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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: pauliewalnuts on January 01, 2015, 04:53:06 PM
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Absolute shite.
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LAMBERT THAT WAS GARBAGE - GET OUT OF OUR CLUB !!!!!!!!!
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booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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A clean sheet and another home game we didn't lose. Yay!
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Dreadful stuff
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Diafuckingbolical again. He has to be fired. Two points from Sunderland and Palace at home with no goals is unacceptable.
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Arse biscuits.
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Honestly, how is it possible to fully describe a performance as awful as that?
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Today's excuse. 'Its always tough when you're up against a team trying to impress a new manager so I thought we done great to keep a clean sheet.'
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Sanchez MOTM
That's about it.
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We've gone up one place in the league.
We took a point more from this game than we managed last season.
Erm...
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Please sack this fool
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Lambert out
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Please change our club name to Aston Villa 0 in the thread title. It will accurately reflect who we have become.
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Didn't follow the game but I know exactly what happened
Shocking team selection I thought
We're definitely the most boring side in the league - and by some distance I think
How did grealish do?
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that was fucking painful to watch, Lambert has to go, he's never going to fix this, it's just gone too long now and only a major change can get us back on track.
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That's us last on MOTD again.
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New year same shite, pathetic.
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Aston Villa nil
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We go again!
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Pfff. Football groundhog.
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Were boos audible enough for it to chill Lambert to his bones tonight?
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Aston Nilla
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My regards to anyone who managed to sit through all of that, I've gone into a sort of dead zone mental state because of it
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I don't have any problems, we're 12th and I think that's about where Villa are at this moment in time....
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Burnley have scored 5 in their last 2 games, we have scored 11 in our last 20
Fuck off Lambert.
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A load of garbage, however you wouldn't want to be an Everton fan either would you?
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Every other club actually is proactive, but we are pathetic at the moment.
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Lambert out. Utter garbage. What games does he expect to win? Where is the next win coming from? Blackpool can make it even worse. Boring boring villa.
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We were excellent....
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He can't say that was 'excellent'. Can he?
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Later on today Gary Lineker will say " ... And finally Aston Villa....".
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A point and a clean sheet, unbeaten this year, you have to take the positives.
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I only watched the second half. For half an hour we were half decent, until we got anywhere near the penalty area. The forward line creates so little it's depressing.
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We won the passing though.
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Moves us up the table a place, and keeps those below us at bay. Well done Villa. Good point.
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Grasshopper.......It is time for you to go.
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Football, but not as we know it. Even teams infamous for their cynicism and negativity had an end product. All Aston Villa have is eleven players whose job it is not to lose. A dreadful, horrible team led by a vacuous nothing of a manager.
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The problem is it will be seen as another point gained in the boardroom by an owner with less ambition than a 50 stone roofer.
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That looks like a team that does not give a shit and that has to be down to the manager.
I have no idea how Lerner can watch this garbage and think it is acceptable.
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highlight of the game was Weimann being subbed moments after miscontrolling (yet again) by Joe Cole wearing a waistband higher than Simon Cowell's
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Today's excuse. 'Its always tough when you're up against a team trying to impress a new manager so I thought we done great to keep a clean sheet.'
Today's excuse "It's hard to play when you're forced to take possession of the ball and can't use your only tactic that has ever shown any signs of working."
Today's reason "I'm shit scared to send a team out to play, even against one of the worst teams to play at this level in the last 10 years."
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Fair play to you fans who go week in week out. You're the true winners.
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I don't think there's anything I can post here that hasn't been said already, we really are dreadful.
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One from the archives:
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2771920,00.html
The club has been disappointed with this season's results, performances and the general message these have sent to our fans.
The board wishes to assure supporters that we are conscious in every sense that Villa expects and deserves more and we will strive to deliver this.
Villa chairman Randy Lerner said: "We need to be clear and candid with ourselves and with supporters about what we have lacked in recent years.
"Compelling play and results that instil a sense of confidence that Villa is on the right track have been plainly absent.
"The most immediate action that we can take is to look carefully at our options in terms of bringing in a new manager who sees the club's potential and embraces our collective expectations."
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It was superb - I love the new style .
Paul Lambert - football genius .
Nurse !!!
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He can't say that was 'excellent'. Can he?
Oh yes he can!!!!!
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Shocking result, but the right one.
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He can't say that was 'excellent'. Can he?
He can and he will. The only question is how often. Bet 365 are offering 10.5 for less than 8!
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Fair play to you fans who go week in week out. You're the true winners.
I think you mean heroes.
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On this showing I wouldn't give you 750k for Cleverly let alone 7.5mil.
Weimann and Gabby were hopeless all match how they both stay on so long is beyond me when we are playing like this.Benteke is the focal point of attack yet the other 2 give his zero support, there is no chemistry between the front 3.The attacking coaching is severely lacking
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2771920,00.html
The club has been disappointed with this season's results, performances and the general message these have sent to our fans.
The board wishes to assure supporters that we are conscious in every sense that Villa expects and deserves more and we will strive to deliver this.
Villa chairman Randy Lerner said: "We need to be clear and candid with ourselves and with supporters about what we have lacked in recent years.
"Compelling play and results that instil a sense of confidence that Villa is on the right track have been plainly absent.
"The most immediate action that we can take is to look carefully at our options in terms of bringing in a new manager who sees the club's potential and embraces our collective expectations."
Bastard! For half a second I almost believed.
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I don't have any problems, we're 12th and I think that's about where Villa are at this moment in time....
Right now the Prem is a crap league. Liverpool, Manchester United and Arsenal are on the wane and clubs like Southampton and West Ham are, so far, scrapping for European places. Yet again, Villa are in the wrong place at the right time to take advantage of any of this. It's fucking criminal that the biggest club in the second biggest city in the UK is where it is. All the ingredients are there for a powerhouse club, but consistent mismanagement has led us to huffing and puffing our way to a series of 0-0's against the likes of Crystal Palace.
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Has he gone? He as in Paul?
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He can't say that was 'excellent'. Can he?
Oh yes he can!!!!!
It's not that he can't say it. He will say it. And again next week.
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On this showing I wouldn't give you 750k for Cleverly let alone 7.5mil.
Weimann and Gabby were hopeless all match how they both stay on so long is beyond me when we are playing like this.Benteke is the focal point of attack yet the other 2 give his zero support, there is no chemistry between the front 3.The attacking coaching is severely lacking
Fixed
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Back four and Sanchez were good today. Everything ahead of them was shit. Grealish was lively when he came on and made a difference again.
Benteke will struggle to hit double figures this season. This leaves us two problems. One he's not offering us enough (and it's 50% the teammates and manager being shit, and 50% his attitude in games). The second is, that if we want to sell him on our terms, and being a selling club this is how we survive and evolve, he's not going to get us the sort of fee we'd like. In his pomp he could probably get us 25-30 mill which is enough to significantly rebuild your side and move on. At the moment we'll struggle to get half that. He's potentially World class but I think playing for Lamberts Villa is gradually turning him into the next John Carew. A player who will intermittently be unplayable, and never quite get the move to a top club he could be capable of. He's getting ruined here and in retrospect for his own sake he probably should have pushed for his move 18 months ago. 2 goals this season, though both class, is not nearly good enough.
Gabby, Weimann and Cleverley were atrocious. Bacuna isn't good enough.
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2771920,00.html
The club has been disappointed with this season's results, performances and the general message these have sent to our fans.
The board wishes to assure supporters that we are conscious in every sense that Villa expects and deserves more and we will strive to deliver this.
Villa chairman Randy Lerner said: "We need to be clear and candid with ourselves and with supporters about what we have lacked in recent years.
"Compelling play and results that instil a sense of confidence that Villa is on the right track have been plainly absent.
"The most immediate action that we can take is to look carefully at our options in terms of bringing in a new manager who sees the club's potential and embraces our collective expectations."
Bastard! For half a second I almost believed.
Shit, I had to look twice.
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Kevin Gage, I just read that as if it was a statement just released!
I was about to erupt in celebration....
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Today's excuse "It's hard to play when you're forced to take possession of the ball and can't use your only tactic that has ever shown any signs of working."
That hits the nail on the head for me. We have only ever looked any good during his tenure as a counter attacking side. He doesn't know how to set up a team to take the initiative, and play with a purpose. We are waiting to see what the opposition are going to do, even when they show very little ambition (like Crystal Palace today) - in which case we just shuffle the ball around aimlessly.
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Blackpool a tempting 15/2 to win on Sunday.
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The only positive I can draw from today is that it was the easiest way I'll ever turn £25 into £75.
0-0 at 2.0 after 30 minutes. Easy money.
Now having boosted my bank balance again, can Paul please FUCK OFF!
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Lambert out (pissing in the wind )
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Blackpool a tempting 15/2 to win on Sunday.
Wonder what the combined odds of them to win and Fonz to score would be?
It almost seems written. Honestly, if it got Lamberk the sack I'd almost be willing it to happen...Almost.
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Boring boring Villa, utter Fucking drivel, 0 goals over Christmas and New year is a disgrace. Fuck off
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The gormless fool has to go. And Lambert.
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Didn't follow the game but I know exactly what happened
Shocking team selection I thought
We're definitely the most boring side in the league - and by some distance I think
How did grealish do?
Most boring in the league? You silver tongued cavalier you. Most boring in Europe would be fairer.
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This morning I watched dam busters which I thoroughly enjoyed this afternoon I made a treacle glazed coke ham.
Oh and watched a game that was poorer than the Sunderland one and that is fucking incredible
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Back four and Sanchez were good today. Everything ahead of them was shit. Grealish was lively when he came on and made a difference again.
Benteke will struggle to hit double figures this season. This leaves us two problems. One he's not offering us enough (and it's 50% the teammates and manager being shit, and 50% his attitude in games). The second is, that if we want to sell him on our terms, and being a selling club this is how we survive and evolve, he's not going to get us the sort of fee we'd like. In his pomp he could probably get us 25-30 mill which is enough to significantly rebuild your side and move on. At the moment we'll struggle to get half that. He's potentially World class but I think playing for Lamberts Villa is gradually turning him into the next John Carew. A player who will intermittently be unplayable, and never quite get the move to a top club he could be capable of. He's getting ruined here and in retrospect for his own sake he probably should have pushed for his move 18 months ago. 2 goals this season, though both class, is not nearly good enough.
Gabby, Weimann and Cleverley were atrocious. Bacuna isn't good enough.
Benteke looks like he's given up. No service and doesn't drive at the defenders like he used to on the odd time he gets the ball. Lambert has totally destroyed Benteke as a world class striker
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Back four and Sanchez were good today. Everything ahead of them was shit. Grealish was lively when he came on and made a difference again.
Benteke will struggle to hit double figures this season. This leaves us two problems. One he's not offering us enough (and it's 50% the teammates and manager being shit, and 50% his attitude in games). The second is, that if we want to sell him on our terms, and being a selling club this is how we survive and evolve, he's not going to get us the sort of fee we'd like. In his pomp he could probably get us 25-30 mill which is enough to significantly rebuild your side and move on. At the moment we'll struggle to get half that. He's potentially World class but I think playing for Lamberts Villa is gradually turning him into the next John Carew. A player who will intermittently be unplayable, and never quite get the move to a top club he could be capable of. He's getting ruined here and in retrospect for his own sake he probably should have pushed for his move 18 months ago. 2 goals this season, though both class, is not nearly good enough.
Gabby, Weimann and Cleverley were atrocious. Bacuna isn't good enough.
I was thinking about this , his attitude right now would certainly cause a manager to think about dropping him, but because there are so many consistently poor performers out there why single him out.
This is just a symptom of having such a poor manager.
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Even Westley cannot sugarcoat that dross!
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It's coming to something when the fans of Crystal Palace sing;
"your grounds too big for you"
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In the last 5 games, we've failed to score against West Brom, Swansea, Sunderland and Palace. It's really not good enough from Paul, and he should be relieved of his duties forthwith.
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Lost: 1 Football Club. If found please return to Villa Park, B6, Birmingham
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And the worst thing is, he's untouchable.
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That looks like a team that does not give a shit and that has to be down to the manager.
I have no idea how Lerner can watch this garbage and think it is acceptable.
I seriously doubt he was watching
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I blame Hodge.
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I predicted 0-0 and as I followed the game I was never in doubt about that being the final scoreline, 11 goals in 20 games now which is atrocious, but no matter what happens Lambert will remain in charge, the Lambert years have been a complete bag of shite, I feel so sorry for season ticket holders suffering dross like this, we fuckin go again.
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And the worst thing is, he's untouchable.
I'm afraid that's the truth, Lerner has a manager that he feels will keep Villa in the league without having to spend very much cash to achieve it.
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It's coming to something when the fans of Crystal Palace sing;
"your grounds too big for you"
They can go fuck themselves. It's probably been 20 years since they last had an attendance of 29K, wankers.
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Weimann and Gabby were hopeless all match how they both stay on so long is beyond me when we are playing like this.Benteke is the focal point of attack yet the other 2 give his zero support, there is no chemistry between the front 3.The attacking coaching is severely lacking
I agree. It seems as if Scott Marshall is our only coach ATM, and he is obviously looking more after defense than anything else. Surely we need a dedicated forwards coach to help a relatively young player like Benteke learn the tools of his trade. None of our strikers have good movement or take up good enough positions. They don't operate like a coordinated unit at all.
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I was watching soccer Thursday earlier, they were saying we're drifting along and the only place were goin is down, hard to disagree
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Gabby and Weimann, despite clearly contributing very nearly nothing in almost every match, continue to get picked just about every time.
What does Lambert think is going to change there? They are poor players playing in positions not suited to them. That isn't going to just magically change.
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Burnley, Albion, Sunderland, Leicester and hull showing some real fight to get out trouble. We on the other hand cant be bothered. Lambert is poison and he has to be gone to give us any chance ofgetting out of trouble.
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Weimann and Gabby were hopeless all match how they both stay on so long is beyond me when we are playing like this.Benteke is the focal point of attack yet the other 2 give his zero support, there is no chemistry between the front 3.The attacking coaching is severely lacking
I agree. It seems as if Scott Marshall is our only coach ATM, and he is obviously looking more after defense than anything else. Surely we need a dedicated forwards coach to help a relatively young player like Benteke learn the tools of his trade. None of our strikers have good movement or take up good enough positions. They don't operate like a coordinated unit at all.
How much of a difference it genuinely made I don't know, but Sheringham seems to have had a positive impact at West Ham. I wonder if we couldn't get a former forward (not even necessarily one of our former players) with a little nous in to coach the attackers.
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This was our run of winnable games
We could be in trouble I think
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2771920,00.html
The club has been disappointed with this season's results, performances and the general message these have sent to our fans.
The board wishes to assure supporters that we are conscious in every sense that Villa expects and deserves more and we will strive to deliver this.
Villa chairman Randy Lerner said: "We need to be clear and candid with ourselves and with supporters about what we have lacked in recent years.
"Compelling play and results that instil a sense of confidence that Villa is on the right track have been plainly absent.
"The most immediate action that we can take is to look carefully at our options in terms of bringing in a new manager who sees the club's potential and embraces our collective expectations."
Bastard! For half a second I almost believed.
Sorry, I should edit that.
Wasn't intended as a wind up. More to highlight that using the criteria outlined by Lerner himself in 2012, the guy has been a complete failure.
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Another Villa clown on the radio singling out Sanchez out for being poor, no mention of anyone else.
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It's coming to something when the fans of Crystal Palace sing;
"your grounds too big for you"
they`re quite right, we`re small time now and it isn`t going to change anytime soon.
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Burnley, Albion, Sunderland, Leicester and hull showing some real fight to get out trouble. We on the other hand cant be bothered. Lambert is poison and he has to be gone to give us any chance ofgetting out of trouble.
Leicester on something like a run of form for them. That'll be a tough game. Then we have Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea after that. You'd think we're nailed on to lose all of them. Liverpool should be a game we look for points in, but generally we're shit against them at VP. Well...we're just shit at VP full stop.
We're nowhere near safe yet. I think we'll get dragged back into it. There's also a danger of the new manager effect at both West Brom and Palace.
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It's a depressing thought that both Lambert and Agbonlahor have recently been rewarded with long term contracts.
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I think the players can be bothered. They're just poor players being badly managed.
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Another Villa clown on the radio singling out Sanchez out for being poor, no mention of anyone else.
He was the best player on the park. Not sure what game he was watching. He got the MOTM at the ground too.
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I'm sure I'm in a coma, is this my 'life on mars' ?
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Another Villa clown on the radio singling out Sanchez out for being poor, no mention of anyone else.
He was the best player on the park. Not sure what game he was watching. He got the MOTM at the ground too.
Hopefully someone will call WM and tell him to open his eyes.
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Sanchez was the one positive. He is a very good player, cant believe theres people saying he was poor
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Another Villa clown on the radio singling out Sanchez out for being poor, no mention of anyone else.
He was the best player on the park. Not sure what game he was watching. He got the MOTM at the ground too.
Hopefully someone will call WM and tell him to open his eyes.
What did he say about him?
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It's a depressing thought that both Lambert and Agbonlahor have recently been rewarded with long term contracts.
Sad to say it but it's a pity Gabby's red card was overturned.
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I always try and look for positives from each game but before they even kicked off I could see how the match was going to play out. If you are going to try and play a possession based passing game building from the back, you do not go into the game with a 4-3-3 formation, particularly if one of the 3 in midfield is Bacuna. To cap it all, Lambert then made the stupid substitution of Grealish for Cleverly. Granted Cleverly is not playing well (but not as bad as many are making out) but at least he is a proper midfield player that knows how to link play. The substitution should have been Grealish for either Gabby or Weimann.
The way Lambert is trying to play is so easy for the opposition to set themselves up for. All you have to do is put a wide player in the space in front of Hutton and Cissoko and we have nowhere to go with ball with the players we have got. You need the extra man in the middle so that the ball can be worked through the middle and draw the opposition wide players in and then create space for the fullbacks.
Going back to the point of possession football, you have to have players that have good first touch. Most of our players have absolutely crap ball control. Players in certain positions where they get more space and time can get away with it but not in the middle. When you see either Gabby or Weimann drop deep to receive the ball you are immediately thinking that we are in danger of turning the ball over. It reminds me of the Atkinson comment about Carlton Palmer when he said "Palmer covered every blade of grass on the pitch today but that was because his ball control was so poor".
No more excuses for the manager. Granted that we do not seem able to field the best team consistently because of injury and suspension, he cannot use the players available to play a system that suits.
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New Year, same shite.
Groundhog Day B6 style....
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just got back soaked thru dire villa again
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One positive about the result is I was bought a Golden Goal ticket for Xmas. It said March.
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One positive about the result is I was bought a Golden Goal ticket for Xmas. It said March.
Which year?
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One positive about the result is I was bought a Golden Goal ticket for Xmas. It said March.
Which year?
One positive about the result is I was bought a Golden Goal ticket for Xmas. It said March.
Jasper Carrott on the phone, he wants his joke back!
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Quote fail there.
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One positive about the result is I was bought a Golden Goal ticket for Xmas. It said March.
Which year?
One positive about the result is I was bought a Golden Goal ticket for Xmas. It said March.
Jasper Carrott on the phone, he wants his joke back!
He can also give Weiman his shirt back, he was useless out there today.
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Just heard a reporter on the radio say that is 39 out of 96 games we have failed to score in under this clueless idiot .Despite our failure to score,he has refused to give the young kid Robinson a single minute of action since he came back from Preston .He could'nt be any worse than Gabby or Wiemann thats for sure. Just like with young Jack i think he just has'nt got the balls to play them
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If that's the 'new way of playing' that the manager has invented then he can shove it up his fucking arse.
Both Sunderland the other day and Palace today are both absolutely shite football teams. The fact the we are unable to beat them both, at home, speaks absolute volumes about where we are.
Lambert, please,please please, just fuck off!
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If that's the 'new way of playing' that the manager has invented then he can shove it up his fucking arse.
Both Sunderland the other day and Palace today are both absolutely shite football teams. The fact the we are unable to beat them both, at home, speaks absolute volumes about where we are.
Lambert, please,please please, just fuck off!
Even scoring against both of them. Or maybe just one of them.
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Cut and paste from the last 30 odd home performances. Fcuking grim.
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I thought Sanchez apart from a few mistimed passes when he got tired was our best player again. Piss poor overall, Jack made his usual positive runs although he still looks really lightweight to me. Is there another club that would have kept this manager after being this shit for this long?
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Just heard a reporter on the radio say that is 39 out of 96 games we have failed to score in under this clueless idiot .Despite our failure to score,he has refused to give the young kid Robinson a single minute of action since he came back from Preston .He could'nt be any worse than Gabby or Wiemann thats for sure. Just like with young Jack i think he just has'nt got the balls to play them
27 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season have involved the phrase Aston Villa 0
11 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season we have scored more than 1.
6 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season we have scored more than 2.
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Another Villa clown on the radio singling out Sanchez out for being poor, no mention of anyone else.
He was the best player on the park. Not sure what game he was watching. He got the MOTM at the ground too.
Hopefully someone will call WM and tell him to open his eyes.
What did he say about him?
He said he was poor, passes sideways and couldn't believe he got motm again. I'll vocaroo it and post it later.
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I'm sure I'm in a coma, is this my 'life on mars' ?
It's how you know we're not in The Matrix, it'd be better than this.
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Just heard a reporter on the radio say that is 39 out of 96 games we have failed to score in under this clueless idiot .Despite our failure to score,he has refused to give the young kid Robinson a single minute of action since he came back from Preston .He could'nt be any worse than Gabby or Wiemann thats for sure. Just like with young Jack i think he just has'nt got the balls to play them
27 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season have involved the phrase Aston Villa 0
11 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season we have scored more than 1.
6 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season we have scored more than 2.
There's been 58 league games. You have to count them all again!
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I thought Sanchez apart from a few mistimed passes when he got tired was our best player again. Piss poor overall, Jack made his usual positive runs although he still looks really lightweight to me. Is there another club that would have kept this manager after being this shit for this long?
No.
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One thing that looks clear to me is that the team are scared of conceding a goal as they do not have the confidence to score one let alone two goals in a match. This is then leading to an over safe way of playing and thus the sterile performances. You cannot play football by numbers, you have to have some off-the-cuff creativity.
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Just heard a reporter on the radio say that is 39 out of 96 games we have failed to score in under this clueless idiot .Despite our failure to score,he has refused to give the young kid Robinson a single minute of action since he came back from Preston .He could'nt be any worse than Gabby or Wiemann thats for sure. Just like with young Jack i think he just has'nt got the balls to play them
27 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season have involved the phrase Aston Villa 0
11 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season we have scored more than 1.
6 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season we have scored more than 2.
There's been 58 league games. You have to count them all again!
Bollocks, missing a game from last season. Can't see it altering things too much though!
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Only the top 4 have conceded less. We might be half decent if we had a clue how to attack.
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This time last year we were on a similarly shitty run, but were without Benteke. Fuck knows what's going to save us this year.
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And so it goes on and on and on. Dreadful,dreadful, mind numbing football. If you can call it that. And as supporters we can do absolutely nothing about it.....nothing.
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Bollocks, missing a game from last season. Can't see it altering things too much though!
My New Year gift to you. Having to relive last season!
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What I noticed was that Hutton looked like the only player in our side, other than Grealish when he came on, to play with any urgency to get forward at all.
The long spells of passing the ball across the halfway line were just hilarious, clearly told not to give the ball away - laudable - but with absolutely no idea at all what to do with it.
If that idiot thinks Sanogo is going to solve any of our problems, then he is absolutely nuts. Sanogo fails to score when playing in Arsenal's team, with their midfield. How on earth is he meant to score with the shite in our midfield?
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Meet the new dross, same as the old dross.
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I'm sure I'm in a coma, is this my 'life on mars' ?
It's how you know we're not in The Matrix, it'd be better than this.
"This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill—the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill—you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember: all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more."
"What about the claret and blue pill?"
"Don't touch that one. That's some fucked up shit"
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This time last year we were on a similarly shitty run, but were without Benteke. Fuck knows what's going to save us this year.
For all the opportunities we create for him, Benteke genuinely might as well be in a different postcode to the rest of the side.
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Found the missing game. West Ham from 8th Feb last year.
So....
28 games out of the 58 games from the start of last season have involved the phrase Aston Villa 0
In 11 games out of the 58 games from the start of last season we've scored more than 1.
In 6 games out of the 58 games from the start of last season we've scored more than 2.
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Bollocks, missing a game from last season. Can't see it altering things too much though!
My New Year gift to you. Having to relive last season!
Seems fair enough after I inflicted the second half on you today.
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Has he mentioned that was our third game in a week and the boys were really tired. I thought they were fantastic and excellent to be honest
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I'd be interested to know if the fans were calling for Lambert to go at all today. It's way beyond time.
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One thing that looks clear to me is that the team are scared of conceding a goal as they do not have the confidence to score one let alone two goals in a match. This is then leading to an over safe way of playing and thus the sterile performances. You cannot play football by numbers, you have to have some off-the-cuff creativity.
I think it's more that Lambert doesn't trust them to. Otherwise he'd be giving bollockings left, right and centre to get players making the sorts of runs we managed twice in the second half, where Weimann down the right side and Cisokho down the left were played in behind the fullback after 2 or 3 quick passes. typically they both made an absolute mess of the cross.
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Both Sunderland the other day and Palace today are both absolutely shite football teams. The fact the we are unable to beat them both, at home, speaks absolute volumes about where we are.
This.
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They came. They played. They stank.
Utter turgid, insipid garbage.
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That's us last on MOTD again.
i am really pleased about that as I a m going out later and will return just before the end of MotD :)
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Just heard a reporter on the radio say that is 39 out of 96 games we have failed to score in under this clueless idiot .Despite our failure to score,he has refused to give the young kid Robinson a single minute of action since he came back from Preston .He could'nt be any worse than Gabby or Wiemann thats for sure. Just like with young Jack i think he just has'nt got the balls to play them
27 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season have involved the phrase Aston Villa 0
11 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season we have scored more than 1.
6 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season we have scored more than 2.
Not meaning to be pedantic, but isn't the last stat actually '2 or more' so effectively 'more than 1'?!
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I'd be interested to know if the fans were calling for Lambert to go at all today. It's way beyond time.
Booing at HT and FT and patches during the game.
That said Randy won't pay a blind bit of notice.
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I'd be interested to know if the fans were calling for Lambert to go at all today. It's way beyond time.
Not that I noticed. Well, nothing loud enough to wake me, anyway.
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Both Sunderland the other day and Palace today are both absolutely shite football teams. The fact the we are unable to beat them both, at home, speaks absolute volumes about where we are.
This.
Coupled with the fact that Sanchez a defensive midfielder was MotM against both these teams. My eyes are bleeding after watching these two games. All of you who could not make it to VP.... you lucky bastards!
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His talk with Pep is working well then? No idea how to get around their defence...no wingers and hence no crosses. He needs to change formation and a few players. Drop Andi, Gabby and Cleverley.
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Glad I slept off my hangover instead of watching.
Shocking we can't put teams like this shite to the sword, still if I am honest I thought we might lose this. Happy to hear we are sticking with the possession game though.
This transfer window is vital. Then again I said that last year.
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Just back from game, cold , wet angry and bored.
That was absolute dog shit. Lambert has to go, the tactics are just shocking, there is no plan , no urgency. Tom fucking Cleverley.
We go again.
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I'd be interested to know if the fans were calling for Lambert to go at all today. It's way beyond time.
Yes even a mild mannered man like me was seen on his feet 10 minutes into the second half telling him to go forth and multiply!
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His talk with Pep is working well then? No idea how to het around their defence...no wingers and hence no crosses. He nees to change formation and a few players. Drop Andi, Gabby and Cleverley.
Grealish fills one of those spots, who are the other two?
Genuine question, I have no faith in N'zogbia and I thought Bacuna had a poor game today too.
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Just heard a reporter on the radio say that is 39 out of 96 games we have failed to score in under this clueless idiot .Despite our failure to score,he has refused to give the young kid Robinson a single minute of action since he came back from Preston .He could'nt be any worse than Gabby or Wiemann thats for sure. Just like with young Jack i think he just has'nt got the balls to play them
27 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season have involved the phrase Aston Villa 0
11 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season we have scored more than 1.
6 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season we have scored more than 2.
Not meaning to be pedantic, but isn't the last stat actually '2 or more' so effectively 'more than 1'?!
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According to Tom Toss, he interviewed Tom Fox recently who said they are delighted with the manager, how the team plays, what he says, how things are progressing at the club and are rock solid behind him and his running of the club. If true, and I've no reason to doubt it, things are much worse than even we could imagine in the depths of our despair. This truly is a ship of fools.
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His talk with Pep is working well then? No idea how to het around their defence...no wingers and hence no crosses. He nees to change formation and a few players. Drop Andi, Gabby and Cleverley.
Grealish fills one of those spots, who are the other two?
Genuine question, I have no faith in N'zogbia and I thought Bacuna had a poor game today too.
Before todays match i suggested a 4-4-1-1 formation
Grealish and Bacuna as the wide midfielders, Cole in the hole just off Benteke to link things
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His talk with Pep is working well then? No idea how to het around their defence...no wingers and hence no crosses. He nees to change formation and a few players. Drop Andi, Gabby and Cleverley.
Grealish fills one of those spots, who are the other two?
Genuine question, I have no faith in N'zogbia and I thought Bacuna had a poor game today too.
How about Richardson and Robinson ? That said I would have Hodge starting before Gabby at the moment .
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According to Tom Toss, he interviewed Tom Fox recently who said they are delighted with the manager, how the team plays, what he says, how things are progressing at the club and are rock solid behind him and his running of the club. If true, and I've no reason to doubt it, things are much worse than even we could imagine in the depths of our despair. This truly is a ship of fools.
The most depressing post I've read on here in a long time.
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Attendance today : 29,046
Corresponding fixture last season : 37,752
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The stats would lead you to believe we did ok but the reality is that was awful in an attacking sense. Two breakaways for them first half, should have scored with one but generally Palace created nothing. Again we kept the ball but the tempo was so slow so it was easy for Palace players to defend. Why we start with Gabby at home I just don't know, his only moment was late on when we broke quickly. When he is faced with a team defending in numbers he is invisible. Weimann never finds space with his runs. Sick of saying it but we need to play with greater urgency, be prepared to take players on in the last third and get better forwards in to support Benteke. Got to say as a lasped season ticket holder that that was only my third visit to a league game this year, seeing two 0-0 games in a week isn't making me think I am missing much, looks like another 7000-8000 fans must think the same.
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Just heard a reporter on the radio say that is 39 out of 96 games we have failed to score in under this clueless idiot .Despite our failure to score,he has refused to give the young kid Robinson a single minute of action since he came back from Preston .He could'nt be any worse than Gabby or Wiemann thats for sure. Just like with young Jack i think he just has'nt got the balls to play them
27 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season have involved the phrase Aston Villa 0
11 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season we have scored more than 1.
6 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season we have scored more than 2.
Not meaning to be pedantic, but isn't the last stat actually '2 or more' so effectively 'more than 1'?!
You're quite right.
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Just heard a reporter on the radio say that is 39 out of 96 games we have failed to score in under this clueless idiot .Despite our failure to score,he has refused to give the young kid Robinson a single minute of action since he came back from Preston .He could'nt be any worse than Gabby or Wiemann thats for sure. Just like with young Jack i think he just has'nt got the balls to play them
27 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season have involved the phrase Aston Villa 0
11 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season we have scored more than 1.
6 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season we have scored more than 2.
Not meaning to be pedantic, but isn't the last stat actually '2 or more' so effectively 'more than 1'?!
Well, no, cos he's already done the "more than 1"[=>2]. Eleven times. Six times we've scored three or more? Right now, that seems a lot. They must have been heady days!
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Just got back, booed off Ht and Ft true also the chant I heard from the fee Holte Enders behind me was "boring ,boring Lambert".Strange how people see things ,Bacuna was our ONLY goal threat from free kicks,Benteke didn't want to know,the woeful Weimann stayed on,while he took Cleverly off who was having his best game so far.This totally unbalanced the side , stupid!
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I'd be interested to know if the fans were calling for Lambert to go at all today. It's way beyond time.
Booing at HT and FT and patches during the game.
That said Randy won't pay a blind bit of notice.
Why should he?. After today we are in twelfth place he probably thinks thats OK. He has no connection to the people who support Aston Villa he just owns the club.
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Just heard a reporter on the radio say that is 39 out of 96 games we have failed to score in under this clueless idiot .Despite our failure to score,he has refused to give the young kid Robinson a single minute of action since he came back from Preston .He could'nt be any worse than Gabby or Wiemann thats for sure. Just like with young Jack i think he just has'nt got the balls to play them
27 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season have involved the phrase Aston Villa 0
11 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season we have scored more than 1.
6 games out of the 57 league games from the start of last season we have scored more than 2.
Not meaning to be pedantic, but isn't the last stat actually '2 or more' so effectively 'more than 1'?!
Well, no, cos he's already done the "more than 1"[=>2]. Eleven times. Six times we've scored three or more? Right now, that seems a lot. They must have been heady days!
It does seem like a lot. I have Arsenal away, Hull home, West Brom home, Norwich home from last season off the top of my head. Obviously there are none from this season.
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Saints away 3-2, Citeh home 3-2
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Another poor gate today .29,047 These sort of gates are the only way i can see Learner getting rid of this totally clueless manager eventually
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Highlight of the day was the half time challenge. I thought that guy had bad luck where the ball rolled right over the target and finished just outside
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Boring. Just boring. I may take a bucket of ditchwater to the next game to see which is duller. No apparent pattern of play, no guile, no creativity, no intensity, just possession without purpose. First time I've heard 'we want Lambert out' on the Upper Holte after the game. And I'm beginning to think the man is seriously deluded - on WM on the way back he was banging on about how much possession we had, and that we had 5 attacking players on the pitch so the chances and goals will come. Really, Paul? So the worst home record in our history and the paucity of goals are just imaginary blips then?
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Highlight of the day was the half time challenge. I thought that guy had bad luck where the ball rolled right over the target and finished just outside
He really did, that x-box should have been his.
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Lambert can say anything. His job is totally safe.
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OS match report
Villa's festive frustrations continued as they suffered a second shut-out in the space of five days.
Having been held to a goalless draw by Sunderland on Sunday, Paul Lambert's men were unable to break down a Crystal Palace outfit who defended doggedly and in depth.
Villa started brightly, but there were few chances at either end after skipper Ron Vlaar had been forced off in the 15th minute after jarring his leg while challenging Wilfried Zaha.
Losing the Holland international almost proved costly for Villa even before he had limped down the tunnel.
Sub Ciaran Clark had barely had chance to settle when Yannick Bolasie caught Villa off guard as he sprinted through from the halfway line and beat the advancing Brad Guzan with a right-foot shot which smacked against the bar.
Maybe the Palace midfielder should have done better, but by then the home side had already created three scoring opportunities.
Less than two minutes had elapsed when Christian Benteke's low shot was parried by Julian Speroni following a fluent move, and then Gabby Agbonlahor scooped his shot well over the bar after another fine build-up had culminated with Alan Hutton providing an excellent cross from the right.
Hutton very nearly claimed his second Villa goal, too, when Aly Cissoko's cross from the left found its way to him via a couple of deflections.
The Scotland international could hardly have struck his eight-yard drive any better, but Speroni spread himself the change the ball away.
Leandro Bacuna wasn't far off target in the 27th minute, curling a 25-yard free-kick just too high, while Carlos Sanchez also sent a long=range effort over the bar.
But there was a scare in the 34th minute when Martin Kelly crossed dangerously from the left and Clark had to be alert to get in a timely challenge as Zaha threatened to capitalise.
It was a move which clearly lifted the visitors because a minute later Bolasie wasn't far off target with a rising angled drive.
The visitors continued their more positive approach after the interval, Jason Puncheon having a shot charged down, although Villa quickly responded, Tom Cleverely's fierce shot taking a deflection for a corner before Benteke's downward header from a Bacuna corner flashed narrowly wide of the far post.
But in the 62nd minute Villa were grateful to Cissokho, whose last-ditch challenge prevented James McArthur from grabbing what looked an almost certain goal following a mix-up in the home defence.
Nine minutes later, the impressive Sanchez cut the ball back cleverly from the right and Benteke's first-time shot flashed just too high from 12 yards.
Bacuna was also unlucky with a powerful cross-shot which cannoned off Kelly and away for a corner.
Four minutes from the end, the Dutch midfielder was cursing his misfortune once again, this time when his 25-yard free-kick was tipped away by Speroni as it headed towards the top corner.
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Highlight of the day was the half time challenge. I thought that guy had bad luck where the ball rolled right over the target and finished just outside
He really did, that x-box should have been his.
Can he appeal?
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Highlight was FT whistle and the "boring boring villa" chants from the Holte and the boos aimed at Lerner and lambert.
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According to Tom Toss, he interviewed Tom Fox recently who said they are delighted with the manager, how the team plays, what he says, how things are progressing at the club and are rock solid behind him and his running of the club. If true, and I've no reason to doubt it, things are much worse than even we could imagine in the depths of our despair. This truly is a ship of fools.
Therein lies the problem.
With regards to today, defended ok, paper mâché Ron will be out for the foreseeable I would imagine. I actually thought Tom C played well first half, always wanted the ball and did feed the fullbacks well. Weimann puts in a shift but is played out of position, only Lambert to blame for that. Gabby was appalling, if there is a player out there with less footballing nous please tell me. Offered absolutely nothing when he should have been stretching their defence. Benteke is well off form although I think some of this is confidence. He needs goals and most of all chances....
Possession means sweet FA if you create nothing. 11 goals this season is an utter disgrace.
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This will be an anathema to many H&V posters, but Bono got something right: nothing changes on New Year's Day...
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I'd be interested to know if the fans were calling for Lambert to go at all today. It's way beyond time.
Booing at HT and FT and patches during the game.
That said Randy won't pay a blind bit of notice.
Booing has happened fairly often throughout Lambert's reign. I was thinking more of Lambert out chants and their ilk, which I think any other set of fans would have started long ago. I can't decide if we have the most patient fans in the league, the most blindly loyal, or the most apathetic.
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According to Tom Toss, he interviewed Tom Fox recently who said they are delighted with the manager, how the team plays, what he says, how things are progressing at the club and are rock solid behind him and his running of the club. If true, and I've no reason to doubt it, things are much worse than even we could imagine in the depths of our despair. This truly is a ship of fools.
The most depressing post I've read on here in a long time.
Either that is classic PR puff or we have just added yet another brain donor to the Villa Park hierarchy. As if if owner and manager weren't enough already.
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We will be fine scoring. Just wait till
Bent, Benteke, Gabby, Weimann err Kozak? Is back from injury/suspension/loan.
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11 goals in 23 now. :o
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Made a conscious decision not to bother today.
#apathyrules
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11 goals in 23 now. :o
Not a bad return for a striker!
Wait, thats the whole team??? Oh dear.
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Being the naive fool I am, I genuinely thought we could muster 5-7 points from these three Christmas games. Two points, zero scored and buckets of insipid awfulness.
Not good enough.
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I hope Benteke is watching how a centre forward can play in movement and passion in Harry Kane against Chelsea.He's seriously ripping Terry a new one.
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We've scored once in the last 5 league games.
It's getting worse rapidly.
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I heard Pat Murphy say we wil be having a Month of the gOal competition at Villa Parlk which made me laugh.
Our scoring record this season just looks like somebody has dumped a load of computer code on to our fixtures.
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Well decision made for me. Them toss pots will not be getting any money out of me on Sunday.
I want to go to the Villa and be entertained.
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We've scored once in the last 5 league games.
It's getting worse rapidly.
Its bizarre, some of these players must know each others game really well. Ino cohesion at all
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I am sure Pat Murphy enjoyed his little jape. He really hates us. He will go silent again once we start winning.
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Well decision made for me. Them toss pots will not be getting any money out of me on Sunday.
I want to go to the Villa and be entertained.
I've already got tickets for this as well as Liverpool. Waste of money for me, but Fred loves it. Poor little lad.
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Leading Premier League scorers:
Sergio Aguero (Man City) 14 goals
Diego Costa (Chelsea) 14 goals
Charlie Austin (QPR) 12 goals
Aston Villa (Aston Villa) 11 goals
Alexei Sanchez (Arsenal) 10 goals.
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I am sure Pat Murphy enjoyed his little jape. He really hates us. He will go silent again once we start winning.
He'll probably be retired, if not long dead, by then.
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We can act as fans. Its happened with all previous managers, bar O'Neill, in the non too distance past.
We make our voice heard at matches. It hasn't happened yet with Lambert - I'm not sure whether it will happen as apathy rules over passion - at present at least.
Other than that it may even happen through apathy and attendances plummet. Less than 30k against Liverpool may be the moment.
Role on Blackpool !
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Leading Premier League scorers:
Sergio Aguero (Man City) 14 goals
Diego Costa (Chelsea) 14 goals
Charlie Austin (QPR) 12 goals
Aston Villa (Aston Villa) 11 goals
Alexei Sanchez (Arsenal) 10 goals.
Stolen...
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I am sure Pat Murphy enjoyed his little jape. He really hates us. He will go silent again once we start winning.
He'll probably be retired, if not long dead, by then.
Judging by his writing he is already retired and nearly dead. Ba BOOM!
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Leading Premier League scorers:
Sergio Aguero (Man City) 14 goals
Diego Costa (Chelsea) 14 goals
Charlie Austin (QPR) 12 goals
Aston Villa (Aston Villa) 11 goals
Alexei Sanchez (Arsenal) 10 goals.
Very good!
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Have to say though, Sanchez was outstanding again. Everything goes through him. Not surprised he was breathing out of his arse on 75 mins. Need a no 10 as good.
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A view from the blinkered:
Paul Lambert is eager for his team to find the finishing touch after seeing them draw a blank against Crystal Palace.
Manager Lambert says he was pleased with the manner of the display as Villa controlled possession throughout the 90 minutes against the Eagles.
But the Villa boss wants his players to show more guile in front of goal in the coming weeks and months ahead.
He said: "We dominated from start to finish. But we failed to unlock their defence.
"They packed everyone behind the ball. It was tough to break them down.
"We tried - we had chances to do it.
"We had to get the goal and entice them out.
"They kept on probing. They kept on going. It's frustrating when you don't unlock the door.
"They had a back six at times. It's not easy to break that down. You have to be patient.
"But the way we're controlling the games at the moment is really pleasing.
"The name of the game is to score and we're getting chances. We have to take them when they do come.
"We have just got to take them to finish off the good play.
"We have to keep playing the way we're playing and keep dominating the ball. We are getting chances. It's not like we're not getting any opportunities. They are there.
"We just need one of the lads to fire it in.
"I think if we'd scored today, Palace would have come out a bit more and then you can maybe exploit their gaps but they defended very, very deep.
"We just needed that finishing touch."
Lambert revealed that skipper Ron Vlaar - withdrawn early in the first half - will have a scan on his injured knee on Friday.
The Villa boss will be waiting anxiously for news on his captain.
He added: "I am not 100% sure but he's thinking it could be the same sort of thing that he hurt in the World Cup. It's his knee.
"We will probably know more tomorrow. He will go for a scan. Hopefully it's not too bad.
"He thinks it might be similar to the one he had in Brazil. We will have to wait and see.
"I didn't want to bring Ciaran on but I thought him and Jores were excellent. I wanted to give Ciaran a break due to his back. But I thought he did ever so well when he came on."
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Football must be one of the only games where the members (season ticket holders) get absolutely no say as to the direction of the club.
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I didnt see the game but to be honest Lambert's (sorry Paul's) comments seem pretty sensible.
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Manager Lambert says he was pleased with the manner of the display as Villa controlled possession throughout the 90 minutes against the Eagles.
What?
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We are playing the same group of players, in basically the same formation that leaves Benteke isolated.
To be honest, I've gone past caring. Wake me up when Lambert & Lerner have gone.
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We didn't lose. Well done Paul, out McLeishing McLeish.
Shut the door on your way out.
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Manager Lambert says he was pleased with the manner of the display as Villa controlled possession throughout the 90 minutes against the Eagles.
What?
He now thinks that just having the ball is good enough and constitutes a good performance. Doesn't matter what we did with it, we had the ball so clearly all we need now is the 'finishing touch'.
He is mental.
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Football must be one of the only games where the members (season ticket holders) get absolutely no say as to the direction of the club.
What say do you want exactly?
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Was reading the other day the lowest number of goals we have ever scored in a season is 36. The clueless one is going to set up another unwanted record with something to spare
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Lambert spent a whole year saying possession itself doesn't count for anything and now he's peddling a different line
If he were newly installed I could accept a period when we struggled to translate a new passing style into penetrative play. But it's the sudden about face that really undermines confidence in him. Why change now? It's not as if we've suddenly got better or different players.
I've had enough I think. We're just so boring. He needs to go.
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We seem to believe we can draw our way to safety at home.
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Lambert spent a whole year saying possession itself doesn't count for anything and now he's peddling a different line
Precisely!
And, this is one of the things that pisses me off more than anything else.
He's like a fucking politician, full of soundbites but actually saying nothing of any substance.
Basically, assuming that fans and supporters are too fucking stupid to really know what's going on.
As has been said many,many times, the bloke is a chancer and needs to be gone!!!
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Lambert spent a whole year saying possession itself doesn't count for anything and now he's peddling a different line
If he were newly installed I could accept a period when we struggled to translate a new passing style into penetrative play. But it's the sudden about face that really undermines confidence in him. Why change now? It's not as if we've suddenly got better or different players.
He seems unable to concentrate on more than one topic at a time "young and hungry" now "ball retention". He still hasn't bought the No 10 we told him he needed when he first came although 12 months ago he told us we needed a No 10 and then loaned Grant Holt. I think he has realised that fans were sick of us losing at home so he now tries to ensure we don't at the cost of any chance of winning.
Thanks but no thanks Mr Lambert - on yer way...
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I can't believe tom fox can sit through game after game of this turgid shit with thousands of empty seats around him and still think this is ok!
I'm honestly baffled why he left arsenal for this
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I'm honestly baffled why he left arsenal for this
Probably the promotion and payrise.
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The thing is we're 12th, but I don't think anyone watching us thinks we're playing to an acceptable level. Also the games against weaker sides are starting to run out now.
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This morning I was agonising because I had been invited for a weekend away we play Stoke as I always want to attend every League match in a season - well after the Sunderland match and today's drivel it's not an issue really. If they start losing idiots like me they really are in trouble.
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gehen wir wieder
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Pig sick with the performance today - the team as a whole, tactically and a number of individuals.
Guzan and the defence - good...but we were only playing Crystal Palace...Okore outstanding!
Sanchez, excellent, the rest...shite! No creativity or desire to take a player on/play an incisive pass.
Cleverley was neat - nothing more. DO NOT BUY HIM!
Weimann - incredibly poor and increasingly so....surprised he was in the starting 11 today...he has made no progress as a player in the last 18 months and made almost zero contribution today.
Gabby - have been reluctant to join his critics but have been forced to do so after today...bloody awful and a waste of a place in the team...Calum Robinson would have given us more...I would have given us more! For a Villa "legend" I am almost embarrassed for him. He has given us very little of his effort this season, let alone his skills/strengths. He had ONE run at them today - in about the 80th minute!
Benteke - because he gets such shite service - 3/4 touches in the 1st half - he tries too hard when he does get the ball - always trying to score from 20/25 yards out. He needs an incisive pass or 2 from midfield or a series of decent crosses - we are providing neither - so how the f**k is he supposed to score?
I honestly think we have some good players, just incredibly badly deployed.
WTF do they do at BH?
Lifelong Member: The Disillusioned Aston Villa Fans' Association.
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A view from the blinkered:
Paul Lambert is eager for his team to find the finishing touch after seeing them draw a blank against Crystal Palace.
Manager Lambert says he was pleased with the manner of the display as Villa controlled possession throughout the 90 minutes against the Eagles.
But the Villa boss wants his players to show more guile in front of goal in the coming weeks and months ahead.
He said: "We dominated from start to finish. But we failed to unlock their defence.
"They packed everyone behind the ball. It was tough to break them down.
"We tried - we had chances to do it.
"We had to get the goal and entice them out.
"They kept on probing. They kept on going. It's frustrating when you don't unlock the door.
"They had a back six at times. It's not easy to break that down. You have to be patient.
"But the way we're controlling the games at the moment is really pleasing.
"The name of the game is to score and we're getting chances. We have to take them when they do come.
"We have just got to take them to finish off the good play.
"We have to keep playing the way we're playing and keep dominating the ball. We are getting chances. It's not like we're not getting any opportunities. They are there.
"We just need one of the lads to fire it in.
"I think if we'd scored today, Palace would have come out a bit more and then you can maybe exploit their gaps but they defended very, very deep.
"We just needed that finishing touch."
Lambert revealed that skipper Ron Vlaar - withdrawn early in the first half - will have a scan on his injured knee on Friday.
The Villa boss will be waiting anxiously for news on his captain.
He added: "I am not 100% sure but he's thinking it could be the same sort of thing that he hurt in the World Cup. It's his knee.
"We will probably know more tomorrow. He will go for a scan. Hopefully it's not too bad.
"He thinks it might be similar to the one he had in Brazil. We will have to wait and see.
"I didn't want to bring Ciaran on but I thought him and Jores were excellent. I wanted to give Ciaran a break due to his back. But I thought he did ever so well when he came on."
Sometimes we are "we", sometimes we are "they" and sometimes we are "you". I suppose I should put that in the little things that annoy you thread but it really gets on my wick!
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The WTF do they do at Bodymoor Heath question has been asked for at least 2 seasons now and still nobody is any the wiser. Oh no, hang on, I think they may have sorted the who to throw the ball to at throw ins trick, but that's about it.
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We knew palace would get everyone behind the ball. Our squad is desperately poor in terms of creativity but we do have Cole and grealish. I was genuinely surprised that neither started. We didn't have one player starting who could beat a man, play a through ball. Playing possession football in these circumstances is leading to predictable results
And we now look much less able to count on our away form or ability to spring a surprise result against a top side
We just have to buy or loan at least one creative player this winter or the season will continue to be unbearable
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Fuck me, I'd rather put out a campfire with my face than sit through that shite again. I am absolutely fuming and I had a free ticket, god knows how those who paid must be feeling right now.
Gabby was shite but its not exactly playing to his strengths sticking him in attacking midfield with his back to goal is it? We are relying on two fullbacks to provide all of our crosses and Cissokho can barely kick it that far, Hutton is hit and miss. Weimann is a 'fox in the box' type of player who can never get in the box. Benteke needs decent balls into the box which we never provide because we aren't set up to do it. Is it any wonder we don't score?
You have to believe this squad is capable of scoring more goals combined than a single QPR player if only they had someone to organise them who had the slightest idea what they are doing.
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Palace playing 1 up front and 10 men behind the ball didn't help, but we were really poor. If any game needed a goal, it was that one. If it was still going on now, it would still be 0-0.
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Total and utter bilge. How much longer can Weimann get a start? He offers absolutely nothing.
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Two teams, one who came for a point. one whom had a point and anything else was a bonus.
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We really are rubbish aren't we?
I asked a question elsewhere of how many goals we scored in the McLeish season, 37 in the league apparently. Well we need 27 in 17 games to better that so looks unlikely.
Like many I'm becoming immune to this now, I'm sad to say. When I saw the full time score I just shrugged my shoulders.
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Pat Murphy summed it up perfectly on 5 Live, post match. He said Villa stank the place out again, and watching them is as painful as root canal surgery.
We're the most boring team in the league. Looking around during the second half and all you could sense was complete apathy. Nobody was surprised - we all expect this now.
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Pat Murphy summed it up perfectly on 5 Live, post match. He said Villa stank the place out again, and watching them is as painful as root canal surgery.
We're the most boring team in the league. Looking around during the second half and all you could sense was complete apathy. Nobody was surprised - we all expect this now.
Can't argue with that.
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Hearing Wenger and Moaniho is probably the only reason for us to watch MOTD tonight. Sad.
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Stat pack
Carlos Sanchez and Leandro Bacuna were the star men in the draw with Crystal Palace.
Sanchez and Bacuna did well in a number of categories when the stats were analysed on the final whistle.
Special mentions also to Christian Benteke, Jores Okore and Alan Hutton who also stood out with their post-match figures.
Benteke was join No.1 for shots with four in total and one on target alongside Bacuna. Hutton was No.3 with one in total and one on target. Gabby Agbonlahor was No.5 with two in total.
Sanchez was No.1 for passes with 100 successful from 117 in total. Bacuna was No.2 with 79 successful from 94 in total. Okore was No.3 with 62 successful from 66 in total. Tom Cleverley was No.4 with 46 successful from 53 in total. Ciaran Clark was No.5 with 44 successful from 49 in total.
Sanchez was No.1 for attacking third passes with 14 successful from 21 in total. Cleverley was No.2 with 14 successful from 17 in total. Benteke was No.5 with eight successful from 16 in total.
Bacuna was No.1 for chances created with three. Hutton was No.2 with two. Sanchez was No.4 with one.
Sanchez was No.3 for take-ons with two successful from two in total. Aly Cissokho was No.4 with one successful from six in total. Benteke was No.5 with one successful from three in total.
Sanchez was No.1 for ball recoveries with eight, alongside Bacuna.
Sanchez was No.1 for tackles with six successful from eight in total. Bacuna was No.2 with six successful from six in total.
Bacuna was No.1 for interceptions with three, alongside Okore and Hutton.
Sanchez was No.1 for blocks with one. Okore was No.3 for clearances with five successful from five in total.
Benteke was No.2 for aerial duels with five successful from seven in total. Hutton was No.4 with three successful from five in total.
Hutton was No.1 for fouls suffered with three.
Sanchez to Cleverley was No.1 pass combination with 21. Sanchez to Bacuna was No.2 with 19, along with Okore to Bacuna.
Bacuna to Sanchez was No.4 with 18 while No.5 was Sanchez to Cissokho with 14.
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Oh and any news on 'concrete' Ron...?
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Oh and any news on 'concrete' Ron...?
My guess is 7 games out.
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Will this football purgatory end?
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Oh and any news on 'concrete' Ron...?
My guess is 7 games out.
Anyone stupid to buy him, they can have him. He can't be relied on over a number of games.
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For some strange reason and the fact that I probably didn't drink enough last night. I went to Villa Park today. I have to say that I am anti Lambert and everything I have been reading and watching was true.
To set up a side today with two right backs to stop Bolasie was staggering in even his defensive mindset. Even more to start without Grealish or Cole sets his stall out.
Lets gets the facts straight from the start. Lambert has never played 433. He has pushed played forward early to gain reward, alas if it fails - retreat. Take today Gabby and Wiemann. These are two 'strikers' playing deep getting the ball and laying it off to who? The midfield who sit in a defensive bank of three waiting for Hutton and Cissoko to provide width.
The ball is played time and time again to Gabby & Wiemann and time and time again they play it back to the midfield stiffs. And on and on we go.
What if for one moment Gabby turns his man and creates a chance. He never does because he cant.
Today Benteke touched the ball 20/30 times. Given that a striker will convert 1/3 of chances.
Buy a winger for fuck sake.
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No more excuses. Lambert has to go. More fool Lerner for keeping him.
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No more excuses. Lambert has to go. More fool Lerner for keeping him.
I'm not sure Lerner will sack him even when he eventually relegates us.
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No more excuses. Lambert has to go. More fool Lerner for keeping him.
I'm not sure Lerner will sack him even when he eventually relegates us.
I'm not sure Lerner would sack him even if Lambert killed Lerner's entire family while wearing a Blues shirt and singing 'Keep Right On.'
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Can you believe that? On MOTD last. I cannot believe it. I am writing to the Head of BBC Sport.
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Agree with the point on Robinson, why can't he get any time? Must be pulling his hair out
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The way we play, I am going to start complaining to the BBC if we aren't on last!
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Can you believe that? On MOTD last. I cannot believe it. I am writing to the Head of BBC Sport.
And savage on to smear
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F**k 'em!
We should campaign for us to be the ONLY game on and let every other bugger suffer like we have to every week!
Entertainment? Goals? Success?
Watch this and suffer, you observers of "the football"!
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Highlight of the day was the half time challenge. I thought that guy had bad luck where the ball rolled right over the target and finished just outside
Is it me or is it a bit harsh they only get one attempt. Should get two at least, there's enough time for it.
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Highlight of the day was the half time challenge. I thought that guy had bad luck where the ball rolled right over the target and finished just outside
Is it me or is it a bit harsh they only get one attempt. Should get two at least, there's enough time for it.
I've yet to see anyone win.
It's like one of those stilted fairground games that you can never win at
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F**k 'em!
We should campaign for us to be the ONLY game on and let every other bugger suffer like we have to every week!
Entertainment? Goals? Success?
Watch this and suffer, you observers of "the football"!
All 90 minutes of it and then forced to walk in the rain for 15 minutes before you can watch any other football.
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F**k 'em!
We should campaign for us to be the ONLY game on and let every other bugger suffer like we have to every week!
Entertainment? Goals? Success?
Watch this and suffer, you observers of "the football"!
All 90 minutes of it and then forced to walk in the rain for 15 minutes before you can watch any other football.
And have to sit through more of the same shit 72 hours later. Happy new year!
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Hmmm pics of Tim Sherwood with seemingly Tom Fox at today's match popping up on twitter .
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Hmmm pics of Tim Sherwood with seemingly Tom Fox at today's match popping up on twitter .
Oh shit that really does sound like a Lerner idea
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They probably think he's related to robin hood
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What an awful performance. Lambert must be delighted we have a chairman as inept and incompetent as Randy Lerner.
These are dark days at Villa Park.
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Hmmm pics of Tim Sherwood with seemingly Tom Fox at today's match popping up on twitter .
Oh shit that really does sound like a Lerner idea
Sherwood has a win rate of over 50% from his stint with Spuds so there is no way Lerner would appoint him.
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I would take Sherwood.
People seem to cast him as this no nothing thick british coach because of some excitable interviews at Spurs but his record there was comparable to most of the managers they've had down there.
He's the sort who'd liven the place up again I reckon.
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I would take Sherwood.
People seem to cast him as this no nothing thick british coach because of some excitable interviews at Spurs but his record there was comparable to most of the managers they've had down there.
He's the sort who'd liven the place up again I reckon.
Wasn't he there about 6 months?!
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He'd want to play attractive football. Mind you, we were saying the same thing at the end of TSM hoping for Lambert to rescue us from our misery.
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We want to see our team score Paul
We have been patient enough
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With Sherwood as manager they were PL28 W14 D4 L10. 50.00% win rate.
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We really are rubbish aren't we?
I asked a question elsewhere of how many goals we scored in the McLeish season, 37 in the league apparently. Well we need 27 in 17 games to better that so looks unlikely.
We have 18 games left and we probably won't score 18 more goals this season let alone 27. In fact I can't see us scoring more than 14 more from now till May 24th.
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Doubt we'd be looking at him as manager.
But seeing as most of the managerial vacancies that would have interested him have now been taken, coming to us as a coach might be another short-term fix.
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The thing is we're 12th, but I don't think anyone watching us thinks we're playing to an acceptable level. Also the games against weaker sides are starting to run out now.
Lets see where we are after Leicester Chelsea arsenal Liverpool. All hard games with Liverpool probably the easiest
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If he was, I could see him being looked at as number 2 in a kind of you are having him like West Ham have with Sheringham
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Any change would be a welcome one.
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Hmmm pics of Tim Sherwood with seemingly Tom Fox at today's match popping up on twitter .
Jesus Fucking Christ.
On the bright side, mind, if we were chatting up a successor to Lambert (and I fucking hope we are), even our leadership aren't dim enough to do it at one of our games with the current boss still in charge.
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Maybe Sherwood is the new no.2
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Lambert's going nowhere until Lerner goes. He's keeping us in the PL, whilst spending stays restricted, as per Randy's remit.
Fox has been appointed to increase revenue. Quite how he's going to manage that, whilst we continue to confirm our status as the dullest team on the planet, I have no idea. Only mugs like me will their invest time or money in watching the shite being sold as entertainment.
We've had nearly 3 years of Lambert & suddenly, mis-season he has an epiphany to play possession football. That confirms to me that he is nothing more than a chancer, simply making it up as he goes along. In truth it doesn't matter how we play, we have no creativity, width or goal threat (other than Benteke) & until that is addressed nothing will change.
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We've had nearly 3 years of Lambert & suddenly, mis-season he has an epiphany to play possession football. That confirms to me that he is nothing more than a chancer, simply making it up as he goes along.
I can't remember the last time I agreed with someone on something as much as I do with that. Absolutely spot on.
The bloke is a total fucking chancer. We're now playing this "new" possession game, and every time I look at the OS there is a player talking about it, our "new style", it looks like someone has told him he has at least got to try.
What annoys me is that this, our "new" way of playing, basically confirms that the "old" way of playing - hardly ever having the ball, lumping it brainlessly at the space where either Benteke should be, or would be if he wasn't injured - was actually something that he wanted us to do.
That is utterly shocking.
Until about three weeks ago when we started having loads of possession (mostly in our own half and on the halfway line), Lambert kept saying "I don't believe in stats, I don't pay attention to them", only now we're not registering 25% - 30% possession against pretty much any team who can muster up 11 able bodied men, he can't fucking stop talking about it.
I honestly think the bloke is a shyster, a total chancer, just fucking winging it, telling the owner exactly what he wants to hear.
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It's probably also why he doesn't feel the need to appoint an Assistant Manager who will want to point out his flaws and reveal him for what he is.
This is a fucking Premier League football club and we don't have an Assistant Manager. Not a club in League 2 who maybe can't afford one and makes do with a bunch of coaches. We are meant to be playing as one of the elite few and are being operated as any but. There are people in the game that could help him if he wanted it. Not only has he chosen not to accept help he steadfastly believes everything is fine and it is us who are the ones that need help.
Is there not a talk show we can get him on so the host can call him out, or an intervention we can hold for him?
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Maybe Sherwood is the new no.2
Bloody hell. Oh well, it could be worse I suppose.
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Fox needs to somehow wrestle power away from Lambert. Lerner needs to back him. He didn't back Faulkner and he walked and we are still left with Lambert. At what point does Fox reach the tipping point?
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Lambert's going nowhere until Lerner goes. He's keeping us in the PL, whilst spending stays restricted, as per Randy's remit.
Fox has been appointed to increase revenue. Quite how he's going to manage that, whilst we continue to confirm our status as the dullest team on the planet, I have no idea. Only mugs like me will their invest time or money in watching the shite being sold as entertainment.
We've had nearly 3 years of Lambert & suddenly, mis-season he has an epiphany to play possession football. That confirms to me that he is nothing more than a chancer, simply making it up as he goes along. In truth it doesn't matter how we play, we have no creativity, width or goal threat (other than Benteke) & until that is addressed nothing will change.
Being at the game today, it is obvious to see the way Lambert has them set up isn't going to work. All we did was get the ball to Sanchez, who then played it sideways to Bacuna or Cleverley and then they passed it sideways to the full back. The full backs are totally isolated and are forced to either pass sideways or back to the defenders. While all this is happening, Weimann, Benteke and Agbonlahor are stood motionless up front just watching it all unfold.
It was clear that's all we were doing, yet Lambert waited over 20 minutes into the second half to make a change. Even then he put a young kid on on the pitch out of position because he doesn't seem to have an idea of how to utilise him properly. We've seen this script unfold at Villa Park so many times before under Lambert and the only surprise was that Palace didn't nick a goal at the end. I guess that was down in part to the defence, who along with Sanchez were the only real ones to come out with any credit. Okore (who was my MOTM) looks a real talent and it is an encouraging sign that the early departure of Porcelain Ron (who I think we might have seen for the last time in a Villa shirt) no longer results in a collective feeling of dread.
It's quite clear to me that Lambert has taken this team as far as he can and now should be the time to make a change. I reckon we could well be looking at a sub 20,000 crowd on Sunday.
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just got back in terrible game again, anyone who thinks lambert can solve our problems is deluded is part of gthe problem, the man hasn't got a clue. It was a abysymal to watch, we are definitely on for a record lowest goals scored. He is a coward. I seriously hope he is sacked in the next couple of dys to give us hope. We have some really decent players. Delph, Sanchez, Vlaar, Hutton, Guzan okore, Benteke but apparently we arent' good enough to score a goal a game, Bullshitl its the coward of a manager who makes us play so inhibited. Im pissed off tonight.
Up the villa.
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Paulie and John2710 your both both spot on with what you say!
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One of Lambert's only valid points post-match was that if we had scored in the first half then it would have forced Palace to come out and play and opened the game up - so if Hutton's chance had gone in then I think we would have won by a couple.
But it's ridiculous to rely on that and the goal scoring record so far shows we have no idea how to break teams down. No width and no ability to get in behind them. It's so sad to see Gabby almost playing as a central midfielder, think back to when he was so effective playing off Carew and running into space where he could hurt defences, but now his strengths are being wasted. Benteke only got the ball where he got instantly crowded out (Palace consistently had 6 men behind the ball when we got near the area), and no one in the midfield was able to pass the ball through their back line. I don't think Benteke got the chance to head the ball once and neither of our other two 'strikers' had a hint of a chance.
Lambert defended himself by saying there were lots of attacking players on the pitch so we should be able to score, as if it's just up to them, but clearly the system is not allowing them to play to their strengths. There is no real pattern to the play and seemingly no ideas when we're in the opposition half.
Second half of Lambert's first season I thought we played some exciting, creative and direct football - sadly it's been downhill since then. I don't dislike the guy and I've been desperate for him to succeed, but I've seen few signs of improvement. Then again, the questin is, if he goes, who do we get in to improve us? Lerner's record of managerial appointments isn't exactly great...
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Welcome Fabio. Good post.
I would go even further in my charge of Lambert being a chancer. Not only does he make it up as he goes along, he does not actually believe in the changes he makes.
He is like a wife who has put on a lot of weight and knows her husband's eye is roving. So she forces herself into clothes that make her look like a pig in Lycra instead of going on a diet.
The aspect of our current attempts to play a possession game that anger me most is that Lambert simply thinks it is like flicking a switch. To play possession football you must have the ability to turn a holding position into a goal threat. We can't do that because we have no creativity. We know the notes but we don't know the tune. At some point we have to play the killer through ball or get behind the defenders. If you can't do that you will not score goals. QED.
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One of Lambert's only valid points post-match was that if we had scored in the first half then it would have forced Palace to come out and play and opened the game up - so if Hutton's chance had gone in then I think we would have won by a couple.
But it's ridiculous to rely on that and the goal scoring record so far shows we have no idea how to break teams down.
Yes its ridiculous
What would have happened if bolaise hadn't had his Rosenthal moment .
We haven't been able to break down teams in years we have been crying out for some creativity for years but this muppet keeps playing andi and gabby while
Cleverly is just Westwood , he's about creative as a tortoise.
He's had enough transfer windows to sort this out .
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It's very simple with Lambert. His brief is to keep us in the Premier League. Whatever drab, tedious, soul-crushing method he can stumble upon to do that, then that's what we'll continue with. At the moment he thinks he's found a way of not losing. That's like winning the Euromillions jackpot to Lambert. He doesn't want any assistant coming in and interfering with that. But just wait until we have to play someone good again.
The words 'entertainment' and 'Aston Villa' don't belong in the same library. It's all about protecting Lerner's investment until he can get the hell out. But he can't, because nobody wants to buy the world's most boring and pointless top-flight football club - which he himself created.
Lambert is the safest manager in the league, because Lerner is the stupidest owner in the league. He bought us on a whim like an excercise bike in the January sales. First he installed it in the living room in front of the telly, used it every day, but now he can't arsed and it's out in the garden getting rusty and falling apart.
The only way it's going to get better in the long term is if it gets worse in the short term. That's what I'm dreading. Because it's either going to take some of the worst results in our history to get Lambert sacked, or the fans are going to have to take action. Knowing our current apathetic state, it's going to have to be the former before we can see Lambert gone. And Christ, I want him gone. It's a nightmare scenario.
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About twenty minutes into the first half I had a feeling that I had seen this home game before and not just under Lambert.
I like that we try and keep the ball, but Lambert seems to be proving last seasons argument about possession being a largely irrelevant statistic. We had 74% of the ball first half and fashioned two chances, the best one from our most direct and dynamic player, who is a full back, which says a lot.
Second half we had 69% of it and I can't really recall a nailed on chance.
The problems, as far as I see it, are two fold; shape and personnel. Time and again we play a flat three across the middle and it does not work from an attacking perspective. When somebody is sitting as deep as Palace, you need to be able to move he ball quickly so as to create space and you won't do that with three midfielders strung in a line. Why wasn't Bacuna pushed in front of Cleverley and Sanchez? Where he could get closer to the box and the forwards? Where he could utilise the space behind the massed Palace midfield, instead of being stuck out in a line in front of them.
Gabby and Weimann are the other problems. They don't create, they don't move and they don't offer anything. I have been struggling for a long time to understand where Gabby is supposed to be playing or what he is supposed to be doing. Weimann is a striker in the traditional sense. He has no business being anywhere but the 18 yard box and offers nothing. Why we persist with these two or on occasions three with N'Zogbia, goes a long way to explaining the 11/20 statistic.
We won't improve going forwards till we add some risk offensively to our play.
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When was the last time we saw even one of our midfielders bomb on in advance of the forwards?
Its all in the coaching.
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It's pretty obvious that the 'STYLE' offensive is trying to take a page out of West Ham's book this season. The one obvious flaw being that they bought players to contribute to the system and also employed an attacking coach. Lambert is a chancer and out of his depth. I feel for Callum Robinson, brought back for nothing and even cup-tied for Sunday. He must bevan frustrated as f##k.
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The possession was nice to see but we were so lacking in ambition it was untrue, we didnt get players forward anything like quickly enough and the movement ahead of the ball was never troubling to a well organised, dull, Palace side. It seemed obvious to all around that we needed to commit midfielders to support the full backs high up the field and get crosses in from beyond the eighteen yard box but it just never happened. For all the possession, Palace were just as likely winners.
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You can see that Ads, I can see that, we all can see that. The one who matters can't or won't see it and he is as safe as a bed bug on a London bus.
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2 years on from that Bradford City shambles and no sign of any progress.
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We need to improve our striking options, all three of them had poor games yesterday. Benteke is starting to worry me, he spends more time moaning and berating others than he does trying to find space then when he gets a relatively simple chance from the pull back in the second half he balloons it. Delph might have made a difference as he does run at teams but we always seem to be looking to that one unavailable player as the answer.
On a positive note we do look well organised and solid up until the final third and are passing the ball much more and that is with a number of players missing. However, that in itself is not going to win you many friends unless a cutting edge can be found.
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I frankly couldn't give a stuff about possession or stats for that matter. The idea of football,when it was invented, is to get that round leather
object into the opposing teams net more often than they get it into yours.
As others have pointed out we have some good players . But we are sadly lacking in creativity in the middle of the park and support for the
the big man up front. He knows he is expected to do all the work up front and gives the impression that he is not happy doing it. He could try a little harder but why should he? Both of his support forwards are so lacking in technical skill and brainpower it must seem a wasted exercise battling away without any hope of getting any result from your efforts.
But we know all this, it is repeated on the match thread more or less after every match. Matters could improve if Mr Lambert decided to move on, but he shows no sign of doing this. Matters could improve if the club owner found a buyer for a club he does not want to be a part of. But he has failed to attract a suitable investor.
Its exactly the same as 1968. Different eras but exactly the same in terms of very poor leadership from the people that run the club.
Any hope that vibrant Doug and The Doc figures will appear and revitalise this ailing club?
None at all as far as I can see.
As Fred Rinder said. 'Only the best for Aston Villa'. He must be turning in his grave.
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Watching some of the other team's football on motd really showed up how poor we were yesterday. The other games were full of flowing football, chances end to end and clever running off the ball. The only players who run off the ball for us are the full backs. It was horrible to watch.
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It's very simple with Lambert. His brief is to keep us in the Premier League. Whatever drab, tedious, soul-crushing method he can stumble upon to do that, then that's what we'll continue with. At the moment he thinks he's found a way of not losing. That's like winning the Euromillions jackpot to Lambert. He doesn't want any assistant coming in and interfering with that. But just wait until we have to play someone good again.
The words 'entertainment' and 'Aston Villa' don't belong in the same library. It's all about protecting Lerner's investment until he can get the hell out. But he can't, because nobody wants to buy the world's most boring and pointless top-flight football club - which he himself created.
Lambert is the safest manager in the league, because Lerner is the stupidest owner in the league. He bought us on a whim like an excercise bike in the January sales. First he installed it in the living room in front of the telly, used it every day, but now he can't arsed and it's out in the garden getting rusty and falling apart.
The only way it's going to get better in the long term is if it gets worse in the short term. That's what I'm dreading. Because it's either going to take some of the worst results in our history to get Lambert sacked, or the fans are going to have to take action. Knowing our current apathetic state, it's going to have to be the former before we can see Lambert gone. And Christ, I want him gone. It's a nightmare scenario.
Great analogy, Villa a rusty exercise bike ! It's heart breaking for the fans to see the club disintegrating at what seems an increasing rate.
There sees to me, a slight similarity of Lerner with Ashley at Newcastle where the owner is happy with mid table safety. Unfortunately Lerner hasn't got Ashley's hard nosed business nous and is hardly ever present at B6.
Lambert's sudden discovery about passing football will only work with players who can move the ball quickly and there's no sign of that, is this lack of creativity, lack of being able to think quickly enough or lack of fitness or just a manager who is unable to motivate his players?
I fear we will be struggling to keep out of the bottom three this season.
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It really is shaping up for another scrap down at the bottom. I reckon there may well be a few potential buyers out there hoping that we get relegated so that they can pick up a bargain... What a depressing thought.
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It's probably also why he doesn't feel the need to appoint an Assistant Manager who will want to point out his flaws and reveal him for what he is.
This is a fucking Premier League football club and we don't have an Assistant Manager. Not a club in League 2 who maybe can't afford one and makes do with a bunch of coaches. We are meant to be playing as one of the elite few and are being operated as any but. There are people in the game that could help him if he wanted it. Not only has he chosen not to accept help he steadfastly believes everything is fine and it is us who are the ones that need help.
Is there not a talk show we can get him on so the host can call him out, or an intervention we can hold for him?
Quoting from a few pages back so might have been mentioned since but I'd fucking love us to have no assistant and a bunch of coaches, that way we might look coached.
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/FirstTeam/0,,10265,00.html
Look at the coaches listed at the bottom, there's Lambert then a defensive coach, a health coach, 2 strength and conditioning coaches and a physio (there's also the club wide GK coach who's not listed). To me that looks like a coaching team where the best you can expect is a side that's solid and structured at the back and generally work hard but don't really work on anything going forward, which is exactly what we have. Lambert should be sacked for not having a suitable backroom staff in place after 3 years and with seemingly no interest in doing anything about it. Add a coach or 2 to work on the attacking elements of the game and I'd put money on us improving massively in a matter of weeks, the players are capable of more but we're doing fuck all to help them make the most of their talent, that's why most of our attacking players have stood still or gone backwards for 3 years.
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Benteke is starting to worry me, he spends more time moaning and berating others than he does trying to find space then when he gets a relatively simple chance from the pull back in the second half he balloons it.
Yes. He has now become part of the problem whereas the expectation from both coaching staff and fans is that he should be the solution.
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When you say coaching staff Olaftab, I guess you mean the manager?
Remember, we no longer need a coach/assistant. Having one is sooooo 2014, darling!
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Benteke is starting to worry me, he spends more time moaning and berating others than he does trying to find space then when he gets a relatively simple chance from the pull back in the second half he balloons it.
Yes. He has now become part of the problem whereas the expectation from both coaching staff and fans is that he should be the solution.
I think deep down he's realised he made a mistake with the new contract, Lambert has a potentially world class striker on his hands but has done nothing to help make the most of him, 18 months as a target for long balls followed by a month of standing by watching the ball crab backwards and forwards across midfield before being punted in his general direction, he just looks like he knows it's all on him and he's fed up of it.
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Benteke is starting to worry me, he spends more time moaning and berating others than he does trying to find space then when he gets a relatively simple chance from the pull back in the second half he balloons it.
Yes. He has now become part of the problem whereas the expectation from both coaching staff and fans is that he should be the solution.
Yet we can't expect him to score goals like the ones against Palace and Man Utd every game. There's other players on the pitch who need to chip in. When teams start relying on one player, they tend to be in trouble by the end of the season.
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You mean in trouble like Spurs with Harry Kane?
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When you say coaching staff Olaftab, I guess you mean the manager?
Remember, we no longer need a coach/assistant. Having one is sooooo 2014, darling!
Yes I meant Jose Lambert!
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You mean in trouble like Spurs with Harry Kane?
He's only scored 4 in the league though (i think, i stand correct on that though). Four different players scored for them yesterday and they've got players like Eriksen who can win a game for them.
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. Only mugs like me will their invest time or money in watching the shite being sold as entertainment.
... I reckon we could well be looking at a sub 20,000 crowd on Sunday.
I reckon we'll e nearer 10,000. I always go to the cheaper cup games and can't bring myself to travel this time.
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. Only mugs like me will their invest time or money in watching the shite being sold as entertainment.
... I reckon we could well be looking at a sub 20,000 crowd on Sunday.
I reckon we'll be nearer 10,000. I always go to the cheaper cup games and can't bring myself to travel this time.
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Fortunately for Harry Kane he doesn't have to spend vast portions of the game with his back to goal watching the most laborious build up, with organised defenders glued to his arse, fully knowing that by the time the ball reaches the area we don't have the twinkle toed, intricate passers to penetrate.
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It doesn't really matter what system we play, we have neither the players nor the coaching skills available to make any of it work.
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It doesn't really matter what system we play, we have neither the players nor the coaching skills available to make any of it work.
I think we do have the players.
It's down to Lambert and his game plans.
Nobody ever runs beyond Benteke.
Nobody ever looks for the pass inside the opposition fullback for Hutton or Cisokho to run onto.
Nobody ever makes a run down the line when our fullback cuts inside.
Why?
Because that's putting our players our of position if the move breaks down.
He's so scared of losing, he's scared to try and win.
By default he's giving the players a vote of no confidence, by not allowing them to attack. How motivating must that be.
It's taken him 2 years to shake off that first Christmas and trust the team to hold onto some form of possession. We can't wait another 2 years for him to decide it's worth having a go occasionally.
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It doesn't really matter what system we play, we have neither the players nor the coaching skills available to make any of it work.
We have some players who are good enough, but the coaching and motivational skills from the player management are missing and until Lambert does something about it or better still goes it'll remain the same.
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It doesn't really matter what system we play, we have neither the players nor the coaching skills available to make any of it work.
I think we do have the players.
It's down to Lambert and his game plans.
Nobody ever runs beyond Benteke.
Nobody ever looks for the pass inside the opposition fullback for Hutton or Cisokho to run onto.
Nobody ever makes a run down the line when our fullback cuts inside.
Why?
Because that's putting our players our of position if the move breaks down.
He's so scared of losing, he's scared to try and win.
By default he's giving the players a vote of no confidence, by not allowing them to attack. How motivating must that be.
You have just described McLeish there, the man Lambert was brought in to replace because of the lack of "compelling football". The current football is about as compelling as Ebola, yet whereas McLeish was sacked after only 1 season, Lambert is backed for several seasons and given a long term contract. It really doesn't make any sense does it?
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Nobody will convince me that Gabby, Weimann or N'Zogbia are anywhere near good enough. When you see someone like Robbie Keane play you realise just how limited these players are. They have neither the football intelligence, speed of thought or the technique to play at this level.
Added to this Lamberts tactics only expose the limitations of these players.
Yesterday was crying out for someone like Joe Cole to start, it might not have worked but it would have shown that Lambert knew what was needed to open up the Palace defence. The fact he did not put him on until the 82nd minute shows how clueless he is.
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It doesn't really matter what system we play, we have neither the players nor the coaching skills available to make any of it work.
I think we do have the players.
It's down to Lambert and his game plans.
Nobody ever runs beyond Benteke.
Nobody ever looks for the pass inside the opposition fullback for Hutton or Cisokho to run onto.
Nobody ever makes a run down the line when our fullback cuts inside.
Why?
Because that's putting our players our of position if the move breaks down.
He's so scared of losing, he's scared to try and win.
By default he's giving the players a vote of no confidence, by not allowing them to attack. How motivating must that be.
It's taken him 2 years to shake off that first Christmas and trust the team to hold onto some form of possession. We can't wait another 2 years for him to decide it's worth having a go occasionally.
Absolutely spot on.
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It is slightly worrying, though, that we don't seem to have any players (bar Grealish, maybe) who can see how a game is going and try to change it. Someone who might think, "Sod it, I'm going to try something here," instead of "Who can I pass sideways to?"
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It is slightly worrying, though, that we don't seem to have any players (bar Grealish, maybe) who can see how a game is going and try to change it. Someone who might think, "Sod it, I'm going to try something here," instead of "Who can I pass sideways to?"
That's the McLeishian approach to the game in a nutshell. Coahc the team to defend and hope that someone up front does something magic. Right now Lambert seems to have the same appraoch but has decided he doesn't believe in magic.
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I think a few on here see young Grealish as the next coming. No doubt he has some skill say compared to Weimann, Agbonlahor,Westwood and Cleverley but unless he puts some weight on he will not cope at the top level. Man Utd managed to fill out Dea succesfully and that's
what we need to do with Jack. Otherwise he will become another Stephen Cooke and drift off the scene.
He is just another promising kid as far as I'm concerned at this present time.
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Thinking about it (although I didn't mind too much at the time) I'm surprised we let Robinson play for Preston in the Cup. A fresh face alongside Benteke on Sunday would have been a nice idea.
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I didn't realize that Robinson was cup tied. Another fuck up.
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I didn't realize that Robinson was cup tied. Another fuck up.
More mis-management from the Clueless One
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I didn't realize that Robinson was cup tied. Another fuck up.
More mis-management from the Clueless One
I suspect the original plan was to keep Robbo out all season, but it then became clear Darren Bent couldn't be arsed. That said we've brought Robinson back and not used him. He's got pace he could have had an impact in games, particularly when he first came back having had a good run of form. Now that'll be a distant memory and I imagine some of that confidence will have worn off.
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Nobody will convince me that Gabby, Weimann or N'Zogbia are anywhere near good enough. When you see someone like Robbie Keane play you realise just how limited these players are. They have neither the football intelligence, speed of thought or the technique to play at this level.
Added to this Lamberts tactics only expose the limitations of these players.
Yesterday was crying out for someone like Joe Cole to start, it might not have worked but it would have shown that Lambert knew what was needed to open up the Palace defence. The fact he did not put him on until the 82nd minute shows how clueless he is.
Completely agree - our ''forwards'' are so immobile. There is often 20 to 30 yards between our players, holes that a forward could drop in to, a channel that a forward could run into to give the defence an 'out' ball but what do they do - they hide behind defenders.
Gabby is the biggest culprit for that , he just dawdles around - never moves before a ball is played, just reacts and his pace used to get him into position - got a big fat 4 year contract after scoring at Anfield - and has done nothing since.
Endured match of the day today - couldn't be arsed to stay up until 2016 for the Villa game to be on last again - and purposely watched the other teams front players - they make our lot look like statues.
They didn't used to play like that, remember Benteke's back heel to Wiemann at Anfield - a goal brought about by movement and touch. It has been coached out of them by this clueless, mumbling buffoon.
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I think a few on here see young Grealish as the next coming. No doubt he has some skill say compared to Weimann, Agbonlahor,Westwood and Cleverley but unless he puts some weight on he will not cope at the top level. Man Utd managed to fill out Dea succesfully and that's
what we need to do with Jack. Otherwise he will become another Stephen Cooke and drift off the scene.
He is just another promising kid as far as I'm concerned at this present time.
comparing a light weight goalkeeper with a light weight attacking midfielder isn't really fair. What Grealish needs to do is look at the likes of Xavi and Iniesta, both are small and fairly weak but both have a great knack of forcing defenders to go through them to get to the ball, the defener does it and they get a free kick, the defender backs of and they use their skill to make the most of the space. For me Grealish is showing that he can take the kicks and keep going, now he needs to make sure that when someone does kick him it's a clear foul, that's when defenders will start showing him a bit more respect and he'll start to be able to get time on the ball. He's a very impressive talent though, a goal or 2 or a couple of assists to show himself that he belongs is the next step in his development, the sooner they come the better, which is why i'd have started him in 1 of the last 2 games, he needs more than 20minute cameos now.
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I think a few on here see young Grealish as the next coming. No doubt he has some skill say compared to Weimann, Agbonlahor,Westwood and Cleverley but unless he puts some weight on he will not cope at the top level. Man Utd managed to fill out Dea succesfully and that's
what we need to do with Jack. Otherwise he will become another Stephen Cooke and drift off the scene.
He is just another promising kid as far as I'm concerned at this present time.
Sure, you can't say he's going to be top class yet but by the same token, you can't potentially write him off either - because he hasn't been given enough of a chance to show us either way. You'd understand it if form players were keeping him out, but it's nowhere near being the case.
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You mean in trouble like Spurs with Harry Kane?
He's only scored 4 in the league though (i think, i stand correct on that though). Four different players scored for them yesterday and they've got players like Eriksen who can win a game for them.
Yes Spurs do have some very good players but they were going nowhere till Kane started mixing things up.
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I think a few on here see young Grealish as the next coming. No doubt he has some skill say compared to Weimann, Agbonlahor,Westwood and Cleverley but unless he puts some weight on he will not cope at the top level. Man Utd managed to fill out Dea succesfully and that's
what we need to do with Jack. Otherwise he will become another Stephen Cooke and drift off the scene.
He is just another promising kid as far as I'm concerned at this present time.
Sure, you can't say he's going to be top class yet but by the same token, you can't potentially write him off either - because he hasn't been given enough of a chance to show us either way. You'd understand it if form players were keeping him out, but it's nowhere near being the case.
He wins a lot of freekicks. He might not win as many if he puts on too much weight. I'd want to treat him more like a Silva or Carzola. Granted he's not gonna reach those levels, but he could be the equivilant for our level.
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He wins a lot of freekicks. He might not win as many if he puts on too much weight. I'd want to treat him more like a Silva or Carzola. Granted he's not gonna reach those levels, but he could be the equivilant for our level.
Why is it granted that he is not going reach that level?
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He wins a lot of freekicks. He might not win as many if he puts on too much weight. I'd want to treat him more like a Silva or Carzola. Granted he's not gonna reach those levels, but he could be the equivilant for our level.
Why is it granted that he is not going reach that level?
He could become even better. Who would have guessed how good Bale was going to be?
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He wins a lot of freekicks. He might not win as many if he puts on too much weight. I'd want to treat him more like a Silva or Carzola. Granted he's not gonna reach those levels, but he could be the equivilant for our level.
Why is it granted that he is not going reach that level?
I think he's going to be very good. I would think he'll be very lucky indeed to reach the heights of a player like Silva as an example. It might happen, but...probably not. If he can have as much of an impact as Young or Milner he'll have done very well indeed.
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He wins a lot of freekicks. He might not win as many if he puts on too much weight. I'd want to treat him more like a Silva or Carzola. Granted he's not gonna reach those levels, but he could be the equivilant for our level.
Why is it granted that he is not going reach that level?
He could become even better. Who would have guessed how good Bale was going to be?
That's a good point to be fair.
That said if he plays too much longer under Lambert, he's got no chance.
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You mean in trouble like Spurs with Harry Kane?
He's only scored 4 in the league though (i think, i stand correct on that though). Four different players scored for them yesterday and they've got players like Eriksen who can win a game for them.
Yes Spurs do have some very good players but they were going nowhere till Kane started mixing things up.
7 goals and 5 assists in 10 starts and a few sub appearances. Or to put it another way, he's been involved in scoring/creating more league goals than Aston Villa this season. All but 1 assist are since he scored against us 2 months ago.
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I think Grealish has the potential to write his name in the Villa hall of fame.
Old git alert.
I was lucky enough to see Wilf Mannion play and he had the same flat footed glide as Jack. Wilf held his arms wide almost like he was walking a highwire and his hands drooped like he was trying to fly on broken wings. He went through defences like a knife through butter.
Lambert does not have the originality to put on an impact player like Grealish at the start of a game and make the impact early. Go at a team who come to pack their penalty box full tilt for the first twenty minutes and get the goal that makes them have to come out and play. Impact in the last twenty minutes too often becomes, especially with Lambert in Bradford mode, the attempted storming of Rourke's Drift.
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Brian, i'm sure you've said recently that you didn't think Grealish would make it?
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Grealish is one of a very few reasons to smile, amongst a blanket of Lambert induced mediocrity and tedium.
Give the kid a chance, it is not as if we have an abundance of flair in the team is it?
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I have changed my mind. I don't think I ever said he would not make it but I did say I had reservations about him and his maturity. The last twenty minutes against Sunderland were electrifying and should have netted us at least two goals. Then again yesterday he could have turned the game. I am also on record as saying Benteke is the best centre forward I have ever seen in a Villa shirt. If he carries on acting the goat I may well change my mind about him.
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I do have reservations about Grealish, he looks like a young kid playing with his big brothers. Coming on for 20 minutes against tiring defenders is not the same as starting a game. That said, unless he is given the chance we cannot tell how he will cope so I think he needs to play this weekend.
However, Villa fans booing Barry Bannan yesterday should act as a cautionary tale for those expecting the world.
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To be fair Chris I think those of us applauding Barry considerably outnumbered the compulsive booers.
During the game I was also struck by the number of into touch or to the opposition Hollywood passes Sanchez made. When Barry Bannan did that he received torrents of abuse, when Sanchez does it he gets MOTM (quite wrongly I thought because Jores Okore deserved it far more).
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To be fair Chris I think those of us applauding Barry considerably outnumbered the compulsive booers.
During the game I was also struck by the number of into touch or to the opposition Hollywood passes Sanchez made. When Barry Bannan did that he received torrents of abuse, when Sanchez does it he gets MOTM (quite wrongly I thought because Jores Okore deserved it far more).
I think the difference is that Sanchez is always there as an option. Bannan tended to go missing in games. I'd still have wee Barry over Cleverley any day of the week in fairness. I think Carlos had over 100 touches yesterday and over 90% pass success. So he doesn't waste it much. I do agree there was a tendency to exaggerate Bannan's Hollywood passes though. He wasn't that bad, and at the very least was trying to mix things up and show some urgency. Of course there's also about a foot difference between the two which is another factor I suppose. Wee Barry couldn't tackle a fish supper, and Carlos wins a lot of aerial duels.
I'll be interested to see if Pardew fancies Scottish Messi when he arrives. Pardew tends to want to play a more measured brand than Pulis and Warnock.
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I wish Barry Bannan good fortune whatever his future. I feel the same about him as I did about Steven Davis and Peter Whittingham. In substantial measure blamed for collective and managerial failings.
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Any dislike I have for Bannan is based on him being a drink driving twat. Especially for doing a runner after the accident. As a player I wish him no ill will. Like many players over the years he just wasn't good enough.
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I was watching soccer Thursday earlier, they were saying we're drifting along and the only place were goin is down, hard to disagree
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon, and for the rest of your life.
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Any dislike I have for Bannan is based on him being a drink driving twat. Especially for doing a runner after the accident. As a player I wish him no ill will. Like many players over the years he just wasn't good enough.
Too right, I wouldn't have booed him, he doesn't really figure much more than other failed youngster we've had.
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I agree one hundred percent that there is no excuse whatsoever for drink driving let alone leaving the scene. For what it is worth I do not approve of drunkenness in any form but my comments were purely football related. I do not expect to be agreed with but I think when a person has been punished for a crime they are entitled to the same treatment as those like so many of us who have done stupid things in our lives and strive to make amends. For what it is worth an American bishop is currently charged with hit and run driving. I have no doubt she will be prayed for and be allowed to resume her Episcopalian duties almost as some sort of role model. Sorry to ramble, it is an age thing.
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Any dislike I have for Bannan is based on him being a drink driving twat. Especially for doing a runner after the accident. As a player I wish him no ill will. Like many players over the years he just wasn't good enough.
Too right, I wouldn't have booed him, he doesn't really figure much more than other failed youngster we've had.
Was he booed? Thats a shame. Bannan never did anything less than bust a gut for us. Just not a good enough player, sadly. See the long list of our academy great white hopes who never worked out.
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There was a smattering of boos when he first came on. Nothing really to write home about.
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Well not good but not too bad. The lad doesn't deserve the "full downing". Nowhere near it in fact.
I was pleased to see Albrighton applauded for example.
Sorry for typos. 2 am here and rum drunk :)
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Was he booed? Thats a shame. Bannan never did anything less than bust a gut for us. Just not a good enough player, sadly. See the long list of our academy great white hopes who never worked out.
Yes. At least from a few around me. A chap sitting behind me booed so I made a point of applauding him loudly. When it died down the young lad with the booing fella asked as to why he was booing Bannan and, I assume his Dad, said because he used to play for us and we boo them when they come back here. Quite pathetic really.
I can understand booing those who left us by making a choice that they are going to better teams but there is no need to boo those that we let go especially our youngsters.
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Well good job for you applauding him. Real shame he got booed by others. Doesn't deserve it.
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I think Palace will go down. I have seem them in a 180 minutes against us create one chance and also look abysmal against Sunderland too.
Bolasie is hilariously poor and completely stealing a living.
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I think Palace will go down. I have seem them in a 180 minutes against us create one chance and also look abysmal against Sunderland too.
Bolasie is hilariously poor and completely stealing a living.
I think hilariously poor is a bit harsh. I've seen a lot worse.
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If he wasn't quick he wouldn't be playing professional football.
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I don't think I've ever seen a player look as threatening in possession while having absolutely no end product as Bolasie. Having said that, and unfortunately for Palace, Wilfred Zaha runs him pretty close. The first thing Pardew needs to is get Jason Puncheon in the team ahead of one of those.
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I think Palace will go down. I have seem them in a 180 minutes against us create one chance and also look abysmal against Sunderland too.
Bolasie is hilariously poor and completely stealing a living.
Them, QPR and Everton are the worst teams I have seen playing this season.
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I think Palace will go down. I have seem them in a 180 minutes against us create one chance and also look abysmal against Sunderland too.
Bolasie is hilariously poor and completely stealing a living.
Them, QPR and Everton are the worst teams I have seen playing this season.
Who we comfortably lost 2-0 and 3-0 against
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I think Palace will go down. I have seem them in a 180 minutes against us create one chance and also look abysmal against Sunderland too.
Bolasie is hilariously poor and completely stealing a living.
Them, QPR and Everton are the worst teams I have seen playing this season.
Who we comfortably lost 2-0 and 3-0 against
lol true. But still, those three are playing the crappiest football in my eyes. And yes I watch us as well :)
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I think Palace will go down. I have seem them in a 180 minutes against us create one chance and also look abysmal against Sunderland too.
Bolasie is hilariously poor and completely stealing a living.
Them, QPR and Everton are the worst teams I have seen playing this season.
Who we comfortably lost 2-0 and 3-0 against
Just out of interest is there anything you can't turn into a moan?
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I think Palace will go down. I have seem them in a 180 minutes against us create one chance and also look abysmal against Sunderland too.
Bolasie is hilariously poor and completely stealing a living.
Them, QPR and Everton are the worst teams I have seen playing this season.
Who we comfortably lost 2-0 and 3-0 against
Just out of interest is there anything you can't turn into a moan?
Point taken. Sorry just stating facts.
I am bigging up Birmingham over in the Birmingham news thread. ;)
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Dave, do you ever come on any thread not to give somebody a pull?
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I have changed my mind. I don't think I ever said he would not make it but I did say I had reservations about him and his maturity. The last twenty minutes against Sunderland were electrifying and should have netted us at least two goals. Then again yesterday he could have turned the game. I am also on record as saying Benteke is the best centre forward I have ever seen in a Villa shirt. If he carries on acting the goat I may well change my mind about him.
Well you said he was too half soaked to be a superstar and that he was massively overhyped and looks completely out of his depth at this level.
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Dave, do you ever come on any thread not to give somebody a pull?
Plenty, but I thought it was mildly amusing that one of life's great miseries should be turning a positive into a negative.
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SV is consistent just like yourself.
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I have changed my mind. I don't think I ever said he would not make it but I did say I had reservations about him and his maturity. The last twenty minutes against Sunderland were electrifying and should have netted us at least two goals. Then again yesterday he could have turned the game. I am also on record as saying Benteke is the best centre forward I have ever seen in a Villa shirt. If he carries on acting the goat I may well change my mind about him.
Well you said he was too half soaked to be a superstar and that he was massively overhyped and looks completely out of his depth at this level.
I think that was a motivational message for young Jack and hopefully it will work.
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Well good job for you applauding him. Real shame he got booed by others. Doesn't deserve it.
Booing ex-players is just pantomime stuff that football crowds do, it doesn't matter whether they deserve it or not, unless they were a true club great before they left then they will get booed by someone.
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SV is consistent just like yourself.
Genuinely I have only seen QPR and Everton play once a piece this season , both occasions against us. What am I supposed to say ? Pretend they looked worse than us ?
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Dave, do you ever come on any thread not to give somebody a pull?
where's an Archbishop when you need one?
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Palace are truly awful.
I thought the people suggesting we were lucky to win there were well wide of the mark, and their showing against us the other day was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from any team in the Premier League.
The fact we failed to beat them is just depressing.
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Palace are truly awful.
I thought the people suggesting we were lucky to win there were well wide of the mark, and their showing against us the other day was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from any team in the Premier League.
The fact we failed to beat them is just depressing.
There are plenty of poor teams in the premier league, us being 12th despite not scoring in seemingly 99% of our games indicates this.
On balance though, Palace created a chance against 11 men, Sunderland didn't.
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Palace are truly awful.
I thought the people suggesting we were lucky to win there were well wide of the mark, and their showing against us the other day was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from any team in the Premier League.
The fact we failed to beat them is just depressing.
& they probably had the best clear cut chance to win it
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Surely a team below us in the league, that we took 4 points from without conceding, is worse than us?
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They're garbage. I look at Zaha and Bolasie and while I concede they can run faster than me, I am not convinced they have the capability to deliver as good a ball as me, as I would imagine both struggle to cross the road.
Players like that is what makes football since 1992 shite. Imagine how many thousands a week and millions a year in wages Palace are spending on those two players, whose only talent is an ability to run quickly. English football at it's technical best.
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Palace are truly awful.
I thought the people suggesting we were lucky to win there were well wide of the mark, and their showing against us the other day was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from any team in the Premier League.
The fact we failed to beat them is just depressing.
They were against us, but to be fair to them they were missing their captain and arguably best player, didn't seem to start with a recognised striker and have been under the hideous influence of Neil Warnock for the past few months. I think they will probably be able to win enough home games to survive.
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They're garbage. I look at Zaha and Bolasie and while I concede they can run faster than me, I am not convinced they have the capability to deliver as good a ball as me, as I would imagine both struggle to cross the road.
Players like that is what makes football since 1992 shite. Imagine how many thousands a week and millions a year in wages Palace are spending on those two players, whose only talent is an ability to run quickly. English football at it's technical best.
Yeah never got the Zaha hype at all. All he does is a million step overs and then spoons a cross into the crowd. Incredible Man. United signed him.
I like Bolaise, him and Puncheon played really well for Palace in the run in last season.
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I like Bolaise, him and Puncheon played really well for Palace in the run in last season.
However I think they are as frustrating as Charles.