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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: QBVILLA on December 08, 2014, 10:14:58 AM
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I've seen this on a few sites this morning. Anyone know if there is any truth in this and if so, what are the thoughts on it? Personally i'd be pleased with the appointment.
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I've seen this on a few sites this morning.
Any links?
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On Facebook fan pages. Can't put the links on as i'm using the work PC and it's blocked by Websense.
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The Mirror are also saying it as well.
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I think he would be a decent appointment. Maybe Lambert was unable to convince Pep when he visited Bayern last week?
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What does TBAR say?
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By all accounts he's a very good coach, which is something we've needed for some time
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What does TBAR say?
Guess they're waiting for us all to get a cup of tea and sit down for the HUGE announcement...
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I'd be happy with this.
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What does TBAR say?
Three of them are in favour, the other two online didn't comment.
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It wouldn't be the worst timing in the world either.
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Should be able to understand each other coming from the same side of the border ;D
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I'd be really happy with this. I always though t West Brom looked organised under him, and it was only went they were unable to hold onto Lukaku that they lacked a cutting-edge.
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I've seen this on a few sites this morning. Anyone know if there is any truth in this and if so, what are the thoughts on it? Personally i'd be pleased with the appointment.
Well, now that Ads is out of the running, it would be a pretty good move
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Hopefully there is a something to this rumour. A very highly respected coach by all accounts.
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Would be fantastic if true.
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Hopefully there is a something to this rumour. A very highly respected coach by all accounts.
Yep, he's held coaching positions at some of the top clubs, so I think it would be a good appointment. It would be interesting timing considering where we are playing at the weekend!!
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I've seen this on a few sites this morning. Anyone know if there is any truth in this and if so, what are the thoughts on it? Personally i'd be pleased with the appointment.
Well, now that Ads is out of the running, it would be a pretty good move
Clarke out!
Justice for the Ads 1!
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Any relation to Kieran Clarke?
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Would be a great appointment.
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It would be funny if Steve Clarke is our assistant manager as we roll into The Hawthorns
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He has a good reputation as a coach, and was harshly sacked by Albion when the bullet came. Would be a very interesting one, and much more of a threat to Lambert than Keane ever was I reckon.
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He has a good reputation as a coach, and was harshly sacked by Albion when the bullet came. Would be a very interesting one, and much more of a threat to Lambert than Keane ever was I reckon.
or an asset
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Nope I was happy with "threat"
I am not sure Lambert would go for him.
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What does TBAR say?
They was so excited and it caused an upsurge in the sale of digestive biscuits.
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Nope I was happy with "threat"
I am not sure Lambert would go for him.
I'm not sure he can be considered a threat, if he comes in and does what he'd be brought in to do Lambert's position becomes safer and we effectively have a scout and a coach as the management team, which should work well.
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Really hope this is true. He's a better manager than Lambert so maybe he can take over when Lambert's nine lives run out.
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Cue Ringo-style 'He's not the best manager in the world...' gags.
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We desperately need a football man at the club and Clarke is certainly that. He'd certainly bring Villa into the 21st century. Only downside is he may also be the man to save Lambert's bacon.
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We desperately need a football man at the club and Clarke is certainly that. He'd certainly bring Villa into the 21st century. Only downside is he may also be the man to save Lambert's bacon.
but what happens TSOV if they sizzle like Bacon and Eggs al la Shaw and Withe style :) surely we will all be happy ?
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The only downside to Clarke coming in is if we start to improve and he gets offered a managerial role on the back of it, we'll be back to square one again. That's the only downside though because he is a decent training ground coach by all accounts.
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If things start to improve Clarke wouldn't get offered the manager's role as it would be taken that the Lambert/Clarke combo was working. It would be only if things didn't improve that Clarke would become a threat, as at Liverpool when Roy Evans and Gerard Houllier shared the manager's responsibility for a while.
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The only downside to Clarke coming in is if we start to improve and he gets offered a managerial role on the back of it, we'll be back to square one again. That's the only downside though because he is a decent training ground coach by all accounts.
You could say that about any manager/coach/player. If they do well someone else will want them.
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Let's not re-write history here. His record as manager of West Brom was ok:
From To G W D L Win %
8 June 2012 14 December 2013 59 19 14 26 32.20
I'd welcome him as a coach, but not as a future manager, We need to be thinking a bit more creatively than Steve Clarke
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Let's not re-write history here. His record as manager of West Brom was ok:
From To G W D L Win %
8 June 2012 14 December 2013 59 19 14 26 32.20
I'd welcome him as a coach, but not as a future manager, We need to be thinking a bit more creatively than Steve Clarke
As we'd be hiring him as a coach there isn't much to worry about. I also don't see any re-writing of history as pretty much everyone has said he's a good coach, average manager.
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We desperately need a football man at the club and Clarke is certainly that. He'd certainly bring Villa into the 21st century. Only downside is he may also be the man to save Lambert's bacon.
but what happens TSOV if they sizzle like Bacon and Eggs al la Shaw and Withe style :) surely we will all be happy ?
Lambert's more your lard fried bread than something as delicious as bacon. Even if Clarke gets the team playing well, I'm guessing Lambert will still want to give the half time talk.
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Well, Mourinho genuinely rates him as a coach, so that bodes well.
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Let's not re-write history here. His record as manager of West Brom was ok:
From To G W D L Win %
8 June 2012 14 December 2013 59 19 14 26 32.20
I'd welcome him as a coach, but not as a future manager, We need to be thinking a bit more creatively than Steve Clarke
Ah, but he wasn't manager there, was he? West Brazil are far too sophisticated to employ such an outdated idea.
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Let's not re-write history here. His record as manager of West Brom was ok:
From To G W D L Win %
8 June 2012 14 December 2013 59 19 14 26 32.20
I'd welcome him as a coach, but not as a future manager, We need to be thinking a bit more creatively than Steve Clarke
As we'd be hiring him as a coach there isn't much to worry about. I also don't see any re-writing of history as pretty much everyone has said he's a good coach, average manager.
Indeed, Mr Shin. Clarke as coach as won two league titles, two League Cups and an FA Cup as well as taking Newcastle to the final. Even at little West Brom, as manager he took them up to 8th, their highest league finish in almost 1,274 years.
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Slight aside but I saw Alan irvine desperately trying to park yesterday round the back of the north stand at about 350 pm. I tried to direct him back out towards the Witton rd exit but he was having none of it.
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Well in my opinion, despite yesterday, Lambert is still a poor manager but Steve Clarke is an excellent coach with a CV to prove it. Well thought of by the top class players he has coached in the past. Get him in quick.
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He'd be an excellent appointment. Can he just stick to coaching now that he's had the top job? Not sure. He would make more difference than Roy Keane. I would say his expertise is more in helping to mould a solid and organised side. That may not necessarily translate into making us better to watch, or less defensive.
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It'd be quite funny if we appointed him to be able to point out to Baggies fans that someone who was good enough to be their Manager (or Head Coach or whatever it is this week) is only good enough to be assistant to Lambert at a big club.
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Are there actually any reports of this happening or just Twitter etc?
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He has a good reputation as a coach, and was harshly sacked by Albion when the bullet came. Would be a very interesting one, and much more of a threat to Lambert than Keane ever was I reckon.
He wasn't harshly sacked at all - he had won something like 7 of his last 41 and performances were getting worse each week.
Apart from the opening three months which were really enjoyable the rest of his tenure was bloody awful.
He then did himself no favour when he questioned the board (which I agreed with).
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West Yoyo Albion finish 8th and sack the manager 4 months later and we are known as fickle?
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Would be much happier with this than Keane coming.
Steve Clarke is a very well respected coach and if Lambert did get sacked I'd be happy with him filling in for a bit as I thought he was very unlucky to be sacked at WBA.
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I think Lambert could do with some extra help and I would be happy with Clarke filling the role of assistant manager/head coach - cant be any less effective than Keane
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Any truth in this or is it speculation?
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I have not seen anything at all in the news about it, so I would guess speculation.
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Him and Lambert are good mates aren't they so natural when you need to fill a vacancy quickly you give him a ring with him out of football.
Whether he wants it or not or is waiting to get back in as a number one somewhere isn't known.
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He was asked about his future by BT when he was on before the west brom arsenal game a few weeks back and he said he wouldn't rule out going back to being an assistant if he thought that it was the right move for him.
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It all sounds a bit too much like wishful thinking to me.
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Really hope this is true. He's a better manager than Lambert so maybe he can take over when Lambert's nine lives run out.
Not sure about that. His record in the last 6 months was woeful hence the bullet.
Looks to be a better coach than manager and theres nothing wrong woth that
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Let's not re-write history here. His record as manager of West Brom was ok:
From To G W D L Win %
8 June 2012 14 December 2013 59 19 14 26 32.20
I'd welcome him as a coach, but not as a future manager, We need to be thinking a bit more creatively than Steve Clarke
As we'd be hiring him as a coach there isn't much to worry about. I also don't see any re-writing of history as pretty much everyone has said he's a good coach, average manager.
Isn't he thought of as a good coach because he was coaching good Chelsea players, but thought of as an average manager because he was managing average West Brom players?
I'm guessing that had he been coaching West Brom and managing Chelsea then the accepted wisdom might be different.
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Let's not re-write history here. His record as manager of West Brom was ok:
From To G W D L Win %
8 June 2012 14 December 2013 59 19 14 26 32.20
I'd welcome him as a coach, but not as a future manager, We need to be thinking a bit more creatively than Steve Clarke
As we'd be hiring him as a coach there isn't much to worry about. I also don't see any re-writing of history as pretty much everyone has said he's a good coach, average manager.
Isn't he thought of as a good coach because he was coaching good Chelsea players, but thought of as an average manager because he was managing average West Brom players?
I'm guessing that had he been coaching West Brom and managing Chelsea then the accepted wisdom might be different.
He isnt good enough to be a coach at chelski. Out of work for a year now.
I would be happy for him to be our number two but not as manager
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Let's not re-write history here. His record as manager of West Brom was ok:
From To G W D L Win %
8 June 2012 14 December 2013 59 19 14 26 32.20
I'd welcome him as a coach, but not as a future manager, We need to be thinking a bit more creatively than Steve Clarke
As we'd be hiring him as a coach there isn't much to worry about. I also don't see any re-writing of history as pretty much everyone has said he's a good coach, average manager.
Isn't he thought of as a good coach because he was coaching good Chelsea players, but thought of as an average manager because he was managing average West Brom players?
I'm guessing that had he been coaching West Brom and managing Chelsea then the accepted wisdom might be different.
That's pretty much bang on the bloody nail Dave!
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He isnt good enough to be a coach at chelski. Out of work for a year now.
So he was good enough to coach them when they won two titles before, but isn't now? What do you think has changed?
Presumably you don't think that he is now a worse coach than he was a decade ago just because Gareth McAuley isn't as good as John Terry
This is the whole point - it's nigh-on impossible to tell the impact that one person has, because the performance of a club depends on far more than one person. Whether they are a coach or a manager.
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Would be delighted with Clarke. Great second in command. Might be a bit of stability behind Lambert. A good sounding board for him. Might coach us out of sitting back when we go ahead.
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Let's not re-write history here. His record as manager of West Brom was ok:
From To G W D L Win %
8 June 2012 14 December 2013 59 19 14 26 32.20
I'd welcome him as a coach, but not as a future manager, We need to be thinking a bit more creatively than Steve Clarke
As we'd be hiring him as a coach there isn't much to worry about. I also don't see any re-writing of history as pretty much everyone has said he's a good coach, average manager.
Isn't he thought of as a good coach because he was coaching good Chelsea players, but thought of as an average manager because he was managing average West Brom players?
I'm guessing that had he been coaching West Brom and managing Chelsea then the accepted wisdom might be different.
Not really. Its like saying someone was good in a film because Robert De Niro was acting beside him but was a shit director because he had Danny Dyer to work with. Coaching and managing are two distinct jobs and being adept at one has nothing to do with who you're working with but how you can do your job.
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If this is true I would be happy with Clarke as he has a very good track record as a number two. I just don't see any truth to it because now that he has had a taste at being a number one and was quite good at it I don't think he would want to go back to being a number two.
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Coaching and managing are two distinct jobs and being adept at one has nothing to do with who you're working with but how you can do your job.
I agree entirely. I just don't think that there is enough evidence available to definitively say that he is adept at one and inept at the other.
Taking West Brom to eighth and then being sacked halfway through the following season doesn't mean that he is a good manager, but I certainly don't think it's enough evidence to say that he is a bad one.
Just like coaching Terry, Robben and Drogba to the title doesn't necessarily mean he's a great coach. Particularly when his other experience of the role are coaching West Ham to relegation and coaching that eighth placed Andy Carroll/Kenny Dalglish Liverpool team.
I just don't see what evidence people can point at to say that he is good at one and bad at the other.
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I have not seen anything at all in the news about it, so I would guess speculation.
Daily Mirror had it, but then again they could have just picked it up of Twatter.
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I have not seen anything at all in the news about it, so I would guess speculation.
Daily Mirror had it, but then again they could have just picked it up of Twatter.
That would be my guess. It's just one endlessly repeated line "Steve Clarke in the frame to become new assistant manager at Aston Villa". No quotes from anyone, no news of any contact, in fact no detail whatsoever, just that. This whole thread could have fitted into one or two posts in "Transfer Rumours".
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If this is true I would be happy with Clarke as he has a very good track record as a number two. I just don't see any truth to it because now that he has had a taste at being a number one and was quite good at it I don't think he would want to go back to being a number two.
At the end of the day they're just job titles. It's how the roles are divvied up between the manager and coach which should matter to any candidate.
It might be that Lambert sees himself as more of a DoF and is happy to give his assistant more power than the traditional roles. The fact that he/we previously attracted Keane suggests that the assistant manager role might be more than normal.
I hope so, as it would partially explain/excuse the void of footballing style on the pitch and somewhat justify the half decent scouting and the odd fact that there is no footballing know-how higher than the manager.
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He has a good reputation as a coach, and was harshly sacked by Albion when the bullet came. Would be a very interesting one, and much more of a threat to Lambert than Keane ever was I reckon.
He wasn't harshly sacked at all - he had won something like 7 of his last 41 and performances were getting worse each week.
Apart from the opening three months which were really enjoyable the rest of his tenure was bloody awful.
He then did himself no favour when he questioned the board (which I agreed with).
Thanks for the insight. A West Brom friend of mine was also very quick to correct me when I said it was a huge mistake to fire him and then pointed out his actual record. I was shocked.
For us I would rather a more modern coach. However He and Lambert do get along together (according to Lambert anyway) so we may end up with him. Not my first choice for sure.
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Coaching and managing are two distinct jobs and being adept at one has nothing to do with who you're working with but how you can do your job.
I agree entirely. I just don't think that there is enough evidence available to definitively say that he is adept at one and inept at the other.
Taking West Brom to eighth and then being sacked halfway through the following season doesn't mean that he is a good manager, but I certainly don't think it's enough evidence to say that he is a bad one.
Just like coaching Terry, Robben and Drogba to the title doesn't necessarily mean he's a great coach. Particularly when his other experience of the role are coaching West Ham to relegation and coaching that eighth placed Andy Carroll/Kenny Dalglish Liverpool team.
I just don't see what evidence people can point at to say that he is good at one and bad at the other.
I'm just going on the opinion of others. you don't get to be a coach at the top clubs and get glowing recommendations from managers if you're not good enough to do what you're doing. you earn your place you're not jettisoned into it with the top teams/clubs. And to be fair he made his name as an assistant manager at a few clubs. newcastle, Chelsea, liverpool so it's probably closer to the point to compare him with a Peter Taylor.
Also, from the outside looking in it looked like a terrible decision to sack him from the Albion but reading on here, and the Albion fan's I know, not many seemed to be shedding tears at his dismissal.
As an assistant I think I'd be inclined to have a punt on him - certainly seems a better fit than Roy Keane in any case and has a better coaching/assist.managing CV than the irishman.
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I would say Clarke was unfairly sacked at WBA. No matter how bad the run was at the time he had a very good first season, and was bearly half way into his second so deserved longer to turn it around.
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Admit to being surprised at his being kicked out - thought he was their best long term bet at making progress.
But it's the Boggies - with the greatest of respect, I only wish the worst for them.
They know what they are you know.
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looks like he is taking over at Reading...
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Shame - just what we could have done with imo
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Looks like he is off the list then.
Who else is there? Given our new style of play, I do hope a fairly progressive coach is being sough.
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As usual this appears to be dragging on. The list must be Santa length.
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How long do we give it before someone posts on here about "how far we have fallen that we can't even compete with Reading now"?
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How long do we give it before someone posts on here about "how far we have fallen that we can't even compete with Reading now"?
To be far, it is yet another humiliation for this once great club as a club ffs.
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Your right DrGonzo it does appear to be dragging on. There again would you want to work along aside Lambert? can't see there being a queue
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No new assistant before 2015 then?
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No new assistant before 2015 then?
Who knows. There appears to be no urgency regarding anything at the club. No coaches. Some of our better players will go to on a free, it may or may not have been possible to change their minds but they should have been approached with deals well before the last 12 months of their contracts. I'm of the opinion Delph would have signed this time last year, now he's on the England radar and will walk.
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When did all the coaches leave?
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When did all the coaches leave?
Don't we have a Goalkeeper coach and a Defensive coach?
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When did all the coaches leave?
Don't we have a Goalkeeper coach and a Defensive coach?
So we have coaches then. As far as I know we have coaches for all positions, the only thing we don't have is an assistant manager. It's the "No coaches" comment that I don't get.
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We have coaches for the midfielders and forwards?
As far as I know the defense is coached by another of Lamberts Norwich cronies with very little experience.
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When did all the coaches leave?
Don't we have a Goalkeeper coach and a Defensive coach?
So we have coaches then. As far as I know we have coaches for all positions, the only thing we don't have is an assistant manager. It's the "No coaches" comment that I don't get.
If Lambert is away like the other week who will be running training?
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We have coaches for the midfielders and forwards?
As far as I know the defense is coached by another of Lamberts Norwich cronies with very little experience.
We did at the open day. Whether they are good enough etc is a different matter, but I don't agree that we have no coaches.
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When did all the coaches leave?
Don't we have a Goalkeeper coach and a Defensive coach?
So we have coaches then. As far as I know we have coaches for all positions, the only thing we don't have is an assistant manager. It's the "No coaches" comment that I don't get.
Well we lost an assistant ( Ian Culverhouse ) and first team coach (Gary Karsa) last year; and after losing Keane I assume they have not been replaced?
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When did all the coaches leave?
Don't we have a Goalkeeper coach and a Defensive coach?
So we have coaches then. As far as I know we have coaches for all positions, the only thing we don't have is an assistant manager. It's the "No coaches" comment that I don't get.
If Lambert is away like the other week who will be running training?
If I had to guess i'd say Marshall.
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Doubt he's going to be assistant to Lambert and the new Reading manager!
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Steve Round I reckon.
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With how we play, I think the only coach we have is a 52 seater.
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There's two coaches called Marshall marshalling the team at the moment. Maybe we could get Ian in as a striker coach too. Like Beckford, he certainly knew how to bang 'em in while at Leicester. Mullet-tastic too. Would be an improvement on Keane's bear-beard.
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Someone on talkshite said that Ted E. Sherry-Numb rolls in to Ve Aymers once a week on his Harley Davidson and coaches the strikers for half an hour.