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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: LTA on January 05, 2015, 12:43:05 PM
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One or 2 whispers about Gary McAllister coming back as number 2 on twitter
Likely to be BS, but need a total change with No 1, not another No 2 to fall out with.
In any case, didn't he fall out with players when he was here before?
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Return of the Mac, is what I would have called this thread.
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He did alright as caretaker manager after Houllier stepped down.
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Return of the Mac, is what I would have called this thread.
I'd have gone with McDoughnuts.
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One or 2 whispers about Gary McAllister coming back as number 2 on twitter
Likely to be BS, but need a total change with No 1, not another No 2 to fall out with.
In any case, didn't he fall out with players when he was here before?
He fell out with some of the players, along with Houllier but the suggestion is it was a group of bad apples who had it all their own way under O Neill and didn't like certain aspects of the new regime, such as the harder training and double sessions. Dunne, Collins and Warnock didn't like Mac and Houllier.
Likewise Gabby considered leaving because of their regime and also because Houllier didn't want Gabby to beef up as much as he was because he'd lose pace and also probably pick up more injuries.
Something like that. Based on hear say, incidents which made the press and from some players own mouths (Gabby came out and said he didn't particularly get on with Houllier).
For me though I'm with Houllier and Mac on this matter. Those overpaid, workshy sacks of shit should have shut up and got on with it and actually earned their money. Fucking footballers (currently in a footballers piss me off mood).
The youngsters liked Houllier as did some of the better pro's who got their head down and got on with it, like Big Brad, Coker and Stan.
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Would not be averse to him coming back at all. Did well as caretaker and was part of the style Houllier was better at implementing than Lambert.
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He did alright as caretaker manager after Houllier stepped down.
Apart from blotting his copybook losing to ten men from a winning position in the Champions League Final at the Hawthorns.
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I liked him as a player, and thought he was OK as an assistant. He actually did well as a caretaker and would have been a far better Would be an decent appointment than TSM1.
Would be happy with this.
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Has he had a job since he left us ?
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No Scots, no Irish!
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Twitter eh?
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He's a winner. We'll drum that out of him in no time.
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He's obviously not a man to be trifled with. I do wonder if it's asking for trouble again. We've already had to get rid of a couple of bullies, then an absolute fucking maniac in Roy Keane. Gary Mac of course is probably a lot more level headed but he's already butted heads with squad members at this club when he was here before. Granted he and the boss were probably in the right, and bar Gabby, all those bad seeds have long since departed.
Is Lambert just setting himself up for another load of dissension? Ultimately I think the manager himself doesn't have a tight enough grip on the squad.
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Wish we could shoehorn Hoddle in to coach the "passing game" then fuck Lambert off and appoint him head coach
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Not inspiring but then not likely with Villa in its' current predicament.
I'd like to see a proper coach - Steve Clarke if he could be persuaded.
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Wish we could shoehorn Hoddle in to coach the "passing game" then fuck Lambert off and appoint him head coach
Well, it's not quite working out that way for QPR. Glenn's not made much of a difference. They're still shite to watch. Still, they score more than we do.
Apparently he's also one of the favourites to take over at Newcastle.
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Not inspiring but then not likely with Villa in its' current predicament.
I'd like to see a proper coach - Steve Clarke if he could be persuaded.
He's Reading manager now
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Mike Phelan would be great but he's stepped up as caretaker at Naarwich (caretaker manager, not caretaker like the bloke from Tony Hart).
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Not inspiring but then not likely with Villa in its' current predicament.
I'd like to see a proper coach - Steve Clarke if he could be persuaded.
He's Reading manager now
Ah so he is.
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Respect for Gary Mac. Don't forget he scored a vital goal in Leicester's win against Middlesboro in the last match of the 87-88 promotion season. That ensured Villa went up and Boro' didn't. I don't mind him coming in as a No. 2.
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Not inspiring but then not likely with Villa in its' current predicament.
I'd like to see a proper coach - Steve Clarke if he could be persuaded.
What's a proper coach?
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Not many players were better set piece takers than him.
He'd be worth hiring if he could pass even some of that on.
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Not inspiring but then not likely with Villa in its' current predicament.
I'd like to see a proper coach - Steve Clarke if he could be persuaded.
What's a proper coach?
I believe Van Hool is a good one.
https://www.google.ie/search?q=van+hool&biw=1366&bih=578&tbm=isch&imgil=JxNw0qjf46kdtM%253A%253BR0-xN33rsAA6kM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.vanhool.be%25252Feng%25252Fhomeen.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=JxNw0qjf46kdtM%253A%252CR0-xN33rsAA6kM%252C_&usg=__8IHblgB2hseSwkdlNu_KUTnkh2M%3D&ved=0CEEQyjc&ei=7-2qVI7TGOiu7AbBnYCQDg#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=ImktP5w1-zhpWM%253A%3BR0-xN33rsAA6kM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.vanhool.be%252Feng%252FResources%252Fhomepagebussen1b.jpeg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.vanhool.be%252Feng%252Fhomeen.html%3B598%3B250
Sorry about the long link.
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Ha, nice one
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Is Van Hool Dutch? ;)
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Sorry Dave, that's a bus, probably Moanrinho's. :-)
This is a coach (http://www.travel-master.co.uk/coach-hire-minibus-images/executive-coach-hire.jpg).
(Probably knows more about setting up a football team than Karsa & Culverhouse.)
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See, I was thinking that that would be what we would be parking next time we play Chavski.
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You mean like this?
Danish advert for on-line betting.
The tag line is "there's so many things that women don't understand"
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Would not be averse to him coming back at all. Did well as caretaker and was part of the style Houllier was better at implementing than Lambert.
I think if we had handelled Houllier's enforced departure better the following years might have been so much easier. For instance, not rushing to get rid of McAllister and therefore when Martinez turned us down, giving McAllister a chance rather than panicking and appointing McLeish. We were playing good football under McAllister and the results were very good.
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Would not be averse to him coming back at all. Did well as caretaker and was part of the style Houllier was better at implementing than Lambert.
I think if we had handelled Houllier's enforced departure better the following years might have been so much easier. For instance, not rushing to get rid of McAllister and therefore when Martinez turned us down, giving McAllister a chance rather than panicking and appointing McLeish. We were playing good football under McAllister and the results were very good.
We should have promoted Glenn Roeder. I said so at the time and I stand by it.
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Would not be averse to him coming back at all. Did well as caretaker and was part of the style Houllier was better at implementing than Lambert.
I think if we had handelled Houllier's enforced departure better the following years might have been so much easier. For instance, not rushing to get rid of McAllister and therefore when Martinez turned us down, giving McAllister a chance rather than panicking and appointing McLeish. We were playing good football under McAllister and the results were very good.
I think this is a bit of rewriting of history here regarding McAllister when he stepped him although I do accept it was a difficult situation with Houllier taken ill and us still being in a relegation battle. Anyway here they are:
Villa 1-1 Stoke
WBA 2-1 Villa
Villa 1-1 Wigan
Arsenal 1-2 Villa
Villa 1-0 Liverpool
So the first 3 are pretty much par for what we've had in the 3 and a half seasons since, frustrating home draws against other relegation struggles and an incredible defeat to West Brom, a game we were leading, West Brom went down to 10 men and we somehow lost. Not helped by one of the worst subs I've ever seen a Villa manager make at 1-1 when he brought on Pires who singlehandly slowed down every single attack we had.
The last two were good but total flukes as it was completely out of kilter with how we'd defended for the previous 36 games for a start. If that was the level we'd reached for even half the games that season we'd have finished top 6 no problem.
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Few samples of post match threads under G Mac...
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=43361.0
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=43273.0
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=43206.0
Nothing ever really changes does it?!
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Haha, they certainly haven't this decade. Whatever happened to Sarunyu, our Thai correspondent?
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Would not be averse to him coming back at all. Did well as caretaker and was part of the style Houllier was better at implementing than Lambert.
I think if we had handelled Houllier's enforced departure better the following years might have been so much easier. For instance, not rushing to get rid of McAllister and therefore when Martinez turned us down, giving McAllister a chance rather than panicking and appointing McLeish. We were playing good football under McAllister and the results were very good.
I think this is a bit of rewriting of history here regarding McAllister when he stepped him although I do accept it was a difficult situation with Houllier taken ill and us still being in a relegation battle. Anyway here they are:
Villa 1-1 Stoke
WBA 2-1 Villa
Villa 1-1 Wigan
Arsenal 1-2 Villa
Villa 1-0 Liverpool
So the first 3 are pretty much par for what we've had in the 3 and a half seasons since, frustrating home draws against other relegation struggles and an incredible defeat to West Brom, a game we were leading, West Brom went down to 10 men and we somehow lost. Not helped by one of the worst subs I've ever seen a Villa manager make at 1-1 when he brought on Pires who singlehandly slowed down every single attack we had.
The last two were good but total flukes as it was completely out of kilter with how we'd defended for the previous 36 games for a start. If that was the level we'd reached for even half the games that season we'd have finished top 6 no problem.
I wouldn't say the Liverpool win was a total fluke, as we deserved that win. What a great afternoon that was - us beating them and Blues being relegated in the dying minutes of the season.
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If I remember correctly, in the last two games we scored goals with a 15 and 16 pass move. It was a joy to see.
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Few samples of post match threads under G Mac...
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=43361.0
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=43273.0
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=43206.0
Nothing ever really changes does it?!
Jesus, we could just cut & paste. Scary.
edit Ok this is brilliant. Made me giggle, I love how just forthright it is.
The Mossman
I fucking hate the team, most of the squad, the management. Never seen a team with less collective balls in villa colours. In retrospect it was clear that players would do fuck all for McAllister, and then he further hamstrings us with a retarded substitution. I hope they slash and burn this summer, players and management, and start again, and not in fucking August. If Randy is not decisive this summer in cutting out the shite I will have finally gone from pro to anti. We are where we are because GH/GM was a mistake, which was not rectified, and far, far shitter teams with better managers are making mugs of us all over the place. What a massive pile of fucking shit of a season.
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Wish we could shoehorn Hoddle in to coach the "passing game" then fuck Lambert off and appoint him head coach
This is the Hoddle who was exasperated at Beckham's lack of free kick taking quality in training at the '98 World Cup. Can you imagine what he would make of the 'talents' of some of our lot? He would be gone quicker than Keane, our mob would drive him suicidal.
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Mike Phelan would be great but he's stepped up as caretaker at Naarwich (caretaker manager, not caretaker like the bloke from Tony Hart).
Mr Bennett, played by Colin Bennett. The man behind Captain Zep, quite possibly the best BBC part kids sci-fi drama/part kids quiz show ever. For those of you with kids think Skatoony but with aliens.
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Would not be averse to him coming back at all. Did well as caretaker and was part of the style Houllier was better at implementing than Lambert.
I think if we had handelled Houllier's enforced departure better the following years might have been so much easier. For instance, not rushing to get rid of McAllister and therefore when Martinez turned us down, giving McAllister a chance rather than panicking and appointing McLeish. We were playing good football under McAllister and the results were very good.
I think this is a bit of rewriting of history here regarding McAllister when he stepped him although I do accept it was a difficult situation with Houllier taken ill and us still being in a relegation battle. Anyway here they are:
Villa 1-1 Stoke
WBA 2-1 Villa
Villa 1-1 Wigan
Arsenal 1-2 Villa
Villa 1-0 Liverpool
So the first 3 are pretty much par for what we've had in the 3 and a half seasons since, frustrating home draws against other relegation struggles and an incredible defeat to West Brom, a game we were leading, West Brom went down to 10 men and we somehow lost. Not helped by one of the worst subs I've ever seen a Villa manager make at 1-1 when he brought on Pires who singlehandly slowed down every single attack we had.
The last two were good but total flukes as it was completely out of kilter with how we'd defended for the previous 36 games for a start. If that was the level we'd reached for even half the games that season we'd have finished top 6 no problem.
I wouldn't say the Liverpool win was a total fluke, as we deserved that win. What a great afternoon that was - us beating them and Blues being relegated in the dying minutes of the season.
Yeah I'll quantify what I mean by flukes as obviously I can't remember the flow of either game except that we went 2 up very early on at Arsenal.
Flukes as those two results were completely out of sync with how we'd played for the previous 36 games. We were a total shambles defensively that season yet to only concede 1 goal in those two games indicates we probably did a little better in those two.
Liverpool and Arsenal had both comfortably beaten us earlier that season aswell.
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When the alternative was having McLeish as manager, many ordinary managers suddenly look like good options.
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McAllister did a good job when called upon. But then it is much easiler when you are only in caretaker charge, and the players respond to a new voice. Don't think he would have been the right choice long term, but it goes without saying that he would have been far better than McLeish.
Would be happy if he was appointed as number two again, but don't see anything to this.
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I rated Mcallister for the relatively strong finish to that season. Would've been happy for houllier to take up some kind of DoF role and Mcallister to manage the side with a few villa influenced coaches like Sid etc thrown in the mix.
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Tend to agree with SoccerHQ, I think McAllister brief tenure as temporary manager is in danger of being made to be a greater success than it actually was. I remember having an argument on here at the time with those who took an exception to my comment that the final table never lies, except on the occasion when a couple of decent results meant we were mathematical safe from relegation with three (?) games to go and actually pushed us up to mid-table "respectability".
I also agree with the idea that a better option would be someone like Steve Clarke. A coach with a proven record.
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From what I know from a friend who had dinner with McAllister a couple of weeks ago, he left with a sour tast in his mouth (although very well compensated). Apparantly.
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Was he chewing on those sour cola bottle gummy things as he accepted the cash?
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How much did we pay-out to the last four managers in terminating their contracts?
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Too much.
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Tend to agree with SoccerHQ, I think McAllister brief tenure as temporary manager is in danger of being made to be a greater success than it actually was. I remember having an argument on here at the time with those who took an exception to my comment that the final table never lies, except on the occasion when a couple of decent results meant we were mathematical safe from relegation with three (?) games to go and actually pushed us up to mid-table "respectability".
I also agree with the idea that a better option would be someone like Steve Clarke. A coach with a proven record.
His record looked better due to the other results that shot us up the table. He did a decent job as caretaker, but not enough to get the job full time in my opinion.
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Tend to agree with SoccerHQ, I think McAllister brief tenure as temporary manager is in danger of being made to be a greater success than it actually was. I remember having an argument on here at the time with those who took an exception to my comment that the final table never lies, except on the occasion when a couple of decent results meant we were mathematical safe from relegation with three (?) games to go and actually pushed us up to mid-table "respectability".
I also agree with the idea that a better option would be someone like Steve Clarke. A coach with a proven record.
His record looked better due to the other results that shot us up the table. He did a decent job as caretaker, but not enough to get the job full time in my opinion.
I do love the idea that this was the only season in history when the team with the ninth best record somehow should have been demoted a few places because they didn't deserve to finish ninth.
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Tend to agree with SoccerHQ, I think McAllister brief tenure as temporary manager is in danger of being made to be a greater success than it actually was. I remember having an argument on here at the time with those who took an exception to my comment that the final table never lies, except on the occasion when a couple of decent results meant we were mathematical safe from relegation with three (?) games to go and actually pushed us up to mid-table "respectability".
I also agree with the idea that a better option would be someone like Steve Clarke. A coach with a proven record.
His record looked better due to the other results that shot us up the table. He did a decent job as caretaker, but not enough to get the job full time in my opinion.
I do love the idea that this was the only season in history when the team with the ninth best record somehow should have been demoted a few places because they didn't deserve to finish ninth.
You finish where you deserve to finish, I agree. But taking everything into account I would not have given him the job based on his time as caretaker along with his previous managerial record.
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Tend to agree with SoccerHQ, I think McAllister brief tenure as temporary manager is in danger of being made to be a greater success than it actually was. I remember having an argument on here at the time with those who took an exception to my comment that the final table never lies, except on the occasion when a couple of decent results meant we were mathematical safe from relegation with three (?) games to go and actually pushed us up to mid-table "respectability".
I also agree with the idea that a better option would be someone like Steve Clarke. A coach with a proven record.
His record looked better due to the other results that shot us up the table. He did a decent job as caretaker, but not enough to get the job full time in my opinion.
I do love the idea that this was the only season in history when the team with the ninth best record somehow should have been demoted a few places because they didn't deserve to finish ninth.
You finish where you deserve to finish, I agree. But taking everything into account I would not have given him the job based on his time as caretaker along with his previous managerial record.
Neither would I. Indeed, I've said before that I wonder if history might have been different had Houllier been able to appoint his first choice as assistant.
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You will have to remind me who his first choice was, I have totally forgotten.
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Wasn't it Phil Thompson?
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He turned it down but there was someone else as well. A quick google search turns up Robert Duverne lined up as a coach so maybe that's who I was thinking of.
EDIT: Patrice Bergues.
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Very odd we've not appointed anyone yet - particularly as they went on record after Keane left and said finding a replacement was a priority.
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Very odd we've not appointed anyone yet - particularly as they went on record after Keane left and said finding a replacement was a priority.
I honestly read that post quickly with one eye on the telly and thought it said Keane was in The Priory.
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Very odd we've not appointed anyone yet - particularly as they went on record after Keane left and said finding a replacement was a priority.
We are on the 3rd manager who has had 'getting this club back up to where it belongs' as a 'priority'. I am not convinced the high ups at Villa think in the same timescales that we do.
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Very odd we've not appointed anyone yet - particularly as they went on record after Keane left and said finding a replacement was a priority.
We are on the 3rd manager who has had 'getting this club back up to where it belongs' as a 'priority'. I am not convinced the high ups at Villa think in the same timescales that we do.
Didn't Tom Fox say, all of two weeks ago, that we would be back in Europe in a 3-5 year timeframe?
Maybe he was confused and meant 35 year timeframe.
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Very odd we've not appointed anyone yet - particularly as they went on record after Keane left and said finding a replacement was a priority.
We are on the 3rd manager who has had 'getting this club back up to where it belongs' as a 'priority'. I am not convinced the high ups at Villa think in the same timescales that we do.
Didn't Tom Fox say, all of two weeks ago, that we would be back in Europe in a 3-5 year timeframe?
Maybe he was confused and meant 35 year timeframe.
Close. He said a 3 2 5 year timeframe.
Which by coincidence was Lambert's favourite chasing the game formation before he started betting on zero goals scored.
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From what I know from a friend who had dinner with McAllister a couple of weeks ago, he left with a sour tast in his mouth (although very well compensated). Apparantly.
...and hasnt worked again if my memory serves me right
His reign is totally over hyped IMHO
However, I do think if Houllier had stayed we would be doing a lot better now
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Very odd we've not appointed anyone yet - particularly as they went on record after Keane left and said finding a replacement was a priority.
We are on the 3rd manager who has had 'getting this club back up to where it belongs' as a 'priority'. I am not convinced the high ups at Villa think in the same timescales that we do.
Didn't Tom Fox say, all of two weeks ago, that we would be back in Europe in a 3-5 year timeframe?
Maybe he was confused and meant 35 year timeframe.
We are starting to sound like the noses and their 'bigger than the Villa in 3/5 years'.
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Close. He said a 3 2 5 year timeframe.
So we should be fine by the year 2340 then?
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Close. He said a 3 2 5 year timeframe.
So we should be fine by the year 2340 then?
It could be a lot longer than that if we appoint Zager and Evans.