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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on February 01, 2015, 03:06:15 PM
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Pathetic.
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Embarassing.
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Is it 5-0 yet?
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Crap as I know we are, that score is an embarrassment
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Same as it ever was. This is not my beautiful villa. Well, how did we get here?
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Shambles. No idea, no passion, no plan. Go 1 - 0 down and we just wave the white flag.
We're relegated.
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Who will rid us of this turbulent thick twit?
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We played ok in patches but there were some woeful individual errors. The Richardson one to make it 2-0 killed the game. Gil was very good again but fuck me, Sanchez and Benteke were fucking shit. I don't recall a player making as many shit passes as Sanchez did today. Grant Holt and Eric Double D would have been more effective for us.
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Sacked in the morning please.
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It's no fun being shit.
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Lambert is a man without a clear footballing philosophy or idea about how he wants his team to play. And it shows.
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I can't wait for the interview
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Laughing stock.
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expect cleverley and benteke to start next week
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A disgrace, special mention must go to Sanchez as the only thing he managed to do properly was put his shirt on the right way round.
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Fuck me that was brutal!.'E's gorra go Tom!
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Pitiful, shameful, spineless, clueless take your pick. It's an absolute embarrassment and other than Gil all those who started were terrible. I'm bored of saying it, but he must be fired and I dare him to say they were excellent. Oh yes, another game without a goal brilliant. If he stays in charge we are going down.
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FFS
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Curbishley.
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An absolute disgrace. What concerns me is that there was a real lack of fight today. I wasn't too concerned about relegation but having seen that today we are in deep shit.
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I would like to see anyone in their right mind defend the Lambert and Lerner fiasco.
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Got to be the most consistently depressing period I can remember as a Villa fan. I am 32, so have not seen some of the darker times admittedly, but this is like a never ending run of turgid shit, with no balls, no plan, no want, no hope. We are going fucking down. The piss take is the squad is much better than most of the sides from 10th down now.
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I thought we were excellent-except for being crap.
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That was embarrassing, shameful, disinterested, uncommitted, workshy, lacking in quality, skill, desire, fight and brains.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Lambert defends it.
This, we are told, is a club going in the right direction. I think I saw Delph rushing off the pitch to throttle his agent.
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Is it 5-0 yet?
Erm I knew it
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Not even his most humiliating defeat. That, in itself, is a humiliation. We don't play football anymore, we're just there as a fixture commitment.
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Sacked in the morning please.
Clearly that isn't going to happen with him, Lerner and Fox as thick as thieves. So that said I am fully expecting relegation but hoping for a miracle.
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Absolutely disgraceful. If he doesn't go after that there should be a boycott of the Chelsea game, something has to be done about this.
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I would like to see anyone in their right mind defend the Lambert and Lerner fiasco.
This is the problem though. The fans are split between venting at one of the other. Lerner is a longer term issue, in the short term, for the good of the club, we should be focused on removal of the manager.
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Got to be the most consistently depressing period I can remember as a Villa fan. I am 32, so have not seen some of the darker times admittedly, but this is like a never ending run of turgid shit, with no balls, no plan, no want, no hope. We are going fucking down. The piss take is the squad is much better than most of the sides from 10th down now.
Same here, it is staggeringly bad.
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11 goals in 23 games. Worst ever run without scoring a goal. 0-8 aggregate against arse. Any more for anymore?
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Lambert Fuck off
Only possibly Hull are worse than us ..
Over 10 hrs since a goal and now worst GD in league.
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I would like to see anyone in their right mind defend the Lambert and Lerner fiasco.
Oh it'll happen. We'll be reminded that Lerner wasted a quarter of a billion pounds and left the club worse off. Three cheers!
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This thread is going to be one fun filled pleasuredome
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He will be trusted to get us up again I'm afraid
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I would like to see anyone in their right mind defend the Lambert and Lerner fiasco.
Oh it'll happen. We'll be reminded that Lerner wasted a quarter of a billion pounds and left the club worse off. Three cheers!
That is proof he doesn't know what he is doing.
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I did not see a 5-0 hammering coming, it's just all so sad and humiliating...
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Another game another record to add to the list. What is going on in the mind of Lerner and Fox? How bad does it really have to get for action to be taken? This side is bereft of confidence, the manager is too and there is no chance he will turn it around. When the effort goes out of the side, evident today apart from Gil and Clark then you know we have serious problems.
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Think of all those bloody Arsenal selfies now
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Aston vanilla
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Please just get rid, today. I'm sick of this fucker ruining my weekends, god knows how the poor bastards who follow the team home and away must feel.
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Does anyone at the club have the balls to stand up admit this is fucking depressing and the results are a disgrace, admit they've made a huge monumental fuck up in giving this back of shit manager a contract, sack him with a good old boot up the arse, he's useless and get someone in who can get us all together.
They're so out of touch if they think there's much support left for the useless one. Stick your post match interview up your arse Lambert, it's full of lies and delusions. If you had an integrity you'd walk, just another drain on the clubs finances.
Give him more money, give him an assistant, give him a statistical analysis, give him a fitness and diet expert, give him whatever you can think of and it will not matter. He's is completely devoid of any ideas how to turn this around, doesn't have a clue what to do with the crop of decent players we have and has no motivational skills at all. The players are starting to look as bored as the fans and I think they are close to giving up and need putting out of their misery.
And if anyone knows what he's furiously scribbling in his notepad can you tell me? Because every week nothing changes, it must be Sudoku.
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This is my first official 'we are going down' statement.
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I could almost let a drudging to Arsenal go as they are a top, top side, but as Hilts rightly pointed out in the match thread, this is how we've played for most of this season. No chances created, no guile, no discernible plan to our play. Everyone we play has plenty of chances against us, Arsenal just have the quality to put them away.
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Delph sacking his agent tomorrow
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I predicted 6-0 in the pre-match thread, so this has really been excellent.
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Time for a bath for me as I did more watching this than they did playing
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FAO Mr. P. Lambert:
(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10958582_1014795245214700_3710920383844237896_n.jpg?oh=40b69c00f3125b82b74bc98a7b1b37e2&oe=556A0457)
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I predicted 6-0 in the pre-match thread, so this has really been excellent.
You just got to laugh
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Arsenal didn't even have to try to win that.
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Apart from letting in five goals and not scoring any we were excellent. It's a false narrative to suggest otherwise. What was particularly impressive was Sanchez's brave attempt to play football whilst high on mescalin.
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We were lucky with other results this weekend but lose against Chavski next week and we could be in the bottom three. Then confidence will be drained for the games we need to win against Hull, Stoke, Newcastle and The Bitters. Really worried this season now - those games against Sunderland, Palace and Leicester were must-wins, and we didn't do it. 11 goals in 23 games tells its own story. Shameful
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He finally pushes us up and playing a high pressing game. Away at Arsenal. Staggering. If ever there was a time to be organised and play on the counter, this was it.
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"The second half I cant remember suh a one sided game. I noticed when Westwood had a shot the Villa fans cheered " Theo Walcott
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No organisation, no ideas. Lambert has to go, he absolutely has to. No disgrace in losing to arsenal, but this was an exhibition match for them. No fight at all. Dreadful.
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Carragher nailed there with the analysis on Sky there. Tactics couldn't have been more wrong.
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Another negative record for Lambert, 6 league games without a goal. More than 10 hours. We do not see all the hard work in training, however...
Benteke needs to be dropped, so does Cleverley. Sanchez was shocking, I would not be surprised if he set a Premier League Record for most misplaced passes in a game. Delph did not offer much, was he still injured ? Gil was good and Hutton at least wants to go forward. Agbonlahor managed to look disinterested only seconds after coming on.
And the worst: Lambert will not be sacked, "like flipping a coin" they say...
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All the PR guff that comes out of the club.
Right direction, all positive, things are improving.
Its all fucking shite!
The club is going down the shitter, the people who make decisions don't give a fuck, and some people still lap it up and thing everything will be alright.
It won't be alright, there is no plan, not off the field nor on it.
We are bringing in shite like Sinclair, why? He isn't going to save us.
We are lurching from one load of fucking shit to the next Load of fucking shit.
Chelsea will dick us next week, then we go to Hull who will be fighting for survival.
With the c unt lambert in charge, we are going down, no doubt about, we are going down.
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I would like to see anyone in their right mind defend the Lambert and Lerner fiasco.
Oh it'll happen. We'll be reminded that Lerner wasted a quarter of a billion pounds and left the club worse off. Three cheers!
That is proof he doesn't know what he is doing.
Oh for the good old days of Executive Box invites eh Fergal?
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Pretty similar to this..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/4842386.stm
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He finally pushes us up and playing a high pressing game. Away at Arsenal. Staggering. If ever there was a time to be organised and play on the counter, this was it.
He really doesn't have a clue.
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Carragher nailed there with the analysis on Sky there. Tactics couldn't have been more wrong.
Did he say Lambert's so thick he'd struggle to beat a woodlouse at Scrabble?
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Carragher nailed there with the analysis on Sky there. Tactics couldn't have been more wrong.
Did he say Lambert's so thick he'd struggle to beat a woodlouse at Scrabble?
I honestly think he's as thick as pig muck. Weren't we told we were getting a master tactician, who'd learned from his time in Germany and from doing his coaching badges there?
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Sanchez - that was one of the most inept performances from a professional footballer I've ever witnessed. Completely out of his depth.
Lambert - I never thought I'd see the day where we had a manager worse than Billy McNeil. Today's selection, formation & tactics couldn't have been better suited in favour of the opponents if he tried. To compound this, his inability to see the changes needed, let alone make them, shows how out of his depth he is.
Lambert should have been sacked the morning after we lost to Bradford. The fact that he remains in place, two years later, to set record after record for incompetence is shameful & an embarrassment.
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Lowest goals scored in all 4 divisions - Villa 11. Next lowest - Albion 20. From 23 games.
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"The players did themseves no favours, you coukd say the managers tactics were poor but ultimately you have to look at what is going on at the top of the club" Jamie Carragher
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Very angry.
Seeing Okore begging corzola for his shirt after the FT whistle has left me Seething
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Lowest goals scored in all 4 divisions - Villa 11. Next lowest - Albion 20. From 23 games.
And the thing is I was more worried about our defence than going forward at the start of the season
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Depressing
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We have about as much incision as a soggy pizza. It's so embarrassing.
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Carragher nailed there with the analysis on Sky there. Tactics couldn't have been more wrong.
Did he say Lambert's so thick he'd struggle to beat a woodlouse at Scrabble?
I honestly think he's as thick as pig muck. Weren't we told we were getting a master tactician, who'd learned from his time in Germany and from doing his coaching badges there?
From the unintelligible and repetitive things he mumbles, to his brainless tactics, stupid substitutions, inexplicable team selections, and fanciful 'new styles' of play, he's as thick as a pocketful of turnips.
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"The players did themseves no favours, you coukd say the managers tactics were poor but ultimately you have to look at what is going on at the top of the club" Jamie Carragher
Which I agree with. Lerner needs to sell for him to stop employing the all the naff managers he's employed.
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This feels like being trapped in a submarine with no hope of rescue and the air running out fast.
Call International rescue Lerner and "flip that fucking coin".
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Depressing but very predictable.
Only positive was that Arsenal played like it was a testimonial game. Chelsea may not be so kind.
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He basically set up and out of form non goal scoring side to out pass a confident Arsenal team at the Emirates ...
2nd half you could see us struggling yet he sits on his fucking hands and does fuck all with his subs until it's too late.Also once again the fullbacks being pushed to be width left us woefully exposed.
I like Sanchez but he was badly struggling yet he kept him on ..exactly what was he doing to stay on.
The Bournmouth game means nothing ,this team is destroyed of confidence.The defence who had looked good now with the team not scoring are under so much pressure to not concede and they are crumbling under that.
God knows why Delph decided to stay ..then again if we go down sure he will be off then
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Time to take strong drink gentlemen It's the only answer.
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Oh for the days before Sky's money when managers out of their depth showed some dignity and offered their resignation.
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It's ok lads . Lerner is having fun with the club.
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Somebody should tell Randy that he will get fuck all for us in the Championship.
Why didn't Barry flip the coin. ?
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Very angry.
Seeing Okore begging corzola for his shirt after the FT whistle has left me Seething
Really?
I'd fine him the maximum and drop him next week.
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Lowest goals scored in all 4 divisions - Villa 11. Next lowest - Albion 20. From 23 games.
Not just the 4 top divisions - the worst in the entire UK football pyramid. The second worst in any European professional league apparently. This man knows how to really claim a record
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"The second half I cant remember suh a one sided game. I noticed when Westwood had a shot the Villa fans cheered " Theo Walcott
See even the opposition think we're a joke.
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Lowest goals scored in all 4 divisions - Villa 11. Next lowest - Albion 20. From 23 games.
Being lowest is bad enough. But having to score another 80% of the current goals to catch Albion is really shocking.
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Oh for the days before Sky's money when managers out of their depth showed some dignity and offered their resignation.
By my reckoning today would have been the fifth time Doug would have terminated Lambert's contract.
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Carragher nailed there with the analysis on Sky there. Tactics couldn't have been more wrong.
Did he say Lambert's so thick he'd struggle to beat a woodlouse at Scrabble?
Paul Lambert isn't thick. But coaching and setting up a team are not his strengths.
It's time for him to download some ready-made tactics from some Football Manager sites. His self-made ones are not working.
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Very angry.
Seeing Okore begging corzola for his shirt after the FT whistle has left me Seething
Really?
I'd fine him the maximum and drop him next week.
Yes I saw that too and it made me cringe.
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This is fucking abysmal, from top to bottom they can all fuck off.
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Another woeful villa record broken, has there ever been a manager at any professional club anywhere that has broken as many unwanted records as this idiot ?
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Oh for the days before Sky's money when managers out of their depth showed some dignity and offered their resignation.
By my reckoning today would have been the fifth time Doug would have terminated Lambert's contract.
This season? Plus 6 or 7 times previously in his time here.
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Very angry.
Seeing Okore begging corzola for his shirt after the FT whistle has left me Seething
Really?
I'd fine him the maximum and drop him next week.
Yes I saw that too and it made me cringe.
Well, that will have been the closest he got to him all game.
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Peter Withe on WM talking sense .
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Im going to watch the six nations for the next coming weeks and not Villa
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Very angry.
Seeing Okore begging corzola for his shirt after the FT whistle has left me Seething
Your mistake is thinking Okore and any of the players really give a flying fvck. They dont.
I want Lambert out as well but the players do need to take a long hard look at themselves
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Embarrassing. Pathetic. Disgusting. Humiliating. Unacceptable. Managed by idiot, owned by an idiot. Play like idiots. We should be relegated on performances like that.
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Southampton who are a small club, appoint Pochettino and Koeman. We get McLeish and Lambert....
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Carragher nailed there with the analysis on Sky there. Tactics couldn't have been more wrong.
Did he say Lambert's so thick he'd struggle to beat a woodlouse at Scrabble?
I honestly think he's as thick as pig muck. Weren't we told we were getting a master tactician, who'd learned from his time in Germany and from doing his coaching badges there?
All we were told was he 'got' his coaching badges in Germany. I reckon he bought them in an auction.
Also, he was only in Germany a year so I think talk of a German influence is overstated. I spent two years in a Spanish speaking country and picked a few things up but you wouldn't want me translating for NATO.
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Lowest goals scored in all 4 divisions - Villa 11. Next lowest - Albion 20. From 23 games.
Not just the 4 top divisions - the worst in the entire UK football pyramid. The second worst in any European professional league apparently. This man knows how to really claim a record
Ooh, this is crying out for a game of 'Guess The Only Side On The Entire Continent Worse Than Us At Scoring'.
I'll go first. Minsk University Hospital Outpatients Over-65s.
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Carlos Sanchez had one of the worst games I have seen a player have in a Villa shirt for some time. My 15 year old daughter could pass the ball better than that dozy pillock
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Embarrassing. Pathetic. Disgusting. Humiliating. Unacceptable. Managed by idiot, owned by an idiot. Play like idiots. We should be relegated on performances like that.
Make no mistake , we WILL be .
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Peter Withe on WM now has effectively just said he wants the job now.
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Lerner the choice is yours get rid or we go down it's really as simple as that. I'm sick to death of it.
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Carragher nailed there with the analysis on Sky there. Tactics couldn't have been more wrong.
Did he say Lambert's so thick he'd struggle to beat a woodlouse at Scrabble?
I honestly think he's as thick as pig muck. Weren't we told we were getting a master tactician, who'd learned from his time in Germany and from doing his coaching badges there?
I agree totally. He sounds thick, he looks thick and he is thick. An absolute idiot of the first order.
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Carlos Sanchez had one of the worst games I have seen a player have in a Villa shirt for some time. My 15 year old daughter could pass the ball better than that dozy pillock
We might as well kill two birds with one stone and make her player/manager.
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Embarrassing. Pathetic. Disgusting. Humiliating. Unacceptable. Managed by idiot, owned by an idiot. Play like idiots. We should be relegated on performances like that.
As good as that eh, and we will be in consecutive years.
Division 1 in 2016/17 if Lambert remains
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Carlos Sanchez had one of the worst games I have seen a player have in a Villa shirt for some time. My 15 year old daughter could pass the ball better than that dozy pillock
We might as well kill two birds with one stone and make her player/manager.
At least she'd care as a Villa fan. Not one of these tossers currently employed by club in any capacity appears to
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Carragher nailed there with the analysis on Sky there. Tactics couldn't have been more wrong.
Did he say Lambert's so thick he'd struggle to beat a woodlouse at Scrabble?
I honestly think he's as thick as pig muck. Weren't we told we were getting a master tactician, who'd learned from his time in Germany and from doing his coaching badges there?
I agree totally. He sounds thick, he looks thick and he is thick. An absolute idiot of the first order.
You've made that point. Do you think you could possibly move onto something else now?
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Im going to watch the six nations for the next coming weeks and not Villa
After months of only counting Villa goals and points the scoring will completely confuse you. Don't bother with the Super Bowl either. There will be numbers involved that you, like the rest of us, have forgotten existed.
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Has he given his interview yet?
Were we excellent?
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Carragher nailed there with the analysis on Sky there. Tactics couldn't have been more wrong.
Did he say Lambert's so thick he'd struggle to beat a woodlouse at Scrabble?
I honestly think he's as thick as pig muck. Weren't we told we were getting a master tactician, who'd learned from his time in Germany and from doing his coaching badges there?
I agree totally. He sounds thick, he looks thick and he is thick. An absolute idiot of the first order.
You've made that point. Do you think you could possibly move onto something else now?
Could you possibly not pick just on me - as you always do - when lots of other posters are saying the same thing? Just for once, try it, or criticise everyone else saying the same thing as well please. Thank you
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We 0 Again. Flip The Coin, Tom.
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You've made that point. Do you think you could possibly move onto something else now?
Never mind that. What did you think of the performance and result?
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Who are the poor beggars that have scored less than us?
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Can someone let me know what the narrative is?
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You've made that point. Do you think you could possibly move onto something else now?
Never mind that. What did you think of the performance and result?
Yes, agree, could you tell us please what you thought of our performance? Then I can pick on you and hound you for the next 'x' posts as you do me....always
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Villa are actually making the current five month long election campaign exciting.
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You've made that point. Do you think you could possibly move onto something else now?
Never mind that. What did you think of the performance and result?
Much the same as everyone else did. Why do you ask?
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Peter Withe on WM now has effectively just said he wants the job now.
He couldn't do any worse than Lambert, but I doubt Lerner and Fox even know who is
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Much the same as everyone else did. Why do you ask?
Because I wanted to know.
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Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert on Sky Sports: "For 65 minutes or so we were in the game. We had a great chance at the end of the first half and I thought Christian [Benteke] should have score after half-time. The goals after that were very poor from our point of view. The reaction to the goals was poor.
"It is difficult, when you don't score you don't win games. You have to keep working hard in training and hopefully it turns around. We had chances to score but you have to take them. We have to keep our confidence up. We came into this with confidence.
"We have definitely got enough [to stay up]. If we can do one or two more [signings] then we will try. It is not easy to bring people in but if we can we will. I am looking for anybody who can improve the side."
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Losing 5-0? No problem. Been there, done that. Not nice, but it happens. But what I can't stand is what is now happening with the reporting of the club and our games. I had listened to the match on Talksport, with 50% of the commentary team professing to be a Villa fan, and it was one long piss take as to how bad this side are. We're a national laughing stock - and still those with the power to hire and fire can't or won't do something about it.
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Peter Withe on WM now has effectively just said he wants the job now.
He couldn't do any worse than Lambert, but I doubt Lerner and Fox even know who is
Hopefully they have at least read the banner on the North Stand, that might jog them along
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Peter Withe on WM now has effectively just said he wants the job now.
God, no.
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Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert on Sky Sports: "For 65 minutes or so we were in the game. We had a great chance at the end of the first half and I thought Christian [Benteke] should have score after half-time. The goals after that were very poor from our point of view. The reaction to the goals was poor.
"It is difficult, when you don't score you don't win games. You have to keep working hard in training and hopefully it turns around. We had chances to score but you have to take them. We have to keep our confidence up. We came into this with confidence.
"We have definitely got enough [to stay up]. If we can do one or two more [signings] then we will try. It is not easy to bring people in but if we can we will. I am looking for anybody who can improve the side."
He needs to be a bit more specific re the last sentence as right now, that could apply to anyone playing in any of the four divisions...
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Much the same as everyone else did. Why do you ask?
Because I wanted to know.
Glad to be of assistance.
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Much the same as everyone else did. Why do you ask?
Because I wanted to know.
Glad to be of assistance.
Ta very much like.
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Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert on Sky Sports: "For 65 minutes or so we were in the game. We had a great chance at the end of the first half and I thought Christian [Benteke] should have score after half-time. The goals after that were very poor from our point of view. The reaction to the goals was poor.
"It is difficult, when you don't score you don't win games. You have to keep working hard in training and hopefully it turns around. We had chances to score but you have to take them. We have to keep our confidence up. We came into this with confidence.
"We have definitely got enough [to stay up]. If we can do one or two more [signings] then we will try. It is not easy to bring people in but if we can we will. I am looking for anybody who can improve the side."
Well, for the last sentence, let's help you.
Any fucking manager who isn't you.
Does that help?
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Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert on Sky Sports: "For 65 minutes or so we were in the game. We had a great chance at the end of the first half and I thought Christian [Benteke] should have score after half-time. The goals after that were very poor from our point of view. The reaction to the goals was poor.
"It is difficult, when you don't score you don't win games. You have to keep working hard in training and hopefully it turns around. We had chances to score but you have to take them. We have to keep our confidence up. We came into this with confidence.
"We have definitely got enough [to stay up]. If we can do one or two more [signings] then we will try. It is not easy to bring people in but if we can we will. I am looking for anybody who can improve the side."
He needs to be a bit more specific re the last sentence as right now, that could apply to anyone playing in any of the four divisions...
"I am looking for anybody who can improve the side"
Here's a clue Paul, it's you. You getting fired would improve the side.
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For 65 mins or so we were In the game ?
We were 3-0 down by then and could easily have been 5 or 6 !
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Peter Withe on WM now has effectively just said he wants the job now.
God, no.
A quite dreadful thought. Remember Wimbledon anyone?
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'I am looking for anybody who can improve the side', sounds pretty desperate. Also it doesn't matter if you're 'in a game for 65 minutes'. A football match is 90 minutes and we just don't score or win any games.
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Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert on Sky Sports: "For 65 minutes or so we were in the game. We had a great chance at the end of the first half and I thought Christian [Benteke] should have score after half-time. The goals after that were very poor from our point of view. The reaction to the goals was poor.
"It is difficult, when you don't score you don't win games. You have to keep working hard in training and hopefully it turns around. We had chances to score but you have to take them. We have to keep our confidence up. We came into this with confidence.
"We have definitely got enough [to stay up]. If we can do one or two more [signings] then we will try. It is not easy to bring people in but if we can we will. I am looking for anybody who can improve the side."
He needs to be a bit more specific re the last sentence as right now, that could apply to anyone playing in any of the four divisions...
I was going to suggest a load of us on here offering to pop over to Bodymoor for trials. I don't know about anyone else but I'm not contracted to any other football club at the moment so it doesn't even have to be tomorrow.
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Over and over. Similar formations leaving us with no width, FB's with no cover when they do go forward, wildly out of form players with no chance of being dropped, tactics totally wrong ignoring the opponents strengths, it goes on and on and nothing will change. It is obvious the players do not believe in the system and that should be the main reason he should go. Now is the time for motivation and belief, Lambert will never bring that.
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Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert on Sky Sports: "I am looking for anybody who can improve the side."
Who mentioned their daughter? Give the club a call. My second option is the poor guy coughing up blood in the 'off topic'
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Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert on Sky Sports: "For 65 minutes or so we were in the game. We had a great chance at the end of the first half and I thought Christian [Benteke] should have score after half-time. The goals after that were very poor from our point of view. The reaction to the goals was poor.
"It is difficult, when you don't score you don't win games. You have to keep working hard in training and hopefully it turns around. We had chances to score but you have to take them. We have to keep our confidence up. We came into this with confidence.
"We have definitely got enough [to stay up]. If we can do one or two more [signings] then we will try. It is not easy to bring people in but if we can we will. I am looking for anybody who can improve the side."
You know what would improve the side Paul..you pissing off.
I doubt with a 100 mil budget he could fashion a functioning side.
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Lambert record count for the day /
Arsenal score five for the first time this season
Ballerina's goal is his first in professional football
Villa now gone six league games without a goal
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By the way it's no longer footballing purgatory, it's graduated to hell.
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Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert on Sky Sports: "For 65 minutes or so we were in the game. We had a great chance at the end of the first half and I thought Christian [Benteke] should have score after half-time. The goals after that were very poor from our point of view. The reaction to the goals was poor.
"It is difficult, when you don't score you don't win games. You have to keep working hard in training and hopefully it turns around. We had chances to score but you have to take them. We have to keep our confidence up. We came into this with confidence.
"We have definitely got enough [to stay up]. If we can do one or two more [signings] then we will try. It is not easy to bring people in but if we can we will. I am looking for anybody who can improve the side."
We could have been 3 or 4 down before Weimann's chance. Benteke's was not even half a chance, but let's not allow the truth to get in the way of your piss poor excuses.
If he gets another couple of players in, will we be going for 6 up front next week?
Lambert is nothing more than a chancer, bullshitting his way through the week. Does he ever admit that he got it wrong?
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By the way it's no longer footballing purgatory, it's graduated to hell.
I look back nostalgically at the good old days of purgatory.
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Every week he can blag his way through is another £50k in his account . That's the way he sees it I think.
Shame on you Lerner for bringing the club to this.
Fox is just another stooge happy to deflect from Lerner for a kings ransom.
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This was probably the only game where the Godawful possession football of a month or so ago might, and I stress might, have been a more effective tactic.
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You're all wrong. Hell is way more fun than this. All the dirty skanks go to hell, and there's loads of booze and drugs. This the in between where the water keeps on dripping on your head until you go mad.
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Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert on Sky Sports: "For 65 minutes or so we were in the game. We had a great chance at the end of the first half and I thought Christian [Benteke] should have score after half-time. The goals after that were very poor from our point of view. The reaction to the goals was poor.
"It is difficult, when you don't score you don't win games. You have to keep working hard in training and hopefully it turns around. We had chances to score but you have to take them. We have to keep our confidence up. We came into this with confidence.
"We have definitely got enough [to stay up]. If we can do one or two more [signings] then we will try. It is not easy to bring people in but if we can we will. I am looking for anybody who can improve the side."
We could have been 3 or 4 down before Weimann's chance. Benteke's was not even half a chance, but let's not allow the truth to get in the way of your piss poor excuses.
If he gets another couple of players in, will we be going for 6 up front next week?
Lambert is nothing more than a chancer, bullshitting his way through the week. Does he ever admit that he got it wrong?
But, it's exactly what keeps happening.
He keeps churning out this shite and thinks people believe it.
Basically, he's taking the fans to be unthinking twats who will just lap up whatever diatribe of shit he spouts, purely because he's the manager.
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By the way it's no longer footballing purgatory, it's graduated to hell.
I look back nostalgically at the good old days of purgatory.
Ah purgatory! When we nearly conceded from every corner! At least it can't get any worse we all laughed.
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This was probably the only game where the Godawful possession football of a month or so ago might, and I stress might, have been a more effective tactic.
We actually won the possession with 52%
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After 6 minutes Arsenal had tried a couple of through balls, our high defensive line was just suicidal.
I can't believe Lambert thought that was a good idea.
He really needs to go.
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Who are the poor beggars that have scored less than us?
It was reported in the Meaning Evil (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-goal-gallery-only-8361433) a few weeks ago. Latest update - Hamburg have now scored 9 league goals in 18 games, so still have 5 games to score 3 goals and then we will be the lowest in Europe! That's some record. Brings a tear to the eye
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The most amazing sight of the day was some Villa fans applauding the team at the end. Good on them, but I would have walked out in disgust once the 4th went in
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"It is difficult, when you don't score you don't win games. You have to keep working hard in training and hopefully it turns around."
Bingo - Lambert doesn't have a clue how to fix the team's problems.
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He's managing our unreasonable expectations.I'm currently watching Southampton attempt to consolidate their top four position and reign in my unreasonable expectation that Villa should be aspiring to that type of thing
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What we have learned in the last month is that we can score goals against championship teams.
That has to be a positive for next season. surely.......yes ?
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We will have the biggest ground in the championship and be everyone's cup final
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What exactly are we working on in training... Guzan passing backwards to full backs was the only obvious thing I've seen us do that would have been worked on in training, because it clearly isn't practicing taking corners... or our set up at defending corners ready for a quick break or taking throw-ins or even running off the ball so you are in front of the player in possession...
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(http://www.andypowell.co.uk/temp/10958137_10153017652710792_751891783_n.jpg)
That's me on the right. And that's about as happy as I looked all afternoon.
The only consolation is I can get home from the library in 45 minutes. Credit to those who've still got hours left.
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(http://www.andypowell.co.uk/temp/10958137_10153017652710792_751891783_n.jpg)
That's me on the right. And that's about as happy as I looked all afternoon.
The only consolation is I can get home from the library in 45 minutes. Credit to those who've still got hours left.
Im surprised you were still there on 75 mins
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He's managing our unreasonable expectations.I'm currently watching Southampton attempt to consolidate their top four position and reign in my unreasonable expectation that Villa should be aspiring to that type of thing
After the comparison in fortunes to us in last five years the last two teams I want to watch are Southampton and Swansea.
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It is so depressing being a villa supporter at the moment,it really is. I could moan about it all,but you know i am not going to bother,if the likes of Learner and Fox can't give a fuck,why should i !
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I left 3 down and have just got back, has the wise one spoken yet?
My 5 year old son just said, "why can't they just get one goal"
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No goals scored; another thumping defeat - Lerner is totally useless and needs to act, fast. I can see us doing a Wolves and dropping straight into League one.
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The mumbling one mused
I am looking for anybody who can improve the side
Fu**ing you off would be a good start
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From the suicidal 3 at the back, continuing to attack when 3-0 down at Chelsea, to today's embarrassment, Lambert's as tactically inept today as he was 2 years ago.
I suppose we might have had the 'only a lunatic would setup a team like that to play Arsenal' element of surprise.
It isn't going to get any better anytime soon.
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The mumbling one mused
I am looking for anybody who can improve the side
Fu**ing you off would be a good start
'Anybody'? Strange description with a day left to go.
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I left 3 down and have just got back, has the wise one spoken yet?
No goals scored; another thumping defeat - Lerner is totally useless and needs to act, fast. I can see us doing a Wolves and dropping straight into League one.
Strange honesty from Lambert there ;-)
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I'm just so bored of this utter shit being served up week in and week out.
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He's managing our unreasonable expectations.I'm currently watching Southampton attempt to consolidate their top four position and reign in my unreasonable expectation that Villa should be aspiring to that type of thing
This should be burnt on the training ground gates (or Lambert's forehead).
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He's managing our unreasonable expectations.I'm currently watching Southampton attempt to consolidate their top four position and reign in my unreasonable expectation that Villa should be aspiring to that type of thing
After the comparison in fortunes to us in last five years the last two teams I want to watch are Southampton and Swansea.
I really thought Koeman would be poor and Soton would be where we are now. How wrong I was. A combination of a great youth set up and a foreign scouting network has meant thye are miles ahead of us.
In fact I can see us collapsing down the league like they did
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The mumbling one mused
I am looking for anybody who can improve the side
Fu**ing you off would be a good start
When I heard that quote from him that was exactly what I said. Well, not exactly. I was a lot more repetitive and less straight to the point than you. It was a sort of rant/ramble.
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How this man is still in a job beggars belief. But he'll be here tomorrow and the day after I imagine
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I don't know where we go from that really. Someone said in earlier post that Arsenal are a top, top side, but they're not really are they? They are currently fifth and will likely finish fourth, yet both times we have played them this season, we have made them look like absolute world beaters. That is probably due to having a manager who is totally inept and tactically clueless.
I wonder if Tom Fox enjoyed his return to Arsenal today? If a few of his ex-colleagues had a post game laugh at his expense this afternoon, then he might have an inkling how we feel after performances like that.
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How this man is still in a job beggars belief. But he'll be here tomorrow and the day after I imagine
Yep it's an absolute disgrace.
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How this man is still in a job beggars belief. But he'll be here tomorrow and the day after I imagine
I am beginning to wonder if it is just stubbornness on the part of Lerner and Fox now and they would rather see us relegated than have to admit they were wrong.
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Was that it, was that the post match interview?
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In what way is Lerner thinking any of this is "fun" is it some sort of perverse S&M type fetish he has?
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They looked like they expected to get beat, I thought Gil was the only player who looked up for it.
It is pretty obvious that the motivation has gone.
Hull City is our cup final, loose that and I think we are done.
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Sixteen goals in the two villa games i have been following over the weekend , it is just a pity thirteen were in the villa net
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Sanchez - that was one of the most inept performances from a professional footballer I've ever witnessed. Completely out of his depth.
Lambert - I never thought I'd see the day where we had a manager worse than Billy McNeil. Today's selection, formation & tactics couldn't have been better suited in favour of the opponents if he tried. To compound this, his inability to see the changes needed, let alone make them, shows how out of his depth he is.
Lambert should have been sacked the morning after we lost to Bradford. The fact that he remains in place, two years later, to set record after record for incompetence is shameful & an embarrassment.
Agreed on Lambert's tactics today. Not the day for a high line and yet again he was proven hopeless when it came to changing it. We were crying out for subs when Arsenal went 2-0 up just to kill a bit of their momentum but he delayed again. Playing Gabby up top with Benteke is a proven waste of time too yet he persists trying it.
Some crazy individual errors for the goals and tactically we were a rabble. Okore primarily for the first, Richardson lost the ball for the second but ffs we shouldnt have our two full backs pushing on at the same time, Hutton nowhere to be seen. Guzan utterly abysmal conceding that penalty. Our midfield was humiliated today. Sanchez gave away the ball constantly but Delph and Cleverley offered nothing in terms of protection for the back four either. Benteke actually improved a bit in the second half but still nowhere near good enough and should be dropped for Chelsea.
A very bad day out and worryingly a number of players seemed to give up after Arsenal's third goal. Thought Okore and Hutton particularly had nightmares at the back while this wasnt the game for dropping Cissokho. We dominated possession for long periods ironically enough but Gil is the only one who tries to play a direct ball. Cleverley in particular seems to be keen on getting his passing stats up but passing the ball back five yards every time brings us nowhere.
Thought Arsenal were outstanding in possession today. Their movement off the ball was superb and destroyed us between the line of our midfield and defence. Think they will get back into the title race to be honest.
Vlaar if fit is likely to come back in the next day and you would think Cissokho will be back also. Definitely need our midfield to sit a lot deeper. The alternatives to dropping Sanchez arent great but certainly Cleverley shouldnt be on. Bacuna covered Hutton well in the cup game and would bring him back in to a midfield three. Would start Gabby if nothing else to give Benteke a long overdue kick up the arse. His lack of movement in the first half was unacceptable.
--------------Guzan
Hutton, Vlaar, Clark, Cissokho
-----Bacuna, Sanchez, Delph
---------Gil, Gabby, Sinclair
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god DAMMIT I am tired of losing.
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I am beginning to wonder if it is just stubbornness on the part of Lerner and Fox now and they would rather see us relegated than have to admit they were wrong.
That wouldn't surprise me to be honest. The whole McClesh appointment smaked to me of Lerner showing the fan base that he was in charge, even if the appointment was daft.
I couldn't understand why, when Lambert made the first substitutions, Sanchez wasn't one of them. His pass completion rate must've been less than 30%.
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I guess I'm all for Lambert going but I'm dead scared in who the fool at the top would bring in.
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I remember there was a spell of a few years, in the MON era, where Bolton Wanderers came here any played a high defensive line every time, and every time, our pace up front meant we demolished them without even breaking sweat.
That's pretty much what we did today. The bad bit, I mean, the Bolton bit, obviously
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I guess I'm all for Lambert going but I'm dead scared in who the fool at the top would bring in.
That's the beauty though, no one could do any worse.
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Losing 5-0? No problem. Been there, done that. Not nice, but it happens. But what I can't stand is what is now happening with the reporting of the club and our games. I had listened to the match on Talksport, with 50% of the commentary team professing to be a Villa fan, and it was one long piss take as to how bad this side are. We're a national laughing stock - and still those with the power to hire and fire can't or won't do something about it.
Exactly, everyone pisses themselves laughing at us at the moment and the people running the show act and talk like we are the idiots who just don't understand this master plan they are evoking. We're football commoners, they're the intelligent football educated ones who need to ignore us because we don't get what's going on behind the scenes.
Bollocks. They are treating the clubs name and history appallingly allowing this current farce to continue. Forget about ''false narrative'' and systems being put in place to support good old Paul, we cannot even score A FUCKING GOAL on a regular basis, it would be laughable if it wasn't my club.
Fox, stop the shit talking, Lambert stop trying to pull the wool over our eyes, let's have some real questioning of the shambles currently taking place at the club whilst everyone gets rich from it and the fans are taken for granted and arrogantly dismissed as unknowing peasants.
We cannot even score A SINGLE FUCKING GOAL, this can't continue any longer.
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I guess I'm all for Lambert going but I'm dead scared in who the fool at the top would bring in.
Probably Steve Bruce.
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I guess I'm all for Lambert going but I'm dead scared in who the fool at the top would bring in.
Frankly I think Joey Essex would do a better job.
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I remember there was a spell of a few years, in the MON era, where Bolton Wanderers came here any played a high defensive line every time, and every time, our pace up front meant we demolished them without even breaking sweat.
That's pretty much what we did today. The bad bit, I mean, the Bolton bit, obviously
Yep I was there....5-1 wasn't it?
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'I am looking for anybody who can improve the side', sounds pretty desperate. Also it doesn't matter if you're 'in a game for 65 minutes'. A football match is 90 minutes and we just don't score or win any games.
It's on par with his previous rambles along the lines of
Paul do you think Villa will stay up?
Yes
Why?
I just do
Thanks for that insight you plank.
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The lack of goals and repetitive narrow defeats punctuated by the odd heavy defeat is very Billy McNeil 1986/87.
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I guess I'm all for Lambert going but I'm dead scared in who the fool at the top would bring in.
Probably Steve Bruce.
That's the thing, his record of employing managers get's worse every time. Why doesn't he ever go for a Pochettino or Koeman. No real football knowledge of the game in the millennium?
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'I am looking for anybody who can improve the side', sounds pretty desperate. Also it doesn't matter if you're 'in a game for 65 minutes'. A football match is 90 minutes and we just don't score or win any games.
It's on par with his previous rambles along the lines of
Paul do you think Villa will stay up?
Yes
Why?
I just do
Thanks for that insight you plank.
Wasn't that McLeish?
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I guess I'm all for Lambert going but I'm dead scared in who the fool at the top would bring in.
Frankly I think Joey Essex would do a better job.
I'd take Joey Deakin.
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I guess I'm all for Lambert going but I'm dead scared in who the fool at the top would bring in.
Probably Steve Bruce.
That's the thing, his record of employing managers get's worse every time. Why doesn't he ever go for a Pochettino or Koeman. No real football knowledge of the game in the millennium?
Lerner and Faulkner's remit was that they MUST have Premier League experience. Apparently the breed of football in the Premier League is completely different to anywhere else in the world.
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I guess I'm all for Lambert going but I'm dead scared in who the fool at the top would bring in.
Frankly I think Joey Essex would do a better job.
I'd take Joey Deakin.
You're definitely older than us.
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You've made that point. Do you think you could possibly move onto something else now?
Never mind that. What did you think of the performance and result?
Yes, agree, could you tell us please what you thought of our performance? Then I can pick on you and hound you for the next 'x' posts as you do me....always
I haven't said anything to you for some time - feel free to contradict me if you have evidence to the contrary or failing that an apology would be appreciated - and if you have any comments about the moderating of this site please make them via PM.
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where to from here ?
We can all hurl insults and barbs at what has to be the mot clueless manager we have ever had, and by golly I have seen some fucking useless ones.
Through either stubbornness or stupidity Management seem to be intent on backing him.
Mass fan demonstrations seem out of favour, he needs help in the short term and sacking in the medium.
Is there no voice that can talk to the club about bringing in some help, We are on an express train to relegation with this twat in charge.
Who has the credibility to talk to the club and have positive discussions to suggest change.
your thoughts please.
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We'll be laughing about all this one day when we are good again.Trouble is the carer will have tucked me in for the night and I will have to wait until the following morning to relive our success on WM.
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where to from here ?
We can all hurl insults and barbs at what has to be the mot clueless manager we have ever had, and by golly I have seen some fucking useless ones.
Through either stubbornness or stupidity Management seem to be intent on backing him.
Mass fan demonstrations seem out of favour, he needs help in the short term and sacking in the medium.
Is there no voice that can talk to the club about bringing in some help, We are on an express train to relegation with this twat in charge.
Who has the credibility to talk to the club and have positive discussions to suggest change.
your thoughts please.
The club, or rather senior management at the club, are under no illusions as to the manager's popularity. On the one hand I'm glad they aren't influenced by public opinion, on the other I wish that just once they would be.
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Is there no voice that can talk to the club about bringing in some help, We are on an express train to relegation with this twat in charge.
Who has the credibility to talk to the club and have positive discussions to suggest change.
I don't think it would make any difference. If it requires someone to come in and explain to them just how bad things are because they can't see it for themselves then there really is no hope.
If Lambert's bosses look at this situation and think doing nothing is not only a sensible option but also that it is the best option, and furthermore that the club is headed in the right direction, then there is such a state of denial at the club that it's beyond any outside party's ability to help.
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Still a very strange one saying, "have a 4 yr contract Lambert".
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where to from here ?
We can all hurl insults and barbs at what has to be the mot clueless manager we have ever had, and by golly I have seen some fucking useless ones.
Through either stubbornness or stupidity Management seem to be intent on backing him.
Mass fan demonstrations seem out of favour, he needs help in the short term and sacking in the medium.
Is there no voice that can talk to the club about bringing in some help, We are on an express train to relegation with this twat in charge.
Who has the credibility to talk to the club and have positive discussions to suggest change.
your thoughts please.
The club, or rather senior management at the club, are under no illusions as to the manager's popularity. On the one hand I'm glad they aren't influenced by public opinion, on the other I wish that just once they would be.
February 19th - AV Supporter's Trust AGM at VP with a Q&A session with Fox T
I'm on bloody holiday or I would be there however I don't think there will be much pressure put on him as these things tend to be very "reasonable" in nature
Forget us having any effect - we don't matter
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where to from here ?
We can all hurl insults and barbs at what has to be the mot clueless manager we have ever had, and by golly I have seen some fucking useless ones.
Through either stubbornness or stupidity Management seem to be intent on backing him.
Mass fan demonstrations seem out of favour, he needs help in the short term and sacking in the medium.
Is there no voice that can talk to the club about bringing in some help, We are on an express train to relegation with this twat in charge.
Who has the credibility to talk to the club and have positive discussions to suggest change.
your thoughts please.
The club, or rather senior management at the club, are under no illusions as to the manager's popularity. On the one hand I'm glad they aren't influenced by public opinion, on the other I wish that just once they would be.
February 19th - AV Supporter's Trust AGM at VP with a Q&A session with Fox T
I'm on bloody holiday or I would be there however I don't think there will be much pressure put on him as these things tend to be very "reasonable" in nature
Forget us having any effect - we don't matter
Realistically, we haven't mattered since 1979.
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Yes we do. We bring the money. Advertisers & sponsors & ticketing companies & TV stations & even the little samosa shop on Trinity Road are only interested in consumers.
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Were the lads out in London last night ? That's a genuine question. They looked tired , hungover and half cut. As they did on the Sunday of the 0-8 in London .
I saw some of the technical staff in the bar at about 12 / 1230am that Sunday morning , none of the players though I have to say but they may or may not have been elsewhere ?
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Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert on Sky Sports: "For 65 minutes or so we were in the game. We had a great chance at the end of the first half and I thought Christian [Benteke] should have score after half-time. The goals after that were very poor from our point of view. The reaction to the goals was poor.
"It is difficult, when you don't score you don't win games. You have to keep working hard in training and hopefully it turns around. We had chances to score but you have to take them. We have to keep our confidence up. We came into this with confidence.
"We have definitely got enough [to stay up]. If we can do one or two more [signings] then we will try. It is not easy to bring people in but if we can we will. I am looking for anybody who can improve the side."
Hopefully it turns round
Idiot. were absolute rubbish. He's clueless and out of his depth
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I believe that the reason why Lambert has not been sacked is because Lerner thinks he is the best man to lead us out of the championship
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I believe that the reason why Lambert has not been sacked is because Lerner thinks he is the best man to lead us out of the championship
I could understand that if we were actually in the Championship but I'd have thought that we should be more concerned about having the best man to keep us in the Premiership.
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He's the best man to take us into the Championship.
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I guess I'm all for Lambert going but I'm dead scared in who the fool at the top would bring in.
Frankly I think Joey Essex would do a better job.
I'd take Joey Deakin.
that has cheered me up thanks
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Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert on Sky Sports: "For 65 minutes or so we were in the game. We had a great chance at the end of the first half and I thought Christian [Benteke] should have score after half-time. The goals after that were very poor from our point of view. The reaction to the goals was poor.
"It is difficult, when you don't score you don't win games. You have to keep working hard in training and hopefully it turns around. We had chances to score but you have to take them. We have to keep our confidence up. We came into this with confidence.
"We have definitely got enough [to stay up]. If we can do one or two more [signings] then we will try. It is not easy to bring people in but if we can we will. I am looking for anybody who can improve the side."
Hopefully it turns round
Idiot. were absolute rubbish. He's clueless and out of his depth
Christ I hate the sight of his fat, idiotic face. What on earth is the imbecile mumbling about about? "In it for 65 minutes" my arse, we were 3-0 down by then. His lies and inadequacy for the job get worse with every passing week.
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What we have learned in the last month is that we can score goals against championship teams.
That has to be a positive for next season. surely.......yes ?
Depends if they play a full strength team
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What we have learned in the last month is that we can score goals against championship teams.
That has to be a positive for next season. surely.......yes ?
Depends if they play a full strength team
We scraped past league 1 bound Blackpool with an 88th min solitary goal
Then scraped past Bournemouth reserves .
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If Mourinho cant end his Villa Park hoodoo against this shower, he should hand his coaching badges back to UEFA
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How this man is still in a job beggars belief. But he'll be here tomorrow and the day after I imagine
Unbelievable
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Did anyone hear his interview on 5 Live? He sounded like he was at the bottom of a well. Even his mumbles were mumbled.
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Did anyone hear his interview on 5 Live? He sounded like he was at the bottom of a well. Even his mumbles were mumbled.
he sounded like that pre-match on Sky as well.
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"We started the second half really well but the second goal was the most disappointing thing about today. What has annoyed me probably the most is the acceptance to then lose by a few more. I'm used to winning games; that is the way my football and managerial career has panned out."
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I bet he's dying to be put out of his misery, however, he won't resign because of no payoff. Meanwhile we are stuck in the middle with the club hurtling towards the championship.
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"We started the second half really well but the second goal was the most disappointing thing about today. What has annoyed me probably the most is the acceptance to then lose by a few more. I'm used to winning games; that is the way my football and managerial career has panned out."
Don't tell me, Bill Shankly? Alex Ferguson?
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"We started the second half really well but the second goal was the most disappointing thing about today. What has annoyed me probably the most is the acceptance to then lose by a few more. I'm used to winning games; that is the way my football and managerial career has panned out."
"I'm used to winning games"
Lolz
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Decent players start off generally ok under Lambert, then the rot sets in and all their form and confidence gradually evaporates. It's a disease - Gil will catch it soon. Lambert, please just resign.
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I guess I'm all for Lambert going but I'm dead scared in who the fool at the top would bring in.
That's the beauty though, no one could do any worse.
I thought that after the semi retired heart patient got moved on. And been proved wrong. Twice.
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"We started the second half really well but the second goal was the most disappointing thing about today. What has annoyed me probably the most is the acceptance to then lose by a few more. I'm used to winning games; that is the way my football and managerial career has panned out."
Oh wow. Remind us of your record over the past couple of seasons again Paul.
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I bet he's dying to be put out of his misery, however, he won't resign because of no payoff. Meanwhile we are stuck in the middle with the club hurtling towards the championship.
I rarely listen to PL's interviews but I did today.
I know that he's the stereotypical dour Scot, who makes Andy Murray seem hyper but I also got the impression that he just wants this over with
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Have to say I agree with a lot of what he said, apart from the Benteke chance which I don't remember being as clear as he makes it sound.
Paul Lambert bemoaned the concession of poor goals in the 5-0 defeat to Arsenal.
Boss Lambert was unhappy with the way Villa defended after the break as they went down at the Emirates Stadium.
The manager felt it could have been a very different game if his side had scored with two of their best chances - Andi Weimann just before the break and Christian Benteke just after it.
But the boss wasn't happy with the way his team gave away the Gunners goals in the second period.
He said: "The big chance was Andi's header but the keeper has made a great save.
"Christian had a great chance too. He should have scored.
"I said before we came here that we'd make chances but you have to take them.
"For about 60-65 minutes of that game, we were well in it.
"The goals after that were really poor. That's the disappointing thing.
"I didn't think it was a 5-0 game. But you can't capitulate the way we did to go five-down.
"We came into the game on the back of a good win last weekend. But to lose the goals the way we did was really disappointing.
"We had chances to get the goals. You have to take them, especially when you come to places like this. You have to be more clinical that what we were.
"It's something we have to keep working on.
"For the second goal, we had the ball near their penalty area. They've still got to run 80 yards to score. That's the disappointing thing when you're letting that happen.
"For the third goal, from our corner you get hit for a goal. That's not right.
"There were goals that I wasn't happy with."
Villa now face title-chasers Chelsea in B6 next Saturday.
He added: "That's the nature of the game, the nature of the Premier League.
"Every match you play is really big and really tough.
"It's a game you try and win. It's another really good side, a side who are going for the title."
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If Mourinho cant end his Villa Park hoodoo against this shower, he should hand his coaching badges back to UEFA
Thats the rub though isn't it. Other teams that actually want to succeed would be so embarrassed by today there would be a reaction next week and Chelsea would know they would be in for one hell of a game.
Not so with us. We all know they will be even MORE nervous and waiting to concede against Chelsea then once we do we will shut up shop to try and lose by "only" 3 goals this time.
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"We started the second half really well but the second goal was the most disappointing thing about today. What has annoyed me probably the most is the acceptance to then lose by a few more. I'm used to winning games; that is the way my football and managerial career has panned out."
More guff and bollocks from the deluded one, and he thinks it's just accepted by all.
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It's starting to remind me of the end of Sven's England career when everyone wanted him out, not least the FA, but they couldn't afford to pay him up and he wasn't going to turn down the compo.
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Doomed is an understatement after today. What we have been dreading for three years and what the club appear to be unconcerned about creeps ever closer, with increasing anger, shame and humiliation amidst a ballyhoo of incredulity and piss taking from the press and rival fans.
The manager and club are marooned on a fantasy island of arrogance and ignorance where skies are blue and performances such as the one displayed today are deemed acceptable via moribund utterings and cliched nonsense.
Were our hearts not drenched with claret and blue we could walk away and spare ourselves the pain but we have to stand and watch with clenched fists, furrowed brows mountainous frustration.
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"Another really good side"? What about the numerous shite sides we've lost/drawn with without registering a goal .
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It's starting to remind me of the end of Sven's England career when everyone wanted him out, not least the FA, but they couldn't afford to pay him up and he wasn't going to turn down the compo.
I think that's the sad truth unfortunately, which makes the contract extension at the start of the season even more baffling.
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It's starting to remind me of the end of Sven's England career when everyone wanted him out, not least the FA, but they couldn't afford to pay him up and he wasn't going to turn down the compo.
I think that's the sad truth unfortunately, which makes the contract extension at the start of the season even more baffling.
Although I don't think it's the money, they just can't be arsed going through all that again.
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It's starting to remind me of the end of Sven's England career when everyone wanted him out, not least the FA, but they couldn't afford to pay him up and he wasn't going to turn down the compo.
In a period of complete fuckwittery the award of a new contract to Lambert has to be pretty high up there.
The cost of sacking him would be dwarfed by the cost of relegation.
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At 1-0 down, I said to mate that it was going to be a long game, and that's how it turned out. I just couldn't see us scoring at all, despite what Lambert has said and he's said that too many times now.
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It's a story of ineptitude at every level. A masterclass on how to grind down a football club.
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Such a shame, really thought we'd turned a corner last week all the news out of bh was positive then this. All these shit records don't normally bother me but this one today about no villa team in history going six league games without a goal is shameful if correct.I haven't felt this low since Bradford, they won't sack him, he won't resign and no one gives a shit - his post match comments suggest he's also in denial.
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It's a story of ineptitude at every level. A masterclass on how to grind down a football club.
And this has been happening continuously for 4.5 years.
Jimbo we are like Cov / Saints of 1990s
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It's starting to remind me of the end of Sven's England career when everyone wanted him out, not least the FA, but they couldn't afford to pay him up and he wasn't going to turn down the compo.
I think that's the sad truth unfortunately, which makes the contract extension at the start of the season even more baffling.
Although I don't think it's the money, they just can't be arsed going through all that again.
It can't be just money. I think its the realisation they have gone down every avenue to pick a manager and failed.
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the simple truth now is that this can't go on. Not because there are or might be three clubs even more awful than us and relegation might be avoided, but because Lambert can't go on publically humiliating and tarnishing the club any longer. We could be doing better, we should be doing better, even allowing for our reduced circumstances, but it's patently obvious he can't do any better, and each week he is allowed to stay, somehow the status of this great club is diminished a little bit further.
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I guess I'm all for Lambert going but I'm dead scared in who the fool at the top would bring in.
That's the beauty though, no one could do any worse.
I thought that after the semi retired heart patient got moved on. And been proved wrong. Twice.
At least law of averages is on our side next time.
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Apologies for not reading the preceding 16 pages, but I thought our general play was okay. The sort of football which, against lesser opposition, would punish them. The reality is though, it is toothless football played in areas where we cannot hurt the opposition. I would definitely not abolish the change in style, however I would jettison the manager. Seriously: Bringing in BFR for the remaining 5 months.
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Tomorrow all eyes will be on the transfer window. By Tuesday people will have calmed down a bit and will be saying "well it was Arsenal away." On Friday some will predict in the pre match thread that we'll get a result against Chelsea because of Mourinho's record against us. Then on Saturday night we'll all feel this fucking misery again. And he'll still be here.
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Tomorrow all eyes will be on the transfer window. By Tuesday people will have calmed down a bit and will be saying "well it was Arsenal away." On Friday some will predict in the pre match thread that we'll get a result against Chelsea because of Mourinho's record against us. Then on Saturday night we'll all feel this fucking misery again. And he'll still be here.
and we go again.
It is ridiculous.
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Surely there must be an out of work manager/ coach with the nous to appreciate the shambles that is Aston Villa and step in to guide us to safety.If they are going to stick to their guns Nero style at least bring in an assistant with the experience ,ability and maybe most important the strengh of character to help.
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Apologies for not reading the preceding 16 pages, but I thought our general play was okay. The sort of football which, against lesser opposition, would punish them. The reality is though, it is toothless football played in areas where we cannot hurt the opposition. I would definitely not abolish the change in style, however I would jettison the manager. Seriously: Bringing in BFR for the remaining 5 months.
A 75 year old who hasn't been involved with a club since 1999?
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It's starting to remind me of the end of Sven's England career when everyone wanted him out, not least the FA, but they couldn't afford to pay him up and he wasn't going to turn down the compo.
I think that's the sad truth unfortunately, which makes the contract extension at the start of the season even more baffling.
Although I don't think it's the money, they just can't be arsed going through all that again.
I'm not sure which of the two is worse. What I am sure of is the fact they should act because I don't think he will ever be a success with us.
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Such a shame, really thought we'd turned a corner last week all the news out of bh was positive then this. All these shit records don't normally bother me but this one today about no villa team in history going six league games without a goal is shameful if correct.I haven't felt this low since Bradford, they won't sack him, he won't resign and no one gives a shit - his post match comments suggest he's also in denial.
Turned the corner last week. Really? We were playing Bournemouth reserves and they outplayed us first half.
I havent felt this low since 1987
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Tomorrow all eyes will be on the transfer window. By Tuesday people will have calmed down a bit and will be saying "well it was Arsenal away." On Friday some will predict in the pre match thread that we'll get a result against Chelsea because of Mourinho's record against us. Then on Saturday night we'll all feel this fucking misery again. And he'll still be here.
Exactly, I think someone said on another thread it's like Groundhog Day.
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It's starting to remind me of the end of Sven's England career when everyone wanted him out, not least the FA, but they couldn't afford to pay him up and he wasn't going to turn down the compo.
I think that's the sad truth unfortunately, which makes the contract extension at the start of the season even more baffling.
Although I don't think it's the money, they just can't be arsed going through all that again.
The four year contract did and now does send out the wrong message though, regardless of the money involved.
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It's starting to remind me of the end of Sven's England career when everyone wanted him out, not least the FA, but they couldn't afford to pay him up and he wasn't going to turn down the compo.
I think that's the sad truth unfortunately, which makes the contract extension at the start of the season even more baffling.
Although I don't think it's the money, they just can't be arsed going through all that again.
It can't be just money. I think its the realisation they have gone down every avenue to pick a manager and failed.
Lerner doesn't have the stomach for another farcical manager search, and I'm not sure the fans do either. We've got ourselves into a right old pickle.
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the simple truth now is that this can't go on. Not because there are or might be three clubs even more awful than us and relegation might be avoided, but because Lambert can't go on publically humiliating and tarnishing the club any longer. We could be doing better, we should be doing better, even allowing for our reduced circumstances, but it's patently obvious he can't do any better, and each week he is allowed to stay, somehow the status of this great club is diminished a little bit further.
We seem to have no shame.
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Seriously: Bringing in BFR for the remaining 5 months.
This is what's known in football as Newcastle syndrome.
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Stuart Pearce is now unemployed.
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Stuart Pearce is now unemployed.
We dont want him as manager although he is still a better LB than most of ours over the last Few seasons!
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the simple truth now is that this can't go on. Not because there are or might be three clubs even more awful than us and relegation might be avoided, but because Lambert can't go on publically humiliating and tarnishing the club any longer. We could be doing better, we should be doing better, even allowing for our reduced circumstances, but it's patently obvious he can't do any better, and each week he is allowed to stay, somehow the status of this great club is diminished a little bit further.
We seem to have no shame.
Great point.
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Paul Lambert bemoaned the concession of poor goals in the 5-0 defeat to Arsenal.
Boss Lambert was unhappy with the way Villa defended after the break as they went down at the Emirates Stadium.
The manager felt it could have been a very different game if his side had scored with two of their best chances - Andi Weimann just before the break and Christian Benteke just after it.
But the boss wasn't happy with the way his team gave away the Gunners goals in the second period.
He said: "The big chance was Andi's header but the keeper has made a great save.
"Christian had a great chance too. He should have scored.
"I said before we came here that we'd make chances but you have to take them.
"For about 60-65 minutes of that game, we were well in it.
"The goals after that were really poor. That's the disappointing thing.
"I didn't think it was a 5-0 game. But you can't capitulate the way we did to go five-down.
"We came into the game on the back of a good win last weekend. But to lose the goals the way we did was really disappointing.
"We had chances to get the goals. You have to take them, especially when you come to places like this. You have to be more clinical that what we were.
"It's something we have to keep working on.
"For the second goal, we had the ball near their penalty area. They've still got to run 80 yards to score. That's the disappointing thing when you're letting that happen.
"For the third goal, from our corner you get hit for a goal. That's not right.
"There were goals that I wasn't happy with."
Villa now face title-chasers Chelsea in B6 next Saturday.
He added: "That's the nature of the game, the nature of the Premier League.
"Every match you play is really big and really tough.
"It's a game you try and win. It's another really good side, a side who are going for the title."
What a load of bollox.
The manager felt it could have been a very different game if his side had scored with two of their best chances - Andi Weimann just before the break and Christian Benteke just after it. Half chances at best.
"For about 60-65 minutes of that game, we were well in it. We were 3 nil down you plank.
"The goals after that were really poor. That's the disappointing thing. Clinical goals I would call them Paul. Things practiced on the training ground.
"It's something we have to keep working on. You've had long enough. Now do one.
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I'm going to say it again, Nigel Clough.
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Just overtook the team coach on M1. They are all relaxed watching the movies on their individual screens no doubt Lambert gave them an excellent talk before they set off!
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We have reached the point where there is no structure to Lambert's play or system.
He relies on individual brilliance to score and win games.
He is a busted flush.
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Still having "fun" Randy??
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In a strange way, I get some comfort from reading the pain, anger and frustration flowing from this thread knowing that many are feeling the same as me. I was just too young to experience the period from 1966 to 1970 but that must be the only comparable period in our history to be so demoralising.
I just feel utterly humiliated by the slow demise of our great club. They should all hang their heads in shame.
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Apologies for not reading the preceding 16 pages, but I thought our general play was okay. The sort of football which, against lesser opposition, would punish them. The reality is though, it is toothless football played in areas where we cannot hurt the opposition. I would definitely not abolish the change in style, however I would jettison the manager. Seriously: Bringing in BFR for the remaining 5 months.
A 75 year old who hasn't been involved with a club since 1999?
Yep. My logic - bear with me - being that we are very unlikely to find a decent manager at this stage in the season so we effectively need a stop gap to get us through to the summer. Ron would have the fans on his side and improve morale at the club.
Okay, its pretty shit logic, but I'm desperate for change, and this was my alternative to offering a 4-year contract to the equivalent of Pulis/curbishley etc.
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Just overtook the team coach on M1. They are all relaxed watching the movies on their individual screens no doubt Lambert gave them an excellent talk before they set off!
I wonder what they're watching?
The Great Escape ?
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In a strange way, I get some comfort from reading the pain, anger and frustration flowing from this thread knowing that many are feeling the same as me. I was just too young to experience the period from 1966 to 1970 but that must be the only comparable period in our history to be so demoralising.
I just feel utterly humiliated by the slow demise of our great club. They should all hang their heads in shame.
Before my time as well, but that period was far worse than now given we ended in the equivalent of league one
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The massive thing that pisses me off is when he keeps banging on about how we create chances!!??
We've been creating 2 maybe 3 half chances at best all season. We watch the same game as him and he still goes on about how we we're still in it at 65 mins. We were never in it at 0-0, Arsenal tore us apart from the start.
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Honestly what can you expect when the CEO makes statements about the fans "baying for the manager's blood"? The whole running of the club for the last four and a half years has been based on representing the passion long standing fans show towards our results as extreme , as over the top, as nasty and the conduct of an underclass. So that the manager's position can be seen to be fixed, stable and justifiable the truth is manipulated so that the downgraded fans reputations and expectations are presented as what is in free fall.
If Lerner, Lambert and Fox had the breadth of vision to know what they are bringing about, they would see themselves as creating, game by game, New Fulham at Villa Park. Petty, docile, unquestioning footie followers following a petty, docile, unquestioning club.
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I remember that pic of them all having a beer on the team bus after that spineless 3-0 defeat at Spurs. Andi Weimann "whoop whooping" that the season was done.
Lambert had to go then. Writing was on the wall.
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Just overtook the team coach on M1. They are all relaxed watching the movies on their individual screens no doubt Lambert gave them an excellent talk before they set off!
I wonder what they're watching?
The Great Escape ?
Satantango. Everybody needs cheering up from time to time.
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No doubt Lerner is not even aware of the events of the day in north London . He will probably be mincing about at the SuperBowl Cup somewhere .
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Just overtook the team coach on M1. They are all relaxed watching the movies on their individual screens no doubt Lambert gave them an excellent talk before they set off!
I wonder what they're watching?
The Great Escape ?
Satantango. Everybody needs cheering up from time to time.
Or perhaps Dion Dublins favourite "snakes on a plane "
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Just overtook the team coach on M1. They are all relaxed watching the movies on their individual screens no doubt Lambert gave them an excellent talk before they set off!
I wonder what they're watching?
The Great Escape ?
Was it reversing up the hard shoulder?
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I don't know which is worse - the thought of Lambert remaining in his post or the ridiculous clamours on WM for Peter Withe to be given the job.
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I don't know which is worse - the thought of Lambert remaining in his post or the ridiculous clamours on WM for Peter Withe to be given the job.
Well, Peter did effectively throw his hat into the ring.
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No words.
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Tomorrow all eyes will be on the transfer window. By Tuesday people will have calmed down a bit and will be saying "well it was Arsenal away." On Friday some will predict in the pre match thread that we'll get a result against Chelsea because of Mourinho's record against us. Then on Saturday night we'll all feel this fucking misery again. And he'll still be here.
This
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Embarrassing. Pathetic. Disgusting. Humiliating. Unacceptable. Managed by idiot, owned by an idiot. Play like idiots. We should be relegated on performances like that.
Can't disagree with any of that.
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Practically anyone who has managed at a decent level would get more out of these players. They may not be world beaters, but the random tactics & team selections of current chancer must grind the players down every bit as much as it does us.
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Agree if you say it quietly we have got the makings of a decent first 11. Tim Sherwood for me. Convinced he would do well with these players.
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We chatted about this earlier... we haven't got a terrible squad, a bit light in quality in midfield, but generally adequate to have at least 5 shots on target a game, add this to a 5th Round home FA Cup draw and a new manager could come in and be the messiah!
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In a strange way, I get some comfort from reading the pain, anger and frustration flowing from this thread knowing that many are feeling the same as me. I was just too young to experience the period from 1966 to 1970 but that must be the only comparable period in our history to be so demoralising.
I just feel utterly humiliated by the slow demise of our great club. They should all hang their heads in shame.
The period of real neglect was 1964 with the shameful sacking of Mercer following illness to the end of 1968 with the arrival of Docherty and the new board. You are correct, this is the first time since then that there has been such an utter lack of hope for the future. Right now it feels like February 1967.
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I remember that pic of them all having a beer on the team bus after that spineless 3-0 defeat at Spurs. Andi Weimann "whoop whooping" that the season was done.
Lambert had to go then. Writing was on the wall.
Yes.
I dislike Roy Keane for many reasons, but you can imagine his reaction to that.
What the fcuk have you got to celebrate, or similar.
Gabby's comments after the Wigan away game during McLeish's horrible anus of a year were revealing too: "We just want the season to be over as soon as possible." This was in February.
We've had far too many players like that, way too comfortable for way too long.
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The last time we lost 0-5 away to Arsenal, the olearyout website was created, followed soon after by ellisout.
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In a strange way, I get some comfort from reading the pain, anger and frustration flowing from this thread knowing that many are feeling the same as me. I was just too young to experience the period from 1966 to 1970 but that must be the only comparable period in our history to be so demoralising.
I just feel utterly humiliated by the slow demise of our great club. They should all hang their heads in shame.
The period of real neglect was 1964 with the shameful sacking of Mercer following illness to the end of 1968 with the arrival of Docherty and the new board. You are correct, this is the first time since then that there has been such an utter lack of hope for the future. Right now it feels like February 1967.
October 1966 to the end of 1968 Andy. That was when Big Tone left us for Chelsea and all hope was lost.
Dreadful times. It feels like that now.
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Just overtook the team coach on M1. They are all relaxed watching the movies on their individual screens no doubt Lambert gave them an excellent talk before they set off!
He may have spoken to them.I doubt they were listening, they stopped doing that months ago
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Tomorrow all eyes will be on the transfer window. By Tuesday people will have calmed down a bit and will be saying "well it was Arsenal away." On Friday some will predict in the pre match thread that we'll get a result against Chelsea because of Mourinho's record against us. Then on Saturday night we'll all feel this fucking misery again. And he'll still be here.
Yup, I reckon that is exactly what is going to happen. Spot on.
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I don't know which is worse - the thought of Lambert remaining in his post or the ridiculous clamours on WM for Peter Withe to be given the job.
Well, Peter did effectively throw his hat into the ring.
and his wrist bands into the Holte
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Just overtook the team coach on M1. They are all relaxed watching the movies on their individual screens no doubt Lambert gave them an excellent talk before they set off!
Was Okore taking a selfie of himself in Cazorla's shirt?
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Maybe today was a cunning ploy by Lambert to use a complete capitulation to leverage (I hate that word) more transfer funds out of Lerner.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-paul-lambert-8558625
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Sometimes i wish Roy Keane had remained.I can't imagine him putting up with the half-hearted attitude of too many players.Theres so many who pass the buck of responsibility its ridiculous.The only player who tried things today was Gil, and CB looks so devoid of confidence.
Gabby looks overweight as well.
We might just about survive, but this managers tactical nous is non-existant.A 1st team of Guzan, Sissokho, Okores, Vlaar, Hutton, Delph, Sanchez, Gil and CB, is not a bad team, but they are so nrgative in their set up its ridiculous.
Bring in a Karanca kind of manager, and we will be comfortably in the top10, with another addition or 2.
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It now appears that the national sports press are latching onto the ineptitude from too to bottom at Villa.I suspect that Lerner, Lambert and co are going to find the next few months a lot more uncomfortable than dealing with our opinions expressed on websites.
That at least is the straw I am clutching at.
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We played poor yet again and it was freezing cold at the Emirates plus another league game without a goal.
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It's starting to remind me of the end of Sven's England career when everyone wanted him out, not least the FA, but they couldn't afford to pay him up and he wasn't going to turn down the compo.
I think that's the sad truth unfortunately, which makes the contract extension at the start of the season even more baffling.
Although I don't think it's the money, they just can't be arsed going through all that again.
I agree with this.
When Fox came out with the line ''The easy thing to do would be change the manager'' I instantly thought bollocks. The easy thing for you all to do is keep Lambert in the firing line, hoping to get us through to the end of the season where you get another few months to try and sell the club or go again. The hardest thing to do would be face the music and put some work in to get a bloody decent manager and face all the questions about another load of shit decisions you've all made.
They're happy to go along with the status quo on the back of more veiled talk of plans and unseen happenings that will turn out just fine in the end. Nice words, but the proof is in the pudding on the pitch and boy does the pudding taste like a turd pie.
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It's starting to remind me of the end of Sven's England career when everyone wanted him out, not least the FA, but they couldn't afford to pay him up and he wasn't going to turn down the compo.
In a period of complete fuckwittery the award of a new contract to Lambert has to be pretty high up there.
The cost of sacking him would be dwarfed by the cost of relegation.
I'm 100% convinced Lambert was given the new contract during his summer meetings and they waited hoping we had an Ok start to announce it.
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The last time we lost 0-5 away to Arsenal, the olearyout website was created, followed soon after by ellisout.
Both lambertout.com and .co.uk are already up and running.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-paul-lambert-8558625
"Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert is fed up of battling relegation season after season"......So are we, sod off.
You probably cant print the things Im feeling........Join H & V, they print what we feel about it.
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Was the clueless ones lastest left back left back injured today or is it just another one that he has discovered is just not very good?
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The last time we lost 0-5 away to Arsenal, the olearyout website was created, followed soon after by ellisout.
Both lambertout.com and .co.uk are already up and running.
Why are people touting lambers?
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-paul-lambert-8558625
"Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert is fed up of battling relegation season after season"......So are we, sod off.
You probably cant print the things Im feeling........Join H & V, they print what we feel about it.
They probably can't print half the things he's saying, on account of the fact that they don't know what he's saying.
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Sky showed a table of the lowest scorers in English football after today's game. It won't surprise anyone that we are 92nd of course but incredibly we are 9 goals behind Smethwick in 91st. That isn't even close.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-paul-lambert-8558625
Fuck off, Lambert.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-paul-lambert-8558625
What does he want, sympathy or something?
I really don't like him. I know it shouldn't be personal but, fuck it.....he's a wanker and I want him out.
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Don't think even in the relegation to div 3 and other relegation battles have I ever felt as low as I do now.
Maybe this should be under a new thread but as a protest why don't we all wear black armbands to the next game and so on if we get beat they all get thrown onto the pitch at the end.
A pitch with thousands of black armbands on it at the end would surely be embarrassing to the prats in charge when shown on m o t d
Villa till I die
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sing ya heart out with your back to the game
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sing ya heart out with your back to the game
Sing if your happy that way!
To the tune of Tom Robinson?
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Just overtook the team coach on M1. They are all relaxed watching the movies on their individual screens no doubt Lambert gave them an excellent talk before they set off!
was it groundhog day they were watching?
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He's crying out for a pay off isn't he. And the board won't give it him.
It's a desperate situation that has only 1 outcome .
11 goals and it's February ! Truly shocking.
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What's the betting we won't be hearing much PR shit this week like we did after last week's rare win.
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What's the betting we won't be hearing much PR shit this week like we did after last week's rare win.
Or they could go the other way and try some Jedi mind trick feel good propaganda.
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Chico and I were chatting to an Arsenal fan in the pub after the game and he claimed to have a Tamworth mate who is friends with Sid. Allegedly, according to Sid, the players are demoralised and not playing for Lambert but looking for a contract elsewhere.
What most surprised me about this was that an Arsenal fan could be bothered to listen to Villa rumours.
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I think you are right sil. He is daring them to sack him. He knows he won the jackpot with that four year contract and he is determined to screw as much out of the club as he can. because it was their idea to give him the four year contract in the first place they have to try to tough it out otherwise their ineffable stupidity is exposed. It is like watching a Mexican stand off between protagonists armed with toy guns.
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Which obviously explains Delph jumping ship at the first opportunity.
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Chico and I were chatting to an Arsenal fan in the pub after the game and he claimed to have a Tamworth mate who is friends with Sid. Allegedly, according to Sid, the players are demoralised and not playing for Lambert but looking for a contract elsewhere.
What most surprised me about this was that an Arsenal fan could be bothered to listen to Villa rumours.
Somebody obviously didn't tell Delph about this plan. He'll be bloody livid when he finds out.
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It's a question of pride now for me, and whether Lerner actually has any. Today was woeful. Embarrassing. We are setting all sorts of unwanted records, hence seeking pride from our owner.
The possession thing is a load of crap. Keeping the ball in the first two thirds of the pitch is pointless if you can't do more in the final third. The players clearly are not playing for the Manager. Change really does appear to be the only option.
Interesting point made by a Talk Sport caller. Who exactly are the people who sit next to Paul Lambert?
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The worst thing about today's result? It wasn't really that much of a surprise.
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Chico and I were chatting to an Arsenal fan in the pub after the game and he claimed to have a Tamworth mate who is friends with Sid. Allegedly, according to Sid, the players are demoralised and not playing for Lambert but looking for a contract elsewhere.
What most surprised me about this was that an Arsenal fan could be bothered to listen to Villa rumours.
And who do these players that currently look a sack of shit expect they are going to get a contract from?
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I've used up all of my brownie points by staying out and having a few pints at my local post game. Come home, the kids are in bed and the missus opens the door after calling her mobile, the landline, and knocking the door and then the letterbox. She opens the door and before I can blame mates she's fucked off to bed. I'm on all manner of fucking shit. Cheers Lambert you wanker. oh. and Okere and Sanchez were fucking shit. As was Clevereley but I expected that.
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We screwed up the games over Xmas we needed points and goals In - Sunderland palace Leicester , now we pay for it.
Absolute disgrace what's happening.
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I was glad to hear Carragher says a few choice words after the game. We're Aston Villa not some Mickey Mouse outfit just happy to plod along in the Premier League for a couple of seasons before the inevitable relegation.
Lerner has got away with murder at Villa, and has turned us into a laughing stock. 11 goals in 23 league games is so bad it's stunning, yet the manager is till in a job. If you didn't laugh you'd cry.
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I would like to see anyone in their right mind defend the Lambert and Lerner fiasco.
Oh it'll happen. We'll be reminded that Lerner wasted a quarter of a billion pounds and left the club worse off. Three cheers!
He did but those days are long gone for them to be an excuse he wrote the debt off so no one with a right mind can defend these fools.
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As an aside, didn't we lose 5-0 at Arsenal that night old balloon face had to go in goal for us?
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As an aside, didn't we lose 5-0 at Arsenal that night old balloon face had to go in goal for us?
Yes.
Looking ahead to next week and Chelsea at home, what's our heaviest home defeat ever ?
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23 matches 22 points 11 goals, what's even worse is the last 19 matches 12 points 7 goals. Form that makes us relegation certainties.
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The second goal summed it up for me.
25 yards from their goal Richardson showed a little enterprise in cutting inside in an attempt to create an opening. What was there for him?
F**k all! Not one Villa player in sight, or running into the space, or wanting the ball, or using the space to create danger/threat, and seeing that he can't do anything, an opponent bears down on him, nicks the ball off him and within 3 passes they've scored.
I went to today's game with a solid sense of optimism. I've come home completed gutted, humiliated and at my wit's end wondering what is happening to my beloved Aston Villa.
I thought we were pretty solid defensively...until today. I know Arse are a good side with some outstanding players but they just brushed us aside as if we were an insignificant inconvenience.
If I hadn't written all that bollocks I'd say I was lost for words.
UTV!
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Up until the last couple of games we have been solid defensively. Then Leicester away really told me we looked in desperate trouble. The most one sided 1-0 defeat ever where 4/5-0 would have been justified. No goals and now shipping lots of goals. This will only end one way.
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Guzan - 4 - thought he was as bad as I've seen him and the whole penalty debacle summed up his and our day
hutton - 5 - did nothing good, or bad, throughout the game
Okore - 4 - As bas as i've seen him. Slow, sluggish and the goals came through his side.
Clark - 6 - defensively better than Okore and occasionally tried to carry the ball out
Richardson - 4 - You're there to carry am attacking threat. So try.
Gil - 7 - always trying and always looking bright and hopeful.
Cleverley - 4- I never give less than 4 but this is generous
Delph - 6 - tried but no help
Sanhez - 0 - fucking awful
Weimann - 5 - no help but still tried to run the channels
Benteke -4 - maybe we will have him next season
Subs:
Gabby: 4 - I was in the West Wing/Stand/Bank/End and everyone was laughing at the pitiful attempt to win the ball with his head in the middle of the pitch. useless
Sinclair - 6 - Promising. I liked what he did.
probably someone else - 5 - can't remember them. says it all.
It was shit.
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I reckon they were on the piss last night.
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Message to Paul Lambert: 1. We were never in the game.
2. You don't play a high line against a top side.
3. It is better to make changes before going three down.
4. We had one clear chance (Weimann) all game.
5. You are bringing disgrace to the club and yourself.
6. Do the right thing and fuck off.
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Guzan - 4 - thought he was as bds as I've seen him and the whole penalty debacle summed up his and our day
hutton - 5 - did nothing good, or bad, througgout the game
Okore - 4 - As bas as i've seen him. Slow, sluggish and the goals came through his side.
Clark - 6 - defensively better than Okore and occasionally tried to carry the ball out
Richardson - 4 - You're there to carry am attacking threat. So try.
Gil - 7 - always trying and always looking bright and hopeful.
Cleverley - 4- I neve rgive less than 4 but this is generous
Delph - 6 - tried but no help
Sanhez - 0 - fucking awful
Weimann - 5 - no help but still tried to run the channels
Benteke -4 - maybe we will have him next season
Subs:
Gabby: 4 - I was in the West Wing/Stand/Bank/End and everyone was laughing at the puitiful attempt to wi the ball with his head in the middle of the pitch. uselss
Sinclair - 6 - Promising. I liked what he did.
probably someone else - 5 - can't remember them. says it all.
It was shit.
As much as Gil was tidy on the ball, he has to at least take a share of responsibility for the second half shambles down our right hand side. Hutton was hopeless defensively too.
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Message to Paul Lambert: 1. We were never in the game.
2. You don't play a high line against a top side.
3. It is better to make changes before going three down.
4. We had one clear chance (Weimann) all game.
5. You are bringing disgrace to the club and yourself.
6. Do the right thing and fuck off.
Robbo, Paul just text me a reply " I thought we were excellent"
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All I wanted was for us to turn up. And we didn't/couldn't do that. fucking shitting fucking wankers.
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Saved myself £170 by not going today I reckon. Hats off to all who did go. The owner , management , and players do not deserve such unwavering support .
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Two shots ROBBO, Westwood in the dying seconds. Theo Walcott' s interview after the game, mentioned the fun of the Villa fans with their ironic cheering.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-boss-paul-lambert-8558625
"Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert is fed up of battling relegation season after season"......So are we, sod off.
You probably cant print the things Im feeling........Join H & V, they print what we feel about it.
Exactly, the main person who can do something about not being in relegation fights is you, if you're not up to the job then leave. I seriously can't think of a worse thing to see a manager say after the amount of shit the fans have had to put up with. If you're pissed off and incapable of doing anything about it and then being told by the club you're idiots and can't see the big picture then you're allowed to say you're fed up.
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I don't care about his pain. I believe he's feeling it, I really do, professionally. I also care about Aston Villa, far far more than he could ever do, and he's ruining us to the point of relegation. So, no, I don't care how much it hurts Lambert because it will never touch mine.
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The opposition goals are like virgins. They never get entered.
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Two shots ROBBO, Westwood in the dying seconds. Theo Walcott' s interview after the game, mentioned the fun of the Villa fans with their ironic cheering.
I saw that quote on Twitter. I assumed it was a wind-up. Christ, that really is crap when a member of the other side is moved to comment on your shortcomings above and beyond the usual nothing platitudes.
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Two shots ROBBO, Westwood in the dying seconds. Theo Walcott' s interview after the game, mentioned the fun of the Villa fans with their ironic cheering.
I appologize, i didn't see that it had all become too much for me at that point. God help us.
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My first away game in ages my son's first one ever oh well! Have to say Sanchez was as bad as the home game v Arsenal if not even worse, Gabby is overweight, Cleverly anonymous and Richardson not a defender. Oh and god knows what's happened to Benteke. Great support though as expected, Arsenal very quiet considering the football they play.
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I turned off at 2-0 then sat there for an hour in a stunned silence, I'm Fucking sick of these gutless performances, Benteke & Sanchez were Fucking hopeless,someone just put me out of my misery
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Lambert's comments are staggering
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Absolute fucking rubbish! We are desperate.
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I had a glimmer of hope before the game with the optimism of Gil had brought vs Bournemouth. Give them a game for 60 - 70 mins, they get an inevitable goal, tire and we somehow sneak a point via Gil. After 8mins that evaporated and I thought it would be 6 or 7 - 0. Incredibly sad because of how crap I know we are.
Depressed for the hundredth weekend.
Caught a bit of 5 live about 5pm and the reporter (whoever he was) was giving PL a semi-grilling. At the end he mentioned whether PL was the man to try to keep Villa up. PL didnt answer or gave a non-answer.
Because of the bad times at B6 at the moment my imagination is running wild in that he sounded like he wants out but wont go. Depending on how ruthless the Fox is, to prevent us paying compo they will let it get worse i.e. no communication with him and let him carry on doing the same stupid things week in, week out. Once the 7th goes in by Chavski at 4.30pm on saturday and the fans have the Bolton moment he will walk.
Flip side is right now Fox and PL are discussing severance.
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Gill looks a bit of a player, and genuinely looks like he can influence a game.
BUT, it struck me today that we can't enjoy even the (small) positive things because of the ocean of shite surrounds them.
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I know he still appears safe due to the people at the top being buffoons but if Chelsea were to humiliate us by hitting us for 5 or 6 at home on Saturday with us not scoring again then surely that would mean the end for Lambert
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The Bolton moment will be v Stoke I reckon and then WBA
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I'm going to say it again, Nigel Clough.
What about Nigel Clough?
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I know he still appears safe due to the people at the top being buffoons but if Chelsea were to humiliate us by hitting us for 5 or 6 at home on Saturday with us not scoring again then surely that would mean the end for Lambert
We say that after every match. He's bullet proof.
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not for me.
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I know he still appears safe due to the people at the top being buffoons but if Chelsea were to humiliate us by hitting us for 5 or 6 at home on Saturday with us not scoring again then surely that would mean the end for Lambert
Probably get a contract extension.
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Two shots ROBBO, Westwood in the dying seconds. Theo Walcott' s interview after the game, mentioned the fun of the Villa fans with their ironic cheering.
I saw that quote on Twitter. I assumed it was a wind-up. Christ, that really is crap when a member of the other side is moved to comment on your shortcomings above and beyond the usual nothing platitudes.
For what it's worth, Walcott can fuck right off!
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I left at 4-0, utter rubbish. The table says we are not the worst side in the league but my eyes see a different picture. Having played defensive football all season why be so open against a team who are capable of ripping teams to shreds? Clueless tactics although even that cannot excuse some of the individual performances today.
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The really worrying thing for me (more worrying even than the lack of tactics, goals, etc) is the apparent lack of character in the team. There's no leadership. There's no Petrov, no Barry. Fuck, there's not even a Richard Dunne. Who on earth is going to get us out of this mess?
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Watched it on the telly and all I could hear was the Villa fans, and the rest of the football world sniggering.
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I know he still appears safe due to the people at the top being buffoons but if Chelsea were to humiliate us by hitting us for 5 or 6 at home on Saturday with us not scoring again then surely that would mean the end for Lambert
We say that after every match. He's bullet proof.
What we really need is a biggish name former player or manager (Big Ron or someone of his ilk) to go after the three amigos in the national media. They need to point out that Lerner's disinterest is bordering on negligent, Fox's comments are bordering on delusional and to point out that the unwanted records Lambert has amassed during his time at the club are more than enough of an excuse to part ways with him. As Dave W has pointed out previously, Mat Kendrick was moved on from the Evening Mail because he had the temerity to suggest that Lambert should have been sacked at the end of last season, so it's obvious that the local media aren't going to go after them.
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I know he still appears safe due to the people at the top being buffoons but if Chelsea were to humiliate us by hitting us for 5 or 6 at home on Saturday with us not scoring again then surely that would mean the end for Lambert
He is going nowhere.
These idiots are building a team based on helping him. That's how fucking stupid they are.
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If you were TSM2 would you resign and sign away £3m... They can't/won't after the comments this week. What a mess.
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If you were TSM2 would you resign and sign away £3m... They can't/won't after the comments this week. What a mess.
He'd be owed 3.5 years salary so probably closer to £7m pay off
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If you were TSM2 would you resign and sign away £3m... They can't/won't after the comments this week. What a mess.
He'd be owed 3.5 years salary so probably closer to £7m pay off
You don't know that. We have no idea what the terms of Lambert's contract are.
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I don't care about his pain. I believe he's feeling it, I really do, professionally. I also care about Aston Villa, far far more than he could ever do, and he's ruining us to the point of relegation. So, no, I don't care how much it hurts Lambert because it will never touch mine.
This.
Big time.
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Clark was shite for the 1st goal. Play to the fucking whistle - he could have got there without the Tony Adams impression
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Gabby when waiting to come on as sub looked like he was 'pumped up' and I don't mean really enthusiastic. Once an opposition would worry when he was about to come on but now I don't think they give a toss. He's no goal threat at all now.
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Clark was shite for the 1st goal. Play to the fucking whistle - he could have got there without the Tony Adams impression
Giroud also lost control of the ball - I thought: wanker, he's fu**ed that up - then he goes and recovers and places it comfortably over the advancing Guzan.
(the bloke behind me said he should have done better - I'm naïve enough to think that everybody just does their best. Which probably encapsulates Lambert's tactics: "just go out and give it a bit of a go lads...whether we're losing or winning i'll make completely pointless substitutions and tell the whole world we're fu**ing excellent! Whose turn to pick the movie for the journey home? Pass the Pringles will yer?")
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Only just got home after stopping at a mate's house to let the traffic die down. As a result I haven't read the last 24 pages but was that really as bad as it looked?! Thankfully I was sat on row 2 so could barely see anything. I think that was a saving grace.
Also, at what point did the majority of the team consider the fans in such contempt that all they could do after a performance that piss poor is to get off the pitch as quickly as possible? I saw 4 players look at the crowd and clap at the end of the game. Benteke and "Captain" Agbonlahor couldn't get off the pitch quick enough the pair of wankers.
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These MOTD2 highlights are horrific. Our lads giving up chasing the Arsenal players for their second and third goals. Hutton was barely in his own half for the second goal, same for Okore for the third.
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Great analysis by Keowngoal to be fair.
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Today told me that we are going down. I sat and watched my team give up at two nil.
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Only just got home after stopping at a mate's house to let the traffic die down. As a result I haven't read the last 24 pages but was that really as bad as it looked?! Thankfully I was sat on row 2 so could barely see anything. I think that was a saving grace.
Also, at what point did the majority of the team consider the fans in such contempt that all they could do after a performance that piss poor is to get off the pitch as quickly as possible? I saw 4 players look at the crowd and clap at the end of the game. Benteke and "Captain" Agbonlahor couldn't get off the pitch quick enough the pair of wankers.
Wanted to swap shirts no doubt.
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Keown bores me but he summed it up perfectly.
We've lost our pace ( don't agree ) with the Gabby should be starting but we we're dangerous when we were direct, we don't have the players to play a slow passing game.
That 30 second clip said it all.
FUCK STATS, just get it forward any how.
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According to the BBC football website we had 52% of the possession. That's pretty impressive against a good technical footballing side like Arsenal away from home. So it looks like Lambert has cracked it in that respect. I can't help thinking though that there is some kind of fundamental flaw in his approach, a nagging doubt that's something to do with us now having the worst goal difference in the PL. But I can't quite put my finger on it for the moment.
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Lambert has 'cracked' what exactly?
Possession means absolutely fuck all if you don't do anything with the ball.
Possession? My arse.
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Lambert has 'cracked' what exactly?
Possession means absolutely fuck all if you don't do anything with the ball.
Possession? My arse.
Last season we surrendered possession to the opposition, but this season we decided to hold onto the ball and pass it harmlessly from side to side. It seems whatever Lambert tries he fails.
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Lambert has 'cracked' what exactly?
Possession means absolutely fuck all if you don't do anything with the ball.
Possession? My arse.
This.
Been saying it for years but everyone seems to be brainwashed by La Liga and those bloody numbers and percentages Sky keep showing. We play the possession game along the back four, its bullshit. Hit the big man and play off him. We don't have the players to do anything else.
O'Neil played that game every single match and 9/10 times didn't do too bad.
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Lambert has 'cracked' what exactly?
Possession means absolutely fuck all if you don't do anything with the ball.
Possession? My arse.
Last season we surrendered possession to the opposition, but this season we decided to hold onto the ball and pass it harmlessly from side to side. It seems whatever Lambert tries he fails.
Neither approach makes sense. We are passing for the sake of passing for the moment. No pace on the passes, most of them are Tom Cleverley specials.
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Lambert has 'cracked' what exactly?
Possession means absolutely fuck all if you don't do anything with the ball.
Possession? My arse.
And my arse too.
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Hmmm possession is a dubious stat... especially when you give the ball away so easily time after time...as we did today.
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Notice how the more possession we have the less effective Benteke becomes ..we pass from side to side get it wide then pass it back.
We somehow today perfected the art of having not enough players in the attacking third and yet still get caught on the counter attack.
We have been utter shit for 12 months it's an absolute miracle we are still not in the bottom three.To my eyes we are clearly one of the worst 3 teams in the league and Lambert is by a country mile the worst manager in the league.
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As a certain Mr P Lambert said before the "New Villa Style of Play" was invented, the only worthwhile stat is.....
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"We started the second half really well but the second goal was the most disappointing thing about today. What has annoyed me probably the most is the acceptance to then lose by a few more. I'm used to winning games; that is the way my football and managerial career has panned out."
"I'm used to winning games"
Lolz
I didn't think he'd have time for Fifa. Oh maybe that is the problem.
He just has to go. I've seen through this poor excuse for a manager for about two years.
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I would love to genuinely know what Lerner is thinking tonight. Does he care at all, did he even watch the game or is he glued to the Super Bowl not giving two fucks about football any more?
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Notice how the more possession we have the less effective Benteke becomes ..we pass from side to side get it wide then pass it back.
We somehow today perfected the art of having not enough players in the attacking third and yet still get caught on the counter attack.
We have been utter shit for 12 months it's an absolute miracle we are still not in the bottom three.To my eyes we are clearly one of the worst 3 teams in the league and Lambert is by a country mile the worst manager in the league.
Second paragraph gets today's performance spot on David.
I thought exactly this through most of the game.
eg: 2nd goal. Richardson is dispossessed because there's no-one forward enough to pass it to...in 3 passes, we're outnumbered in defence and they score easily.
How?
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I would love to genuinely know what Lerner is thinking tonight. Does he care at all, did he even watch the game or is he glued to the Super Bowl not giving two fucks about football any more?
He probably doesn't even know we played today.
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I would love to genuinely know what Lerner is thinking tonight. Does he care at all, did he even watch the game or is he glued to the Super Bowl not giving two fucks about football any more?
He probably doesn't even know we played today.
point
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These MOTD2 highlights are horrific. Our lads giving up chasing the Arsenal players for their second and third goals. Hutton was barely in his own half for the second goal, same for Okore for the third.
Hutton and Richardson need to be told that they both cannot go chasing shadows miles up field at the same time and also lads how about someone covering from time to time?
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I would love to genuinely know what Lerner is thinking tonight. Does he care at all, did he even watch the game or is he glued to the Super Bowl not giving two fucks about football any more?
Fox said they both watch every match and come away with positives and enjoy it. The only positive today is that in Lerners tiny footballing mind we might be a little closer to a new manager.
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The analysis on MOTD2 brought up an interesting point. It was pointed out that we had more possesion% than Arsenal, and is the obsession with stats ruining the game? Kevin Kilbane said that players would check out their own stats first thing on a Monday morning in training to see how well they played. So if as a player you try and find the killer pass or go forward and lose possession you are berated by clueless manager, but if you keep possession and play it backwards and sideways, your stats will look impressive. That definitely would ring true for Villa under Lambert. this "new" style of play is all about meaningless stats.
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Lambert has 'cracked' what exactly?
Possession means absolutely fuck all if you don't do anything with the ball.
Possession? My arse.
The (rather obviously I thought) sarcastic tone of my post seems to have totally passed you by.
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The analysis on MOTD2 brought up an interesting point. It was pointed out that we had more possesion% than Arsenal, and is the obsession with stats ruining the game? Kevin Kilbane said that players would check out their own stats first thing on a Monday morning in training to see how well they played. So if as a player you try and find the killer pass or go forward and lose possession you are berated by clueless manager, but if you keep possession and play it backwards and sideways, your stats will look impressive. That definitely would ring true for Villa under Lambert. this "new" style of play is all about meaningless stats.
The original late 1990s Opta stats suggested Steve McManamam was a more effective player than Roy Keane.
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One thing you never hear after a match in which we have more often than not failed to win or even score in,is to hear or read our clueless idiot of a manager to actually take the blame and say blame me,i am the person to blame
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The worrying thing now, is what does he actually say in the changing room after the game
"You played well" = No
"You were unlucky"= No
"You created some decent chances" = No
' You defended well" = No
"We were excellent for 60 minutes" = No
If we are fed up of listening to the man and we only have to put up with it a couple of times a week, via press releases, what the hell must the players be feeling.
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One thing you never hear after a match in which we have more often than not failed to win or even score in,is to hear or read our clueless idiot of a manager to actually take the blame and say blame me,i am the person to blame
Absolutely right. And wait for the excuses to come thick and thick when we get settled in the bottom three.
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My first away game for a couple of years and one thing stuck out was the lack of anger at the result and performance by manager, players and fans alike. Most fans just trudged out from the third goal onwards. The players looked bereft of any response and the manager as usual said nothing of any value after the game. It is time he grew a pair and stated that the performance was unacceptable. Make telling decisions like hauling off Benteke or Sanchez when they aren't playing well. The players are so safe and sheltered it is unbelievable. He should have made everyone of them come over to the 2000 away fans at the end but no. The whole club is drifting to the abyss.
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Pathetic, embarrassing and gutless. What a bunch of over paid and under performing a-holes. No pride whatsoever. As for Lambert, words do not express how I feel about his incompetence.
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The analysis on MOTD2 brought up an interesting point. It was pointed out that we had more possesion% than Arsenal, and is the obsession with stats ruining the game? Kevin Kilbane said that players would check out their own stats first thing on a Monday morning in training to see how well they played. So if as a player you try and find the killer pass or go forward and lose possession you are berated by clueless manager, but if you keep possession and play it backwards and sideways, your stats will look impressive. That definitely would ring true for Villa under Lambert. this "new" style of play is all about meaningless stats.
The same meaningless stats that were done to death on here. I prefer the days of 30% possession and the odd shit 1-0 or 1-1 to 55% and never scoring.
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Lambert has 'cracked' what exactly?
Possession means absolutely fuck all if you don't do anything with the ball.
Possession? My arse.
The (rather obviously I thought) sarcastic tone of my post seems to have totally passed you by.
It did, by miles. Sorry!
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Poor start! Rest of the first half yes we had some possession but with the exception of Gil lacked pace tempo and any cutting edge
We had one chance missed it then once the second went in folded like a pack of cards! Arsenal were coasting and they didn't have Sanchez playing!
The least the players can do is give some money back to the fans at a ground which is probably one of the most expensive to visit!
As for the players Sanchez was truely woeful I'm sick of watching a player get the ball slow down the game then play a sideways pass or give it a way! If he is going to be at the base of the midfield he has to add some tempo play forward crisp passes sometimes.
Benteke is totally immobile and low in confidence we have to get more out of him one way might Actualky be to use his height like we used to!!!!
Richardson is not a left back!
Cleverley is not good enough
Agbonhalor is a disgrace
The most unforgivable act of the whole game was the way Lambert just walked down the tunnel didn't applaud the fans or even make the players go over to the fans! Coward and gutless
I will not go again under this manager
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The analysis on MOTD2 brought up an interesting point. It was pointed out that we had more possesion% than Arsenal, and is the obsession with stats ruining the game? Kevin Kilbane said that players would check out their own stats first thing on a Monday morning in training to see how well they played. So if as a player you try and find the killer pass or go forward and lose possession you are berated by clueless manager, but if you keep possession and play it backwards and sideways, your stats will look impressive. That definitely would ring true for Villa under Lambert. this "new" style of play is all about meaningless stats.
The same meaningless stats that were done to death on here. I prefer the days of 30% possession and the odd shit 1-0 or 1-1 to 55% and never scoring.
I don't think it was ever the point that we just needed more possession - we needed possession with purpose - Lambert dropped kick and rush which occasionally gave a result for something indescribably awful and the worst of all worlds - nobody ever said possession by itself won games - having a mixture of tactics seems quite useful
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The (completely top 5/6 obsessed) commentators over here picked up on 3 things
1. Arsenal have ditched the possession at all costs philosophy that St Paul the Goalless is now trying to embrace in favour of possession when nothing else is on, but looking to be very direct at almost every opportunity, but with controlled passing to make it effective. They look much better for it.
The very opposite of what we've done, although apart from 2½ golden months in 2013 at no point could you claim that we achieved anything more than direct hit and hope.
2. It looked very much like a team that really couldn't be arsed. Definitely not playing for the manager.
3. With the players we've got on the pitch, there's no way we should be in the trouble we're in. Instead the 5 games against other cannon fodder will have them rubbing their hands looking at getting after us. "Aston Villa are QPR's best chance of getting an away win this season"!
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Guardiola said much the same, surprisingly. He said that possession must always have a point, even if it's a defensive point (ie the old Clough line - if you have the ball in their half, they can't score). Stats are very useful, and a manager who ignores them is a Redknappish idiot, but stats on their own are meaningless - you need to combine them with the evidence of your own eyes.
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I read an interview with Guardiola where the journalist was asking him if he was going to turn Bayern München into a tika taka team like he'd done with Barcelona.
At read like he'd got really arsey with the journalist. Tika taka was possession for the sake of it, Barcelona had kept possession well when they couldn't get a quick break, but it was always about to trying to cause the opposition to over commit to one side of the pitch to allow a quick switch to the opposite wing to allow the sort of quick attack they really wanted to carry out.
Just remembered another point they made over here yesterday.
When we did try to press them high up the pitch it went wrong because we weren't doing it as a unit, but as individuals doing the headless chicken routine which made it easy for Arsenal to by-pass us and find themselves in acres of space.
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When we did try to press them high up the pitch it went wrong because we weren't doing it as a unit, but as individuals doing the headless chicken routine which made it easy for Arsenal to by-pass us and find themselves in acres of space.
Yep, this is another example of Lambert thinking he understands something, when he definitely doesn't. Pressing doesn't just mean, like, running at the opposition, man - you've got to do it in groups, it's got to be organised positionally, etc. It's actually quite complicated, and requires some work.
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one thing stuck out was the lack of anger at the result and performance by manager, players and fans alike. Most fans just trudged out from the third goal onwards.
Yep. I understand the gallows humour and the "laughing at ourselves" reaction during the match but the team should have been booed back into the changing room at fulltime and Lambert should be getting merciless stick for what he's getting away with. I honestly think the time has come to start doing it during the game. I mean, we were utterly shit yesterday and how much worse would we have been if the fans had been telling the players a few home truths? I reckon the only time half of the team broke into a sweat was when they were running back to the tunnel at half time.
Says me, who was back in the pub in Finsbury Park when the 5th goal went in....
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Chico you missed Westwood's shot on target how unlucky are you?
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When we did try to press them high up the pitch it went wrong because we weren't doing it as a unit, but as individuals doing the headless chicken routine which made it easy for Arsenal to by-pass us and find themselves in acres of space.
Yep, this is another example of Lambert thinking he understands something, when he definitely doesn't. Pressing doesn't just mean, like, running at the opposition, man - you've got to do it in groups, it's got to be organised positionally, etc. It's actually quite complicated, and requires some work.
At least four of their goals came the way you both have described our deficiencies. They attacked at pace and with confidence and we were too open and defending desperate Dan style.
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Even the penal;ty decision wasn't bothered with. The players just stood on the edge of the box waiting for it to be taken.
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Saved myself £170 by not going today I reckon. Hats off to all who did go. The owner , management , and players do not deserve such unwavering support .
I was thinking that as I watched it.Anyone who invests that amount of time and money following Villa currently deserves a medal
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Lambert has 'cracked' what exactly?
Possession means absolutely fuck all if you don't do anything with the ball.
Possession? My arse.
The (rather obviously I thought) sarcastic tone of my post seems to have totally passed you by.
It did, by miles. Sorry!
No worries, seems you weren't the only one so maybe not that obvious after all. What I was trying to convey is that Lambert is so thick that he seems to think achieving superior possession is an end in itself. One barely needs a functioning brain cell to realise that it means absolutely nothing without it leading to goals and points, yet the clown Lambert can't seem to grasp it.
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I couldn't be arsed to boo. When the the final whistle went, I just turned and walked out the ground.
I booed like fuck two years ago at the New Den, gave the players all sort of stick and much good t did, the useless ****** is still here. I save my voice so I can sing along to my iPod on another 200 mile journey north after a defeat.
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Chico and I were chatting to an Arsenal fan in the pub after the game and he claimed to have a Tamworth mate who is friends with Sid. Allegedly, according to Sid, the players are demoralised and not playing for Lambert but looking for a contract elsewhere.
What most surprised me about this was that an Arsenal fan could be bothered to listen to Villa rumours.
Somebody obviously didn't tell Delph about this plan. He'll be bloody livid when he finds out.
We made that point too. But it was rightly pointed out that it just means he earns more for a while and when he leaves he gets another salary increase and we get a higher fee because he is tied down for 4 years.
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I couldn't be arsed to boo. When the the final whistle went, I just turned and walked out the ground.
I would of left after the fourth but I hung on just in case Villa scored. However, after the fifth, I just shrugged my shoulders, said goodbye to the people next to me and wandered out.
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(http://www.andypowell.co.uk/temp/10958137_10153017652710792_751891783_n.jpg)
That's me on the right. And that's about as happy as I looked all afternoon.
The only consolation is I can get home from the library in 45 minutes. Credit to those who've still got hours left.
You do appreciate there are 3 people on the right of that picture, so I'm none the wiser as to your identity! Mind you, they all look fucking miserable (and with good cause).
I believe it is time our masters in (not so much) charge finally admit our current manager has to be replaced.
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(http://www.andypowell.co.uk/temp/10958137_10153017652710792_751891783_n.jpg)
That's me on the right. And that's about as happy as I looked all afternoon.
The only consolation is I can get home from the library in 45 minutes. Credit to those who've still got hours left.
Pitiful, depressing, what have we come to? I'm referring to the half 'n halfer skulking in the shadows of course
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This was rubbish.
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When Sky showed a few Villa fans still there just after the final whistle they appeared to be applauding. I can understand people not booing - or not being bothered to boo - but applaud? What's that about?
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I was caught on screen at the end too...
The clapping was to the 3 players I saw that bothered to acknowledge the fans, Delph, Hutton and Guzan.
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Wonder if Okore has framed Cazorla's shirt yet and got it on his wall .
Probably been sat starry eyed stairing at it all afternoon .
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Before half time, the commentators I heard were strongly critiquing our tactics, Lambet to change things at half time.
After half time they accepted that a change in approach if not immediatly a change in personel could work.
What they could not understand was that on such a cold day, why was nobody warming up to put some pressure on the 11 on the pitch.
When Westwood came on, the one guy said, " another midfield player from the Villa conveyer belt that is, tidy but has no great impact in going forward or defending "
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Playing a pressing game v Arse is a high-risk strategy at the best of times.
I think we would have done better to defend deep and look to break at pace.
Like we did last year!!!
Perhaps we should re-appoint the tactical wizard who was in charge that day and get rid of his useless twin brother who currently occupies the dug-out.