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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on February 21, 2015, 02:00:53 PM
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Villa: Guzan, Hutton, Vlaar, Clark, Richardson, Sinclair, Sanchez, Delph, Gil, Agbonlahor, Benteke.
Subs: Given, Westwood, Cissokho, Weimann, Cleverley, Bacuna, Okore.
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Only question mark for me is no Aly!
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He's gone more attacking with Richardson for Cissokho, two forwards, and two wingers. Okore will be disappointed but it does have more balance with Clark on the left
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What? Cleverley HAS to play because of that loan clause doesn't he?
Oh
Strong bench
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That says one thing to me..."Attack, Attack, Attack, Attack, Attack"
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Positive side. He's clearly going for it. Looks to be either a 4-4-2, or perhaps a 4-2-3-1. Rico in at LB shows the attacking intent too, as he'll undoubtedly offer more going forward, possibly at the expense of defensive solidity, but we're at home, we've got to win games, we might as well go for it.
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Either 4-3-3 with Sinclair and Gabby wide or a 4-4-2 with Sinclair and Gil wide. If it's the latter I hope they'll be 'inside-out' types cutting in, otherwise we'll be very exposed in the centre.
Attacking though. And seeing no Tom Cleverley in the team is like a hit off a crackpipe to me.
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Now I'm nervous. We really need Sanchez to return to pre-Arsenal form to hold that lightweight midfield together.
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Looks like a 442 to me
About as attacking as it could get
Big emphasis on delph and Sanchez today. If Ireland has one of his normal days we'll be fine bit there's an obvious risk that he continuously gets free as the spare man in there
We need intensity and to be on the front foot. We're not good enough to go anything like gung ho tho
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Dropping cissoko in a game like this makes sense
The bloke offers nothing offensively
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Either 4-3-3 with Sinclair and Gabby wide or a 4-4-2 with Sinclair and Gil wide. If it's the latter I hope they'll be 'inside-out' types cutting in, otherwise we'll be very exposed in the centre.
Attacking though. And seeing no Tom Cleverley in the team is like a hit off a crackpipe to me.
Or this
(http://i.giphy.com/CRNx7WgCoZfAQ.gif)
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With the exception of the left back position, its the team that I thought he would go with. Certainly a lot more attack minded. The pattern of play will be interesting - hopefully they'll have more of an idea of what they're doing and look more creative.
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Big game for Gabby today. I don't think he can be lazy under Sherwood.
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Dropping cissoko in a game like this makes sense
The bloke offers nothing offensively
Agreed
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Fingers crossed...
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Them
Begovic; Bardsley, Wollscheid, Wilson, Pieters; Nzonzi, Whelan; Walters, Ireland, Moses; Diouf
Subs: Butland; Teixeira, Adam, Shenton, Sidwell, Arnautovic, Crouch.
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Top scorer on the bench?
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There's a concern that Nzonzi and Whelan could stamp on us in midfield. Then again, Stephen Ireland.
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There's a concern that Nzonzi and Whelan could stamp on us in midfield. Then again, Stephen Ireland.
I think we have a better than even chance with Sanchez and Delph vs those two. Plus he's gone for the "let them worry about us" approach and will push Gil and Sinclair into attacking positions behind the front two as they cut in. Gabby is the interesting one. He's playing down the middle in this set up it appears which is far better than him playing outside, where he is literally no longer effective.
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There's a concern that Nzonzi and Whelan could stamp on us in midfield. Then again, Stephen Ireland.
Apparently Whelan has been very poor according to the clayheads. If we can't beat that Stoke team we may as well give up. The two central defenders are there for the taking, so let's hope Gil and Gabby can run at them. I really hope we don't play with wingers, I'd like to see us more compact in the midfield and use the space rather than give it to them through the middle.
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But it'll be two strikers high up the pitch, with two deep midfielders in the way of our midfielders, with Ireland behind them with acres of space if the defence don't get there. We're outnumbered, and so are playing an extremely high-risk formation. Risks can come off, of course, but I'm not sure about it. I remember in the MON-era screaming at the TV when we were outnumbered in midfield and had one striker uselessly to spare up front.
Then again, as TSOV says, Whelan is rubbish. And Ireland can be really rubbish. I agree on the wingers point: if Gil and Sinclair are played right and left respectively, cutting infield to become attacking midfielders more than wingers, I think we'll dominate them.
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Whatever happens it's going to be better than the last dross we had.
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Bit nervous, seeing that line-up.
Not sure about the midfield, and the left flank is there for the taking.
Also, Stoke's bench looks quite strong, despite them supposedly being decimated by injuries.
Arnautovic caused us quite a bit of bother last season. Him coming on in the last 20 mins could be problematic.
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But it'll be two strikers high up the pitch, with two deep midfielders in the way of our midfielders, with Ireland behind them with acres of space if the defence don't get there. We're outnumbered, and so are playing an extremely high-risk formation. Risks can come off, of course, but I'm not sure about it. I remember in the MON-era screaming at the TV when we were outnumbered in midfield and had one striker uselessly to spare up front.
Then again, as TSOV says, Whelan is rubbish. And Ireland can be really rubbish. I agree on the wingers point: if Gil and Sinclair are played right and left respectively, cutting infield to become attacking midfielders more than wingers, I think we'll dominate them.
I completely agree with the analysis. That's why you hardly ever see 442 any more. And perhaps it won't be
I do think we need more directness, even if it means we will end up ceding possession to them. Stoke should fancy themselves to have a decent amount of the ball today with that midfield against ours. Gil can help with the numbers in the middle. Gabby will need to drop deeper, but he's not exactly blessed technically
It's probably more or less the team i'd have picked tho.
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But it'll be two strikers high up the pitch, with two deep midfielders in the way of our midfielders, with Ireland behind them with acres of space if the defence don't get there. We're outnumbered, and so are playing an extremely high-risk formation. Risks can come off, of course, but I'm not sure about it. I remember in the MON-era screaming at the TV when we were outnumbered in midfield and had one striker uselessly to spare up front.
Then again, as TSOV says, Whelan is rubbish. And Ireland can be really rubbish. I agree on the wingers point: if Gil and Sinclair are played right and left respectively, cutting infield to become attacking midfielders more than wingers, I think we'll dominate them.
He does have the flexibility to make in-game changes if we're not getting enough of the ball. In that case, Gabby can play wide and Carlos can move into the centre to make a 3. My concern would be if Richardson gets exposed because I've seen him ball watch and someone has snuck in and scored because of it.
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Yeah I'd have definitely played cissokho. Walters is under rated
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Win please Villa, we badly need a win.
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The warm up is apparently a lot more energised and pacey than it was before.
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The warm up is apparently a lot more energised and pacey than it was before.
Noticed that last week, the warm up was high-intensity and we started the game on the front foot as a result.
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In two hours time, I suspect thousands of people will have decided that we're either definitely staying up or definitely going down
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Interesting team.
Hopes (apart from a win)
- We get into them from the start
- Gabby and Benteke show what they can really do
- Clark or Sanchez set the tone in the first few minutes by putting Ireland seven feet up in the air.
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Upon seeing that team selection my considered analysis is as follows:-
1. COME ON YOU LIONS!
2. GET THE FUCK INTO THEM!
3. DON'T FANNY ABOUT.
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In two hours time, I suspect thousands of people will have decided that we're either definitely staying up or definitely going down
Ha, I get that feeling too. Obviously going to be an encouraging 2-2 with room for improvement now.
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Roger East ref'ing....he's alright isn't he.
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Interesting first selection. Welcome return for Sanchez and Cissokho had to be dropped. Worryingly it looks another effort to pair Benteke and Gabby up top again. Think that's been done to death without success so hopefully it's changed quickly today if not working.
Think the key today is Sanchez and Delph winning the midfield battle and giving us the platform to push forward. Despite their absences it's not a bad Stoke side. Victor Moses on their left is likely to cause Hutton plenty of problems.
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In two hours time, I suspect thousands of people will have decided that we're either definitely staying up or definitely going down
Ha, I get that feeling too. Obviously going to be an encouraging 2-2 with room for improvement now.
Almost all of the energy generated by his arrival, HT team talk vs Leicester and everything he's said and done this week will dissipate very quickly if at 5pm we look back at a defeat. For everyone's sake we need to win. We can analyze/scrutinize/criticize and pay tribute to the "how we won" later tonight and into next week.
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Big game for Gabby today. I don't think he can be lazy under Sherwood.
In his press conference Sherwood was asked about Gabby's fitness. "He's on fire, absolutely on fire"
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The team talk in full:
1. Get into 'em.
2. Fuck 'em off.
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I do hope this isn't a damp squib. Just go for it, Villa.
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The team talk in full:
1. Get into 'em.
2. Fuck 'em off.
I was reading the thread and singing (quietly) that song :)
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Come on you Villa boys!
I'm excited AND hopeful about a Villa match for the first time in a while!
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It's not 4-4-2 according to the tv
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Come on Villa, good afternoon everyone.
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Big game for Gabby today. I don't think he can be lazy under Sherwood.
In his press conference Sherwood was asked about Gabby's fitness. "He's on fire, absolutely on fire"
Other people see him differently to us. We know Gabby is shit, but you listen to "pundits" and they'll tell you how great Gabby is. Martin Keown was talking about it a few weeks back. It's not based on watching him regularly, it's based on a few highlights they've seen over the last 10 years.
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Yeah, the TV had the formation as a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-5-1
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If it isn't 4-4-2 then he'll have one upfront and look to flood the spaces either side of Benteke as we attack.
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Afternoon all. Here we goo! New dawn v 1.05
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Crowd buzzing
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Definitely 4-4-2, and a long-ball game initially.
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Sherwood Cam #1 - Five o'clock shadow, nervous gulp
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Unlucky lads
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Definitely 4-4-2, and a long-ball game initially.
Direct, you mean?
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Good start boys
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We're actually attacking.
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Definitely 4-4-2, and a long-ball game initially.
Direct, you mean?
That's a euphemism for the same thing, yeah.
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Come on new villa.
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I'm gonna say it: I like wingers and two up front.
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There's 4 former Villains against us today in Bardsley, Ireland, Sidwell and Crouchy.
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There's 4 former Villains against us today in Bardsley, Ireland, Sidwell and Crouchy.
I'm not sure I'd have any of them back.
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I'm gonna say it: I like wingers and two up front.
It's the Villa I fondly remember too. Wingers and a centre forward. Nothing wrong with that.
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There's 4 former Villains against us today in Bardsley, Ireland, Sidwell and Crouchy.
I'm not sure I'd have any of them back.
I'm sure I wouldn't
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I'm gonna say it: I like wingers and two up front.
But...that's what MON did, and it was limited even with unlimited money.
I hope it works well enough for us today, but it's really old-fashioned.
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There's 4 former Villains against us today in Bardsley, Ireland, Sidwell and Crouchy.
I'm not sure I'd have any of them back.
I'm sure I wouldn't
Crouch only. He can still score goals at PL level.
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I'm gonna say it: I like wingers and two up front.
But...that's what MON did, and it was limited even with unlimited money.
I hope it works well enough for us today, but it's really old-fashioned.
Yea limited to 6th place.... ( sad face )
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It's a messy game.
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There's 4 former Villains against us today in Bardsley, Ireland, Sidwell and Crouchy.
I'm not sure I'd have any of them back.
I'm sure I wouldn't
Crouch only. He can still score goals at PL level.
Crouch for me too.
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But...that's what MON did, and it was limited even with unlimited money.
I hope it works well enough for us today, but it's really old-fashioned.
I know you're right but I can't help it. Blame Tony Morley. And Tony Daley. Even Steve Froggatt.
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I'm gonna say it: I like wingers and two up front.
But...that's what MON did, and it was limited even with unlimited money.
I hope it works well enough for us today, but it's really old-fashioned.
MON wasted lots of money elsewhere which takes away from what worked. He also never rotated so what got us into positions couldn't be sustained. You can still play with wingers and a centre forward. Bayern have done ok in recent seasons even if they don't do it so much with Pep there. There's a place for every system providing you have the players and the versatility tactically to go to something else if the initial approach isn't working. That was another of MON's flaws, not having another option once the first was countered.
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We're getting a bit bullied in midfield.
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I'm gonna say it: I like wingers and two up front.
But...that's what MON did, and it was limited even with unlimited money.
I hope it works well enough for us today, but it's really old-fashioned.
Yea limited to 6th place.... ( sad face )
Spurs and Arsenal were imploding, City weren't anywhere near where they are now. Randy's money should have got us fourth, and it didn't.
But...that's what MON did, and it was limited even with unlimited money.
I hope it works well enough for us today, but it's really old-fashioned.
I know you're right but I can't help it. Blame Tony Morley. And Tony Daley. Even Steve Froggatt.
Ha, fair enough. I have an irrational attachment to a back-three because of Brian Little.
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Absolutely belting it down with hail. Glad we're in the posh seats!
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Delph gets caught with the ball far too often in our own half.
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How can snow make noise on my stream!!!
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It's hail - hail Sherwood!
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I'm gonna say it: I like wingers and two up front.
But...that's what MON did, and it was limited even with unlimited money.
I hope it works well enough for us today, but it's really old-fashioned.
MON wasted lots of money elsewhere which takes away from what worked. He also never rotated so what got us into positions couldn't be sustained. You can still play with wingers and a centre forward. Bayern have done ok in recent seasons even if they don't do it so much with Pep there. There's a place for every system providing you have the players and the versatility tactically to go to something else if the initial approach isn't working. That was another of MON's flaws, not having another option once the first was countered.
Wingers and one centre-forward, absolutely, but not two. You leave yourself with too few passing options in midfield and quite open to the counterattack with a wide 4-4-2.
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I'm gonna say it: I like wingers and two up front.
But...that's what MON did, and it was limited even with unlimited money.
I hope it works well enough for us today, but it's really old-fashioned.
MON wasted lots of money elsewhere which takes away from what worked. He also never rotated so what got us into positions couldn't be sustained. You can still play with wingers and a centre forward. Bayern have done ok in recent seasons even if they don't do it so much with Pep there. There's a place for every system providing you have the players and the versatility tactically to go to something else if the initial approach isn't working. That was another of MON's flaws, not having another option once the first was countered.
Wingers and one centre-forward, absolutely, but not two. You leave yourself with too few passing options in midfield and quite open to the counterattack with a wide 4-4-2.
Gil central behind Tekkers with a better wide option would be good.
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I'm gonna say it: I like wingers and two up front.
But...that's what MON did, and it was limited even with unlimited money.
I hope it works well enough for us today, but it's really old-fashioned.
MON wasted lots of money elsewhere which takes away from what worked. He also never rotated so what got us into positions couldn't be sustained. You can still play with wingers and a centre forward. Bayern have done ok in recent seasons even if they don't do it so much with Pep there. There's a place for every system providing you have the players and the versatility tactically to go to something else if the initial approach isn't working. That was another of MON's flaws, not having another option once the first was countered.
Wingers and one centre-forward, absolutely, but not two. You leave yourself with too few passing options in midfield and quite open to the counterattack with a wide 4-4-2.
That's what I thought he'd do before the game, which is why I didn't expect Gabby to be playing today. I'd have actually played one of Cleverley or Westwood today.
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These long hoofs up the pitch aren't working. Get it on the floor and get it forwards.
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TV & Ozz, I agree, I'd have preferred one of those options.
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I'm gonna say it: I like wingers and two up front.
But...that's what MON did, and it was limited even with unlimited money.
I hope it works well enough for us today, but it's really old-fashioned.
MON wasted lots of money elsewhere which takes away from what worked. He also never rotated so what got us into positions couldn't be sustained. You can still play with wingers and a centre forward. Bayern have done ok in recent seasons even if they don't do it so much with Pep there. There's a place for every system providing you have the players and the versatility tactically to go to something else if the initial approach isn't working. That was another of MON's flaws, not having another option once the first was countered.
Wingers and one centre-forward, absolutely, but not two. You leave yourself with too few passing options in midfield and quite open to the counterattack with a wide 4-4-2.
Yea, that was Fergies downfall....the bloody 4-4-2
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We are 17th in the "Live" table as QPR are one down. I'll take anything these days.
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wwwwooooo hhhoooo
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FUCKING YES!
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SCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT BOY
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GET IN
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sinclair you beauty
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YEEEEEEESS!
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Wingers scoring headers....loves it
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http://youtu.be/qYE1f-FmAGA
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GET IN THERE!! Scotty Sinclair!
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Get it out wide! Flood the box! Send the keeper up! Iwo Jima! Oorah!
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Cracking header.
Get in!
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bullet
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Ohhhh YESSSS!!!
Great cross by Delph.
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Wayhay
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Yes Tim, loving it...loving him
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afternoon Lads!! Just tuned in on time!! Get in you beauty!!
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Lovely header that!
Erm.... sign him up please!
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WE HAVE GOALED.
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That's a cracking header! Good goal Sinclair!
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Great to see Sinclair getting off the mark he has done well so far. Maybe Lambert did leave us with at least one good thing :)
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GET IN!!!!
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TS is really enthusiastic - I'm really liking his presence.
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hope Lambert is enjoying his stream ;)
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Come on !!!!!!
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Good to see Tekkers looking more animated.
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Nice one from Sinclair. I'd like to C5.
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header against stoke get in ;)
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Nice one from Sinclair. I'd like to C5.
Nice.
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sinclair could be the leading goalscorer in a couple of games ;)
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Sinclair is looking really good today.
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Listen to that crowd.....
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Great start and other results going our way too with Burnley, QPR and Palace all losing, albeit it means Hull are winning too!
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Good signing Lambo
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Great header, love that when he'd gone to ground off the one corner he looked up saw that there was a chance on and got back up, showing a bit of desire
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Scott Sinclair will be reborn under Sherwood. He will be a bargain when we finalize his deal. He looks really happy to be at the club and it is showing in his football. A good player that lost his way. Now, by his own admission needs to settle down and find a home.
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Sinclair is a real live wire isn't he!
Not at all convinced by Sanchez in a 2 with Delph, both give it away far, far too mcuh.
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See how easy it is?
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Good signing Lambo
He made several. If only he knew what to do with them all.
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We're doing quite well.
I believe that we will win.
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It's amazing what health benefits the removal of a big, thick lump can have.
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Sinclair is a real live wire isn't he!
Not at all convinced by Sanchez in a 2 with Delph, both give it away far, far too mcuh.
It will come, early days
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See how easy it is?
Exactly right. Dangerous cross. Great header. Bang.
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Great start and other results going our way too with Burnley, QPR and Palace all losing, albeit it means Hull are winning too!
Looking at that table, shows how vital a win today is, if just to keep in touch with those above. More teams involved in it the better.
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Good signing Lambo
He made several. If only he knew what to do with them all.
true
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Sherwood has rejuvenated our players so much even Ireland might score.
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http://youtu.be/qYE1f-FmAGA
We need George Gavin now having Sir Graham sing "and did those feet in ancient times..."
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seems like the players have a mission other than just keeping the ball.
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clark well done
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Briil.iant tackle from Clark.
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Good block Clark
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Well done Clark. 8)
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Brilliant from Clark
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Great block by Clark
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Amazing by Clark.
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Big fistings Brad
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Fairly entertaining game so far - obv the score is adding to that fun, but i'm enjoying this today. Who would have thought that..?!?
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Guzan what you doing there?
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Good signing Lambo
He made several. If only he knew what to do with them all.
this
oh and the 8 players out on loan ;'/
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Big fistings Brad
Was that the sequel to Debby Does Dallas?
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Brilliant example there with the 2nd ball in of why high tempo closing down is important. Sinclair went at it like a mad man, and the ball in was poor. Not something we have done with any great effort in a long time.
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Vlaar will leave in the summer and we will be left with an Okore/Clark pairing. Young and improving all the time with hopefully Senderos in there as experienced cover, Baker and Donacien coming through.
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This is so much more promising.
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Big fistings Brad
Was that the sequel to Debby Does Dallas?
:)
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Do wonder, with the state Sunderland are in, whether an Albion win there might not be such a bad thing.
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Just 1 week in and you can see the confidence is better, composure too and attacking intent.
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Today is as much about creative positive momentum as it is about winning the game. We were on the downhill to hell before today
Haha...Barton sent off vs Hull. He is a wanker
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an Albion win there might not be such a bad thing.
Wash your mouth out!
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Barton off for QPR, straight red!
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an Albion win there might not be such a bad thing.
Wash your mouth out!
Apologies. It was an uncomfortable musing.
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It's genuinely great to see our players streaming forward. Such a breath of fresh air.
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Protesting a foul that he wasn't involved in, right in front of the ref he aims a punch at Huddlestone's nuts. What a complete twat.
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an Albion win there might not be such a bad thing.
Wash your mouth out!
Apologies. It was an uncomfortable musing.
He he. You're probably right though. Could do with a few things going our way, whether it be of our own making or not.
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Carlos might be a bit sluggish with his passing at times but he does battle well for the headers in the middle of the park
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Actually enjoying watching the Villa! Feels good. Sinclair and Gil on the pitch completely revitalises our ability to be dangerous.
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Gil has been all fart and no shit so far this game.
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Gillys final pass has been pretty awful so far.
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Tim was right, endeavour, fight and a will to win....
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If we do survive, what Timmy does in the window will be fascinating.
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Just 1 week in and you can see the confidence is better, composure too and attacking intent.
I'm not seeing any composure. It's all very hectic and chasing every ball.
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well done hutton
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we still don't get enough shots in on goal. That has to be addressed in the next few weeks.
Hull 1-1 QPR - Austin
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Top play Alan
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need more from gabby too
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Timbo smiling. Did Lambert ever smile, I wonder? Can he smile?
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QPR level at Hull
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Just 1 week in and you can see the confidence is better, composure too and attacking intent.
I'm not seeing any composure. It's all very hectic and chasing every ball.
The goal....maybe....please
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Just 1 week in and you can see the confidence is better, composure too and attacking intent.
I'm not seeing any composure. It's all very hectic and chasing every ball.
Agreed. Which is fun, and there's an intensity which led to the goal that was entirely absent under PL. I still think we look a bit vulnerable on the break.
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Just 1 week in and you can see the confidence is better, composure too and attacking intent.
I'm not seeing any composure. It's all very hectic and chasing every ball.
I agree, composure is the one thing it could do with. Might be 2 or 3.
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need more from gabby too
That'll be on his fucking tombstone.
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QPR level at Hull
take that
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Just 1 week in and you can see the confidence is better, composure too and attacking intent.
I'm not seeing any composure. It's all very hectic and chasing every ball.
It's better than in recent weeks but there still a lot anxiety in some of our play. Sometimes through all of the excitement and desire there needs to be a bit of composure. Hopefully that will come from a few wins because I think the whole week has been all about the win and that can get you too wound up.
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Gil has been all fart and no shit so far this game.
I'm not sure Gil likes the speed of the game, plus he's getting battered by the Stoke thugs.
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So how have we been chaps?
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I think it shows we were mismanaged under Lambert. Stoke are no better than us but they are 10th.
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Richardson hasn't done too badly, but I don't mind Cissokho coming on. I like him. Hope he isn't badly injured.
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Aly coming on for Richardson. Not the worst thing in the world IMO.
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So how have we been chaps?
I'm encouraged, don't know what the other miserable shits think
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So how have we been chaps?
much better, but a little too hasty at times. Lots of energy and desire, but still lacking some of the quality and composure to create and take our chances.
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So how have we been chaps?
I'm encouraged, don't know what the other miserable shits think
Lovely.
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Hull levelling means we are 16th. I'm loving this surge up the table.
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QPR level at Hull
take that
Moves us up to 16th as it stands.
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Our GD is utterly gash though isn't it? It's like having one less point.
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So how have we been chaps?
Good overall. Upbeat, enthusiastic (if a bit desperate at times). Enjoying the game though, which is nice!
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I heard Sinclair's header was good.
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So how have we been chaps?
I'm encouraged, don't know what the other miserable shits think
Lovely.
It's true....complaining over a poor pass or to much running around....it's a game of football man.
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I heard Sinclair's header was good.
good cross, excellent header
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Just 1 week in and you can see the confidence is better, composure too and attacking intent.
I'm not seeing any composure. It's all very hectic and chasing every ball.
It's better than in recent weeks but there still a lot anxiety in some of our play. Sometimes through all of the excitement and desire there needs to be a bit of composure. Hopefully that will come from a few wins because I think the whole week has been all about the win and that can get you too wound up.
Sanchez is the only player that looks composed. Let's get a second and start dictating the pace as this plays into Stoke's organised play, especially on the counter.
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ffs
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Balls
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Shit.
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Oh dear, balloon punctured, very poor marking
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Shit
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Fucksticks.
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Fuck it!
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Shit
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Bollocks!!!!
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Ah bollocks.
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that was easy for stoke
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It has been much much better in terms of positivity, attacking threat, energy and general enthusiasm. That's led to more chances and the goal. You can only assume that's entirely down to Sherwood. What we don't know yet is how solid the foundations are.
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What a fucking awful one to let in.
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2-1 Villa
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Awful defending
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We will score again.
#Relax
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Bollocks.
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Oh Dear, could have done without that. Why have we stopped attacking?????
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Ah, nuts.
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Fucks sake, sort it out Villa. You have to defend better than that.
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Fook.
My stream is so far behind.
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if only gabby had the passion of hutton
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Bollocks
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We will score again.
#Relax
I actually agree with you.
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Palace two down so some good news
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Cissokho is a hopeless player.
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So how have we been chaps?
I'm encouraged, don't know what the other miserable shits think
Lovely.
It's true....complaining over a poor pass or to much running around....it's a game of football man.
So not being as happy as a brainwashed cult member makes people 'miserable shits'? Not my place to mod, of course, but some friendly advice, poster-to-poster: tone down the language, mate.
Edit: Ah for fuck's...CHINS UP! KEEP GOING!
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I predicted 3-1 so they had to score at some point. I expect 2 more goals now but conceding a goal before HT is really shit.
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Long way to go yet.
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Oh Dear, could have done without that. Why have we stopped attacking?????
dregs of Lambert maybe?
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Tim will put the spunk up them at half time again
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Three defenders around him and still a free header
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This isn't going to fix itself overnight but we really need to win today.
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Back down to 18th now :-(
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This isn't going to fix itself overnight but we really need to win today.
And that's the point, we really badly need to win today. So come on Villa step it up in the second half.
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Look, this is the Villa. We never, ever do things smoothly. Timbo will give 'em a rocket at half time and we'll come out roaring.
I hope.
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Shame about the goal, too, because the defence have been doing really well to make up for the open midfield, then a simple cross in the box is missed by all of them.
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We need to get a grip of the bloody midfield. We're getting bullied far too often.
We also need to stop putting high balls into the box. Sinclair's goal apart, we haven't won a single header in there. We're making it very easy for their makeshift defence.
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Well Tim they need a motivational half time kick up the arse.
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Decent first half. Need to see more from Gabby and improvement from Gil.
We're unlucky to be level. Probably deserved to be 1-0 up.
Ireland is a little ******
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Still only 1 attempt at goal in 45 minutes.
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Must win game this
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So how have we been chaps?
I'm encouraged, don't know what the other miserable shits think
Lovely.
It's true....complaining over a poor pass or to much running around....it's a game of football man.
So not being as happy as a brainwashed cult member makes people 'miserable shits'? Not my place to mod, of course, but some friendly advice, poster-to-poster: tone down the language, mate.
Edit: Ah for fuck's...CHINS UP! KEEP GOING!
I wasn't directing it at you, but still to see people actually bitching about a players misplaced pass or a mistake, drives me nuts. Human beings on the pitch, not animated pixels on the tv. First game in charge his formation is being condemned ( that is aimed at you ) ::)
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Still only 1 attempt at goal in 45 minutes.
Yep, still a big problem. We're not creating enough chances
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Stoke singing they are pride of the Midlands. What is it with these Mickey Mouse clubs? Twats not even close to selling their tickets.
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Pretty good so far. Very positive going forward. We're not going to keep clean sheets like this but we at least look like we might score, and we've got decent attacking players.
We don't look like a team lacking in any attacking intent, or showing a fear of losing the ball. How long the new burst of confidence will last under Sherwood remains, but at the very least I don't think he'll settle for defeatist attitudes and demeanours on the pitch.
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Hm. I think Stoke were controlling the game by the time they scored. We're not troubling their defence, they're out-muscling us in midfield and their forwards move abaahhht a bit. In contrast we look poor, mostly.
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Still only 1 attempt at goal in 45 minutes.
Yep, still a big problem. We're not creating enough chances
Isn't a man alive who completely changed a teams ways in a few days.
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I wasn't directing it at you, but still to see people actually bitching about a players misplaced pass or a mistake, drives me nuts. Human beings on the pitch, not animated pixels on the tv. First game in charge his formation is being condemned ( that is aimed at you ) ::)
Fair enough, but people can complain I think. The language was a bit much.
Also, it could be his first game in charge or his 500th, why shouldn't I talk about the formation? FWIW, I think it has left us looking open, getting bullied in midfield and not having enough passing options in the middle which results in the hoof to Benteke (actually, hoof to the opposition). I like some things about us - more intensity, more chasing, better pressing up the pitch - but not everything, and the good things have still only resulted in one actual shot.
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Other than absence of sideways passing not much different. Not sure why Gabby is on the pitch other than getting in Sinclair's way. Benteke still not good other than that lot of rain on the pitch.
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We need to come out of the traps and get some moves and shots going.
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Still only 1 attempt at goal in 45 minutes.
Yep, still a big problem. We're not creating enough chances
Isn't a man alive who completely changed a teams ways in a few days.
Sherwood did it last week in 5 minutes.
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Just fucking win Villa please.
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We do seem to be getting a little overrun in midfield. I'm not sure how Gabby managed to get himself picked, but whatever he did in training must have been better than what he has managed here so far.
I think with Gil, Sinclair and Benteke we have a strong enough front three, so I'd tae Agbonlahor off and stick Westwood in the midfield.
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Just fucking win Villa please.
This is precisely how my frontal lobes function with regard to football matters.
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I wasn't directing it at you, but still to see people actually bitching about a players misplaced pass or a mistake, drives me nuts. Human beings on the pitch, not animated pixels on the tv. First game in charge his formation is being condemned ( that is aimed at you ) ::)
Fair enough, but people can complain I think. The language was a bit much.
Also, it could be his first game in charge or his 500th, why shouldn't I talk about the formation? FWIW, I think it has left us looking open, getting bullied in midfield and not having enough passing options in the middle which results in the hoof to Benteke (actually, hoof to the opposition). I like some things about us - more intensity, more chasing, better pressing up the pitch - but not everything, and the good things have still only resulted in one actual shot.
The language, pot kettle sunshine....have you seen what was put when they equalised...and what you wrote.
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I wasn't directing it at you, but still to see people actually bitching about a players misplaced pass or a mistake, drives me nuts. Human beings on the pitch, not animated pixels on the tv. First game in charge his formation is being condemned ( that is aimed at you ) ::)
Fair enough, but people can complain I think. The language was a bit much.
Also, it could be his first game in charge or his 500th, why shouldn't I talk about the formation? FWIW, I think it has left us looking open, getting bullied in midfield and not having enough passing options in the middle which results in the hoof to Benteke (actually, hoof to the opposition). I like some things about us - more intensity, more chasing, better pressing up the pitch - but not everything, and the good things have still only resulted in one actual shot.
The language, pot kettle sunshine....have you seen what was put when they equalised...and what you wrote.
I didn't direct it at anyone though. Other than Villa. And the football gods.
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Right, if we win this I'm getting a Villa gilet.
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I wasn't directing it at you, but still to see people actually bitching about a players misplaced pass or a mistake, drives me nuts. Human beings on the pitch, not animated pixels on the tv. First game in charge his formation is being condemned ( that is aimed at you ) ::)
Fair enough, but people can complain I think. The language was a bit much.
Also, it could be his first game in charge or his 500th, why shouldn't I talk about the formation? FWIW, I think it has left us looking open, getting bullied in midfield and not having enough passing options in the middle which results in the hoof to Benteke (actually, hoof to the opposition). I like some things about us - more intensity, more chasing, better pressing up the pitch - but not everything, and the good things have still only resulted in one actual shot.
The language, pot kettle sunshine....have you seen what was put when they equalised...and what you wrote.
I didn't direct it at anyone though. Other than Villa. And the football gods.
Point taken....no more calling people shits.
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If Gabby was on fire in training, who's stolen his Swan Vestas?
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Just joined I feel physical sick.
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My stream for this is pretty annoying today, commentary a good way ahead of the picture and fairly frequent need to reload.
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Point taken....no more calling people shits.
No problem, mate.
Now, where's that second goal...
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Oooh that's a lush stat, we've scored only 3 times in the 2nd half of a league game
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Guzan that was just pointless and dense.
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Hmmm, shaky start to this half
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My stream for this is pretty annoying today, commentary a good way ahead of the picture and fairly frequent need to reload.
Mine too. I'm going to give up, I think
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Just fucking win Villa please.
This. Come on Villa!!!
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My stream for this is pretty annoying today, commentary a good way ahead of the picture and fairly frequent need to reload.
Mine too. I'm going to give up, I think
I have a great one
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I would sacrifice Gabby for another midfielder. He's not really offering much.
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Cissokho is dire. Rubbish.
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We're struggling here
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My stream for this is pretty annoying today, commentary a good way ahead of the picture and fairly frequent need to reload.
Mine too. I'm going to give up, I think
Unusual given the source (the same as you, if memory serves) is generally excellent.
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I would sacrifice Gabby for another midfielder. He's not really offering much.
I can't think of anything so far
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Our crossing just isn't good enough.
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My stream for this is pretty annoying today, commentary a good way ahead of the picture and fairly frequent need to reload.
Mine too. I'm going to give up, I think
I have a great one
Would you be willing to share?
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I would sacrifice Gabby for another midfielder. He's not really offering much.
I can't think of anything so far
Even Weimann would be better, because at least he presses more up the pitch and comes back to help the midfield more. i.e., he runs.
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My stream for this is pretty annoying today, commentary a good way ahead of the picture and fairly frequent need to reload.
Mine too. I'm going to give up, I think
I have a great one
Would you be willing to share?
Yea there's 10 of them, but I can't on here apparently...
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Cissokho is dire. Rubbish.
Seems to be getting worse, too. I thought he was alright to start with. Hope Vegas is proving fun, by the way!
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Gabby just does't have it anymore
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I would sacrifice Gabby for another midfielder. He's not really offering much.
I can't think of anything so far
Do I give him the benefit of doubt that he might not be 100%?
You'd think he'd look a bit more fired up to be honest. The others have largely.
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Nothing has really changed. Stoke in control.
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Cissokho is dire. Rubbish.
Seems to be getting worse, too. I thought he was alright to start with. Hope Vegas is proving fun, by the way!
It's been brilliant ta! Watching the game live on NBC.
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Diouf worries me. He's a menace. The sooner Benteke gets one in off the shin, the better. We need him back on form.
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Silly mistakes creeping into our game. We've lost our way.
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Where is the new manager bounce ?
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Gabby just does't have it anymore
Yep, sorry to say it but he's done at this level.
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Sherwood out.
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Yea I think Gil coming off is right. This hasn't been his day
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Gil going off. I think he's been alright, he certainly keeps busy in a game, but he hasn't managed to influence too much directly.
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My stream for this is pretty annoying today, commentary a good way ahead of the picture and fairly frequent need to reload.
Mine too. I'm going to give up, I think
I have a great one
Would you be willing to share?
PM you the links
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At least Gil's been involved, wanting the ball. Gabby's just been absent
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Sloppy passing by our midfield going on.
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sanchez is having a little mare
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Sanchez won the ball then.
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Stupid by Guzan.
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sanchez is having a little mare
Has he speeded his game up yet ?
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Struggling here.
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We badly need to win this
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Stupid by Guzan.
I'll be honest, I think Given should be playing. Guzan is overrated.
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Strange keeping Gabby on.
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They're not fouls man
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Carlos is a red waiting to happen today. I'd bring on Westwood or Cleverley.
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Ffs Benteke
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We seem to have lost our steam! Stoke are definitely on top!
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Sinclair has looked dangerous all game, actually wants and can go past a player
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we simply have so little confidence and belief to try and get behind the Stoke defence
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Sloppy
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Think it may be a little optimistic to think Sherwood coming in will mean we're 100% guaranteed to stay up.
1 shot so far. At home. To Stoke.
Has he got enough games to turn us around?
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We need a break our way.
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Still a lot of the old frustrations remain. Silly decisions all over the pitch. Poor midfield presence. Bad passing. No penetration. Lack of confidence. Aly Cissokho...
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Weimann looks hopeless sometimes. You'd think he's never seen a football before in his life.
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come on villa ffs
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Stoke really are big at the back. Any cross coming in has to be perfect to get to Benteke
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Stoke bossing this.
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I'm really worried were going to lose this.
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this is so untidy
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This is when the Lambert vibe comes back into the players, they've kinda forgotten a little what they've been doing the last week. It will come in time though, something we don't have much of.
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We get the ball in midfield, there aren't enough options, we go wide, rushed cross, nothing doing, they get the ball, loads of space through the midfield, look dangerous. It's like a lesson in the problems of 4-4-2.
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Honestly, Stoke are such a dirty bunch. You can change the manager just not the culture.
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Our problems run too deep I fear.
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I said earlier Stoke are no better than us. I was wrong.
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We're going nowhere. Timbo needs to change this.
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We get the ball in midfield, there aren't enough options, we go wide, rushed cross, nothing doing, they get the ball, loads of space through the midfield, look dangerous. It's like a lesson in the problems of 4-4-2.
Having said that, it did get us a goal which has been our achilles heel for ages. We were looking good value for most of the first half but conceding that goal seems to have drained our confidence.
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High tempo doesn't suit Sanchez. He's looked hopeless today.
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Stoke will win this at this rate.
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No urgency and no ideas. We need to win this for fucks sake.
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High tempo doesn't suit Sanchez. He's looked hopeless today.
Yep , way off the pace. Very slow player
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"You're not fit to referee!"
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We get the ball in midfield, there aren't enough options, we go wide, rushed cross, nothing doing, they get the ball, loads of space through the midfield, look dangerous. It's like a lesson in the problems of 4-4-2.
Having said that, it did get us a goal which has been our achilles heel for ages. We were looking good value for most of the first half but conceding that goal seems to have drained our confidence.
Without wanting to seem nitpicky, I'm not sure how responsible the system was for the goal. It was a second ball from a set-piece with lots of players out of position in the box. Credit to Sherwood, Sinclair went at it with a boldness entirely lacking even a week and a half ago, and that's what Sherwood brings - I just don't think the system had much to do with it.
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We've gone back to long ball Benteke. I was hoping we'd keep on the path we were going down with Lambert with the possession football, just add creative ways to get into the box and create chances. Giving them the ball back constantly only leads to bad things.
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Ref down!
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Gabby is fucking hopeless.
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Get bloody Sanchez off and westwood on
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I said earlier Stoke are no better than us. I was wrong.
They're a solid, well organised side and firmly established now in the way Hughes wants to play. Hard work, rigidity with a little quality at the top.
I'm pleased we're positive at least but they're definitely a better team than us on current terms. Likewise the difference of having an in form striker is plain to see today. Diouf is menacing, and Benteke is awful.
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Our lay offs in the final third are more in hope than judgement
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Sanchez has been poor today, not sure the PL suits him.
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corner, better move
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Without wanting to seem nitpicky, I'm not sure how responsible the system was for the goal. It was a second ball from a set-piece with lots of players out of position in the box. Credit to Sherwood, Sinclair went at it with a boldness entirely lacking even a week and a half ago, and that's what Sherwood brings - I just don't think the system had much to do with it.
So it's down to 442 when we're struggling but nothing to do with 442 when we score? If I didn't know you better Monty I'd say you were predisposed to hate 442 regardless.
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Not sure what Gabby is offering us.
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Without wanting to seem nitpicky, I'm not sure how responsible the system was for the goal. It was a second ball from a set-piece with lots of players out of position in the box. Credit to Sherwood, Sinclair went at it with a boldness entirely lacking even a week and a half ago, and that's what Sherwood brings - I just don't think the system had much to do with it.
So it's down to 442 when we're struggling but nothing to do with 442 when we score? If I didn't know you better Monty I'd say you were predisposed to hate 442 regardless.
Well it's true I don't like the system, but really I'm unsure how it was down to the it that we scored. With respect, you haven't answered the specifics of my point at all. I don't like it because of how we're playing today. It's how teams who play with this sort of setup always play.
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I always felt we weren't a very fit side under Lambert. Not compared to many other clubs in the top flight. Too many players running out of steam on 60-70minutes. Timmy clearly wants a high tempo, but I think the previous fitness regime is going to hinder that.
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I'm not even watching it and gabby is hopeless.
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Just a bit of luck in the box, please. A dodgy penalty. Anything.
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There's going to be quite a bit of injury time by the looks of it
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Sanchez has been poor today, not sure the PL suits him.
When we played the slow tempo, possession game under Lambert he looked good (though the team almost never threatened). In a high tempo side, he looks awful. Ultimately he'll need to adapt or he'll get shipped off.
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this'll be last on MOTD tonight! Struggling to stay awake at the moment!
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This is so frustrating.
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Gabby's useless. A total waste of a position.
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Fuck off Gabby.
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fuck me Gabby, you are poor
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Gabby is obviously finished.
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Gabby. Sigh. A waste of a shirt. Please prove me wrong and smash in the winner
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I'm not even watching it and gabby is hopeless.
I'm hoping Sherwood, in the long run gets Gabby to shed a stone. The sooner he's svelter and more aerodynamic again, the better. He doesn't even look quick anymore, which basically makes him a redundant player now.
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High tempo doesn't suit Sanchez. He's looked hopeless today.
Having to run our midfield alone I think he's done more than fine.
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Get bent on for Gabby, oh wait...
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Bent scores again albeit from the spot.
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Time for Timbo to replace Dimbo.
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Burnley level ffs
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I always felt we weren't a very fit side under Lambert. Not compared to many other clubs in the top flight. Too many players running out of steam on 60-70minutes. Timmy clearly wants a high tempo, but I think the previous fitness regime is going to hinder that.
This has been said for years now. cf. That Wanker Terry. Also, I read that the players disliked the high standards required by Roy Keane. When are they going to get some players to train properly if this is the case?
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Stoke just look more confident even if they aren't doing much themselves. They have the assurance of a team that is safe in mid table versus us and our lack of belief and jangling nerves.
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Wish we'd shipped Gabby off to Derby instead of the guy who's scored again today.
...and Burnley fucking equalise
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I'm not even watching it and gabby is hopeless.
I'm hoping Sherwood, in the long run gets Gabby to shed a stone. The sooner he's svelter and more aerodynamic again, the better. He doesn't even look quick anymore, which basically makes him a redundant player now.
In all honesty, it won't matter.
The pace is gone. It started when he bulked up, but he just isn't that fast anymore. Age, injuries and him deciding to bulk up all added to it.
Scott Sinclair is proving today he does the job of Gabby but better and faster.
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Corner again
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We really are poor.
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Our set pieces are fucking atrocious.
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Well, if he didn't know it before, Sherwood has a job on his hands.
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Fucking hell Carlos. How has he stayed on?
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My goodness this is poor. I'd take off Gabby, bring Bacuna on, push Sinclair to the right and Weimann to the middle
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Final ball will be our problem all season, just don't have the players. Not Tims fault
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This was must win, I think we are down.
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FUCK STOP GIVING AWAY THE BALL!!!!
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Fuck me, Cissokho got a s ball in.
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I'm not even watching it and gabby is hopeless.
I'm hoping Sherwood, in the long run gets Gabby to shed a stone. The sooner he's svelter and more aerodynamic again, the better. He doesn't even look quick anymore, which basically makes him a redundant player now.
In all honesty, it won't matter.
The pace is gone. It started when he bulked up, but he just isn't that fast anymore. Age, injuries and him deciding to bulk up all added to it.
Scott Sinclair is proving today he does the job of Gabby but better and faster.
Sadly it's looking that way.
Sinclair has impressed me today. He looks fired up and he looks like a player who could potentially keep us up.
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Weimann....corners....HA
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Fuck off Weimann, utterly hopeless.
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weiman you fuvckng..árrgghh
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another corner. Nobody attacking the ball though from Cissokho's cross
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Fucking hell another atrocious corner.
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Weimann takes a corner. Result almost inevitable.
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Why on earth is Weimann taking corners?
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How many more shit corners are we going to suffer? Bloody awful, not even beating the first man.
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nearly scored from our corner then
terrible weiman
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It'll take time for any new manager to make a difference, which is why Lambert should have been sacked last month. We still look like a Lambert team; no confidence, no ideas, no discernable game plan and no goal threat.
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Guzan saves us
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That corner was a disgrace. Weimann should be fined a year's salary for that!
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In our position we just can't have passengers like Gabby playing. Give a youngster a chance if there's no one else.
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I'd bring bacuna on, gabby or Sanchez off. Our decision making in the final third is one of the main problems. Too often its left to our full backs to create, when it should be Delph, gil( if he was on) or Sinclair doing that.
Weimann... Come on, better corner, please
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There's gonna be so much injury time we might as well play the whole game over again.
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Walters takes Cissokho down with a Suplex. :|
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this has an air of inevitability about it doesn't it?
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Nearly 32,000 but too much Stoke singing for my liking.
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gaby needs dropping
every manager he plays under he looks shit
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It'll take time for any new manager to make a difference, which is why Lambert should have been sacked last month. We still look like a Lambert team; no confidence, no ideas, no discernable game plan and no goal threat.
Sorry Stu but Lambert should have been sacked last May.
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Bacuna should be on for Gabby by now.
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this has an air of inevitability about it doesn't it?
Stoke was about the worst team we could have played today. The Wimbledon of the noughties.
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It'll take time for any new manager to make a difference, which is why Lambert should have been sacked last month. We still look like a Lambert team; no confidence, no ideas, no discernable game plan and no goal threat.
Was hoping for that new manager bounce though and we haven't even had that really. Worrying times
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Co-commentaor says as Ireland goes off "one or two spectacular goals from Ireland in his time here". Really? 'cos I missed all of those
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Sinclair has to be up top. Bacuna wide left cutting in, Gil right when fully fit.
Sanchez has been very poor.
Gabby is a massive, massive problem. Just not a premier league footballer any more.
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Well it's true I don't like the system, but really I'm unsure how it was down to the it that we scored. With respect, you haven't answered the specifics of my point at all. I don't like it because of how we're playing today. It's how teams who play with this sort of setup always play.
Put it this way: we've played other systems and had much worse days than this. In fact things have been so bad that this is one of our better games. I know you have an ideological objection to 442 as if it's some sort of horrific totalitarian nightmare but Sherwood can't afford to play theoretically. He has to play the system he has most faith in, which he believes the players are most comfortable with and, above all, which he thinks will get us the greatest number of points. He's got 12 games to go. It's easy for you, or me, or anyone, to say '442 is dead' but you, me, or anyone, don't have the responsibility of getting the points.
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Looks like stoke are going to go for it.
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He's got a big job on here. I think they've left it too late this season.
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championship player
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Co-commentaor says as Ireland goes off "one or two spectacular goals from Ireland in his time here". Really? 'cos I missed all of those
Yes I just heard that. Is it Dowie? Talking out of his arse. We only saw one of any sort didn't we?
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Weimann, why man?
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Oh fuck off Andi!
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damn thought that was it
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It'll take time for any new manager to make a difference, which is why Lambert should have been sacked last month. We still look like a Lambert team; no confidence, no ideas, no discernable game plan and no goal threat.
Was hoping for that new manager bounce though and we haven't even had that really. Worrying times
I think we had it against Leicester. That was it.
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Wow a decent corner.
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Weimann has been awful since he came on.
Corner
Fuck me Clark close there
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Weimann has put in an actual 0 out of 10 performance today.
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hutton is awesome one minute and donkey the next
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Four minutes?
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Well it's true I don't like the system, but really I'm unsure how it was down to the it that we scored. With respect, you haven't answered the specifics of my point at all. I don't like it because of how we're playing today. It's how teams who play with this sort of setup always play.
Put it this way: we've played other systems and had much worse days than this. In fact things have been so bad that this is one of our better games. I know you have an ideological objection to 442 as if it's some sort of horrific totalitarian nightmare but Sherwood can't afford to play theoretically. He has to play the system he has most faith in, which he believes the players are most comfortable with and, above all, which he thinks will get us the greatest number of points. He's got 12 games to go. It's easy for you, or me, or anyone, to say '442 is dead' but you, me, or anyone, don't have the responsibility of getting the points.
It's not theory. Under Lambert, it didn't matter what he did, system-wise, but last weekend we saw Sherwoodian enthusiasm plus a 4-3-3 which gave us late runners from midfield. You're saying Sherwood has 'faith' in a system. I don't want him to faith. I want him to have thoughts, and to see when things aren't working.
The reason I don't like 4-4-2 isn't just some intellectual masturbation. It's because whenever it's played the team plays shit in an entirely predictable way.
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Ciaran Clark is a real bright spot this season. He has come on leaps and bounds.
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How much injury time?
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Weimann has put in an actual 0 out of 10 performance today.
generous
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Hull do us a favour - 2-1 up against Quite Possibly Relegated
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vlaar you fuck
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How much injury time?
4 min
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Idiots.
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Fuck. Fuck. FUCK.
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Bollocks
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Bollocks FUCK It!
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Vlaar you useless twat.
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That is us down.
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Jesus fucking wept.
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FUCK ME PENALTY TO STOKE - Vlaar sent off
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Holy fuck.
WHY???
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Fucking hell Ron. He's looked fucked all game. He's got no place playing in this league with his fucking legs.
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Utterly desperate
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Gutted
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vlaar you absolute twat
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I think we're going down.
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That's it. season over.
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Well done Vlaar you fucking tit.
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gabby and weiman can fuck off too . championship players
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wow, what a fucking disaster
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Vlaar you fucking idiot. One fucking injury prone twat cost us.
Okore and Clark. Every week. Please.
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That's the Villa I know. We just love, love, love throwing it all away.
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Well done Vlaar, at fault for both goals. Fuck off and don't come back.
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I can't put into words the despair I feel at the moment.
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This is the day isn't it.
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I think we're going down.
Mourinho would not keep this lot up.
Lambert has bled every bit of life as footballers from them.
Just time to accept it and plan for next season.
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gabby and weiman can fuck off too . championship players
They will be next season.
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I am sick to death of fucking losing.
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I hope Sherwood tears Vlaar a new one.
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Well done Vlaar, at fault for both goals. Fuck off and don't come back.
Agreed. Would not pick him again this season.
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My guess is we won't hear the word "excellent" being used to describe the performance after the game.
Sherwood has a massive, massive uphill battle. Gutted.
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Shit. Added on time in both halves. Gutting.
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What a pile of shit!
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down to 19th .. :(
I think we are fucked now ..
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12 games left. No further progress made.
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we have some poor players thats all I know
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Fans booing, sort it
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Deeper into the shit
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That's us down then, new manager bounce my arse.
Sherwood is not the saviour.
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I hope sherwood shows some bollocks and dont start with gabby
didnt need him last week did we
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Stoke killed our Champions League hopes under O'Neill, they've just done the same for our Premier League stay.
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down to 19th .. :(
I think we are fucked now ..
I think our hope lies in games against the teams in the bottom 6. We've just been shown up completely by a mid-table club like Stoke, who looked a lot better. They're missing a whole host of players and still had a better team out.
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Bye bye Premier League
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Stoke killed our Champions League hopes under O'Neill, they've just done the same for our Premier League stay.
Yup, as I said, the WImbledon of the noughties.
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Still 36 points to go for....chin up.
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Stoke killed our Champions League hopes under O'Neill, they've just done the same for our Premier League stay.
Fucking hate Stoke
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down to 19th .. :(
I think we are fucked now ..
We're 18th. Joint 17th on points.
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We're so, so poor when in possession of the ball.
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a shambles and it's time for some brave team selections
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I hope sherwood shows some bollocks and dont start with gabby
didnt need him last week did we
He needs to weed out the shit pretty sharpish. He's made an instant call on TC and Westwood, which I largely agree with, though his style doesn't suit Sanchez it seems.
The sooner we get rid of Gabby and Weimann the better though. We've got Grealish and Bacuna waiting in the wings. Maybe even Robinson is worth a punt at this stage (if he's around, or can be called back).
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Two shots on target, and not fit enough, Stoke quicker and stronger on the ball, lots to improve on Tim
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As if people are saying 'that's it' or 'we're relegated'. Sure everyone was hoping for a win today, but everyone equally knows that this is a club in a mess. We don't have a lot of time for patience, but we need some that's for sure. One game is not enough!
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a shambles and it's time for some brave team selections
I thought today was brave. Unfortunately we looked poorer for losing Rico, and Gabby was still hideously shit today. Benteke looks a shadow of his former self. Our season rests on him really. If he can get back in form we stay up. If not we're fucked.
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Two shots on target, and not fit enough, Stoke quicker and stronger on the ball, lots to improve on Tim
Fitness was a persistent problem with Lambert. I'm not sure 12 games is enough for Sherwood to whip them into shape. We're going to be resting entirely on the games against Sunderland, Burnley, WBA and QPR I reckon. We've got to be winning 3 of those to stay up. And we'll need a few good results against teams with one foot on their holidays during the run-in.