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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Phil from the upper holte on January 10, 2015, 09:53:40 PM
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My mate said people were fighting each other today. Also said fighting each other on the train. I was aware of it at Burnley as well.
What's goin on? Sad state when were fighting each other.
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The only thing I can think of is that it was between those who believe you shouldn't get on the team's back and those who were showing their displeasure. I can't imagine that there are enough fans so passionately behind lambert to start fights like that.
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I saw and heard nothing that sounded like fighting at Burnley. Even if it isn't near you. you can hear and tell it's happening.
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Witnessed it close hand at Swansea away couple of years ago, as Brummie villa fans didn't agree that there should be Welsh villains ! Pathetic
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I've seen people getting hostile to other Villa fans about the Lambert debate which is just horrendously sad.
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There was infighting today at Leicester albeit I only saw one incident involving 6-8 fans .
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It was definitely going on at Burnley .
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It's always happened at away games.
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It's always happened at away games.
When the team struggles yes there is a direct correlation .
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Unfortunately, you get some right twats at away matches.
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It does seem to be more of late, 100% fighting at Burnley mu mate witnessed it. Don't think anyone should tell you how to support your team. Regardless of your opinion, think alcohol causes more trouble at away games
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Sniff powder causes it as well.
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Unfortunately, you get some right twats at away matches.
And even more at home
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It does seem to be more of late, 100% fighting at Burnley mu mate witnessed it. Don't think anyone should tell you how to support your team. Regardless of your opinion, think alcohol causes more trouble at away games
Again, there was a lot of pissed up kids there today . There were also lots of people who's had a drink who were fine . If you can't take it don't drink it.
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I hate to be even remotely disparaging about any of our support, but on my occasional away games it never ceases to amaze me how many people are pissed out of their heads. I'm amazed some can even walk!
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Unfortunately, you get some right twats at away matches.
And even more at home
It's harder to avoid the great unwashed at away games though.
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We've always seemed to have an arsey element in our away crowd. Not necessarily violent but borderline aggressive.
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Sniff powder causes it as well.
Yeah saw a couple of kids doin that at wolves a few year's ago. Must have been 16-17 quite sad really
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There was a near fight Holte lower v Sunderland . Luckily the idiot perpetrater was chucked out
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It's happened for years when things don't go our way. There was plenty towards the end and afterwards in our last League Cup final.
Twats will be twats.
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My old boss used to say beers in brain out
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I hate to be even remotely disparaging about any of our support, but on my occasional away games it never ceases to amaze me how many people are pissed out of their heads. I'm amazed some can even walk!
I hate to be even remotely disparaging about any of our support, but on my occasional away games it never ceases to amaze me how many people are pissed out of their heads. I'm amazed some can even walk!
To be fair . Drink appears the only option as we are rubbish
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I had to go for a piss on circa 25 min mark . The amount of people who were down on the concourse just drinking not even watching the game was staggering , and there weren't even any TV's down there to watch on.
Why go the game at all ?
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I hate to be even remotely disparaging about any of our support, but on my occasional away games it never ceases to amaze me how many people are pissed out of their heads. I'm amazed some can even walk!
I hate to be even remotely disparaging about any of our support, but on my occasional away games it never ceases to amaze me how many people are pissed out of their heads. I'm amazed some can even walk!
To be fair . Drink appears the only option as we are rubbish
I don't think I could watch us away without a drink. I'm not joking. If I'm going to the effort of attending I want some enjoyment out of it as I know it won t be forthcoming at that match.
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I hate to be even remotely disparaging about any of our support, but on my occasional away games it never ceases to amaze me how many people are pissed out of their heads. I'm amazed some can even walk!
I hate to be even remotely disparaging about any of our support, but on my occasional away games it never ceases to amaze me how many people are pissed out of their heads. I'm amazed some can even walk!
To be fair . Drink appears the only option as we are rubbish
I don't think I could watch us away without a drink. I'm not joking. If I'm going to the effort of attending I want some enjoyment out of it as I know it won t be forthcoming at that match.
Ditto. I need anaesthetic to watch the shit we dish up.
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I have never seen quite so much in fighting as today. It happened behind us in the first half, about 10-12 blokes throwing punches. Also at the end by the away fans too.
There was plenty of trouble with Leicester today as well. Apparently it went off at about half three in the city centre.
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I hate to be even remotely disparaging about any of our support, but on my occasional away games it never ceases to amaze me how many people are pissed out of their heads. I'm amazed some can even walk!
Have you tried watching it sober?
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I have never seen quite so much in fighting as today. It happened behind us in the first half, about 10-12 blokes throwing punches. Also at the end by the away fans too.
There was plenty of trouble with Leicester today as well. Apparently it went off at about half three in the city centre.
The game was on at that point as well! Always been a wanky place to go
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It's always happened at away games.
It was happening at the League Cup final v Man Utd in 2010. It's madness.
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I blame half and half scarves.
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it normally starts with an 'I'm a bigger fan than yow' type of debate. I remember a fight on a train back from Old Trafford years ago when two blokes compared away game records and when one of them conceded that he hadn't made it to a midweek game at Wimbledon because his son had fell ill, he was scoffed at for being a lightweight. It all kicked off...and I think they were brothers.
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It happened at the McLeish Bolton game. My lad and I were sat in the Upper Trinity and joined in the chants - several Holy Trinitarians took exception ("disgrace", "throw the out" etc) and we had a stand-off with three blokes on the stairway until other fans joined the chanting - the lad was all for lighting into them but I couldn't bring myself to fight with another Villa fan. It put my son off going. We're all getting desperate.
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Let's face it, there are some fans who could start an argument in an empty room.*
*Awaiting the response, no there isn't.
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We have a huge away support, tensions are obviously high and with any big group you get a few morons.
I'd like to think people wouldn't label us all like that.
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We have a huge away support, tensions are obviously high and with any big group you get a few morons.
I'd like to think people wouldn't label us all like that.
Moron. ;)
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I saw scuffles at the top of the away end. Didn't find out what it was about though. Probably our Leaders.
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We have a huge away support, tensions are obviously high and with any big group you get a few morons.
I'd like to think people wouldn't label us all like that.
See I wonder why people have to be described as morons?
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We have a huge away support, tensions are obviously high and with any big group you get a few morons.
I'd like to think people wouldn't label us all like that.
See I wonder why people have to be described as morons?
Probably because they are. Definition of moron is a stupid or foolish person.
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We have a huge away support, tensions are obviously high and with any big group you get a few morons.
I'd like to think people wouldn't label us all like that.
See I wonder why people have to be described as morons?
Really?
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I saw two grown men have a brouhaha over whether Alan Wright was too short in the Holte End in 1996.
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I saw two grown men have a brouhaha over whether Alan Wright was too short in the Holte End in 1996.
What was Alan Wright doing in the Holte End in 1996 anyway?
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I saw two grown men have a brouhaha over whether Alan Wright was too short in the Holte End in 1996.
What was Alan Wright doing in the Holte End in 1996 anyway?
Standing on a crate, presumably.
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We have a huge away support, tensions are obviously high and with any big group you get a few morons.
I'd like to think people wouldn't label us all like that.
See I wonder why people have to be described as morons?
Getting pissed, fighting amongst fellow supporters, frightening young children... I'd call that behaviour moronic. Perhaps its not the nicest term.
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I saw two grown men have a brouhaha over whether Alan Wright was too short in the Holte End in 1996.
What was Alan Wright doing in the Holte End in 1996 anyway?
Standing on a crate, presumably.
No need - it was all-seater by then.
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I saw two grown men have a brouhaha over whether Alan Wright was too short in the Holte End in 1996.
Indeed it was, you get the idea though.
What was Alan Wright doing in the Holte End in 1996 anyway?
Standing on a crate, presumably.
No need - it was all-seater by then.
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So what were they arguing about yesterday? I cant believe anyone was defending lambert
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So what were they arguing about yesterday? I cant believe anyone was defending lambert
To be honest, a lot of the fights I have seen between supporters of the same team have originated from trivial things like people being told to sit down or someone shouting at others "to sing more" etc.
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I can imagine it went:
"I think Lambert is the worst manager we've ever had"
"Worse than O' Leary?"
"Much worse"
"Are you some sort of O' Leary lover"
"No, I..."
"Oi lads. This bloke wants O' Leary back"
"No, I just..."
"I hate O' Leary"
"Well, so..."
*punch*
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I got offered out at Fratton Park a few years ago for venturing an opinion that NRC was having a shit game.
Also, Chauffeurs coaches were always a bit lively on the way home, by way of scuffles breaking out. Not traveled with them for ages, so I don't know what they're like now.
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I was at that desperate performance from a so called Villa team yesterday.
unfortunately one of my mates ended up fighting a fellow villa fan just before half time.
It all started when most of us including myself started chanting Lambert out !! My mate who had I admit had lots to drink took exception to the support. he argued with anyone who would listen that we should support the team and leave the Lambert Out cry till the end of the game. I tried to calm him down but he was frustrated and angry and drunk!! lots of the crowd at this point were frustrated as we were awful, no passion, no fight, no plan, no creativity, no forward passes.
Anyway the argument got more heated and before you know it someone from 3 rows back stormed over and belted him to the floor. I and several others separated them and it was very tense during half time, we moved our mate down a few rows and everything stayed calm.
My mate has followed villa home and away for over 30 years and is no hooligan. He is passionate. But my philosophy is you pay your money you are entitled to an opinion. He was out of order as was the twat who attacked him from 3 rows back.
The irony of the whole thing is talking to people around me in the second half everyone is hurting, frustrated and desperate to get our Villa back.
But performances like yesterday, and plenty of booze don't mix. We are all Villa and we will all be Villa when all these tossers like Learner and lambert have long gone.
But at this moment we see no hope. !!!!
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I was at that desperate performance from a so called Villa team yesterday.
unfortunately one of my mates ended up fighting a fellow villa fan just before half time.
It all started when most of us including myself started chanting Lambert out !! My mate who had I admit had lots to drink took exception to the support. he argued with anyone who would listen that we should support the team and leave the Lambert Out cry till the end of the game. I tried to calm him down but he was frustrated and angry and drunk!! lots of the crowd at this point were frustrated as we were awful, no passion, no fight, no plan, no creativity, no forward passes.
Anyway the argument got more heated and before you know it someone from 3 rows back stormed over and belted him to the floor. I and several others separated them and it was very tense during half time, we moved our mate down a few rows and everything stayed calm.
My mate has followed villa home and away for over 30 years and is no hooligan. He is passionate. But my philosophy is you pay your money you are entitled to an opinion. He was out of order as was the twat who attacked him from 3 rows back.
The irony of the whole thing is talking to people around me in the second half everyone is hurting, frustrated and desperate to get our Villa back.
But performances like yesterday, and plenty of booze don't mix. We are all Villa and we will all be Villa when all these tossers like Learner and lambert have long gone.
But at this moment we see no hope. !!!!
One Depressing read
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No matter how shit we are the actions of those involved are pathetic. Ought to be embarrassed.
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But at this moment we see no hope. !!!!
You need a bit of perspective.
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I had a great day out yesterday. Met up earlyish in the Square Peg, had a pint. Got train to Leicester had a couple of cans. Got asked if I had a match ticket by one of many police officers at Leicester Station before being allowed to leave the platform. Didn't take offence, they've got a job to do. Went to local pub had 4 or 5 pints.
Strolled down to the stadium, got into the game 5 minutes late and genuinely enjoyed the first half as I thought we played some good stuff and went down 5 mins before half time for a beer ( the worst I've ever had at a footy match btw dunno what it was) with the expectation that we'd probably win in the second half!
Hmm anyway.... After the game we strolled into the nearest pub, chatted to the locals, had a couple of pints, wandered back into town (picked up cans en route) and enjoyed the train back home eventually landing at New Street about 9.
The point I'm making is, dispite lots of drinking, at no point did we fall out with anyone or each other. There was plenty of moaning about Villa but of the self mocking 'yes we know we're shite' type and most of the people we came into contact with were the same.
That said for me to throw a punch at anyone,one of my children or wife would have to be threatened so I really can't see me or my mates fighting over our manager with a fellow fan.
I genuinely think, as it happens, we'll be fine.
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it normally starts with an 'I'm a bigger fan than yow' type of debate. I remember a fight on a train back from Old Trafford years ago when two blokes compared away game records and when one of them conceded that he hadn't made it to a midweek game at Wimbledon because his son had fell ill, he was scoffed at for being a lightweight. It all kicked off...and I think they were brothers.
I remember having a debate with a brain-dead individual who used a racial slur to describe Dion Dublin. His argument was that I shouldn't argue as he'd been going since the seventies and I obviously wasn't a proper fan as I hadn't even bothered to attend matches before I was born.
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I understand the anger among everyone about the mess we are in and, but I've never been one who agrees with in-fighting and barracking your own players and manager during a game. I'm not saying you can't do it, but for me its counter-productive and just gives the opposition a lift
I wasn't at Leicester and I am not a regular away traveller, so I know people will think "you don't have a right to comment if your not there" and I understand that.
At the end of the day, we've got what we've got. If you don't like Lambert then fair enough, but let's end the in-game bickering and concentrate on backing the team till the end of the season. Then we can sit and have a proper think about things, but if we carry on like this then we WILL be sucked in and the negativity will rub off on the team.
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Brings back memories when I got thumped by a fellow Villa 'fan' at the Hawthorns. Must have been about 1979-1980 and Pat Heard scored a free kick in the 88th minute. After all the celebrations I turned to look for my mate to see a beast with a Villa scarf tied aroung his head (rambo style) who stared at me and called me a F*****G C**T then hit me in the mouth. The fans seperated on ther terrace then a copper came up and the bloke who hit me then said 'that bloke hit me'! I protested my innocence but was threatened with a trip in a black mariah (Sp) if i didn't shut up!! To this day I have no idea why he hit me?!
If that bloke is one this forum - You tw*t!!!
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I had a good day out Saturday, drove up from Cambridge with the wife, I booked us into the hotel £55 for a double room upgraded for the night to a executive room :)
I went to the game while the wife went shopping, first of all I met my Villa mates in the Sir Robert Peel a really nice pub with some nice beers on and a great atmosphere from the home and away supporters in there.
then came the game :(
we then went back to the same pub where my wife met up with us all, then the Swan and Rushes and then to a couple of others and we had a great night drinking and eating in Leicester and not a hint of trouble or aggression came our way.
I was a bit fuzzy headed in the morning though :)
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The Doc
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All I keep thinking about is Carl Douglas.
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I had a good day out Saturday, drove up from Cambridge with the wife, I booked us into the hotel £55 for a double room upgraded for the night to a executive room :)
I went to the game while the wife went shopping, first of all I met my Villa mates in the Sir Robert Peel a really nice pub with some nice beers on and a great atmosphere from the home and away supporters in there.
then came the game :(
we then went back to the same pub where my wife met up with us all, then the Swan and Rushes and then to a couple of others and we had a great night drinking and eating in Leicester and not a hint of trouble or aggression came our way.
I was a bit fuzzy headed in the morning though :)
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The Doc
I was at the game, and also went to the Robert Peel. I drank at the Globe prior to the Robert Peel.
Another great away day, spoilt 90 minutes on the pitch!!
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Brings back memories when I got thumped by a fellow Villa 'fan' at the Hawthorns. Must have been about 1979-1980 and Pat Heard scored a free kick in the 88th minute. After all the celebrations I turned to look for my mate to see a beast with a Villa scarf tied aroung his head (rambo style) who stared at me and called me a F*****G C**T then hit me in the mouth. The fans seperated on ther terrace then a copper came up and the bloke who hit me then said 'that bloke hit me'! I protested my innocence but was threatened with a trip in a black mariah (Sp) if i didn't shut up!! To this day I have no idea why he hit me?!
If that bloke is one this forum - You tw*t!!!
1982, a few weeks before Rotterdam wasn't it? And no it wasn't me as I was only eleven at the time!
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... to put the final nail in the coffin, the curry was better in Leicester too :(
We were shit. End of.
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I had a good day out Saturday, drove up from Cambridge with the wife, I booked us into the hotel £55 for a double room upgraded for the night to a executive room :)
I went to the game while the wife went shopping, first of all I met my Villa mates in the Sir Robert Peel a really nice pub with some nice beers on and a great atmosphere from the home and away supporters in there.
then came the game :(
we then went back to the same pub where my wife met up with us all, then the Swan and Rushes and then to a couple of others and we had a great night drinking and eating in Leicester and not a hint of trouble or aggression came our way.
I was a bit fuzzy headed in the morning though :)
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The Doc
I was at the game, and also went to the Robert Peel. I drank at the Globe prior to the Robert Peel.
Another great away day, spoilt 90 minutes on the pitch!!
it was decent in there, we were sat to the right under the TV as you walked in.
Glad to "nearly" meet you Holte L2....:)
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The Doc
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Brings back memories when I got thumped by a fellow Villa 'fan' at the Hawthorns. Must have been about 1979-1980 and Pat Heard scored a free kick in the 88th minute. After all the celebrations I turned to look for my mate to see a beast with a Villa scarf tied aroung his head (rambo style) who stared at me and called me a F*****G C**T then hit me in the mouth. The fans seperated on ther terrace then a copper came up and the bloke who hit me then said 'that bloke hit me'! I protested my innocence but was threatened with a trip in a black mariah (Sp) if i didn't shut up!! To this day I have no idea why he hit me?!
If that bloke is one this forum - You tw*t!!!
1982, a few weeks before Rotterdam wasn't it? And no it wasn't me as I was only eleven at the time!
Not sure. I thought it was before we won the league (I was 15 so 1979-80?) but my memory is fading of those heady days!
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All I keep thinking about is Carl Douglas.
What has any of this got to do with table tennis?
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Brings back memories when I got thumped by a fellow Villa 'fan' at the Hawthorns. Must have been about 1979-1980 and Pat Heard scored a free kick in the 88th minute. After all the celebrations I turned to look for my mate to see a beast with a Villa scarf tied aroung his head (rambo style) who stared at me and called me a F*****G C**T then hit me in the mouth. The fans seperated on ther terrace then a copper came up and the bloke who hit me then said 'that bloke hit me'! I protested my innocence but was threatened with a trip in a black mariah (Sp) if i didn't shut up!! To this day I have no idea why he hit me?!
If that bloke is one this forum - You tw*t!!!
1982, a few weeks before Rotterdam wasn't it? And no it wasn't me as I was only eleven at the time!
Not sure. I thought it was before we won the league (I was 15 so 1979-80?) but my memory is fading of those heady days!
Just checked on google - indeed it was 1982 on May 8th!
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All I keep thinking about is Carl Douglas.
What has any of this got to do with table tennis?
Desmond Douglas is a Villa fan
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... to put the final nail in the coffin, the curry was better in Leicester too :(
We were shit. End of.
Should have done some curry house suggestions - go frequently to Leicester for grub
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All I keep thinking about is Carl Douglas.
What has any of this got to do with table tennis?
Desmond Douglas is a Villa fan
Can he play in an attacking midfield role?
Is he allowed to use his bat?
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With little to cheer about, and little hope of improvement, I have noticed a progressively nasty edge to some elements of our away support shown both to our own, and others.
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All I keep thinking about is Carl Douglas.
What has any of this got to do with table tennis?
Desmond Douglas is a Villa fan
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Away support just getting prepared for Milwall, Leeds and the Noses next year, practicing on our own.
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Away support just getting prepared for Milwall, Leeds and the Noses next year, practicing on our own.
You really think next season we are going to get to the Quarter Finals of the FA cup by playing lower league opposition? Mad man.
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Brings back memories when I got thumped by a fellow Villa 'fan' at the Hawthorns. Must have been about 1979-1980 and Pat Heard scored a free kick in the 88th minute. After all the celebrations I turned to look for my mate to see a beast with a Villa scarf tied aroung his head (rambo style) who stared at me and called me a F*****G C**T then hit me in the mouth. The fans seperated on ther terrace then a copper came up and the bloke who hit me then said 'that bloke hit me'! I protested my innocence but was threatened with a trip in a black mariah (Sp) if i didn't shut up!! To this day I have no idea why he hit me?!
If that bloke is one this forum - You tw*t!!!
come here and say that!!!
no it wasn't me :-)
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You used to get the odd 'ruck' on the Premier coaches, late 80s early 90s which were usually broken up with the immortal words "Villa don't fight Villa"....Usually involved some pissed teenagers and an older guy who had taken the piss out of them.
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All I keep thinking about is Carl Douglas.
That kind of fighting would definitely be more distracting than what was going on on the pitch.
Mind you not much wouldn't be.