Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on December 01, 2014, 12:05:43 AM
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With added talking points.
http://thebirminghampress.com/2014/12/its-grim-up-north-down-south-and-in-the-middle/
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Radical idea there Dave - think I'd prefer p45 Lambert but if Randy trusts him it'd be an interesting curve ball
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What would be the point in effectively promoting someone to do a job because he failed in the last one?
I think we need a football man upstairs first and for him to help select the next coach /manager.
But Lambert has to go.
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Sorry to be a pedant but we've led going in to the last 10 minutes in 3 of the last 4 (West Ham was 0-0 and after the Spurs game).
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Sorry Dave, but while I agree with most of the points in the article, the one shout about moving Lambert upstairs is bonkers. He's been dismal at all areas of the game, so who would want to take advice from him?
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Moving him upstairs smacks of 'We like you, really like you and feel bad about sacking you, so we're not sacking you but giving you a different thing here. But if you want to leave, you know, that's fine too. Up to you".
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So so is this your sitting on the fence kind of way of saying you'd sack Lambert?
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So so is this your sitting on the fence kind of way of saying you'd sack Lambert?
He's already said that a few weeks ago with a "taxi for Lambert" headline in the actual article (think it was after the Spurs game.)
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So so is this your sitting on the fence kind of way of saying you'd sack Lambert?
I think the narrative was, as always, it things continue like this etc etc etc.
I just wondered when that line is, was, or will be crossed.
I asked last week but got no reply. If your saying that DW said Lambert should have been sacked after the Spuds game then fine. I must have missed it.
He's already said that a few weeks ago with a "taxi for Lambert" headline in the actual article (think it was after the Spurs game.)
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Sorry to be a pedant but we've led going in to the last 10 minutes in 3 of the last 4 (West Ham was 0-0 and after the Spurs game).
Says it all doesn't it? Lets call it the 'fog of war'.
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Much cleaner and more practical if he just goes. Moving him upstairs does sound like the mad sort of thing Lerner may do though.
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Is it obsessive to want the best for your club by ousting a moribund, hopeless manager?
As for kicking upstairs - ridiculous idea.
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I'm not sold on the Lambert upstairs idea either, mainly because I don't like the idea of having a 'coach'. I think manager's should be allowed to bring their own players in.
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Is it obsessive to want the best for your club by ousting a moribund, hopeless manager?
As for kicking upstairs - ridiculous idea.
Try reading the article properly - the word "obsession" is used in the context of appointing the football man that's so often called for.
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I am not sure that Lambert could or should stay at the club in any role, it's not like he has had a successful reign as manager and is making way for a new man. He has been failure so would lose any credibility he has left.
Other than that, good article Dave.
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So so is this your sitting on the fence kind of way of saying you'd sack Lambert?
He's already said that a few weeks ago with a "taxi for Lambert" headline in the actual article (think it was after the Spurs game.)
I think the narrative was, as always, it things continue like this etc etc etc.
I just wondered when that line is, was, or will be crossed.
I asked last week but got no reply. If your saying that DW said Lambert should have been sacked after the Spuds game then fine. I must have missed it.I've just checked, it was after QPR.
The words "Lambert should be sacked," aren't used directly, but I don't think that there's much interpretation required. (DW - Apologies if I'm attributing a point of view you don't actually hold. I'll just blame it on only having Carlsberg and Danish Snaps to fall back on)
Just checked - it was after QPR.
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Moving him upstairs smacks of 'We like you, really like you and feel bad about sacking you, so we're not sacking you but giving you a different thing here. But if you want to leave, you know, that's fine too. Up to you".
So what would you prefer peter w, "Fu*k Off Lambert!" ?
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Another good read Dave.
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Move him upstairs? No thanks. It would serve no useful purpose.
Who will be the new assistant? Who knows?
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Thing is even if Lambert had not been doing such a poor job these last two years he would still be the wrong choice for the director of Football style role, that should go to someone with more experience for a start. Besides that one point I agree with just about everything else.
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I just think he's too young to be upstairs and probably doesn't want his managerial career to end at Villa. He'll want to rebuild it somewhere I'd have thought. Interesting concept because as we know not all good players make good managers. Randy has a lot of trust in him so would listen to him and maybe he'd be a better boardroom person than football mind on the pitch and training ground. Not a fan of the idea personally as I think as a club we need a clean cut from Lambert.
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From my many years in work situations I've found that it's far from unusual for some inept people to be promoted out of a job at which they were useless. So don't see what's wrong with DW's idea so long as it moves Lambert from the playing side.
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From my many years in work situations I've found that it's far from unusual for some inept people to be promoted out of a job at which they were useless. So don't see what's wrong with DW's idea so long as it moves Lambert from the playing side.
Exactly how a lot of poor and narrow-minded teachers became Heads...or Ofsted inspectors these days!
Wizard idea!
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If we must keep him employed it should be to clean out the shite-house and nothing more. He's certainly gained plenty of experience of dealing with turds in the last couple of years.
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Moving him upstairs smacks of 'We like you, really like you and feel bad about sacking you, so we're not sacking you but giving you a different thing here. But if you want to leave, you know, that's fine too. Up to you".
So what would you prefer peter w, "Fu*k Off Lambert!" ?
Well just relieving him of is position is fine.