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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Witton Warrior on November 30, 2014, 01:29:47 AM
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Come on - how do we do it?
All write to Randy? Get the bed sheets out? Wave white hankies?
It may be re-arranging the deckchairs but I want to DO something!
Westleys need not apply.
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The dreadful attendance for the Soton match made the press notice - but the only way that *really* works is if ST holders stop going as well as the walk ups.....
This acton needs many fronts/brigades (SERIOUSLY):
The Laptop Tendancy
The Upper Holte People's Front
The Popular Posters' Front
The Witton Casuals
The Holte Silent Majority
Write to Randy, write to the other shareholders, get the press on board......it needs to be united though. So someone's got to take out the Westleys. How much do the Fewtrells charge these days?
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And we need to get Mooney out of retirement. And Craven.......
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The dreadful attendance for the Soton match made the press notice - but the only way that *really* works is if ST holders stop going as well as the walk ups.....
This acton needs many fronts/brigades (SERIOUSLY):
The Laptop Tendancy
The Upper Holte People's Front
The Popular Posters' Front
The Witton Casuals
The Holte Silent Majority
Write to Randy, write to the other shareholders, get the press on board......it needs to be united though. So someone's got to take out the Westleys. How much do the Fewtrells charge these days?
Have you met any Fewtrells lately? Hahaha - cheered me up no end C Blitz
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The Westley's are Villa - we disagree but they are still comrades Comrade
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The Westley's are Villa - we disagree but they are still comrades Comrade
No worries mate - we'll assemble the Westleys in a battalion under the command of Salsa Party Animal aka LMDA
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Have you met any Fewtrells lately? Hahaha - cheered me up no end C Blitz
I'm from Philly - I know all of the real gangsters - me mate Carlo's just flown back to Sicily after a "business" trip to Philly......
BTW - Does Randy Lerner own any horses?
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Come on - how do we do it?
All write to Randy? Get the bed sheets out? Wave white hankies?
It may be re-arranging the deckchairs but I want to DO something!
Westleys need not apply.
Randy would be the wrong target. Tom Fox on the other hand ...
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Do you honestly think the club doesn't know we want to win more games and play better? And that most fans at this point want to hit the manager reset button?
I think they get the message loud and clear. Randy just disagrees (and presumably Fox). He is sticking by Lambert. Shrug. If we are in the bottom three by Christmas then maybe he will make a move.
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If we are in the bottom three by Christmas then maybe he will make a move.
Another contract extension?
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If we are in the bottom three by Christmas then maybe he will make a move.
Another contract extension?
lol. Maybe!
I believe Lerner is more likely to spend big in January than sack Lambert. But then again I thought that last season and he did neither so what do I know? :)
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Banner of some sort. 'Spend some fucking money'.
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Lerner has never sacked a manager mid-season despite there being protests of various sorts against all of the managers after MON. In some ways this has proved a correct decision as we've stayed up every year. I honestly can't see him getting rid of Lambert, not now as he's just given him a contract and wants to sell the club.
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If Lerner were a more conventional sort of billionaire, more hard nosed and hands on, he would see that he has the simple choice of losing his manager or losing his fan base. It should be a no brainer but Lerner has established a culture at Villa Park where he and his hirelings know best and the supporters have become customers. Randy Lerner thinks marketing techniques and media management are what keep people like us coming back for more.
The old ways are the best for message transmission. When Lambert walks to the dug out make circle with your lips and make a noise like a cow.
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If we lose to Palace and he still doesn't sack him, boycott the Leicester game or turn up and leave a card on your seat stating the obvious,then go home before the match starts.Westley ( so obviously planted by the club) can then sit there on his own.
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Stop putting your money in - that's the only way to do it.
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exactly. if the ground echo's to just a few thousand - as it has in the past - the penny will literally begin to drop.
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Theirs no point having a Randy out banner
He wants out
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Randy probably has his own 'Randy Out' banner...
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It's difficult for the club to express disappointment at the attendances when the owner is one of those not going.
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Some of our comments on this subject make you want to laugh and cry at the same time.
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The problem with having a half empty ground in the hope that the penny will drop will backfire on the fans - the media will just say we are fickle, and the club don't really care because the TV deal means the armchair fan is more important to them than us mugs who show up every week. We need to find a way to publicise just how shocking Lambert's record is - worst home record in our history, record defeats without scoring, the least number of goals scored in the entire football pyramid, routinely getting dumped out of cup competitions to lower league sides, negative tactics etc etc. Someone had a good bedsheet message at Burnley yesterday - 'the stats don't lie'. Highlighting Lambert's failings with banners like that will work better than just not turning up.
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The problem with having a half empty ground in the hope that the penny will drop will backfire on the fans - the media will just say we are fickle, and the club don't really care because the TV deal means the armchair fan is more important to them than us mugs who show up every week. We need to find a way to publicise just how shocking Lambert's record is - worst home record in our history, record defeats without scoring, the least number of goals scored in the entire football pyramid, routinely getting dumped out of cup competitions to lower league sides, negative tactics etc etc. Someone had a good bedsheet message at Burnley yesterday - 'the stats don't lie'. Highlighting Lambert's failings with banners like that will work better than just not turning up.
Has it been picked up in the press? What we need is a Villa-friendly journalist who can run with it. Anyone?
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When Ellis ran the club he cared what people thought of him and the club. He lived and breathed it. He would have been far too embarrassed to allow this to continue and the financial impact would also have been to great.
Lerner doesn't care about reputation, he's not here enough for it to affect him. It won't affect him financially either, the TV cash sees to that.
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I know it's all ifs and buts, however if benteke didn't lose his head the other week we win that game and we were close and should have seen out saints and burnley , that's another 7 points we'd have and we'd be joint 6th.
I'm not sure myself though if we are a million miles away or close to getting a good team.
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I think you're right - there is the basis of a reasonable side there when everyone is fit. It's the way they're not being coached/motivated/led that's the problem. Talking of crowds, I vaguely remember going in the early 70s to a home game and sharing the ground with about 8-11 thousand plus what seemed to be as many pigeons. Can't remember for the life of me who we were playing but I do remember the echo's. It was all very eerie.
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And if Ings hadn't hit the post in the 90th minute yeterday, and if Wiemann had miss hit his shot at Stoke, and if Guzan hadn't made a wonder save at West Ham....
You could go on, and on.
Maybe that's glass half full v half empty syndrome! ;)
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Guess the reality is after 13 games everything evens itself out by now and we are sat in our rightful position. It's probably about where we will end up after 38 games , although over the last 38 games haven't we only gathered 31 points ? That's relegation form.
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If we lose to Palace and he still doesn't sack him, boycott the Leicester game or turn up and leave a card on your seat stating the obvious,then go home before the match starts.Westley ( so obviously planted by the club) can then sit there on his own.
Nobody's been planted anywhere so let's stop this nonsense right now.
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What the club have to sort out immediately is the backroom staff. They need to recruit two top quality assistants/coaches. I can never remember there being such a mess in that department, and it shows.
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When Ellis ran the club he cared what people thought of him and the club. He lived and breathed it. He would have been far too embarrassed to allow this to continue and the financial impact would also have been to great.
Lerner doesn't care about reputation, he's not here enough for it to affect him. It won't affect him financially either, the TV cash sees to that.
Bang on.
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What the club have to sort out immediately is the backroom staff. They need to recruit two top quality assistants/coaches. I can never remember there being such a mess in that department, and it shows.
Will the new manager want them, he/she will want their own staff.
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What the club have to sort out immediately is the backroom staff. They need to recruit two top quality assistants/coaches. I can never remember there being such a mess in that department, and it shows.
Will the new manager want them, he/she will want their own staff.
Maybe, but whats he going to do resign? lol
Edit: ah I see your point. Problem is Lambert's going nowhere
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When Ellis ran the club he cared what people thought of him and the club. He lived and breathed it. He would have been far too embarrassed to allow this to continue and the financial impact would also have been to great.
Lerner doesn't care about reputation, he's not here enough for it to affect him. It won't affect him financially either, the TV cash sees to that.
Doug's never been embarressed in his life! But would he have done something about it? We all know that answer.
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Guess the reality is after 13 games everything evens itself out by now and we are sat in our rightful position. It's probably about where we will end up after 38 games , although over the last 38 games haven't we only gathered 31 points ? That's relegation form.
At the risk of infecting every thread with the same post the hard (and very depressing) stats are.
In 50 games from the start of last season we've accumulated 49 points scoring 45
goals on our way to a goal difference of -31 (38 game average gives 37 points.)
The rolling 38 game total is 36 points with a goal difference of -30 (scored 32)
The 38 game prediction based on the last 19 games says 34 points with a goal difference of -38 scoring 22.
The 38 game prediction based on the last 10 games says 23 points with a goal difference of -50 scoring 11.
It's getting worse with no sign of improving.
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When Ellis ran the club he cared what people thought of him and the club. He lived and breathed it. He would have been far too embarrassed to allow this to continue and the financial impact would also have been to great.
Lerner doesn't care about reputation, he's not here enough for it to affect him. It won't affect him financially either, the TV cash sees to that.
Bang on.
Unfortunately, I also agree with that. I am not making excuses or engaging in revisionism for Ellis in the slightest way, and there are areas where Lerner has been 10 times the chairman Ellis has, but I find it hard to believe Ellis would have put up with this dreadful, dreadful repeated failure like Lerner has, and I can't help thinking that is mostly about the fact that Lerner isn't really that arsed.
That doesn't make up for anything else Ellis did, but on that score, I think Drummond is right.
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Unfortunately, I also agree with that. I am not making excuses or engaging in revisionism for Ellis in the slightest way, and there are areas where Lerner has been 10 times the chairman Ellis has, but I find it hard to believe Ellis would have put up with this dreadful, dreadful repeated failure like Lerner has, and I can't help thinking that is mostly about the fact that Lerner isn't really that arsed.
I don't think it's so much that he's putting up with it; more that it's totally inconsequential. Which, in a display of acumen which will surprise nobody, it really isn't if he wants to get a decent price for the club.
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http://www.bndestem.nl/sport/nac/vak-g-blijft-eerste-kwartier-nac-fc-utrecht-leeg-uit-protest-video-1.4650423 (http://www.bndestem.nl/sport/nac/vak-g-blijft-eerste-kwartier-nac-fc-utrecht-leeg-uit-protest-video-1.4650423)
This is how the NAC Breda fans reacted to their clubs slump in form last Saturday (You will have to use Google Translate for the Dutch). It was a particularly effective way to show their feelings - made bugger all difference to the result, but it got the point across
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I think you're right - there is the basis of a reasonable side there when everyone is fit. It's the way they're not being coached/motivated/led that's the problem. Talking of crowds, I vaguely remember going in the early 70s to a home game and sharing the ground with about 8-11 thousand plus what seemed to be as many pigeons. Can't remember for the life of me who we were playing but I do remember the echo's. It was all very eerie.
I was at that match - I think we were playing Crystal Palace but I'm not certain.
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Guess the reality is after 13 games everything evens itself out by now and we are sat in our rightful position. It's probably about where we will end up after 38 games , although over the last 38 games haven't we only gathered 31 points ? That's relegation form.
At the risk of infecting every thread with the same post the hard (and very depressing) stats are.
In 50 games from the start of last season we've accumulated 49 points scoring 45
goals on our way to a goal difference of -31 (38 game average gives 37 points.)
The rolling 38 game total is 36 points with a goal difference of -30 (scored 32)
The 38 game prediction based on the last 19 games says 34 points with a goal difference of -38 scoring 22.
The 38 game prediction based on the last 10 games says 23 points with a goal difference of -50 scoring 11.
It's getting worse with no sign of improving.
Good stats but the one that bothers me is our form over the past 9 games. On the basis on 3 points from every 27 we would end the season on 22 points.
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I know it's all ifs and buts, however if benteke didn't lose his head the other week we win that game and we were close and should have seen out saints and burnley , that's another 7 points we'd have and we'd be joint 6th.
I'm not sure myself though if we are a million miles away or close to getting a good team.
I think there's some truth in this. The run of games we had (which we all expected to lose) totally knocked the stuffing out of us. In that respect and the injures and Benteke's moment of madness I think Lambert has been unlucky. However, I do agree the football we have been playing just isn't good enough.
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Maybe we could adopt the banner that saw O'Leary off - 'We like you, we just think you're crap'.
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I know it's all ifs and buts, however if benteke didn't lose his head the other week we win that game and we were close and should have seen out saints and burnley , that's another 7 points we'd have and we'd be joint 6th.
I'm not sure myself though if we are a million miles away or close to getting a good team.
I think there's some truth in this. The run of games we had (which we all expected to lose) totally knocked the stuffing out of us. In that respect and the injures and Benteke's moment of madness I think Lambert has been unlucky. However, I do agree the football we have been playing just isn't good enough.
It was a tough run of games, yes, but although we weren't expecting to win many of them, it would have been nice to have maybe scored a few goals, look a bit threatening, look like we were seriously trying to win the games.
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I think you're right - there is the basis of a reasonable side there when everyone is fit. It's the way they're not being coached/motivated/led that's the problem. Talking of crowds, I vaguely remember going in the early 70s to a home game and sharing the ground with about 8-11 thousand plus what seemed to be as many pigeons. Can't remember for the life of me who we were playing but I do remember the echo's. It was all very eerie.
Are you suggesting a coup?
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Been thinking about this and I think the best way we the fans can "get the message across" is to fully support the team positively and in numbers. That way if things don't improve nobody can blame the negative , fickle fans. Which I'm sure some quarters would like to point fingers at.
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I think you're right - there is the basis of a reasonable side there when everyone is fit. It's the way they're not being coached/motivated/led that's the problem. Talking of crowds, I vaguely remember going in the early 70s to a home game and sharing the ground with about 8-11 thousand plus what seemed to be as many pigeons. Can't remember for the life of me who we were playing but I do remember the echo's. It was all very eerie.
Are you suggesting a coup?
It might ruffle some feathers.
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And put some beaks out of joint.
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At least with the talon we have got on show, it may bring us up the pecking order.
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We should organise a pigeon vasion
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Are we homing in on a solution?
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Yowm all fuckin raven mad!
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We've had nothing to crow about for ages. It's very hard to swallow.
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We need swift solution.
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ha! nice. I'm breaking out into raptor-ous applause at this avian punathon. Looking forward to further outbreaks of egg-cellence.
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That’s the problem with us Villa fans, if there’s an issue we simply wren away from it. C’mon guys let stand up and beak counted.
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Guess the reality is after 13 games everything evens itself out by now and we are sat in our rightful position. It's probably about where we will end up after 38 games , although over the last 38 games haven't we only gathered 31 points ? That's relegation form.
At the risk of infecting every thread with the same post the hard (and very depressing) stats are.
In 50 games from the start of last season we've accumulated 49 points scoring 45
goals on our way to a goal difference of -31 (38 game average gives 37 points.)
The rolling 38 game total is 36 points with a goal difference of -30 (scored 32)
The 38 game prediction based on the last 19 games says 34 points with a goal difference of -38 scoring 22.
The 38 game prediction based on the last 10 games says 23 points with a goal difference of -50 scoring 11.
It's getting worse with no sign of improving.
Good stats but the one that bothers me is our form over the past 9 games. On the basis on 3 points from every 27 we would end the season on 22 points.
I deliberately chose 10 games instead of 9 to avoid any accusations about deliberately ignoring the last win, and still only got us up to 23 points.
Unless something changes we're FUBAR.
As painful as it is, I'd accept him muddling through this season if we survived, purely on the basis that I don't think Randy would sack him mid season before it's too late.
However I just don't see how he can turn this around.
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£37 for the eagles clash tomorrow . Robin bastards
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£37 for the eagles clash tomorrow . Robin bastards
You need to shop around £32 for me😜
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£37 for the eagles clash tomorrow . Robin bastards
Yes, they were £32. God knows where you got £37 from.
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I think you're right - there is the basis of a reasonable side there when everyone is fit. It's the way they're not being coached/motivated/led that's the problem. Talking of crowds, I vaguely remember going in the early 70s to a home game and sharing the ground with about 8-11 thousand plus what seemed to be as many pigeons. Can't remember for the life of me who we were playing but I do remember the echo's. It was all very eerie.
Possibly the 68-69 season, it was bloody cold on top of the old Witton End, Charlton held us to a 0-0 draw in front of under 13,000 and the manager got the push and was replaced by the hardman Arthur Cox.Many similarities to today if I remember correctly.
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Will we be useless on the wings again?
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I'm not sure we could do anything, to be honest. I like the idea that there's a groundswell of like-minded people who feel strongly enough to stop attending, make banners etc, but I think it's tiny in comparison to the people that go every week, come what may, because of routine, or commitment, or because it's just what they do - go and watch the football. And hard as it is to believe, there are groups of people that go because it's a treat - I would say three out of the last four times I've been to Villa, I've been sat near what's obviously an organised trip for some students or an extended family.
My opinion on it is that any co-ordinated protest is best served when the attendance already plays into the hands of the hardcore disaffected: a midweek game against some relegation fodder (we can't play ourselves, unfortunately) or a televised game when the attendance will be reduced because of it. If you want to make your voice heard you need to ensure you're not lost in the sea of largely passive spectating. Although vicious, the atmosphere at the Bolton McLeish game was hard to deny. I've rarely heard a body of people so furious.
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My opinion on it is that any co-ordinated protest is best served when the attendance already plays into the hands of the hardcore disaffected: a midweek game against some relegation fodder (we can't play ourselves, unfortunately) or a televised game when the attendance will be reduced because of it. If you want to make your voice heard you need to ensure you're not lost in the sea of largely passive spectating. Although vicious, the atmosphere at the Bolton McLeish game was hard to deny. I've rarely heard a body of people so furious.
My son and I were in the Upper Trinity that night - when the Holte's chanting began we stood and joined in but the majority in the Holy Trinity sat stony faced. When it reached a crescendo angry words were exchanged and tempers were fraying when the final whistle went (well it did take us 87 minutes + 19 matches to lose it) and then it all sort of ebbed away even though the damage for TSM was done...
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I don't think it's tiny, the saints home game last season 35,134
This season 10,000 less
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I don't think it's tiny, the saints home game last season 35,134
This season 10,000 less
I do appreciate that, but last season the home game was on a Saturday afternoon, whereas this season it was a televised game on a Monday night. That may not account for a drop of ten thousand in the gate, but it would have had a significant effect.
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Well the saints game last season when we got 35k followed a horrendous run
Stoke h 1-4
Yanited a 1-4
Fulham h 1-2
Palace a 0-1
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I think the Southampton game being televised and on a Monday night is in the same category as the gastroenteritis bug. Too convenient a cop out not to use.
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We should organise a pigeon vasion
Pun winner.
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Banner of some sort. 'Spend some fucking money'.
Need to be pre-fixed with 'get a new manager and then.....'
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Banner of some sort. 'Spend some fucking money'.
Need to be pre-fixed with 'get a new manager and then.....'
absolutely. Do we really wasn't Lambert spending more brass on our behalf.
The plan should be for a Lambert exit ASAP and some cash for a decent new manager to spend in January.
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Honestly if we can't top the Blackburn chicken protest then we shouldn't bother.
(http://ryanhenning.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Venkysblackburn.jpg)
I loved the suggestion by the Football Ramble that it was actually put out by Venky's themselves to taunt the fans with a "new signing".
Good times, good times.