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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on February 10, 2015, 09:15:38 PM
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Fire away.
Lambert out NOW. Relegation beckons.
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If he stays, we are down. Simple. As it is its a tall ask now.
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Goodbye Mr chips
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DOOMED
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If there is a Villa fan who can defend this joker is will need a straight jacket please sack this man or this club will die.
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Pretty disappointed about players as much as manager. We have some very good players that appear to have no ideas, no passion, no desire. Long way back from here. Be very "impressed" if we can get out of this sh@t storm dead cert relegation spiral
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It's not the defeat, it's the manner of it. Hull were as fucking shit as I expected and yet with 82 mins gone we haven't looked like scoring. We haven't made their keeper work even once. We were woeful once we got to the final third. Another defeat. Another zero goals (so far).
I really feel for the poor feckers who traveled and paid to watch this shit.
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If there is a Villa fan who can defend this joker is will need a straight jacket please sack this man or this club will die.
It won't.
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A special mention to the players, too. You're fucking awful. All of you. All this without Cleverley. Leaving him out improved the team, didn't it? I was overjoyed to see him out, but in reality, we were as bad, if not worse.
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It's not the defeat, it's the manner of it. Hull were as fucking shit as I expected and yet with 82 mins gone we haven't looked like scoring. We haven't made their keeper work even once. We were woeful once we got to the final third. Another defeat. Another zero goals (so far).
I really feel for the poor feckers who traveled and paid to watch this shit.
Pretty much every defeat this season I can think of at least one positive, however small.
I can't think of anything from tonight. It's been utterly horrendous.
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I remember feeling utterly depressed in the late 60s about the state Villa were in. Never dreamed I'd ever feel the same way again. Do what we did then, huge protests, refuse to attend games , turned our backs on the pitchetc, but doSOMETHING!
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Do the honourable thing and resign. Worst Villa manager EVER!
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It's not the defeat, it's the manner of it. Hull were as fucking shit as I expected and yet with 82 mins gone we haven't looked like scoring. We haven't made their keeper work even once. We were woeful once we got to the final third. Another defeat. Another zero goals (so far).
I really feel for the poor feckers who traveled and paid to watch this shit.
Pretty much every defeat this season I can think of at least one positive, however small.
I can't think of anything from tonight. It's been utterly horrendous.
Agreed. We have plumbed the depths of ineptitude this evening.
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Snapped. We can't get new players now (thanks Randy you sure messed up January) but we can change managers. Time to go Lambert. We have to change. We have to.
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Easiest game Hull will have all season! Disgusting !
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Do the honourable thing and resign. Worst Villa manager EVER!
Agreed. I despise the twat. And the moron running the club. This has been coming for ages.
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Shocking again, Lambert and Lerner GO NOW.
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I remember feeling utterly depressed in the late 60s about the state Villa were in. Never dreamed I'd ever feel the same way again. Do what we did then, huge protests, refuse to attend games , turned our backs on the pitchetc, but doSOMETHING!
The fans don't matter. Protests don't matter.
Money should matter though - and the threat of loss of all that TV money is our best hope of getting rid of Lambert now.
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Randy is on the beach.
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An utter fucking shambles.
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At least it is clear cut. Sack Lambert or go down.
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There's no way back from this is there?
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I'm sorry, but what possible rationale can there be to keep him now? He's shown against all levels of opposition that he can't do it. That was utterly disgraceful. I'm not absolving the players either, they were a complete embarrassment.
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I yearn for the days when we used to have a good half and a bad half under Lambert. Now we are lucky to have a good 10 minutes.
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Who will rid us of this Teflon Twit?
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HAVE to go Lambert. Please walk.
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oh my fucking God. I just saw the result. I am blown away by this. It's never going to change while he is here is it?
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Thats got to be it now!!!!!
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That was quite amazingly bad. And he won't get sacked, he won't get sacked for the most astonishingly shit record imaginable. I can't believe the state of denial, the lack of balls to make a decision, the sheer dereliction of duty on display from the chairman here. It's unbelievable.
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The (alarm) bells are ringing (loudly) for the claret and blue.
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Hull & QPR go above us. We're in the bottom 3 and I think that's where we'll stay. A very sad day for Aston Villa. Well done Lerner. Well done Lambert
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Out out out.
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Randy, Tom and Paul.... go fuck yourselves. You are a disgrace to the name Aston Villa.
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If there is a Villa fan who can defend this joker is will need a straight jacket please sack this man or this club will die.
It won't.
This and this is why we are utterly screwed. The only possible explanation will come on the 19th when Fox hopefully explains this utter madness at the Villa Trust AGM.
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This is when that mumbling twat should be out on the pitch consoling or whatever managers do to players when they've lost an important game.
But no...straight down the tunnel you gormless faced twat. Fuck off.
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Worse, and worse, and worse, and worse.
Clueless, gutless, total shambles, pathetic.
Lambert is the worst manager we have had now surely. Ever??
How on earth does he not just go to the board, cut a deal and fuck off. He is killing his career, killing our club, and making us a genuinely awful side.
The worst thing of it, we have the players to survive easily.
After tonight, no chance.
Good bye premier league.
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I find it inconceivable that any other football club would stick with their manager in a situation like this, absolutely inconceivable.
But the utter, utter ****** running us are so clueless, this bozo is going absolutely nowhere.
We are running out of games and getting worse.
11 days until our next league game.
This is our LAST chance to change something.
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Lambert: incompetent, out of his depth, not very good.
Lerner: Does not give a shit, unaware of what's going on.
Lerner is the biggest fucking eejit of the lot, but something's got to change soon.
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It was utter utter shit. 94 fucking minutes of it. Lambert is useless but it's Lerner who has brought this club to its knees.
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We are a steaming, stinking, claret and blue turd of a team.
Naturally, Lambert should go, but that won't help us any more. It's way past too late to save us this time.
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What else is there to say that hasn't been said a million times before.
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People say words like 'hate' and 'despise' are too strong. Not for me. There are a handful of things in this life I truly care about, and I don't expect them to be fucked over. I hate the bloke. I hate the owner. I despise what these charlatans have made Aston Villa. Truly the most horrific period I've known. I don't mind admitting I've had a couple of tears in my eyes tonight, just with the hopelessness of it all.
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Just what does he have to do to be fired? It genuinely gets worse every week and we are going down make no mistake about it.
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We are in deep, deep shit. Lambert has no answers. The players have clearly lost faith and he needs to go now, because he is most definitely part of the problem and not the solution.
If he goes this week and someone else comes in, I think we can get out of it, though. A fresh face in the dugout would give them all a bit more confidence and I think we'd see a bounce. And even a new manager of modest talent would presumably have some sort of game plan. Whatever he tried to do, couldn't possibly produce less effective football than we've been watching for the last six months.
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I don't see how Randy will keep him now. I expect him gone next 24 hours.
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I use to think 'if they sack him who the hell will they bring in'. Now I don't give a shit who they bring in, Tim Sherwood or Steve Sherwood for all I care. The team management is rotten to the core. Its got to stop before it is too late.
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I find it inconceivable that any other football club would stick with their manager in a situation like this, absolutely inconceivable.
But the utter, utter c***s running us are so clueless, this bozo is going absolutely nowhere.
We are running out of games and getting worse.
11 days until our next league game.
This is our LAST chance to change something.
I expect it will be at least 2 months of expressions of interest, 1st, 2nd and 3rd interviews before they even make a decision to appoint someone. Randy might have to come to the UK as well. Hasn't his passport ran out?
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Was Lambo crying after their second goal? The camera stayed on him for quite a while, and he certainly seemed to have more than just a glisten in his eye.
I think he might walk.
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I now rue the day that yank moron came anywhere near our club. He certainly fooled me, what a bloody mug I was
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Shambolic, I'm quite literally speechless. Still, at least we've got a new commercial director, who can start planning for our £50K a year shirt sponsorship deal in the Championship.
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That was just appalling. If Lerner/Fox think this is good enough then they are absolutely deluded. He needs to be gone asap as we are as good as down if he stays. I was going to go next Sunday but am now having second thoughts.
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If he isn't sacked after this he will never be sacked.
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That was terrible. You can see the frustration of the players in the way they are giving away numerous free kicks and making poor decisions. The only way out of this is with a change of manager. The whole thing needs a shake up and some fresh input. Without that, I can't see us pulling out of this
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This is the worst we've been in the post MON years, by far.
What scares me is we're getting worse. It doesn't make any fucking difference having more of the ball than we used to do if we are going to be utterly static and bereft of ideas up front.
Lambert has got to go, he is the main culprit, but I look at the likes of Gabby and I wonder, he's made a good living out of being a local hero, but he shows zero heart or drive, absolutely nothing.
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If he isn't sacked after this he will never be sacked.
and we all know he won't be sadly. His incompetence is only matched by the owner, we truly have utter morons running the club.
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I can't believe this mumbling clueless freak is still in a job. Surely he's got to go now? Surely even he can't have enough neck left to try to spin this performance against a side that have been woeful for months. Yet I guess he will point to the possession and say all we need is the finishing touch. Again. And by the time he finds it, if he ever does, it will be too late. I mean if you can't score against hull, Leicester, Sunderland etc. who are you going to score against? It's beyond a joke now.
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Enough is enough, there is no purpose in keeping this imbecile in position any longer.
Mr Lerner, if you care anything about our club or your money, remove this man NOW
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I never, ever thought it until this evening. But from 21:25 on the 10th February 2015, Villa will be relegated.
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This is the worst we've been in the post MON years, by far.
What scares me is we're getting worse. It doesn't make any fucking difference having more of the ball than we used to do if we are going to be utterly static and bereft of ideas up front.
Lambert has got to go, he is the main culprit, but I look at the likes of Gabby and I wonder, he's made a good living out of being a local hero, but he shows zero heart or drive, absolutely nothing.
That bit towards the end where Benteke nodded it back across the goal. Joe Cole made more of an effort to get to the ball than Gabby.
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If he isn't sacked after this he will never be sacked.
He will be sacked when we are bottom half in the Championship
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If Lambert is still in charge when we run out for our next league game it will simply prove we are "run" by the most incompetent owner and senior management team it is possible to assemble.
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Was Lambo crying after their second goal? The camera stayed on him for quite a while, and he certainly seemed to have more than just a glisten in his eye.
I think he might walk.
Don't tease us like this. Lambert walking would be a dream come true at the moment but the parasite has brown nosed his way in to the affections of useless Lerner and will not go unless booted with a golden handshake.
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Say they did sack Lambert it would be about one month too late.
We are..effectively...down.
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The poorer the opposition, the worse we play. We do not know how to take the initiative in a game.
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For Hull 2015 see Charlton 1987. I don't say this lightly but Lambert is as bad, if not worse than, as McNeil.
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Would you take Mcliesh back for last few games?
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I now rue the day that yank moron came anywhere near our club. He certainly fooled me, what a bloody mug I was
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You, me and 40k others
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The stats show us with 62% possession, 11 shots to their 10, 4 equal on target, 7 corners to Hull's 3 and we were well beaten. Stats mean f*ck all
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This is like Apocalypse Now. Lerner is Marlon Brando's Colonel Kurz: adrift somewhere up-river, mad, rambling, detached from reality, dangerous. Lambert is Dennis Hopper's photojournalist: incoherent, deluded, unhinged. The horror, the horror.
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Said on the match thread, I can't see any way they can't act now. That was a game against a direct rival and it took until the last few minutes to have anything remotely like a chance on goal. We are shipping goals too after a solid start to the season.
Certain relegation if he remains.
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special praise should be offered to Tom Fox as well though.
he may only have been here 5 mins, but he has managed to bury his head so far up his own arse its fucking magical.
'False narrative?'
'Baying for blood?'
You are just as bad as the other 2 tossers and can fuck right off as well.
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Lambert should be honest with himself and see that this job is beyond him. Lerner needs to see that this job is beyond Lambert. He is not going to turn things around. He has been on the cusp of turning things around for two seasons. It's not going to happen.
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The stats show us with 62% possession, 11 shots to their 10, 4 equal on target, 7 corners to Hull's 3 and we were well beaten. Stats mean f*ck all
The mumbling one will quote this in his pre match
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I can't wait for the post match interview.
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This confirms Lambert will not keep us up this time around. I can't see what Lerner is achieving by not sacking him. He clearly should have gone ages back and it may be too late for a new man to do enough to save us but he has just got to go. Each week I feel increasingly angry and embarrassed.
I do not want to hear a load of 'spin' in the morning, I just want to hear he has gone.
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This is the worst we've been in the post MON years, by far.
What scares me is we're getting worse. It doesn't make any fucking difference having more of the ball than we used to do if we are going to be utterly static and bereft of ideas up front.
Lambert has got to go, he is the main culprit, but I look at the likes of Gabby and I wonder, he's made a good living out of being a local hero, but he shows zero heart or drive, absolutely nothing.
But apparently has all the characteristics of a leader on the field according to the manager and was rewarded again for doing barely anything for three years previously in September.
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I find it inconceivable that any other football club would stick with their manager in a situation like this, absolutely inconceivable.
But the utter, utter c***s running us are so clueless, this bozo is going absolutely nowhere.
We are running out of games and getting worse.
11 days until our next league game.
This is our LAST chance to change something.
Agree, Lambert must go. But where do we go from there? I have no faith whatsoever in the chairman to get someone in asap. For fucks sake, we haven't even employed an assistant manager since Keane left. The manager's time is up, he's had his chance, however our owner has displayed complete negligence for such a long time now that I don't really think there's a way out for us.
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AAAAGGGHHHH!! When's it going to end???
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Can't help thinking cup game this weekend is coming at the wrong time. Say he wins that one its another reprieve a'la Blackpool and bournemouth
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Lambert should be honest with himself and see that this job is beyond him. Lerner needs to see that this job is beyond Lambert. He is not going to turn things around. He has been on the cusp of turning things around for two seasons. It's not going to happen.
He needs to realise he's ruining his career as well.
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If we do go down, I can't see us coming back for a long, long time. We need to do something now because if we go down having not done utmost to register our disapproval at this I think we'll regret it. I certainly will.
I think Lerner probably still cares about Villa but he lacks that ruthless edge to do the right thing. He should and could have done the right thing at many points over the last three years but this is the worst of all.
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If Lambert doesn't resign tonight there should be a mass demonstration on Saturday i have never seen a situation where a club as big as Villa have just given up and thats what we did tonight. Lambert looked shocking before the game frightened in fact he doesn't know what to do, we are seeing very good players being ruined you can see the confidence being drained out of them. Even Gil tonight started brightly but there was no movement around him. When Benteke came on Gabby was taking his space instead of spreading to make space, Lambert has turned us into a joke.
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Changing the manager won't make a blind bit of difference here. The malaise is too deep set.
Sack him tomorrow. Out of spite. Justifiable spite. He's had ample chances to turn this round. He's just not up to it.
Give Sid the caretaker role until the end of the season. Clear instructions that there will be a new man in come June.
Fox get on the phone from 8am tomorrow sounding out replacements. Be brave. They won't be needing premiership experience where we're going.
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This is the angriest I've ever been when it comes to football (excluding stuff about the likes of hillsborough), I'm even having trouble putting into words everything that annoys me about the club.
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That was terrible. You can see the frustration of the players in the way they are giving away numerous free kicks and making poor decisions. The only way out of this is with a change of manager. The whole thing needs a shake up and some fresh input. Without that, I can't see us pulling out of this
They also need a firework up the jacksie because the effort and intensity from some of them is a disgrace. There is a culture of acceptance at the club, from being beaten on the pitch, not scoring goals, not challenging for trophies, not challenging anyone in the top 8.
A new man has just got to come in and shake things up, a born winner, someone who hates losing, because these fuckers playing for us just take beating after beating with no response, like poor down trodden little boys.
Don't ask me where we are going to find such a man but we need a winner with a winners mentality and some of these players need a long hard bollocking of the highest order.
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Was Lambo crying after their second goal? The camera stayed on him for quite a while, and he certainly seemed to have more than just a glisten in his eye.
I think he might walk.
Don't tease us like this. Lambert walking would be a dream come true at the moment but the parasite has brown nosed his way in to the affections of useless Lerner and will not go unless booted with a golden handshake.
I'm an eternal optimist, plus I'm sure he was crying. I would cry if I was him, he is completely bereft of any idea about how to sort this out.
Oh well, we'll see.
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special praise should be offered to Tom Fox as well though.
he may only have been here 5 mins, but he has managed to bury his head so far up his own arse its fucking magical.
'False narrative?'
'Baying for blood?'
You are just as bad as the other 2 tossers and can fuck right off as well.
It's just a job to him, why would he care? All that "false narrative" bollocks was just pure US corporate bullshit speak. He might as well be in charge of a ballbearing factory for all the emotional attachment he'll have for the job.
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AAAAGGGHHHH!! When's it going to end???
Part one of the disintegration of Aston Villa ends in May.
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Yep that's it, if he doesn't get sacked after that then I don't know what to tell you. We look absolutely shot.
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Changing the manager won't make a blind bit of difference here. The malaise is too deep set.
Sack him tomorrow. Out of spite. Justifiable spite. He's had ample chances to turn this round. He's just not up to it.
Give Sid the caretaker role until the end of the season. Clear instructions that there will be a new man in come June.
Fox get on the phone from 8am tomorrow sounding out replacements. Be brave. They won't be needing premiership experience where we're going.
Sid would be no better.
I don't think he is a long term appointment, but you need someone with the arrogance and shit or bust attitude of Sherwood to galvanise the whole thing.
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I can't wait for the post match interview.
You'll have heard it all before.
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The only one who looked liked he cared tonight was Ciaran. Gil did at the start but faded badly.
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Has to go now...things are deteriorating badly. Flick the coin, flick the coin, flick the coin!
Who in though? Arry???????
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Lambert should be honest with himself and see that this job is beyond him. Lerner needs to see that this job is beyond Lambert. He is not going to turn things around. He has been on the cusp of turning things around for two seasons. It's not going to happen.
'On the cusp' suggests he is close to turning it around.
Personally,I think he's a million miles away and going further.
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Thats now 33 points from last 38 games. This is a very slow and painful death.
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God almighty, where do you even start with that?
Started off with lots of the ball, but never looked threatening. No doubt a freakish goal, but I never thought he'd get back into the game.
Relegation looks inevitable now. The fight has gone.
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Maybe being in the bottom three will finally energise Fox that we're going to be relegated from all the megabucks if they don't kick Lambert out now. Well I can dream
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No manager would walk out on that pay check and a cup run in the quarters.
He's not going anywhere, haven't we known this?
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I will say it now before his interview FUCK OFF LAMBERT
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That was so Fucking terrible, I'm just numb. I just don't know what to say anymore #lambertout
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An owner who doesn't care, a manager who hasn't a clue and appears not to really care and leading the team tonight a player who shouldn't be anywhere near the first team but will playing at his level next season in the Championship.
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Randy is behind the times. We all know how in awe of Ferguson he was, and he's clearly convinced that success comes by appointing your manager, giving him whatever he needs within reason and then sticking with him through thick and thin. The likes of Southampton and Swansea have demonstrated that's simply not true. The crucial thing is to have an ethos at the club, a commitment to a particular style, and then to appoint people who fit in with that mindset. Changing them occasionally is not a problem, provided they all subscribe to the project, and in fact it can even be beneficial as you get an injection of new energy and ideas, and a breath of fresh air.
Like the generals, Lerner is fighting the last war.
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can someone do their best to cc the interview, can't get in front of a tv
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On the game itself, fuck it was awful. Best league in the world....yeah right
Aside from the necessary change at management level, not sure where we go from here on the pitch. Clark was the only one to emerge with any credit.
Benteke, Vlaar and Sanchez will come back in. Might aswell bring Richardson back at wing back, I genuinely never want to see Cissokho in a Villa shirt again, the same could be said for a few of them mind you. But for a big guy he is an utter coward on the pitch, gives away mindless freekicks one of which they score from and not even pub league standard with the ball.
If Benteke had scored the one at the end might have given him a bit of confidence, he was ok when he came on in fairness. Gabby, Sinclair, Weimann all non entities tonight, Gil was hopeless in the second half too. Westwood offers nothing in these kind of games. Delph improved in the second half playing some decent balls to Benteke but still nowhere near what we need from him. Slow, dull, predictable, lateral passing. The likes of Bacuna and Grealish must be seething not to be getting a look in.
The results, style of play, body language of players all are screaming for a new voice in charge. It simply has to happen after tonight.
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Bloody hell that made me jump.
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Changing the manager won't make a blind bit of difference here. The malaise is too deep set.
Sack him tomorrow. Out of spite. Justifiable spite. He's had ample chances to turn this round. He's just not up to it.
Give Sid the caretaker role until the end of the season. Clear instructions that there will be a new man in come June.
Fox get on the phone from 8am tomorrow sounding out replacements. Be brave. They won't be needing premiership experience where we're going.
Sid would be no better.
I don't think he is a long term appointment, but you need someone with the arrogance and shit or bust attitude of Sherwood to galvanise the whole thing.
Please don't get Sid involved in this mammoth fuck up. He's not got the personality to turn around this ship and when we do go down it would be a slight stain on his record. He's done his time here and earned his reputation let's not tarnish it by putting him in charge of something he couldn't handle ala Shearer with the blind hope one of us can turn it around.
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Must get rid of this toss-pot now so that he can join the list of great Scottish managers who have failed us.........Docherty, McNeill, McLeish and Lambert!
COME ON LERNER - ACT TONIGHT AND SACK HIM - ADMIT TO ALL THAT LAMBERT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN GIVEN A NEW CONTRACT!!!!!
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I can't wait for the post match interview.
We were excellent.
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Not got much to say about the game as we all watched.
One thing I always said about Lambert was that when he was under pressure he knew how to scrape a result from somewhere, that's now gone and I wouldn't go into any of the remaining games expecting anything but defeats with him at the helm.
I still don't expect him to go but he should do for his health, he looked incredibly stressed on the bench after the second and tears didn't look too far away.
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[quoteQuote from: FranzBiberkopf on Today at 09:49:46 PM
Changing the manager won't make a blind bit of difference here. The malaise is too deep set.
Sack him tomorrow. Out of spite. Justifiable spite. He's had ample chances to turn this round. He's just not up to it.
Give Sid the caretaker role until the end of the season. Clear instructions that there will be a new man in come June.
Fox get on the phone from 8am tomorrow sounding out replacements. Be brave. They won't be needing premiership experience where we're going.
Sid would be no better.
I don't think he is a long term appointment, but you need someone with the arrogance and shit or bust attitude of Sherwood to galvanise the whole thing.][/quote]
Yes, I know Sid isn't the answer. The season has gone. I've written it off. The players are not good enough to get us out of this whomever is in charge.
The midfield doesn't do enough to get us out of it. Gil, decent in patches, but can't expect him to carry a team alone.
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Even Balotelli has scored as many league goals as us this year.
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Shambolic and absolutely atrocious.
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Even if he goes it's looking like a tall order to turn it round. A month too late as has been said by others.
just sums it up with qpr leapfrogging us.
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Changing the manager won't make a blind bit of difference here. The malaise is too deep set.
Sack him tomorrow. Out of spite. Justifiable spite. He's had ample chances to turn this round. He's just not up to it.
Give Sid the caretaker role until the end of the season. Clear instructions that there will be a new man in come June.
Fox get on the phone from 8am tomorrow sounding out replacements. Be brave. They won't be needing premiership experience where we're going.
Sid would be no better.
I don't think he is a long term appointment, but you need someone with the arrogance and shit or bust attitude of Sherwood to galvanise the whole thing.
Please don't get Sid involved in this mammoth fuck up. He's not got the personality to turn around this ship and when we do go down it would be a slight stain on his record. He's done his time here and earned his reputation let's not tarnish it by putting him in charge of something he couldn't handle ala Shearer with the blind hope one of us can turn it around.
Agreed. He too nice, and I mean that genuinely.
Hate to say it but Sherwood would do. Appears to have missed out on QPR
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Maybe being in the bottom three will finally energise Fox that we're going to be relegated from all the megabucks if they don't kick Lambert out now. Well I can dream
I genuinely think they will. I thought for a while Hull might be Lerners breaking point. We will see but I think Lambert will no longer be Villa manager this time next week.
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Yellow ticker when I wake up tomorrow....Lambert gone.
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Just when I start thinking 'well, at least it can't get any worse' our inept manager somehow surpasses himself again. At least he has a talent for something.
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Just take anyone with decent credentials who is willing to come in till the end of the season, we'd have a better chance straight away, because it is blatantly obvious where this is going if we don't make a change.
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I don't see how Randy will keep him now. I expect him gone next 24 hours.
Afraid I think you'll be disappointed. Why should this latest shambles be any different to the numerous others that have gone before during the reign of this clown. Lerner/Fox are in denial and appear to believe it will all come good in the end when every indication is that will not happen.
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Keep Lambert - we probably go down
Sack Lambert - we probably stay up.
So simple even Lerner should understand it.
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All of this player unrest and lack of commitment started with Lambert being given his new contract. It totally demoralized them. Over the years I have seen some screw ups at Villa Park but the new four year contract for Lambert was the biggest by a country mile. Utterly inexcusable and moreover capable of being made even more of a disaster by keeping him in the Championship. It is the stuff of nightmares.
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Maybe being in the bottom three will finally energise Fox that we're going to be relegated from all the megabucks if they don't kick Lambert out now. Well I can dream
I genuinely think they will. I thought for a while Hull might be Lerners breaking point. We will see but I think Lambert will no longer be Villa manager this time next week.
Have you changed sides?
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He should have gone after Bradford; he should have gone after Sheffield; he should have gone after Millwall; he should have gone after Leyton Orient; he should have gone after setting the record for the worst home form in our entire history; he should have gone after scoring a mere 11 goals in 22 games; he should at the very latest have gone after failing to score against Sunderland, Palace & Leicester over Christmas/New Year; he should have gone when replacements would have had time to do something to arrest the slide. He didn't go then and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he doesn't go now. Lerner will see him as the man to get us back up (having seen the scintillating performances against Blackpool and Bournemouth reserves).
All this on the eve of the new TV deal. It's beyond embarrassing. It's humiliating. Some people (rightly) complained about the prospect of Friday night games in the prem as part of the new deal. The reality now is Huddersfield on a Friday night. Well done Lambert. And well done Lerner for delivering on your promise of getting the club to where it rightly belongs. Both of you just get the fuck out of our club
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I'd sooner have Harry Redknapp in until the end of the season than this pea-brained fool.
I have a finger-bowl full of Domestos by my keyboard for times like these.
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I've a horrible feeling, Lambert will survive to the next game, scrape a lucky win against Leicester, and then we get more of the same shit against Stoke.
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Keep Lambert - we probably go down
Sack Lambert - we probably stay up.
So simple even Lerner should understand it.
Sadly, Lerner just gave him a four year contract.
Truly, the man is an absolute idiot. He honestly is. I know that sounds like personal abuse or like I'm being unfair, but he absolutely is an idiot. He's totally fucked up large sport organisations on both sides of the Atlantic now.
Staggering.
Still, at least we've got the good news about the new chief commercial officer.
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Untenable surely...walk or sacked makes no odds. I'm convinced that this squad of players is no-where near relegation material, but they way they are set up to play is just awful...
LDLDDLLLLL goals scored 2. What other club would put up with that...anyone, just anyone will do just to lift the players...
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We've gone. No point rushing in a Sherwood or a Curbishley or some other no hoper and giving them a 2-3 year contract in desperation. They won't save us.
Take our medicine. It's due.
Get the RIGHT man in, in the summer.
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Its the lack of pattern, the lack of style, the lack of understanding of the game.Gabby sums up Villa under PL.Doesn't know when to run, where to run, where he should be, or how to create anything.
That knock down from CB summed up Gabby, no idea where he should have been, no urgency, no idea...shite.
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Should have sacked the twat years ago
We are doomed!
Bollox
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I get the manager out talk, I don't want him here but lets lament some blame at the players feet. Too many of them don't even look like footballers
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Maybe being in the bottom three will finally energise Fox that we're going to be relegated from all the megabucks if they don't kick Lambert out now. Well I can dream
I genuinely think they will. I thought for a while Hull might be Lerners breaking point. We will see but I think Lambert will no longer be Villa manager this time next week.
Have you changed sides?
Yes. After Arsenal actually. Today just reinforced that. I was wrong thinking he had it in him. Lambert cannot turn it around. Its over and he needs to go.
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It's never too late to make the right decision
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Keep Lambert - we probably go down
Sack Lambert - we probably stay up.
So simple even Lerner should understand it.
I'm not convinced it can be turned around by anyone we'd be likely to get now. However, they obviously can't be worse than Lambert, as literally nothing would be, so the first part of the question is answered very easily.
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Still, at least we've got the good news about the new chief commercial officer.
I was on such a high when the news broke but the result tonight has taken the gloss off the news.
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I get the manager out talk, I don't want him here but lets lament some blame at the players feet. Too many of them don't even look like footballers
Why though? It's a manager's job to get the best out of them. It's a manager's job to have some vague idea of what formation they'd be suited to. It's a manager's job to motivate them and it's a manager's job to give them a bollocking when they consistently fail to perform.
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At least with McLeish we knew what his plan was and so did the players. It was just a relentlessly negative plan.
With Lambert no-one knows what the plan, assuming there is one. He literally looks like he doesn't know what's going on.
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Feeling Sick!
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I've a horrible feeling, Lambert will survive to the next game, scrape a lucky win against Leicester, and then we get more of the same shit against Stoke.
Guaranteed. This is our reality.
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Its the lack of pattern, the lack of style, the lack of understanding of the game.Gabby sums up Villa under PL.Doesn't know when to run, where to run, where he should be, or how to create anything.
That knock down from CB summed up Gabby, no idea where he should have been, no urgency, no idea...shite.
I know what you're saying but you don't need a manager to be able to do those things, he's a footballer, he should know where and when to make runs, how to pass to his team mate who's standing 5 ft in front of him and put a small ball in a large net, it's been his bloody job for 12 odd years.
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He should have gone after Bradford; he should have gone after Sheffield; he should have gone after Millwall; he should have gone after Leyton Orient; he should have gone after setting the record for the worst home form in our entire history; he should have gone after scoring a mere 11 goals in 22 games; he should at the very latest have gone after failing to score against Sunderland, Palace & Leicester over Christmas/New Year; he should have gone when replacements would have had time to do something to arrest the slide. He didn't go then and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he doesn't go now. Lerner will see him as the man to get us back up (having seen the scintillating performances against Blackpool and Bournemouth reserves).
All this on the eve of the new TV deal. It's beyond embarrassing. It's humiliating. Some people (rightly) complained about the prospect of Friday night games in the prem as part of the new deal. The reality now is Huddersfield on a Friday night. Well done Lambert. And well done Lerner for delivering on your promise of getting the club to where it rightly belongs. Both of you just get the fuck out of our club
excellent post
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Pathetic. We've not only got the worst manager in the Prem, we've got the worst manager locally. I would have any one of Pulis at Albion, Jackett at Wolves, Rowett at Blues, even Dean Smith at Walsall in charge, instead of useless Lambert. Going down.
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Should have sacked the twat years ago
We are doomed!
Bollox
Hindsight, we should never have employed him. Utter utter incompetent bloke.
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I don't think Harry Redknapp would be interested
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Lambert has to go but will those clueless American idiots be capable of choosing a replacement. On past form god knows who they might go for. I really fear for our club, now in it's darkest days since the late 60s. Come back Deadly all's forgiven
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We need someone in to boot this bunch of tossers so hard that their arses bleed!!! There's little or no commitment or flair or desire. Someone to firefight to the end of the season. I don't care if it's Sherwood, glen Hoddle or BFR but this useless manager needs to be put out of his misery
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Lambert has got to go, he is the main culprit, but I look at the likes of Gabby and I wonder, he's made a good living out of being a local hero, but he shows zero heart or drive, absolutely nothing.
Agbonlahor is living on past glory. He hasn't had a decent run of playing well for years. Both him and Lambert have been stealing a living for yonks.
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We've gone. No point rushing in a Sherwood or a Curbishley or some other no hoper and giving them a 2-3 year contract in desperation. They won't save us.
Take our medicine. It's due.
Get the RIGHT man in, in the summer.
Wow. Are you related to randy?
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I get the manager out talk, I don't want him here but lets lament some blame at the players feet. Too many of them don't even look like footballers
Why though? It's a manager's job to get the best out of them. It's a manager's job to have some vague idea of what formation they'd be suited to. It's a manager's job to motivate them and it's a manager's job to give them a bollocking when they consistently fail to perform.
So the players aren't to blame at all? Just one man? You're mad mate.
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I don't think Harry Redknapp would be interested
Every cloud......
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Pathetic. We've not only got the worst manager in the Prem, we've got the worst manager locally. I would have any one of Pulis at Albion, Jackett at Wolves, Rowett at Blues, even Dean Smith at Walsall in charge, instead of useless Lambert. Going down.
Harriers, Gary Whild would give him a run as well.
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Every passing second is a chance to turn it all around
Do the RIGHT thing Villa
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Wonder if he has the bottle to face the media or will he send his assistant.
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we know that the yanks have their heads in the sand.
BUT.....maybe, just maybe, when they see it laid bare in the league table, maybe they will get a reality check and actually SEE just how bad it is?
That's what I'm clinging to now.
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Reset the poll please mods. He HAS to go.
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Should have sacked the twat years ago
We are doomed!
Bollox
Hindsight, we should never have employed him. Utter utter incompetent bloke.
I for one championed him for a long time, thought he would be a good fit for us and was delighted when we got him. The fact that he has failed so abysmally doesn't alter that.
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12 goals. 12 Fucking goals.
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Lambert has got to go, he is the main culprit, but I look at the likes of Gabby and I wonder, he's made a good living out of being a local hero, but he shows zero heart or drive, absolutely nothing.
Agbonlahor is living on past glory. He hasn't had a decent run of playing well for years. Both him and Lambert have been stealing a living for yonks.
Agree wholeheartedly but the shocking added irony is that Lambert makes Gabby captain. It really does beggar belief
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Americans don't have relegation in their silly sports do they?
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I get the manager out talk, I don't want him here but lets lament some blame at the players feet. Too many of them don't even look like footballers
Why though? It's a manager's job to get the best out of them. It's a manager's job to have some vague idea of what formation they'd be suited to. It's a manager's job to motivate them and it's a manager's job to give them a bollocking when they consistently fail to perform.
So the players aren't to blame at all? Just one man? You're mad mate.
Who said they're not to blame at all?
Clearly though there is one bloke who is more to blame. Take Agbonlahor out of that team and we might look slightly more threatening but we'd still probably go down. Leave Donkey Cleverley out and we might look more creative (though we didn't today) but we'd still probably go down.
Take Lambert out and we might stay up.
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I'm still numb.Inexcusable cock rot
Might have to get a seat near the pitch for Sunday.
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Lambert has got to go, he is the main culprit, but I look at the likes of Gabby and I wonder, he's made a good living out of being a local hero, but he shows zero heart or drive, absolutely nothing.
Agbonlahor is living on past glory. He hasn't had a decent run of playing well for years. Both him and Lambert have been stealing a living for yonks.
I'm struggling to think of a worse 'striker' in the premier league, he has been fucking terrible for a long time. He seems to be excused because he's a Villa fan but to me that makes his performances even more inexcusable.
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I think even Lerner & Fox must know that we are on a slide that Lambert does not have the ability to stop.
Sherwood or whoever may not be any better, but it's a risk worth taking. Anything else is suicidal.
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Reset the poll please mods. He HAS to go.
What's the point? Everyone wants him out and he might go, he might not. It makes little difference 93%, 95%, 99%, whatever. I doubt Randy's using a H&V log in.
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Wonder if he has the bottle to face the media or will he send his assistant.
We we were excellent, we should have won it and, what the fuck, just for old times' sake ... we go again.
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We have a great football club and it is being ruined
I know ppl have laughed but if you brought ex villa players in it would unite the club
We are down if he stays so why not flip the coin and try something different
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On the football side of things, why don't we give Bacuna a go? He was good last season.
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Where's Lamberto Crappio's post match interview? Can't find anything on the BBC.
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Is there anyway of bombarding the club demanding that Lerner acts now, before it's too late?
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Lambert has got to go, he is the main culprit, but I look at the likes of Gabby and I wonder, he's made a good living out of being a local hero, but he shows zero heart or drive, absolutely nothing.
Agbonlahor is living on past glory. He hasn't had a decent run of playing well for years. Both him and Lambert have been stealing a living for yonks.
I'm struggling to think of a worse 'striker' in the premier league, he has been fucking terrible for a long time. He seems to be excused because he's a Villa fan but to me that makes his performances even more inexcusable.
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There is absolutely no reason why we have to get a manager on a long term contract. We are so bad all we need is a fixer. When you have a burst pipe in your loft and water pouring through your house you don't call in an interior designer and a carp[et layer, that comes later. You call in a plumber. We were humiliated tonight by Hull. That is how bad Lambert has made us. First off Lambert has to be got rid of and somebody competent has to come in and sort out the mess of collapsed morale and collapsed confidence. While that is going on search for and find the long term manager who can take us back where we belong. The task is so big it has to be done in increments.
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I would blame the players if they were playing in positions where they belong, Weimann is a forward goalscorer who has been played on the wing and as a back up defender, Gabby should be out on the wing where he can use the one asset he's got his performance in the first half was embarrassing, anyone of the midfield should be playing just behind the forwards and making runs into the box. Lambert has no credibility anymore even the Chelsea manager believes we have a pretty good squad.
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From the beeb
Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert: "I thought we played well in a lot of parts of the game. There's that little area where we're not confident enough. We lost poor goals, especially the first one. The ball should never travel that distance. :)
"I've told the players they've got 13 cup finals. That's how they've got to look at it. I know they're more than capable of doing it.
"There's seven or eight teams in it. We just have to get ourselves out out it."
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Where's Lamberto Crappio's post match interview? Can't find anything on the BBC.
MANAGER REACTION
Hull 2-0 Aston Villa
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Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert: "I thought we played well in a lot of parts of the game. There's that little area where we're not confident enough. We lost poor goals, especially the first one. The ball should never travel that distance.
"I've told the players they've got 13 cup finals. That's how they've got to look at it. I know they're more than capable of doing it.
"There's seven or eight teams in it. We just have to get ourselves out out it."
Paul Lambert on fans' banner calling for him to be sacked: "I was aware of it months ago. I try to do my best. It's a great football club with a massive fanbase and they want to see their team doing well.
"We've got to keep battling away and keep our heads up. We're certainly in a fight. You have to keep going and keep being positive.
"There's a fight, the lads know it. There's a lot of football to be played."
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There is absolutely no reason why we have to get a manager on a long term contract. We are so bad all we need is a fixer. When you have a burst pipe in your loft and water pouring through your house you don't call in an interior designer and a carp[et layer, that comes later. You call in a plumber. We were humiliated tonight by Hull. That is how bad Lambert has made us. First off Lambert has to be got rid of and somebody competent has to come in and sort out the mess of collapsed morale and collapsed confidence. While that is going on search for and find the long term manager who can take us back where we belong. The task is so big it has to be done in increments.
Compensate Lambert and pay for a short term fix that is nailed on to have a red R on his CV. Sounds expensive..
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This is our year for going down. And rightfully so. We've been lucky the pat few years. But our luck has now run out. If Tom fox doesn't like flipping coins, then we're in real trouble.
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There is absolutely no reason why we have to get a manager on a long term contract. We are so bad all we need is a fixer.
I don't often agree with you Brian, but tonight I do.
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That little area? You mean the final third?
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Where's Lamberto Crappio's post match interview? Can't find anything on the BBC.
Reading that, he isn't quitting. Randy its down to you, son.
MANAGER REACTION
Hull 2-0 Aston Villa
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Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert: "I thought we played well in a lot of parts of the game. There's that little area where we're not confident enough. We lost poor goals, especially the first one. The ball should never travel that distance.
"I've told the players they've got 13 cup finals. That's how they've got to look at it. I know they're more than capable of doing it.
"There's seven or eight teams in it. We just have to get ourselves out out it."
Paul Lambert on fans' banner calling for him to be sacked: "I was aware of it months ago. I try to do my best. It's a great football club with a massive fanbase and they want to see their team doing well.
"We've got to keep battling away and keep our heads up. We're certainly in a fight. You have to keep going and keep being positive.
"There's a fight, the lads know it. There's a lot of football to be played."
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Still think this isn't as bad as 87? The club stinks. All we have is us. Eff off out of the club you 'kin shithouse.
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Tom our biggest 2 weapons last 2 seasons have been Lowton and Bacuna crossing, getting up there, scoring etc.
We are ideal for a 3-5-2 with the wingbacks able to really give that width, but the dimwitted wankstain managing our club has got himself completely fucking transfixed with this no fucking shitty style 4-1-2-2-1 shite that he tries to implement and no fucker has a clue. Not once, with wingers, did we get to the dead ball line to get a cross in. Not once did we look to go in behind. Straight ball diagonal run for fucks sake! No loop a dolly of a diagonal floater down Dawson's throat all night. Fucking ridiculous. Wank.
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From the beeb
Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert: "I thought we played well in a lot of parts of the game. There's that little area where we're not confident enough. We lost poor goals, especially the first one. The ball should never travel that distance. :)
"I've told the players they've got 13 cup finals. That's how they've got to look at it. I know they're more than capable of doing it.
"There's seven or eight teams in it. We just have to get ourselves out out it."
That is the scariest and yet most uninspiring manager quote I've seen in my time as a Villa fan.
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This is our year for going down. And rightfully so. We've been lucky the pat few years. But our luck has now run out. If Tom fox doesn't like flipping coins, then we're in real trouble.
Sadly so. We stink out this league.
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Where's Lamberto Crappio's post match interview? Can't find anything on the BBC.
"There's a fight, the lads know it. There's a lot of football to be played."
I don't think he or the players have the stomach for it.
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Where's Lamberto Crappio's post match interview? Can't find anything on the BBC.
MANAGER REACTION
Hull 2-0 Aston Villa
Posted at
Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert: "I thought we played well in a lot of parts of the game. There's that little area where we're not confident enough. We lost poor goals, especially the first one. The ball should never travel that distance.
"I've told the players they've got 13 cup finals. That's how they've got to look at it. I know they're more than capable of doing it.
"There's seven or eight teams in it. We just have to get ourselves out out it."
Paul Lambert on fans' banner calling for him to be sacked: "I was aware of it months ago. I try to do my best. It's a great football club with a massive fanbase and they want to see their team doing well.
"We've got to keep battling away and keep our heads up. We're certainly in a fight. You have to keep going and keep being positive.
"There's a fight, the lads know it. There's a lot of football to be played."
So we fight nice..
This guy, I'll tell ya. What a jokester.
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Where's Lamberto Crappio's post match interview? Can't find anything on the BBC.
Reading that, he isn't quitting. Randy its down to you, son.
MANAGER REACTION
Hull 2-0 Aston Villa
Posted at
Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert: "I thought we played well in a lot of parts of the game. There's that little area where we're not confident enough. We lost poor goals, especially the first one. The ball should never travel that distance.
"I've told the players they've got 13 cup finals. That's how they've got to look at it. I know they're more than capable of doing it.
"There's seven or eight teams in it. We just have to get ourselves out out it."
Paul Lambert on fans' banner calling for him to be sacked: "I was aware of it months ago. I try to do my best. It's a great football club with a massive fanbase and they want to see their team doing well.
"We've got to keep battling away and keep our heads up. We're certainly in a fight. You have to keep going and keep being positive.
"There's a fight, the lads know it. There's a lot of football to be played."
Just fuck off. Knob.
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And I'm past the point where I want to see us do 'well'. I'll settle for competently.
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Well I've changed my plan for Sundays game...I now intend to have 3 bottles of Rioja before I even get to the ground..That should help dull my senses..!
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Lambert has got to go, he is the main culprit, but I look at the likes of Gabby and I wonder, he's made a good living out of being a local hero, but he shows zero heart or drive, absolutely nothing.
Agbonlahor is living on past glory. He hasn't had a decent run of playing well for years. Both him and Lambert have been stealing a living for yonks.
I'm struggling to think of a worse 'striker' in the premier league, he has been fucking terrible for a long time
Let me help you - Andreas Wiemann. Tweedle dum and tweedle dee in harness up front tonight and what a laughable combo they made. Who among us saw their names on the team sheet and started salivating? Their keeper had his smoking jacket on all night long. It's staggering how these two herberts get a game.
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There is absolutely no reason why we have to get a manager on a long term contract. We are so bad all we need is a fixer. When you have a burst pipe in your loft and water pouring through your house you don't call in an interior designer and a carp[et layer, that comes later. You call in a plumber. We were humiliated tonight by Hull. That is how bad Lambert has made us. First off Lambert has to be got rid of and somebody competent has to come in and sort out the mess of collapsed morale and collapsed confidence. While that is going on search for and find the long term manager who can take us back where we belong. The task is so big it has to be done in increments.
Lucid thinking Brian and a good analogy. While he is doing repairs you can also rummage around in the plumber's toolbox and find a monkey wrench to give a good old dig to the bloke who fitted it in the first place.
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Where's Lamberto Crappio's post match interview? Can't find anything on the BBC.
MANAGER REACTION
Hull 2-0 Aston Villa
Posted at
Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert: "I thought we played well in a lot of parts of the game. There's that little area where we're not confident enough. We lost poor goals, especially the first one. The ball should never travel that distance.
"I've told the players they've got 13 cup finals. That's how they've got to look at it. I know they're more than capable of doing it.
"There's seven or eight teams in it. We just have to get ourselves out out it."
Paul Lambert on fans' banner calling for him to be sacked: "I was aware of it months ago. I try to do my best. It's a great football club with a massive fanbase and they want to see their team doing well.
"We've got to keep battling away and keep our heads up. We're certainly in a fight. You have to keep going and keep being positive.
"There's a fight, the lads know it. There's a lot of football to be played."
He hasn't got it in him and I think he knows it. I don't actually think he believes what he is saying. He's turned into a zombie, spouting whatever is going make sure he either stays for as long as possible or leaves with a decent pay off. He won't admit any culpability as it could affect him financially.
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This is our year for going down. And rightfully so. We've been lucky the pat few years. But our luck has now run out. If Tom fox doesn't like flipping coins, then we're in real trouble.
Quite right. This has been coming for ages and we have been one result or two away for the last couple of seasons. Many people on here saw this coming a long, long time ago.
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Exactly, which games will 'define our season'?
Not the ones against the good teams, obviously, they don't count.
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He has "no doubt they'll get out of it" is he on fucking Crack?
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After suffering that shite again , if anyone thinks that we are not bang in trouble , then wake up.
Clueless manager - way worse than mcleish - yes - honestly .
If randy or Faulkner have got any idea on football then they need to get rid - we are sleepwalking toward the trap door .
I called it two years ago - we have all called it for ages - the only people who can't see it are the wankers in charge
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If there are no rumblings of a sacking tomorrow, I think I'm done for the season.
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I get the manager out talk, I don't want him here but lets lament some blame at the players feet. Too many of them don't even look like footballers
Why though? It's a manager's job to get the best out of them. It's a manager's job to have some vague idea of what formation they'd be suited to. It's a manager's job to motivate them and it's a manager's job to give them a bollocking when they consistently fail to perform.
So the players aren't to blame at all? Just one man? You're mad mate.
Who said they're not to blame at all?
Clearly though there is one bloke who is more to blame. Take Agbonlahor out of that team and we might look slightly more threatening but we'd still probably go down. Leave Donkey Cleverley out and we might look more creative (though we didn't today) but we'd still probably go down.
Take Lambert out and we might stay up.
Well when I said lets blame some of these players you said why and started saying it's the managers fault for nearly everything, Like he programs the 11 who go out like they're robots. Players don't take enough responsibility for me, these multi millionaire adults who have their arses wiped during their whole career. No matter what formation, what tactic etc you still go out, get stuck in, fight to win the ball back, pass and move into space, cross the ball in the direction of his team mate and hit the back of the net. You don't need managers for that....you do that because you're a footballer.
Formations and tactics aside, you still play football to the best of your ability. I don't agree with motivating either, you're a bloody footballer with possibly one of the best lifestyles in society. For me they're all left off the hook far too easy these days.
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What's your message to the supporters?
"I can't do nothing about it."
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Where's Lamberto Crappio's post match interview? Can't find anything on the BBC.
MANAGER REACTION
Hull 2-0 Aston Villa
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Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert: "I thought we played well in a lot of parts of the game. There's that little area where we're not confident enough. We lost poor goals, especially the first one. The ball should never travel that distance.
"I've told the players they've got 13 cup finals. That's how they've got to look at it. I know they're more than capable of doing it.
"There's seven or eight teams in it. We just have to get ourselves out out it."
Paul Lambert on fans' banner calling for him to be sacked: "I was aware of it months ago. I try to do my best. It's a great football club with a massive fanbase and they want to see their team doing well.
"We've got to keep battling away and keep our heads up. We're certainly in a fight. You have to keep going and keep being positive.
"There's a fight, the lads know it. There's a lot of football to be played."
He hasn't got it in him and I think he knows it. I don't actually think he believes what he is saying. He's turned into a zombie, spouting whatever is going make sure he either stays for as long as possible or leaves with a decent pay off. He won't admit any culpability as it could affect him financially.
As soon as I saw a lengthy manager's quote I chose not to read it. Otherwise I suspect I would have ended up throwing the laptop through the window.
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I would like to know in what part of the game did we play well? He is digging in for a pay off it's obvious.
Any manager that can bring discipline and order will do and yes i would take Mcleish for the rest of the season anybody Ads will do just get this moron out of the club.
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He has "no doubt they'll get out of it" is he on fucking Crack?
Do you really expect, or want, the manager to say "that's it, we're fucked and getting relegated"?
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Where's Lamberto Crappio's post match interview? Can't find anything on the BBC.
Reading that, he isn't quitting. Randy its down to you, son.
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Hull 2-0 Aston Villa
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Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert: "I thought we played well in a lot of parts of the game. There's that little area where we're not confident enough. We lost poor goals, especially the first one. The ball should never travel that distance.
"I've told the players they've got 13 cup finals. That's how they've got to look at it. I know they're more than capable of doing it.
"There's seven or eight teams in it. We just have to get ourselves out out it."
Paul Lambert on fans' banner calling for him to be sacked: "I was aware of it months ago. I try to do my best. It's a great football club with a massive fanbase and they want to see their team doing well.
"We've got to keep battling away and keep our heads up. We're certainly in a fight. You have to keep going and keep being positive.
"There's a fight, the lads know it. There's a lot of football to be played."
I swear he said exactly the same dross last season.
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Wonder if he has the bottle to face the media or will he send his assistant.
Ha!
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On the fans protests " I was aware of it months ago"
He knows he's not going anywhere.
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It use to be managers of teams like Bolton, Fulham, who use to say ' we have 12 cup finals to play'.
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I've just listened to the mumble of a post match interview. He's not going to resign - I think he is actually deluded and thinks he can get us out of this mess. Bewildering.
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This is our year for going down. And rightfully so. We've been lucky the pat few years. But our luck has now run out. If Tom fox doesn't like flipping coins, then we're in real trouble.
Sadly so. We stink out this league.
I keep saying this, but I honestly mean it, if I weren't a Villa fan, I would really, really want us to go down.
We don't deserve to be in this league. About four years ago, we blatantly just gave up even pretending to try.
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It use to be managers of teams like Bolton, Fulham, who use to say ' we have 12 cup finals to play'.
I thought the exact same thing. It sent a shiver down my spine.
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Lambert's post match ramblings on the BBC demonstrate one thing, there is no way he will walk out of the Villa of his own free will. I don't accept for one minute that even he believes the crap he is coming out with. The main thing on his mind now is holding on to as much of his £8m promised to him for the next four years as possible.
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"I was aware of it months ago" is the thing that makes me really angry.
There was no protest months ago, he has had more patience shown to him than any other manager in recent times.
To turn around and say that is fucking disgraceful.
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"There's that little area where we're not confident."
It's called a football pitch.
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This is our year for going down. And rightfully so. We've been lucky the pat few years. But our luck has now run out. If Tom fox doesn't like flipping coins, then we're in real trouble.
Quite right. This has been coming for ages and we have been one result or two away for the last couple of seasons. Many people on here saw this coming a long, long time ago.
You're both right. Just a pity that our clueless owner and his Chief Exec don't/won't see it.
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Still think this isn't as bad as 87? The club stinks. All we have is us. Eff off out of the club you 'kin shithouse.
It's been as bad as 87 for a good while now and there are a number of similarities. We were always going to end up precisely here with these two idiots in charge. I dread to think what their combined IQ is, certainly nowhere near as high as their bank balances. Two twats taking us all for a ride. I'm ashamed of how thick I myself was to be taken in by the charlatan in charge of our club.
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He said on 5 Live he had been hurting for 3 years. Sounded like a man on his way out.
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"I was aware of it months ago" is the thing that makes me really angry.
There was no protest months ago, he has had more patience shown to him than any other manager in recent times.
To turn around and say that is fucking disgraceful.
I was wandering what protests I had missed and then I realised he was just talking bullshit.
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Another unwanted record gained. Least number of goals after 25 games in Premier League history.
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"There's that little area where we're not confident."
It's called a football pitch.
Very good.First smile of the night
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The club have a chance of getting the fans onside and unifying the club to give us half a chance of survival. Sack Lambert.
Instead they will bury their heads in the sand.
On a separate note only Hutton and Guzan acknowledged the away fans at the end. An insult and disgrace to every Villa fan.
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Tom Fox needs to have some shit as well..He has sat on his hands as the house has burnt.
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Lerner wont sack him but I thought he might resign, after the post match interview it would appear not, were in a whole load of trouble and with Lambert staying in charge were almost certainly sunk, im girding my loins for whats to come, its so fuckin sad.
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"I was aware of it months ago" is the thing that makes me really angry.
There was no protest months ago, he has had more patience shown to him than any other manager in recent times.
To turn around and say that is fucking disgraceful.
In fairness to him, he has been getting stick since Burnley away which was over 2 months ago. So he is kind of right. But he has also as you say, had for more support than his record has deserved.
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He said on 5 Live he had been hurting for 3 years. Sounded like a man on his way out.
I've been massively offended with his shite tactics, excuses and gutless attitude for the last 3 years, I hope he's on his way out, celebrations will ensue
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Lerner wont sack him but I thought he might resign, after the post match interview it would appear not, were in a whole load of trouble and with Lambert staying in charge were almost certainly sunk, im girding my loins for whats to come, its so fuckin sad.
Lambert looked a beaten man in his interview. However he has too much £ to lose by resigning
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Sinclair, looks like it's a good job it's only a loan based on his first start. Gabby? Why. Delf flattered to deceive not a leader, a midfield including Westwood, Cole and Gil is too lightweight and cissoko is pointless when not defending. Oh and Lamberts not going anywhere.
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Tonight was the first sick feeling I had in my stomach, the one that told me that we are definitely going down. The idea we are going to get 12-15 points and suddenly start banging in the goals after scoring 12 in 24 games just doesn't stand up to scrutiny on any level. As for Lambert, it ihas gone beyond the point of just wanting him out now. Honestly, it is at the stage that whenever I hear him or read a quote, I just want to punch him such is the absolute drivel he is spouting.
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I'm going to go to bed in a minute. Tomorrow, I'll log on to my computer at work, and there'll be a mock-sympathetic article on the Beeb about our plight which is actually a gleeful hatchet job. There will be complete silence from the club up until Thursday, when there'll be a pre-FA Cup press conference in which Lambert says 'we have to keep going. We'll try to win'. And I'll die a bit more.
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Just got home from Hull.
Lacklustre, lacking direction or purpose, predictable, easy to defend against, immobile. These are some of the words to sum up the Villa play. It's not that we were bad: we were just completely ineffectual.
As a result of which, we will be relegated unless action is taken now and someone can be brought in to perform a minor miracle.
Lambert seems to be clueless and incapable.
The fans at the game also clearly exuded a lack of hope or expectation. Which smacks of an acceptance of the inevitable.
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He has "no doubt they'll get out of it" is he on fucking Crack?
Do you really expect, or want, the manager to say "that's it, we're fucked and getting relegated"?
Actually yes, I want him to say we are fucked if my players, the one's that I've picked, the ones that can't hit a cows arse with a fucking banjo, can't score more goals that the other team. I don't doubt we're going down, judging by the previous 14 pages neither does anyone else. Just be honest, he's knows he's shit and nobody wants him, whats he got to lose.
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"I was aware of it months ago" is the thing that makes me really angry.
There was no protest months ago, he has had more patience shown to him than any other manager in recent times.
To turn around and say that is fucking disgraceful.
That really is in bad taste. There were no protests months ago. We've been more patient than has been called for. Very disrespectful.
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Maybe tempt Redknapp into deferring his knee op with the offer of a short term contract based on a £2-3million payment into his dog's bank account subject to him keeping us up!
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Another unwanted record gained. Least number of goals after 25 games in Premier League history.
Gulp
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When we lost to Forest in 1988-89 Sir Graham called it "the most disgraceful and inept performance I have known in seventeen years as a manager." Somehow I can't imagine the current incumbent being so honest.
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It's one thing wanting him to say along the lines of "that simply isn't good enough or acceptable" etc and another wanting him to say we aren't staying up. He would be slaughtered by absolutely everyone if he said that.
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He can fuck off to Rangers.Ashley can suck his knob
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Silver lining? QPR's first away win of the season wasn't against us.
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Silver lining? QPR's first away win of the season wasn't against us.
Their second one wil
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When we lost to Forest in 1988-89 Sir Graham called it "the most disgraceful and inept performance I have known in seventeen years as a manager." Somehow I can't imagine the current incumbent being so honest.
That is something that really winds me up on Lambert, I think he fears losing the dressing room if he blames the players.
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Tonight was the first sick feeling I had in my stomach, the one that told me that we are definitely going down. The idea we are going to get 12-15 points and suddenly start banging in the goals after scoring 12 in 24 games just doesn't stand up to scrutiny on any level. As for Lambert, it ihas gone beyond the point of just wanting him out now. Honestly, it is at the stage that whenever I hear him or read a quote, I just want to punch him such is the absolute drivel he is spouting.
If he aint sacked he could change tactics and players.we actually have a squad and not many injuries. We could actually attempt to try and win the 13 cup finals rather than winning possession stats
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We are doomed. I have never felt so bad about our great club, desperate days.
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Drops Benteke to the bench.... Keeps faith with Shabby GaveUpLongAgo.... Ships one of the most prolific Premier League goalscorers off to Derby, who has since scored 4 in 5 (inc. 1 goal, 1 assist tonight against top of the table Bournemouth).
Disgraceful. Abject. Soul destroying to watch.
Neutrals are even turning against us. A mate at work keeps saying "Bloody hell, won't your lot just go down and be done with it". I've got to the point where I actually agree with him. The owner, manager and players don't seem to give a toss at all - Our time has come.
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When we lost to Forest in 1988-89 Sir Graham called it "the most disgraceful and inept performance I have known in seventeen years as a manager." Somehow I can't imagine the current incumbent being so honest.
That is something that really winds me up on Lambert, I think he fears losing the dressing room if he blames the players.
I think he lost the dressing room a while ago.
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Well let's all turn up Sunday support the team and then drift off at the final whistle..or perhaps we say you bastards are taking the piss and we have had enough.
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When we lost to Forest in 1988-89 Sir Graham called it "the most disgraceful and inept performance I have known in seventeen years as a manager." Somehow I can't imagine the current incumbent being so honest.
Possibly because it wouldn't be honest. As disgraceful and inept performance as it was, I think Lambert has somehow already manged to previously conjure up performances more disgraceful and inept than that one. Not many admittedly.
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I've said it numerous times, this fucking manager is nothing more than a chancer. Completely out of his depth & it's been displayed for all to see time and again. Culverhouse & Karsa were the scapegoats last season & Keane walked after witnessing the inept performance at QPR. There's no one else left to blame except Lambert. We haven't even got an assistant to step in if we sacked him tomorrow.
We all know, Dweedle Dee & Dweedle Dumb up front offer zero goal threat, it was confirmed for all to see when Benteke was out last season. Yet, Lambert chose to do nothing about it. Why he thinks they will suddenly start to offer a goal threat is astounding.
Sinclair has played fuck all football for 3 years & it shows.
Joe Cole was blowing out of his arse 10 minutes after coming on.
We all wanted it to work & we've been incredibly tolerant, but enough is enough.
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Ratings - Guzan 5, Hutton 5, Okore 5, Clark 7, Cissokho 2, Gil 5, Westwood 4, Delph 5, Sinclair 4, Gabby 3, Weimann 2. Subs Benteke 6, Cole 5
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On the coach home do you think Lambert is sat there with his underpants on his head and a pencil up each nostril ?.
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Yet he persuades Delph and Benteke to sign new contracts and finds Vlaar, Gil and a few others I can't be arsed to think of.
He's a strange one no doubt, no manager, fuck no, but there is something there. Maybe not one for tonight mind...
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We tested their keeper once. When you do that against a team as poor as Hull were, then we deserve to be where we are. 2 wins in 21 games league games is just not acceptable, whatever league you are in.
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And just think those players will be on the coach travelling back to the midlands knowing their £20 to £50k weekly salaries are guaranteed, with their big Dr Dre earphones, designer clothing, fvck me girlfriends waiting at home, not giving a sweet f all for the predicament of our club caused by their total and consistent ineptitude.
Makes my blood boil
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I am telling you now, randy lerner is asset stripping aston villa. when we go down we get say 30 mill in parachute which he will pocket knowing he can pull the 'we have to pull our belts in' touch again also our better players signed new contracts when they could have made more money on frees i.e delph guzan benteke knowing full well we will pocket big transfer fees for them when sold. where is the prick oh he is on holiday in the carribean in our darkest hour. he don't care if he sells us now cuz he is gunna get his money back by other means than selling us and he will still own us.
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Gabby is the ultimate poster boy for the acceptance of the mediocre at the club in recent years.
For all the "he's a local lad, he's one of us" bollocks about him, you'd think he'd put in a shift. He is fucking woeful, week after week, offers nothing. Nor does Weimann. I appreciate they're played out of position a lot, but fucking hell, what kind of "Villa fan" is it that plays for the club and then slouches around putting in nothing even resembling a shift week after week?
He's another one who has picked up a totally undeserved contract.
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And just think those players will be on the coach travelling back to the midlands knowing their £20 to £50k weekly salaries are guaranteed, with their big Dr Dre earphones, designer clothing, fvck me girlfriends waiting at home, not giving a sweet f all for the predicament of our club caused by their total and consistent ineptitude.
Makes my blood boil
Don't you dare include Gabby in that slur. He's one of us. Local hero. Bleeds claret and blue every time he crosses the white line...
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I am telling you now, randy lerner is asset stripping aston villa. when we go down we get say 30 mill in parachute which he will pocket knowing he can pull the 'we have to pull our belts in' touch again also our better players signed new contracts when they could have made more money on frees i.e delph guzan benteke knowing full well we will pocket big transfer fees for them when sold. where is the prick oh he is on holiday in the carribean in our darkest hour. he don't care if he sells us now cuz he is gunna get his money back by other means than selling us and he will still own us.
Nonsense, I think we can safely say Lerner will lose a lot of money when we get relegated,
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Gabby is the ultimate poster boy for the acceptance of the mediocre at the club in recent years.
For all the "he's a local lad, he's one of us" bollocks about him, you'd think he'd put in a shift. He is fucking woeful, week after week, offers nothing. Nor does Weimann. I appreciate they're played out of position a lot, but fucking hell, what kind of "Villa fan" is it that plays for the club and then slouches around putting in nothing even resembling a shift week after week?
He's another one who has picked up a totally undeserved contract.
And you should see the size of his new house as well in Little Aston. My folks always said hard work pays. In Gabbys case doing f all for years earns you another 4 year contract
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I wonder, if Liverpool were in a similar predicament would the likes of Gerrard or Carragher have been mincing around the pitch doing fuck all week after week like Gabby?
Paulie is absolutely spot on.
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13 cup finals? What difference does that make? Most of our players have only watched them on telly! Are they suddenly going to start playing better? "Oooh it's the first of my 13 cup finals I must try harder".
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He can fuck off to Rangers.Ashley can suck his knob
This is the type of reasoned argument I come on here for, a heartfelt critique of the situation Mr Cropley and if I may say so rather a moving one.
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13 cup finals? What difference does that make? Most of our players have only watched them on telly! Are they suddenly going to start playing better? "Oooh it's the first of my 13 cup finals I must try harder".
We've already been in a semi and look how that turned out.
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Pretty disappointed about players as much as manager. We have some very good players that appear to have no ideas, no passion, no desire. Long way back from here. Be very "impressed" if we can get out of this sh@t storm dead cert relegation spiral
Agreed, but you can't sack the players.
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Agbonlahor can't even grow a proper moustache, that's how fucking useless he is.
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we as fans have to take some blame, we have become to accepting of shit, the whole world should be in no doubt by now how we feel about lambert and lerner, we have been too nice for five shit years now in fact we have become the blues fans accepting shit!! WE ARE ASTON VILLA for fucksake
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I get the manager out talk, I don't want him here but lets lament some blame at the players feet. Too many of them don't even look like footballers
Why though? It's a manager's job to get the best out of them. It's a manager's job to have some vague idea of what formation they'd be suited to. It's a manager's job to motivate them and it's a manager's job to give them a bollocking when they consistently fail to perform.
So the players aren't to blame at all? Just one man? You're mad mate.
Who said they're not to blame at all?
Clearly though there is one bloke who is more to blame. Take Agbonlahor out of that team and we might look slightly more threatening but we'd still probably go down. Leave Donkey Cleverley out and we might look more creative (though we didn't today) but we'd still probably go down.
Take Lambert out and we might stay up.
Well when I said lets blame some of these players you said why and started saying it's the managers fault for nearly everything, Like he programs the 11 who go out like they're robots. Players don't take enough responsibility for me, these multi millionaire adults who have their arses wiped during their whole career. No matter what formation, what tactic etc you still go out, get stuck in, fight to win the ball back, pass and move into space, cross the ball in the direction of his team mate and hit the back of the net. You don't need managers for that....you do that because you're a footballer.
Formations and tactics aside, you still play football to the best of your ability. I don't agree with motivating either, you're a bloody footballer with possibly one of the best lifestyles in society. For me they're all left off the hook far too easy these days.
My "why" was in response to your "too many of them don't look like footballers" remark.
It seems odd that all Villa players would decide, simultaneously, that they're not going to care or try or do anything that could be confused for the vague resemblance of competence.
Our players are gone, mentally. You can see it in their eyes, a haunted look. They look like they just got out of Vietnam, found out that they missed the 1960s and that Prog Rock is dominating the charts.
We can't add to our squad now before May but we can change the man who has masterminded the most mind-numbingly tedious and depressing prolonged period of our top-flight history.
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I am telling you now, randy lerner is asset stripping aston villa. when we go down we get say 30 mill in parachute which he will pocket knowing he can pull the 'we have to pull our belts in' touch again also our better players signed new contracts when they could have made more money on frees i.e delph guzan benteke knowing full well we will pocket big transfer fees for them when sold. where is the prick oh he is on holiday in the carribean in our darkest hour. he don't care if he sells us now cuz he is gunna get his money back by other means than selling us and he will still own us.
Can't agree with that, I prefer to think Lerner is a very honorable man with his heart in the right place, who has failed to recognise (or own up to) some pretty atrocious footballing appointments.
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I watched it in the pub. I've no idea who the co-commentator was but he was absolutely slaughtering us at times. He was right as well, we were awful.
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On the coach home do you think Lambert is sat there with his underpants on his head and a pencil up each nostril ?.
Probably getting stuck into a few beers with Andi and the boys. "One game nearer to the season being over. Whoop whoop".
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WHOOAAAA, before you all start celebrating, I thought that desperate times called for desperate measures! The various coloured dots we use on here seem to have broken, so I thought maybe we should try something new.
We need every forum member to fist bump Hercules above and it will come true! Darren Bent - You can join in too.... And Sid, if you're watching!
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Oooh 13 cup finals...
Yeah because our performances in ANY cup games since you took over, have been stellar.
TWAT
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I am telling you now, randy lerner is asset stripping aston villa. when we go down we get say 30 mill in parachute which he will pocket knowing he can pull the 'we have to pull our belts in' touch again also our better players signed new contracts when they could have made more money on frees i.e delph guzan benteke knowing full well we will pocket big transfer fees for them when sold. where is the prick oh he is on holiday in the carribean in our darkest hour. he don't care if he sells us now cuz he is gunna get his money back by other means than selling us and he will still own us.
Nonsense, I think we can safely say Lerner will lose a lot of money when we get relegated,
why is it nonsense easy quick way to make money, pocket sky money without spending a penny on team and selling your best assets i.e players
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This is the type of reasoned argument I come on here for, a heartfelt critique of the situation Mr Cropley and if I may say so rather a moving one.
Agbonlahor can't even grow a proper moustache, that's how fucking useless he is.
Our players are gone, mentally. You can see it in their eyes, a haunted look. They look like they just got out of Vietnam, found out that they missed the 1960s and that Prog Rock is dominating the charts.
Thanks to all above for helping me raise my first smile since before kick off this evening.
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A comfortable win for Hull.
We go again.
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On the plus side, we've only lost once to a top flight side in the cups under Lambert. Now I am excited!
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The players look they have no confidence and no idea what they're supposed to be doing, as poor as they've played I'd put the majority of that at the feet of the manager.
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The worst thing about it for me is - this isn't 1987. It isn't going to stop with relegation. A Graham Taylor is not going to sweep in and put everything right.
Our few remaining Premier quality players will leave, Randy will reset the wage bill to allow for the reduced income, and he'll find another yes man to manage the next iteration of slow decline.
The only glimmer of hope is that even the utterly hopeless Cleveland Browns found a buyer eventually.
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The players look they have no confidence and no idea what they're supposed to be doing, as poor as they've played I'd put the majority of that at the feet of the manager.
Have to agree, they either don't understand the gameplan or if they do don't believe in it.
Lambert just keeps throwing different players and systems together hoping something happens.
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I said in the pre-match thread that if we suffered a defeat with a poor performance I think that would be it for Lambert.
I know they've had ample opportunities before but I really think slipping into the bottom 3 with a performance like this means they must act now - as disinterested as Lerner is and as disengaged with the reality as clearly Fox is they simply cannot ignore this any longer.
I've a gut feeling he'll be gone by this time tomorrow I really do. If not, they deserve everything they get (though I've thought that for a while).
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I watched it in the pub. I've no idea who the co-commentator was but he was absolutely slaughtering us at times. He was right as well, we were awful.
Indeed, I cant help you with who it was, other than the clues were that he was a striker in his playing days,but his observations on our lack of movement and desire were spot on.
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The players look they have no confidence and no idea what they're supposed to be doing, as poor as they've played I'd put the majority of that at the feet of the manager.
I agree, it has been pretty clear that is the issue for weeks now, and I thought tonight was a particularly good example on it.
There was no actual plan to what we were doing. Lots of passing the ball between ourselves, yes, but it looked pretty clearly to me like they were just making it up on the spot, they hadn't been sent out there to do any one thing in particular.
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I watched it in the pub. I've no idea who the co-commentator was but he was absolutely slaughtering us at times. He was right as well, we were awful.
Indeed, I cant help you with who it was, other than the clues were that he was a striker in his playing days,but his observations on our lack of movement and desire where spot on.
Gary Birtles
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I cannot think of any positive to take from the game. Watching Cissoko pull out of a 60/40 (in his favour ) challenge made my blood boil. The manager is incompetent but the players are taking the piss out of the shirt.
Most demoralising thing is Lambert is here to stay.
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We were excellent. For Hull.
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Fox thinks the narrative is false. What does he think of the league table?
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I'm normally quite pessimistic but I was convinced we would win tonight.
I shall be glad to return to my normal state of mind tomorrow.
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I cannot think of any positive to take from the game.
You don't live in Hull so get to leave it.
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Blimey, he's got some fucking neck then.
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Fox thinks the narrative is false. What does he think of the league table?
That's it's upside down. Kind of like how in american sports the away team is always mentioned first.
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Post shambles suggests the shambles is over. The match might be but the general shambles continues.
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I watched it in the pub. I've no idea who the co-commentator was but he was absolutely slaughtering us at times. He was right as well, we were awful.
Indeed, I cant help you with who it was, other than the clues were that he was a striker in his playing days,but his observations on our lack of movement and desire were spot on.
At the very least they've got to appoint an Assistant Manager who used to be a forward and understands forward play and movement. Someone like Dean Saunders for instance.
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I watched it in the pub. I've no idea who the co-commentator was but he was absolutely slaughtering us at times. He was right as well, we were awful.
Indeed, I cant help you with who it was, other than the clues were that he was a striker in his playing days,but his observations on our lack of movement and desire were spot on.
At the very least they've got to appoint an Assistant Manager who used to be a forward and understands forward play and movement. Someone like Dean Saunders for instance.
Gabby and Andi already know how to run about aimlessly out wide with their tongues hanging out!
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I am telling you now, randy lerner is asset stripping aston villa. when we go down we get say 30 mill in parachute which he will pocket knowing he can pull the 'we have to pull our belts in' touch again also our better players signed new contracts when they could have made more money on frees i.e delph guzan benteke knowing full well we will pocket big transfer fees for them when sold. where is the prick oh he is on holiday in the carribean in our darkest hour. he don't care if he sells us now cuz he is gunna get his money back by other means than selling us and he will still own us.
Nonsense, I think we can safely say Lerner will lose a lot of money when we get relegated,
why is it nonsense easy quick way to make money, pocket sky money without spending a penny on team and selling your best assets i.e players
Because the few good players will be sold for a fraction of their true value, plus any parachute payments will be far less than actually staying in the Premier League. The sale value of the club will also plummet. There is no positive aspect for the club or anyone connected to it, by being relegated.
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I watched it in the pub. I've no idea who the co-commentator was but he was absolutely slaughtering us at times. He was right as well, we were awful.
Indeed, I cant help you with who it was, other than the clues were that he was a striker in his playing days,but his observations on our lack of movement and desire were spot on.
At the very least they've got to appoint an Assistant Manager who used to be a forward and understands forward play and movement. Someone like Dean Saunders for instance.
I think the time for tinkering with coaching staff has gone. We need a change of manager. Although your wild and crazy idea of actually having an assistant manager might be worth considering. It might even catch on.
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I watched it in the pub. I've no idea who the co-commentator was but he was absolutely slaughtering us at times. He was right as well, we were awful.
Indeed, I cant help you with who it was, other than the clues were that he was a striker in his playing days,but his observations on our lack of movement and desire were spot on.
At the very least they've got to appoint an Assistant Manager who used to be a forward and understands forward play and movement. Someone like Dean Saunders for instance.
Saunders took over at Crawley from JG who has had heart surgery. They are bottom 3.
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I'd take Weimann ahead of Agbonlahor at present on the basis that he runs about aimlessly, never looking likely to score, whereas Gabby walks about aimlessly, never looking likely to score.
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I think the time for tinkering with coaching staff has gone. We need a change of manager. Although your wild and crazy idea of actually having an assistant manager might be worth considering. It might even catch on.
Steady now. We've already revolutionised football by playing possession football, we can't be too much ahead of the rest of the world as it would be unfair on them.
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I watched it in the pub. I've no idea who the co-commentator was but he was absolutely slaughtering us at times. He was right as well, we were awful.
Indeed, I cant help you with who it was, other than the clues were that he was a striker in his playing days,but his observations on our lack of movement and desire were spot on.
At the very least they've got to appoint an Assistant Manager who used to be a forward and understands forward play and movement. Someone like Dean Saunders for instance.
I think the time for tinkering with coaching staff has gone. We need a change of manager. Although your wild and crazy idea of actually having an assistant manager might be worth considering. It might even catch on.
[Conspiracy mode]if you don't have an assistant manager, it makes it harder to sack the manager as there will be no obvious choice to take over as caretaker boss.[/conspiracy mode]
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Its a bit mind boggling to think that blokes sitting around in their underpants posting on the internet understand that Premier League forwards need to move about a bit but professional teams need to pay millions to the 'right' people to be told the same thing.
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We'll just make Gabby player/manager.
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Its a bit mind boggling to think that blokes sitting around in their underpants posting on the internet understand that Premier League forwards need to move about a bit but professional teams need to pay millions to the 'right' people to be told the same thing.
Speak for yourself, i'm in a silky negligee.
Now reach for the mind bleach bitches!
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I'd take Weimann ahead of Agbonlahor at present on the basis that he runs about aimlessly, never looking likely to score, whereas Gabby walks about aimlessly, never looking likely to score.
Would you swap him for a Benteke who jumps about aimlessly, never looking likely to score?
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I watched it in the pub. I've no idea who the co-commentator was but he was absolutely slaughtering us at times. He was right as well, we were awful.
Indeed, I cant help you with who it was, other than the clues were that he was a striker in his playing days,but his observations on our lack of movement and desire were spot on.
At the very least they've got to appoint an Assistant Manager who used to be a forward and understands forward play and movement. Someone like Dean Saunders for instance.
Gabby and Andi already know how to run about aimlessly out wide with their tongues hanging out!
I lost count of the number of times the co-commentator said our forward players were just standing there, no-one coming toward the ball, all standing close to eachother and not getting into the box. Whilst you would expect Premier League players to be better than that, you've also got to point to the coaching staff. None of them were forwards or even attacking players. Lambert was obviously a holding midfielder, Scott Marshall was a central defender and I think Andy Marshall was too though I don't remember the last 2.
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Mine are horsehair.
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Its a bit mind boggling to think that blokes sitting around in their underpants posting on the internet understand that Premier League forwards need to move about a bit but professional teams need to pay millions to the 'right' people to be told the same thing.
Or in our case, millions to the wrong people not to be told.
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bitches!
Have you been watching Breaking Bad again?
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I watched it in the pub. I've no idea who the co-commentator was but he was absolutely slaughtering us at times. He was right as well, we were awful.
Indeed, I cant help you with who it was, other than the clues were that he was a striker in his playing days,but his observations on our lack of movement and desire where spot on.
Gary Birtles
A limited player who won 2 European Cups through hard work and exceptional management.
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I watched it in the pub. I've no idea who the co-commentator was but he was absolutely slaughtering us at times. He was right as well, we were awful.
Indeed, I cant help you with who it was, other than the clues were that he was a striker in his playing days,but his observations on our lack of movement and desire were spot on.
At the very least they've got to appoint an Assistant Manager who used to be a forward and understands forward play and movement. Someone like Dean Saunders for instance.
I think the time for tinkering with coaching staff has gone. We need a change of manager. Although your wild and crazy idea of actually having an assistant manager might be worth considering. It might even catch on.
I agree but the post comes with knowing that Lambert won't be sacked and won't resign.
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bitches!
Have you been watching Breaking Bad again?
Fo sho!
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I watched it in the pub. I've no idea who the co-commentator was but he was absolutely slaughtering us at times. He was right as well, we were awful.
Indeed, I cant help you with who it was, other than the clues were that he was a striker in his playing days,but his observations on our lack of movement and desire were spot on.
At the very least they've got to appoint an Assistant Manager who used to be a forward and understands forward play and movement. Someone like Dean Saunders for instance.
Saunders took over at Crawley from JG who has had heart surgery. They are bottom 3.
He was an example and presumably he would still jump at the chance. Where Crawley are doesn't really matter since the point was about bringing in an assistant manager who understands forward play.
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Forgot to mention, top respect to the 1,500 fans that traveled up there, especially the chaps with the 'Lambert Out' banner.
You all deserve a hell of a lot better.
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Wasn't Andy Marshall our 3rd choice keeper or did I just dream that one up
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You don't have to have a manager/assistant/coach who was a forward. BFR was never more than a very limited wing-half (ask your dad) but style-wise his teams were as good as it got.
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Managing Aston Villa is a death sentence to anyone's career, who the fuck, other than the very desparate, would want it?
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From the OS.
Paul Lambert has told his players they must treat every game as a cup final from now until the end of the season as they look to bounce back from the defeat at Hull.
Lambert described the dressing room as "flat as you'll probably get it" after the 2-0 loss to the Tigers on Tuesday.
Villa are currently in the bottom three in the Barclays Premier League but Lambert has called on his players to fight with everything they've got to power away from the drop zone between now and the end of the current campaign.
Lambert is confident his players will climb the table but reiterated the need for character in the final run-in.
He said: "I probably can't describe how low we're feeling right now. As a group we're down.
"I just told them we've got thirteen cup finals and we have to win these cup finals that are coming our way.
"There will be a few other teams that'll be fighting with you to stay in this league.
"You have to make sure you're out of that bottom three.
"I've just said to the lads there are two ways you can go about it. You can meet it head on or you buckle under it. And you make sure you don't buckle for your own career.
"You've got to go into the next game and win it. You can't feel sorry for yourself.
"You've got to pick yourself up and you've got to go again.
"This football club is a great football club. It's huge. The supporters will expect a reaction. They have the biggest thirteen games of their careers coming up.
"I still believe, 100%. I still believe that the football club will be fine.
"There are good players in the dressing room. There's no two ways about.
"We're just missing that little bit in the final third. We have thirteen cup finals on our hands, that's the big thing. But I still believe 100% that Villa will be fine.
"Everyone will have to show character. From me right down, big players always rise to it anyway.
"This will be a test for everybody but, as I said to them, a lot of teams are going to be there with you. That's going to happen so you have to be ready for it.
"We have got to win ugly now. This is not the time for playing pretty football. No matter how you do it, you have to win.
"We try to play the game the right way. Now you have to win ugly to get points.
"I have no doubt we have enough leaders. There are big characters in the dressing room to see it through."
Lambert lamented the manner of the Tigers goals as he spoke to the press after the final whistle.
He added: "The first goal was really disappointing as we were on top and started the game really well. The ball has travelled 60 or 70 yards from their goalkeeper.
"We never dealt with it. That goal gives their stadium a lift.
"We're chasing the game from there.
"Even the second goal is a short free-kick that went into the box and we never dealt with that particularly well.
"We had enough of the ball to do better than we did in the last third.
"If you look at the players we had on the pitch, we had Gabby Agbonlahor, Carles Gil, Joe Cole - you've got so many options attacking-wise.
"Tonight it didn't go for us but we went with an attacking line-up.
"That's not just labelled at the forward lads. Collectively as a group we never did enough."
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I'd take Weimann ahead of Agbonlahor at present on the basis that he runs about aimlessly, never looking likely to score, whereas Gabby walks about aimlessly, never looking likely to score.
Would you swap him for a Benteke who jumps about aimlessly, never looking likely to score?
I don't think that's fair. Benteke doesn't really jump these days.
I'd be tempted to stick with Benteke on the basis that, at best, if he got back to playing at the peak of his powers, he's potentially one of the best players in the league. If Weimann and/or Agbonlahor were to play at the very optimum level of their abilities, they'd still be, just, sort of... okayish, I suppose.
Plus the thought that Benteke has undergone a Torresian metamorphosis from unstoppable, megastar, goal-machine striker to utter shite, never to return, is just too depressing and I refuse even to consider the possibility.
He'll come good. He has to. Or any slim possibility of survival ceases to exist.
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bitches!
Have you been watching Breaking Bad again?
Fo sho!
I knew it yo.
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Probably 90% of managers in the world. The approx £2m a year for starters.
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You don't have to have a manager/assistant/coach who was a forward. BFR was never more than a very limited wing-half (asy your dad) but style-wise his teams were as good as it got.
Agreed - someone who understands the attacking side of the game, which is clearly missing. Having a manager who doesn't see that gaping hole in either his own knowledge and/or his current coaching set-up should be a sack-able offence in of itself.
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What I will never get is that in the first season we played some fantastic attacking stuff. It's one of the reasons I was fully supportive of Lambert all that season. As the squad has got better our attacking ability gets less, how is that possible?
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He added: "The first goal was really disappointing as we were on top and started the game really well. The ball has travelled 60 or 70 yards from their goalkeeper.
It's this kind of crap that annoys me. Thompson said hull were very much on top before that scores. Utter nonsense.
By the way reading that interview sounds as if its a leaving speech.
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OS
Paul Lambert has told his players they must treat every game as a cup final from now until the end of the season as they look to bounce back from the defeat at Hull.
Lambert described the dressing room as "flat as you'll probably get it" after the 2-0 loss to the Tigers on Tuesday.
Villa are currently in the bottom three in the Barclays Premier League but Lambert has called on his players to fight with everything they've got to power away from the drop zone between now and the end of the current campaign.
Lambert is confident his players will climb the table but reiterated the need for character in the final run-in.
He said: "I probably can't describe how low we're feeling right now. As a group we're down.
"I just told them we've got thirteen cup finals and we have to win these cup finals that are coming our way.
"There will be a few other teams that'll be fighting with you to stay in this league.
"You have to make sure you're out of that bottom three.
"I've just said to the lads there are two ways you can go about it. You can meet it head on or you buckle under it. And you make sure you don't buckle for your own career.
"You've got to go into the next game and win it. You can't feel sorry for yourself.
"You've got to pick yourself up and you've got to go again.
"This football club is a great football club. It's huge. The supporters will expect a reaction. They have the biggest thirteen games of their careers coming up.
"I still believe, 100%. I still believe that the football club will be fine.
"There are good players in the dressing room. There's no two ways about.
"We're just missing that little bit in the final third. We have thirteen cup finals on our hands, that's the big thing. But I still believe 100% that Villa will be fine.
"Everyone will have to show character. From me right down, big players always rise to it anyway.
"This will be a test for everybody but, as I said to them, a lot of teams are going to be there with you. That's going to happen so you have to be ready for it.
"We have got to win ugly now. This is not the time for playing pretty football. No matter how you do it, you have to win.
"We try to play the game the right way. Now you have to win ugly to get points.
"I have no doubt we have enough leaders. There are big characters in the dressing room to see it through."
Lambert lamented the manner of the Tigers goals as he spoke to the press after the final whistle.
He added: "The first goal was really disappointing as we were on top and started the game really well. The ball has travelled 60 or 70 yards from their goalkeeper.
"We never dealt with it. That goal gives their stadium a lift.
"We're chasing the game from there.
"Even the second goal is a short free-kick that went into the box and we never dealt with that particularly well.
"We had enough of the ball to do better than we did in the last third.
"If you look at the players we had on the pitch, we had Gabby Agbonlahor, Carles Gil, Joe Cole - you've got so many options attacking-wise.
"Tonight it didn't go for us but we went with an attacking line-up.
"That's not just labelled at the forward lads. Collectively as a group we never did enough."
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What I will never get is that in the first season we played some fantastic attacking stuff. It's one of the reasons I was fully supportive of Lambert all that season. As the squad has got better our attacking ability gets less, how is that possible?
Beginners luck, more than judgement? And the fact that we were coming off the back of a season with McLeish, so ANY team was going to look more creative after that! ;)
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What I will never get is that in the first season we played some fantastic attacking stuff. It's one of the reasons I was fully supportive of Lambert all that season. As the squad has got better our attacking ability gets less, how is that possible?
Yes but it always needed building upon and instead he's just allowed it to stagnate season by season. The run-in last season, where we barely survived, should have been a huge wake-up call but it was still never addressed.
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Sorry but I can't bring myself to read the shit that comes out of that clueless twat's mouth.
I tried, honestly but by line 3 or 4 I gave in.
Been there, done it, not going again.
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"You've got to pick yourself up and you've got to go again.
Let me rephrase that for you Paul.... "You've got to pick yourself up and get the fook out of our football club, and never come back EVER AGAIN!"
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62% possession.
0% goal threat.
It's looking good for those 13 cup finals then...
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"You've got to pick yourself up and you've got to go again.
Let me rephrase that for you Paul.... "You've got to pick yourself up and get the fook out of our football club, and never come back EVER AGAIN!"
You've got to pick up your P45 up and leave it on Tom's desk.
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OS
Paul Lambert has told his players they must treat every game as a cup final from now until the end of the season as they look to bounce back from the defeat at Hull.
Lambert described the dressing room as "flat as you'll probably get it" after the 2-0 loss to the Tigers on Tuesday.
Villa are currently in the bottom three in the Barclays Premier League but Lambert has called on his players to fight with everything they've got to power away from the drop zone between now and the end of the current campaign.
Lambert is confident his players will climb the table but reiterated the need for character in the final run-in.
He said: "I probably can't describe how low we're feeling right now. As a group we're down.
"I just told them we've got thirteen cup finals and we have to win these cup finals that are coming our way.
"There will be a few other teams that'll be fighting with you to stay in this league.
"You have to make sure you're out of that bottom three.
"I've just said to the lads there are two ways you can go about it. You can meet it head on or you buckle under it. And you make sure you don't buckle for your own career.
"You've got to go into the next game and win it. You can't feel sorry for yourself.
"You've got to pick yourself up and you've got to go again.
"This football club is a great football club. It's huge. The supporters will expect a reaction. They have the biggest thirteen games of their careers coming up.
"I still believe, 100%. I still believe that the football club will be fine.
"There are good players in the dressing room. There's no two ways about.
"We're just missing that little bit in the final third. We have thirteen cup finals on our hands, that's the big thing. But I still believe 100% that Villa will be fine.
"Everyone will have to show character. From me right down, big players always rise to it anyway.
"This will be a test for everybody but, as I said to them, a lot of teams are going to be there with you. That's going to happen so you have to be ready for it.
"We have got to win ugly now. This is not the time for playing pretty football. No matter how you do it, you have to win.
"We try to play the game the right way. Now you have to win ugly to get points.
"I have no doubt we have enough leaders. There are big characters in the dressing room to see it through."
Lambert lamented the manner of the Tigers goals as he spoke to the press after the final whistle.
He added: "The first goal was really disappointing as we were on top and started the game really well. The ball has travelled 60 or 70 yards from their goalkeeper.
"We never dealt with it. That goal gives their stadium a lift.
"We're chasing the game from there.
"Even the second goal is a short free-kick that went into the box and we never dealt with that particularly well.
"We had enough of the ball to do better than we did in the last third.
"If you look at the players we had on the pitch, we had Gabby Agbonlahor, Carles Gil, Joe Cole - you've got so many options attacking-wise.
"Tonight it didn't go for us but we went with an attacking line-up.
"That's not just labelled at the forward lads. Collectively as a group we never did enough."
Thing is with Lambert and that clown Lerner in charge even if they managed to pick themselves up and claw their way out of danger, those that don't manage to get a transfer out will face the same soul destroying struggle next year, while we will have the soul destroying task of watching them go about it.
And on that cheerful note I will wish you all a pleasant evening.
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FFS i'm done. Until he's gone I just cannae take any more of the shit he's serving up.
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Sorry but I can't bring myself to read the shit that comes out of that clueless twat's mouth.
I tried, honestly but by line 3 or 4 I gave in.
Been there, done it, not going again.
The best line was, "We have got to win ugly now. This is not the time for pretty football". I don't know about you but I will miss all that pretty football I have been watching week in week out for the last couple of years.
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I watched it in the pub. I've no idea who the co-commentator was but he was absolutely slaughtering us at times. He was right as well, we were awful.
Indeed, I cant help you with who it was, other than the clues were that he was a striker in his playing days,but his observations on our lack of movement and desire were spot on.
At the very least they've got to appoint an Assistant Manager who used to be a forward and understands forward play and movement. Someone like Dean Saunders for instance.
I think the time for tinkering with coaching staff has gone. We need a change of manager. Although your wild and crazy idea of actually having an assistant manager might be worth considering. It might even catch on.
If the manager is going nowhere then we MUST bring in an assistant on a short term contract to inject some fresh ideas into the changing room. The situation as it stands is madness. What's Rene Meulensteen up to? Lambert/Fox, get on the blower and get him in. Likewise, bring Peter Withe and Garry Shaw in to work with the strikers and breathe some life and passion into them. We need a whole new approach and freshen-up for the run-in.
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"If you look at the players we had on the pitch, we had Gabby Agbonlahor, Carles Gil, Joe Cole - you've got so many options attacking-wise."
There's a village missing its idiot somewhere. Gabby has been washed up as an attacking force for ages, and Joe Cole has all the pace and mobility of roadkill. Honestly, every word he (m)utters is just completely inane drivel.
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"You have to make sure you're out of that bottom three."
Cheers, Plato.
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Cock Piss Lambert
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I miss the mentalism of the first season. I felt every game we would smash them or get smashed. But either way we'd be going for it.
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Some real beauties in there. I see "Got to go again" got yet another airing, but it's the "we've got to win ugly now" that has got me. How much uglier can it get? I must have missed the games where we've been playing like the 1970 Brazil team up to this point.
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Sorry but I can't bring myself to read the shit that comes out of that clueless twat's mouth.
I tried, honestly but by line 3 or 4 I gave in.
Been there, done it, not going again.
The best line was, "We have got to win ugly now. This is not the time for pretty football". I don't know about you but I will miss all that pretty football I have been watching week in week out for the last couple of years.
Bastard, you're trying to make me read it, aren't you, Damo?
Honestly, I'm beyond anger, I'm actually feeling a sense of relief that soon, very soon, the fool will be gone. Is it wrong to feel so positive tonight?*
*I still think the board will try and stick it out until the end of the season.
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"If you look at the players we had on the pitch, we had Gabby Agbonlahor, Carles Gil, Joe Cole - you've got so many options attacking-wise."
There's a village missing its idiot somewhere. Gabby has been washed up as an attacking force for ages, and Joe Cole has all the pace and mobility of roadkill. Honestly, every word he (m)utters is just completely inane drivel.
You could have Messi, Ronaldo and Aguero on the pitch but if they stood around, didn't move and didn't get into the box they would be about as much use as Captain Hook at a gynaecologists convention
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I reckon we should all PM TSOV one sentence at a time of what Lambert said.
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Not got much to say about the game as we all watched.
One thing I always said about Lambert was that when he was under pressure he knew how to scrape a result from somewhere, that's now gone and I wouldn't go into any of the remaining games expecting anything but defeats with him at the helm.
I still don't expect him to go but he should do for his health, he looked incredibly stressed on the bench after the second and tears didn't look too far away.
I have felt that he has looked like a broken man for some time. This may well be why he has lost the ability to inspire the players.
Lerner needs to take some responsibility as an owner and deal with the issue
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Sorry but I can't bring myself to read the shit that comes out of that clueless twat's mouth.
I tried, honestly but by line 3 or 4 I gave in.
Been there, done it, not going again.
You can't read it? Try listening to him ....now that is excruciatingly painful.
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I miss the mentalism of the first season. I felt every game we would smash them or get smashed. But either way we'd be going for it.
Yep. After the horrors over Christmas and against Bradford and Millwall, there were some good games towards the end of that season. Right up until the end, every game had something on it, as we were invariably playing to either get out or stay out of the bottom three. The 3-2 home win over QPR was particularly dramatic.
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We controlled large periods of play against Chelsea and Liverpool that season as well. Nowadays we couldn't even give them an itch on the arse.
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I reckon we should all PM TSOV one sentence at a time of what Lambert said.
Bastard, I'm still recovering from the shock today of finally discovering that Matthew bloody Vaughn is married to Claudia Schiffer.
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Sorry but I can't bring myself to read the shit that comes out of that clueless twat's mouth.
I tried, honestly but by line 3 or 4 I gave in.
Been there, done it, not going again.
You can't read it? Try listening to him ....now that is excruciatingly painful.
I'd rather be locked in a room with no food or drink until I'd heard the complete record collection of UK Redsox. Not going there.
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Sorry but I can't bring myself to read the shit that comes out of that clueless twat's mouth.
I tried, honestly but by line 3 or 4 I gave in.
Been there, done it, not going again.
You can't read it? Try listening to him ....now that is excruciatingly painful.
I'd rather be locked in a room with no food or drink until I'd heard the complete record collection of UK Redsox. Not going there.
I would rather watch PWS's movie collection.
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Sorry but I can't bring myself to read the shit that comes out of that clueless twat's mouth.
I tried, honestly but by line 3 or 4 I gave in.
Been there, done it, not going again.
You can't read it? Try listening to him ....now that is excruciatingly painful.
I'd rather be locked in a room with no food or drink until I'd heard the complete record collection of UK Redsox. Not going there.
I would rather watch PWS's movie collection.
Sicko!
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There's a village missing its idiot somewhere.
That or similar was in my mind when I read his retake tonight of second half v Bradford. It's almost like pleading " look I did everything I could" .
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Too fucking angry to begin to express. Shower of shit. No pride. No hope.
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And who wouldn't want to watch my film collection? It includes this recent purchase.
(http://www.brutalashell.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Robo-Geisha_RoboGeisha_2DSleeve.jpg)
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If it's as good as Machine Girl, you're in for a treat.
One of Dame Judi Dench's finest roles.
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Heard you also have Sound of Music and the Railway Children?
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Heard you also have Sound of Music and the Railway Children?
No but i've got this as well.
(http://oneguyrambling.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/tokyo_gore_police.jpg)
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If it's as good as Machine Girl, you're in for a treat.
One of Dame Judi Dench's finest roles.
As good as this?
(http://www.screamhorrormag.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Bring-Me-The-Head-DVD.jpg)
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Well if orient takes you mind off the Villa very well!
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Anyway was thus another first for Lambert tonight the first ever win by Hull over Villa in the top flight?
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First win ever in a proper match I think. They may well have beaten us in a friendly in the midsts of time.
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First win ever in a proper match I think. They may well have beaten us in a friendly in the midsts of time.
They've beaten us a few times over the years.
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They beat us the last time we were in the second tier according to the commentator
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They've beaten us 5 times before, all in the second division.
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Okay, dunno where I got that stat from. Maybe I'm getting them mixed up by some other team we have a good record against. Gravesend or Bayern Munich. Some shite like that.
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Heard you also have Sound of Music and the Railway Children?
His Railway Children DVD is a Japanese version where headless kids who were tied to the tracks come back to get their revenge.
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Too fucking angry to begin to express. Shower of shit. No pride. No hope.
No surprise.
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I don't really know what to say. I shouted for the manager to go, never done that before. We are going down.
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Surely Lerner put in the contract . If villa drop into bottom three I can sack you with no compensation.
Didn't he 😡
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Heard you also have Sound of Music and the Railway Children?
His Railway Children DVD is a Japanese version where headless kids who were tied to the tracks come back to get their revenge.
Or this. Which is good, despite Vinnie Jones. Although it helps he hardly says a word.
(http://widescreen.mobi/wp-content/uploads/the-midnight-meat-train-photos-4.jpg)
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Surely Lerner put in the contract . If villa drop into bottom three I can sack you with no compensation.
Didn't he 😡
No, because that's never been in any manager's contract, ever.
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Surely Lerner put in the contract . If villa drop into bottom three I can sack you with no compensation.
Didn't he 😡
No, because that's never been in any manager's contract, ever.
If anybody knows, it is The Oracle.
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Fuck off Troy you Queensland bumpkin
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Surely Lerner put in the contract . If villa drop into bottom three I can sack you with no compensation.
Didn't he 😡
No, because that's never been in any manager's contract, ever.
I bet Doug tried to sneak it in on occasions. Possibly in faint yellow felt tip.
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I'm still shocked he got that contract.
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Somewhere out there in the wilds of Knowle, there is another dour Scottish manager feeling pretty smug about our current situation, while he counts his millions.
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The only positive I can draw from tonight is it's still mid-February and finally the Villa fans are united.
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Amazing really, Ian Holloway quite rightly got given a load of shit for calling us "a half arsed club that used to be famous"
I honestly can't think of a better desciption of Aston Villa Football Club now.
Fucking Pricks.
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Hull played a flat back five, halfway through the second half they brought Ramierez on for Jelivic to put 10 men behind the ball. Did we up the tempo, press our midfield higher? Did we fuck.
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Heard you also have Sound of Music and the Railway Children?
His Railway Children DVD is a Japanese version where headless kids who were tied to the tracks come back to get their revenge.
Or this. Which is good, despite Vinnie Jones. Although it helps he hardly says a word.
(http://widescreen.mobi/wp-content/uploads/the-midnight-meat-train-photos-4.jpg)
Midnight Meat Train sounds like gay porn.
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I know we've been shit at set pieces for the last 3 years too but tonight was the worst series of crossing a ball I've seen for a long time. There is no way you can practice and be as bad at it as we are.
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Surely Lerner put in the contract . If villa drop into bottom three I can sack you with no compensation.
Didn't he 😡
No, because that's never been in any manager's contract, ever.
If anybody knows, it is The Oracle.
Toodles, Troy. Looking forward to banning your next incarnation already.
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Back about 10 minutes ago, having left home 13 hours ago.
It wasn't worth it.
I had hope. I was optimistic. I was positive.
Foolish?
Lambert's total lack of a plan, tactics, approach, style, whatever, has turned a collection of reasonable players into a useless embarrassment...for themselves, "the team", (the business), the fans and this wonderfully historic football club.
If he walked out tomorrow and I took over I couldn't guarantee we'd stay up.
But I could guarantee that we would not be any worse.
If it ain't broke don't fix it.
If it IS broke, fix it fast or it's gonna be well and truly fu**ed for a long time.
It looks pretty broke to me.
Fix the fu**er Randy, Tom.
I beg you, fix the fu**er!
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He will not get us out of this without help.
Randy/Fox take some ownership and act like leaders. If you are not going to sack him, give him some help.
McAllister pulled Houllier,s team together and missed the drop, give him a short term contract.
Lambert is a beaten man and is heading for disaster
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Although I'm not a Villa fan I was at tonights game with a few friends and what I saw was truly shocking and I'll try to explain why. My team play at Conference North level and obviously the players on the pitch for Villa are light years ahead of ours in terms of natural ability. However, every time we play there is total commitment, fight, heart, desire, and a bloody minded determination to win. From our manager there is organisation, leadership and an ability to affect the game if it isn't going our way. We don't win every game but anyone that beats us knows they've been in a fight. From Villa I saw nothing of these qualities from either players or manager to such a degree that I would actually fancy our chances if we were to play you. We had to change our manager earlier this season and it isn't an easy decision to make but with Villa's record being so poor it borders on negligence to have let it go this far. I genuinely wish you all the luck in the world for the rest of the season and hope you are in the Premier League next season but unless a change of manager is made now I fear the worst. I hope my comments are accepted in the spirit that they are made as I have total respect fo Aston Villa football club and it's fans, with my own club being just 15 miles from Birmingham, I am aware of what a great club it is.
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Sadly ,the result tonight was nothing more than i expected. Like others have said on here earlier,it has got to the point where i have started to actually feel hate for the idiot we call a manager.However the man i despise the most is the owner. He treats his customers as he calls us, with a lack of respect.He just ignores us ,while he sits at home doing and saying nothing.
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Did not kick off here till 23.45hrs, so like a bloody fool I stayed up. My wife who doesn't know alot about football kept on saying how quite I was, that was from the off.
It just feels like death by a thousand cuts, I feel like not watching us again till May when it is all over, I wont , I will be back watching Sunday and that's someone who is miles away, have none off the day to day piss take that you guys must be taking, never mind the guys spending a great big chunk of their wages, that they probably cant afford, to follow the once great AVFC all over the country, been there done that.
What ever action or non action that is taken, does anybody at AVFC, Players, Manager, Top Management realise and more importantly give a f..k what pain and suffering they are putting the supporters of this great club through.
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Must get rid of this toss-pot now so that he can join the list of great Scottish managers who have failed us.........Docherty, McNeill, McLeish and Lambert!
COME ON LERNER - ACT TONIGHT AND SACK HIM - ADMIT TO ALL THAT LAMBERT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN GIVEN A NEW CONTRACT!!!!!
little bit harsh to say MacLeish failed us. He kept us up just, unlike the others
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Since we can write off Man U, Man City and Spurs away it's actually 10 cup finals.
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Sadly ,the result tonight was nothing more than i expected. Like others have said on here earlier,it has got to the point where i have started to actually feel hate for the idiot we call a manager.However the man i despise the most is the owner. He treats his customers as he calls us, with a lack of respect.He just ignores us ,while he sits at home doing and saying nothing.
Yes, me too my friend
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Sadly ,the result tonight was nothing more than i expected. Like others have said on here earlier,it has got to the point where i have started to actually feel hate for the idiot we call a manager.However the man i despise the most is the owner. He treats his customers as he calls us, with a lack of respect.He just ignores us ,while he sits at home doing and saying nothing.
Yes, me too my friend
Thirded.
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I don't hate Randy, I don't hate Plumbert, but the time has come, he must fall on his sword or be sacked! I feel so sad to see my club slowly dying. Plumbert must be put out of his misery and a replacement found NOW !
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Sadly ,the result tonight was nothing more than i expected. Like others have said on here earlier,it has got to the point where i have started to actually feel hate for the idiot we call a manager.However the man i despise the most is the owner. He treats his customers as he calls us, with a lack of respect.He just ignores us ,while he sits at home doing and saying nothing.
Contempt for the fans. I've said it for a while. Lerner is a disgrace of an owner , he's a selfish vein spoiled idiot.
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I'm so angry I feel like screaming. If Lambert has any pride left he will resign straight away. How can he possibly carry on after this debacle? He's had too long to sort this out and has no excuses any more, if he was in any other job and was performing so badly he would have gone long ago.
What a f%&king embarrassment.
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Any news?
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Any news?
Randy's got a coffee enema at 09.30 before primal scream / ayurvedic hot yoga therapy with Dr Kozlowski at noon.
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Some real beauties in there. I see "Got to go again" got yet another airing, but it's the "we've got to win ugly now" that has got me. How much uglier can it get? I must have missed the games where we've been playing like the 1970 Brazil team up to this point.
'Got to win ugly now'. I think that's a signpost of another Lambert change of philosophy. I'm staggered by how fucking clueless the club seem to be.
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"Got to win ugly now" hopefully a sign that backwards goal kicks are a thing of the past .
I expect to see Baker up front with benteke before long now . Hooooooooooof
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Two comments to make before I give H&V a break. Mr Lerner,we know, would like to sell the club but he is the person in power that has the authority to sack this hapless manager.
Mr Lambert if he had any kind of intelligence would have have realised the game is up and for the sake of his mental health he should resign.
There is no way he should be allowed to carry on and relegate this magnificent club. Mr Lerner act and act now!
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I'm so angry I feel like screaming. If Lambert has any pride left he will resign straight away. How can he possibly carry on after this debacle? He's had too long to sort this out and has no excuses any more, if he was in any other job and was performing so badly he would have gone long ago.
What a f%&king embarrassment.
Me too. I actually feel quite ill this morning and totally lacking in any get up and go. It is the sheer frustration of it all that gets to you so much. Having people in charge who don't care and not being able to do anything about it. It eats away at you every day
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Fair and accurate comment Manxman. Thanks.
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Sorry but I can't bring myself to read the shit that comes out of that clueless twat's mouth.
I tried, honestly but by line 3 or 4 I gave in.
Been there, done it, not going again.
You can't read it? Try listening to him ....now that is excruciatingly painful.
I'd rather be locked in a room with no food or drink until I'd heard the complete record collection of UK Redsox. Not going there.
Oi..... what have I done
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I'm still shocked he got that contract.
Of everything that's gone on this season, that's still the thing that puzzles me the most. There was no reason, even after a decent start to the season, to extend his deal
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The 4 year contract extension is turning out to be a curse. Benteke, Lambert, Agbonlahor and Delphi have already deteriorated post signing it.
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The only positive I can draw from tonight is it's still mid-February and finally the Villa fans are united.
We're all agreed that Troy is a c**t?
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Missing out on Laudrup.
Going to QPR apparently :(
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I actually don't know how we've got here. Decades of Sky money, a billionaire owner, training facilities to be envied, a super stadium, a loyal fan base that travels in numbers and the only team north of London and south of Manchester with the potential to compete on a European level.
What a Fxxx up!
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Missing out on Laudrup.
Going to QPR apparently :(
Discussing possible replacements over recent weeks he was the one I'd like to have seen us go for.
It shows a clear sense of ambition.
I have no doubt his appointment will give QPR the kind of boost that we are fu**ing desperate for!
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God almighty, where do you even start with that?
Started off with lots of the ball, but never looked threatening. No doubt a freakish goal, but I never thought he'd get back into the game.
Relegation looks inevitable now. The fight has gone.
The goal was fortunate, but it just goes to show what can happen when you actually try to maneuver the ball towards the opponent's goal and force them to defend.
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Any news?
Randy's got a coffee enema at 09.30 before primal scream / ayurvedic hot yoga therapy with Dr Kozlowski at noon.
Can somebody put some hot chilli sauce in his coffee! He deserves a burning bum.
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Different times!! 1969
http://article.wn.com/view/2012/08/24/Tommy_Docherty_Busy_Start_to_the_Season/
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Different times!! 1969
http://article.wn.com/view/2012/08/24/Tommy_Docherty_Busy_Start_to_the_Season/
Good old St Mirren!
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Nice to see the Captain and one of us GA, come over to clap the travelling fans..............the contempt the whole club are treating fans with lately is really boiling my piss
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Who'd be the interim manager? There's no experienced assistant, either. Cluster fuck.
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Who'd be the interim manager? There's no experienced assistant, either. Cluster fuck.
I am now convinced that this is by design. Lambert knows that with a decent Assistant he could get the push and the Assistant step in. He really has built a bunker Hitler would be proud of.
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I actually don't know how we've got here. Decades of Sky money, a billionaire owner, training facilities to be envied, a super stadium, a loyal fan base that travels in numbers and the only team north of London and south of Manchester with the potential to compete on a European level.
What a Fxxx up!
8/9 years of total mismanagement has got a lot to do with it.
What we're seeing now is the culmination of that.
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I actually don't know how we've got here. Decades of Sky money, a billionaire owner, training facilities to be envied, a super stadium, a loyal fan base that travels in numbers and the only team north of London and south of Manchester with the potential to compete on a European level.
What a Fxxx up!
If this was in government parlance, there would be a public enquiry.Villa?
Nah, take your medicine you irrelevant middling nonentity.
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Any news?
It's tea break time in my office. I assume something similar is happening at Bodymore Heath!
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Anyone got access to this? It won't change anything but is a great summation of Villas ongoing problems..
ATV Today: 16.12.1969: Interview with Tommy Docherty
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Watching us is like watching a man with no teeth trying to eat a steak.
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I don’t really understand the players. Are they so in thrall of a manager’s instructions that they refuse to go “bollocks to this I’m ignoring him”?
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Missing out on Laudrup.
Going to QPR apparently :(
Discussing possible replacements over recent weeks he was the one I'd like to have seen us go for.
It shows a clear sense of ambition.
I have no doubt his appointment will give QPR the kind of boost that we are fu**ing desperate for!
My thoughts exactly
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According to SSN sources he isn't now going to QPR?
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fuck me is there even the slimmest of chances that he's on his way to BH?
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I doubt Lerner has ever heard of him!
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Bear in mind Swansea under Laudrup were accused of passing their way to death without end product, are we absolutely sure he is the man at this time for this situation?
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Laudrup left Swansea as thier results where close to as bad as ours they had been found out.
In anycase he has gone to the middle east for one last big pay day he isnt coming back to Europe to manage unless it a huge club and huge money which frankly his record doesnt deserve.
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Let's hope he's showing up at BH as a player, not as the new manager.
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Let's hope he's showing up at BH as a player, not as the new manager.
He'd probably have more impact than Joe Cole.
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He'll probably have to do it on his own with some solo goal stuff though, given none of our players understand the concept of running onto a throughball.
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I don’t really understand the players. Are they so in thrall of a manager’s instructions that they refuse to go “bollocks to this I’m ignoring him”?
Nope. Our problems are compounded by the complete and utter lack of football brains in the side. In terms of footballing intelligence we have Cole and maybe Gil (too early to tell). Why else was it Cole and not Gabby that almost got to the Benteke knockdown? Because he had the nouse.
Gabby looks like he has enough trouble remembering how to breathe, let alone anticipate where the ball will go.
If we had a great manager, he'd tell the dumb players to do this that and the other, they'd do it and it would reap results. Unfortunately we have a manager who tells dumb players to do dumb things.
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Who'd be the interim manager? There's no experienced assistant, either. Cluster fuck.
I am now convinced that this is by design. Lambert knows that with a decent Assistant he could get the push and the Assistant step in. He really has built a bunker Hitler would be proud of.
This is definitely a problem and really, if the club had no intention of sacking him before the transfer window, they should have forced his hand over employing an assistant manager. Can you imagine an airline allowing a pilot to keep flying a plane without a captain alongside him?! Especially if the pilot had a history of near misses...
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Laudrup's record at Swansea isn't all that great in win % terms:
PL: 84
W: 29
D: 24
L: 31
Win %: 34.5%
His previous spells at Spartak Moscow and Mallorca weren't that great either.
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LERNER must go and take Lambert with him.
looking forward to the championship,ie second division
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As Scottish actor John Laurie in Dad's Army was want to say: "We're doomed!"
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Bear in mind Swansea under Laudrup were accused of passing their way to death without end product, are we absolutely sure he is the man at this time for this situation?
If his name is not Paul Lambert, then he's the man.
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Bear in mind Swansea under Laudrup were accused of passing their way to death without end product, are we absolutely sure he is the man at this time for this situation?
If his name is not Paul Lambert, then he's the man.
Careful, there are other men called things such as 'Steve Kean' and 'Stuart Pearce' who I wouldn't exactly be preparing the red carpet for.
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I thought when the OPR owner said he had his dream manager, he was going to poach Lambert from B6 and pay Randy loads of compensation ;D
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I think he meant it was his dream, not ours!
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Had a look on an 'Ull site and they were pretty much all saying 'Ull were shit but Villa are by far the worst team to play at the KC this season and that includes the home team.
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Ah, it makes me so proud.
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Laudrup's record at Swansea isn't all that great in win % terms:
PL: 84
W: 29
D: 24
L: 31
Win %: 34.5%
His previous spells at Spartak Moscow and Mallorca weren't that great either.
You forget the small matter of winning the league cup as well
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Had a look on an 'Ull site and they were pretty much all saying 'Ull were shit but Villa are by far the worst team to play at the KC this season and that includes the home team.
I've just done a random search upon reading your post. The first site I came to had a thread at the top of the page called "Aston Villa are fucking awful".
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Sounds like a thread on a Villa site to be fair.
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Tim Sherwood 2/1?? NFW!! Is there some sort of JobCentre scheme for ex-managers?
Let's start an Ole Gunnar Solskjaer rumour again! I can only hope!
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/football-specials/manager-specials/Next-Permanent-Aston-Villa-Manager-6833672.html?force_racing_css=N
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Although I'm not a Villa fan I was at tonights game with a few friends and what I saw was truly shocking and I'll try to explain why. My team play at Conference North level and obviously the players on the pitch for Villa are light years ahead of ours in terms of natural ability. However, every time we play there is total commitment, fight, heart, desire, and a bloody minded determination to win. From our manager there is organisation, leadership and an ability to affect the game if it isn't going our way. We don't win every game but anyone that beats us knows they've been in a fight. From Villa I saw nothing of these qualities from either players or manager to such a degree that I would actually fancy our chances if we were to play you. We had to change our manager earlier this season and it isn't an easy decision to make but with Villa's record being so poor it borders on negligence to have let it go this far. I genuinely wish you all the luck in the world for the rest of the season and hope you are in the Premier League next season but unless a change of manager is made now I fear the worst. I hope my comments are accepted in the spirit that they are made as I have total respect fo Aston Villa football club and it's fans, with my own club being just 15 miles from Birmingham, I am aware of what a great club it is.
Greetings fellow Tamworth fan. Do I know you?
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As Scottish actor John Laurie in Dad's Army was want to say: "We're doomed!"
I texted that to Chico last night!
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What's that bloody song they do, like a duet
We're the East stand blah blah
We're the north stand blah blah.
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What's that bloody song they do, like a duet
We're the East stand blah blah
We're the north stand blah blah.
I think it's that one.
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What's that bloody song they do, like a duet
We're the East stand blah blah
We're the north stand blah blah.
I think it's that one.
I was disappointed they didn't do a rendition of the tiger maul number
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One of the few enjoyable aspects last night was the interplay (I refuse to use the B word) between the two sets of fans. I think the home supporters seemed to be more sympathetic towards our pain than they might otherwise have been.
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Do they think we're English again?
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One of the few enjoyable aspects last night was the interplay (I refuse to use the B word) between the two sets of fans. I think the home supporters seemed to be more sympathetic towards our pain than they might otherwise have been.
I think they were a little bemused that we joined in with their songs about how shit we were.
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Laudrup's record at Swansea isn't all that great in win % terms:
PL: 84
W: 29
D: 24
L: 31
Win %: 34.5%
His previous spells at Spartak Moscow and Mallorca weren't that great either.
You forget the small matter of winning the league cup as well
I didn't forget it, I just didn't think it was relevant to the Premier League. McLeish won the League Cup too, and had a tougher opponent than Bradford City in the Final.
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Laudrup's record at Swansea isn't all that great in win % terms:
PL: 84
W: 29
D: 24
L: 31
Win %: 34.5%
His previous spells at Spartak Moscow and Mallorca weren't that great either.
You forget the small matter of winning the league cup as well
I didn't forget it, I just didn't think it was relevant to the Premier League. McLeish won the League Cup too, and had a tougher opponent than Bradford City in the Final.
They did beat Chelsea though. Over two legs as well.
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One of the few enjoyable aspects last night was the interplay (I refuse to use the B word) between the two sets of fans. I think the home supporters seemed to be more sympathetic towards our pain than they might otherwise have been.
I think they were a little bemused that we joined in with their songs about how shit we were.
Surreal night in some ways. The bloke next to me was rocking backwards and forwards most of the 90 mins and singing very badly out of tune
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Tim Sherwood 2/1?? NFW!! Is there some sort of JobCentre scheme for ex-managers?
Let's start an Ole Gunnar Solskjær rumour again! I can only hope!
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/football-specials/manager-specials/Next-Permanent-Aston-Villa-Manager-6833672.html?force_racing_css=N
Next manager betting markets by their nature tend to be random. But that is fantastically random.
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I've said it numerous times, this fucking manager is nothing more than a chancer. Completely out of his depth & it's been displayed for all to see time and again. Culverhouse & Karsa were the scapegoats last season & Keane walked after witnessing the inept performance at QPR. There's no one else left to blame except Lambert. We haven't even got an assistant to step in if we sacked him tomorrow.
We all know, Dweedle Dee & Dweedle Dumb up front offer zero goal threat, it was confirmed for all to see when Benteke was out last season. Yet, Lambert chose to do nothing about it. Why he thinks they will suddenly start to offer a goal threat is astounding.
Sinclair has played fuck all football for 3 years & it shows.
Joe Cole was blowing out of his arse 10 minutes after coming on.
We all wanted it to work & we've been incredibly tolerant, but enough is enough.
Summed quite perfectly
I had hoped that he had a Fergie period and at some point it would round and he could have the last laugh. I was wrong he is a clueless muppet
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I don’t really understand the players. Are they so in thrall of a manager’s instructions that they refuse to go “bollocks to this I’m ignoring him”?
A lot of them are quite young and considering the 2nd and 3rd in command was sacked for alleged bullying of players maybe they all just keep their heads down. It is also alleged that Lowton crossed Lambert and has been given the cold shoulder ever since
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As for the bizarre reason behind the issuing of 4 year contract I would not mind betting that it was based on the fact that Lerner thought the club would be sold and that any new owner would have to pay him off.
Sale did not materialise and now we are stuck with paying the contract up in full
What a load of shambolic cock we have turned into
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One of the few enjoyable aspects last night was the interplay (I refuse to use the B word) between the two sets of fans. I think the home supporters seemed to be more sympathetic towards our pain than they might otherwise have been.
I think they were a little bemused that we joined in with their songs about how shit we were.
Surreal night in some ways. The bloke next to me was rocking backwards and forwards most of the 90 mins and singing very badly out of tune
Sounds like you were standing next to me silhill!
Just to confirm: was screaming and biting involved?
Sometimes I black out.