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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on February 28, 2015, 04:34:39 PM
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I have a dull ache in the pit of my stomach. It's acceptance we'll go down, I think.
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I am very sorry indeed for starting the Match Thread. I promise never to do it again.
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Yeah.
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I have a dull ache in the pit of my stomach. It's acceptance we'll go down, I think.
That's exactly how I feel. We went shit or bust with Sherwood, I know it's only a couple of games but it looks like the dead cat didn't bounce.
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You could guarantee that we wouldn't get any "new manager bounce".
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Urgh.
Probably deserved a point. Probably going to go down.
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No goals again another defeat we have been well and truly fucked over by the owner.
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Them 1 Us 0
Gabby?
I'll stick with my prediction of a loss.
It's all too boring and predictable, too many clueless passes, poor team selection, brain-dead players, the inevitable is highly likely and shouting 'C'mon villa' from the stands will not change their mentality.
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7 games in a row 7 fcukin games in a row.
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Sherwood has played 2 and lost 2. Doomed.
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Carvers second win only.
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We are going down all right.
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Utterly hopeless. I don't think any manager would keep that team of shite up.
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We went shit or bust with Sherwood
We probably went both shit AND bust.
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Piss poor. Didn't expect much else to be honest.
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Today was the day I lost all hope.
We're doomed.
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There's nothing left in an already empty tank. The trapdoor is slowly opening.
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I honestly don't know when we'll score, let alone get a point. I know it's a cliche we level at the Noses, but it's utterly heartbreaking to go through this every fucking weekend. Plus I get a nice reprise of it on Tuesday evening too.
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We replaced one bad manager with another, and many of the players are very bad. Not a good recipe.
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What a mess we are.
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Horseshit. Next.
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When you are on top in football you have to score. The usual sucker punch, as usual from a mistake and not long before half time.
The levels of what is acceptable have been left to drop for too long, coaching, tactics, training, fitness, everything. It's all been left to drop and drop and drop, it's hard to turn a juggernaut around and Sherwood isn't going to do it for me.
We are fucked, this team will not keep themselves up.
Thanks Randy, utter wanker. Thanks Lambert, utter thicko.
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Can't see where the wins are going to come from to get us out of this. I genuinely think we're doomed.
FFS.
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i love villa, i feel were down
i dread the championship
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Palace and Albion winning, has probably put them too far out of our reach.
Luckily Burnley, Sunderland and Hull all lost, or I think I'd be giving up now.
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We're down, there is no way that shower of shit is getting out of this. I despise the bloody lot of them there isn't one player I would be sorry to see go.
Fuck you Lerner you're a fucking imbecile.
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Spineless. Bereft of ideas or creativity. Sickening :-[
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If we're lose the Albion game I think we're fucked.
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Houdini couldn't get out of this one. Doomed. Fuck off Lerner, lambert, the players. We are absolutely pathetic.
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We replaced one bad manager with another, and many of the players are very bad. Not a good recipe.
Your calling him a bad manager after just two games!!!!
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What has happened to Delph as well?
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Doesn't bode well for the Olbion matches. We think things are bad now, we're going to find out what misery is all about.
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At least Randy is "having fun".
Hurts much less when you're thousands of miles away.
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Cisse was the difference, the only genuine quality attacking player on the pitch.
Clark was our best player again, Benteke was a lot better to be fair. Lowton did a relatively solid job out of position. The rest merged into meh
Hopeless substitutions from our manager didnt help but we looked a beaten side after Cleverley's miss. They looked more likely to get a second than us equalising.
Guzan 5, Hutton 5, Okore 5, Clark 8, Lowton 6, Cleverley 5, Westwood 6, Delph 6, Sinclair 4, Gabby 5, Benteke 6
Nzogbia 5, Weimann 3, Bacuna 5
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I'm still watching the team every week but I've already come to terms with it, nobody could have turned this pile of shit around and Sherwood certainly won't be able to. I'd just rather we were put out of our misery.
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How good/plentiful are streams for the Championship? Asking for a friend.
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We really were never going to beat these c**ts. They've been shit for ages and as usual we give poor teams a helping hand. We are luck the results went our way today but we are fucking awful and waste whatever little opportunities we create. We have no fight desire or any fucking footballing ability. What a fucking mess. Lerner, Faulkner and Mr fox created this shambles between them, utter c**ts.
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West Brom, Sunderland, Swansea - 7 points minimum.
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feeling down, going down, staying down.
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Only crum of comfort being that all the other bottom sides lost as well but it's looking grim. (QPR and Leicester yet to play) When will we get some luck in games as we're fucking well overdue for some?
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We deserved a point, I think. Newcastle were not better than us, we matched them mostly. Crap defending for their goal, and the way we were giving the ball away was infuriating at times.
I think we're not getting any luck either. This result was tough to take because we should have had a point here. Here we are on seven losses on the trot though. Don't know what else to say.
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Randy's clearly a nice guy and doesn't like being unpopular.
Maybe if we do go down, he'll turn the money taps back on and spend whatever it takes to get us back up again?
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We replaced one bad manager with another, and many of the players are very bad. Not a good recipe.
Your calling him a bad manager after just two games!!!!
No, he's played many games before. I don't think he's a good manager, I've said it before, and I'll keep saying it unless and until he proves me wrong.
Of course it's by no means all his fault, obviously. The chairman for thinking that good players can be bought for no money, the previous manager for being incredibly shit too, and of course the players for being rubbish.
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Devoid of belief and confidence. Better today but there's a huge gap between what we are producing and what we need to get out of this. Really, really worried now
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Can't put too much blame on sherwood.
The players have been completely and utterly broken by the c unt before him and the c unts upstairs who allowed it to happen.
Time is against sherwood and us.
And when fucking shite like Newcastle turn us over with virtually their only shot, you know it's pretty much game over.
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At least Randy is "having fun".
Hurts much less when you're thousands of miles away.
Yeah I guess it is quite fun on a beach in the Caribbean, instead of another non descript town paying to watch your team get shit on again.
We've all got the wrong narrative anyway man.
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We played probably as well as we can. It's not good enough to stay in this league. The lack of skill or brains in most of what we do is quite astounding. Some of our players, fuck, most of our players seem to be without most of the basic footballing skills. And there is hardly any teamwork or cohesion in our play. It's a godawful mess.
11 games to go and it's very hard to make a sound case for us getting anywhere near the number of points we'll need.
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Lerner made the change too late. Failing to beat Sunderland and Palace, and losing to Leicester, cost us dearly. He should have changed it before Christmas. I truly don't know whether Sherwood is any good or not, but he hasn't been given enough games to change us - I'm surprised he took the gig tbh. Other teams losing means we aren't cast adrift but we simply can't score. Really think we're down now.
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Second half showed why we are likely to be going down. Too many passengers throughout the squad. Sherwood doesn't need a sports psychologist but a lobotomist for most of these. The only reason we're not completely doomed yet is the sides around us. Again results went for us.
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How good/plentiful are streams for the Championship? Asking for a friend.
About as easy to find as a Villa goal.
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I agree with a previous poster, there's not a single member of this squad that I'd be sorry to see leave, regardless of which division we're in next season.
And the week to come is the stuff of nightmares.
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Never mind the hook. There should be a picture of Lerner on the left, pushing.
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That shot from N'Zogbia in the end and Weimann's shot - the players are simply just not good enough. Why not bring on Gil ??? Why play Agbonlahor and Weimann again and again - they do nearly everything wrong.
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We're down. No one is playing shitter than we are at the moment and there's absolutely nothing positive to take away from today. We gift goals and every time we concede we give up the ghost.
How does Sherwood turn this around? I don't think there's a way. Too many poor attackers. An awful midfield of which our only good player, Delph, is out of form.
The sooner Senderos gets fit the better because Clark needs a half decent partner. Okore is all over the place at the moment. Vlaar's legs have gone.
I honestly think at this point we're actually better off going down and then rebuilding from scratch. Get in some grafters who will be solid in the Championship. Get rid of most of the fucking losers in our squad. Obviously Benteke, Delph etc, the few decent players will be gone.
If we stay up by the skin of our teeth, then what? It'll just be the same. I think we need that shock to the system of going down. Stabilise. Hopefully come up and be stronger for it, like Newcastle are now.
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What has happened to Delph as well?
I'm worried about him. It looks like his dream of Champions' League football is over for at least another year.
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What has happened to Delph as well?
He got a juicy new contract.
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We're down, there is no way that shower of shit is getting out of this. I despise the bloody lot of them there isn't one player I would be sorry to see go.
Fuck you Lerner you're a fucking imbecile.
unfortunately , with you
SGT said when he came in the first time lots of things wrong and if it was left it would be an enormous challenge.
we are there.
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Does anyone seriously think we have a squad capable of bouncing back up if we drop? We are fucking dire and think some of them are playing 2 divisions above their level of ability.
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Lerner made the change too late. Failing to beat Sunderland and Palace, and losing to Leicester, cost us dearly. He should have changed it before Christmas. I truly don't know whether Sherwood is any good or not, but he hasn't been given enough games to change us - I'm surprised he took the gig tbh. Other teams losing means we aren't cast adrift but we simply can't score. Really think we're down now.
Missing out on Pulis will ultimately kill us. West Brom conversely will stay up comfortably. Back when he took them over they looked woeful. The switcharound has been painful to watch.
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May not be mathematically down, but the players look like they've mentally accepted relegation.
Albion will absolutely murder us on Tuesday.
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Today was the day I lost all hope.
We're doomed.
This 😡
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Can anyone think of a more stupid forward pair than Gabby and Andy. Everything they do is poorly executed or a really thickie thick decision. The dumb and dumber of premier league forward lines. I hate the pair of them.
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Is that seven defeats in a row now?
We're fucked, and it will be directly attributable to the absolutely abysmal "leadership" of the man at the very top. The man has proved himself to be totally and utterly out of his depth both sides of the atlantic, in two different sports.
Would anyone be surprised if we lost another seven matches in a row now?
I honestly wouldn't. We are just so utterly feeble and brainless, and we are showing nothing like enough to inspire confidence that we are getting better.
Pathetic.
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I did used to think any manager other than Lambert could get this shower winning. But they can't, can they? This squad is fucking dreadful, and even the players that are slightly better than average look lost. There are no positive signs - we went one up against Sturk and lost, meekly. We should have scored today, went one behind, and lost, meekly.
Last season, we went down by two to the Boggies, twice, and managed to get draws. I reckon if you gave me odds of a billion to one on us doing it on Tuesday, I wouldn't put a beat-up bob on it.
These players will be relegated, because they're an awful, nothing side. They wear Villa shirts, but fuck off if you think they're Aston Villa.
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How does Sherwood turn this around?
By bringing on Zog
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Never mind the hook. There should be a picture of Lerner on the left, pushing.
That's pretty much my opinion. With all the money swilling about the league, how we're managing to struggle so much, season after season, is down to negligence at the top.
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Can anyone think of a more stupid forward pair than Gabby and Andy. Everything they do is poorly executed or a really thickie thick decision. The dumb and dumber of premier league forward lines. I hate the pair of them.
You know what, I am in full agreement, and yes, 'hate' is the right word.
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With a -24 goal difference and 4 points adrift of Hull and 3 off Sunderland, we need more than a miracle now.
There was improvement of sorts but needed a minimum of a draw today. Lerner's investment is losing value rapidly, he needed to speculate to accumulate and he will pay a heavy price if he wants to still sell.
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Is that seven defeats in a row now?
Don't worry, some on here think we'll get another 10-15 points easy.
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I did used to think any manager other than Lambert could get this shower winning. But they can't, can they? This squad is fucking dreadful, and even the players that are slightly better than average look lost. There are no positive signs - we went one up against Sturk and lost, meekly. We should have scored today, went one behind, and lost, meekly.
Last season, we went down by two to the Boggies, twice, and managed to get draws. I reckon if you gave me odds of a billion to one on us doing it on Tuesday, I wouldn't put a beat-up bob on it.
These players will be relegated, because they're an awful, nothing side. They wear Villa shirts, but fuck off if you think they're Aston Villa.
They're a team full of Ashley Westwoods. Real nice guys, but shit.
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Can anyone think of a more stupid forward pair than Gabby and Andy. Everything they do is poorly executed or a really thickie thick decision. The dumb and dumber of premier league forward lines. I hate the pair of them.
It was so Lambert-esque today. Gabby starting despite being fuck awful all season. Then we hear those immortal words "Andi Weimann is about to come on."
Fucking brilliant.
I never want to see them in a Villa shirt again. Pathetic. I could say the same about half of our squad, maybe more.
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We're going down, because we cannot score. Tuesday is now must win.
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Gabby and Weimann both got a good go, again, and they were both as shit as last week. Gil nowhere, even though he and Sinclair have been all we've got since January.
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Lerner made the change too late. Failing to beat Sunderland and Palace, and losing to Leicester, cost us dearly. He should have changed it before Christmas. I truly don't know whether Sherwood is any good or not, but he hasn't been given enough games to change us - I'm surprised he took the gig tbh. Other teams losing means we aren't cast adrift but we simply can't score. Really think we're down now.
Missing out on Pulis will ultimately kill us. West Brom conversely will stay up comfortably. Back when he took them over they looked woeful. The switcharound has been painful to watch.
Spot on - I am absolutely convinced there was a clause in Mr Mumbles contract that said we could get rid with a lower payoff if we dropped in to the bottom 3 .
Happened against Hull - he was gone the next day.
Penny pinching of a few million will cost this club millions and millions for the years we are down.
Wankers.
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Timmy's win percentage is taking a bit of a pasting, isn't it?
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I'd also say that, although I don't really blame Sherwood for the last couple of results, you have to seriously question Lerner and Fox's brains to
1. Leave it so very late to sack Lambert in the first place.
2. Replace him with a rookie manager with no track record of motivating players in a desperately struggling side.
How on earth did they think that was going to pan out?
These people have noble intentions (I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that, anyway), and Fox might be great at getting sponsorship deals and whatnot, but they have zero "nous", absolutely zero.
Good luck flogging that shirt sponsorship in the Championship next year, Tom. Oh, and good luck flogging the club, too, Lerner.
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Is that seven defeats in a row now?
Don't worry, some on here think we'll get another 10-15 points easy.
The rest of us are bedwetters apparently. Someone said on the match thread "We'll batter these second half." It's just chest-beating bullshit rhetoric. We're shit and any side - absolutely any side - would fancy their chances against us.
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Gil was a breath of fresh air....seems like he's succumbed like the rest. Didn't take long.....
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Gabby and Weimann both got a good go, again, and they were both as shit as last week. Gil nowhere, even though he and Sinclair have been all we've got since January.
Gabby and Weimann would struggle to stand out in the Championship. If we do end up there, we'll need better players than them up front to get out of it.
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Senderos and Cole..... I know they haven't played today and I'm in a bad mood now but these two fucking leeches signing, another example of why we are where we are. History of being injured all the time, told they are past it. We sign them, they are always injured and we are shovelling some more millions out of the club and in to players pockets who contribute nothing.
Stupid decisions, every where, all the time, repeated over and over.
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Does anyone seriously think we have a squad capable of bouncing back up if we drop? We are fucking dire and think some of them are playing 2 divisions above their level of ability.
I dont what would our squad realistically be - Given, Hutton,Lowton, Okore, Clark, Cissokho, Bacuna, Westwood, Sanchez, Cole, Gabby, Weimann, Grealish, Nzogbia, Senderos, Baker, Gil, Richardson, Gardner - no goal threat in that squad and a collection of characters that are going nowhere career wise the most of them. We would be a soft touch in the second division.
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Lets see if the cnuts are clinking bottles on the coach tweeting job done at the end of this season. Wankers.
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We don't play like a team at all for me. There's very little cohesion and we seem to play like a group of individuals trying to make something happen, rather than a team with a good understanding of each other.
I've always defended Lerner and argued that he is naive rather than spiteful, and have been willing to be patient with whoever the management is at Villa, but if they somehow conspire to relegate Aston Villa FC, they would deserve the abuse and hatred they would get.
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Gabby and Weimann both got a good go, again, and they were both as shit as last week. Gil nowhere, even though he and Sinclair have been all we've got since January.
That's the thing: we've mostly still got the players who've been substandard for a long time now. Sinclair and Gil won't be enough to save us. Cleverley quite plainly won't.
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I'd also say that, although I don't really blame Sherwood for the last couple of results, you have to seriously question Lerner and Fox's brains to
1. Leave it so very late to sack Lambert in the first place.
2. Replace him with a rookie manager with no track record of motivating players in a desperately struggling side.
How on earth did they think that was going to pan out?
These people have noble intentions (I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that, anyway), and Fox might be great at getting sponsorship deals and whatnot, but they have zero "nous", absolutely zero.
Good luck flogging that shirt sponsorship in the Championship next year, Tom. Oh, and good luck flogging the club, too, Lerner.
Number 1 is really the biggy. Dumb as nuts to think there was any hope of Lambert turning it around.
I don't think Sherwood is wholly responsible for these two defeats - it's 7 in a row, not 2 in a row. However, I don't think his tactics have helped. Today, even when we were playing well, we looked ramshackle and shapeless. You can't help but compare it to how quickly someone like Pulis gets his teams organised and competent.
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lerner knows f@ck all
my only positive, his loosing dough
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Just been shoved by a very grumpy fat man in a black & white tie. Mardy bastard. Anyway, that's why we're going down, that's why we're going down...
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Said all along that if we get to 10pm on Tuesday without a win then it's definitely curtains. It's WBA or bust now. Only saving grace today was the other results went our way. Burnley would have backed themselves to beat Swansea.
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Cole
I had totally forgotten about him. What a master stroke that signing was.
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Can we not just try Gil and Sinclair off Benteke? Why has it always got to be dumb and dumber making appearances? If I see another Weimann shot when he's leaning back balloon 50 ft over the bar before I'm 50 it will be a day too soon.
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Is that seven defeats in a row now?
Don't worry, some on here think we'll get another 10-15 points easy.
The rest of us are bedwetters apparently. Someone said on the match thread "We'll batter these second half." It's just chest-beating bullshit rhetoric. We're shit and any side - absolutely any side - would fancy their chances against us.
I don't think it's 'chest-beating bullshit.' I think Newcastle were genuinely pretty bad and people thought that Aston Villa should batter them. They were right: we should, normally. It's hard to acclimatise to our current levels of shitness though.
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dire football dire players dire owner dire straights
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Midfield is non existent. Milner Petrov Downing Reo-Coker Young in 2010. Now all we have is shit.
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I don't think it's 'chest-beating bullshit.' I think Newcastle were genuinely pretty bad and people thought that Aston Villa should batter them. They were right: we should, normally. It's hard to acclimatise to our current levels of shitness though.
What do you mean 'normally'? 'Normally' we're shit. And have been for at least three seasons. We're absolutely kidding ourselves if we think we're going to batter anyone.
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How good/plentiful are streams for the Championship? Asking for a friend.
God knows, but I wont be watching anyway
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I'd also say that, although I don't really blame Sherwood for the last couple of results, you have to seriously question Lerner and Fox's brains to
1. Leave it so very late to sack Lambert in the first place.
2. Replace him with a rookie manager with no track record of motivating players in a desperately struggling side.
How on earth did they think that was going to pan out?
These people have noble intentions (I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that, anyway), and Fox might be great at getting sponsorship deals and whatnot, but they have zero "nous", absolutely zero.
Good luck flogging that shirt sponsorship in the Championship next year, Tom. Oh, and good luck flogging the club, too, Lerner.
Number 1 is really the biggy. Dumb as nuts to think there was any hope of Lambert turning it around.
I don't think Sherwood is wholly responsible for these two defeats - it's 7 in a row, not 2 in a row. However, I don't think his tactics have helped. Today, even when we were playing well, we looked ramshackle and shapeless. You can't help but compare it to how quickly someone like Pulis gets his teams organised and competent.
Some of us were roundly ridiculed for suggesting Pulis would be a good idea. I stand by my belief that he was the sensible option if avoiding relegation was the extent of our short-term ambitions. Which, given how things look right now, it fecking well should have been.
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I can only assume that Agbonlahor in training looks like Leo Messi, because there is nothing - absolutely nothing - to keep him in the team based on his performances.
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The only thing I'm clinging to is that we're still (!!!!!) level on points with QPR in 17th. The moment that 17th placed team moves to three points above us, it's done and done.
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What Delph, Cleverley and Westwood do as a three can be done by one decent player. Westwood passes sideways, Cleverley runs a bit and Delph from time to time puts in a tackle and moves forward.
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I can only assume that Agbonlahor in training looks like Leo Messi, because there is nothing - absolutely nothing - to keep him in the team based on his performances.
Gabby looks and plays like he's been hit over the head with a sledge hammer.
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I can only assume that Agbonlahor in training looks like Leo Messi, because there is nothing - absolutely nothing - to keep him in the team based on his performances.
There was a moment in the second half when he ran half the length of the pitch to clatter one of their players and get a yellow card. It was his only burst of pace in the whole game.
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And what happened to all of this 'build the team around Benteke' theory when Sherwood took over? As far as I'm concerned, I don't want to see Benteke further back than the apex of the D on the penalty area. Let everybody else get the ball to him. Whatever it takes, get him to score. I don't care if you start with a rush-back goalie, get him a proper chance, and keep doing it.
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Cole
I had totally forgotten about him. What a master stroke that signing was.
Another season left on the payroll though, he perfects the hands on hips routine I'll give him that. Maybe he can help train a squad of cheerleaders next season. Going to need some extra entertainment to get punters through the gates at Villa Park next season.
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Sherwood just said "we picked ourselves up" on the beeb. Oh, fuck...
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Better side, deserved a point. Weimann and Gabby are poor.
The Gerodies waiting for us outside shit themselves.
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I wonder how many playing today will be come August, irrespective of the division? Not many, hopefully.
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Better side, deserved a point. Weimann and Gabby are poor.
The Gerodies waiting for us outside shit themselves.
They only come hard on horses
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Every match day is like groundhog day. It's true what they say about struggling sides, luck deserts you and you get punished for occasional defensive lapses. Son tells me we played well for 70 minutes but the ball just isn't quite dropping for us, he tells me last 20 minutes was desperate.
I don't know how we aren't already cut adrift after SEVEN straight defeats but bizarrely we still have a chance. The upcoming two games might give us the lift we need if we can get a bit of bloody luck from somewhere.
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13 goals in 27 league games. When you pause for a minute to really take in how bad that really is, it's quite mind-blowingly breathtaking
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We won't lose many players in the summer, we'll have a good season next in the Championship and then do better when we come back up.
What a time to go down.
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Guzan - decent enough saves but looks increasingly shaky in his own 6 yard box...and his distribution is criminal
Hutton - OK, I guess. Positioning not the best today...but at least he was trying to get into attacking positions.
Lowton - OK playing on his weaker side, lacking match sharpness,.
Okore - never been convinced by him and one of his mistakes cost us.
Clark - Excellent, one of the few that left it all on the pitch.
Cleverley - underwhelming (again). Shouldn't start the next game.
Westwood - OK, moved the ball well and played that nice pass into Sinclair...but his dead ball delivery is shocking.
Delph - Not sure what has happened to him...very poor again today and not worthy of the armband.
Sinclair - Tried, a bit...but not happening for him today.
Gabby - decided to start running the channels for about 5 minutes in the second half only. Should not be in the starting XI.
Benteke - Seems to be improving but we will run out of matches before he is back up to speed.
Subs :
N'Zog - shocking (Again)
Weimann - shocking (again)
Bacuna - should be on from the start, in his rightful position.
Sherwood - I could see some improvements, particularly in the first half, but as soon as we are pushed onto the back foot we cave. For the life of me I cannot understand why N'Zogbia is anywhere near the team, let alone getting time on the pitch. The only thing I can guess is that he wants to assess all of the players on the pitch and this was N'Zog and Lowton's turn.
Wow, I feel better for getting that off my chest.
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This team has absolutely no idea HOW to win a game anymore.
It's been so long and so infrequent that they just don't know how to do it anymore.
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What Delph, Cleverley and Westwood do as a three can be done by one decent player. Westwood passes sideways, Cleverley runs a bit and Delph from time to time puts in a tackle and moves forward.
Delph does not put in a tackle, he bloody bottles it every time. All he does is his little turn and passes it sideways, other than that he chases shadows. I can only think he's concerned he may get injured and it could complicate exercising his escape clause if/when we are relegated. He's been a fucking passenger since he signed his new and improved contract. A complete waste of space.
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We won't lose many players in the summer, we'll have a good season next in the Championship and then do better when we come back up.
What a time to go down.
Hopefully Gabby will have a release clause in his contract if we go down and we'll enforce it whether he wants to or not. He's on such a cushy number it beggars belief
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It hurts from being thousands of miles away as much as it used to hurt being 20 miles away. Having watched the last two games, I thought there were encouraging signs today. We had more shots on target; Benteke for the first 60 minutes looked back; Agbonlahor seemed stronger, better running, better turning- I was disappointed he was subbed at a time he was running the channels quite well; especially for Weimann who was ineffectual to a point of destroying forward link up play. Delph looked improved, though not back to his best. Westwood was admittedly poor, but Cleverly looked half decent. Sinclair looked good to start, but faded and seem to run out of ideas. We were unlucky when they scored, Okore just not reaching the ball.
If we can get the same level of improvement incrementally match by match, get a bit of luck too, and we'll be ok. But that is a big IF.
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Gil was a breath of fresh air....seems like he's succumbed like the rest. Didn't take long.....
This is the point though.
Gil looks a player, so we either stick him out wide and dont play him at all. He needs to be playing central behind Benteke. Its f in obvious. Instead we bring on Charlie
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I think our best/only chance of staying up is getting Benteke firing. There are no other goals in the team as we have seen this season.
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We're in a scrap with QPR, Burnley and Leicester. Keep fighting and believing Villa, we can definitely do this.
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What Delph, Cleverley and Westwood do as a three can be done by one decent player. Westwood passes sideways, Cleverley runs a bit and Delph from time to time puts in a tackle and moves forward.
Delph does not put in a tackle, he bloody bottles it every time. All he does is his little turn and passes it sideways, other than that he chases shadows. I can only think he's concerned he may get injured and it could complicate exercising his escape clause if/when we are relegated. He's been a fucking passenger since he signed his new and improved contract. A complete waste of space.
Delph's seemingly endless fucking 'Cruyff turns' piss me off so much, even when they work! Irrational, but there it is.
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Sherwood just said "we picked ourselves up" on the beeb. Oh, fuck...
I know hes been here 5 minutes but he is a fucking chancer IMO
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I'd also say that, although I don't really blame Sherwood for the last couple of results, you have to seriously question Lerner and Fox's brains to
1. Leave it so very late to sack Lambert in the first place.
2. Replace him with a rookie manager with no track record of motivating players in a desperately struggling side.
How on earth did they think that was going to pan out?
These people have noble intentions (I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that, anyway), and Fox might be great at getting sponsorship deals and whatnot, but they have zero "nous", absolutely zero.
Good luck flogging that shirt sponsorship in the Championship next year, Tom. Oh, and good luck flogging the club, too, Lerner.
Number 1 is really the biggy. Dumb as nuts to think there was any hope of Lambert turning it around.
I don't think Sherwood is wholly responsible for these two defeats - it's 7 in a row, not 2 in a row. However, I don't think his tactics have helped. Today, even when we were playing well, we looked ramshackle and shapeless. You can't help but compare it to how quickly someone like Pulis gets his teams organised and competent.
Agreed. We chose a manager with 20 games under his belt instead of a proven prem manager with 20 years managerial experience.
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At the moment, I'm not bothered about keeping any of them. I'm not saying this out of hurt, it's just that i'm fucked off having to watch the same ineptitude every fucking game. The crap Westwood dead balls, the Benteke offsides, the Agbonlahor running into the full-back for a goal kicks. I keep trying to picture them becoming a team against an abysmal Championship side and I really cannot manage it. None of them seem to know how to play this sport anymore, and if serious bids came in for our better players in the summer, I honestly would be open to offers.
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Gil was a breath of fresh air....seems like he's succumbed like the rest. Didn't take long.....
This is the point though.
Gil looks a player, so we either stick him out wide and dont play him at all. He needs to be playing central behind Benteke. Its f in obvious. Instead we bring on Charlie
He has to be still injured - it makes no sense otherwise.
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dire football dire players dire owner dire straights
And a road to nowhere
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Weimann and Gabby to be dropped, Gil to play off him. Today was a lot better. We ran out of ideas at the end, but we missed some good chances first half and Cleverley missed a huge one second.
Status quo hasn't changed at the bottom, which is a blessing. Huge pressure on Tuesday.
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No chance of staying up.Cant score goals.Cant win games.Taxi for Aston Villa.So sad
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Throw the towel in. Can't take anymore. Baggies safe as well. Will park the bus on Tuesday. Curtains
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dire football dire players dire owner dire straights
All that money for nothing.
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What Delph, Cleverley and Westwood do as a three can be done by one decent player. Westwood passes sideways, Cleverley runs a bit and Delph from time to time puts in a tackle and moves forward.
Delph does not put in a tackle, he bloody bottles it every time. All he does is his little turn and passes it sideways, other than that he chases shadows. I can only think he's concerned he may get injured and it could complicate exercising his escape clause if/when we are relegated. He's been a fucking passenger since he signed his new and improved contract. A complete waste of space.
I thought the same particularly in the first half but wondered whether my poor stream was making him look bad.
He was never that great in the first place
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Against Baggies I would go
Given
Hutton Clarke Vlaar Okore
Delph Westwood
Sinclair Gill Grealish
Benteke
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Oddly I am now on the other side of it. Just accepting with a smile and a shrug our time has come. Hey ho we will still have a club next season.
If by a miracle we start winning games then thats upside but right now its easier to just accept its our year and not get upset over it.
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Oddly I am now on the other side of it. Just accepting with a smile and a shrug our time has come. Hey ho we will still have a club next season.
If by a miracle we start winning games then thats upside but right now its easier to just accept its our year and not get upset over it.
I too feel the need to protect myself from the pain. I have to find ways to survive emotionally. This could become serious.
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Throw the towel in. Can't take anymore. Baggies safe as well. Will park the bus on Tuesday. Curtains
I hate Pulis with a passion, but he's experienced enough to drum into his players the opportunity they have this week. He'll set up to stop us scoring, for one, and elbows into Benteke to get him sent off. And that'll be job done in the league. Saturday will be the pudding.
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Oddly I am now on the other side of it. Just accepting with a smile and a shrug our time has come. Hey ho we will still have a club next season.
If by a miracle we start winning games then thats upside but right now its easier to just accept its our year and not get upset over it.
Me too. Our form suggests no other option
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We must be the only fcukin side who don't get a managerial bounce from a change of manager.
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We must be the only fcukin side who don't get a managerial bounce from a change of manager.
There wouldn't be a bounce if they'd brought in Zebedee and Tigger as joint managers.
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I'm sure I read that we are the only team in all 4 divisions to not have recorded a win in 2015.
I don't know about taking it on the chin, fair play to those who are resigned to it.
Personally, I am absolutely fucking distraught.
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Oddly I am now on the other side of it. Just accepting with a smile and a shrug our time has come. Hey ho we will still have a club next season.
If by a miracle we start winning games then thats upside but right now its easier to just accept its our year and not get upset over it.
Me too. Our form suggests no other option
I too feel the need to protect myself from the pain. I have to find ways to survive emotionally. This could become serious.
Its the only way at this point IMHO. Its that or be miserable to our families and have every weekend ruined for the next few months. Football is meant to be fun, its just not worth getting that upset over. Accept, have a grin and move on.
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Oddly I am now on the other side of it. Just accepting with a smile and a shrug our time has come. Hey ho we will still have a club next season.
If by a miracle we start winning games then thats upside but right now its easier to just accept its our year and not get upset over it.
Me too. Our form suggests no other option
(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/095/0/c/no_thanks____by_djbisparulz-d3daisi.jpg)
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Westwood is absolute shite, he almost never gets a set piece over the first defender which then puts us under pressure on the counter. We"re in the shit alright, pathetic!!!
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Well Mr Lerner the businessman. Your actions of the past are now coming back to haunt you and dramatically reduce the value of your investment. To you Aston Villa may be an investment or a toy but to me it is the club I love. I am seething , absolutely seething..custodian ? Custodian my fuckin arse..You have let Aston Villa down by your ineptitude. Shame , shame and fuckin shame on you.
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I'd also say that, although I don't really blame Sherwood for the last couple of results, you have to seriously question Lerner and Fox's brains to
1. Leave it so very late to sack Lambert in the first place.
2. Replace him with a rookie manager with no track record of motivating players in a desperately struggling side.
How on earth did they think that was going to pan out?
These people have noble intentions (I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on that, anyway), and Fox might be great at getting sponsorship deals and whatnot, but they have zero "nous", absolutely zero.
Good luck flogging that shirt sponsorship in the Championship next year, Tom. Oh, and good luck flogging the club, too, Lerner.
Number 1 is really the biggy. Dumb as nuts to think there was any hope of Lambert turning it around.
I don't think Sherwood is wholly responsible for these two defeats - it's 7 in a row, not 2 in a row. However, I don't think his tactics have helped. Today, even when we were playing well, we looked ramshackle and shapeless. You can't help but compare it to how quickly someone like Pulis gets his teams organised and competent.
Agreed. We chose a manager with 20 games under his belt instead of a proven prem manager with 20 years managerial experience.
Yes. Leaving Lambert in place so long has crippled us. That performance stank of Lambert.
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Albion will be rubbing their hands. Anything less than a win and they've virtually sent us down.
Thanks Lambert. Thanks Lerner. Thanks useless excuses for players.
Wankers.
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Senderos and Cole..... I know they haven't played today and I'm in a bad mood now but these two fucking leeches signing, another example of why we are where we are.
Most of our signings last summer - Cole, Senderos and Richardson - looked suspiciously like Championship signings at the time.
I didn't really understand why so many people were happy with our summer business. I thought it was fecking awful, and reeked of having absolutely zero ambition beyond not getting relegated.
I thought our January window was awful, too.
It isn't all about buying players, because too many of the ones we already have aren't producing, but I can't remember the last time we had a transfer window which really gave any encouragement.
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Bringing on Weimann and NZog puts a huge question mark over Sherwood's judgement. I know it is only his second game, but neither were going to bring anything different to the game.
If we're going to survive, we have to do the simple things well and also do something radically different; make the oppo uncomfortable.
Can't see it happening.
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We can only hope for freak snow storms to hit Birmingham on Tuesday for two months.
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Players lacking in any kind of confidence. Players lacking the experience of mucking in at the bottom of the table. Players who probably don't care either way. Players who might secretly think that life in the Championship might be more to their liking. Players who might relish the thought of relegation because of their treatment during the tenure of TOSM.
I realise that our Randy may be too busy engaging with Shunammites to address himself to the possibility of relegation but surely The General could find time to mis-type something or other to encourage us all.
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Senderos and Cole..... I know they haven't played today and I'm in a bad mood now but these two fucking leeches signing, another example of why we are where we are.
Most of our signings last summer - Cole, Senderos and Richardson - looked suspiciously like Championship signings at the time.
I didn't really understand why so many people were happy with our summer business. I thought it was fecking awful, and reeked of having absolutely zero ambition beyond not getting relegated.
I thought our January window was awful, too.
It isn't all about buying players, because too many of the ones we already have aren't producing, but I can't remember the last time we had a transfer window which really gave any encouragement.
To be fair, I thought Senderos started the season okay. But you're right, when he was linked, I think my exact words were 'Fucking Senderos?' Cole was never going to be a good fit as a Villa player either. Even the Spaniard we managed to get in was a bargain basement option.
It's not so much spending peanuts that bothered me. It was that it was yet another two windows where you couldn't tell what we were aiming for. I couldn't picture any of those signings taking us by the scruff of the neck, Dave Mackay style, and making us anything other than league meat.
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We are fucked, Im resigned to it, we are so unlucky. We should have been in front at half time, we werent, we never will be.
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I'm sure I read that we are the only team in all 4 divisions to not have recorded a win in 2015.
I don't know about taking it on the chin, fair play to those who are resigned to it.
Personally, I am absolutely fucking distraught.
I'm with you on that, sick to the stomach.
I don't believe we are certainties to go down but do think we will have to hope Qpr implode
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Against Baggies I would go
Given
Hutton Clarke Vlaar Okore
Delph Westwood
Sinclair Gill Grealish
Benteke
Not sure about Okore left back.
Real problem for us now is that many players who are clearly top division standard are struggling form wise. Clark is the only player we can rely on at the moment. Today was much better from Benteke, he could do with bundling in one off any part of his anatomy.
The likes of Guzan, Hutton, Okore, Vlaar, Sanchez, Delph and Benteke have been in poor form for a while. Sinclair after his two recent goals we hoped might spark something for us, but he hid today for the second away game in a row. Cleverley puts in a shift but hasnt an assist or goal this season and it shows. Sherwood doesnt seem gone on Gil or Grealish. Nzogbia, Weimann and Gabby might have the one odd good game in 10 but Id have no confidence in them getting goals or assists for us. Westwood has his uses with the ball but a two man midfield with him in it is always going to struggle on the counterattack.
Two things we could do if we are to play more direct ball to Benteke, is for starters to get our best set piece taker into the side, Bacuna, and also replace Guzan with Given. Guzan kicking is just too poor really and Given wont be worse around his six yard line than Guzan has been of late.
A third change that has been evident for at least two seasons is that Benteke and Gabby cannot play together up top in a 2 man forward line. Gabby actually wasnt too bad after half time when he moved to the flanks getting one of their centre halves booked. This was always the danger of getting a new man in was that it would take him a couple of games to figure this out. But Sherwood simply cant pick the two of them up top together again.
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Oddly I am now on the other side of it. Just accepting with a smile and a shrug our time has come. Hey ho we will still have a club next season.
If by a miracle we start winning games then thats upside but right now its easier to just accept its our year and not get upset over it.
Me too. Our form suggests no other option
I too feel the need to protect myself from the pain. I have to find ways to survive emotionally. This could become serious.
Its the only way at this point IMHO. Its that or be miserable to our families and have every weekend ruined for the next few months. Football is meant to be fun, its just not worth getting that upset over. Accept, have a grin and move on.
Wish I could but just can't. Another miserable weekend in store. Perversely glad we are playing Tuesday night for my next rush of optimism followed, no doubt, by some gut wrenching disaster.
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Can't see any revival from lot. Change left too late and quite simply the players we have are not good enough.
Would be a literal miracle from this point on
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Can't see where our next win is coming from. With every game a little more hope slips away.
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We were unlucky to lose in my opinion probably did enough to get a point. That said we are useless, Sherwood will be a miracle worker if he keeps this shower up. We dont deserve to be in this league
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Probably only plus is teams around us lost
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Senderos and Cole..... I know they haven't played today and I'm in a bad mood now but these two fucking leeches signing, another example of why we are where we are.
Most of our signings last summer - Cole, Senderos and Richardson - looked suspiciously like Championship signings at the time.
I didn't really understand why so many people were happy with our summer business. I thought it was fecking awful, and reeked of having absolutely zero ambition beyond not getting relegated.
I thought our January window was awful, too.
It isn't all about buying players, because too many of the ones we already have aren't producing, but I can't remember the last time we had a transfer window which really gave any encouragement.
To be fair, I thought Senderos started the season okay. But you're right, when he was linked, I think my exact words were 'Fucking Senderos?' Cole was never going to be a good fit as a Villa player either. Even the Spaniard we managed to get in was a bargain basement option.
It's not so much spending peanuts that bothered me. It was that it was yet another two windows where you couldn't tell what we were aiming for. I couldn't picture any of those signings taking us by the scruff of the neck, Dave Mackay style, and making us anything other than league meat.
Gil is a good player, as is Sanchez. Our problem is we get 2 players from a different league, playing different types of football and expect them to come in and be our saviours. We desperately need them to hit the ground running but it is a hell of a gamble doing this as not many actually do this over a sustained period.
Our league is quick and physical - if we had signed these 2 with some experienced quality players (ie expensive ones) then we would have reaped the benefits.
It is like filling your pension pot with penny shares.
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No goals; no points. Another Aston Villa Saturday (or Sunday/Monday/Tuesday/Wednesday...)
By about this time next week we'll be further adrift in the league and out of the Cup and, I venture, not scored in either game. I think that's when the realization will dawn amongst even the most optimistic.
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The teams around us losing is only a plus if we are out of the bottom 3
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It pains me to say it but the performance today is probably as good as it gets for us now. I don't think there is a any way to improve on the current lot.
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The teams around us losing is only a plus if we are out of the bottom 3
Not really, it means that we're not getting cut adrift (yet)
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If Tony Pullis had those players under his control you could have guaranteed he would have kept us up !00%. From what we have seen of Mr Sherwood and his selections in the two games he has had so far we stand absolutely no chance at all.
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The teams around us losing is only a plus if we are out of the bottom 3
Not really, it means that we're not getting cut adrift (yet)
I admire your positivity, I hate to say I think we are fucked, not only are we shit, we are shit and unlucky, a bad combination.
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"We went in at 1-0 down. Anxiety came in late in the second half. We tried to play too long, too quickly. I told them in there they need to continue to play and mix the game up and stretch teams, go and get it and be brave on the football."
I'm not exactly sure what the hell that means, and I have a degree in English.
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He is saying that we resorted to long ball too quickly once we became anxious. He told the team it needs to be a mix of attacking tactics. I don't see what is so hard to understand.
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Indeed, there is a lot to be negative about, Sherwood after 2 games isnt one of them, the ship was listing far before he took the tiller.
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If Tony Pullis had those players under his control you could have guaranteed he would have kept us up !00%. From what we have seen of Mr Sherwood and his selections in the two games he has had so far we stand absolutely no chance at all.
You can't guarantee that at all. Credit to Pullis for turning around both Palace and Baggies, but he'd struggle to achieve that with the poor players at his disposal at VP. We have to face facts that the overwhelming problem with the team at the moment is the sheer lack of quality and ability of the players, and as embarrassing as it is, both Palace and Baggies have better squads than ours.
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Palace did not have particularly good players under him. The players he got to look good managed it because they were given simple to understand jobs, and everyone else worked to a plan. Under Holloway, they were supremely shite. One thing you can't say about Sherwood is that he's improved anything.
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I cannot contemplate the Villa being relegated. I remember 1986 and that was bad. I refuse to give up and will cling to any glimmer of hope and so will remain annoyingly optimistic. Hope springs eternal.
Today we our poor team played another poor team who were there for the taking. The players didn't sense that and again a mistake cost us.
We need to start winning in March because our April fixtures are difficult.
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I wasn't trying to be snarky about Sherwood. He has my support. It just sounded like gibberish to me.
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If Tony Pullis had those players under his control you could have guaranteed he would have kept us up !00%. From what we have seen of Mr Sherwood and his selections in the two games he has had so far we stand absolutely no chance at all.
You can't guarantee that at all. Credit to Pullis for turning around both Palace and Baggies, but he'd struggle to achieve that with the poor players at his disposal at VP. We have to face facts that the overwhelming problem with the team at the moment is the sheer lack of quality and ability of the players, and as embarrassing as it is, both Palace and Baggies have better squads than ours.
Id rather our squad than both of theirs technically but we havnt got any heart, any will to win.
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Sherwood has written his own Epitaph..like so many before him.
Lerner is the true culprit but Sherwood will get the toe in the arse before he gets his feet on the ground.
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Palace did not have particularly good players under him. The players he got to look good managed it because they were given simple to understand jobs, and everyone else worked to a plan. Under Holloway, they were supremely shite. One thing you can't say about Sherwood is that he's improved anything.
Completely subjective and we'll never get to find out if Pullis' simple to understand instructions, plans and jobs would have worked with our bunch of incompetents. Results (and arguably performances) haven't improved on the pitch yet but he's clearly making improvements behind the scenes that we can only hope will come to fruition in time. Its not looking good.
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It's not completely subjective to show that Pulis turned around a really rubbish-looking Palace side last season. Also, I don't know all that's behind the scenes, but he seems to have brought in the tactic to hit Benteke long, and then today he's says we were going too long. It can only be his tactic, as the long-balls were obviously phased out by Lambert and obviously brought back in by Sherwood, then he criticises the players for doing it!
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Two games is nowhere near enough time to judge, and although he's not my choice I really, really want Sherwood to get it right, even if he has to write this season off. But one thing is critical: if it doesn't happen for him, we can't wait two bloody seasons to try an alternative.
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It's not completely subjective to show that Pulis turned around a really rubbish-looking Palace side last season. Also, I don't know all that's behind the scenes, but he seems to have brought in the tactic to hit Benteke long, and then today he's says we were going too long. It can only be his tactic, as the long-balls were obviously phased out by Lambert and obviously brought back in by Sherwood, then he criticises the players for doing it!
And Pardew has done a similar job for Palace too.
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We've gone. Draw on Tuesday. Loss to Sunderland to confirm it.
I've given up on the league. Desperate for a win on Saturday instead.
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It's not completely subjective to show that Pulis turned around a really rubbish-looking Palace side last season. Also, I don't know all that's behind the scenes, but he seems to have brought in the tactic to hit Benteke long, and then today he's says we were going too long. It can only be his tactic, as the long-balls were obviously phased out by Lambert and obviously brought back in by Sherwood, then he criticises the players for doing it!
And Pardew has done a similar job for Palace too.
Yep, Neil Warnock is a very poor manager. Neither Pulis nor Pardew are top-level managers by any stretch, but they can organise teams competently and have been around for a while. Warnock has been around for ages, but is just getting worse somehow (how does he keep getting work? It's baffling).
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I can take a couple of positives from today, Sherwood realised he'd made a major fuck up last week by playing the long ball and today we returned to our passing game but with needed intensity. We were playing most of the game up until the goal in the Newcastle half, the players really battled in midfield and we looked like it was only a matter of time before we scored. If we'd done that against Stoke we'd have 3 more points.
The big difference in the two teams was Obertan who was driving Newcastle forward every time he had the opportunity. If only Delph could do just half of that we wouldn't be in this situation. Fact is, Delph is more Roy Orbison than he is Obertan, Roy being the Big O, Delph being the Big 0.
Benteke had his best game in months which is very encouraging, let's see more please. Even Gabby started to look like he'd remembered what he's good at but was immediately subbed. Sinclair worked hard and tracked back well but never showed that much treat in attack. Fortunately we should have Gil back on Tuesday night.
The defence, the goal apart, looked comfortable despite not having a recognised left back in the team. I never got that worried with the Newcastle attacks, we got players in and limited them to half chances.
Overall it was an improvement compared to the Stoke performance. Tuesday will be a night to remember in one way or another, let's hope it's not a repeat of 3.3.03. It will either relaunch us or sink us. It's going to be nasty but at least based on today's performance we now know the players have the battle in them to at least compete. A bit of luck wouldn't be unwelcome too. A decent referee might help as well. Just how shit and one eyed was Lee Mason today?
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It's not completely subjective to show that Pulis turned around a really rubbish-looking Palace side last season. Also, I don't know all that's behind the scenes, but he seems to have brought in the tactic to hit Benteke long, and then today he's says we were going too long. It can only be his tactic, as the long-balls were obviously phased out by Lambert and obviously brought back in by Sherwood, then he criticises the players for doing it!
I thought that too. Although oddly enough, the long balls to Benteke were working, inasmuch as he won a very high proportion of them in the air. If the bloody dimwits that pass for his teammates had actually stuck a bit closer to him and gambled on winning the second ball, we might actually have got some joy out of them. Only once did Cleverley make a run, and he ended up getting a clear chance. Why didn't they keep doing it ffs? How hard can it be?
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If there was one more midfielder then maybe players like Cleverley (who was playing wide today!) would feel more comfortable making that gamble. If only we had a player in some other area of the pitch contributing nothing to sacrifice...
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Firstly we haven't been relegated today so some people need to get a grip. Yes, we don't look like we have a win in us but we aren't down just yet. The teams around us are just as bad and have nightmare run ins.
Hopefully Sherwood has learnt everything he needs to know about his players after two games where most have had a chance. Tuesday is massive and yes Albion will park the bus especially if their main two strikers are out. We can win, a single goal victory will be worth a hell of a lot.
If we do go down it isn't Sherwood's fault and I doubt Pulis would get anymore out of a very poor squad, built and funded by Lambert and Lerner.
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Pulis has had a lot more games including the window to sort things out,plus an inform striker,give Sherwood a chance,none of us know if he's got it in him even himself but I think he's sorting the coaching side out and that is long overdue,time however is against him ,ultimately it's luck that we are hoping for,good not bad.
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The team we put out today only one of them has been signed permanently in the last two seasons, the other 8 were here or on loan. Fucking rubbish business done over the last 24 months and rubbish that this decline was left to fester and linger for so long.
Lerner asleep at the wheel, disgrace of a chairman, the club has been run by Lambert and Faulkner for 2 years.
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It's not completely subjective to show that Pulis turned around a really rubbish-looking Palace side last season. Also, I don't know all that's behind the scenes, but he seems to have brought in the tactic to hit Benteke long, and then today he's says we were going too long. It can only be his tactic, as the long-balls were obviously phased out by Lambert and obviously brought back in by Sherwood, then he criticises the players for doing it!
And Pardew has done a similar job for Palace too.
Well what we can conclude from that is that Pulis and Pardew have been able to get more out of the players at their disposal and are better managers than Holloway and Warnock respectively...but we all knew that anyway! What we have to hope is that Sherwood can get more out of the players and prove to be a better manager than Lambert...that is the uncertainty, and similarly, I meant it was completely subjective to assume that Pulis could achieve the same turn around with our squad as he has done previously given the questionable quality of our players; although I would agree that it would have been a better decision and would have given us a better chance of avoiding relegation had he been given the job before Christmas when he was available.
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Hard to argue with the comments of this Barcode:
That has to be the luckiest win Ive seen us come up with in my time watching the Toon, Villa could have played to midnight and nothing they did would have went in.
Villa taking off Agbonlahor and Sinclair for Insomnia and Weimann ( absolutely useless) aided us in getting it over the line. Think Benteke bullied our CB's all game long and if they had made better runs it could have been a bad day. In my honest opinion if we had lost by 2 or 3 I would have came out of the game and said it was a fair results
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This isn't Sherwood's fault.
I've missed playing Blackburn.
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Hard to argue with the comments of this Barcode:
That has to be the luckiest win Ive seen us come up with in my time watching the Toon, Villa could have played to midnight and nothing they did would have went in.
Villa taking off Agbonlahor and Sinclair for Insomnia and Weimann ( absolutely useless) aided us in getting it over the line. Think Benteke bullied our CB's all game long and if they had made better runs it could have been a bad day. In my honest opinion if we had lost by 2 or 3 I would have came out of the game and said it was a fair results
And the thing to take from that is the display if not the result was a big improvent on last week. We look almost fucked mentally when we get near or in the area. Like we are gripped by fear and freeze in the moment when we need to be composed. As gutted as I am hoping that the next step in the improvement is for the team to show more composure in our build up, not panic and whack it long and something, anything goes in to give them belief in scoring again
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There will always be one team every season that goes down that is in free fall.We have been that team for the last 23 games with no sign of recovery.Cant score goals.Cant win games!! how can it change!! It won't.Thx to Lerner.Villa Till I Die
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Well, 13 cup finals have now become 11 and it's looking pretty desperate. I thought there were signs of improvement today (admittedly against pretty poor opposition) and we were definitely unlucky to lose. But we did and you get no points for being unlucky. Sherwood's team selection didn't help. Why did Gabby start and why did N'Zogbia and Weimann come on? Was there no other option at left back? Lowton looked sluggish and offered nothing going forward.
I've experienced 3 of our 4 relegations from the top flight and don't want to see another. It's not inevitable but today it came a bit closer.
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There was a clear and visible improvement today and we were unlucky to lose. Just not surethere is enough time left for Sherwood to get the team playing the system he wants. The quote from the bar code is bang on in terms of a review. It's a long way from over yet but fuck me it's going to be close.
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I don't think we are doomed just yet,
but I would say I think there is more chance of us going down than staying up, I've never said that before in any of the previous seasons,
the Stoke game did it for me, I realised watching that second half that we were rubbish and there probably wasn't a lot Sherwood could do about it
however on the bright side we created more today than we have all season, so maybe just maybe he can have an effect
but its odds against I'm afraid
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GAME OVER
INSERT COIN
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I don't think we are doomed just yet,
but I would say I think there is more chance of us going down than staying up, I've never said that before in any of the previous seasons,
the Stoke game did it for me, I realised watching that second half that we were rubbish and there probably wasn't a lot Sherwood could do about it
however on the bright side we created more today than we have all season, so maybe just maybe he can have an effect
but its odds against I'm afraid
I think we're certain to go down John. Our goal difference is worth -1 point as it is, and we're just really bad at all aspects of the game, with the worst-performing forwards I've ever seen at the club. Agbonlahor and Weimann look like George Weah's other cousins at the moment, they're not even vaguely competent.
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I don't think we are doomed just yet,
but I would say I think there is more chance of us going down than staying up, I've never said that before in any of the previous seasons,
the Stoke game did it for me, I realised watching that second half that we were rubbish and there probably wasn't a lot Sherwood could do about it
however on the bright side we created more today than we have all season, so maybe just maybe he can have an effect
but its odds against I'm afraid
I think we're certain to go down John. Our goal difference is worth -1 point as it is, and we're just really bad at all aspects of the game, with the worst-performing forwards I've ever seen at the club. Agbonlahor and Weimann look like George Weah's other cousins at the moment, they're not even vaguely competent.
The problem with those 2 is that they are neither creative nor goalscorers.
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I don't think it's 'chest-beating bullshit.' I think Newcastle were genuinely pretty bad and people thought that Aston Villa should batter them. They were right: we should, normally. It's hard to acclimatise to our current levels of shitness though.
What do you mean 'normally'? 'Normally' we're shit. And have been for at least three seasons. We're absolutely kidding ourselves if we think we're going to batter anyone.
I meant historically. I know we're clearly shit and have been some time (I'd venture as far as five seasons)
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I've been told that we battered Sunderland a couple of years ago. I wasn't there.
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Throw the towel in. Can't take anymore. Baggies safe as well. Will park the bus on Tuesday. Curtains
Not the only person to have said on here that Albion will park the bus. Why would they do that? Why would they need to do that? They're not playing fucking Barcelona. We are there for the taking, and Pulis will have them up for it.
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I think I was there, but there were things called goals involved which I've forgotten about, unless it's when Guzan picks it up out of the net.
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A slightly better performance and none of the other teams winning around us are the only saving graces. We are lucky to still be in this thing. If we don't get a good a result from the next couple of games then I am almost sure that we will go down. Still have a feel Sunderland could be for the drop this season. Their form is giving me a little hope.
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We are not down and out. This time next week we will be out the bottom three and discussing whether to stop in Covent Garden before our FA Cup semi final.
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Throw the towel in. Can't take anymore. Baggies safe as well. Will park the bus on Tuesday. Curtains
Not the only person to have said on here that Albion will park the bus. Why would they do that? Why would they need to do that? They're not playing fucking Barcelona. We are there for the taking, and Pulis will have them up for it.
That is my expectation too Ian.
My clutching-at-straws hope for now is that our form is utterly atrocious and we are still not adrift.
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Speaking to an Albion relative on the way back and he told me that Pulis would "turn up not to lose". It's the way Pulis' sides always set up away from home, and is why Stoke had such a dire away record.
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We are not down and out. This time next week we will be out the bottom three and discussing whether to stop in Covent Garden before our FA Cup semi final.
On the blue meth again Ads?
I admire your spirit, I wish some of our players had a bit of it.
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I'd rather have Lambert than Sherwood, there I've said it.
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It only takes one spark to light a fire.
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I'd rather have Lambert than Sherwood, there I've said it.
So after two games of the new manager you would go back to the guy who put us here in the first place. Because he was doing such a stellar job with his 12 goals all season wasn't he? Possibly the most mental think I've read on here in a good while.
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I'd rather have Lambert than Sherwood, there I've said it.
I would hardly go that far.
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To be honest I think Sherwood is massively out of his depth, with no track record. He comes across as being as thick as pig shit as well.
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I'd rather have Lambert than Sherwood, there I've said it.
I see the crack dealers of Croydon have headed out to Haywards Heath tonight!
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It's hardly fair to judge Sherwood at the moment.
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At least Randy is "having fun".
Hurts much less when you're thousands of miles away.
Trust me, it doesn't.
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Is that seven defeats in a row now?
Don't worry, some on here think we'll get another 10-15 points easy.
#happyclappers
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Lambert never I would rather have Neil Warnock
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He comes across as being as thick as pig shit as well.
In the football world I think that's pretty much par for the course.
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To condemn Sherwood IS a false narrative.
The blame lays at the door of the owner & fox. If it's true and I don't doubt it lambert begged to be sacked not once but twice then that is true wilful negligence to not act on that alone let alone the woeful stats that have been building for nigh on 2 years.
Lerner and his remote aloofness is the main blame here .
He has got exactly what he deserves . But not what us the fans deserve
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I'd rather have Lambert than Sherwood, there I've said it.
I see the crack dealers of Croydon have headed out to Haywards Heath tonight!
The Rhone wine salesmen have done good business I admit, but Sherwood is car crash territory and will be gone by Christmas.
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He comes across as being as thick as pig shit as well.
In the football world I think that's pretty much par for the course.
Fair comment, let's face it Gabby isn't troubling the scorers on a Mastermind anytime soon is he!
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I must admit I quite like this thing Sherwood has introduced to us since he came,
'Shooting' I think I've heard it referred to as.
As for today, I'm seeing improvements but I fear we will be down before the we see the full improvement.
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He comes across as being as thick as pig shit as well.
In the football world I think that's pretty much par for the course.
Fair comment, let's face it Gabby isn't troubling the scorers on a Mastermind anytime soon is he!
Gabby will remain the benchmark for thick footballers until such time as they play with jetpacks and fans teleport to the games.
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I think Gabby is in the process of blowing "legend" status despite the goals v small Heath and smethwick
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I think Gabby is in the process of blowing "legend" status despite the goals v small Heath and smethwick
Maybe. Then again Collymore has legendary status in some eyes. And his overall commitment was similar to Hodge's near the end.
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Sherwood must take some responsibility for games which he manages. Sure, less responsibility in his 2nd than in his 200th, but the performances in the last two games have been more than 0% his responsibility, for better or for worse.
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I think Gabby is in the process of blowing "legend" status despite the goals v small Heath and smethwick
Maybe. Then again Collymore has legendary status in some eyes. And his overall commitment was similar to Hodge's near the end.
Does he ? With who ?
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To be honest I think Sherwood is massively out of his depth, with no track record. He comes across as being as thick as pig shit as well.
disagree, I think he's come over well so far
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Vicuna scarves are not standard Championship apparel. Sherwood is not a gallows humour sort. Commuting from Maida Vale to manage a substandard non-Prem team is not his CV stuff. Lerner needs to work out which side of the Atlantic he is working on.
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Sherwood wants a history lesson
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Lerner is a disgrace . He has set the tone, the malaise and the rot.
If he cared he wouldn't be 4000 miles away, he would have the balls and the heart to be here.
Show yourself now Lerner !
11 cup finals .
ATTEND .
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I thought that was a very decent first half performance like last weeks first halves but again we make simple mistakes and get punished.
I cant blame Sherwood except maybe for bringing on Nzog and Weiman, but he has so little time to get to grips with the squad.
The fault now lies with Lerner for not acting sooner.
I think we have to win on Tuesday.
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I think Gabby is in the process of blowing "legend" status despite the goals v small Heath and smethwick
Maybe. Then again Collymore has legendary status in some eyes. And his overall commitment was similar to Hodge's near the end.
Does he ? With who ?
Doggers?
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I don't think Sherwood fits any Villa fans remit for their ideal manager but to use him as an attempt to absolve Lambert in any way would be ridiculous. There is more than one person to blame for our impending doom but when D-day arrives Sherwood won't be remotely close to the centre of my ire.
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Sherwood must take some responsibility for games which he manages. Sure, less responsibility in his 2nd than in his 200th, but the performances in the last two games have been more than 0% his responsibility, for better or for worse.
I disagree, he has taken over a team on a terrible run and devoid of confidence. His injury prone players are, well injured. Our problems stem from Lerner predominantly aided and abetted by Lambert. The footballing side of the club is shit, from top to bottom.
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I'd rather have Lambert than Sherwood, there I've said it.
I'd rather have any fucker than lambert, there I've said it.
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The only hope we have is to get rid of the wankers ie Gabby, Weimann, Westwood and Delph (who by the way is the first Villa Captain i have seen who bottled every tackle, great leader) and put people in positions
where you know we will get effort. Vlar will be back Tuesday so put Clark in midfield play Gil just behind Benteke shit i would even consider playing Senderos in an attacking roll just to bully the opposition. If Sherwood plays Gabby and Weimann again then he is no better than the idiot we have just got rid of.
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We are not down and out. This time next week we will be out the bottom three and discussing whether to stop in Covent Garden before our FA Cup semi final.
Not sure about the second bit, but agree with the first line. If we were cut adrift then it would look hopeless, but as it is as long as at least three other teams keep losing the we've still got a chance.
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Why do I feel a bit more confident after that performance ? And I like the way sherwood comes across. There I've said it.
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I'd rather have Lambert than Sherwood, there I've said it.
I'd rather have any fucker than lambert, there I've said it.
Same here. Lambert is worse than McNeill. A piss poor, dismal excuse for a manager.
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Lambert is so poor a manager he's gradually coached the meaning of football out of the team.
Last season the writing was on the wall, first with the no possession performances, where we were being played off the park but sneaking the odd result. A lot of people said at the time it wasn't sustainable to play football and get results that way. We continued to try it, gradually going more and more defensive until eventually even shots were at a premium, nevermind a goal.
The current shambles of a playing side and it's 13 goals are entirely down to Lambert and his team of ''coaches''
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The players are to blame for the shit that is being served up now. There's no hiding place for them. I really hope Gabriel doesn't appear for us again this season with his constant inane grinning and stupid excuse for a tache. The epitome of all that's gone wrong at villa the last few years.
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Old timer here. This is Villa - at least we're showing more heart than under Lambert.We're in the box more and it will turn soon. Dunno if it's too late but it's part of what we signed up for like all our predecessors. Yep it's crap, yep it's agonising , yep it's Villa!
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Anyone looking forward to a visit from Mark Clemmett next season?
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We desperately need some luck or an early goal. We could have won today, a point would have taken us out of the bottom three. It's all ifs, buts and Maybe's but Sherwood is trying to he positive, so am I.
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We desperately need some luck or an early goal. We could have won today, a point would have taken us out of the bottom three. It's all ifs, buts and Maybe's but Sherwood is trying to he positive, so am I.
Me too.
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Sherwood must take some responsibility for games which he manages. Sure, less responsibility in his 2nd than in his 200th, but the performances in the last two games have been more than 0% his responsibility, for better or for worse.
I disagree, he has taken over a team on a terrible run and devoid of confidence
So in that situation we should bring in a manager capable of turning it around.
We decided to hire somebody who doesn't look like he is capable of doing that.
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Our coach went past Doug's roller on the way home tonight. Now I know he splits opinion on here, people don't like him and harbour long standing grudges and that's fine. But it's all about opinions and I take my hat off to any 90 year old bloke willing to travel all that way to sit and watch those under performing arseholes take us down. He's there every single week, yet our current cockhole owner can't be arsed. Says it all.
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Who would we have got though seriously? With the position we were in. I'm genuinely not being argumentative but who would've come in and turned it round? As far as I can see we were being linked with toad of toad hall, Hoddle, Peter Withe, whilst any serious contenders ruled themselves out one by one.
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You can't wait until the lights come on at 2am and expect to pull a darling. It's all about the best if an available bad bunch and I still believe Sherwood is it. We left it way too late and as a result we're heading home with a fat ginger knacker with halitosis. And we'll still shag her.
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An interesting analogy. And given the respect I have for you continuing to go to every game one ill doff my cap to.
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You can't wait until the lights come on at 2am and expect to pull a darling. It's all about the best if an available bad bunch and I still believe Sherwood is it. We left it way too late and as a result we're heading home with a fat ginger knacker with halitosis. And we'll still shag her.
Sounds like a result to me! ;)
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I'll send her round to yours when I'm finished (in 3 minutes) Brian
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You better check her ID, Des. She's not even 'qualified' to go through the motions. You're probably end up in more trouble than you could ever imagine - underage, up the duff and not willing to go back to her parents without a hefty pay-off to keep quiet.
Whichever way you look at it, you'll wish you hadn't gone there.
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Well we are in the taxi and there's only one conclusion....
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I understand she says all the right things, Des but don't believe everything she says. You'll be scratching yourself for years to come.
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Chickens are now roosting proudly, I too couldn't believe it when some posters thought we'd done great 'business' in the Summer. We didn't, we bought (if that's the right word) freebies and cast offs. And couple this with Lambert as an inept leader, no Backroom staff to keep the squad honest and this is the result. Its been coming for years in truth, we could all see it, January's window was a joke, actually no it was an insult considering our position.
We arn't down yet. We have currently a mini league of 3 from 4. There's a long way to go, but we must must must get 4 points from the Albion and Sunderland games.
I didn't want Sherwood either and he's showing why, we needed someone who would command instant respect and knows the management game just to see us through. Instead we took a gamble on an inexperienced manager with none of his Backroom team available.
It's not Sherwoods fault though in reality and if we do go down I hope Lambert is held rightly responsible (such a debacle should rightly rest on his cv) and Lerner loses a shit load more money into the bargain, he fuckingwell deserves too.
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It's disappointing I know, but I'm surprised that so many people believe that Sherwood should have made an immediate impact on results. I do think that the standard of play has noticeably improved and I also think we were somewhat unlucky against Newcastle, but we have a very long way to go before we can consistently produce acceptable performances, such was the malaise that he inherited. There are some positive signs and I just hope that he has enough time to turn the runaway bus around before it careers over the edge of the cliff.
I was impressed with his summary of the game, if only that I could clearly hear and understand every word.
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"Sir Tim" has now digressed from his ranting and spuming at individuals, that so marked him out as a "future-wonder-boy" at Spurs, for his forthright character and 'Mourhino-Like' no-nonsense.
Unfortunately his London-media support came over as......all-about-me..at Spurs.
Now...at us, he has adjusted his approach.. The team need pressure put on them.
"Sir Tim " is okay...the team is the problem.
He might be right.
He followed Lambert's long-ball policy.
He then followed Lambert's "pass to the opponent" policy, where we kept the ball on the floor for a minute even two minutes, then passed it to Obertan...one of our new midfielders.
Two matches..two different approaches. One is a fall-back on a FAILED tactic {Lambert}
...Another one is a FAILED Half-time talk, when it went so "SUPER"apparantly against Leicester....
BOTH
But Fox fixed the deal..."Sir Tim" -- would sign up.
Every club needs a "Fox"
:'(
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I dunno alf, to be fair.
You've got your fonts, you've got your colours, you've got an emoticon, but have you got a point?
I think if you add a gif or two and some large font exclamation points we will be closer to the crux.
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Well aside from the game I had a great day in Newcastle. Beers with my Toon supporting mates before and after the game.
As for the game / team / manager I can't say any more than others posters on here.
It was tense between the 2 supporters at the end though - I think payback for when we relegated them.
Don't think Newcastle will be on my away day agenda next season.
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"Sir Tim" has now digressed from his ranting and spuming at individuals, that so marked him out as a "future-wonder-boy" at Spurs, for his forthright character and 'Mourhino-Like' no-nonsense.
Unfortunately his London-media support came over as......all-about-me..at Spurs.
Commonly known as Chiseller Tim in that part of the world as chiselling is his greatest hobby and really not much else. Tom obviously took reference from a few of his girlfriends before appointing him so what could go wrong?
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Fair play to all the travelling fans and good old Doug.
Was there any leftovers from the EDL March up there ?
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Sherwood is probably in the same frame of mind as us, which ever way he shuffles the pack the result is the same, for whatever reason the 'squad' available to him is just devoid of a winning habit mentality call it what you like..Looking at him on the touchline his patience with some of them won't last long and I wouldn't be surprised to see a few untried U21's given a go soon.
We all know where the fault lies for our demise and until he goes ( hopefully getting stung by a big fat loss) we just have to get behind Sherwood and Kevin Mac and take whatever on the chin.
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What I don't understand is why Delph (since his call up) has become so ineffective for the club that pays his wages. People are always having a go at Cleverley, Weimann and Agbonlahor in but Delph with his ability should be striving with every sinew to keep us up. His form has been shocking as of late. Even Benteke appeared to be trying hard yesterday without any help whatsoever. As for Sherwood not playing Carles Gil
but still selecting that dreadful excuse for a footballer Agbonlahor that says it all for me. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he doesn't play Tuesday night.
I would further like to add my appreciation for those that follow Villa away consistently, they are magnificent. And you can include Doug Ellis in that statement. The team do not deserve such support.
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Fair play to all the travelling fans and good old Doug.
Was there any leftovers from the EDL March up there ?
Don't worry, I've bought you a St George flag back
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I suspect Gil isn't even 100% fit .
Who are our reserve strikers ? Robinson is on loan isn't he ? Who else do we have ?
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I suspect Gil isn't even 100% fit .
Who are our reserve strikers ? Robinson is on loan isn't he ? Who else do we have ?
When a 16 year old ( Hepburn Murphy ) is training with the first team, it sums it up.
That wanker Lambert pissed all our youth down the drain , Daniel Johnson sold without ever getting a chance for example, Robinson recalled not used , Sherwood would do well to recall Gary Gardner but it's all way too late.
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Sherwood is probably in the same frame of mind as us, which ever way he shuffles the pack the result is the same, for whatever reason the 'squad' available to him is just devoid of a winning habit mentality call it what you like..Looking at him on the touchline his patience with some of them won't last long and I wouldn't be surprised to see a few untried U21's given a go soon.
We all know where the fault lies for our demise and until he goes ( hopefully getting stung by a big fat loss) we just have to get behind Sherwood and Kevin Mac and take whatever on the chin.
We can't fix the past but can do something for here and now so Tom and Tim have taken it on on themselves to do that. Start of that is Tim accepting the job with immediate task of keeping us in the division. He is or should not be in the same frame of mind as rest of us. He has been chosen for having the wherewithal to deal with the situation club finds itself in just now. So far he has shown nothing.
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Sherwood is probably in the same frame of mind as us, which ever way he shuffles the pack the result is the same, for whatever reason the 'squad' available to him is just devoid of a winning habit mentality call it what you like..Looking at him on the touchline his patience with some of them won't last long and I wouldn't be surprised to see a few untried U21's given a go soon.
We all know where the fault lies for our demise and until he goes ( hopefully getting stung by a big fat loss) we just have to get behind Sherwood and Kevin Mac and take whatever on the chin.
We can't fix the past but can do something for here and now so Tom and Tim have taken it on on themselves to do that. Start of that is Tim accepting the job with immediate task of keeping us in the division. He is or should not be in the same frame of mind as rest of us. He has been chosen for having the wherewithal to deal with the situation club finds itself in just now. So far he has shown nothing.
I might suggest that Sherwood,and those he brought in ,gained employment because they were willing to accept a very low wage.Mr Lerner having to pay out big compensation to Mr Lambert is making quite sure he doesn't get stung again!
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Got back in just before midnight. It was a heck of a long journey.
I thought we were better than we have been, as in we actually created chances. I think a win would do the confidence a world of good. The other results went for us so nothing's really changed really other than it's a game less. It's just a case of keeping the faith.
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Oh, and the Lerner Out banner. I understand the frustration but it's not what we need right now is it? It was a silly idea.
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Oh, and the Lerner Out banner. I understand the frustration but it's not what we need right now is it? It was a silly idea.
Also pointless, considering Lerner is doing his best to do exactly that.
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Sherwood is probably in the same frame of mind as us, which ever way he shuffles the pack the result is the same, for whatever reason the 'squad' available to him is just devoid of a winning habit mentality call it what you like
Isn't that why we hired him? To provide 'a winning habit mentality'.
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Sherwood is a chancer, that's not meant to be derogatory but it's just how it is. He has no experience, learning the trade, work in progress whatever way you want to describe it.
He's precisely not what we needed in our position which makes the appointment and lack of sourcing other options quite baffling to me.
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Passion can only get you so far. Beethoven is meant to have said 'playing a wrong note is insignificant; playing without passion is inexcusable'. He'd obviously never seen us play - we're playing all the wrong notes, and in the wrong order too.
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Cracking goal from Gary Gardner yesterday. Crikey a goal scoring midfield Villa player, didn't know there was such a thing. Get him back for the Albion match, even it's on the bench. Anything's worth a try.
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I don't think he can be recalled until the end of the season.
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The football was better than any of lamberts
But so many poor players in the team who can't control, pass and have doughnuts for brains.
Watching them yesterday I was thinking where are all these brilliant lambert signings as people say he can spend well given the money , thou a few were players yesterday we had before he even came in, of course so many on loan.
I don't want to see agbonlahor again , Weisman is useless and Westwood stop taking set pieces .
All you players with new contracts , hold your heads in shame.
We can still do this but McGrath, its going to be tough.
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Passion can only get you so far. Beethoven is meant to have said 'playing a wrong note is insignificant; playing without passion is inexcusable'. He'd obviously never seen us play - we're playing all the wrong notes, and in the wrong order too.
On a 1983 Bontempi keyboard.
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I spoke to the lads with the banner. It was mainly a pop about 'Too little too late' they added the bit about Lerner.
The whole mis management of Gardner not being recalled is as much Fox's fault as Lamberts.
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That was a cracker by Gardner.
Lets hope he kicks on.
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I spoke to the lads with the banner. It was mainly a pop about 'Too little too late' they added the bit about Lerner.
The whole mis management of Gardner not being recalled is as much Fox's fault as Lamberts.
Who agreed the loan and the agreement that he was not recallable until the end of season if that's true?
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Just think. If we were to go down and had to sell Benteke, we could re-sign proven Championship striker Darren Bent.
This scenario was dreamt up by Joe C....
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The question ultimately will be whether or not the manager can improve the overall play sufficiently enough to change results before the end of the season. He said himself yesterday there was plenty of desire but we lacked quality. Now you can make the argument that a better or more experienced manager would be able to fix this faster, but we don't absolutely know that. What we do know is the level of damage done by Lambert on these players. To think we had scored 12 league goals all season up to his dismissal beggars belief. The players must have had any enthusiasm and spirit completely sucked out of them. This wasn't going to be a quick fix whoever came in.
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Cracking goal from Gary Gardner yesterday. Crikey a goal scoring midfield Villa player, didn't know there was such a thing. Get him back for the Albion match, even it's on the bench. Anything's worth a try.
Goal can be seen here - 35 yards out.
http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/golazos/gary-gardner-scored-long-range-golazo-nottingham-forest-reading-official-video/?
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That's a stunning goal. I really do hope his injuries are behind him and Sherwood gives him a proper chance next season.
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Comparing clubs, Im assuming Newcastle have spent about the same as us on players and wages since they came back up. Does anyone have the hard facts on this?
They have comfortably survived in that time despite having managers most of us would scoff at, Hughton, Pardew and Carver.
Far more board interference at Newcastle with the likes of Cabeye and Carroll being sold for huge money without significant reinvestment.
Player for players the squads are relatively similar.
Is the fact that Ashley is there most weeks taking the abuse, the big difference?
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Comparing clubs, Im assuming Newcastle have spent about the same as us on players and wages since they came back up. Does anyone have the hard facts on this?
They have comfortably survived in that time despite having managers most of us would scoff at, Hughton, Pardew and Carver.
Far more board interference at Newcastle with the likes of Cabeye and Carroll being sold for huge money without significant reinvestment.
Player for players the squads are relatively similar.
Is the fact that Ashley is there most weeks taking the abuse, the big difference?
I think the big difference is they spent most of the timeframe you're talking about under Hughton and Pardew (IMO solid but unspectacular managers) wheres we've had Houllier, McLeish and Lambert (past it, bad and incompetent in that order).
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Comparing clubs, Im assuming Newcastle have spent about the same as us on players and wages since they came back up. Does anyone have the hard facts on this?
They have comfortably survived in that time despite having managers most of us would scoff at, Hughton, Pardew and Carver.
Far more board interference at Newcastle with the likes of Cabeye and Carroll being sold for huge money without significant reinvestment.
Player for players the squads are relatively similar.
Is the fact that Ashley is there most weeks taking the abuse, the big difference?
I think the big difference is they spent most of the timeframe you're talking about under Hughton and Pardew (IMO solid but unspectacular managers) wheres we've had Houllier, McLeish and Lambert (past it, bad and incompetent in that order).
Hughton took Norwich down last season. Pardew was sacked by West Ham and Southampton before being given the job at Newcastle.
Lambert certainly had a higher reputation that those two when he came to us. Houllier too.
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Gardner's goal looked like it had a lot of bend on it.
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Gardner's goal looked like it had a lot of bend on it.
So you are saying he is a bender just because he did a stint at Brighton?
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Comparing clubs, Im assuming Newcastle have spent about the same as us on players and wages since they came back up. Does anyone have the hard facts on this?
They have comfortably survived in that time despite having managers most of us would scoff at, Hughton, Pardew and Carver.
Far more board interference at Newcastle with the likes of Cabeye and Carroll being sold for huge money without significant reinvestment.
Player for players the squads are relatively similar.
Is the fact that Ashley is there most weeks taking the abuse, the big difference?
I think the big difference is they spent most of the timeframe you're talking about under Hughton and Pardew (IMO solid but unspectacular managers) wheres we've had Houllier, McLeish and Lambert (past it, bad and incompetent in that order).
Hughton took Norwich down last season. Pardew was sacked by West Ham and Southampton before being given the job at Newcastle.
Lambert certainly had a higher reputation that those two when he came to us. Houllier too.
Even the best managers have bad spells during their careers, you are nip picking a bit there. Hughton did a good job at Newcastle and is so far doing a decent job at Brighton. At the time Pardew was there Southampton were going through managers like hot dinners. He was not that very long, and he did a good job at West Ham. I agree with the original post that the managers Newcastle have had have been better than what we've had post-MON.
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NU have also made healthy profits over the last few years...
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Gardner's goal looked like it had a lot of bend on it.
Text book Der Hammer
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NU have also made healthy profits over the last few years...
And set to announce them again this week
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/newcastle-united/11441308/Newcastle-United-set-to-announce-bigger-profits-than-top-Premier-League-and-Champions-League-clubs.html