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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Billy Walker on February 14, 2015, 08:01:46 PM
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I had a quick look around to see if we had a thread on this guy - if we have apologies for starting this one. Clearly he now has a very important role within the club's organisation as he was reportedly working with Fox to recruit Sherwood. I'm just wondering does anyone know anything about Paddy and his background? I know this is his second spell with Villa (he worked with Liverpool briefly) but beyond that I've heard very little about him. Come to think of it, has anyone even come across a photo of him or interview with him?
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I don't normally (ever) post on here, and prefer just to be a silent reader, but I knew Paddy quite well from his first stint at the Villa and would like to say a few words.
He was employed initially as as a science coach- making sure Richard Dunne kept in shape (or not) and then became chief scout.
We can thank Paddy for finding Westwood and the Beast.
He left to become being chief scout at Liverpool and is now back at Bodymoor.
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Let's hope that his managerial scouting is as good as his scouting of unkown Belgian strikers then.
Was he involved in getting Gil signed up?
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He is responsible for finding new players
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Finding a manager turned down by Spurs, Newcastle, Palace, QPR and Albion is very difficult.
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He is responsible for finding new players
He has done a pretty good job recently then imho. Seriously, I think our signings / value for money have been one of the few bright spots
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Wasn't he an analyst guy under O'Neill first time he was here?
Done well to step up the food chain so to speak.
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I don't normally (ever) post on here, and prefer just to be a silent reader, but I knew Paddy quite well from his first stint at the Villa and would like to say a few words.
He was employed initially as as a science coach- making sure Richard Dunne kept in shape (or not) and then became chief scout.
We can thank Paddy for finding Westwood and the Beast.
He left to become being chief scout at Liverpool and is now back at Bodymoor.
Thanks for the info.
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Paddy Reilly ? Wasn't he the hapless builder in Fawlty Towers
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Paddy Reilly ? Wasn't he the hapless builder in Fawlty Towers
Ha ha ha, excellent.
Although that was "O'Reilly", I think.
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Wasn't he an analyst guy under O'Neill first time he was here?
I find it hard to believe MON had anyone analysing anything.
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Wasn't he an analyst guy under O'Neill first time he was here?
I find it hard to believe MON had anyone analysing anything.
I think he may have been the guy to delete the files.
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Paddy Reilly ? Wasn't he the hapless builder in Fawlty Towers
oh really?
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So Westwood, Beast and Gil can say 'we are O'Reilly men'?
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Wasn't he an analyst guy under O'Neill first time he was here?
I find it hard to believe MON had anyone analysing anything.
Checking that potential signings had British passports?
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That was him sat to the right of Sherwood at the match today (Fox was the other side of Sherwood).
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I don't normally (ever) post on here, and prefer just to be a silent reader, but I knew Paddy quite well from his first stint at the Villa and would like to say a few words.
He was employed initially as as a science coach- making sure Richard Dunne kept in shape (or not) and then became chief scout.
We can thank Paddy for finding Westwood and the Beast.
He left to become being chief scout at Liverpool and is now back at Bodymoor.
Didnt know that
Although total fail with keeping Dunne in shape! Although I always liked Dunne
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If you're desperate to see him
(http://myeire.ru/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/06_refrain_600.jpg)
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So which player did he discover for Liverpool.
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I don't normally (ever) post on here, and prefer just to be a silent reader, but I knew Paddy quite well from his first stint at the Villa and would like to say a few words.
He was employed initially as as a science coach- making sure Richard Dunne kept in shape (or not) and then became chief scout.
We can thank Paddy for finding Westwood and the Beast.
He left to become being chief scout at Liverpool and is now back at Bodymoor.
Didnt know that
Although total fail with keeping Dunne in shape! Although I always liked Dunne
Depends upon what shape I reckon.......
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Paddy Reilly ? Wasn't he the hapless builder in Fawlty Towers
oh really?
I remember him. He liked a woman with spirit!
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speaking to someone within the game who's judgement I respect, he says Reilly hasn't got a f****** clue - should fit in well then
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But is rumoured to have found Gil and Benteke.
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Peoples secret in the know friends only ever appear to have bad things to say. It's a British phenomenon this desire to put people down.
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Nicely put Ads.
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But is rumoured to have found Gil and Benteke.
Surely Benteke was found on Henke's watch?
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But is rumoured to have found Gil and Benteke.
Surely Benteke was found on Henke's watch?
If he was, I hope it was insured.
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(http://darkroom.shortlist.com/420/051922885432637b786415c993753549:76011d40771502cff447828492938d4c/pulp-fiction)
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Recruiting a manager who hasn't passed his Pro A license and hasn't completed a full season managing must require lots of experience.
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In that McLeish interview on Talksport this week he said they had done all the background work on Benteke in his season in charge.
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(http://www.themusicalpocketwatch.com/images/eastwoodsmallfinalduel2.jpg)
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In that McLeish interview on Talksport this week he said they had done all the background work on Benteke in his season in charge.
McLeish says a lot of things. He had done all the work and wanted to sign Messi and Bale
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2284693/Gareth-Bale-Alex-McLeish-reveals-close-signing-Birmingham--EXCLUSIVE.html
http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/villa-boss-mcleish-i-tried-sign-barcelona-star-messi-rangers-2663851#.VOVtBUuBs6U
oh and in their prime he knew about and wanted to sign Owen & Bellamy
http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/09/21/1514935/alex-mcleish-birmingham-city-wanted-to-sign-michael-owen
http://www.espnfc.com/story/323656/mcleish-admits-i-wanted-bellamy-too
Mcleish's "I was going to sign..." transfer record is incredible. Particularly when you compare it to his actual one....
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In that McLeish interview on Talksport this week he said they had done all the background work on Benteke in his season in charge.
McLeish says a lot of things. He had done all the work and wanted to sign Messi and Bale
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2284693/Gareth-Bale-Alex-McLeish-reveals-close-signing-Birmingham--EXCLUSIVE.html
http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/villa-boss-mcleish-i-tried-sign-barcelona-star-messi-rangers-2663851#.VOVtBUuBs6U
oh and in their prime he knew about and wanted to sign Owen & Bellamy
http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/09/21/1514935/alex-mcleish-birmingham-city-wanted-to-sign-michael-owen
http://www.espnfc.com/story/323656/mcleish-admits-i-wanted-bellamy-too
Mcleish's "I was going to sign..." transfer record is incredible. Particularly when you compare it to his actual one....
To be fair, he'd wanted N'Zogbia for a long time before he finally got his man. :o
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I bet loads 'tried to sign' Freddy Adu but you won't hear about that.
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Peoples secret in the know friends only ever appear to have bad things to say. It's a British phenomenon this desire to put people down.
except that he tells me lots of other stuff, not always bad, but nothing that is relevant to a discussion about Paddy Reilly so your point isn't really that valid
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Gregg Evans is tweeting that Reilly has gone now Steve Round is in situ.
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Aye.
Mail Article (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-exclusive-paddy-riley-11833331)
Looks like he's been Rounded on and fired.
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I don't blame Paddy for everything. And I am sure he played a part in this summers player recruitment. But it was never going to last was it? I think we've been very precise since Xia arrived and made changes as needed based on circumstance. It was always suggested that Riley would be gone as soon as the new Technical director arrived and so it has proved.
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"Another one bites the dust"
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I don't blame Paddy for everything. And I am sure he played a part in this summers player recruitment. But it was never going to last was it? I think we've been very precise since Xia arrived and made changes as needed based on circumstance. It was always suggested that Riley would be gone as soon as the new Technical director arrived and so it has proved.
I think the difference this season is that RDM/Clarke/Xia (and possibly Little) have worked out the team they wanted to develop and how much money it was going to cost. Last year we bought players without much thought as to how they would be integrated, even though some of them were good players.
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Another waster gone.
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I just thought he was another like Faulkner and Tom Fox to be overpromoted.
The guy started here as a stats guy and then morphed into a scout at Liverpool. And so we get him back and hand him the keys to the warchest....
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Paul Lambert felt that he couldn’t do his job properly with Riley on board.
Loved that bit, Lambert couldn't do his job full stop
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Paul Lambert felt that he couldn’t do his job properly with Riley on board.
Loved that bit, Lambert couldn't do his job full stop
Under the circumstances to work under, I think Lambert did alright, kept us in the PL. Not totally useless unlike Sherwood and Remi.
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Like a lot of people involved with data, they can generate figures and make them look pretty, but have no idea what they actually mean. I always figured Paddy Reilly was like that.
You can say Reilly wasn't to blame and no, he wasn't solely to blame for the relegation. However, when Xia bought the club he was told the squad was good enough to win promotion. If Lerner really thought that, he was probably led to that opinion by Reilly who, at best, was incompetent enough to think that was true, or at worst...well, I like to think the best of people. It might have been a tough job to find good quality players for peanuts, but plenty of squads (I'm looking at you, Leicester City) manage that, and Reilly got paid a lot for doing a terrible job.
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I wonder if it was him, Tom Fox or Lerner who decided to hire Tactics Tim. He might be the worst manager we've had...I can't believe I say this but probably even worse than TSM 1 or 2, god forbid.
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I wonder if it was him, Tom Fox or Lerner who decided to hire Tactics Tim. He might be the worst manager we've had...I can't believe I say this but probably even worse than TSM 1 or 2, god forbid.
Fox would be my guess. He was the one boasting about the "shortlist of one" after all.
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Fox seems to have been a big part of the problem- the new Lambert contract, Tim, Remi Garde, contracts with really low release clauses in them...
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The only positive from Sherwood was reaching the FA Cup Final again. But given that was one of the lowest experiences of my life, maybe it's not a positive at all.
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The only positive from Sherwood was reaching the FA Cup Final again. But given that was one of the lowest experiences of my life, maybe it's not a positive at all.
Sigh...it was awful wasn't it. A lot of people say at least we got there, and the semi was magnificent, but I'd rather have not got there than what we did that day.
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The only positive from Sherwood was reaching the FA Cup Final again. But given that was one of the lowest experiences of my life, maybe it's not a positive at all.
He kept us up that season, let's not forget that.
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The only positive from Sherwood was reaching the FA Cup Final again. But given that was one of the lowest experiences of my life, maybe it's not a positive at all.
He kept us up that season, let's not forget that.
Defending Agbonlahor and Sherwood in a brace of posts. Way to go.
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The only positive from Sherwood was reaching the FA Cup Final again. But given that was one of the lowest experiences of my life, maybe it's not a positive at all.
He kept us up that season, let's not forget that.
Defending Agbonlahor and Sherwood in a brace of posts. Way to go.
I was just gonna start an Eric Black tribute thread as well.
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The only positive from Sherwood was reaching the FA Cup Final again. But given that was one of the lowest experiences of my life, maybe it's not a positive at all.
He kept us up that season, let's not forget that.
Defending Agbonlahor and Sherwood in a brace of posts. Way to go.
I was just gonna start an Eric Black tribute thread as well.
To be fair, there were positives, four of them spring to mind.
1. The West Brom league win.
2. The West Brom FA Cup Quarter Final win.
3. The Semi Final Win Against Liverpool at 'The Anfield of the South' as quoted by the magnificent tactician Rodgers at the time.
4. Keeping us up.
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As for Eric Black, anyone questioning him hasn't had 25 years knowhow in football like he has.
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I wonder if it was him, Tom Fox or Lerner who decided to hire Tactics Tim. He might be the worst manager we've had...I can't believe I say this but probably even worse than TSM 1 or 2, god forbid.
Fox would be my guess. He was the one boasting about the "shortlist of one" after all.
I thought Graham Turner and Billy Mcneil were quite special. come to think of it martin o'neil could join this group as well.
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I wonder if it was him, Tom Fox or Lerner who decided to hire Tactics Tim. He might be the worst manager we've had...I can't believe I say this but probably even worse than TSM 1 or 2, god forbid.
Sherwood saved the club from relegation in 2015. That period from when he joined in February we played some entertaining attacking football, and got to the FA Cup final which nobody expected, so he deserves credit for that. What happened after was unfortunate. Losing Benteke, Delph, Vlaar and Cleverley didn't help coupled with player recruitment that he appeared to have little say in.
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I think the club should have replaced Sherwood straight after the FA Cup final, that showing, and the one at Southampton showed me he was out of his depth when it came to changing a game.
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The choice was Sherwood's. He could have buckled down to the post cup final trauma and worked to rebuild player and fan morale. Instead he chose to cover his own arse at every opportunity, using his mates in the media and in so doing gave free rein to the dressing room trouble makers while destabilising and resenting the new players coming to the club. Sherwood more than any other individual sowed the seeds of the humiliation that came after him.
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I wonder if it was him, Tom Fox or Lerner who decided to hire Tactics Tim. He might be the worst manager we've had...I can't believe I say this but probably even worse than TSM 1 or 2, god forbid.
Sherwood saved the club from relegation in 2015. That period from when he joined in February we played some entertaining attacking football, and got to the FA Cup final which nobody expected, so he deserves credit for that. What happened after was unfortunate. Losing Benteke, Delph, Vlaar and Cleverley didn't help coupled with player recruitment that he appeared to have little say in.
It's also unfortunate that when he did get a say, he said 'Richards', 'Lescott' and 'Gestede'.
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I think the club should have replaced Sherwood straight after the FA Cup final, that showing, and the one at Southampton showed me he was out of his depth when it came to changing a game.
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Things had really started to go south towards the end of the season, and the Southampton battering combined with the loss to Burnley showed Tactics at his head-scratching, clueless worst. And then the FA Cup final happened. I have to say though, that if anything, Garde was even worse.
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I think the club should have replaced Sherwood straight after the FA Cup final, that showing, and the one at Southampton showed me he was out of his depth when it came to changing a game.
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Things had really started to go south towards the end of the season, and the Southampton battering combined with the loss to Burnley showed Tactics at his head-scratching, clueless worst. And then the FA Cup final happened. I have to say though, that if anything, Garde was even worse.
I disagree, Garde in at the start of the summer and we would be a premier league club still. Sherwoods biggest failing was how badly wrong he got the rebuild, left us with a disjointed squad that was massively short of fitness and with Lescott, Richards and Gabby as the "leaders". Garde didn't fix the problems but he didn't create them either.
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Sherwood was too out of his depth to handle a major rebuilding of the first 11 so early in his managerial career...you've seen managers like Rodgers and AVB really struggle when key players like Bale and Suarez left so to expect a novice to replace Benteke was a bit optimistic.
His reign divides opinion but at least in his short time we had some highs and memorable matches...
Aside from a purple patch in second half of his first season the Lambert reign felt like being locked in a room with a Radiohead compilation being endlessly played...It went on and on and on.
We had plenty of embarrassing defeats under him and remember that run of games when we couldn't score...7 I think. Benteke was actually playing for us during that period aswell.
I couldn't care less about Paul Lambert tbh.
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Sherwood's time is bizarre on reflection. Some of the best memories and team displays (Liverpool, Everton, Sunderland, Baggies) in the past 5 years coupled with some of the very worst (Burnley, almost everything in the 2015/16 season). Some really good tactical decisions and blunders (Spurs away comes to mind) and some of the very worst (Leicester, Southampton). Some really good signings (Ayew, Amavi), and some of the worst (Richards, Lescott). What a disastrously odd time it was.
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The only positive from Sherwood was reaching the FA Cup Final again. But given that was one of the lowest experiences of my life, maybe it's not a positive at all.
Sigh...it was awful wasn't it. A lot of people say at least we got there, and the semi was magnificent, but I'd rather have not got there than what we did that day.
Fortunately I got pissed enough beforehand that I was anaethetised to the pain of the game and have since pretended it didn't happen (a bit like our 2000 FAC final experience as well).
I share the prevailing opinion on here that Dim Tim was awful, although Lamberk's Villa was like a slow death by a 1000 cuts.
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The only positive from Sherwood was reaching the FA Cup Final again. But given that was one of the lowest experiences of my life, maybe it's not a positive at all.
Sigh...it was awful wasn't it. A lot of people say at least we got there, and the semi was magnificent, but I'd rather have not got there than what we did that day.
Fortunately I got pissed enough beforehand that I was anaethetised to the pain of the game and have since pretended it didn't happen (a bit like our 2000 FAC final experience as well).
I share the prevailing opinion on here that Dim Tim was awful, although Lamberk's Villa was like a slow death by a 1000 cuts.
Mr E were you the chap who I spent a drunken second-half leaning against as we seem to have shared the same experience? ;-)
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The only positive from Sherwood was reaching the FA Cup Final again. But given that was one of the lowest experiences of my life, maybe it's not a positive at all.
Sigh...it was awful wasn't it. A lot of people say at least we got there, and the semi was magnificent, but I'd rather have not got there than what we did that day.
Fortunately I got pissed enough beforehand that I was anaethetised to the pain of the game and have since pretended it didn't happen (a bit like our 2000 FAC final experience as well).
I share the prevailing opinion on here that Dim Tim was awful, although Lamberk's Villa was like a slow death by a 1000 cuts.
Mr E were you the chap who I spent a drunken second-half leaning against as we seem to have shared the same experience? ;-)
Mr E- certainly the pre match festivities warranted a better performance on the pitch than the pile of slop that was served up. When I think that our particular group had you from Yorkshire, your brother from the USA, Woody from Thailand and lightweight me who had travelled in from Bedfordshire plus the guy who we met who had flown in from Malaysia, all to witness such a non performance.I do think that the amount of alcohol drunk was a reflection of the nerves and trepidation we all had- I think we all knew in our hearts we were going to get a bit of a pasting.I remember you saying that you thought we had a chance but your tone of voice lacked commitment, either that or you were beginning to slur somewhat.
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Sorry if moving off topic, thoughts of being pissed at cup finals, 1st game against Everton in LCF, I fell on the terraces just after kick off and woke up to a half empty stadium with every one going home. Best game I have ever missed.
Two games later at Old Trafford, one of my most treasured memories.
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Some research suggest that this guy signed Luna and Holman and most of the others under Lambert with the exception of Benteke and Vlaar. The dissent between Reilly and the current Manager escalated after Lambert lost his job. After that Reilly had to clear his signings with Fox instead of the Manager (Sherwood). Sherwood supposedly had nothing to do with the wasting of funds during the 2015 summer transfers. The breakdown between the Manager and Recruitment staff (specifically Reilly) culminated during the Transferwindow winter 15/16 as Reilly summarily rejected every target Remi Garde requested without even approaching or scouting them.
Its also suggested (several sources, papers and blogs) that Reilly is the responsible for terms and conditions in the players contracts that have caused Villa to seemingly waste money and talent in numerous transferwindows during his reign. The latest example is Gana who was signed by Reilly for £9M and then handed a contract with a release clause of £7M. by the same man. The huge running cost of contracts, with conditions that make unwanted players reluctant to leave or failing to incite performances, (N'Zogbia, Lescott, Richards and Gabby are just a few listed) are also negotiated by PR.
Supposedly PR was pleading innocence , ready to swear allegiance to the new Bosses and renouncing his old cohorts but thankfully word had gotten around ahead of time and this pound of rotten flesh was shredded.
If even a fraction of all this is true, and it does provide some clue into how the unimaginable heartbreaking destruction of our beloved Villa came about....then this guy deserves a fair share of the blame.
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The value of the clause in Gueye's contract was likely the same as we paid for him, any shortfall explained by the change in the exchange rate in the year between buying and selling him (exacerbated by Brexit) plus the fact we were relegated also likely triggered the clause - his wages take a hit but so too does the fee we can charge for him. In other words I don't think there was anything too dumb about it from our side.
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I would imagine a release clause amount is like a bargaining chip in contract negotiations. With regard to the most (in)famous one (delph's), that contract probably wouldn't have been signed if the club had not inserted that ridiculously low release clause. I'm guessing the same is true for Gana. The low release clause gives him an easy escape route and also the chance to negotiate higher wages at his next club.
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Sorry if moving off topic, thoughts of being pissed at cup finals, 1st game against Everton in LCF, I fell on the terraces just after kick off and woke up to a half empty stadium with every one going home. Best game I have ever missed.
Two games later at Old Trafford, one of my most treasured memories.
steamer, I was sober mate and I can inform you now, several years after the event, you didn't miss much. Two of the best sides in the league "froze" on the day and it was like watching paint dry...uneventful!
So, now you know.
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The value of the clause in Gueye's contract was likely the same as we paid for him, any shortfall explained by the change in the exchange rate in the year between buying and selling him (exacerbated by Brexit) plus the fact we were relegated also likely triggered the clause - his wages take a hit but so too does the fee we can charge for him. In other words I don't think there was anything too dumb about it from our side.
And accounting depreciation: in the books we will not have 'lost' anything on him.
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And while we're picking the post apart, given that Riley was employed by Liverpool when we signed Luna I'd it's unlikely he would have had much to do with it.
As for "dissent between Riley and the current manager which escalated after Lambert lost his job". This is just a very confusing sentence.
And "Sherwood supposedly had nothing to do with the wasting of funds...", I think it is safe to say that this is revisionism and buck-passing of the highest order.
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"Sherwood supposedly had nothing to do with the wasting of funds...", I think it is safe to say that this is revisionism and buck-passing of the highest order.
Exactly, it's been said on here before by people that Sherwood wanted Gestede (who wasn't anywhere near good enough for the Prem), Richards and Lescott. That's a lot of resources wasted right there.
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The fact that Sherwood wanted his targets and Riley had his own shows a complete lack of cohesion at the club and no overarching plan as to how the club should have been structured. You really have to hang that on Lerner's and Fox's shoulders before you get to Lambert/Sherwood/Riley.
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Come back Paddy Reilly to Ballyjamesduff.
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I think while Sherwood can be criticised for Lescott Richards etc., at least they were players who had some form so yeah they didn't turn out well but at least they had at some point played to a decent standard before we brought them. Reilly seemed to spend millions on buying no-marks who remained no-marks and left no-marks. I don't think we've ever had one guy responsible for bringing so much arse to the club in such a short time and thats saying something with the likes of Lambert and TSM.
Anyway that's if the stories about who bought who are accurate, and let face it, if it is true, it was a horrendous way to run a club's transfers. (Thank you again Mr. Lerner)