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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Dave on March 21, 2015, 04:52:28 PM
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Well, the run was going to end sometime. We'll just have to beat Man Utd instead.
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Fucking hell I'm depressed. Two home defeats out of three for Sherwood in the league. Perfect chance to pull away today and we blew it. Thanks a lot Villa.
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If you're not going to win a home game don't lose it. Absolutely criminal to lose two now so close to the end of a game. This is going all the way I fear.
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Well that was rather disappointing and puts us right in the shit again. We looked flat for so much of the game and gave Swansea way too much time. I really thought we would get into them but they really are very good at controlling the pace of the game and keeping the ball. Fuck me as the kids would say...
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We looked pretty good. Created a shed load of chances, just a shame we couldn't finish one.
Not too disheartened, just feel a bit shit.
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The "run" :-D
We will probably do ManYoo anyway.
Off to get fucked up in the village bar. Bollocks to this! ;-)
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Proper kick in the cock pipe, like only Aston Villa know how to do.
Come on West Ham!
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Reality check. Still, as a lot of people have said, that's just how it is when you come up against a team who are reaping the rewards of a well-executed long-term strategy.
I don't blame Sherwood for going 4-4-2 given the recent run but the advantage they had in midfield as a result was very, very glaring.
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Swansea played well. Thought Delph and Clark were excellent.
Our game suffered when Sanchez came on.
Sinclair needs to take the half chances that come his way.
Hutton was better than Lowton would have been, but less effective than on the right.
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I hate these games, where we should win, make hard work of grinding out a draw, only to lose to really simple attacks. If we're second best i can shrug it off. If we're equals, I find it much harder to take. Especially as most results have gone our way. Again.
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The "run" :-D
Hey, I consider one victory to be a run. Three in a row is like Arsenal in 2004 territory as far as I'm concerned.
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Not a disaster and the hardest test in Sherwoods very short reign.
I think 0-0 would of been fair but just that tiny bit of quality and luck wasn't with us today.
One thing for certain though is I'm not as depressed as I was losing under Lambert.
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Great chance to pull away today. Oh dear. Would have been a good point today
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We go again. 8 cup finals.
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Well that was rather disappointing and puts us right in the shit again. We looked flat for so much of the game and gave Swansea way too much time. I really thought we would get into them but they really are very good at controlling the pace of the game and keeping the ball. Fuck me as the kids would say...
We're not right in the shit again. It hasn't changed from last week. All we need is for Sunderland and Hull to lose.
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Didn't do enough to win. Neither did Swansea.
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We looked pretty good. Created a shed load of chances, just a shame we couldn't finish one.
Not too disheartened, just feel a bit shit.
We did? 7 shots, 2 on goal isn't a shed load. Man City with 43 shots today = shed load. It would have been nice to have got to 5 shots on target.
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Well that was rather disappointing and puts us right in the shit again. We looked flat for so much of the game and gave Swansea way too much time. I really thought we would get into them but they really are very good at controlling the pace of the game and keeping the ball. Fuck me as the kids would say...
We're not right in the shit again. It hasn't changed from last week. All we need is for Sunderland and Hull to lose.
Agree
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It looked like a decent midtable contest today. We weren't very good, and they were better. Not much to fault Sherwood on (although I'd have rather seen Gil come on - did Weimann do anything at all?), but that high line did kill us in the end, as they got in behind once too many. The high line is necessary if you want to play on the front foot at home, though, so it's just one of those risks.
Not such a bad performance or a terrible result - Swansea are a good team, and they can play with the psychological freedom which comes with knowing you've nothing much to play for. The real shitters were the defeats to Stoke and Newcastle, and sacking Paul Lambert about a year too late. If we go down it won't be because we lost to Swansea, it'll be because of everything which came before.
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We looked pretty good. Created a shed load of chances, just a shame we couldn't finish one.
Not too disheartened, just feel a bit shit.
We did? 7 shots, 2 on goal isn't a shed load. Man City with 43 shots today = shed load. It would have been nice to have got to 5 shots on target.
C'mon though, this season that is a bloody shed load.
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A missed opportunity, could easily have gone the other way had we taken our chances. Not totally inconsolable, this is the reality of actually trying to win a game, sometimes we're going to lose.
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Sinclair needs to take the half chances that come his way.
That or play people in when they're in a better position. Not been impressed with him in either of the last 2 games.
That ref was fucking shit today. At least the other results largely went in our favour.
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Not a disaster and the hardest test in Sherwoods very short reign.
I think 0-0 would of been fair but just that tiny bit of quality and luck wasn't with us today.
One thing for certain though is I'm not as depressed as I was losing under Lambert.
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Fucking garbage and anyone who says anything else is deluded
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Unlucky really. Draw would have been fair. Both teams went for it. Swansea were technically better, but of course that shows the benefit of building an ethos over such a long stretch of time and bringing in the right players to do that.
Delph was immense. Clark was good.
Bacuna struggled today. He hasn't had to face anyone quick and direct in the last couple of games. Today he really struggled. I think we'll see Hutton go back to the right as soon as we've got an option on the left again. Hutton I thought did okay on the left.
Benteke was disappointing and a bit whiny. Zogbia was our most lively player first half.
My biggest disappointment today was Sinclair. He did everything right until the final decision. He wasted our best opportunities IMO. Twice he should have picked out Benteke but didn't. He was obviously intent on scoring against his old club, but unfortunately for us, he didn't. He's got to learn that if the simple pass is on, he should make it rather than trying to get a shot away from a tight angle or position.
Performance was okay. Result very disappointing. Saying that, had Bony played for them we might have got battered but we really are down to the bare bones defensively. With that in mind the players have coped quite well of late.
We've got to dust ourselves off and move onto the next games. We do have some options though, so TS can switch things around up top if needs be. I'd drop Sinclair and give Grealish or Gil a start next time. He'll offer a little more composure.
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Fucking garbage and anyone who says anything else is deluded
Boo
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We kept making the wrong decisions for all the chances we created. I thought Bacuna's crossing was awful, a point would of been a decent result, losing late on again is annoying though.
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Not a disaster and the hardest test in Sherwoods very short reign.
I think 0-0 would of been fair but just that tiny bit of quality and luck wasn't with us today.
One thing for certain though is I'm not as depressed as I was losing under Lambert.
Deja vu
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Boo you too. Thought we were very poor and created very little.
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Just let's say we aren't out of the shit yet..3 mins to go and the goal we conceded was pretty defendable..ffs villa use you fuckin brains.
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Not a disaster and the hardest test in Sherwoods very short reign.
I think 0-0 would of been fair but just that tiny bit of quality and luck wasn't with us today.
One thing for certain though is I'm not as depressed as I was losing under Lambert.
Deja vu
HA , I was trying to copy & paste something esle. I still don't know how to upload a vid or pic on here.
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We kept making the wrong decisions for all the chances we created. I thought Bacuna's crossing was awful, a point would of been a decent result, losing late on again is annoying though.
Predominently Sinclair was making those wrong decision sadly. I think he was too intent on proving some point to Swansea fans and taking on shots that just weren't on. Benteke was twice in acres of space and should have been put through.
Bacuna was disappointing. Going forward and defending. He also fudged a couple of set pieces, and still we don't seem to have a single decent corner taker.
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It looked like a decent midtable contest today. We weren't very good, and they were better. Not much to fault Sherwood on (although I'd have rather seen Gil come on - did Weimann do anything at all?), but that high line did kill us in the end, as they got in behind once too many. The high line is necessary if you want to play on the front foot at home, though, so it's just one of those risks.
Weimann was totally unmarked, close to the penalty spot on one of the occasions Sinclair greedily decided he wanted the glory. So though he did nothing, he might have scored had it not been for Sinclair.
Montero was looking dangerous and I thought we needed to switch Hutton and Bacuna over and see how long it would take for them to put Montero on the other side.
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Boo you too. Thought we were very poor and created very little.
I disagree man. I thought Sunderland were very poor and created very little last week...I think we were better than that today.
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Just let's say we aren't out of the shit yet..3 mins to go and the goal we conceded was pretty defendable..ffs villa use you fuckin brains.
Same as Stoke
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It looked like a decent midtable contest today. We weren't very good, and they were better. Not much to fault Sherwood on (although I'd have rather seen Gil come on - did Weimann do anything at all?), but that high line did kill us in the end, as they got in behind once too many. The high line is necessary if you want to play on the front foot at home, though, so it's just one of those risks.
Weimann was totally unmarked, close to the penalty spot on one of the occasions Sinclair greedily decided he wanted the glory. So though he did nothing, he might have scored had it not been for Sinclair.
Montero was looking dangerous and I thought we needed to switch Hutton and Bacuna over and see how long it would take for them to put Montero on the other side.
With the run coming up I'm hoping we can get Lowton and Cissokho back to give us more defensive options at FB. I sense in a few of the upcoming games against decent opposition Bacuna will get absolutely murdered. He was pretty poor today.
Gomis pulled to the left a few times and Bacuna and Okore just bounced off him like rag dolls. He's a beast, but I expect Okore for one to stand up to that better.
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Well that was rather disappointing and puts us right in the shit again. We looked flat for so much of the game and gave Swansea way too much time. I really thought we would get into them but they really are very good at controlling the pace of the game and keeping the ball. Fuck me as the kids would say...
Well we were never out of the shit. I knew today would be hard, but had hoped we would get at least a draw to keep the progress steady. Its maybe a sign that the players still struggle to deal with fans expectations at home.
Will wait til I see the highlights later before commenting. But no real point in getting down. Things have been much better and one defeat doesn't change that. We always had a little more work today, but it is still in our hands espically with QPR and Burnley still to play.
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A really disappointing performance I thought. However, its a wake up call as we're still very much in the mix.
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What I mean by being in the shit is that at this point in the season momentum is critical and we had a lot of it. 3 very big wins and today should have been at least a point. We need to pick something up every game and especially when those around us aren't. Palace won at Stoke, Leicester fought hard at Spurs. Now Hull and Sunderland will get hope from us not taking our chance to pull clear, or at least add to our points total.
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We were absolutely crap all game. Swansea had our measure from the first whistle to the last. They deserved it today, Villa were garbage.
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Draw would have been a fair result. A 3-3 draw that is.
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Who was their number 4? He was at the root of everything they did today and no one thought to put a boot into him. Annoying in the extreme.
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What is still quite blatantly clear though, is that Delph is head and shoulders above the rest of our CM. Cleverley had been in decent form of late and it was a shame he went off injured. He'd not started great but may have got into the game more as we went on.
Sanchez is painfully slow. There was one point where he and Ki went for a ball. Sanchez has a good 2 yard head start but Ki still got there first. Now we were linked with Ki in the summer and one worry many on here had about him, were he to join, was that he's immobile. So what that makes Sanchez, I don't know. He just looks lost in high tempo games. I'm not sure this is the league for him.
Westwood in all honesty is all fart and no shit.
I still think we'll stay up but I believe Sherwood will take a look at things and quickly identify that our midfield needs immediate rectifying. We need someone as good as Delph to play with Delph. Cork, Shelvey and Ki are fairly good players. Nothing special but they ran midfield. I actually think Delph is the best midfielder who was on the pitch today, but he's one man against three, playing with a couple of Ghosts. We even bring in just someone half decent and we'll be better.
Cut our losses with Sanchez, perhaps look to cash in on Westwood. I think Gardner needs his chance (as a squaddie initially). But we need 1-2 first choice additions in the middle to compliment Fab.
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Who was their number 4? He was at the root of everything they did today and no one thought to put a boot into him. Annoying in the extreme.
Sanchez probably tried but he's always 10 minutes late to every challenge.
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Draw would have been a fair result. A 3-3 draw that is. Into the Wellington for a pint.
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They were just better than us today. I don't think we're ready to trouble the top half sides yet.
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Who was their number 4? He was at the root of everything they did today and no one thought to put a boot into him. Annoying in the extreme.
Ki. He ran the game for Sunderland last year too.
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The afternoon got off to a bad start as the roads around King Edwards were closed off by 'a police incident' (rumoured to be a stabbing) so had to park elsewhere. Then the game was pretty flat both performance and atmosphere wise. Truth be told we were lucky not to be 2-0 down by half time but thought we should have got a point overall. Guzan made a couple of decent saves but at other times he was all over the place and his kicking at times was woeful. Sinclair could/should have scored again and if he'd looked up at times he could have found Benteke in space instead of shooting. Hutton isn't a left back but we seem to be rapidly running out of defenders and options. All in all it was just a bit....meh
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Thought we looked better in the 2nd half. Delph took control of the game more.
Bacuna had a bad day.
N'Zogbia needs to get his head up and stick to the basics.
Gabby was Ok, lacks that predatory instinct.
Okore hasn't looked good since Sherwood came in, where as Clark has looked solid.
Thought Guzan was poor, wasn't confident with anything he did.
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The high line cost us in the end.
Countless times in the first half Swansea got around the back 4 but Gomis couldn't hit a barn door. Gut wrenching he then decided to score right at the end.
Still if Sinclair for one had his shooting boots on we'd still have nicked a draw, infuriating he connected too well with that chance at the end.
Didn't like the subs today either, Sherwood got those wrong I think.
Still feels like this will go to the wire, we really need to beat QPR.
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Referee was useless. Draw would have been a fair result.
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I think bringing on Westwood was a perfectly good idea - the trouble was he didn't actually perform well when on the pitch. Not much Sherwood can do about that. I would rather have seen Gil come on than Weimann, though.
On the high line, there is an argument for playing deep and counterattacking against Swansea. However, I believe that Aston Villa, at Villa Park, should make make it their business to play in the opposition half, and the high line is just one of those things which comes with that aggressive style.
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Never looked like we were likely to win but very disappointing we didn't get a point. Thought Gabby missed the best chance after they had scored, he took a split second too long to shoot and it got a deflection. Benteke very much out of sorts today and Bacuna always seems to be impressive or crap, never just steady. Oh well, I knew this wasn't going to be easy.
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What has Gil done wrong? He's a player that can make thinhs happen. A laboured display littered with mistakes. Why can't we see a game out and take a point? Brainless at the end.
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However, I believe that Aston Villa, at Villa Park, should make make it their business to play in the opposition half, and the high line is just one of those things which comes with that aggressive style.
Not sure I agree. Whether we're home or away it shouldn't really matter, we should be playing a system and formation to suit us best against who we're playing.
And giving Routledge and Montero that much spaces to run into was asking for trouble.
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Swansea played well. Thought Delph and Clark were excellent.
Our game suffered when Sanchez came on.
Sinclair needs to take the half chances that come his way.
Hutton was better than Lowton would have been, but less effective than on the right.
Don't agree. We suffered because the strikers were crap today
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Sat 3 rows behind the bench today - Tin shouted "fucking hell" more times than I did!
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Referee was useless. Draw would have been a fair result.
Totally agree, he allowed Swansea players to get away with a lot
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However, I believe that Aston Villa, at Villa Park, should make make it their business to play in the opposition half, and the high line is just one of those things which comes with that aggressive style.
Not sure I agree. Whether we're home or away it shouldn't really matter, we should be playing a system and formation to suit us best against who we're playing.
And giving Routledge and Montero that much spaces to run into was asking for trouble.
Part of that was having one full back on who wasn't a full back. I agree, you need to play, what's in front of you, but one way to beat Swansea is to get after them and stop them building. We tried that today, but it didn't come off today.
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Agree about the ref being useless - viz. the huge cheer that went up towards the end when he gave us a free kick - but he didn't have any major decisions to make that affected the game. Probably just as well
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Sat 3 rows behind the bench today - Tin shouted "fucking hell" more times than I did!
(http://www.hdwallpapers.in/walls/tintin_in_french-HD.jpg)
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I thought we were dross in the first half and I was delighted to get to HT level. We had more threat in the 2nd half but Swansea always had the edge in midfield but it looked like a useful point given the Burnley defeat. I think Sherwood showed some inexperience today by opening the game up in the last ten minutes. He turned it into an end to end game when he should have protected the point. As they say, if you can't win then don't lose.
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Ref was shocking. West Brom beat these lot fairly easily a few weeks ago. Need some injured players to get fit - good job there's a 2 week break. QPR game is now a must- win.
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Just back from the match.
We were largely outplayed today, having said that Swansea are an accomplished footballing side, calm on the ball and no real weak areas, ki played well as did 33 Fernandez ?
We never really got going nor did the crowd, villa park was really flat. The place only seems to rock at night games under the floodlights.
Having said that if we'd taken our chances we could easily have taken the point.
Bacuna was really exposed by Montero several times , think I'd have played hutton RB and kept lowton as LB .
Cleverly going off was a real blow, Sanchez was hit and miss again.
Thought delph played very well as did Clark.
Guzans kicking was poor again.
Our corners were atrocious again too.
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When my son wakes up can I tell him he didn't miss much?
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In the 'I wonder what Lambert is thinking' theme is he at home now saying 'I told you it was them and not me'?
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Outnumbered in central midfeld as expected and Ki and Selby had too much time and space to set things up. I said early doors to the chap sitting next to me "Probing. That's what they are doing. Probing. Those 2 have time to sit down with a cup of tea to plan each attack". He said something about 4-4-2 but was eating a very juicy peach so I did not persue it.
Delph was very good. Zog made some nice runs. Sinclair was a massive disappointment after his recent promise and Timeh should have replaced him early doors as his head was gone.
A recent point I made about Benteke and his uselessness in the dark arts of getting his fair share of refereeing decisions was proved yet again, and he was back into moan mode. Admittedly, the officials were fucking useless which did not help. If we don't have a decent striker coach we should get someone like Kevin Davies or Alan Shearer in as consultants to tell CB a thing or two about a thing or two.
When Montero was introduced we needed to react quikly in some way but the our defensive injuries banjaxed Timeh and the jig was up.
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Outnumbered in central midfeld as expected and Ki and Selby had too much time and space to set things up. I said early doors to the chap sitting next to me "Probing. That's what they are doing. Probing. Those 2 have time to sit down with a cup of tea to plan each attack". He said something about 4-4-2 but was eating a very juicy peach so I did not persue it.
Delph was very good. Zog made some nice runs. Sinclair was a massive disappointment after his recent promise and Timeh should have replaced him early doors as his head was gone.
A recent point I made about Benteke and his uselessness in the dark arts of getting his fair share of refereeing decisions was proved yet again, and he was back into moan mode. Admittedly, the officials were fucking useless which did not help. If we don't have a decent striker coach we should get someone like Kevin Davies or Alan Shearer in as consultants to tell CB a thing or two about a thing or two.
When Montero was introduced we needed to react quikly in some way but the our defensive injuries banjaxed Timeh and the jig was up.
I've never eaten a peach at a game before, interesting.
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0-1 (http://hoofoot.com/?match=Aston_Villa_0_-_1_Swansea_City_2015_03_21)
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0-1 (http://hoofoot.com/?match=Aston_Villa_0_-_1_Swansea_City_2015_03_21)
Says my IP has been banned when I click that
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Try this (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2k750x_saw-1_sport#from=embediframe)
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Good goal that. Some lovely passes although Clarke should do better
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Just seen Sherwood's after match interview. Was impressive and honest. Accepts the defeat but doesn't look fazed. He knows we have improved and his confidence will continue to feed into the players.
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Didn't deserve to lose or win I thought.
The best and worst of our team is Benteke & Gabby. Today they were poor. Last few games they've been good. That was the difference.
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West ham winning
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YAY!
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Didn't deserve to lose or win I thought.
The best and worst of our team is Benteke & Gabby. Today they were poor. Last few games they've been good. That was the difference.
Agreed
If Gabby had a brain he would be dangerous. Neither he nor Benteke did much today
Subs were poor today
Jack should have come on instead of Weimann
Still not convinced re Sinclair
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Fairly even game in my eyes. We didn't quite get the luck or the ref today. BUT, as disappointed as I am, that was a million miles better than our Lambert performances and on another day Sinclair or Gabby score in the second half and we go on and win.
We are being positive and creating chances, that's the important thing. I am certain we won't go down.
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Looking at the positives, a further goal gained in goal diff on Burnley, no new manage bounce for sunderland
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Try this (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2k750x_saw-1_sport#from=embediframe)
Cheers
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Swansea have a proper midfield, they had an interceptor in Ki who Petrov like sits infront of the back 4, intercepts and controls the tempo, Shelvey who's improved this season and chips in with more goals than any of our midfielders do and Sigurdsson who is fine as a number 10.
It's not amazing but it's one of the main reasons they're in the top 10 comfortably and we're way off.
An on form Delph is the only one who'd get into that, we have too many wish washy central midfielders and that needs to be one of the first things Sherwood sorts out in the summer
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Just when you think we've turned a corner, something like this happens. Frustrating.
Hope Benteke's injury is nothing serious.
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Need Chelsea and Everton to do the business tomorrow. Still disappointing today. Players are dropping like flies right now, and especially in defence. Hopefully after the break we can get a few lads back because we need it badly.
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Swansea have a proper midfield, they had an interceptor in Ki who Petrov like sits infront of the back 4, intercepts and controls the tempo, Shelvey who's improved this season and chips in with more goals than any of our midfielders do and Sigurdsson who is fine as a number 10.
It's not amazing but it's one of the main reasons they're in the top 10 comfortably and we're way off.
An on form Delph is the only one who'd get into that, we have too many wish washy central midfielders and that needs to be one of the first things Sherwood sorts out in the summer
A ruthless summer is required I think. That is something I'd trust Sherwood to provide, but hopefully Randy gives him enough of a budget to make a difference.
Westwood is one player I'd cash in on. In todays market we could probably get about 5 for him. He's just a bit of a nothing player really. I'd cut our losses on Sanchez too. I'm all for giving for some players a chance, but we're in a position as a club where patience is thin. He's way, way off the pace.
We need a new left back, two CM's, another attacking option and probably a first choice CH to replace Vlaar.
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Swansea have a proper midfield, they had an interceptor in Ki who Petrov like sits infront of the back 4, intercepts and controls the tempo, Shelvey who's improved this season and chips in with more goals than any of our midfielders do and Sigurdsson who is fine as a number 10.
It's not amazing but it's one of the main reasons they're in the top 10 comfortably and we're way off.
An on form Delph is the only one who'd get into that, we have too many wish washy central midfielders and that needs to be one of the first things Sherwood sorts out in the summer
Shelvey should be in the England squad. He aint brill, but he is as good as some of the others
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Sanchez is a weird one, looked like he had adjusted to the league but just lately has gone back to looking like it's too fast for him. Gives the ball away so often, and will then hit a lovely pass or two. And then give the ball away loads again.
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Guzan - Poor and not commanding in the area, almost back to when he first came in
Bacuna - Swansea stopped him pushing forward by putting the winger on and defending is not what he is best at
Hutton - Solid
Okure - Good performance , nothing special
Clark - First choice at centre back now
Sinclair - Lively and on another day could have not a couple
Delph - Started quietly and came into it much more as game went on
Cleverley - Believe we missed him when he went off as sanchez totally different
N'Zogbia - Lively but not as effective today
Benteke - Below par and guess struggled second half with injury
Gabby - Worked hard but average today
Sanshez - does not offer anything going forward
Westwood - As above
Weimann - Poor
It was a disappointing result and I guess our expectations had been raised but Swansea came and played excellent free flowing football and I believe just about shaded a win
Lets go again
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No complaints from me, I thought we were as poor this week as we were good last. We were fortunate to go in at HT with a chance.
The energy just wasnt there and we were one paced all through the game, we were outnumbered in midfield and that let them control the tempo. We also lacked physicality and lost far too many challenges, that said the ref was abysmal.
Overall, a bad day at the office for most players.
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What was the crowd today? The official site says 00 but I'm sure it was more than that.
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What was the crowd today? The official site says 00 but I'm sure it was more than that.
For some reason they didn't announce it during the game. I'd guess around 33K.
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Holte looked pretty full, I'd have thought nearer 35k ?
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Plenty of seats in the upper WL but the rest of the ground seemed full.
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Atmosphere never got going today
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Bad result, we were too open and need to learn from that. But fortunately every other game went our way. Hopefully QPR will lose tomorrow and essentially it's as you were with one less game to play. Hopefully Sherwood will learn from the game and get our balance better moving forward.
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Aaaaaaaargh.
*eyes rapidly emptying bottle of Pimm's*
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What was the crowd today?
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What was the crowd today? The official site says 00 but I'm sure it was more than that.
I'm pretty sure it was 35,867, which by sheer coincidence was my prediction on the GTC thread
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Very typical Villa today. Put a string of good results together, causing a great turnout at Villa Park to see us take on a comfortable mid-table team that everyone forgets about and they turn us over.
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Frustrating in the end. Swansea are a funny side as you never know quite what you will get. We were second best first half, but managed to weather the two or three chances they had to et ourselves more on top in the second where we wasted our own. Gabby should have scored and Sinclair went close, before we're hit on the counter.
The results went for us but it's a shame we haven't extended that gap.
I felt they were quite lightweight but were offered far too much protection by the referee.
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The annoying thing is whilst we weren't great we carved out a couple of clear chances that should have been buried.
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We improved in the second half and a point would have been ok given the first half. Agree Delph and Clark played very well. Okore looked cumbersome at times, Sanchez seems to have an accident waiting to happen up his sleeve and Guzan has started to look shaky.
It was obvious from watching Montero before that he would be a threat running down the wing, so it was disappointing we made no changes to address this and it proved costly.
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What was the crowd today? The official site says 00 but I'm sure it was more than that.
I'm pretty sure it was 35,867, which by sheer coincidence was my prediction on the GTC thread
Been looking, but it's not been released yet.
GTCers, stand by!
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Atmosphere never got going today
Needs a big hole putting in that bloody drum!
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This is turning into Parma Mk II
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It was all a bit after the Lord mayor's show.
Thank god the other results went our way.
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If we were the away team and Benteke had the chances that Gomis had and we didn't win, we'd be well pissed off. He must have had 3 or 4 gilt edged chances before he scored. The ref helped them but I don't think we can have too many complaints.
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Frustrating in the end. Swansea are a funny side as you never know quite what you will get. We were second best first half, but managed to weather the two or three chances they had to et ourselves more on top in the second where we wasted our own. Gabby should have scored and Sinclair went close, before we're hit on the counter.
The results went for us but it's a shame we haven't extended that gap.
I felt they were quite lightweight but were offered far too much protection by the referee.
Pretty much on the button for how I saw it. Losing was harsh but didn't do enough to convince anyone else.
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I don't think Swansea were "lightweight" at all. They are a big strong footballing side. Lots of sizeable players - williams, Fernandez, ki, Shelvey, Gomis, Sigurdsson.
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We got the tactics wrong....Overrun in midfield.....Too high a line....
We'll get the points we need though. Probably.
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We were lucky not to lose by more and when we got into good situations we squandered the opportunity, Sinclair was guilty of poor decision making today. The amount of times that we played the wrong pass or the right pass badly was frustrating.
We still look a lot better than the Lambert team but this jut shows we have a lot more work to do.
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Just home after a great day, except for the game. Only read last couple of posts, the best team won IMHO. Cork and Ki bossed the midfield and we really didn't get in their faces as I thought we would. Thought Sinclair was powderpuff, some of his attempts for headers were a total disgrace and one could have resulted in a penalty for them. Said to the lad with about 8 minutes left that we need to make sure we don't lose the game. What the feck happened, the donkey of a centre forward scored from Monteiro (sp) on the left. As soon as he came on, we should have switched the full backs, he is a talent and created three good chances in the little time he was on the field. MOTM Villa I would go Okore, but they were all pretty average
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They were much better than us in the first half but we are now at least creating chances.
Benteke and Gabby were poor today and I think Sherwood made a mistake with all of his subsitutions.
It's still a kick in the balls to lose so late though, the Stoke and Swansea potential points would be like gold dust now.
Went to he game in the sunshine feeling more optmistic than in years, but i really should have known better.
It's going to be very close.
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I don't think Swansea were "lightweight" at all. They are a big strong footballing side. Lots of sizeable players - williams, Fernandez, ki, Shelvey, Gomis, Sigurdsson.
They're a bunch of prissy tapdancers.
The ref was only too keen to blow up in their favour, but I thought we were rubbish today; they seemed to have us sussed out from the start.
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They were much better than us in the first half but we are now at least creating chances.
Benteke and Gabby were poor today and I think Sherwood made a mistake with all of his subsitutions.
It's still a kick in the balls to lose so late though, the Stoke and Swansea potential points would be like gold dust now.
Went to he game in the sunshine feeling more optmistic than in years, but i really should have known better.
It's going to be very close.
Cleverley was injured, think he made the right choice in Sanchez. I would have done Grealish or Gill for Sinclair second choice and Benteke wasn't fit so not much choice in third
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Problem is we have just 8 games now 4 of which look like write offs.
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They were much better than us in the first half but we are now at least creating chances.
Benteke and Gabby were poor today and I think Sherwood made a mistake with all of his subsitutions.
It's still a kick in the balls to lose so late though, the Stoke and Swansea potential points would be like gold dust now.
Went to he game in the sunshine feeling more optmistic than in years, but i really should have known better.
It's going to be very close.
Benteke and Gabby got shite service
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Second game I have been to this season and to be honest I was a bit underwhelmed. Swansea had done their homework and nullified N'Zogbia by chanelling his runs into areas they could pick the ball off him. Similarly Sinclair and with Bacuna fully occupied they more or less cut off supply lines. Gabby and Benteke struggled as they always do when starved of service. Swansea are good in possession and made our boys do an awful lot of running.
I was concerned to see Benteke pick up another hip injury ( is he very injury prone or just unlucky?)
Sherwood has injected more confidence into the team but on today's evidence I think we will do well to stay up.
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Just home after a 400 mile round trip. What will stick in my mind about today's game? Diabolical refereeing by the sort of referee who when he is criticized becomes even more one sided just to show you how he cannot be influenced by the crowd. His sort never ever consider that the home crowd might be right and he might be wrong. He destroyed our continuity and lifted their confidence. We were out played in midfield in the first half and the Sanchez substitution made matters worse. His distribution is sloppy and he is too easily dispossessed. With a quarter of an hour to go there were three points up for grabs and he should have brought on Gil or Grealish but he brought on Weimann who adds absolutely nothing. Swansea are the best team Sherwood has had to face and I think he did not cover himself with distinction. Benteke got no protection at all from the referee and I hope he is not too badly injured. Mostly I shall remember the shit referee. And Brad Guzan making too many errors of late.
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Weimann needs shipping out of the club. I fear Sanchez is not PL standard too.
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Just home after a 400 mile round trip. What will stick in my mind about today's game? Diabolical refereeing by the sort of referee who when he is criticized becomes even more one sided just to show you how he cannot be influenced by the crowd. His sort never ever consider that the home crowd might be right and he might be wrong. He destroyed our continuity and lifted their confidence. We were out played in midfield in the first half and the Sanchez substitution made matters worse. His distribution is sloppy and he is too easily dispossessed. With a quarter of an hour to go there were three points up for grabs and he should have brought on Gil or Grealish but he brought on Weimann who adds absolutely nothing. Swansea are the best team Sherwood has had to face and I think he did not cover himself with distinction. Benteke got no protection at all from the referee and I hope he is not too badly injured. Mostly I shall remember the shit referee. And Brad Guzan making too many errors of late.
It was a shame Cleverley went off as he was looking lively. Sanchez didn't lose too much ball from my now goggle eyed memory, different player but who else would come on? Benteke didn't look up for it IMO, the injury gave him an outlet. Wont moan about that substitution, but reckon he fecked up on the second with Westwood for NZog, why not Sinclair?
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Missed all coverage of footy today. Just seen our result and would never considered 0.1 as a result. I thought 1.1 or 3.1 to us. I thought it would be a given we would score at least one. So bit pissed off. Did we play well or the usual home swallock?
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I think Mr Sherwood got out done by Monk today. You would have thought it was silly to remove both Sigurdsson and Shelvy and bring on Montero and Dyer but those changes unhinged us and we were hanging on in the last 15 till they scored. Sherwood's subs Weimann and Westwood made no sense and equal amount of impact whereas Montero and Dyer and even Routledge exploited our high line. Having said if Sinclair had shown a little more composure he could have scored twice in the second half and won the game for us.
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Missed all coverage of footy today. Just seen our result and would never considered 0.1 as a result. I thought 1.1 or 3.1 to us. I thought it would be a given we would score at least one. So bit pissed off. Did we play well or the usual home swallock?
Swansea were better than us, but we should have got a fecking point
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I thought zog was playing well. Taking him off made little sense .
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I thought we played alright. I wouldn't have complained at a draw to be honest. It's a set back, so let's see how bounce back.
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I thought we played alright. I wouldn't have complained at a draw to be honest. It's a set back, so let's see how bounce back.
Did you really? I would have been chuffed with a draw as they outclassed us over the pitch IMO.
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Has anybody posted what our manager actually said in his post match interview? I was worried he would rip into the referee (which is what he thoroughly deserved) and get himself in hot water.
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We were second best throughout. Should have been a couple down by half time and I didn't feel confident that we would score today. Good side Swansea. Sinclair volley at the end was a terrible miss. Bacuna is crap, we were too light in midfield, I didn't get the Westwood for N'Zogbia switch either. I hope this defeat gives us something to learn from. Agree with others, referee was very poor.
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I thought we played alright. I wouldn't have complained at a draw to be honest. It's a set back, so let's see how bounce back.
Did you really? I would have been chuffed with a draw as they outclassed us over the pitch IMO.
You reckon they outclassed us all over the pitch, but they only scored 1 goal?
Yeah, I thought we were ok to be honest? I've seen us play worse.
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Technically Swansea were very good today, I'd guess one of their best performances of the season.
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I thought we played alright. I wouldn't have complained at a draw to be honest. It's a set back, so let's see how bounce back.
Did you really? I would have been chuffed with a draw as they outclassed us over the pitch IMO.
You reckon they outclassed us all over the pitch, but they only scored 1 goal?
Yeah, I thought we were ok to be honest? I've seen us play worse.
I have seen us play worse, but yes I do think they were better than us all over the pitch, especially Cork and Ki in midfield. Only todays performance, how many would you choose ahead of them?
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Technically Swansea were very good today, I'd guess one of their best performances of the season.
They outclassed Liverpool at home first half on Monday. Was speaking to a lad after and he said they are decent but miss Bony
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Problem is we have just 8 games now 4 of which look like write offs.
Why do they look like write-offs?
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I thought we played alright. I wouldn't have complained at a draw to be honest. It's a set back, so let's see how bounce back.
Did you really? I would have been chuffed with a draw as they outclassed us over the pitch IMO.
You reckon they outclassed us all over the pitch, but they only scored 1 goal?
Yeah, I thought we were ok to be honest? I've seen us play worse.
I have seen us play worse, but yes I do think they were better than us all over the pitch, especially Cork and Ki in midfield. Only todays performance, how many would you choose ahead of them?
I don't think they were better than us all over the pitch. If it finishes 0-0, I don't think there would have been too many complaints from either side.
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Problem is we have just 8 games now 4 of which look like write offs.
Why do they look like write-offs?
They are all far better than us and have home advantage.
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Technically Swansea were very good today, I'd guess one of their best performances of the season.
They outclassed Liverpool at home first half on Monday. Was speaking to a lad after and he said they are decent but miss Bony
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Problem is we have just 8 games now 4 of which look like write offs.
Why do they look like write-offs?
They are all far better than us and have home advantage.
So we should write them off then?
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Problem is we have just 8 games now 4 of which look like write offs.
Why do they look like write-offs?
They are all far better than us and have home advantage.
Like Liverpool earlier in the season were better than us and had home advantage? Or Man City and Arsenal have been better than us and had home advantage over the last couple of seasons?
You write them off it you want to.
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Technically Swansea were very good today, I'd guess one of their best performances of the season.
They outclassed Liverpool at home first half on Monday. Was speaking to a lad after and he said they are decent but miss Bony
Not write offs at all. Get one or two of the injured players back and we might pull off a surprise or two. Got to make sure we beat QPR and Burnley but the other games can also spring surprises.
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Problem is we have just 8 games now 4 of which look like write offs.
Why do they look like write-offs?
They are all far better than us and have home advantage.
Like Liverpool earlier in the season were better than us and had home advantage? Or Man City and Arsenal have been better than us and had home advantage over the last couple of seasons?
You write them off it you want to.
As its Acorns day, £5 to Acorns for every point we take in those 4.
Hoping I'm donating £60.
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Problem is we have just 8 games now 4 of which look like write offs.
Why do they look like write-offs?
They are all far better than us and have home advantage.
So we should write them off then?
Yep. Let's write to the FA to concede that unfortunately we will not be able to fulfil those fixtures because we need to save ourselves for the 4 games that we might have a chance with.
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Problem is we have just 8 games now 4 of which look like write offs.
Why do they look like write-offs?
They are all far better than us and have home advantage.
Like Liverpool earlier in the season were better than us and had home advantage? Or Man City and Arsenal have been better than us and had home advantage over the last couple of seasons?
You write them off it you want to.
As its Acorns day, £5 to Acorns for every point we take in those 4.
Hoping I'm donating £60.
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Why not make it £100 per point? Why not £1,000? They're write-offs, your money is clearly safe.
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Problem is we have just 8 games now 4 of which look like write offs.
Why do they look like write-offs?
They are all far better than us and have home advantage.
Like Liverpool earlier in the season were better than us and had home advantage? Or Man City and Arsenal have been better than us and had home advantage over the last couple of seasons?
You write them off it you want to.
As its Acorns day, £5 to Acorns for every point we take in those 4.
Hoping I'm donating £60.
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Why not make it £100 per point? Why not £1,000? They're write-offs, your money is clearly safe.
I don't have that much .
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& why not take it in the spirit it's meant on Acorns Day.
Happy Acorns Day to all the kids.
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Too many of our players play on instinct, with little thought, hoping that quick directness will nick us a goal or two. Swansea are far more assured in possession and the first half was embarrassing at times, looking at how more accomplished they were at keeping possession and playing the ball in behind our defence on numerous occasions.
We harried them better in the second half and created a few half-chances but, sadly, the better team won it just as it seemed we'd got a slightly fortunate, crucial point.
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Very disappointing result. Didn't see the game but a 0-0 draw would have kept the momentum going. Guess we picked up two points with Foster's late brainfart and dropped two points with the late losses to Stoke and Swansea.
Feared for us today when I saw the lineups. Cork is a very solid addition for them and they have the players with technical ability to exploit our fairly one paced midfield. Super passes from Routledge and Montero for the winner but we were far too open for that stage of the game.
Sunderland seemed to get robbed at West Ham today, we might have got away with it if Everton do the business against QPR
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Too many of our players play on instinct, with little thought, hoping that quick directness will nick us a goal or two. Swansea are far more assured in possession and the first half was embarrassing at times, looking at how more accomplished they were at keeping possession and playing the ball in behind our defence on numerous occasions.
We harried them better in the second half and created a few half-chances but, sadly, the better team won it just as it seemed we'd got a slightly fortunate, crucial point.
Totally correct, I said to my lad with ten mins left that we will do well to get a point. We pressured them to an extent but not enough. Think Sinclair was a liability in that respect and NZog as well to a lesser extent
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Draw would have been fair result, one goal was always going to settle it, unfortunately went the wrong way. Have faith onwards and UPWARDS
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The first half was definitely Swansea's, but I thought we came back into in the second half.
A month ago I would not have thought I would ever be writing this, but I think Cleverly going off affected our game plan, which was to harry and hustle their midfield, Sanchez is to slow and crab like to play that sort of game, he is a player that suits down to the ground Lamberts pass for pass sake and keep in sideways, not get in your face and hassle type of player.
Thought he brought Westwood on to try to secure the point, but Westwood to me offers nothing, but Gill again may want to much time on the ball so not the preferred option.
Gusan a worry, do not agree that Clark had a good game, he has been very good this season, but I thought today he was off his game, their big danger was from free kicks with Sigurdson, the worse two given away was by Clark in central positions to near the box and he got out muscled and out paced for the goal, plus his distribution at times was poor. Sinclair was trying too hard against his old club and took on at least 2 occasions the wrong option.
Mr. Sherwood learn from this and I am sure he will, every game is their to be won none are gimmes for the opposition, just ask Man City/Burnley.
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Disappointing result but half expected to be honest. I thought we would struggle against a team whose strength is keeping the ball and passing it around.I saw them outplay Liverpool earlier in the week and they should have won but Liverpool got lucky.
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For me, Swansea were neat and tidy but much of what they did was dull backwards and sideways passing with little incision or attacking intent, an easier-on-the eye version of Lambert football. I was gutted about the result, and whilst we were low-key compared to recent matches, felt we did enough to draw or even nick the win.
Such a contrasting feeling waking up this morning though, still lets not be greedy- can't have famous victories every week- still capable of springing surprises at any of the tough-looking away matches- feeling optimistic about all of them bar man city to be honest- lets enjoy them!
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I think Man City could bring out a very good performance from us and Spurs are definitely beatable. Lot of twists and turns still to come. Having slept on it two principal things caused our stumble yesterday, shocking refereeing and Sinclair's selfishness.
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It's unfortunate that the best chances we had fell to Sinclair who has not impressed me that much, would have thought Sherwood would have replaced him with Gil after half time.
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Pissed off, home form does us again. Glad the teams around us lost, Next few games tough but so are Burnleys
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Lets face it we were never going to Win all our winnable games
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Yes Rob our bit of the Holte Lower was demanding/expecting Gil to come on and make a final push for three points in the last quarter of an hour. Weimann was the wrong knee jerk substitution. He adds nothing and nothing was what we got.
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Lets face it we were never going to Win all our winnable games
You are right but if the worst happens we look at Swansea and Stoke as being two games where the point should've been protected at all costs, I think we now have to get some unexpected points on the road which, yesterday aside, we seem capable of given the correct application.
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We were playing a make-shift left back and right back, and when they took Sigurddson off, putting on Montero and went wide, Baccuna was basically ripped a new one. Surprised that Hutton didn't come across as the threat developed, after all Sherwood had identified to the whole World that Baccuna had been given a "microwave" course in playing right back last week and as soon as the kid came on it was pretty obvious where they were targeting later in the match when concentration levels drop.
Attacking-wise, at least our midfielders are getting ahead of the strikers. Didn't understand Westwood for N'Zogbia unless it was to counter the threat on the right [which it didn't do]. Would have liked to have seen Gil at that time. Weimann? Meh.
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Not a bad game to watch by any means but we fell a little short. Delph played very well,especially in the second half. Bacuna failed to reach the heights of last week by a long chalk and clearly Alan Hutton was uncomfortable at left back so the forwards did not receive much of a service.
I would have expected Gil to come on at some stage but it would appear that our manager has serious reservations about him. The fans do not share the same opinion but we will have to wait and see.
We move on to the next game.
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I like that observation about concentration levels dropping at the end of a game. We are serial offenders in that sphere.
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Not seen the details but I presume Lowton was injured, as he had been doing OK at LB?
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Not seen the details but I presume Lowton was injured, as he had been doing OK at LB?
Wasnt on the bench either so you'd assume so.
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Meh. We played OK and could've got a draw. A loss isn't too bad with the way the other results have gone. Fair play to Swansea for coming and making a game of it - there was some really good football being played by both sides at times. Shame Bacuna couldn't pass a 5-year-olds spelling test tho'.
Oh and whoever came up with the idea of that drum in the Holte needs banning from the ground. It annoyed me from P8 in the Witton Lane!
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Bloke behind us was convinced that Bony was playing up front. Doh!
Anyhoo, how come players like Weinman and Westwood get time on the pitch, when we have a little game changing dynamo like Carles Gil on the bench?
Oh and the ref was shite and the linos had poorer eyesight than Mr Magoo.
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I didn't think we were too bad all things considered, but the makeshift defence came back to bite us in the arse like many had been predicting. As it stands we're one game closer to the end of the season, not really any safer, but with the other results going our way (so far at least) we're not really any worse off than we were.
We'll be fine.
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Any attendance info yet ?
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That Weimann sub made me question Sherwood's tactical awareness.Bizarre and utterly wrong.A game loser in fact.
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Guess if all clear cut chances had gone in it would of ended about 2-4.
We were beaten fairly and squarely by the better side, sometimes you have to hold your hands up.
Yes the ref was poor but I don't think he affected the overall out outcome
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That Weimann sub made me question Sherwood's tactical awareness.Bizarre and utterly wrong.A game loser in fact.
I wouldn't say it cost us the game. Gil or Grealish would have been better perhaps though.
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The Weimann sub was an error, I think, but bringing on Westwood was the right thing to do even if he didn't actually play well (you can't help that as a manager). Yes they got behind our high line a few times, but if we'd done a Lambert Mk I and sat everyone behind the ball, waiting for the chance to break, Swansea could have had about 70% possession and we wouldn't have got out of our half and we'd be moaning that Sherwood was so negative. Sometimes you can have a perfectly good strategy and just lose to the better side, and I think that happened yesterday.
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I think i'd have brought Gil on instead of Weimann, but I wouldn't say that bringing on a striker to replace the striker who went off because of injury is either 'bizarre' or 'utterly wrong'.
And a game loser? You think the reason we lost that game was because Weimann was on the pitch for the last 20 minutes?
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Silhill: the attendance came up as 35500-odd on MOTD last night.
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Silhill: the attendance came up as 35500-odd on MOTD last night.
I don't know why but I've lost the 'quote' option on everyone's posts, apart from my own. Also I've lost the 'modify' option on my own posts.
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That Weimann sub made me question Sherwood's tactical awareness.Bizarre and utterly wrong.A game loser in fact.
I questioned the Westwood substitution more, there's no doubt Charlie N'Zog should have stayed on he was our biggest attacking threat yesterday.
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I think Westwood came on because Sherwood could see their midfield was well on top and he wanted to secure at least a point, i never see the point of Weimann to me he is out of his class in the premiership.
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Guess if all clear cut chances had gone in it would of ended about 2-4.
We were beaten fairly and squarely by the better side, sometimes you have to hold your hands up.
Yes the ref was poor but I don't think he affected the overall out outcome
Agreed they were better team but fairly and squarely does not apply to an 87th minute counter attack winner!
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Tim Sherwood spoke of his frustration as Villa went down 1-0 to Swansea.
Sherwood was downbeat at the result as Bafetimbi Gomis grabbed an 87th-minute winner for the visitors in a tight contest at Villa Park.
But the boss insisted the loss was a setback - and one his team would bounce back from.
On the defeat via a late concession, he said: "That's the second time it's happened now. It happened in my first game against Stoke - although that was a little bit later.
"It's disappointing to lose in that manner. I think we deserved a point. They were better than us in the first period. I thought after the break we looked the most likely to score.
"Losing so late makes it even more disappointing.
"There comes a point in the game when, if you look like not winning it, you make sure you don't lose it. That's twice it's happened now. We have to try and address that."
Sherwood accepted that Villa are in the basement battle but insisted that his side would fight hard from now until the end of the term to move away from trouble.
He continued: "We still know there's a lot of hard work still to be done.
"You win 4-0 last week and everyone is jumping up and down. But we knew there was still a lot of hard work to be done.
"It's a reality check, not for us, but perhaps people looking in from the outside.
"The lads are disappointed too.
"We are right in it. Every point is vital and we need to pick up as many as we can to keep ourselves safe.
"We want to do it as quickly as we possibly can but sometimes you get a kick and that's what happened to us today.
"It's a setback but we will pick ourselves."
Sherwood revealed that Villa's physiotherapists would assess Christian Benteke and Tom Cleverley.
Both players came off with injury concerns.
The boss also spoke of his frustration at the lack of defensive choices.
He added: "I would like a few more fit players.
"Hopefully this international break gives the physios the opportunity to work their magic on them."
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I thought Weimann did okay when he came on. He seemed to make the right runs, but at that point we weren't really getting the ball forwards very well. Delph chose to spank one towards the end when Weimann had peeled off and Gabby was also waiting for a through ball, so different choices may have brought a goal, who knows.
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I thought Clark was superb again, player of the season in my opinion.
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I don't think a draw would have been unfair. I felt the same in the defeats to Stoke and Newcastle. Swansea are a better side than us. That's clear to see. We tried to press them as we have done in the last few games with Sunderland and Brom, but what we saw yesterday was a side that had the technical ability to pass it through us. The quick passing and ball control were first class from them. But they have the ability to do it. Largely, we don't really.
We still threatened on the counter, and I actually enjoyed the game in as much as it was pretty open and both teams went for it.
We weren't great but I think it was less about us going about it particularly wrong, and more that they are just a better side full stop. They played quite well. That said, on another day we make better decisions and take a point or win it. Granted on another day entirely they twot us 3-0. We did improve in the second half.
As much as anything though, today showed that if we aspire to be a mid-table side like Swansea are, we need better players. Particularly in midfield. Delph's carrying the can himself most of the time and it's not fair.
I don't mind Swansea. They're a side with the potential to upset the apple cart. They're not far off. 2-3 good signings could do it. Benteke would have a field day in that side.
We're 3-4 players (maybe more) from being Swansea's current level. That is the reality.
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I thought Clark was superb again, player of the season in my opinion.
Yeh I'll go with that. He's also not the scrawny kid we saw a couple of seasons back. He's filled out, is a lot more aware and savvy against PL forwards now. He's still young relatively speaking too so will continue to improve and mature. Okore will get better also and as gets stronger we'll become a very good CB in my opinion, and between them provide a very strong base for us over the next few years.
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Any attendance info yet ?
It came up on MOTD (as Percy said) as 35,598 but I can't find it on the OS or anywhere else come to that - not even in my Sunday paper's report and results round up.
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Clark is proof that we should never write a young player off too soon. He's turning into a very good player, yet 6 months or so ago he wasn't good enough for us and was championship level. Even if fit, there is now way Vlaar or Senderos would start for me now, Clark and Okore have made those spots their own.
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I think i'd have brought Gil on instead of Weimann, but I wouldn't say that bringing on a striker to replace the striker who went off because of injury is either 'bizarre' or 'utterly wrong'.
And a game loser? You think the reason we lost that game was because Weimann was on the pitch for the last 20 minutes?
I certainly do.The hint is in the fact I wrote it.Thanks for the air quotes, so you don't "agree" with me, no need for the condescension.
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Not seen the details but I presume Lowton was injured, as he had been doing OK at LB?
He limped through the last 15 mins or so at Sunderland which made the introduction of Hepburn-Murphy a strange one as it seemed the ideal opportunity to give Kinsella a run.
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Weimann didn't do too badly. He had one good run and was surprisingly quick footed to get the ball round a defender. I honestly don't think we'll see much of him next season though. He's a trier the lad, he's just not good enough. He did as much as Benteke managed yesterday to be perfectly honest. The big man had one of his moany games unfortunately. Face like a spanked ass from start to finish.
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Not seen the details but I presume Lowton was injured, as he had been doing OK at LB?
He limped through the last 15 mins or so at Sunderland which made the introduction of Hepburn-Murphy a strange one as it seemed the ideal opportunity to give Kinsella a run.
Apparently Kinsella himself has recently had an injury, so that may have also been a consideration.
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I think i'd have brought Gil on instead of Weimann, but I wouldn't say that bringing on a striker to replace the striker who went off because of injury is either 'bizarre' or 'utterly wrong'.
And a game loser? You think the reason we lost that game was because Weimann was on the pitch for the last 20 minutes?
I certainly do.The hint is in the fact I wrote it.Thanks for the air quotes, so you don't "agree" with me, on need for the condescension.
Ok, re-reading my post I can see how that came off as a bit snarky. Sorry if it seemed condescending, that wasn't what I was going for.
I still don't get the game loser bit though. I can understand if you'd say it cost us the win, as he didn't contribute too much when he came on, but unless I missed something I don't see how he was the cause of us actually losing the match. I'm just curious about your reasoning.
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Any attendance info yet ?
It came up on MOTD (as Percy said) as 35,598 but I can't find it on the OS or anywhere else come to that - not even in my Sunday paper's report and results round up.
According to Soccerbase, the attendance = 0. Sherwood out!
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Never thought it would get so bad at VP that nobody would show up. I'd say Fox out, but appears he couldn't be arsed to be there either.
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There again, if the FA decide we have to play a game behind closed doors as punishment for the pitch invasions we can use that stat to say we've already done it
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Looking back as objectively as I can I thought we could easily have been 2-0 up before Swansea scored despite them having more of the play. Interesting that Sherwood was saying we may get caught out playing a high line and that is just what happened. The price you pay for not taking your chances I suppose.
Was talking with a chap at half time who said if we had Swansea's players and used our tactics that would be a good team - sort of know what he means. I thought Swansea were technically very good and enjoyed watching them - there was a lesson to be learned about trapping balls and not just thumping them in the general direction of a team mate.
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You get the impression at least initially we won't get many draws under Sherwood. He's going to go for it whenever he can. He would rather win one, lose one than have two draws. One thing though of that formula he wants to change is making those draws stick if we can't squeeze out a win, like yesterday or Stoke
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I'm disappointed with result I thought we would get something out of this game.
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Cleverley gave us a lot more than sanchez.
Clark quality, okore wasnt bad either
manure will pay
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I thought Clark was superb again, player of the season in my opinion.
Yeh I'll go with that. He's also not the scrawny kid we saw a couple of seasons back. He's filled out, is a lot more aware and savvy against PL forwards now. He's still young relatively speaking too so will continue to improve and mature. Okore will get better also and as gets stronger we'll become a very good CB in my opinion, and between them provide a very strong base for us over the next few years.
Clark and Okore appear to enjoy playing together to me, Vlaar should neon the bench when fit.
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'When fit'.
Ha ha, good one!
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I'd rather like to see the attendance confirmed somewhere and wonder where MOTD got their figure quoted earlier in this thread.
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There were scant few seats to be had according to select-a-seat when I booked Fri evening.wouldn't have said 7000 empties.
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There were scant few seats to be had according to select-a-seat when I booked Fri evening.wouldn't have said 7000 empties.
There seemed a couple of thousand in the Trinity Upper, maybe a thousand at each end of the Witton Lane and the same in the North Stand Upper. Add the edges of the Holte and those dotted around the ground and just over 35k-ish is about right.
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I know that this must have been answered before but are the announced attendances at football matches 'tickets sold' or 'people in ground' ?
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I know that this must have been answered before but are the announced attendances at football matches 'tickets sold' or 'people in ground' ?
Tickets sold.
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Feared for us today when I saw the lineups. Cork is a very solid addition for them and they have the players with technical ability to exploit our fairly one paced midfield. Super passes from Routledge and Montero for the winner but we were far too open for that stage of the game.
Same here. I thought it was naive to think the same line up as Sunderland would be enough to contain the Swansea midfield and so it proved. Obviously the ref didn't help but we were so poor first half, chasing shadows and not allowing ourselves to play 'on the front foot'. As others have said, Sinclair wanted to be the hero and let us and ourselves down on numerous accasions.
Taking nothing away from Swansea but did we really have to make it so easy for them? I'd also love to know what the hell Gil has done to piss off Sherwood so much. He got bullied against Stoke but if there was one player that could have unlocked the game at 0-0 it was Gil. I just hope when he does eventually return he still has the confidence to do the magical things he's so capable of delivering.
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I'd rather like to see the attendance confirmed somewhere and wonder where MOTD got their figure quoted earlier in this thread.
typical, i get somewhere near on "guess the crowd" and theres a bloody stewards enquiry.... :-)
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I'd rather like to see the attendance confirmed somewhere and wonder where MOTD got their figure quoted earlier in this thread.
typical, i get somewhere near on "guess the crowd" and theres a bloody stewards enquiry.... :-)
I feel your pain! Trouble is, lots of guesses are in 35 -36 k territory, simboy, so it needs to be an official figure really, before points get thrown around. Thanks for entering!
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Feared for us today when I saw the lineups. Cork is a very solid addition for them and they have the players with technical ability to exploit our fairly one paced midfield. Super passes from Routledge and Montero for the winner but we were far too open for that stage of the game.
Same here. I thought it was naive to think the same line up as Sunderland would be enough to contain the Swansea midfield and so it proved. Obviously the ref didn't help but we were so poor first half, chasing shadows and not allowing ourselves to play 'on the front foot'. As others have said, Sinclair wanted to be the hero and let us and ourselves down on numerous accasions.
Taking nothing away from Swansea but did we really have to make it so easy for them? I'd also love to know what the hell Gil has done to piss off Sherwood so much. He got bullied against Stoke but if there was one player that could have unlocked the game at 0-0 it was Gil. I just hope when he does eventually return he still has the confidence to do the magical things he's so capable of delivering.
Re Gil, dont think he is suited to the 442 Timmy wants us to play. Sinclair, Nzogbia and Grealish are probably more suited to the flanks, marginally so.
He will get more chances, just needs to take them.
One player who has shown nothing since Sherwood took charge is Weimann, he will be off in the summer unless he shows something quickly.
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Desperately disappointed that we didn't get at least a point out of yesterday's game. Like most of us, probably really optimistic before the game, but once 10 minutes had passed started to realise what a good side Swansea are and they weren't going to give a shit about upsetting our good run.
No doubt, they were the better side, but to concede 5 minutes from the end, with a goal on the break, scored by a bloke who is famous for not scoring is just right up our back passage at the minute.
No coincidence, imho, that every team around us lost too. We missed a chance there, but so did all of the others! Thank f**k!
F**k it!
Let's go for all 3 points at ManU!
UTV!
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Feared for us today when I saw the lineups. Cork is a very solid addition for them and they have the players with technical ability to exploit our fairly one paced midfield. Super passes from Routledge and Montero for the winner but we were far too open for that stage of the game.
Same here. I thought it was naive to think the same line up as Sunderland would be enough to contain the Swansea midfield and so it proved. Obviously the ref didn't help but we were so poor first half, chasing shadows and not allowing ourselves to play 'on the front foot'. As others have said, Sinclair wanted to be the hero and let us and ourselves down on numerous accasions.
Taking nothing away from Swansea but did we really have to make it so easy for them? I'd also love to know what the hell Gil has done to piss off Sherwood so much. He got bullied against Stoke but if there was one player that could have unlocked the game at 0-0 it was Gil. I just hope when he does eventually return he still has the confidence to do the magical things he's so capable of delivering.
Re Gil, dont think he is suited to the 442 Timmy wants us to play. Sinclair, Nzogbia and Grealish are probably more suited to the flanks, marginally so.
He will get more chances, just needs to take them.
One player who has shown nothing since Sherwood took charge is Weimann, he will be off in the summer unless he shows something quickly.
Timmy's playing a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3 though (the first Baggies game was 4-3-1-2, which I loved, but was mad). Gil would fit in just as well as Zog or Gabby. I just can't help feeling that 1) there's something we don't know about Gil, 2) Sherwood has taken one of his irrational dislikes, or 3) he's determined to go ahead with the 'big name' players. It's worked well enough so far - I just wish Gil was higher up the list when it came to attacking subs.
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No worse off after the results of today and yesterday. Perhaps a minor plus is the slightly worse goal difference for Burnley. Another game gone. Leicester look fkd. QPR also look down but have two really good home games which could give them a boost, that said, only three home games left and five away. If we can get above Hull, they have some tough games in their run in. We really need to beat QPR and Burnley and get something from Everton and West Ham. Some twists and turns yet to be had. I wonder if Sunderland will get the bounce they need from appointing a new Manager?
Does anyone really think we'll get something from Man United and Spurs? Makes the QPR game massive. I hope we have some injured players back!!
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It's hard to know why Gil isn't being given a go. It might just because he's new to the country and it's a big change. He struggled against Stoke and he might simply be given more time. It might be next season before he's given a real go. I would like to see him off the central striker though. He kept ending up in all the wrong positions and trying to dribble against Stoke, before they knocked him off the ball.
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If Sinclair keeps on missing great chances we might see Gil before long
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Yes, that volley at the end was very poor. Not sure why he didn't bring it down.
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If Sinclair keeps on missing great chances we might see Gil before long
I get the impression that Sherwood doesn't rate Gil.
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Second half was fairly even, but over the whole game they probably deserved it.
We had 2 really good chances, the Gabby blocked shot and Sinclair hitting it just over.
Gomis had about 3-4 really good chances on his own.
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They were the better side but we never really knocked them off their rhythm. You get at Swansea by closing them down in their own half and pushing up on them - you need to be very fit. Ki and Cork had too much time to dictate things and leaving us outnumbered in midfield was a tactical error.
It was actually a game for playing longer and turning their back four but we played in front of them too often.
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It's hard to know why Gil isn't being given a go. It might just because he's new to the country and it's a big change. He struggled against Stoke and he might simply be given more time. It might be next season before he's given a real go. I would like to see him off the central striker though. He kept ending up in all the wrong positions and trying to dribble against Stoke, before they knocked him off the ball.
Sherwood wants us playing with pace up front and Gil's not the quickest. He'll get his chance eventually though
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It's hard to know why Gil isn't being given a go. It might just because he's new to the country and it's a big change. He struggled against Stoke and he might simply be given more time. It might be next season before he's given a real go. I would like to see him off the central striker though. He kept ending up in all the wrong positions and trying to dribble against Stoke, before they knocked him off the ball.
Sherwood wants us playing with pace up front and Gil's not the quickest. He'll get his chance eventually though
Weimann and Grealish are hardly greased lightning either though.
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It's hard to know why Gil isn't being given a go. It might just because he's new to the country and it's a big change. He struggled against Stoke and he might simply be given more time. It might be next season before he's given a real go. I would like to see him off the central striker though. He kept ending up in all the wrong positions and trying to dribble against Stoke, before they knocked him off the ball.
Sherwood wants us playing with pace up front and Gil's not the quickest. He'll get his chance eventually though
Weimann and Grealish are hardly greased lightning either though.
That's true, although both of those tend to come off the bench.
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Weimann looks a lot faster than he really is because he waves his arms a lot. A bit like an actor doing "running really fast". As for Grealish I have never seen him appear to want to run fast. He likes to lope. I have been very impressed of late how quick Cleverley is
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They were the better side but we never really knocked them off their rhythm. You get at Swansea by closing them down in their own half and pushing up on them - you need to be very fit. Ki and Cork had too much time to dictate things and leaving us outnumbered in midfield was a tactical error.
It was actually a game for playing longer and turning their back four but we played in front of them too often.
Another game where we didn't use Gabby's pace, playing right on the last man...and I just don't rate Williams - good, solid defender but he's cumbersome and slow - but we made him look like Beckenbauer in his prime by giving him so much time on the ball. Sinclair hardly had a run. We should have played them the way we did the Stripeys in the league game - in their faces!
We have got something to play for after all.
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We've clearly wanted it more than the opposition in the previous games. I didn't see that in this game.
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It's hard to know why Gil isn't being given a go. It might just because he's new to the country and it's a big change. He struggled against Stoke and he might simply be given more time. It might be next season before he's given a real go. I would like to see him off the central striker though. He kept ending up in all the wrong positions and trying to dribble against Stoke, before they knocked him off the ball.
Sherwood wants us playing with pace up front and Gil's not the quickest. He'll get his chance eventually though
Weimann and Grealish are hardly greased lightning either though.
That's true, although both of those tend to come off the bench.
They do. And for some unknown reason Gil doesn't come off the bench instead of them.
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It's hard to know why Gil isn't being given a go. It might just because he's new to the country and it's a big change. He struggled against Stoke and he might simply be given more time. It might be next season before he's given a real go. I would like to see him off the central striker though. He kept ending up in all the wrong positions and trying to dribble against Stoke, before they knocked him off the ball.
Sherwood wants us playing with pace up front and Gil's not the quickest. He'll get his chance eventually though
Weimann and Grealish are hardly greased lightning either though.
That's true, although both of those tend to come off the bench.
They do. And for some unknown reason Gil doesn't come off the bench instead of them.
It may well be fitness, something even Lambert commented on (though playing would actually help that) or indeed Gil may be struggling to settle in training. I'm sure in the next month we'll see him. Sherwood will change things round if he needs too. We haven't needed to for 3 games as Zogbia and Sinclair have largely done well. But Sinclair may find his place under threat next time out.
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In all of Sherwood's previous games one or two or more of our players have responded to him by playing well above their Lambert form. Gabby, Cleverley, Charlie, Leandro have all looked liberated. Against Swansea no Villa player raised his game again so we struggled. Accepted that Swansea are the best team Sherwood's Villa has faced but we cannot fall back into back foot mode. Not bringing on Gil or Grealish when there were still three points up for grabs was old school Villa negativity.
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If Sinclair keeps on missing great chances we might see Gil before long
I get the impression that Sherwood doesn't rate Gil.
In TS's first game against Stoke Gil kept losing the ball, was hauled off and had a bit of a mardy about it (maybe a strop or maybe disappointed in his own performance - who knows) Its up to players to show their ability in training so Gil has now lost the new boy honeymoon and needs to graft
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I'm pretty sure that Sherwood also said that the way he is playing now and the players he is playing isn't going to how he'll play next year. Gil will get his chance once the pressure of relegation in past. He does need to take his chance when it comes along though, and I would like to see him get a go ahead of Weimann or N'Zgobia/Sinclair if they are a bit below par.