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Title: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: aj2k77 on January 14, 2015, 09:15:29 PM
Seeing as we can't score for real, let's remember times when we could  :D. Bit of trivia, without cheating can anyone name the last 10 different players to score more than 20 goals in a season for us (league and cup) . You only get one guess and the winner is a better fan than the rest of us.
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: peter w on January 14, 2015, 09:20:59 PM
Yorke
Angel
Withe
Gray
Benteke
Little
lochhead
McParland
Graydon
McInally
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 14, 2015, 09:22:31 PM
Jeez!  Angel, Yorke, Saunders, Platt, Withe, Shaw, Gray, Little, Lochead, Hockey?
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 14, 2015, 09:22:40 PM
Platt
Benteke
Shaw
McInally
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 14, 2015, 09:23:46 PM
Yorke
Angel
Withe
Gray
Dublin
Little
lochhead
McParland
Graydon
Walker

If we're including cup games, then Benteke is the most recent.
23 in total in his first season. 19 in the league and 4 in cups
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: paulcomben on January 14, 2015, 09:24:42 PM
That has made me realise what the fan protest should be. Delivering the killer point with humour. A relentless chant of 'You only wanna be Tonevs'.
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: peter w on January 14, 2015, 09:25:03 PM
Bloody hell forgot about him. And mcInally.

take out Dublin and walker.
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: silhillvilla on January 14, 2015, 09:26:05 PM
Benteke
Gray
JPA
Mcinally
Yorke
Withe
McParland
Hateley
Vassell
Platt
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 14, 2015, 09:30:53 PM
I wasn't sure about Benteke's cup goals, but good on him!
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: aj2k77 on January 14, 2015, 09:32:50 PM
Silhill, Duncan and Peter W all with 7 right.
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 14, 2015, 09:39:20 PM
Benteke
Angel
Dublin
Yorke
Saunders
Platt
McInally
Withe
Shaw
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: aj2k77 on January 14, 2015, 09:44:52 PM
7 for peterwithesshin too.
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 14, 2015, 09:46:35 PM
Especially as I only guessed 9! DOH! Can I add Gray to make it 8 right?
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: aj2k77 on January 14, 2015, 09:48:26 PM
Peterwithesshin is currently a better Villa fan than us all, he's got 8 of the 10.
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 14, 2015, 09:50:32 PM
Peterwithesshin is currently a better Villa fan than us all, he's got 8 of the 10.

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Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 14, 2015, 09:51:35 PM
Jeez!  Angel, Yorke, Saunders, Platt, Withe, Shaw, Gray, Little, Lochead, Hockey?
Benteke, Angel, Yorke, McInally, Dublin, Platt, Withe, Shaw, Gray, Lochead,?
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: Villa in Denmark on January 14, 2015, 09:53:39 PM
Benteke
Angel
Yorke
Saunders
Platt
McInally
Withe
Gray
Lochhead
???? - someone before my time.
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Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: aj2k77 on January 14, 2015, 10:06:29 PM
Benteke
Angel
Yorke
Saunders
Platt
McInally
Withe
Gray
Lochhead
???? - someone before my time.
[/quote]

7
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: silhillvilla on January 14, 2015, 10:09:59 PM
I imagine there is a few pre WW1 ?
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 14, 2015, 10:36:05 PM
Is my second go above any better?
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 14, 2015, 10:37:48 PM
I imagine there is a few pre WW1 ?

It's the last 10 players to manage it.
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: silhillvilla on January 14, 2015, 10:46:14 PM
I imagine there is a few pre WW1 ?

It's the last 10 players to manage it.
I imagine there is a few pre WW1 ? ;)
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 14, 2015, 10:47:33 PM
I imagine there is a few pre WW1 ?

It's the last 10 players to manage it.
I imagine there is a few pre WW1 ? ;)

I got 8 and they were all mid 70s on. So I doubt it. Not even we are that shite at scoring!
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: silhillvilla on January 14, 2015, 10:47:53 PM
Deehan ?
Little?
Waring ?
Penrice ?
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: silhillvilla on January 14, 2015, 10:48:46 PM
Dublin
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 14, 2015, 10:48:48 PM
Derek Mountfield. If we are including own goals he must have managed 20 in a season.
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: silhillvilla on January 14, 2015, 10:52:04 PM
Benteke
Angel
Dublin
Yorke
Saunders
Shaw
McInally
Withe
Deehan
Little
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: aj2k77 on January 14, 2015, 11:06:08 PM
Is my second go above any better?

Jeez!  Angel, Yorke, Saunders, Platt, Withe, Shaw, Gray, Little, Lochead, Hockey?
Benteke, Angel, Yorke, McInally, Dublin, Platt, Withe, Shaw, Gray, Lochead,?


8 Duncan.
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 14, 2015, 11:08:39 PM
Benteke
Angel
Yorke
Platt
McInally
Withe
Shaw
Gray
Little
Deehan
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: aj2k77 on January 14, 2015, 11:12:22 PM
Benteke
Angel
Dublin
Yorke
Saunders
Shaw
McInally
Withe
Deehan
Little

7
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: aj2k77 on January 14, 2015, 11:13:08 PM
Benteke
Angel
Yorke
Platt
McInally
Withe
Shaw
Gray
Little
Deehan

9!
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 14, 2015, 11:14:58 PM
Benteke
Angel
Yorke
Platt
Withe
Shaw
Gray
Little
Lochhead
Graydon
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: aj2k77 on January 14, 2015, 11:17:18 PM
Benteke
Angel
Yorke
Platt
Withe
Shaw
Gray
Little
Lochhead
Graydon


8 Dave.
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 14, 2015, 11:22:42 PM
Benteke
Angel
Yorke
Platt
McInally
Stainrod! He scored a shitload in the LC!
Withe
Shaw
Gray
Little
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: silhillvilla on January 14, 2015, 11:29:27 PM
Benteke
Angel
Yorke
Platt
McInally
Withe
Shaw
Gray
Little
Dublin
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 14, 2015, 11:30:43 PM
Benteke
Angel
Yorke
Platt
Stainrod! He scored a shitload in the LC!
Withe
Shaw
Gray
Little
Graydon
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: Hillbilly on January 15, 2015, 01:28:33 AM
Are we overlooking the (in retrospect) unfairly maligned Savo?
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: SirSteveUK on January 15, 2015, 03:53:01 AM
Agree - unjustly maligned - but he peaked at 13 in 95/96

I can remember a season in my time as a Villan when we had three players score over 20 goals - and that's just in the League

Not wishing to hijack the thread, but anyone like to guess which season that was ?  probably the last one  that happened, too

Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: Ron Manager on January 15, 2015, 08:22:40 AM
Yorke
Angel
Withe
Gray
Benteke
Little
McParland
Dixon
Hateley
Lochhead
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: Ron Manager on January 15, 2015, 08:30:33 AM
Agree - unjustly maligned - but he peaked at 13 in 95/96

I can remember a season in my time as a Villan when we had three players score over 20 goals - and that's just in the League

Not wishing to hijack the thread, but anyone like to guess which season that was ?  probably the last one  that happened, too

1959! It would be Hitchens,McParland and the dreadful Bobby Thomson.
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: nigel on January 15, 2015, 08:42:51 AM
Benteke
Angel
Yorke
Platt
McInally
Withe
Shaw
Gray
Little
Hateley
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: aj2k77 on January 15, 2015, 09:21:50 AM
6 for Ron and 9 for Nigel
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: aj2k77 on January 15, 2015, 09:27:46 AM
Benteke
Angel
Yorke
Platt
McInally
Stainrod! He scored a shitload in the LC!
Withe
Shaw
Gray
Little


This is it. The last 10 Villa players to score 20 goals in a season includes super Simon Stainrod, he got 10 in the league 9 in the League Cup (4 against Exeter) and 2 in the Fa Cup.

Nigel got 9/10 first time so he's proven he's a better Villa fan than YOU!

Here's one for the older fans. How many players can you name that have scored 20 or more goals in a season at least 3 times for the Villa. The list is not big.
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: Ron Manager on January 15, 2015, 09:41:56 AM
Billy Walker
Pongo Waring
Harry Hampton
Dai Astley
Peter McParland
Johnny Dixon
Tony Hateley

and possibly Joe Bache
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: aj2k77 on January 15, 2015, 10:03:38 AM
Billy Walker
Pongo Waring
Harry Hampton
Dai Astley
Peter McParland
Johnny Dixon
Tony Hateley

and possibly Joe Bache

Apparently we've only had 7 players in the history of our club hit 20 a season 3 or more times and you've named 4 of them Ron.

Walker
Pongo Waring
Hampton
Astley
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: Ron Manager on January 15, 2015, 10:26:43 AM
In that case Trefor (Trevor) Ford,

Eric Houghton

and John Devey or it might be Charlie Arrowsmith
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 15, 2015, 10:29:59 AM
Peter Withe
Eric Houghton
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: Pete on January 15, 2015, 10:31:45 AM
Billy Walker
Pongo Waring
Harry Hampton
Dai Astley
Peter McParland
Johnny Dixon
Tony Hateley

and possibly Joe Bache

Apparently we've only had 7 players in the history of our club hit 20 a season 3 or more times and you've named 4 of them Ron.

Walker
Pongo Waring
Hampton
Astley

And John Devey. I'm stumped for the others. (I looked at Harry Hampton's record, and he topped 20 goals eight times!)
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: Risso on January 15, 2015, 10:44:16 AM
From players with 20 goals to looking like we won't manage it with the whole team. Sigh.
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: aj2k77 on January 15, 2015, 10:45:15 AM
Devey, Houghton and Withe, fitting that the man who scored our greatest ever goal should be on such a short list.

During the last 80 years we've only had Withe score 20+ for more than 2 years, why is that?
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 15, 2015, 11:31:26 AM
Devey, Houghton and Withe, fitting that the man who scored our greatest ever goal should be on such a short list.

During the last 80 years we've only had Withe score 20+ for more than 2 years, why is that?

Because there aren't many players who've been here long enough to have three successful season.

Withe's best was 1983-84. That's a surprise isn't it?
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: Duncan Shaw on January 15, 2015, 11:57:52 AM
Devey, Houghton and Withe, fitting that the man who scored the greatest ever goal in the history of football should be on such a short list.

During the last 80 years we've only had Withe score 20+ for more than 2 years, why is that?
Fixed that for you.....
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: nigel on January 15, 2015, 01:30:53 PM
Benteke
Angel
Yorke
Platt
McInally
Stainrod! He scored a shitload in the LC!
Withe
Shaw
Gray
Little


This is it. The last 10 Villa players to score 20 goals in a season includes super Simon Stainrod, he got 10 in the league 9 in the League Cup (4 against Exeter) and 2 in the Fa Cup.

Nigel got 9/10 first time so he's proven he's a better Villa fan than YOU!

Here's one for the older fans. How many players can you name that have scored 20 or more goals in a season at least 3 times for the Villa. The list is not big.

I have to be honest and say that I noticed PWS's 9, I was certain that Deehan didn't manage 20, so that really gave me a bit of a template to work with.
Never gave Stainrod a thought.
I reckon that Hateley would be the 11th on that list.

Still, it's in black and white that I'm the best fan, and no one can take that away from me  :P
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: aj2k77 on January 15, 2015, 04:23:09 PM
11th I think is Ray Graydon, then Andy Lochhead in the air.
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 15, 2015, 07:30:13 PM
I genuinely don't know the answer to this but which Villa has the best goals to games ratio? I would guess at Harold Halse but I'm not sure.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Halse 
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: Ron Manager on January 16, 2015, 09:57:38 AM
I genuinely don't know the answer to this but which Villa has the best goals to games ratio? I would guess at Harold Halse but I'm not sure.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Halse

Probably was Halse. We got him for £750 stayed for one season.Scored five in a match against Derby. Played for England once (and scored twice!) and won medals galore in the league and cup. Must have been some player!
Title: Re: Villa players who could hit a barn door. Question
Post by: aj2k77 on January 16, 2015, 11:11:31 AM
I guess it would depend on a minimum amount of goals or games played. Pongo Waring can't be far off 162 goals in 225 games, all competitions 0.72 goals per game.

Harry Hampton 247 goals in 375 games at 0.65 goals per game. Halse hit 28 in 36 at 0.77.

If anyone is interested in old stats there's two websites that are pretty interesting

http://www.astonvillaplayerdatabase.com/ (http://www.astonvillaplayerdatabase.com/)

and

http://home.aland.net/bolin.jakobsson/villamatches/ (http://home.aland.net/bolin.jakobsson/villamatches/)
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