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Title: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Villafirst on December 15, 2014, 07:31:38 PM
Aston Villa 5-1 Liverpool.....what a night! All goals in the first-half. What are your memories of that unforgettable night?
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Ron Manager on December 15, 2014, 07:49:35 PM
Four goals up up around the twenty minute mark...and Keegan booked for dissent!  Mmmm marvelous.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 15, 2014, 07:55:12 PM
First ever staff Christmas do (thought I "needed" to be there) at Moor Hall...only home game I missed all season!

Sat at table with two Scousers who thought I was pulling their plonkers when I phoned VP for a score update - 3-0 after about 15 minutes...5-1 at half time.

Made an immediate appointment with a hangover!!!
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Legion on December 15, 2014, 07:57:09 PM
I was 5 years old. No idea.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Legion on December 15, 2014, 07:57:30 PM
*Envious*
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: CAitken on December 15, 2014, 08:16:39 PM
I was selling programmes in the Holte, by the time I had cashed up and got back in the ground we were 2-0 up. I raced home to see the highlights only to find Trevor East had put the cameras at Derby.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: caster troy on December 15, 2014, 08:29:05 PM
My dad was there. Says that the Holte was in a state of 'utter disbelief' at HT.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Virgil Caine on December 15, 2014, 08:30:24 PM
I was nineteen at the time and the following still causes shame and feelings of self disgust. I missed the game as I was at a Jasper Carrott concert at Birmingham Town Hall- there I've said it ,and I deserve all ridicule that will no doubt follow.

I am so, so sorry.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Mister E on December 15, 2014, 09:00:44 PM
I was nineteen at the time and the following still causes shame and feelings of self disgust. I missed the game as I was at a Jasper Carrott concert at Birmingham Town Hall- there I've said it ,and I deserve all ridicule that will no doubt follow.

I am so, so sorry.
ha, ha!
I remember it because my bessie mate (a certain Mr Kinch) was celebrating his 19th birthday. He got so pissed (claims someone spiked his drinks - certainly not me) that he didn't make the game. So, I went with others and had the most amazing evening.
I think that was the best Villa side I've seen.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Witton Warrior on December 15, 2014, 09:05:00 PM
I as 16 and had gone straight from school to VP - remember sitting on the terraces at half-time smoking a fag and drinking in the experience. Got home and went to the next door neighbour who was a glory-hunting Southern twat - danced on his lawn until my old man had to pull me inside. Turned out nobody had seen the score and didn't believe me.

My generation were so lucky...
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: olaftab on December 15, 2014, 09:06:49 PM
Stood in the Holte that night so was a little miffed that all the goals were up other end but not complaining. It was the night when Ken McNaught finally won us over.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Flamingo Lane on December 15, 2014, 09:34:33 PM
Stood in the Holte that night so was a little miffed that all the goals were up other end but not complaining. It was the night when Ken McNaught finally won us over.

I don't think it was, as he was playing for Everton that season!
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Villafirst on December 15, 2014, 09:46:27 PM
Yep, McNaught played against us later that season in all 3 League Cup finals - he signed for us in the Summer of 1977. Brian Litttle's goal (the 4th) was a brilliant curler with his left foot. Pity we didn't get 2 or 3 more in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: dave shelley on December 15, 2014, 09:51:32 PM
Don't think I've ever seen a better 45 minutes football from any other Villa side in my lifetime and that includes the 11-1 win against Charlton in the second division in 1959.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Flamingo Lane on December 15, 2014, 10:09:25 PM
By some distance that was the best half of football I've ever seen from a Villa team, a truly magical night. 
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Holte132 on December 15, 2014, 10:13:17 PM
I was at teacher-training college in Nottingham at the time and remember listening to commentary on Radio Birmingham (think that's what it was called then). Very difficult to pick up the signal. My brother was at a chess match in Birmingham that night and they could hear all the Villa cheers, but assumed that the cheering was just for winning corners!
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: olaftab on December 15, 2014, 10:24:12 PM
Stood in the Holte that night so was a little miffed that all the goals were up other end but not complaining. It was the night when Ken McNaught finally won us over.
I don't think it was, as he was playing for Everton that season!
Ah well may be I am sticking two nice events in the same slot. However I do recall that Ken had a bad start with us and then one match that I can not remember turning his career around.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: eric woolban woolban on December 15, 2014, 10:28:12 PM
Wow what a home record that season:

W17 D3 L1 For 55 Against 17
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 15, 2014, 10:29:51 PM
The one defeat was small heath if I remember my stats correctly.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 16, 2014, 12:30:14 AM
The best performance I have ever seen from the Villa, and the greatest half-time ovation I have heard anywhere.

East and Newbon deprived us of the best footage we could ever wish to see from a Villa team. To rub salt in the wounds our xmas home game was snowed off so the Terry Weir photos of the goals from the Liverpool game which featured in the match programme didn't even get a public airing.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Villafirst on December 16, 2014, 02:09:40 AM
I've got good clear photos of all the goals - taken by Terry Weir. Plus I've got copies of the B'ham Post, Mail and the Mirror match reports. There is apparently some grainy footage of the goals taken by an independent cameraman but I can't track it down. Hopefully it might turn up on Youtube one day.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 16, 2014, 02:18:50 AM
Stood in the Holte that night so was a little miffed that all the goals were up other end but not complaining. It was the night when Ken McNaught finally won us over.
I don't think it was, as he was playing for Everton that season!
Ah well may be I am sticking two nice events in the same slot. However I do recall that Ken had a bad start with us and then one match that I can not remember turning his career around.

Gornik in the UEFA Cup the year after.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: pooligan on December 16, 2014, 04:47:03 AM
I am pleased to say i was at the game and better still was in the Witton end among all the Liverpool fans (no segregation then) to see all the goals. Is probably the best game i have ever seen and will probably stay that way.Liverpool at the time were probably the best team in Europe so to thrash them in 45 minutes was no mean feat believe me.

Someone earlier mentioned about Ken McNaught playing. I can assure you he had not yet signed at that time.Some one will  correct me if i am wrong, but i am pretty sure Chris Nicholl would have played if he had not been injured and his place was taken by the young reserve defender Charlie Young
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: steamer on December 16, 2014, 05:36:03 AM
finished college early to go to the pub before the game.
What a night, the Holte swaying and roaring,
The second half was obviously a bit of an anti climax as even the players probably could not believe the score line.
For me this was my Iconic season,
Finished 4th, Regular crowds of 40K average only 34 because of a few low ones at the end. 50K against the Blues.
We beat Utd at home and Gray got fined for giving their fans the V sign, he said he was showing he had scored two.
Beat Arsenal also at home 5-1
Won the league cup, after the replays.
Knocked out the cup  1/4 final (who else- Utd) in front of 57K
Beat the Albion last game at home 4-0
Only black spot, Blues getting the double, although the game at their place was interesting.
Scored in every home game only losing one, Blues !!
Those were the days.

Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: claret and blue blood on December 16, 2014, 07:50:11 AM
I was in the Holte and Phil Thompson gave us the big one when they pulled it back to 4-1.We promptly went down the other end and Sir Brian bent one past Ray Clemence into the far corner from the corner of the box -brilliant!
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Witton Warrior on December 16, 2014, 08:15:47 AM
Wow what a home record that season:

W17 D3 L1 For 55 Against 17

Can we forward this Lerner?
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on December 16, 2014, 08:34:03 AM
I was 7 at the time and sat in the Witton Lane with my dad, my grandad and my uncle that night.

I remember my mom having a row with my dad because I was supposed to be in the school nativity play that evening again - but my Dad said the Villa come first.

I dont think we sat down at all in the first half !

It will always be one of the most magical nights of my life - with my closest family, in the place that I love, under the massive AV floodlights and such a superb performance.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Bernie on December 16, 2014, 10:48:01 AM
As it was a working day and the office Christmas Meal was the next day I was, thankfully, unusually sober on this night. For some reason the main memory that sticks is at half-time wandering about in the concourse under the Holte amongst a sea of faces that reflected a mix of joy and "is this really happening?" disbelief.
I was due to get well hammered at the next day's all day do long anyway, but this made it all the sweeter.
And as for the season itself, many of Steamer's memories recorded above coincide with mine. Probably the best Villa team in my memory, including the 80-82 seasons.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 16, 2014, 01:13:46 PM
Someone earlier mentioned about Ken McNaught playing. I can assure you he had not yet signed at that time.Some one will  correct me if i am wrong, but i am pretty sure Chris Nicholl would have played if he had not been injured and his place was taken by the young reserve defender Charlie Young

Good point pooligan. Charlie Young only played a few games but we were so dominant he didn't look out of place. I have no idea where he went. He must be the only Cyprus born player ever to turn out for us.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: dave shelley on December 16, 2014, 01:29:07 PM
I think this is about the third time I have posted this re this match so I'll do it again.  I was in my usual spot behind the goal just to the right at the Witton End and, I, like others have said could not believe what I was witnessing.  Now, the real reason for this post is, each post previously about this match I said that it was almost so much better, as in the second half Denis Mortimer hit the crossbar.  No one has ever come back and said that they remember this so, for the sake of my failing sanity can someone please do so?  Either that or tell me it didn't happen and that I am imagining things.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: pooligan on December 16, 2014, 01:53:50 PM
Hello Dave , i can remember Mortimer hitting the bar and feeling disappointed that we had not given them six of the best.The other memories i have of that fantastic night are Brian Little curling his shot around Clemence for i think was his second goal and seeing the likes of Clemence,Hughes,Kennedy and Beaky Thompson almost coming to blows over whose fault it was for the goals
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: dave shelley on December 16, 2014, 02:00:56 PM
Thanks Pooligan, I'm not going mad then.  I also remember Thompson screaming that nearly every goal they conceded was a foul.  How dare we score agains them?
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Dave Cooper please on December 16, 2014, 03:23:43 PM
The best memory of the mach was seeing Emlyn Hughes' face as Sir Brian of Little dropped his shoulder and left him for dead for about the eighth time in the match. Hughes couldn't even get near enough to foul him.

My step-dad, who took me to this one, had seen some of the finest footballers in the World in his time watching football but he proclaimed Little as right up there with the best he had ever seen.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: class-of-82 on December 16, 2014, 07:42:24 PM
I was 17 at the time and watching us totally dismantle the best team in England and the soon to be team that would dominate Europe was so magical.
Everything we did just clicked that night I don't think frank carrodus ever stopped running that night.
Every cross andy gray seemed to get on the end of and Brian little well only way to describe him was have a look at certain guy called messi to give you some idea what he was like that night.
Alex Cropley possibly the best midfielder I have seen in my time going to vp and my all time fave player.
Nights like that keep me going when we have to watch some of the performances of late
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 18, 2014, 03:12:06 AM
I was only 6 and it was the second Villa game I remember being at. The first was against Millwall which I remember as I lost my scarf at it. Dad was working 6.5 days a week on the buildings then so I went to some Saturday games with my uncle and midweek games with Dad. I know we were in the lower Trinity Road towards the Witton End but can't remember anything of the game apart from the sense of surprise at half-time.   
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: dave shelley on December 18, 2014, 10:15:43 AM
I was only 6 and it was the second Villa game I remember being at. The first was against Millwall which I remember as I lost my scarf at it. Dad was working 6.5 days a week on the buildings then so I went to some Saturday games with my uncle and midweek games with Dad. I know we were in the lower Trinity Road towards the Witton End but can't remember anything of the game apart from the sense of surprise at half-time.   

The sense of surprise you mention BV reminded me of the noise at half time.  I don't mean the cheering but, once the players had left the field, people seemed to forget/ignore their usual half time routines to talk about what they had just been part of.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Godfrey Brian on December 20, 2014, 10:43:34 AM
Amongst our usual group was a lad we talked into going to his first ever game. He stood with us towards the back of the Holte for the first half and, amongst the disbelieving chatter at half time, went off, got lost and didn't make it back to us. He ended up going home early. It remains the only match he's ever been to and the only full half he's ever seen. He probably thinks it's like that every week!  :).

Cheering that side off at half-time was one of my proudest Villa memories ever.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Rudy65 on December 20, 2014, 10:45:21 PM
finished college early to go to the pub before the game.
What a night, the Holte swaying and roaring,
The second half was obviously a bit of an anti climax as even the players probably could not believe the score line.
For me this was my Iconic season,
Finished 4th, Regular crowds of 40K average only 34 because of a few low ones at the end. 50K against the Blues.
We beat Utd at home and Gray got fined for giving their fans the V sign, he said he was showing he had scored two.
Beat Arsenal also at home 5-1
Won the league cup, after the replays.
Knocked out the cup  1/4 final (who else- Utd) in front of 57K
Beat the Albion last game at home 4-0
Only black spot, Blues getting the double, although the game at their place was interesting.
Scored in every home game only losing one, Blues !!
Those were the days.

Yep. Agree, best ever season for me as well. Only 12 but it was fab, saw many games that season but not the 5 one
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: papa lazarou on December 23, 2014, 10:42:25 AM
I can remember the great Kevin Keegan being totally dominated and unable to do anything apart from complaining to the referee - about what I have no idea. It were grand!
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Comrade Blitz on December 23, 2014, 12:42:26 PM
"The Best Half of Football Ever" (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/great-games-aston-villa-5-181147)
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 23, 2014, 01:37:16 PM
"The Best Half of Football Ever" (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/great-games-aston-villa-5-181147)

Cheers for that Comrade. I remember Micky Buttress but I had no recollection of him coming on that night.

Shame the Mail got the date wrong, but even the finest publications in the land can make mistakes.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Chris Jameson on December 23, 2014, 02:37:14 PM
Just seen this. I was at Feethams watching an FA Cup match between Darlington and Sheffield Wednesday and when they put the half time scores on the board thought there must be a mistake!

My memories of the night are the Darlington support singing 'Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough' to the large Wednesday contingent, they did and they were and the match made the national news as it was held up due to 'hooliganism'. Jimmy Seal scored one of the best goals i've ever seen to clinch a shock 1-0 win for Darlo. My mum waited up for my safe return and it was her who told me the Villa score.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Crops10 on December 30, 2014, 01:28:15 PM
Dad has always said that the 5-1 game was the best game of football that he had played in. Shocking that there were no cameras at the ground. Would have been a great game to have watched. See the scousers chasing shadows.
Title: Re: 38 years ago today....
Post by: Dave Cooper please on December 30, 2014, 06:47:39 PM
Dad has always said that the 5-1 game was the best game of football that he had played in.

Almost certainly, it was as complete a team performance as you would ever wish to see.
The thing about your dad was that his combativeness was exactly the thing that allowed the likes of Mortimer and Little to be so creative.
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