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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Dave on January 25, 2015, 04:54:56 PM
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A good day all round
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Carles the Great has arrived. Positive day all round for sure
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It was potentially tricky tie and we made hard work of it but we're through. Need to win a league game or two now though. Great goal from Gil and it wont have hurt Weimann's confidence to get one either.
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and the cup shocks continue...
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Positives - Delph new deal, Gil's brilliance, lovely second goal.
Negatives - We just about beat a Bournemouth side with 8 changes, they dominated the first half and Benteke was very poor.
It's a major relief to win, but we need to get a lot lot better.
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Chuffed. No doubt the 5th round draw will bring Bradford City away...
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The dream's still on.
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A weekend of cup shocks continues. Well done Villa.
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Our year.
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Cleverley - one of his better days. Seemed to have license to break forward more and did it well. Bacuna didnt take his chance again. Sanchez off form as well I think.
A win is a win.
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Yep, potential banana skin avoided and two superb goals to lift the confidence.
They were much the better side in the first half but once Gil worked his magic we improved enormously. The boost it gave us even extended to Andi putting away a tough chance. Us being us we conceded and had squeaky bum time but only for about 30 seconds.
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Three words:
Carles "Benny" Gil.
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Get Westwood and Gabby out the team, we move the ball quicker, better, and have better movement off the ball.
Gil looks a player, and i thought Cleverley had a better game.Still need at least one better player/forward to play off CB, but a step in the right direction imho.
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I thought Gil was excellent, everyone else was merely excellent. First half we struggled, but were excellent, second half very excellent. Into the fifth round, most excellent.
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(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/400/mcs/media/images/80508000/jpg/_80508300_villafans_getty.jpg)
Start saving for the eighth one, Brigada.
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Great goals anyway plus any win even over Bournemouth's reserves is a big plus.
Very disappointed with not keeping a clean sheet. They pretty much walked the ball in at the end, zero communication between our players there
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straight forward enough in the end. Quality from Gil. Poor from Benteke. according to Leeg it got a bit interesting on Witton Lane.
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Have to say, Clark was great today too.
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First half utter rubbish, they were by far the more convincing side.
Second half much better.
Look much more confident after we scored. Two excellent goals. In the same match, crikey.
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Have to say, Clark was great today too.
Good to hear. Get Delph and the real Benteke back and we're in no danger.
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Awful first half. Excellent second half. Excellent team goals. Excellent...er... Excellent.
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Positives - Delph new deal, Gil's brilliance, lovely second goal.
Negatives - We just about beat a Bournemouth side with 8 changes, they dominated the first half and Benteke was very poor.
It's a major relief to win, but we need to get a lot lot better.
Agreed. Biggest worry is yet again we produced nothing for Benteke. I was really hoping he'd get one today to get his confidence back but he just looked lost out there.
Still, we're through to the next round and right now that's all that matters. great to see a couple of goals at the Holte End too. They really did deserve a couple of classics and those two will be long remembered. Fantastic stuff.
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It's our year! Today was Lambert's Mark Robins Fergie moment, the only way is up from here!!!!
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Cleverley was actually decent today as well when he got forward.
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Chuffed. No doubt the 5th round draw will bring Bradford City away...
I'd like that. We need to show who's boss once and for all.
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Great to see us score a couple. Very dull first half from us but once we scored we were in control. I enjoy watching Okore and Sanchez play, not always perfect but they look like top players to me. We still need a pacy forward and I don't mean Gabby.
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Just seen this on twitter for the first time (most have probably already seen it) but my god, it's made me up for the cup. I know we won't make it in the end - it's the Villa - but I really wish we would.
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Just back. Lovely super smashing. Gil and Okore were superb. Hutton very good too.
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All you have to do in the Cup is win every tie...
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All you have to do in the Cup is win every tie...
You can draw a couple.
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All you have to do in the Cup is win every tie...
You can draw a couple.
You can draw games, but you have to win the tie.
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Blurdy 'elll Blurdy ell we won!! Villa Villa Villa.. we won. We're on our way to Wem-bell-lee!! Does the train still leave from Witton? Booking tickets tomorrow!
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Good to see two goals. Pity about the clean sheet. That said, I was expecting us to get a spanking due to the "Magic of the CupTM" so it is a good afternoon all round.
Anyway, every time I hear the name Bournemouth I have to watch the following video (it may have been given an airing on the pre-match thread, apologies if so).
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All you have to do in the Cup is win every tie...
You can draw a couple.
You can draw games, but you have to win the tie.
Precisely. Just like my choice of vocabulary!
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Great stuff. Two shots on target and two goals.
What's up with Benteke? Didn't look like he could be arsed.
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Pretty solid performance.
I thought Bournemouth offered more in the first half, but second half we 'managed' them pretty easily.
Two lovely goals, Okore and Clark were very,very good, with Clark being my man of the match.
What the bloody hell is wrong with a Benteke though? He really is looking a shadow of his usual self.
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Gil's goal was bloody brilliant. At last a player to excite!
Into the next round, that's all that matters!
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Good to see two goals. Pity about the clean sheet. That said, I was expecting us to get a spanking due to the "Magic of the CupTM" so it is a good afternoon all round.
Anyway, every time I hear the name Bournemouth I have to watch the following video (it may have been given an airing on the pre-match thread, apologies if so).
Great video. That was the season I started going down villa park. Our resurgence through the mid 70s to early 80s was down to me finishing a quarter of pineapple rock by half time each match. I didn't have the teeth left after 82...the rest was inevitable.
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Good to see two goals. Pity about the clean sheet. That said, I was expecting us to get a spanking due to the "Magic of the CupTM" so it is a good afternoon all round.
Anyway, every time I hear the name Bournemouth I have to watch the following video (it may have been given an airing on the pre-match thread, apologies if so).
Great video. That was the season I started going down villa park. Our resurgence through the mid 70s to early 80s was down to me finishing a quarter of pineapple rock by half time each match. I didn't have the teeth left after 82...the rest was inevitable.
There are not many clubs who have had a period of a little over 10 years as we did from 72 to 82. Third division to 1st division champions and champions of europe, plus a couple of league cups.
In fact, you could stretch that to 1987, and make it 15 years of incredible rollercoaster stuff.
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Gil has started his Villa career pretty welll, hasn't he? That goal today was of a very different level to the season average.
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Chuffed with the win today and two goals!!
Bring on Bradford.
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Agree Paulie. It rarely gets highlighted but it was a fabulous 10 year rise. My first game was Villa 5 Torquay 1 in 1972 and I was at Rotterdam a decade later.
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Sleepwalking towards FA Cup glory.
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Just back in record time - largely due to the King Edward School car park being (literally) full of Bournemouth supporters' cars so I had a head start on them from the Holte. First time I've seen the 'car park full' sign up at 2.00, but fortunately I've got a season ticket/numbered space so didn't get turned away. Great to hear before kick off that Delph has signed. Pretty poor first half and Bournemouth moved the ball round well and quickly. Another prize winner at half time! Much better second half with 2 quality goals, but I thought 'here we go again' when they got one back in ET, and Westwood really should have put it beyond any doubt at the end. But a good cup tie and we're in the hat for Monday. Outstanding players for me - Gil looks a real find and Clark played a captain's innings.
Have to say for the first time Benteke concerned me. There was a ball through to Weimann in the second half and he should have slipped Benteke in but pushed it wide. To say Benteke was half-arsed in retrieving the situation would be an over-statement. He simply wasn't interested. I've put his earlier frustrations down to being isolated & not getting much service, but today I saw something different. Worrying
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I was there for that Bournemouth game. That one and the Swindon one stick in most people's minds.
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I love you Carles, and I want to have your babies.
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Well deserved win. From the moment I parked the car there was something about their suddenly mysteriously huge away following that was irrationally totally winding me up so I'm glad we put them to the sword. Screw you Bournemouth taking photos like tourists, singing your stupid 'Premier League you're having a laugh' song', swanning around outside like you owned the place. Sorry we ruined your day out by being better than you.
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I think with Gill up there as well it will give the opposition something else to worry about other than double/triple marking Benteke.
Weimann showed a bit more today but the usual Gabby/Andi/Benteke within 10 yards of each other makes it very difficult to create.
Benteke for me is frustrated at the lack of service. This does look like it could change now...
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Benteke looked more half arsed than frustrated today. Maybe if he actually moved it may help. Wasn't impressed with him today I have to say.
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First half we were terrible, second half (or after the first goal at least) we were pretty decent.
Okore and Clark were very good
Weimann and Cleverly were much better than usual
Benteke was awful, both in a 'lack of effort' and a 'poor decision making' kinda way.
I love Gil already, we've needed a little spanish magician for a while now.
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First time since 1966 that I haven't had a season ticket or been collecting programme vouchers. Anybody got a spare ticket for the final ?
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Seen the highlights online now. Thought both goals were really good, but in different ways. Would say that they edged the first half and we edged the second. It was a close game, but we were the more clinical of the two so deserve to go through. As long as we don't get Bradford in the semis this could be our year ::)
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Oh yes that was a relief. I am particularly pleased as before the kickoff I stood next to a group of Bournemouth fans in an establishment close to the ground and they spent their time making fun of Villa team just announced. They were looking at their phones reading out the names and taking the piss big time. One of them mispronounced Carles Gil several times whilst introducing rudest possible versions into it. I bet he will remember his name forever now!
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Benteke looked more half arsed than frustrated today. Maybe if he actually moved it may help. Wasn't impressed with him today I have to say.
Yep other than a couple of bits of quality he was awful. He needs to sort his workrate out.
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Seen the highlights online now. Thought both goals were really good, but in different ways. Would say that they edged the first half and we edged the second. It was a close game, but we were the more clinical of the two so deserve to go through. As long as we don't get Bradford in the semis this could be our year ::)
Based on the highlights?
I'd say they were much the better side in the first half, and we were in the second half.
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The Fifth Round Draw, BBC1, The One Show, 7.20 pm, Monday. And the numbers here. 4 v 8 nailed on. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30974098
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Seen the highlights online now. Thought both goals were really good, but in different ways. Would say that they edged the first half and we edged the second. It was a close game, but we were the more clinical of the two so deserve to go through. As long as we don't get Bradford in the semis this could be our year ::)
Based on the highlights?
I'd say they were much the better side in the first half, and we were in the second half.
Also listened to the match on the radio. Thought we started the first half well and it was quite an end to end game, but then we faded and they were really threatening. Second half we took control, not only with the end product, but we also killed the game off nicely.
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Interesting that they made 8 changes today, I wonder why? I also wonder what their 6000 fans think of that?
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Good to see two goals. Pity about the clean sheet. That said, I was expecting us to get a spanking due to the "Magic of the CupTM" so it is a good afternoon all round.
Anyway, every time I hear the name Bournemouth I have to watch the following video (it may have been given an airing on the pre-match thread, apologies if so).
I often wonder if the guy who runs on to the pitch is the same one who ran on with the brolly when Dalian scored his wonder goal against Wimbledon
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Interesting that they made 8 changes today, I wonder why? I also wonder what their 6000 fans think of that?
Maybe because they lost on Wednesday at home to shitty Leeds.
At least now they can concentrate on getting promotion, so they can spend next season getting twatted at big stadiums all over the country.
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Benteke looked more half arsed than frustrated today. Maybe if he actually moved it may help. Wasn't impressed with him today I have to say.
He seems to have adopted a half hearted stance towards leading from the front in the past couple of months. I do hope Uncle Paul has a quiet
word in his ear shortly.
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Enjoyed the second half obviously and a fair few positives for me:
1) Clark and Okore are a very good pair. I would let Vlaar go now without a doubt with Senderos and Baker as cover.
2) Gil is a potentially great footballer and a joy to watch.
3) Delighted for Andi, he is a striker and a great finisher when given the chance, fab movement and finish. His chasing down also helped lead to the opener.
4) I thought Cleverley had his best half for us, was tidy and industrious and also made a few runs into the box which we need.
I think Benteke has been feeling the weight of expectation on bailing us out so hopefully he will get through it, he is still young and I think his confidence needs boosting. Once it is he will start scoring again.
Did we miss Gabby, no, didn't think so. Impact sub at best.
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Also Lambo does deserve credit for changing the formation and moving Gil to the right. Let's have a bit more dynamic management and tactics in future.
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In the second half I think around 65 or 75 mins we had a lovely passage of play which was leading somewhere until 'I can't be arsed anymore Benteke' gave it straight back to them, really wasn't impressed with him today. Even Cleverley put in a decent ball for him and he was nowhere to be seen.
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Okore and Gil were excellent. Benteke needs a kick up the arse. The rest did a decent job.
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Interesting that they made 8 changes today, I wonder why? I also wonder what their 6000 fans think of that?
Maybe because they lost on Wednesday at home to shitty Leeds.
At least now they can concentrate on getting promotion, so they can spend next season getting twatted at big stadiums all over the country.
Apparently they do this for all of their cup games, so their supporters are used to it.
Apart from the goals and the win, I was pleased that we were moving the ball around quicker, even in the first half which they shaded. Like most other posters I was not happy with Benteke, and his failure to ever acknowledge good work from his team mates which I have noted in previous games does not augur well. I get the impression that PL is going to have to earn his corn to get him back on track.
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Enjoyed the second half obviously and a fair few positives for me:
1) Clark and Okore are a very good pair. I would let Vlaar go now without a doubt with Senderos and Baker as cover.
2) Gil is a potentially great footballer and a joy to watch.
3) Delighted for Andi, he is a striker and a great finisher when given the chance, fab movement and finish. His chasing down also helped lead to the opener.
4) I thought Cleverley had his best half for us, was tidy and industrious and also made a few runs into the box which we need.
I think Benteke has been feeling the weight of expectation on bailing us out so hopefully he will get through it, he is still young and I think his confidence needs boosting. Once it is he will start scoring again.
Did we miss Gabby, no, didn't think so. Impact sub at best.
That's how I'm seeing it, too.
His injury is a real b*stard of an injury. Players struggle to come back from Achilles injuries, so I think we have to be patient for him to gain confidence and form.
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Typical cup game for me.
1st Half: They started brightly and tried to unsettle us. Apart from a couple of half chances I can't recall any great danger.
2nd Half: Felt we controlled the game.
Thought our back four were excellent.
And well done Shay Given, too.
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Benteke needs to realise that you have to give 100% in every game if he wants to be a top class player. If he isn't going to put the effort into a game then he's going to get fuck all out of it..Today was his chance to give the Bournemouth defenders a torrid time but he never really bothered them.
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Just back and celebrating with a bottle of Hopping Hare!
A bit of a stalemate 1st half but they definitely looked better on the ball and better movement off it. Wish we could play as slick.
Much better second half, once the nerves were relieved by the early goal...which was brilliant! Best move of the game for our second -well taken Andi.
Thought Given had a really solid game considering he hasn't played for yonks.
Back four were solid but thought Okore and Clark were truly outstanding. Jores is a talented footballer but how much better does Clark look this season...both got us out of a few tight spots with apparent ease. Ron who?
Cleverley ok, not the best of games for Sanchez, but he's got it, Bacuna was poor except for the brilliant ball through to Hutton for the 2nd goal, Gil looks a genuine threat but I felt played too deep 1st half, Andi had one of his better games. Benteke was very poor and looks like he's got lead in his boots and he needs to put himself about a lot more. Defenders used to be afraid of him...their guys had him pretty comfortably tied up for most of the game.
On paper this should have been a close game with the Prem side just edging it.
And that's what happened.
The potential banana skin was a massive one.
Pity we conceded right at the death, but some encouraging signs.
Home draw please!
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I couldn't go today but had updates and got back in time to watch from just before the second goal. For the next 15 minutes or so I thought we controlled things really well, moving the ball quickly, instead of always needing an extra touch, which makes the play so much more threatening. I know we have had a dozen false dawns over the last couple of years but add Delph into that midfield and get Benteke back on form and things just might start to turn around.
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I said the same to my mate. A midfield with Delph, Gil and Sanchez is beginning to sound a bit more like it
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It's possible that Benteke looks at Bony getting a move to Man Citeh and thinks that ought to be him.
He does seem to be going through the motions.
At his best, he is a better all-round forward than Bony. Problem is, injuries have robbed him of a chance to show that on a consistent basis.
At the moment, he doesn't even look good enough for us -and that's with our well known limitations.
All that said, it was from February onwards in his first season that he really started motoring. A repeat of that and Delph getting back to something approaching his best and we should be fine.
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Bentekes touch was really poor today and he won very little aerially . Looked under the weather perhaps ?
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Fun game! Wish Westwood would have put that last chance away though. I love Gil. I thought Richardson had a bit of a mare.
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I think the differences in current attitude from Benteke and Weimann is typified with the second goal. (check the BBC page for it). Andi has the ball on the left. He plays it into the centre and pops up running into the box on the right hand side to finish. In the meantime Benteke has barely moved 5 yards from the start of the move to the end. He should have been running at the goal in case Hutton played it across the 6 yard box.
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Amazing how a goal can get the confidence back. We looked more assured after Carles strike.
Eventually a professional performance to get through.
Special mention to Shay, who was tremendous. Just a shame he knows he'll be dropped however well he plays.
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Bentekes touch was really poor today and he won very little aerially . Looked under the weather perhaps ?
On about 65 minutes he seemed to just stop playing - he went out wide in their penalty area and just stopped, then bending over as if winded.
Had his couple of runs on the edge of the area and one good ball when we were well on top. Thought he was injured?
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Yup Andi worked his ass off today. He started several moves and then sprinted to be on the end of them. Tremmendous work rate for 90 mins. Very happy for him.
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Kicking off in Witton Lane was it?
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Bentekes touch was really poor today and he won very little aerially . Looked under the weather perhaps ?
On about 65 minutes he seemed to just stop playing - he went out wide in their penalty area and just stopped, then bending over as if winded.
Had his couple of runs on the edge of the area and one good ball when we were well on top. Thought he was injured?
Yep, and worrying that we had no striker on the bench again. When is Kozak back ?
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Didn't go today, but went to a local pub to watch it in, which was nice. First half, we looked like we normally do lately, passing it round and not doing very much with it.
Second half was so so much better. At 2-0, it felt like a professional performance. Wonderful goal from Charlie Gil and a cracking finish for the second. Sanchez once again breezed through the midfield. He makes it look really easy at times. If i've one complaint though, we did look a bit iffy at the back whenever they broke. Luckily, other than their goal, we dealt with it ok.
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Yep, and worrying that we had no striker on the bench again.
Apart from Graham Burke? ;)
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Just back and celebrating with a bottle of Hopping Hare!
A bit of a stalemate 1st half but they definitely looked better on the ball and better movement off it. Wish we could play as slick.
Much better second half, once the nerves were relieved by the early goal...which was brilliant! Best move of the game for our second -well taken Andi.
Thought Given had a really solid game considering he hasn't played for yonks.
Back four were solid but thought Okore and Clark were truly outstanding. Jores is a talented footballer but how much better does Clark look this season...both got us out of a few tight spots with apparent ease. Ron who?
Cleverley ok, not the best of games for Sanchez, but he's got it, Bacuna was poor except for the brilliant ball through to Hutton for the 2nd goal, Gil looks a genuine threat but I felt played too deep 1st half, Andi had one of his better games. Benteke was very poor and looks like he's got lead in his boots and he needs to put himself about a lot more. Defenders used to be afraid of him...their guys had him pretty comfortably tied up for most of the game.
Also went to the game and would agree with most of that. I thought they did edge the first half and looked threatening, but didn't really create too much. I thought we were far the better team after the break and had Westwood scored right at the end to make it 3-1, it would have been about the right result.
Clark and Okore were solid again, Cleverley picked up in the second half and Gil again showed some flashes of real quality. His goal was really special and I'm struggling to think of a better one in recent seasons. With the great news about Delph before the kick off, a good day all round.
Special mention to the two, *ahem* 'larger' female Bournemouth fans in the lower Doug Ellis who seemed to attract a lot of attention during the game and made a less than graceful exit.
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Really poor first half, really comfortable second.
We were so pedestrian first half that it's easy for any standard of opposition and we let Bournemoth dictate things. They created one or two chances and we looked as abject as ever.
Second half though I thought we bossed it. We moved the ball a lot quicker and Gil's finish was world class. He second goal was a good one too and I think that Andi played really well today as well. Disappointing to concede the late goal, but it made no difference and we are in the hat.
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Yep, and worrying that we had no striker on the bench again.
Apart from Graham Burke? ;)
Ah. I thought he was a midfielder .
Was sat quite close to the pitch today, dawned on me Sanchez can't speak much English at all. Must be difficult for him until he picks up a bit of the lingo.
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Well deserved win. From the moment I parked the car there was something about their suddenly mysteriously huge away following that was irrationally totally winding me up so I'm glad we put them to the sword. Screw you Bournemouth taking photos like tourists, singing your stupid 'Premier League you're having a laugh' song', swanning around outside like you owned the place. Sorry we ruined your day out by being better than you.
I got to my seat quite early, about 2:25 because my son wanted to watch the players warm up and there were 3 Bournemouth fans sat behind us in the Trinity. Then I looked up and virtually their whole following was already in the ground. Now I'm not usually that bothered if a few away fans are in our end but their constant giggling and chuckling every time their fans sang a song or booed our players names being announced really started to piss me off. Also one of them had to keep asking what they were singing because he'd probably never seen a crowd before. There were plenty of seats empty in the corner of their section they could have sat in and wet themselves to their hilarious supporters. Rant over.
Anyway thought Gil, Okore and Clark were very good. Second half Cleverley, Weimann and Bacuna played a lot better but Benteke needs coaching to start attacking the six yard box. Even my 11 year old kept asking me why he wasn't putting any effort in.
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I found them irritating as well. The small time twats will be nowhere to be seen at their next away game in Wigan and didn't manage to take a collective 1000 to their last two away games. They were very quit as soon as we scored. Time to put the face paint, curly wigs and foam hands away for he day trippers.
Fucking small clubs ah?
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Well deserved win. From the moment I parked the car there was something about their suddenly mysteriously huge away following that was irrationally totally winding me up so I'm glad we put them to the sword. Screw you Bournemouth taking photos like tourists, singing your stupid 'Premier League you're having a laugh' song', swanning around outside like you owned the place. Sorry we ruined your day out by being better than you.
I got to my seat quite early, about 2:25 because my son wanted to watch the players warm up and there were 3 Bournemouth fans sat behind us in the Trinity. Then I looked up and virtually their whole following was already in the ground. Now I'm not usually that bothered if a few away fans are in our end but their constant giggling and chuckling every time their fans sang a song or booed our players names being announced really started to piss me off. Also one of them had to keep asking what they were singing because he'd probably never seen a crowd before. There were plenty of seats empty in the corner of their section they could have sat in and wet themselves to their hilarious supporters. Rant over.
Anyway thought Gil, Okore and Clark were very good. Second half Cleverley, Weimann and Bacuna played a lot better but Benteke needs coaching to start attacking the six yard box. Even my 11 year old kept asking me why he wasn't putting any effort in.
A couple of crosses in the first half went right across their six yard box along the ground and he was stood at the edge of the box.
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Good win, great news on Delph.
However, I realised that I'm at a stag weekend on semi final weekend and the subsequent wedding is FA Cup final day. Spare a thought for me when "it's our year" becomes a reality
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I don't see any issue with Bournemouth fans ? It's a big day out for them they came in their numbers and I didn't see any trouble. Fair play to them.
Interesting Clark was made captain today. Good to see him step up to the plate . He let nobody down today .
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Interesting Clark was made captain today. Good to see him step up to the plate . He let nobody down today .
He hasn't all season, to be fair.
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I think some of the criticism of Benteke is harsh. We are playing a different style and he needs a bit of time to adjust. For all that is being said he played a part in the first goal and also played a crucial pass to Westwood at the end.
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Really happy about the win and both goals. Also the "Delph" news. But worried about Benteke. He lacked any enthusiasm and willingness to get on the end of balls made to him. Hope this is just a blip ....... Special mention for Clark and Okore. Who were excellent. Bacuna is not a first team player and with Delph back in the side, we will be a lot stronger and more attacking ......
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Interesting Clark was made captain today. Good to see him step up to the plate . He let nobody down today .
He hasn't all season, to be fair.
True.
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I don't see any issue with Bournemouth fans ? It's a big day out for them they came in their numbers and I didn't see any trouble. Fair play to them.
Interesting Clark was made captain today. Good to see him step up to the plate . He let nobody down today .
There was a small incident by the Holte pub at about 240.Some balaclava wearing Bournemouth scrote came and gave a sly piledriver to a villa fan in a group singing on their way to the ground.Slinked off sharpish then.
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Good win, great news on Delph.
However, I realised that I'm at a stag weekend on semi final weekend and the subsequent wedding is FA Cup final day. Spare a thought for me when "it's our year" becomes a reality
Assuming it's not your own wedding (and even then it's touch and go) then remember where your priorities lie!
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Very average first half, but we increased the tempo for the 2nd half & in the end we're comfortable. Quality goal by Gil, was right behind it in the Upper Holte, shifted the ball & shot in the blink of an eye.
Still a lot of work to do, but it's a start.
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Very average first half, but we increased the tempo for the 2nd half & in the end we're comfortable.
How many times have Manchester United/Liverpool/Arsenal done just that against us?
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Hutton went on a few good pillaging runs today. Didn't realise how fast he was for a big bloke .
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Start saving for the eighth one, Brigada.
Me, my husband, & Mike Jeffries & his mum are all in this photo!
As for bournemouth fans, the first time I heard them, ironically, was when they sung 'Is this a library?'. They are having a a good season, they brought a big following, I don't wish them any ill, but as a group of lower league fans coming here for a cup game, they don't rate amongst the noisiest or most consistently 'up for it' I have seen by a very long way.
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I imagine them leaving out a number of their best players would have dimmed some of their fans' enthusiasm.
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A couple of their fans had been getting a bit brave down in the corner towards the end but towards the end cleared off and tried to blend in with the rest of them.
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Echo the comments re Clark and Okore. Thought they were our two best players today. They had little protection in the first half as Bournemouth outnumbered us in midfield and O'Kane in particular attacked well. Disappointing that it took us until half time to fix this tactically. Our full backs were at sea defensively today too, Hutton is getting caught too far up the pitch of late and Okore is forced to cover behind him constantly. It was the case for their goal today with Okore being pulled out of position. Richardson gave us a bit more than Cissokho with the ball but positionally was all over the place. Bournemouth really should have scored ten minutes before they did when Rico switched off totally. Clark did well to babysit him for the game. Id be surprised if Cissokho didnt come back in next week but its certainly a substitution we should be considering when we need a goal.
Cleverley was a lot better in the second half. We seem more solid with three in midfield so probably should stay that way when Delph comes back in. Bacuna tried hard but a lot didnt come off for him. Would give him more chances though as he does give us more energy in there than Westwood or Cleverley. Sanchez seemed stuck to the ground today for some reason. Gil, goal aside, struggled to get into the game I thought but what a goal. Im far from his biggest fan but Weimann was really good today with an excellent finish. What was refreshing in the second half was that we sometimes had 3 or 4 players in their box at times and not just Benteke by himself. Just aswell as Benteke's movement really was non existent, he didnt anticipate a lot of decent balls that came into the box by the likes of Bacuna and Cleverley. Callum Wilson in comparison reminded me of Benteke in his first season in his impressive cameo. Confidence I guess.
My ratings: Given 7, Hutton 5, Okore 8, Clark 9, Richardson 5, Bacuna 6, Sanchez 5, Cleverley 7, Gil 7, Weimann 8, Benteke 4. Westwood was a good sub despite his miss.
Decent team selection from Lambert, tactical change at half time gave us the upperhand in midfield but was that obvious it should have been made earlier. Delph signing a new contract and Gil scoring on his full debut made it probably one of Lambert's best days at Villa Park.
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Again from F365:
Aston Villa scored more than one second-half goal for the first time in exactly 50 matches.
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Very slowly this team is coming together. The defence is fine Clark and Okore have had a number of very good performances together. Hutton,
who in my opinion should be captain, has been on his game all season and Cissokho is a very competent defender. The midfield is gradually solving its problems Sanchez has made a big difference,Delph is an England international, Gil looks as if he could be a big success and yesterday Cleverley showed signs of what he could be capable of. Up front Weimann finally looked the part whilst Benteke didn't. He has no competition for the centre forward role but Lambert needs to have words with him and quickly.
But we still need a creator/winger to add to the options.
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Very slowly this team is coming together. The defence is fine Clark and Okore have had a number of very good performances together. Hutton,
who in my opinion should be captain, has been on his game all season and Cissokho is a very competent defender. The midfield is gradually solving its problems Sanchez has made a big difference,Delph is an England international, Gil looks as if he could be a big success and yesterday Cleverley showed signs of what he could be capable of. Up front Weimann finally looked the part whilst Benteke didn't. He has no competition for the centre forward role but Lambert needs to have words with him and quickly.
But we still need a creator/winger to add to the options.
I need to print this off and read it over and over when we are three down to Arsenal at half time next weekend to stop myself getting annoyed..!!!
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I know Bacuna was hit-and-miss yesterday, but I think he's a potentially very good player. He's always looking forward and trying to create stuff. His ball to Hutton for the second goal was superb. I think given a run of games in the side he could be a big player for us.
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The other thing I took from yesterday is that I still think left-back is a problem area for us. I know Richardson didn't have a great game, but it was nice to see somebody playing there who looked to take possession of the football and manoeuvre it forward. Whenever Cissokho gets the ball he seems to just want to off-load it as soon as he can. In an ideal world we'd have kept hold of Bertrand. Bennett supposedly played well for Brighton yesterday, could he still have a future with us...?
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I know Bacuna was hit-and-miss yesterday, but I think he's a potentially very good player. He's always looking forward and trying to create stuff. His ball to Hutton for the second goal was superb. I think given a run of games in the side he could be a big player for us.
He was getting some ridiculous stick on the match thread but I agree.
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I like Bacuna as well. He seemed to give us a bit of balance in the second half yesterday.
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Just seen this on twitter for the first time (most have probably already seen it) but my god, it's made me up for the cup. I know we won't make it in the end - it's the Villa - but I really wish we would.
That was fantastic and had me grinning from start to finish - thanks for posting
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Paul Lambert felt his side thoroughly deserved to get through to the fifth round of the FA Cup - as he also spoke glowingly about the glorious goals of Carles Gil and Andreas Weimann in the 2-1 win.
Lambert was delighted with the display - especially in the second half - of his players as they saw off the Championship summit side in B6.
He was thrilled with the performance and purred at the quality of both efforts from Gil and Weimann.
He said: "I am delighted to go through. I thought we deserved it. I thought we were fantastic.
"They were two unbelievable goals - the first one was world-class. Carles is a real talent.
"And Andi's goal, with the timing and movement, was excellent.
"In the second half we were a lot better. I thought we dominated the game. We looked lively.
"Bournemouth are a good side but we were very good in the second half.
"I thought the middle of the pitch was too congested in the first half. We changed it at half-time and played a different system.
"I thought it worked great for us. Bournemouth came and put five in the middle. They normally don't do that. There was not much space so that's why I changed it at half-time.
"I put Carles wider and it stretched the game. We looked really good in the second half.
"The lads have had a hard time and been criticised a lot but I thought they deserved a lot of credit for the way they played today. I thought they were excellent.
"They were playing against a team who have been winning a lot of games."
Lambert admits he'd love more progress in the world's most cherished domestic cup competition.
He continued: "You saw the results in the FA Cup yesterday. Many, many teams went out from the Premier League. We are through and we have a chance of it.
"We have a chance like everyone else, the other teams that are going to be in it.
"You get a good draw and get a bit of luck on that given day and hopefully you get through another tie.
"Before you know it you're not far from it. But now, I am delighted to get through. I thought we deserved to win the game."
In other positive news, Fabian Delph signed a new four-and-a-half year deal with the claret and blues - although he missed out against the Cherries through injury, along with Gabby Agbonlahor.
He added: "Fabian pulled up yesterday. He had a little bit of an achilles problem.
"Gabby was the same with his hamstring.
"Hopefully those two will be back next week."
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That's the thing... we have a got a few half decent players... just not being set up very well or being told to play in a positive manner.
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Clark, Okore, Hutton and Andi I thought all put in a good shift, then of course there's Gill, lets hope he continues like he has started.
Reference a Captain, take the arm band of I want away Cardboard and give it straight to Delph, it may also help him cut out some of his reckless tackles.
Well done Villa, tiny steps, but tiny steps forward not backward.
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I would like another striker at the club to offer competition and options to Benteke
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(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/400/mcs/media/images/80508000/jpg/_80508300_villafans_getty.jpg)
Start saving for the eighth one, Brigada.
Me, my husband, & Mike Jeffries & his mum are all in this photo!
As for bournemouth fans, the first time I heard them, ironically, was when they sung 'Is this a library?'. They are having a a good season, they brought a big following, I don't wish them any ill, but as a group of lower league fans coming here for a cup game, they don't rate amongst the noisiest or most consistently 'up for it' I have seen by a very long way.
Thought The Brigada guys were great again.
Problem for the Bournemouth fans was probably that most of them hadn't been to a Bournemouth away game before. And, because they're top of the Championship and used to winning (The meedja had told them they were gonna win!) they didn't quite know how to respond to not doing so.
Whereas WE know exactly how to deal with not winning!
;-)
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(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/400/mcs/media/images/80508000/jpg/_80508300_villafans_getty.jpg)
Start saving for the eighth one, Brigada.
Me, my husband, & Mike Jeffries & his mum are all in this photo!
As for bournemouth fans, the first time I heard them, ironically, was when they sung 'Is this a library?'. They are having a a good season, they brought a big following, I don't wish them any ill, but as a group of lower league fans coming here for a cup game, they don't rate amongst the noisiest or most consistently 'up for it' I have seen by a very long way.
Thought The Brigada guys were great again.
Problem for the Bournemouth fans was probably that most of them hadn't been to a Bournemouth away game before. And, because they're top of the Championship and used to winning (The meedja had told them they were gonna win!) they didn't quite know how to respond to not doing so.
Whereas WE know exactly how to deal with not winning!
;-)
I popped onto one of their forums and it was the usual, Villa Park is great and their fans were amazing with ours appalling....
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I just really hope Gabby does not simply walk straight back in but fear he will
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"And Andi's goal, with the timing and movement, was excellent
Yes Paul, you see it now. Why isn't it evident in all games you should be asking yourself. Movement up front will result in more chances and goals.
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I just really hope Gabby does not simply walk straight back in but fear he will
If he uses his main attribute (pace) to put pressure on the opposition defence I have no problem with him coming back in.
Unfortunately, I'm struggling to remember that last time he did this...'The Mighty Reds YNWA' away this season I think.
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I popped onto one of their forums and it was the usual, Villa Park is great and their fans were amazing with ours appalling....
When fans of these sort of clubs come out with that sort of rubbish I always think 'bully for them, it was a football match not a singing contest.' When Ron/Fabian is lifting that Cup in May the fact the Bournemouth fans had a bit of a sing won't take the shine off it for me.
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Thought Weimann was much better through the middle. His work rate and energy was much improved from when he's played wide.
Benteke needs to be dropped. He's not interested.
Sanchez, Gil and Delph should be the 3, it has balance.
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I thought their support was quite shit to be honest. Rarely heard them. Brighton 5(?) years ago pissed all over them for noise.
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I like Bacuna as well. He seemed to give us a bit of balance in the second half yesterday.
I am a big critic of Bacuna,and thought he was very poor first half.
However,he rammed my criticism right back down my throat in the second half.
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Agreed PWS. You didn't hear them after we scored and even then they hadn't been anything special.
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I thought their support was quite shit to be honest. Rarely heard them. Brighton 5(?) years ago pissed all over them for noise.
Yes, they were very quiet. Imagine most of them never go to watch Bournemouth and just saw it as a day out.
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Thought Weimann was much better through the middle. His work rate and energy was much improved from when he's played wide.
Benteke needs to be dropped. He's not interested.
Sanchez, Gil and Delph should be the 3, it has balance.
Benteke's just going through a drop in form, he'll be back. I wonder if the death of Junior Malanda is affecting him, if so, he may need a little time to get his head together.
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Hello and welcome along to the start of another week of Sportsday. What a weekend of shocks it was in the FA Cup, Bradford winning at Chelsea, Boro stunning Manchester City at the Etihad...and Villa scoring two goals to beat Bournemouth.
From da beeb
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We asked you to vote on your favourite FA Cup goal from the weekend and the winner is Carles Gill's sumptuous striker for Aston Villa against Bournemouth on Sunday. The Spaniard attracted 30% of the vote, followed by Arsenal's Tomas Rosicky with 28% and Jon Stead of Bradford with 24%.
Also from da beeb
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I think the game yesterday also continued to show that Okore and Clark should be our cente half pairing.
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I think the game yesterday also continued to show that Okore and Clark should be our cente half pairing.
On current form (and I know Ron's been injured - shock,horror!) there's no way at all that Vlaar should get back into the team.
Baker and Senderos should provide good enough cover/alternatives.
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I like this line.
a ground that isn't a lego kit on an industrial estate next to a Frankie and Bennys.
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I think the game yesterday also continued to show that Okore and Clark should be our cente half pairing.
Never thought I'd say this, but Clark has been excellent this season.
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He has, he's started to look like the player I always hoped he'd become. I really think Okore's pace next to him is massively important.
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A winger and perhaps another striker and this team would be going places. Well they certainly wouldn't be fighting against relegation anyway.
Get that wallet out, Randy!
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I like this line.
a ground that isn't a lego kit on an industrial estate next to a Frankie and Bennys.
A couple of nice comments here as well.
http://www.rednblack.net/courtoffside/showthread.php?t=196866
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Get that North Stand rebuilt with the Villa trademark red brick, stained glass and mosaics and it will be perfection.
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Some nice comments on the sacred ground from the Bournemouth fans.
As for signings, get another decent striker and a classy winger in and we will be flying .
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He has, he's started to look like the player I always hoped he'd become. I really think Okore's pace next to him is massively important.
Agree, although Clark is no slouch either.
Apparently they're best buddies off the pitch, and it shows on the pitch, too.
Explains Clarks reaction to the Leicester thug who took out Okore!
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He has, he's started to look like the player I always hoped he'd become. I really think Okore's pace next to him is massively important.
It's been a really good balance recently, especially as one is right footed and the other left. I've been a critic of his over the past few seasons, but it looks like it has clicked for Clark and he seems to have grown both in stature and confidence over the past few months. I think having the defensively solid Cissokho next to him rather than a Bennett or Luna horror show has helped.
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The match was refereed very well. I think the ref was Mike Dean and he had an excellent game?
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The match was refereed very well. I think the ref was Mike Dean and he had an excellent game?
There was one of our yellows that at the time I thought was a bit soft, Okore maybe?, but other than that he had an okay game. Made easier as there weren't really any tough decisions to make or any bad tackles.
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There's a reason Mike Dean had a good game as you say, and that is that the two teams wanted to actually play football. All he had to do was the basics.
During my career as a referee I've lost count of the matches where both teams went at it hammer and tongs in a fair minded manner, all they wanted to do was play football. After the match they have said ' you had a great game ref'. To which I would always reply, 'not me lads, you did. All I had to do was blow the whistle to start and end the game'. And that in essence is it.
I would suggest that the referee has had a good game when he's issued his cards in a correct manner without being frivolous with them, dealing with situations properly. I've always believed that teams having a good game and a referee having a good game are two different things.
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This was the first game I'd been to for quite a while because I haven't been able to afford to go. What a game to pick. We were in the Holte upper, for me the best stand on the planet, great songs, brilliant atmosphere, two class goals and Delph signing a new contract. I've missed it all so much.
Took my daughter and her boyfriend and it was a fabulous day out apart from the M6 exit at Junction 6 being closed. Should have got off at junction 7 I know.
Clark and Okore were fantastic but what the hell has happened to Benteke? He just looked like he couldn't be arsed. I'm hoping that he'll get more service now we have Gil.
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Excellent stuff. A win and two (yes two) great goals.
Delph signing a new contract was a big and pleasant surprise. Villa can get things right occasionally.
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It was nice to shut the f.....g media up as they'd been banging on all week about how we were going to get caned by free scoring Bournemouth .
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It was nice to shut the f.....g media up as they'd been banging on all week about how we were going to get caned by free scoring Bournemouth .
I think our supporters were more certain we'd lose than the media were.
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It was nice to shut the f.....g media up as they'd been banging on all week about how we were going to get caned by free scoring Bournemouth .
I think our supporters were more certain we'd lose than the media were.
Quite. I was one of them! Bournemouth are a good side, and we were perhaps fortunate that they played a weakened side.
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Don't forget we made six changes from the previous game too.
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It was nice to shut the f.....g media up as they'd been banging on all week about how we were going to get caned by free scoring Bournemouth .
I think our supporters were more certain we'd lose than the media were.
Quite. I was one of them! Bournemouth are a good side, and we were perhaps fortunate that they played a weakened side.
Their manager said that he had no qualms about his team selection as he feels they're as good as his league team, so didn't class it as a weakened team.
On MotD they backed this up by saying that, unlike other promoted teams, they have a big squad and wouldn't need to add numbers if/when they get promoted.
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It was nice to shut the f.....g media up as they'd been banging on all week about how we were going to get caned by free scoring Bournemouth .
I think our supporters were more certain we'd lose than the media were.
Quite. I was one of them! Bournemouth are a good side, and we were perhaps fortunate that they played a weakened side.
Their manager said that he had no qualms about his team selection as he feels they're as good as his league team, so didn't class it as a weakened team.
On MotD they backed this up by saying that, unlike other promoted teams, they have a big squad and wouldn't need to add numbers if/when they get promoted.
Reading their forums, the Bournemouth fans were completed pissed off, having traveled up in their thousands only to see their Reserve team put out. What was it, eight or nine changes? Their manager can say what he wants but he's put a lot of pressure on himself to get a result this Friday to justify the sacrifice.
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Didn't he make some of the changes in light of losing to DirtyLeeds in the previous match?
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I think it was their Moscow moment, Lee.
Judge for yourself.. http://www.bournemouth.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=67664&start=1
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Didn't he make some of the changes in light of losing to DirtyLeeds in the previous match?
He did yes . Plus that "weakened" side (or a good few of them) had despatched Rotherham away 5-1 in The 3rd Rd.
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Didn't he make some of the changes in light of losing to DirtyLeeds in the previous match?
He did yes . Plus that "weakened" side (or a good few of them) had despatched Rotherham away 5-1 in The 3rd Rd.
And dumped the baggies out of the league cup
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It was nice to shut the f.....g media up as they'd been banging on all week about how we were going to get caned by free scoring Bournemouth .
I think our supporters were more certain we'd lose than the media were.
Quite. I was one of them! Bournemouth are a good side, and we were perhaps fortunate that they played a weakened side.
Their manager said that he had no qualms about his team selection as he feels they're as good as his league team, so didn't class it as a weakened team.
On MotD they backed this up by saying that, unlike other promoted teams, they have a big squad and wouldn't need to add numbers if/when they get promoted.
I'm not sure about that. I can see why they are doing well in the Championship, but feel they would need significant upgrades in certain areas if they were to come up.
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It was nice to shut the f.....g media up as they'd been banging on all week about how we were going to get caned by free scoring Bournemouth .
I think our supporters were more certain we'd lose than the media were.
Quite. I was one of them! Bournemouth are a good side, and we were perhaps fortunate that they played a weakened side.
Their manager said that he had no qualms about his team selection as he feels they're as good as his league team, so didn't class it as a weakened team.
On MotD they backed this up by saying that, unlike other promoted teams, they have a big squad and wouldn't need to add numbers if/when they get promoted.
I'm not sure about that. I can see why they are doing well in the Championship, but feel they would need significant upgrades in certain areas if they were to come up.
You're probably right, they would probably need tweeking up in areas, but, I think MotD were probably more on about just bulking up wholesale.
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Leicester romped to the title last season and they're quite easily the worst side in the league. You need Premier League quality players to stay in this division. Leciester have one, maybe another if this Croat is up to much and that's not enough, which is why they will be relegated.
Have Bournemouth got enough at the moment? probably not.
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Leicester romped to the title last season and they're quite easily the worst side in the league. You need Premier League quality players to stay in this division. Leciester have one, maybe another if this Croat is up to much and that's not enough, which is why they will be relegated.
Have Bournemouth got enough at the moment? probably not.
That's not the point though, the point is quite often a team comes up with 14-15 players who are top of the championship level and then filler, bournemouth have 20+ players in that category so 3-4 good signings and they'll have a squad capable of making a good go of staying up, most sides need that and then another 3-4 squad filler players. From what I've seen of Bournemouth I'm with MotD on this, they're a stronger squad than you normally see coming up. Let's not forget, they were well in the game until Gil scored his wonder goal, even with 8-9 players left out.
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I understood the point, I just don't see how having 20 players who aren't Premiership quality instead of 15 makes any difference.
We bossed the second half, even before we'd scored, having been awful in the first. They created a single clear cut chance in 90 minutes before Clark switched off after the game had been long won in the 93rd. Fine margins and all that, but Premier League quality they aint.
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I would fully expect that if Bournemouth did get promoted that they would be the hot favorutites to come straight back down. It's one thing raising your game for the odd match. Quite another to be considers PL quality over an entire season.