack Lambert. We don't know the ins and outs.
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Is it not possible for it to be the fault of more than one person?
If we go down (and we almost certainly won't), then at least three people on that list would have a good deal of culpability.
Yes, our current situation (regardless of relegation) is down to a number of factors, not just one person.
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Lerner for three poor managerial appointments on the bounce, particularly for letting the third one drag out for so long and Lambert for being awful results wise for pretty much the whole of his time at the club.
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Lerner for three poor managerial appointments on the bounce, particularly for letting the third one drag out for so long and Lambert for being awful results wise for pretty much the whole of his time at the club.
But most of us wanted, or were happy with, Lambert so it wasn't really a poor appointment. Keeping him so long was stupid though.
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It would have to be with Lerner, should have sacked Lambert at the end of last season.
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Lerner for three poor managerial appointments on the bounce, particularly for letting the third one drag out for so long and Lambert for being awful results wise for pretty much the whole of his time at the club.
But most of us wanted, or were happy with, Lambert so it wasn't really a poor appointment. Keeping him so long was stupid though.
It was a poor appointment. Admittedly that is with the benefit of hindsight but if you make a decision at work that turns out to be a disaster you will be called out for it and held accountable.
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1st. MoN
2nd. MoN
3rd. MoN
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Lambert. Look at what Sherwood is doing with Lambert's team. Lerner did cut the budget but we were capable of much better under Lambert.
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O'Neill has been gone, what, 4 years? Sure he was the catalyst but the buck stops with Lerner. He's just been proven to be out of his depth and regularly made mistakes that everyone else could see. If there is a takeover in the summer, I hope the next people know what they're doing and have the resources to stop us from having annual relegation scares.
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Really? 5 years, 4 managers and 2 chief execs later, and still blaming MON, get fucking real.
You need to move on mate, you can't keep blaming your relationship failures on your ex- girlfriend.
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Lerner & Lambert.
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Lerner for me, but we're not going to go down anyway. So there.
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The fans. As always :)
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Randolph go and stand in the corner. Unless we stay up then have a beer (provided you sell up and to someone decent).
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Lambert. Look at what Sherwood is doing with Lambert's team. Lerner did cut the budget but we were capable of much better under Lambert.
This
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I would blame the baby jesus, some donkeys and that cabbage from Mr Bloom's nursery
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I would blame the Judean Peoples Front, or is that the Peoples Front of Judea?
We aren't going down so there will be nobody to blame, but given that all season we have been saying that our squad isn't too bad (well some of us have), just the way we play, it would have to be Lambert.
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I was tempted to say Lerner but Lambert tipped it for me as he was supported by Lerner but made some terrible decisions.
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Really? 5 years, 4 managers and 2 chief execs later, and still blaming MON, get fucking real.
You need to move on mate, you can't keep blaming your relationship failures on your ex- girlfriend.
If she was giving me the kind of rogering that O'Neill gave Villa I would never have left her in the first place.
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Is it not possible for it to be the fault of more than one person?
If we go down (and we almost certainly won't), then at least three people on that list would have a good deal of culpability.
Yes, our current situation (regardless of relegation) is down to a number of factors, not just one person.
That's my take on it as well. Everyone involved has made mistake somewhere along the line.
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Lambert. Look at what Sherwood is doing with Lambert's team. Lerner did cut the budget but we were capable of much better under Lambert.
Towards the end you could have plucked anyone off here and they would have struggled to do worse than Lambert.
Maybe we should have given Ron Wylie more than just one game. I think that may have been where it all started going wrong. ;)
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It would have to be with Lerner, should have sacked Lambert at the end of last season.
This. Lerner left a failing manager in charge far too long. Not only that he even okayed a new contract for him.
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No Ellis option? That's a surprise
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It would have to be with Lerner, should have sacked Lambert at the end of last season.
This. Lerner left a failing manager in charge far too long. Not only that he even okayed a new contract for him.
A four year contract at that! Making any decision to sack him earlier all the more difficult.
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It`s no suprise Lerner`s out in front, but i honestly believe his only real mistake was to allow MON to spend vast amounts of his money which he will probably never get back, he always respected the clubs traditions and genuinley seemed to care. his Managerial appointments will always be debatable, but Mcleish was appointed because of Fergusons accursed recommendation, and we, the supporters, demanded - and got- Paul Lambert, who was definiteley allowed to stay too long. Personally, i wish Lerner well, and believe the only thing that stopped Lerner re-establishing us as a major force was Citeh lucking in with Mansoor.
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No Ellis option? That's a surprise
I deliberately left Ellis out for two reasons 1: you have to draw a line somewhere. 2: Ellis deemed Lerner a worthy succesor and for a good while so did the fans, dont forget, there were several games where the "one Randy Lerner" song rang out loud and clear. our current problems started after Doug had sold up.