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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: villa `cross the mersey on December 14, 2014, 07:48:12 PM
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The annual debacle is just around the corner - despite Salford`s shaky defence I am predicting the usual surrender by our lot in front of the hordes of Brummie/Cockney/ Bristol/Cheltenham/Worcester etc Reds .
Although Okore has improved things I am predicting that we will fold as usual - not the normal 3-0 thumping - I will go for 4-0 and we dont have a shot on target.
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No , it won't be as painless as that.
We will lead 2-0 with 78 mins gone and end up losing 2-3.
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I saw the first 10 minutes today and was confident of a 2-0 defeat with a couple of early chances created by us due to their terrible defence. Having heard the final score I assume Liverpool were abysmal?
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We will win.
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We will win.
A bit early for the cooking sherry?
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At least we can try and catch them on the quick counter attack.
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Despite the winning run they are on I quite fancy us to get a draw. Obviously we won't beat them, there is more chance of us winning the FA Cup than ever beating them at VP in the league again.
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This is our year. In every respect.
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I think they've been jammy to go on this run of wins. They're due a fall so wouldn't it be great if we dumped the shites on the floor? Expecting a reaction from some of our players after yesterday in front of a decent crowd so let's be positive, 2-1 Villa.
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Bugger. 2-0 Home win. Benteke and Weimann.
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This is a good time to play them. They are unconvincing, but have enjoyed a streaky winning run, which must come to an end some time very soon, and they might just approach this game thinking they only have to turn up (which, to be fair, is the most they normally have to do to take 3 points away from B6).
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No Hutton, Cleverley, Richardson in addition to the injured players. Will we have enough fit players to fill the bench?
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The usual.
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Guzan-Lowton, Vlaar, Clark, Cissokho-Sanchez, Delph-Gabby, Charlie, Andi-Benteke; Given, Herd, Okore, Bacuna, Grealish, Robinson, a midfielder. Flukey win long overdue. UTV.
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How the feck manure have won their last two games is beyond me, a great keeper does help. I dont think they are in the class of Chelsea and Man City and want us to go for it. If we lose, so be it, but lets get at them cos if we sit back and let them do what they want we could be in for a tanking
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Last season was a good time to play them too. We conceded 7 goals and even let Tom Cleverly score.
Sadly, the usual for me with Lambert saying "I thought we were excellent" afterwards.
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I saw the first 10 minutes today and was confident of a 2-0 defeat with a couple of early chances created by us due to their terrible defence. Having heard the final score I assume Liverpool were abysmal?
Nope, de gea pulled off 2 or 3 brilliant saves.
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Have a strange fancy that we will get a result here. They are winning but playing poorly and that isn't sustainable. We will need Benteke at his absolute best to have a chance but this is the kind of game that he should be well up for with the transfer window around the corner.
Some of their defending has been criminal of late, Liverpool today had a load of chances and Southampton and Arsenal should have beaten them comfortably. Lambert will be forced to play with three centre backs with all the midfielders out.
I'd look at
--------------Guzan
-----Okore, Vlaar, Clark
Lowton, Sanchez, Cissokho
--------Bacuna, Delph
------------Grealish
------------Benteke
Subs - Gabby, Weimann, Nzogbia...not sure who is left. Poor old Chris Herd of course
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No chance he will drop Gabby or Weimann for this one
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Have a strange fancy that we will get a result here. They are winning but playing poorly and that isn't sustainable. We will need Benteke at his absolute best to have a chance but this is the kind of game that he should be well up for with the transfer window around the corner.
Some of their defending has been criminal of late, Liverpool today had a load of chances and Southampton and Arsenal should have beaten them comfortably. Lambert will be forced to play with three centre backs with all the midfielders out.
I'd look at
--------------Guzan
-----Okore, Vlaar, Clark
Lowton, Sanchez, Cissokho
--------Bacuna, Delph
------------Grealish
------------Benteke
Subs - Gabby, Weimann, Nzogbia...not sure who is left. Poor old Chris Herd of course
Like it, but, I would go with Andi playing up top with CB, they do seem to play well together
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Put your house on a 2-0 away win.
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Do we have to? Can't we just say we've got a headache, or it's hair-washing day?
Or just run away for the day?
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Put your house on a 2-0 away win.
The only thing that could possibly lead to a Villa win in this game would be if I put my house on Man U. And no, I'm not prepared to make that sacrifice for the cause.
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Just keep the glory hunting southern tourists off the pitch and that will be a bonus.
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Just keep the glory hunting southern tourists off the pitch and that will be a bonus.
Or from sitting next to me, smirking; their eyes saying "never mind...pretty sure you'll beat some other team in the next 5 or 6 weeks..."
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0-2 booo
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Last season was a good time to play them too. We conceded 7 goals and even let Tom Cleverly score.
Sadly, the usual for me with Lambert saying "I thought we were excellent" afterwards.
Cleverley scored? How did this happen? He's shit. I bet he's playing for somebody shit now...
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We'll get a good beating in this one I'm afraid. Three or four nil.
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I just hope Gabby and Benteke turn up.
They were notable by their absence yesterday.
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1-3 Loss
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0-3. Our annual home dicking by these bastards.
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Well at least vlaar Delph and Benteke should all be fired up. Stranger things have happened I suppose but we always lose to them. #rules
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If we win this I'll eat my hat. Actually I'll do something even crazier, I'll give Lambert some credit!
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Really fear this could be another `Chelsea` type result.
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Really fear this could be another `Chelsea` type result.
Where we win 1-0 with a brilliant Fabian Delph goal?
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Really fear this could be another `Chelsea` type result.
Where we win 1-0 with a brilliant Fabian Delph goal?
Which would be nice!
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Can't see us scoring easily.
De Gea is in sensational form.
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Just the one will be fine...
...as long as they score nunk...
...which just never fu**in' happens does it?
Evertheoptimist...we will win!
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Can't see us scoring easily.
De Gea is in sensational form.
Liverpool had four or five of the easiest chances they are likely to get in the top flight against them today, so I think we'll get a few. There are some pretty major weaknesses there, it's just with Lambert can find a way of exploiting them. Having Benteke play up against Carrick would be a start.
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If I could choose any fixture for us to win, it'd be this one. I expect they'll win like they usually do, but when we've got Benteke, we've always got a chance even if it's a small one!
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They're bad away from home, I see there as being plenty of hope for this one.
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2-1 Villa. They couldn't have been any shitter last season and we turned in a dreadful performance home and away. New approach and them on a high, it has to end sometime. Their back four isn't great and they really got lucky today vs Liverpool. I reckon we'll score a couple and just about hang on to win. Benteke and Delph.
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Got a sneaky feeling we'll win this 2-1 Benteke and Andi to score.
I only get to watch games on the tv since I moved to Canada but I wouldn't have N'Zogbia in the stadium let alone the squad, it flabbergasts me when I see his name in some peoples line ups for upcoming games, am I missing something??? Its like playing with 10 men whenever he plays.
UTV!
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I don't usually make my forecast until the day before the game,but lets face it we have known the result of this particular fixture in advance for god knows how many years now.
Looking at the United defending this season i would have fancied us to get a goal or two,then i came to my senses and remembered the negative approach our manager has to games,so i will go for the annual defeat by these gloryhunting bastards
Us 0 Them 3
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We could easily get something from this game but Paul Lambert is our manager, so we wont.
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My heart says win, my head says my heart is crazy, I hate hate hate hate these bastards nearly as much as Small Heath, will take a defeat if we actually have a go at them, if not just give them the points cancel the game and save the misery.
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Oh, it's that time of year again is it...
I look forward to this game less than any other
Still going though ;-)
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I've always tried to defend nzogbia but his recent performances have been shocking and he has to be dropped for this one .
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Oh for a manager with some balls and an aggressive approach to give these obnoxious bastards a beating ,but as other posts say we have Lambert.
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Even if we do something we haven't done very often this season - like score a goal - they still have Falcao, Mata, Rooney, Van Persie and that diving bastard Ashley Young up front. Our style of defensive play is going to be sorely stretched. If we win this game I will run naked through my street. Even last season when everyone else seemed to be getting points off them we rolled over like a lame pussycat who's been lured away by a lovely dish of milk. 0-3 and the decent run of two wins long long forgotten.
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I've always tried to defend nzogbia but his recent performances have been shocking and he has to be dropped for this one .
As I predicted Lambert played him against Albion. The guy offers absolutely nothing. Would love us to give these a game but they are flying at the moment and there is no way we will keep a clean sheet. 1-3
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Standard 0-3
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Since Carrick has returned for them they have been on this fantastic run. Really can't see anything but another game where we don't score and we concede 2 or 3.
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If someone can remind lambert that a football pitch has two halves then we have a chance.
Unfortunately I doubt that will happen and we will lose thanks to a sloppy mistake from one of our full backsgiving the ball after receiving the ball from one of our new inventive backwards goalkicks
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They are beatable their defence is all over the place but De Gea is playing out of his skin.They over play at the back so we need to keep pressure on them high up the pitch.
Would not be supervised if we go 3-5-2 to match them
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Defensively they're terrible. You could drive a fleet of busses up through their middle, let alone one. Liverpool, Southampton and Arsenal want shooting for not battering them.
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I fear the usual annual drubbing, especially with the injuries and suspensions. Slowly passing it out side to side from defence will play straight into their hands - they'll contain us in our own half and wallop us at will. I just wish for once Lambert would have a real go from the start and if we lose at least we go down fighting. 3-1 to them, with assorted local plastic reds getting ejected from the Holte End throughout the game
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This is probably the game I most want to win every season, it happens so rarely though I can barely accept it as a possibility, especially after last season. It can be done though. UP THE VILLA!
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I just about worked up the energy to put an entry in this thread in order to predict the same old shite.
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I can only see an easy Utd victory in this. As good as our defence has been, it'll be interesting to see how we cope against genuine top quality. As unconvincing as Utd look, they've still got real class up front. Massive test for the Clark/Okore partnership.
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If someone can remind lambert that a football pitch has two halves then we have a chance.
Also it has two halves.....under Lambert we have very rarely put a good 90 mins together, only 45 mins. He really should be kept out of the dressing room at half time.
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I won't be there. Even when I have a ST I often don't go to this one, it was the only home game I missed last season. I hate this game more than any other. I hate Manure more than other club, I hate their gloryhunting fans, I hate their Manc fans, I hate that no matter how good we are, no matter how crap they are, we never beat the bastards at home. We could be on our way to our 10th title in a row, they could be in the Conference and the fuckers would still turn us over in the cup. I really fucking hate Brummie Reds, classless gloryhunting wankers, give me a match going nose every day of the week.
Please Villa, beat these bastards, show that good can overcome evil.
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Lambert should sit Gabby (and some others) down and show them where Rooney was when Sterling missed his goal chance (in his own penalty area) and where he was 25 seconds later when he was putting the ball into the net (in Pools penalty area). That is the kind of effort required to win matches and until Gabby (and some others) start doing that on a regular basis we will continue to flutter around the relegation zone.
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Lose.
Get it over with.
Even Jimmy Greenhoff may score for them. Mickey Thomas and Stuart Houston to complete the rout.
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Lambert should sit Gabby (and some others) down and show them where Rooney was when Sterling missed his goal chance (in his own penalty area) and where he was 25 seconds later when he was putting the ball into the net (in Pools penalty area). That is the kind of effort required to win matches and until Gabby (and some others) start doing that on a regular basis we will continue to flutter around the relegation zone.
Absolutely!
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Haven't been down much since April when we had our twin boys so this is only my second league game this season. This is one I always go to as I have a big Man Utd fan as a mate (shes a classic red - lives in London, parents from Mauritius, never goes to OT). Villa 1-0 (a la Chelsea last season)
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Comfortable Villa win. Fancy us to get five or six.
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This has been my least favourite fixture for years and years now. When i still had a season ticket, I'd frequently give my ticket up for someone else or take any excuse not to attend it, I hate absolutely everything about it.
That match in the Houllier year, the one with Bannan and Hogg in the middle, in which Albrighton scored, when we were two nil up with ten minutes to go, if I'd been able to get a data signal on my phone, I'd have lumped near enough everything in my bank account on us not winning that game. Year after year it is a depressing kick in the bollocks.
Slight tangent, and not aimed at anyone on this thread at the moment, just a general point, but I'll never understand why Villa fans who pick and choose their games so often pick this one.
When I pick and choose, my first instinct is to pick one we're likely to get something out of, rather than one where year after year we get either fuck all, or exceptionally close to it.
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Anyway, 2-0 to us.
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We'll defend our 'nil' and be 'excellent' in failure to do so
I feel fortunate to have been at the never win anything with kids game...might never happen again!
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Slight tangent, and not aimed at anyone on this thread at the moment, just a general point, but I'll never understand why Villa fans who pick and choose their games so often pick this one.
When I pick and choose, my first instinct is to pick one we're likely to get something out of, rather than one where year after year we get either fuck all, or exceptionally close to it.
Same here. As finances dictate I have to pick and choose, it's why i'm doing Leicester and Sunderland and skipping this one. Plus Leicester and Sunderland will cost me the same as this one game would. No brainer for me.
That Hogg/Bannan game was the last time I was at VP for a game against them and i've had a ST nearly every year since then. The time before that was the game where Scholes scored that screamer.
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I feel fortunate to have been at the never win anything with kids game...might never happen again!
Last time I saw us beat them at VP was twice in the 92/93 season!
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Got myself into north lower for this . For nothing other than a chance to hurl abuse at brummie and Surrey reds . C***s
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90 mins of the Red Army singing dirge after dirge. Still at least they make a bit of noise.
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Slight tangent, and not aimed at anyone on this thread at the moment, just a general point, but I'll never understand why Villa fans who pick and choose their games so often pick this one.
When I pick and choose, my first instinct is to pick one we're likely to get something out of, rather than one where year after year we get either fuck all, or exceptionally close to it.
Same here. As finances dictate I have to pick and choose, it's why i'm doing Leicester and Sunderland and skipping this one. Plus Leicester and Sunderland will cost me the same as this one game would. No brainer for me.
That Hogg/Bannan game was the last time I was at VP for a game against them and i've had a ST nearly every year since then. The time before that was the game where Scholes scored that screamer.
I think those were my two last Man United matches, too.
That Scholes goal was one of the best I've ever seen at Villa Park. What a player he was.
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I also generally avoid the Yanited game like the plague. But this time I'm going. I must be mental.
I will probably go to old Trafford too as I haven't been for ages and may just give it another go.
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Last time I went to Old trafford was the Liverpool semi in 1996.
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on holiday for this one, so a win please.....come on Santa, it's fucking Christmas for us Villa fans too.
2-1 Villa :)
UTV
The Doc
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Slight tangent, and not aimed at anyone on this thread at the moment, just a general point, but I'll never understand why Villa fans who pick and choose their games so often pick this one.
When I pick and choose, my first instinct is to pick one we're likely to get something out of, rather than one where year after year we get either fuck all, or exceptionally close to it.
Same here. As finances dictate I have to pick and choose, it's why i'm doing Leicester and Sunderland and skipping this one. Plus Leicester and Sunderland will cost me the same as this one game would. No brainer for me.
That Hogg/Bannan game was the last time I was at VP for a game against them and i've had a ST nearly every year since then. The time before that was the game where Scholes scored that screamer.
I think those were my two last Man United matches, too.
That Scholes goal was one of the best I've ever seen at Villa Park. What a player he was.
He was also a cheating bastard and would've been sent off for the multitude of yellow card offences he committed prior to that goal had he played for any other club.
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Last time I went to Old trafford was the Liverpool semi in 1996.
Last time I went Diego Forlan scored his first Yanited goal at something like the 356th attempt. I was also there when Andy (Andrew?) cole broke his duck against us
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I've no interest in seeing us roll over and get twatted by this subhuman scum, again. Next game is Swansea away, Lambore has a decentish record against them for him.
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2-4.
I'll take that.
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Honestly I think it will be the usual, followed by the traditional Villa christmas collapse then we are back into the same nightmare run of expensive teams for January.
Yeah I am not confident.
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Even without all our injuries and suspensions we are no-hopers for this match, as per.
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I feel fortunate to have been at the never win anything with kids game...might never happen again!
Last time I saw us beat them at VP was twice in the 92/93 season!
the game in 95 was one of the first appearances by Beckham & he has had an entire career :-(
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knowing Villa we'll likely lose this, or win, maybe even draw
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knowing Villa we'll likely lose this
Fixed.
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Think we need Sancez to have a big game here as if we lose control of midfield we will be chasing shadows all afternoon. And of course Benteke to produce the hold up play to bring Gabby into play. This game has come at the worst possible time for us (like that is ever a good time), 1-4 to them.
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I think we will win this one.
They've won six on the spin and had more jam than Hartleys in the process. The Dippers had enough gilt edge chances to have won that yesterday, which is a similar story to Man Yanited's previous two away games. They're abysmal defensively. There was a point where Markovic (sp) picked up the ball and just ran in a straight line unchallenged for forty yards.
If we don't concede an early goal, I honestly think we will get something.
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knowing Villa we'll likely lose this, or win, maybe even draw
I dunno, I think you're sticking your neck out a bit there.
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knowing Villa we'll likely lose this, or win, maybe even draw
You don't think it'll get abandoned or postponed then?
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Evertheoptimist: we will click on the day and win.
(But we do need every player to turn up and play at 75% potential at least - not like Sat when some players may as well have stayed at home and decorated the tree).
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We will roll over for them as usual 0-3
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knowing Villa we'll likely lose this, or win, maybe even draw
You don't think it'll get abandoned or postponed then?
hoping for twister to go through VP as we concede our third and sweep just the Man U team into the abyss. Game gets postponed. Everyone rejoices on multiple levels.
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I think we will win this one.
They've won six on the spin and had more jam than Hartleys in the process. The Dippers had enough gilt edge chances to have won that yesterday, which is a similar story to Man Yanited's previous two away games. They're abysmal defensively. There was a point where Markovic (sp) picked up the ball and just ran in a straight line unchallenged for forty yards.
If we don't concede an early goal, I honestly think we will get something.
Did you copy and paste that from last season? ;) Honestly last season they were terrible and we lost 1-7 in two games against them managed by David Moyes in a season when we beat Man. City, Arsenal, Chelsea and outplayed Liverpool when they were battering everyone at Anfield.
I think that shows you how pyschological it is now, as much for them coming to VP as it is for us.
Think they'll win 1-3, can see us going 3-5-2 for this which might make things close in the first half but RVP and Rooney have hit form in recent weeks so just don't see us keeping them out for 98 minutes.
I'm another who's long given up on this fixture. Only regret is I won't be there to experience the orgasm when we finally beat them at VP. Mind you I'll probably be 94 then and enjoying my retirement in Hugh Hefner's mansion!
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0 3. Predictable
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What's the chances webcam will get an assist and go down in or around the box like sack of spuds?
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I think we will win this one.
They've won six on the spin and had more jam than Hartleys in the process. The Dippers had enough gilt edge chances to have won that yesterday, which is a similar story to Man Yanited's previous two away games. They're abysmal defensively. There was a point where Markovic (sp) picked up the ball and just ran in a straight line unchallenged for forty yards.
If we don't concede an early goal, I honestly think we will get something.
Did you copy and paste that from last season? ;) Honestly last season they were terrible and we lost 1-7 in two games against them managed by David Moyes in a season when we beat Man. City, Arsenal, Chelsea and outplayed Liverpool when they were battering everyone at Anfield.
I think that shows you how pyschological it is now, as much for them coming to VP as it is for us.
Think they'll win 1-3, can see us going 3-5-2 for this which might make things close in the first half but RVP and Rooney have hit form in recent weeks so just don't see us keeping them out for 98 minutes.
I'm another who's long given up on this fixture. Only regret is I won't be there to experience the orgasm when we finally beat them at VP. Mind you I'll probably be 94 then and enjoying my retirement in Hugh Hefner's mansion!
You're right, it is psychological, and it is a mindset that has totally permeated the the Villa Park crowd, for the best part of a decade (maybe more), too. Is there another fixture in the top flight where the negative vibes of defeatism flow out so readily from the home support? Man Utd must take to the field feeling as though they are a goal up before the ball has been kicked - even when we are in the lead you can feel a psychological wilting from everyone in claret and blue. It's a strange one. Eventually this ridiculous (and, frankly, embarrassing) sequence will end.
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If we don't concede an early goal, I honestly think we will get something.
I reckon we will hold out for up to 8 minutes...
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Lowton will come in for Hutton, but I am unsure as to whether I would bring Vlaar back in. Clark has been playing well, but I think we should be picking our best players, so it's a toss up as to what we do at the back.
I would have Sanchez and Delph as a deep two and then bring Bacuna and Grealish into the side to play as an advanced midfield three with Gabby, behind Benteke. N'Zogbia should be dropped and while I feel the same applies to Gabby, I don't see who can come in and replace him.
It would be important that those three hit the box and get close to Benteke, with two quick wider players trying to stop their wing backs/full backs getting forward. I think Man United are very susceptible at the back and pace will cause them big problems.
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As poor as Man Utd look at the back, they do tend to play five across the middle so it's important we don't get outnumbered in there. One option is five at the back with three center halves and two wing backs (Lowton and Cissoko). Or maybe, 4-5-1, with Clark in the midfield with Delph and Sanchez and Gabby and Grealish trying to support Benteke. Whatever we end up doing though, it's going to be tough.
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knowing Villa we'll likely lose this, or win, maybe even draw
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Make no bones about it Lambert will send us out to not take a tonking, he will accept a 2/3-0 defeat no injuries and go to Swansea to play for a draw. Sitting completely back against these will get us fucked, we need to get amongst them and put pressure on there dodgy defence.
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The usual insipid, submissive shite we always serve up against these. 0-3.
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Do we have to play them?
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Shutting Carrick down is the key. If we allow him to conduct the game it will be a very long 90 mins
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Shutting Carrick down is the key. If we allow him to conduct the game it will be a very long 90 mins
He's not that good and besides, he'll probably be playing in defence.
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Shutting Carrick down is the key. If we allow him to conduct the game it will be a very long 90 mins
He's not that good and besides, he'll probably be playing in defence.
I disagree, he IS that good. And even playing CB he can orchestrate a game.
Yaniteds impressive run has coincided with one thing - the return of Michael Carrick. Coincidence ? Personally I think not.
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Their good run coicides with their goalkeeper making save after save after save.
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Their decent run started before Carrick was back. They had lost only 1 only in 5 before that and that defeat was at Citeh when they had 10 men for nearly an hour. Although Carrick did come on in that game.
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Each to their own opinions but since he's been back they've won straight 6. I'm not Yanited fan and I don't look forward to seeing them win at villa but the £27 admission on Saturday will be largely worth it even if we lose to see some quality play , carrick is brilliant at what he does, very much a footballers footballer.
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I don't care who they're going to put out on the pitch. In form, off form. We're an absolute joy for Utd to play. In need of goal? We'll gift it to you. In need of a comfortable win with nary a bead of sweat broken? Merry Christmas.
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I work with a Utd ST holder (from Salford) and he tells me Carrick makes them tick. Maybe get Weimann to do a closing job like he does on Gerrard at Anfield?
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Get gabby to do his bloody job for once and chase the ball when it's with their defence not just trot about looking uninterested and cold.
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I work with a Utd ST holder (from Salford) and he tells me Carrick makes them tick. Maybe get Weimann to do a closing job like he does on Gerrard at Anfield?
If the weekend was anything to go by, Carrick will playing in the middle of a back three. I would personally put Benteke on his toes with the instruction to make things very awkward for him.
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Slight tangent, and not aimed at anyone on this thread at the moment, just a general point, but I'll never understand why Villa fans who pick and choose their games so often pick this one.
When I pick and choose, my first instinct is to pick one we're likely to get something out of, rather than one where year after year we get either fuck all, or exceptionally close to it.
Same here. As finances dictate I have to pick and choose, it's why i'm doing Leicester and Sunderland and skipping this one. Plus Leicester and Sunderland will cost me the same as this one game would. No brainer for me.
That Hogg/Bannan game was the last time I was at VP for a game against them and i've had a ST nearly every year since then. The time before that was the game where Scholes scored that screamer.
I think those were my two last Man United matches, too.
That Scholes goal was one of the best I've ever seen at Villa Park. What a player he was.
He was also a cheating bastard and would've been sent off for the multitude of yellow card offences he committed prior to that goal had he played for any other club.
It has become an accepted truth in the SKY era that Paul Scholes was one of the genuine greats. He was obviously a very good player, but was he really up there with the likes of Zidane? Thinking back, did he really produce on the international stage like players of that stature did? I seem to remember him being shifted around to accommodate other players in central midfield.
I accept that my intense dislike of 'Man Yoo' might cloud my judgement on him!!
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I'm not sure I like our new kit for this game!
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I seem to remember him being shifted around to accommodate other players in central midfield.
That's really more of an indictment on the talents of two or three England managers though rather than Scholes ability.
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I hated Scholes as a Man Utd player but in the cold light of day I think he was as close as England have got to producing a world-class midfielder in the last 20 years. Probably not up there with Zidane but then who is?! Xavi said he was the best player he's ever played against and he must know a thing or two about a thing or two.
Anyway back on topic, I fear the absolute worst for this game but there is a the tiniest glimmer of hope that we'll chose this game to buck the trend of the entire season and actually go after a game. Utd are frail at the back and if we set up in the correct way and play to win I think we can do so.
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Slight tangent, and not aimed at anyone on this thread at the moment, just a general point, but I'll never understand why Villa fans who pick and choose their games so often pick this one.
When I pick and choose, my first instinct is to pick one we're likely to get something out of, rather than one where year after year we get either fuck all, or exceptionally close to it.
Same here. As finances dictate I have to pick and choose, it's why i'm doing Leicester and Sunderland and skipping this one. Plus Leicester and Sunderland will cost me the same as this one game would. No brainer for me.
That Hogg/Bannan game was the last time I was at VP for a game against them and i've had a ST nearly every year since then. The time before that was the game where Scholes scored that screamer.
I think those were my two last Man United matches, too.
That Scholes goal was one of the best I've ever seen at Villa Park. What a player he was.
He was also a cheating bastard and would've been sent off for the multitude of yellow card offences he committed prior to that goal had he played for any other club.
It has become an accepted truth in the SKY era that Paul Scholes was one of the genuine greats. He was obviously a very good player, but was he really up there with the likes of Zidane? Thinking back, did he really produce on the international stage like players of that stature did? I seem to remember him being shifted around to accommodate other players in central midfield.
I accept that my intense dislike of 'Man Yoo' might cloud my judgement on him!!
Scholes was certainly talented but his traffic cone impression in the 2002 World Cup when played in his favourite position shouldnt be forgotten. Brazil in particular played around him like he wasnt there, the English media tend to forget this. Lampard and Gerrard probably didnt have his ability but were arguably more effective at both club and international level over a longer time period. They were certainly in better form than Scholes when he threw in the towel on his international career as he admitted recently. Comparions to Zidane are absurd, Pirlo perhaps would be more fitting but Pirlo achieved a lot more at international level.
Perhaps our old assistant manager was a key part in making Scholes into the club player he was.
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Each to their own opinions but since he's been back they've won straight 6. I'm not Yanited fan and I don't look forward to seeing them win at villa but the £27 admission on Saturday will be largely worth it even if we lose to see some quality play , carrick is brilliant at what he does, very much a footballers footballer.
Worth the entrance fee to see a Man U player? How long before you start posting about "TTOD" again?
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I feel physically sick.
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Well id obviously rather see benteke and gabby rip their defence a new one . But we've been here before and it don't happen .
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Each to their own opinions but since he's been back they've won straight 6. I'm not Yanited fan and I don't look forward to seeing them win at villa but the £27 admission on Saturday will be largely worth it even if we lose to see some quality play , carrick is brilliant at what he does, very much a footballers footballer.
I can't read that without doing it with Ron Manager's voice in my head.
I'm sure those leaving the Holte End on Saturday after the inevitable will still be happy at the thought they'd just paid £27.00 to witness one of the world's greatest giving a masterclass in managing to pass a ball to a team mate.
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I remember the joy of seeing Ronaldo play in person. I can't wait to tell the grandkids how he graced the VP turf and I saw him, one of the greatest players in the world. Especially as it will involve him trying his stepover tricks and promptly putting the ball out of play to the delight of The Holte, the showboating twat.
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Each to their own opinions but since he's been back they've won straight 6. I'm not Yanited fan and I don't look forward to seeing them win at villa but the £27 admission on Saturday will be largely worth it even if we lose to see some quality play , carrick is brilliant at what he does, very much a footballers footballer.
I've only just read this and well, wow. You can tell it's nearly christmas.
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I remember the joy of seeing Ronaldo play in person. I can't wait to tell the grandkids how he graced the VP turf and I saw him, one of the greatest players in the world. Especially as it will involve him trying his stepover tricks and promptly putting the ball out of play to the delight of The Holte, the showboating twat.
I was sat in the family stand for one of our losses in the FA Cup - think it was 2007 - and at one point, Ronaldo got into a tangle just in front of us. At this, a young lad, no older than nine or ten, stood on his chair and bellowed "F*** off, Ronaldo, you greasy c***!". The innocence of youth...
Anyway, as far as Saturday's concerned, United's easiest four goal win of the season.
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I hate this fixture. The Witton upper will be full of the usual clueless tourists, taking photos and selfies every 5 friggin seconds. At the corresponding match last season, some prick in front of us filmed the whole match. Not the corners and free kicks, but the whole thing. Wanker.
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Are you a young fan eager to wear your festive jumper? Are you attending the Man Utd game this weekend?
If the answer to both these questions is yes, get down to the Fun Zone in the Indoor Academy on Saturday before the match.
Our Fun Zone - which occurs from 12noon to 3pm before the Red Devils clash - will have a festive flavour.
There will be a choir singing carols - and Santa Claus will also be in attendance for photos in a fly-by from the North Pole.
As well as that, we are asking junior supporters to don Christmas tops.
We will be posting the best pictures online on our various media channels and we will be giving out prizes to those we think are the most exemplary - and the funniest too, of course.
Our prizes range from copies of FIFA 15, signed merchandise from the players and even claret and blue rubber ducks which have come straight from the fish tanks at the SEA LIFE Centre - the venue for the weekend JV-Life Christmas Party.
There will be the usual fun activities in the popular pre-match venue, such as the EA Sports FIFA 15 pods, Match Attax and face painting.
But even this will have a merry theme, with a bucking reindeer on hand to test your co-ordination.
The Fun Zone really is the perfect way to enjoy the build-up to the game for kids - so get down there on Saturday for some ace activities.
Mascots Hercules and Bella will be coming along too!
Disabled entrance access is on the road side of the Indoor Academy.
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Red Devils? Oh, do f*ck off.
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Red Devils? Oh, do f*ck off.
I doubt anybody's seriously called them the Red Devils in sixty years. It's like believing anybody asks for a pint of amber nectar.
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I won't be there. Even when I have a ST I often don't go to this one, it was the only home game I missed last season. I hate this game more than any other. I hate Manure more than other club, I hate their gloryhunting fans, I hate their Manc fans, I hate that no matter how good we are, no matter how crap they are, we never beat the bastards at home. We could be on our way to our 10th title in a row, they could be in the Conference and the fuckers would still turn us over in the cup. I really fucking hate Brummie Reds, classless gloryhunting wankers, give me a match going nose every day of the week.
Please Villa, beat these bastards, show that good can overcome evil.
I agree with every atom of every word of this 900,000%. Would take Small Heath anyday. I also dread the impotent fury that has to be suffered for days after losing to these tools. At least van Nistelroy isn't still playing for them. I wish I could just take a pill at 2.50pm that puts you to sleep for a good three weeks...
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Aston Villa welcome the Red Devils of Manchester United from The Theatre of Dreams to Villa Park this weekend. A bumper festive home crowd will be excited at the prospect of seeing the likes of Michael Carrick, Wayne Rooney, Phil Jones and returning hero Ashley Young...
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Exactly my point. Sycophantic sh*t, the likes of which should not be on Pravda.
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I'm a ST holder and annually give this one a miss ever since that 1-4 under MON. That was the day I realised we will never beat them again.
I am going Saturday though and will be north lower showering a load of bile and abuse on the glory hunting hoardes (whilst keeping one eye on Carrick obviously ;-) ).
I expect a gut wrenching defeat snatched from the jaws of victory but and it's a very big but, you never know .
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Exactly my point. Sycophantic sh*t, the likes of which should not be on Pravda.
Didn't they refer to Tottingham as the "north London aristocrats " last year ! Where do they get this shit from
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Exactly my point. Sycophantic sh*t, the likes of which should not be on Pravda.
Didn't they refer to Tottingham as the "north London aristocrats " last year ! Where do they get this shit from
"Cultured Lilywhites"
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I hate this fixture. The Witton upper will be full of the usual clueless tourists, taking photos and selfies every 5 friggin seconds. At the corresponding match last season, some prick in front of us filmed the whole match. Not the corners and free kicks, but the whole thing. Wanker.
I was in London today and from a cafe watched a young Japanese woman in a sars mask spend 20 minutes videoing a red post box. Our capital city has become a theme park overrun by tourists.
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Given injuries and suspensions:
Guzan
Okore Vlaar Clark
Lowton Sanchez Cissokho
Bacuna Delph
Weimann
Benteke
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For God's sake Villa, just win this bloody match. Don't care how you do it, just win. I hate these tossers more than any other club. I live and work in Manchester and for a long time now this game has become an annual nightmare. Just for once Villa, take the match to them. Defensively they're no great shakes. Give us an early Christmas present Villa, and shut these glory hunting bustard up. Please! Did I say I hate Man Ure?
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I hate this fixture. The Witton upper will be full of the usual clueless tourists, taking photos and selfies every 5 friggin seconds. At the corresponding match last season, some prick in front of us filmed the whole match. Not the corners and free kicks, but the whole thing. Wanker.
Same in the Trinity middle...except the boxes will be rammed with the Yanited prawn sandwich brigade, smiling smugly whilst punching the air with limp and flabby wrists, bulging bellies and shiny hair on show.
Girl two seats away kept squealing and screaming like a 3 year old throughout the game - her mum explained she was so excited because this was the first time she'd seen Yanited that season - she was at Uni in Brum because she wanted to get to Yanited games. (???!!!???)
Yes, I know....I also asked the obvious...so, why didn't she go to Uni in Manchester?
The look I received totally confirmed what the other half has been telling me for years...
I know completely F**K ALL!
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Whatever the outcome I hope everybody enjoys being in the presence of Michael Carrick. Something you'll be able to tell your grandchildren about one day.
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Whatever the outcome I hope everybody enjoys being in the presence of Michael Carrick. Something you'll be able to tell your grandchildren about one day.
Surely you mean Michael The Footballers Footballer Carrick
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As long as football is the real winner on Saturday.
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We could save a bob or two on the floodlights by turning them down and basking in the glorious glow emanating from the awesome genius that is Michael Carrick.
He is a very good player, though.
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If Footballer's Footballer Michael Carrick is injured before the game, I hope we applaud for him for all 90+ minutes to show our appreciation of him. Because a minute just won't do him justice. #praycarrickplays
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Just imagine what England could achieve if only he were English.
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If Carrick doesn't play, I'll kick the television in once Match of the Day is on and send the BBC the bill.
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Just imagine what England could achieve if only he were English.
If only he played for a big club!
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We could save a bob or two on the floodlights by turning them down and basking in the glorious glow emanating from the awesome genius that is Michael Carrick.
Or, even better, for the sake of all those at the match, turn the floodlights off.
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Just imagine what England could achieve if only he were English.
If only he played for a big club!
He's good, but he's not Jermain Beckford quality.
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I hate this fixture. The Witton upper will be full of the usual clueless tourists, taking photos and selfies every 5 friggin seconds. At the corresponding match last season, some prick in front of us filmed the whole match. Not the corners and free kicks, but the whole thing. Wanker.
I was in London today and from a cafe watched a young Japanese woman in a sars mask spend 20 minutes videoing a red post box. Our capital city has become a theme park overrun by tourists.
I can beat that.
I was driving through Warwick the other day and saw a group of Japanese tourists walking down towards the castle entrance in sars masks.
Mind you, they'll have come in handy to filter out the extra pollution the council have caused by introducing those truly fucking ridiculous obstructions to the flow of traffic on the High Street.
Right, kids?
*raises fist*
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Red Devils? Oh, do f*ck off.
Exactly what I thought when I read that. Coincidentally it would probably also be exactly what my thirteen year old son would be thinking if I asked him if he wanted to wear a festive jumper to the game. He would just look and me as if I had gone mad and say no but I know he would thinking 'oh do f**k off dad'.
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Aston Villa welcome the Red Devils of Manchester United from The Theatre of Dreams to Villa Park this weekend. A bumper festive home crowd will be excited at the prospect of seeing the likes of Michael Carrick, Wayne Rooney, Phil Jones and returning hero Ashley Young...
Carrick, Jones and Young. The players Best, Law and Charlton could have been.
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For God's sake Villa, just win this bloody match. Don't care how you do it, just win. I hate these tossers more than any other club. I live and work in Manchester and for a long time now this game has become an annual nightmare. Just for once Villa, take the match to them. Defensively they're no great shakes. Give us an early Christmas present Villa, and shut these glory hunting bustard up. Please! Did I say I hate Man Ure?
Your lucky. You live and work in Manchester. Most of us have to live in a city where we regularly come across United fans. ;)
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Ha ha good reply. Although the local citeh fans are becoming fairly obnoxious now too.
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I'm a ST holder and annually give this one a miss ever since that 1-4 under MON. That was the day I realised we will never beat them again.
I am going Saturday though and will be north lower showering a load of bile and abuse on the glory hunting hoardes (whilst keeping one eye on Carrick obviously ;-) ).
I expect a gut wrenching defeat snatched from the jaws of victory but and it's a very big but, you never know .
You mean at VP? We did beat them at their place under MON. It just goes to show you, because must teams would fancy playing them more at home than away, but the oppisite is true of us. In fact recently Utd have been poorer at home than on the road, so boy would I love this to be at Old Trafford.
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Exactly my point. Sycophantic sh*t, the likes of which should not be on Pravda.
they call Sunderland the Black Cats in a different article on the OS. All a bit nothing really as I am sure we've been referred to as the Villains in other places leading up to games. It's shit like Theatre of Dreams that is vomit inducing and especially if one of our own spouts that kind of bollocks.
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And it seems to me you played for them
In the centre of Midfield
Never failed to pass it sideways
In a three nil win.
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Just fucking beat them Villa that is all
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Just fucking beat them Villa that is all
That is all I would say as well.
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Ashley Young = "hero"?
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Whatever the outcome I hope everybody enjoys being in the presence of Michael Carrick. Something you'll be able to tell your grandchildren about one day.
Surely you mean Michael The Footballers Footballer Carrick
Slack jawed Carrick, over rated looking better than he is in a poor defence
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I hate this fixture. The Witton upper will be full of the usual clueless tourists, taking photos and selfies every 5 friggin seconds. At the corresponding match last season, some prick in front of us filmed the whole match. Not the corners and free kicks, but the whole thing. Wanker.
I was in London today and from a cafe watched a young Japanese woman in a sars mask spend 20 minutes videoing a red post box. Our capital city has become a theme park overrun by tourists.
I can beat that.
I was driving through Warwick the other day and saw a group of Japanese tourists walking down towards the castle entrance in sars masks.
Mind you, they'll have come in handy to filter out the extra pollution the council have caused by introducing those truly fucking ridiculous obstructions to the flow of traffic on the High Street.
Right, kids?
*raises fist*
I was stood at the top of the Holte steps (as is my wont) taking in the views prior to going in for the Arsenal match, when a group of Japanese tourists came up the steps, several wearing SARS masks. Although thinking about it it could just have been protection against the stench of the football being served up at VP lately.
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I'm a ST holder and annually give this one a miss ever since that 1-4 under MON. That was the day I realised we will never beat them again.
Erm... we beat them in 2009.
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Ashley Young = "hero"?
I think it was tongue in cheek.
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Whatever the outcome I hope everybody enjoys being in the presence of Michael Carrick. Something you'll be able to tell your grandchildren about one day.
I've only just got over the humbling experience of seeing Harry Kane at Villa Park. You know, the Harry Kane that Sky and the London media are constantly raving about. With two league goals all season, it's not not hard to see why.
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I'm a ST holder and annually give this one a miss ever since that 1-4 under MON. That was the day I realised we will never beat them again.
Erm... we beat them in 2009.
At villa park ?
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I'm a ST holder and annually give this one a miss ever since that 1-4 under MON. That was the day I realised we will never beat them again.
Erm... we beat them in 2009.
At villa park ?
At Old Trafford, 1-0.
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Yes I know. I was referring to villa park. When did we last beat them there ? 90's ?
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Yes I know. I was referring to villa park. When did we last beat them there ? 90's ?
Most likely.
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Sorry I know it's Christmas and we're all meant to be cheery and that, but I just can't see past the ritual 0-3 humiliation in this one, especially as they look to be finally cranking up the gears, whereas we're just grinding ours trying to find 2nd. ******.
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Yes I know. I was referring to villa park. When did we last beat them there ? 90's ?
Most likely.
1998.
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We will play them off the park for 30 mins, go a goal up.
Goes without saying we will lose 1-3 with their annoying as fuck fans pouring on to the pitch when the third goes in. I will hate it, get pissed off and not watch match of the day or any football for a week.
Same as it has been for 20+ years.
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Yes I know. I was referring to villa park. When did we last beat them there ? 90's ?
Most likely.
1998.
Thought it was 95 in the league, "You'll never win anything with kids" match. We did beat them in the Cup under Gregory think that was late 99.
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Yes I know. I was referring to villa park. When did we last beat them there ? 90's ?
Most likely.
1998.
Thought it was 95 in the league, "You'll never win anything with kids" match. We did beat them in the Cup under Gregory think that was late 99.
They had Bosnich in goal who got loads off the Villa fans....
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Might be struggling to make this, I've been roped into working the weekend in Bolton. Along with other posters, I'm not a fan of this game, twunts everywhere who think they own the place. But if we win, I'll be gutted at missing it. Do a late one Friday and sod off about 11 on Saturday, or resign myself in advance to avoiding the annual capitulation; what to do, what to do....
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Benteke in top form could end the Carrick at centre half experiment in spectacular fashion.
Call it blind optimism but I think we are going to do them on Saturday
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The usual form is we play well and it's not good enough or they play badly but it's still good enough. Hopefully the form book will go out of the window.
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We will lose 4-0, that is all.
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All i can say is that, if we find ourselves winning, by three goals or less, with 10 minutes to go, I am going to slap some money on us getting a draw (if it is two or three goals) or a defeat (if it is one goal).
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I've bought a new shirt especially for this historic occasion.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/0aa_zpsaafa2a85.jpg)
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I've bought a new shirt especially for this historic occasion.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/0aa_zpsaafa2a85.jpg)
That's ace, PWS.
What about a half and half shirt to celebrate the Great Man.
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8-0 Villa, we always stuff these.
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A comfortable. 2:2 draw.
ILWT
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I want to see Benteke shoulder barge the fuck out of that overrated midfield plodder Carrick.
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I want to see Benteke shoulder barge the fuck out of that overrated midfield plodder Carrick.
Your failure to recognise the brilliance of Carrick explains why you were the worst ever manager. Carrick is the player Messi wants to be when he grows up.
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A comfortable. 2:2 draw.
ILWT
Can you have a "comfortable draw"?
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I want to see Benteke shoulder barge the fuck out of that overrated midfield plodder Carrick.
Your failure to recognise the brilliance of Carrick explains why you were the worst ever manager. Carrick is the player Messi wants to be when he grows up.
Carrick is the deity God wants to be when he grows up.
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A comfortable. 2:2 draw.
ILWT
Can you have a "comfortable draw"?
When not winning at home in 19 years, yes.
ILWT
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A comfy 3-0 classic for them
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I'd quite like a comfy 3 - 0 classic for us.
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I'd accept a really sh*tty 1-0 to us :)
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A comfortable. 2:2 draw.
ILWT
Can you have a "comfortable draw"?
Yes. I often sketch while wearing loose-fitting trousers.
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All i can say is that, if we find ourselves winning, by three goals or less, with 10 minutes to go, I am going to slap some money on us getting a draw (if it is two or three goals) or a defeat (if it is one goal).
you can then host a Houllier style press conference after you pick up your winnings and tell the world how you always knew it was going to happen
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I know its hopelessly optimistic but I really think we can cause United real problems
Their defence is rubbish. We need to get gabby and benteke in behind their back three.
I think I'd go:
GUZAN - Okore Vlaar clark - Lowton sanchez Delph cissokho - Weimann - gabby benteke
Given herd GREALISH bacuna nzogbia robinson and somebody I've never heard of
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As sure as night follows day, Villa lost at home to Manchester United.
Aston Villa 0-3 Manchester United. All three goals in the first half.
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I have a 4 goal rule whereby I walk out when we concede a 4th as I hate the humiliation. Hopefully I won't have to enforce it tomorrow.
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A comfortable. 2:2 draw.
ILWT
You've been quiet about the Stripeyfilth game. Couldn't you get a decent wifi signal on the way back from West Bromwich?
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A comfortable. 2:2 draw.
ILWT
You've been quiet about the Stripeyfilth game. Couldn't you get a decent wifi signal on the way back from West Bromwich?
He was busy trying to mentally file all the shots on goal we had in chronological order.
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Sadly, we're going to get beaten. :(
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As sure as night follows day, Villa lost at home to Manchester United.
Aston Villa 0-3 Manchester United. All three goals in the first half.
Danny Baker tweeted the following last time we played Manu - "Whenever Villa face Man U they turn into Bob Dylan's backing band. "How do you want us to play, what speed & let us know when it's over."
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It will be their usual B6 stroll, I fear.
1-3
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Welcome to Villa Park.
Help yourselves to three points.
Please don't score too many.
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As sure as night follows day, Villa lost at home to Manchester United.
Aston Villa 0-3 Manchester United. All three goals in the first half.
Danny Baker tweeted the following last time we played Manu - "Whenever Villa face Man U they turn into Bob Dylan's backing band. "How do you want us to play, what speed & let us know when it's over."
I reckon this whole sorry business started when Dwight Yorke decided to sign for them, we seem to have developed a club-wide inferiority complex since the late nineties. Enough's enough, there is no reason on earth why we should be beating this lot. Get stuck in lads and win.
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there is no reason on earth why we should be beating this lot.
I know that was a typo but you have inadvertently hit the nail on the head.
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I remember discharging myself from hospital so I didn't miss this fixture in the late-70's (the 3-2) now I fantasise about being hospitalised so I don't have to go ;-)
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there is no reason on earth why we should be beating this lot.
I know that was a typo but you have inadvertently hit the nail on the head.
I wish my keyboard would over-rule me like this when I make my on-line bets.
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This fixture is the footballing equivalent of Madonna, every year it just gets uglier. 0-3.
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What most important is how we approach the game. If we carry on playing as we have tried to over the last couple of games, trying to keep the ball, pass and move, press higher up and continue to build on that then we will give ourselves a chance of winning. If we revert back to giving them the ball, then we all know how the day will pan out.
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Winter's iron man
Burns away the hot red clouds
Cold summer steals him
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Does anybody else think van Gaal looks like Beaker from the Muppets?
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Does anybody else think van Gaal looks like Beaker from the Muppets?
It would be lovely if he was making the same kind of noises come the final whistle on Saturday.
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Potential good news for Kozak.
Villa will be without eight senior players for the clash with Man Utd - but Fabian Delph and Ron Vlaar look set to be available.
Ashley Westwood [knee] is out with a knee injury while Kieran Richardson, Alan Hutton and Tom Cleverley are all suspended.
Paul Lambert also confirmed in his pre-match media briefing that Joe Cole [hamstring] and Philippe Senderos [calf] - while making good progress - would not be fit to face the Red Devils.
Nathan Baker [knee] was also ruled out by the manager.
On a positive note, Lambert said Libor Kozak [leg] was making definite strides forward in his rehabilitation from the broken leg he suffered on January 2, 2014.
He said: "Philippe is doing well but he's not ready.
"It's too early for Joe. He's doing well but it's too early for him.
"Ashley and Nathan are out.
"Libor is doing alright. He had a scan yesterday.
"The bone is definitely getting stronger and healing.
"He's doing well but he's still a bit away."
Lambert refused to be downbeat, however, about the fitness/suspension news he has received in the past few weeks.
He added: "There's a few out.
"But I am not going to sit here and be negative about it.
"I have total belief that we will go out there and try to win a game of football.
"Fabian is coming back into the fray, Ron is back as well.
"We have got players who can hurt teams as well, that's for sure.
"The team I pick will be strong. We will go and try to win."
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Cissokho first goal, Villa to win 4-0, 3,550-1.
Free money.
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Cissokho first goal, Villa to win 4-0, 3,550-1.
Free money.
Just my luck for there to be a rush on that tip and I'll end up with odds of 2-1
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Does anybody else think van Gaal looks like Beaker from the Muppets?
He does. Danny Alexander always reminds me of Beaker too whenever he pops up pretending not to be a Tory
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I remember watching us beat these on Boxing Day 3-0. Superb Christmas!!
The good news is Bryan Robson won't be playing this time either...
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What most important is how we approach the game. If we carry on playing as we have tried to over the last couple of games, trying to keep the ball, pass and move, press higher up and continue to build on that then we will give ourselves a chance of winning. If we revert back to giving them the ball, then we all know how the day will pan out.
Pass and move ? Press higher up the field ?
I can agree we've tried to keep possession more (largely by Guzan going short around our 18 yard box but in terms of movement and pressing high up the pitch ?? I've seen little of that if I'm honest.
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Perhaps, but keeping possession is a massive improvement over hoofing it. Not least because it gives us a bit of a break from the pressure if we are tapping it about at the back for a while.
At a minimum if we do our damnedest to keep the ball for as long as possible we might keep their scoring down to a respectable loss.
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I know what you mean but the short passing around our 18 yard box seems to play us into trouble rather than alleviate it.
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Does anybody else think van Gaal looks like Beaker from the Muppets?
He does. Danny Alexander always reminds me of Beaker too whenever he pops up pretending not to be a Tory
There can be but one.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/09/article-0-19309729000005DC-235_306x423.jpg)
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Cissokho first goal, Villa to win 4-0, 3,550-1.
Free money.
I wish you hadn't posted that.
I read it, chuckle, then think "oh, fuck, what happens if that REALLY turns out to be the case and i ignored it?"
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Carrick to inevitably score first yet us to run out inevitable 4-1 winners.
4050/1
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Double: Carrick first scorer for Man United, Beckford first scorer for Preston
TWENTY BILLION TO ONE
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Double: Carrick first scorer for Man United, Beckford first scorer for Preston
TWENTY BILLION TO ONE
Stranger things have happened.
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Altidore to score for anyone in 2015. 500000000000000000000000000000000000000/1
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Benteke in top form could end the Carrick at centre half experiment in spectacular fashion.
Call it blind optimism but I think we are going to do them on Saturday
That's the spirit Bronte and I'm going to go with this as well.
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Benteke will score the first if he is being marked by that Gerodie strip of piss.
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Bit concerned about di Maria exploiting the colossal amount of space that always seems to be around Matt Lowton, but still think we can get something from this.
2-2, with entertaining, free-flowing football...
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I really do hope thast Benteke bullies their back three into submission.
However, I shall do what I usually do when these ba*****s come into town and avoid all football for the 90 minutes. I will then go to Live Score and just hope, although it's the hope that will kill me during the 90 minutes.
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Might be struggling to make this, I've been roped into working the weekend in Bolton. Along with other posters, I'm not a fan of this game, twunts everywhere who think they own the place. But if we win, I'll be gutted at missing it. Do a late one Friday and sod off about 11 on Saturday, or resign myself in advance to avoiding the annual capitulation; what to do, what to do....
Got no chance of making it. Come on, Villa, piss me off for the right reason.
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Mr Shin has asked me to pick him up a half-and-half scarf to commemorate this momentous game
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My favourite bet, Villa to be winning at half time but lose at full time is always around 28/1, sometimes as high as 30/1.
I will definitely be having some of that this weekend.
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I really do hope thast Benteke bullies their back three into submission.
However, I shall do what I usually do when these ba*****s come into town and avoid all football for the 90 minutes. I will then go to Live Score and just hope, although it's the hope that will kill me during the 90 minutes.
Better to avoid football for 98 minutes, just in case we're winning.
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I hate this fixture - seeing that lot celebrating churns my guts over.
With all of the injuries, suspensions etc., the only way I can see of getting a result is to go all out attack from the start and hammering their defence. Undoubtedly we will concede in however the game is approached.
Would our manager consider such a bold tactic?
Would he bollocks!
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Mr Shin has asked me to pick him up a half-and-half scarf to commemorate this momentous game
With a portrait of Carrick in the middle as a symbol of Worldwide regard for his universal appeal and genius.
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My favourite bet, Villa to be winning at half time but lose at full time is always around 28/1, sometimes as high as 30/1.
I will definitely be having some of that this weekend.
Yes that's a good bet .
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Now the featured match in the US live on NBC Sports Network at 10am EST.
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Mr Shin has asked me to pick him up a half-and-half scarf to commemorate this momentous game
Can you get Magic Michael to sign it for me?
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Sorry if it has been mentioned earlier in the thread,but has anyone else noticed that tomorrows referee Lee Mason comes from Bolton,Greater Manchester . Here's hoping he is a man city fan.
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Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal has confirmed Marouane Fellaini is ill which means he could miss the game against Aston Villa tomorrow.
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Lawro's Predictions: This week vs Olly Murs.
And what a surprise! The ****** is a Man Utd supporter from Essex.
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Now the featured match in the US live on NBC Sports Network at 10am EST.
Oh goody. Another opportunity for ManU to pick up some more fans over here.
I suppose I might get some recognition for a week with the old "Oh yeah wasn't it your team that lost 5-0 to 'United' over the weekend?" followed by a pause realizing I might feel bad and then an attempt to make me feel better with some soccer insight such as "That De Maria sure is a good player eh?"
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I imagine this feels like the night before the guillotine in 14th century france.
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???
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I imagine this feels like the night before the guillotine in 14th century france.
***PEDANT ALERT***
More like 18th Century France.
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I imagine this feels like the night before the guillotine in 14th century france.
***PEDANT ALERT***
More like 18th Century France.
That's not really pedantry, that's just general 'not being thick'.
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You better go out there tomorrow and look to get at them Lambert. I feel queasy having read the Essex Reds opinions on their forums. You should be going balls deep to win this and right some cosmic wrongs.
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Guillotine = football match. That's not being melodramatic at all now is it?
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Sort of dreading the smug expressions of the twats sat all around me when they get their inevitable win, but also looking forward to the celebrations of the regulars who "sit" next to me who I've come to love and know over the past few years as we show these fu**ers we're no pushover!
Is this reasonable behaviour for a 60 year old?
UTV!
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Fuck this white flag waving. We're going to win tomorrow!
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ps: I'm a Gemini. Apparently.
The other half thinks this explains everything.
I think it's bollocks.
Subtle difference?
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Lawro's Predictions: This week vs Olly Murs.
And what a surprise! The c*** is a Man Utd supporter from Essex.
And what's an "Olly Murs"?
A disease?
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I imagine this feels like the night before the guillotine in 14th century france.
***PEDANT ALERT***
More like 18th Century France.
That's not really pedantry, that's just general 'not being thick'.
Tbh, I was being polite
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It's not so much the loosing to them that fuck me off but the lack of spirit we usually show when they come to the park.Is there anyone in the world that we could hire tomorrow to actually fire us up for the game.Lambert won't do it , that's for sure.
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It's not so much the loosing to them that fuck me off but the lack of spirit we usually show when they come to the park.Is there anyone in the world that we could hire tomorrow to actually fire us up for the game.Lambert won't do it , that's for sure.
It is the fact that over the years we fans have created the atmosphere required for 19 years but the response has never resulted in a win.
We go again...
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Attack. Attack. Attack attack attack. Attack. Attack. Attack attack attack.
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It's not so much the loosing to them that fuck me off but the lack of spirit we usually show when they come to the park.Is there anyone in the world that we could hire tomorrow to actually fire us up for the game.Lambert won't do it , that's for sure.
My mate John.
Usually after 5/6 pints AFTER the game! That's when he's a real expert!
Not quite so good BEFORE.
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Attack. Attack. Attack attack attack. Attack. Attack. Attack attack attack.
I remember the days when we used to sing this PWS.
Lambert won't know anything about it...in any way, shape or form.
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Bloody hell, just read a few threads and lets hope the Villa players havent
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Attack. Attack. Attack attack attack. Attack. Attack. Attack attack attack.
I remember the days when we used to sing this PWS.
Lambert won't know anything about it...in any way, shape or form.
Don't think i've heard it since The Holte got knocked down.
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The way things are, we get our best results when the opposition of whatever level is overconfident and thinks they can forget our strengths and weaknesses. Norwich, Sunderland, Liverpool, Man City all fit the bill.
Based on their recent form and LVG's comments about playing style this week, we might be playing them at the right time. Certainly, we will have some chances. If we make them count it could be our day.
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It wunt me mate.
Honest.
Coincidence?
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Just read on BBC that Man U's unbeaten run at Villa Park is the longest in top flight history. That goes back to 1888 fer God's sake.
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It wunt me mate.
Honest.
Coincidence?
Tell me what you mean and I will reply?
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Just read on BBC that Man U's unbeaten run at Villa Park is the longest in top flight history. That goes back to 1888 fer God's sake.
Lambert likes breaking club records. I sure hope he breaks this one tomorrow.
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Just read on BBC that Man U's unbeaten run at Villa Park is the longest in top flight history. That goes back to 1888 fer God's sake.
Lambert likes breaking club records. I sure hope he breaks this one tomorrow.
And is that Lamberts fault ?
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I apologise Pat McMahohon, you were being positive. From your name I am sure we have seen good times, and bad times. Sorry I read your comment wrong
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As every year, I reckon we'll win. Won't stop me dreading looking for the result when I get up in the morning though.
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Forget about blues and boing boing baggies, this club is the real scum.
Beat them Villa, please.
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Just watching Football Today, Phil Neville said at Manure they always looked at the fixtures to see when they were playing Aston Villa-the pitch was always perfect and we knew we'd win!!!!!
Please Villa beat these arse holes!!!!
UTV
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Just read on BBC that Man U's unbeaten run at Villa Park is the longest in top flight history. That goes back to 1888 fer God's sake.
Lambert likes breaking club records. I sure hope he breaks this one tomorrow.
And is that Lamberts fault ?
No. There are one or Two other stats on there which he has contributed too mind.
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Always a shock in the league the weekend before Christmas.
I'm going for a holte end goal and a brave defeat
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A draw is as good as it gets..as long as Lambert does not rake up the classic McL quote..'a draw against a team of this calibre is a win in my book'.
I will watch optimistically, as always, in a corner of a foreign field.. I remember in late 60's Georgie Best buying rounds in The Holte rather than turn out for the game..different times..can't remember the result that time. They had a lookalike on the pitch for them and he eventually came to us; Willie Anderson?. I wonder if we will see any potential January discards today?
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I find them even more annoying at the moment as 50% of their side is utter dog shit, yet they've spawned their way to results they had no right to win. Any other club last week would have been beaten by Liverpool, yet Sterling rounds the keeper and some how still misses.
I could take it previously, when they were the best side in the country, but this current lot are a bunch of chancers. Johnny Evans at the back? Ashley bird shit eating Young at wing back?! Fuck off.
Positivity Villa. Make the pitch as small as possible and press the life out of the vile brand FC. The hopes of football in this country rest on these twats finishing 5th or lower. So let's do what Arsenal, Southampton and Liverpool should have and beat them. They've got it coming.
And if somebody could kick that granny fucking ring piece as well, then that would be great.
#keepthosecockneycuntsoffourpitch
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Forget about blues and boing boing baggies, this club is the real scum.
Beat them Villa, please.
Couldnt agree more,Id rather lose to Blues and Baggies than this lot.
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That's a good point Ads. I'm not sure what makes me feel more nauseous, the annual capitulation on the pitch, or watching their scummy fans being allowed to take the piss by jumping over the barriers on the touch line when they score.
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Forget about blues and boing boing baggies, this club is the real scum.
Beat them Villa, please.
Fail to agree. Losing to SHA is the lowest of the low. Smethick I agree though.
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Can't shake the feeling that with Vlaar back we'll go 5-3-2.
gabby benteke
delph sanchez bacuna
cissoku lowton
clark vlaar okore
Guzan
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A draw is as good as it gets..as long as Lambert does not rake up the classic McL quote..'a draw against a team of this calibre is a win in my book'.
I will watch optimistically, as always, in a corner of a foreign field.. I remember in late 60's Georgie Best buying rounds in The Holte rather than turn out for the game..different times..can't remember the result that time. They had a lookalike on the pitch for them and he eventually came to us; Willie Anderson?. I wonder if we will see any potential January discards today?
What like Tom Cleverley? He's not allowed to play and is banned.
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I shall be in London during this one. I hope for a surprise Villa win!
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------- Guzan --------
Lowton vlaar (c). Okore cissoko
----Delph ------ Sanchez ----
Grealish ------------ Weimann --
----- Gabby ------ Benteke ----
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Can't shake the feeling that with Vlaar back we'll go 5-3-2.
gabby benteke
delph sanchez bacuna
cissoku lowton
clark vlaar okore
Guzan
this, but with Weimann instead of Gabby
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Can't shake the feeling that with Vlaar back we'll go 5-3-2.
gabby benteke
delph sanchez bacuna
cissoku lowton
clark vlaar okore
Guzan
this, but with Weimann instead of Gabby
I agree. Gabby to come on and run at them with 20 minutes to go to protect our two goal lead for once. Clark sitting in front of the other two centrebacks with the job of bringing the ball out of defence.
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Anyone else worried we're gonna get thrashed today?
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Anyone else worried we're gonna get thrashed today?
No. Draw at worst.
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It wunt me mate.
Honest.
Coincidence?
Tell me what you mean and I will reply?
Reference to PWS's comment about the Holte being knocked down...
...it's okay mate, not worth it.
Attack, attack, attack attack attack!
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Anyone else worried we're gonna get thrashed today?
I don't think they'll thrash us. I think it will be another heartbreaking loss where they come from behind and score the winner in the last minute and their plastic touristy fans are allowed to run in the playing area.
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Anyone else worried we're gonna get thrashed today?
I don't think they'll thrash us. I think it will be another heartbreaking loss where they come from behind and score the winner in the last minute and their plastic touristy fans are allowed to run in the playing area.
Totally agree. Was discussing this with my Man U supporting boss the other day. Told him that whatever happens they will win. For example we could batter them for 85 mins and then fall to a sucker punch at the death. He sniggered smugly at the concept of us battering Man U.
William Hill offering 8/13 for a Man U win.
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Anyone know whether you have to pay to get into the Holte pub, or the suite under the Holte end? Im not a season ticket holder
Also Do you have to pay to get in the Aston Tavern
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Anyone know whether you have to pay to get into the Holte pub, or the suite under the Holte end? Im not a season ticket holder
Also Do you have to pay to get in the Aston Tavern
Aston Tavern £3
The other two are ST only I think ?
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Forget about blues and boing boing baggies, this club is the real scum.
Beat them Villa, please.
Couldnt agree more,Id rather lose to Blues and Baggies than this lot.
Not a chance. Man Utd are 100 miles or so away, and a defeat against Small Heath sticks in the throat more than any other defeat for me.
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Yes but you are in the Midlands world where Villa are still the top club amongst the dross. Outside that area we are viewed as another one of the smaller clubs who make up the numbers and are there to be cannon fodder to their superstars.
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Forget about blues and boing boing baggies, this club is the real scum.
Beat them Villa, please.
Couldnt agree more,Id rather lose to Blues and Baggies than this lot.
Not a chance. Man Utd are 100 miles or so away, and a defeat against Small Heath sticks in the throat more than any other defeat for me.
Agreed sh...would love to wipe the smugness from ManU faces, but I'm still hurting from last Saturday's result...and to lose to THEM is just unthinkable!
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2-1 to the Villa today. Merry Christmas.
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Anyone know whether you have to pay to get into the Holte pub, or the suite under the Holte end? Im not a season ticket holder
Also Do you have to pay to get in the Aston Tavern
Anyone can get into the Holte Suite for free at halftime, there's a door in the bottom left corner of the Holte (as you face from the outside) and they let in something like 500 people from the concourse.
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You wouldn't be surprised to know that I didn't see a single Yanited coach on the way down south.
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A bit nervous now. I've had two shits already :(
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You wouldn't be surprised to know that I didn't see a single Yanited coach on the way down south.
I didn't see any heading north on the M5 either. They must all have used the M40/M42
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I was pleased to add "Cockney Red" to my list of reasons to slap Olly Murs' slappable face after his appearance on Football Focus today.