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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Chico Hamilton III on November 28, 2014, 09:35:48 AM
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lasted longer than I thought. Can we call him a twat now?
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Hmmmmmmm.
Didn't seem to add any value whilst here.
But I'd love to hear his reasons as to why 'now'.
The beginning of the end for Lambert now?
Tomorrow could be interesting. Not the game, but the fans' reaction.
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Got fed up with it. Appeared to make a difference at the beginning but it tailed off. No doubt he will be giving his reasons later today.
Which leaves Lambert by himself.
Help!
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'Keane came to the decision after admitting that fully committing to both jobs and making the necessary time for his family was proving impossible.
He said: “Ultimately, my roles with Villa and Ireland and combining my commitment to these have become too much,” '
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It's all rather shambolic.
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Sack Friday.
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'Keane came to the decision after admitting that fully committing to both jobs and making the necessary time for his family was proving impossible.
He said: “Ultimately, my roles with Villa and Ireland and combining my commitment to these have become too much,” '
We are not successful and show no signs of attaining success. That is why he left.
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Never appeared to be bothered/interested.
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Not at all suprised , looked completely lifeless i games recently.The performances on pitch suggest he wasn't having any impact so makes sense he would walk.
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He failed at Sunderland and Ipswich and now he can't hack it as a coach. Very odd career move.
Bye. Thanks for the, um. Thanks.
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Dismal, unprincipled spunk stain with the moral compass of brain damaged moron or the victim of a cruel medical experiment.
Only joking! It's only a game after all and we should keep things in perspective.
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HA HA.
You have to laugh. I said from day one he'd be gone by November. It doesn't surprise me in the slightest. It was never going to work. It's at least been an interesting ride with Keane on board.
And now he's gone we can go back to calling him feckin eedjit. Because frankly he is. A very unpleasant individual who was probably a Goblin or an Orc in a previous life.
He did lose interest very quickly. He looked close to falling asleep some matches. In all honesty as soon as his book came out he seemed to do absolutely fuck all on the touchline. Methinks his decision to be among the Prem from Aug-Sept was in no small part down to him having a book to release. For a couple of months leading up to its release we were Roy Keanes Villa. Lambert was a forgotten man.
Well that's one less bit of entertainment for us to enjoy.
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Looks like an opening for Tumbling Bear now he is available!
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This is getting like an episode of crossroads now
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This is getting like an episode of crossroads now
I'd say a slightly shitter soap than that. El Dorado perhaps.
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I did wonder how much was the players losing respect for him over the book launch. Did our players think "he has dissed the team he played with for 10 years and the Sunderland players, what has he got in store for us in volume 3?"
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Leading candidates to replace him are understood to be Robbie Savage, Andrew Mitchell and Robert Mugabe.
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This is getting like an episode of crossroads now
I'd say a slightly shitter soap than that. El Dorado perhaps.
As it's Lambert perhaps Take The High Road
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This is getting like an episode of crossroads now
I'd say a slightly shitter soap than that. El Dorado perhaps.
Players having affairs (maybe, allegedly, etc), addicted to sleeping pills, drink-driving, smashing in nightclub doors, etc. Ladies & gentlemen, I give you "Dream Team".
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The biggest 'non-surprise' of the season.
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Leading candidates to replace him are understood to be Robbie Savage, Andrew Mitchell and Robert Mugabe.
Please, not Savage.
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It comes to something when the most interesting thing about the club is (our now lack of) assistant manager. Christ, we're rancid.
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How long until he crops up on Big Brother or in that jungle thing (if either of those shows are still going) ?
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So in summary Lambert picked a back room staff that had to be sacked for bullying then picked a guy who left within 3 months..well done
As for Keane obviously learnt alot from working for MON in how to leave a club at just the right moment ...
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So in summary Lambert picked a back room staff that had to be sacked for bullying then picked a guy who left within 3 months..well done
As for Keane obviously learnt alot from working for MON in how to leave a club at just the right moment ...
Yep, just before the biggest match of our season.
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It's all such a mess we could have John Wayne Gacy as assistant manager and walking out on us after three months; it wouldn't make any difference.
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Sack Friday.
More like Black Sack Friday!
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This is getting like an episode of crossroads now
I'd say a slightly shitter soap than that. El Dorado perhaps.
Players having affairs (maybe, allegedly, etc), addicted to sleeping pills, drink-driving, smashing in nightclub doors, etc. Ladies & gentlemen, I give you "Dream Team".
I bet a couple of those actors could probably walk into our side at the moment to be fair. They looked slightly more convincing as a footballing side as we do sometimes.
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This could be a positive if the players are happy to see the back of him ?
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I'd imagine there'll be a campaign to appoint @StanPetrov19 along in a minute...
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Good, I've never liked him or his beard.
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How long until he crops up on Big Brother or in that jungle thing (if either of those shows are still going) ?
Maybe they'd make him eat Alfe-Inge Haaland in a bush tucker trial.
Royston would probably rub his hands with glee and ask for condiments and a glass of red to wash him down.
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Who had 28 November in the sweep?
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Good, I've never liked him or his beard.
Shaving the beard killed our season.
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I'm not overly bothered by him leaving, but the timing of it is infuriating. He really does seem to be learning from MON.
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bust up in training this week. did I miss this?
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Apparently Keane had a bust up with a Villa player in training earlier this week
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We've got 2 games in 4 days coming-up. Given the stuttering fixtures of late with the International breaks, this is a thoroughly odd time to do it.
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I'm not overly bothered by him leaving, but the timing of it is infuriating. He really does seem to be learning from MON.
I don't see the problem with the timing of it personally, unless you mean in regards to Ireland's next match not being until next year.
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Apparently Keane had a bust up with a Villa player in training earlier this week
If so, Lambert's got a hell of a record on appointing backroom staff. Who next, Naomi Campbell?
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Saying he cant combine the 2 roles is odd being as his busiest period with Eire has just finished and they're not playing again for 5 months.
My guess is he didn't want to be associated with a losing club.
We'll find out why in his next book.
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. He looked close to falling asleep some matches.
To be honest , so do I
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I go away for a few days and come back to find Keane gone. If I go away for a few more days maybe Lambert will disappear.
As for who next, I notice that, that nice Mr. O'Leary could be available.
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Apparently Keane had a bust up with a Villa player in training earlier this week
Heard that too.
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The things is, pretty much anyone and everyone could see this coming from the minute he was appointed.
At some point he was going to walk citing difficulties in combining 2 roles.
The only question was when would it happen.
If we could see it, why couldn't the club...great decision making by the management, again !
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This could be a positive if the players are happy to see the back of him ?
If it was Lambert
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I'm not overly bothered by him leaving, but the timing of it is infuriating. He really does seem to be learning from MON.
I don't see the problem with the timing of it personally, unless you mean in regards to Ireland's next match not being until next year.
A day before a crucial game is bad timing I think. That said, if he's had a bust up with a player, then there mightn't have been any other option.
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He came, he grew a very long beard , shaved it off and left.
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The club is completely bat shit.
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Can we call him a twat now?
I'm not sure there was ever a time that we couldn't.
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We will miss his tactical input on the training pitch. How will they work on such advanced matters of lumping the ball over the top for Gabby now that his genius has gone?
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Didn't bring anything to the club in fact we got worse.
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We will miss his tactical input on the training pitch. How will they work on such advanced matters of lumping the ball over the top for Gabby now that his genius has gone?
Something tells me we'll continue with the exact same mind numbing tactic.
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Birmingham Mail @birminghammail 2m2 minutes ago
Roy Keane's gone. So it's safe to follow our liveblog bringing reaction to his departure #avfc
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/live-aston-villa---roy-8191154 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/live-aston-villa---roy-8191154) …
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I didn't rate him as a player, I don't rate him as a manager, and I don't rate him as a person. He's a fucking wanker and he can stick his beard up his arse. The only reason I had any dealings with him is that somehow he was the assistant manager of my club! He can stick it up his bollocks.
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So as the band plays on, the captain orders his men to rearrange the deckchairs again.......
Will Cowans step up again short term if time allows?
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I didn't rate him as a player, I don't rate him as a manager, and I don't rate him as a person. He's a fucking wanker and he can stick his beard up his arse. The only reason I had any dealings with him is that somehow he was the assistant manager of my club! He can stick it up his bollocks.
I can understand you not rating him as a manager and person, but a player? He was simply outstanding.
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All it means is Lambert will have total blame when the inevitable happens and we go down. Keane probably got neck ache from watching all those long balls sailing over the top. He refused to shake hands with Mourinho - that this is the highlight of his six months or so at Villa says it all.
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So as the band plays on, the captain orders his men to rearrange the deckchairs again.......
Will Cowans step up again short term if time allows?
He didn't bring much to the party last time.
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Basically he hinted as much in an interview a couple of weeks ago. It is another of the long line of catastrophic experiments that have curtailed the clubs fortunes in the last 4 years.
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I didn't rate him as a player, I don't rate him as a manager, and I don't rate him as a person. He's a fucking wanker and he can stick his beard up his arse. The only reason I had any dealings with him is that somehow he was the assistant manager of my club! He can stick it up his bollocks.
I can understand you not rating him as a manager and person, but a player? He was simply outstanding.
Maybe you're missing Hopadop's reference?
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Proud future, bright history.
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Dougan, Keane......who's next ?
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Basically he hinted as much in an interview a couple of weeks ago. It is another of the long line of catastrophic experiments that have curtailed the clubs fortunes in the last 4 years.
Indeed. Randy Lerner has a lot to answer for.
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Sir Brian Little please come out of retirement. Its around your birthday, the club is struggling..... sound familiar? We wouldn't be challenging for the title but by god we'd be better to watch and at least win some games and score some goals.
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So as the band plays on, the captain orders his men to rearrange the deckchairs again.......
Will Cowans step up again short term if time allows?
He didn't bring much to the party last time.
If Sid was in charge I think we would improve.Whoever comes in as an assistant has to work under Lambert.
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I didn't rate him as a player, I don't rate him as a manager, and I don't rate him as a person. He's a fucking wanker and he can stick his beard up his arse. The only reason I had any dealings with him is that somehow he was the assistant manager of my club! He can stick it up his bollocks.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wGd2NtdnflY/UQ5C3j9bXOI/AAAAAAAAI9U/ErAkjFd5KBY/s1600/citizen-kane-clapping.jpg)
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Basically he hinted as much in an interview a couple of weeks ago. It is another of the long line of catastrophic experiments that have curtailed the clubs fortunes in the last 4 years.
Please God make it stop.
Well, if we can help you we will,
Soon as you're tired and ill.
With your consent
We can experiment further still
Carnage visors mandatory.
The road to hell is paved with god intentions.
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So as the band plays on, the captain orders his men to rearrange the deckchairs again.......
Will Cowans step up again short term if time allows?
He didn't bring much to the party last time.
If Sid was in charge I think we would improve.Whoever comes in as an assistant has to work under Lambert.
I don't. I think he'd be out of his depth as manager. You know you're in dire straits when fans start calling for ex players to take over.
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Basically he hinted as much in an interview a couple of weeks ago. It is another of the long line of catastrophic experiments that have curtailed the clubs fortunes in the last 4 years.
Indeed. Randy Lerner has a lot to answer for.
I don't see what Lerner has done wrong this instance. Lambert picked a new man to work alongside him and the club got him.
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Roll up Roll up,The Villa circus under clueless Lambert and Lerner continues. Joke appointment anyway and our football has got worse if anything so we wont miss him in anyway.
Can we please get some real coaches in soon to try to improve the players, we are meant to be a professional club.
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There's a circus in the town, in the town...........
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Basically he hinted as much in an interview a couple of weeks ago. It is another of the long line of catastrophic experiments that have curtailed the clubs fortunes in the last 4 years.
Indeed. Randy Lerner has a lot to answer for.
I don't see what Lerner has done wrong this instance. Lambert picked a new man to work alongside him and the club got him.
The buck stops with the chairman. We stumble from one f#ck to another and he's ultimately the man in charge and he's to blame.
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Aston Villa, for those awkward moments when the word 'shambles' doesn't quite cut it.
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We all know it went to shit when the beard vanished. We just need to find that beard and give him a jacket with B on it.
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You know you're in dire straits when fans start calling for ex players to take over.
Damn straight.
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Darren Bent to be recalled and appointed assistant manager, you heard it here first.
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(http://www.senseoncents.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/wheels-off-the-bus1.jpg)
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Aston Villa, for those awkward moments when the word 'shambles' doesn't quite cut it.
Risso wins the internet for the day.
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Basically he hinted as much in an interview a couple of weeks ago. It is another of the long line of catastrophic experiments that have curtailed the clubs fortunes in the last 4 years.
Indeed. Randy Lerner has a lot to answer for.
I don't see what Lerner has done wrong this instance. Lambert picked a new man to work alongside him and the club got him.
The buck stops with the chairman. We stumble from one f#ck to another and he's ultimately the man in charge and he's to blame.
But why is he to blame in this instance? It was an arrangement all parties involved were happy with. Keane thought he could hack doing both jobs and now he's decided he can't.
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Quick, Randy, get another lamp unveiled. The fans might be so impressed with the gesture that they'll forget about the absolute shambles you are in charge of at the moment.
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I didn't rate him as a player, I don't rate him as a manager, and I don't rate him as a person. He's a fucking wanker and he can stick his beard up his arse. The only reason I had any dealings with him is that somehow he was the assistant manager of my club! He can stick it up his bollocks.
I can understand you not rating him as a manager and person, but a player? He was simply outstanding.
Maybe you're missing Hopadop's reference?
World Cup bust up with 'Big' Mick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saipan_incident)
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Quick, Randy, get another lamp unveiled. The fans might be so impressed with the gesture that they'll forget about the absolute shambles you are in charge of at the moment.
Make it a magic lamp as well, one that makes Lambert disappear.
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Basically he hinted as much in an interview a couple of weeks ago. It is another of the long line of catastrophic experiments that have curtailed the clubs fortunes in the last 4 years.
Indeed. Randy Lerner has a lot to answer for.
I don't see what Lerner has done wrong this instance. Lambert picked a new man to work alongside him and the club got him.
The buck stops with the chairman. We stumble from one f#ck to another and he's ultimately the man in charge and he's to blame.
But why is he to blame in this instance? It was an arrangement all parties involved were happy with. Keane thought he could hack doing both jobs and now he's decided he can't.
Every f#ck up at this club comes from his penny pinching, his cutbacks, his apathy, his incompetence and his crass stupidlty at running a football club.
Lambert should not be even be at the club let alone be allowed to employ a man like Keane as his number 2. So yes, it is Lerner's fault.
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I didn't rate him as a player, I don't rate him as a manager, and I don't rate him as a person. He's a fucking wanker and he can stick his beard up his arse. The only reason I had any dealings with him is that somehow he was the assistant manager of my club! He can stick it up his bollocks.
I can understand you not rating him as a manager and person, but a player? He was simply outstanding.
Maybe you're missing Hopadop's reference?
World Cup bust up with 'Big' Mick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saipan_incident)
Of course! Apologies!
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Basically he hinted as much in an interview a couple of weeks ago. It is another of the long line of catastrophic experiments that have curtailed the clubs fortunes in the last 4 years.
Indeed. Randy Lerner has a lot to answer for.
I don't see what Lerner has done wrong this instance. Lambert picked a new man to work alongside him and the club got him.
The buck stops with the chairman. We stumble from one f#ck to another and he's ultimately the man in charge and he's to blame.
But why is he to blame in this instance? It was an arrangement all parties involved were happy with. Keane thought he could hack doing both jobs and now he's decided he can't.
It's Lerners fault because he employs the incompetent buffoon that attempts to manage our great club. If he had any sense or pride he would have sacked the fucker so he wasn't around anymore to make more managerial balls ups. But he doesn't, so anything that continues to go wrong with the playing side is ultimately Lerners fault.
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Sack Friday.
What would Crusoe say.
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Chicken korma eating quitter
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Chicken korma eating quitter
The curry puff
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I didn't rate him as a player
Really? Bloody hell.
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Another masterstroke from Lambert. Thick as.
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I didn't rate him as a player
Really? Bloody hell.
;D Again.
It's a well known quote he came out with about Mick McCarthy.
Hop's post is hilarious.
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We go again. Again
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I can't say I am too bothered to be honest. Its not like he was having a positive effect.
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Last one out turn off the lamp.
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Oh dear, totally cattle-trucked now...How do we continue to do it to ourselves?
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I wasn't bothered when he got the job and I am not bothered now he has gone. In fact 'not that bothered' sums up my feelings about the whole thing at the moment. When the sum of our ambition, despite their claims otherwise, appears to be not get relegated how can anyone work up any enthusiasm?
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Keane putting his country first? ???
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Rat deserts sinking ship.
His stupid hipster beard brought our great club into disrepute. Ian Dowie will be making sure his phone is turned on and fully charged whilst Alan Curbishley carefully considers the offer before ruling himself out of the 747th job he's been offered since he last worked.
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was listening to Talkshite when they said that there was an announcement from Villa Park........... The inital feeling of hope that Lamberk had walked was soon shattered
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Get Terry Connor in, kick me in the bollocks and we'll call that a perfect Friday.
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Interestingly, Roy Keane is an anagram of fucking twat. Never liked him so glad he's gone.
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That worked out well, didn't it?
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Roy Keane. He came. He saw. He... whatever.
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Whether you liked Keane or not he was Lambert's appointment. Just like Culverhouse and Karsa before him.
Lambert must be giving Lerner blowies to be this incompetent at running the football side of a club and still have a job. It's all fucking pathetic now.
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Carry on like this and Bob Geldof will be getting the band back together.
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You know you're in dire straits when fans start calling for ex players to take over.
Damn straight.
Precisely. I don't get this clamour all the time for Sid, Sid, Sid, Sid. Sid was a legend in our history as a player no doubt about it and one of the finest midfielders of his generation. He has done a reasonable job in the Academy especially when lead by Kevin Mc. But, he isn't proven in management, he stepped into a senior role during another crisis last season and nothing has changed. So I just don't get it. The club needs a completely fresh start - a SGT esque fresh start.
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Bring in somebody in who at least grows a sensible beard.
I wouldnt mind Olof but Lerner will probably try for Father Xmas next.
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Whether you liked Keane or not he was Lambert's appointment. Just like Culverhouse and Karsa before him.
Lambert must be giving Lerner blowies to be this incompetent at running the football side of a club and still have a job. It's all fucking pathetic now.
Lerner's gone to stay with the Shagmanites and they can't get a mobile network out there.
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Roy Keane. He came. He saw. He... whatever.
He came, he swore, he's bonkers
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Someone needs to put is out of our misery. I'm genuinely starting to think it might be best to take the inevitable relegation and rebuild the club, ethos, culture, identity (playing style wise) again. It's just no fun at all being a villa fan and it hasn't been for years now
I'm just really bored of it
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I didn't rate him as a player, I don't rate him as a manager, and I don't rate him as a person. He's a fucking wanker and he can stick his beard up his arse. The only reason I had any dealings with him is that somehow he was the assistant manager of my club! He can stick it up his bollocks.
I can understand you not rating him as a manager and person, but a player? He was simply outstanding.
Yes. He was.
I never like him but to deny the fact he wasn't an excellent players is daft.
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I didn't rate him as a player, I don't rate him as a manager, and I don't rate him as a person. He's a fucking wanker and he can stick his beard up his arse. The only reason I had any dealings with him is that somehow he was the assistant manager of my club! He can stick it up his bollocks.
I can understand you not rating him as a manager and person, but a player? He was simply outstanding.
Yes. He was.
I never like him but to deny the fact he wasn't an excellent players is daft.
Er ..Mick McCarty rant!
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I didn't rate him as a player, I don't rate him as a manager, and I don't rate him as a person. He's a fucking wanker and he can stick his beard up his arse. The only reason I had any dealings with him is that somehow he was the assistant manager of my club! He can stick it up his bollocks.
I can understand you not rating him as a manager and person, but a player? He was simply outstanding.
Yes. He was.
I never like him but to deny the fact he wasn't an excellent players is daft.
Er ..Mick McCarty rant!
Only just read the intervening responses having read from the start.
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Two wheels on our wagon
But we keep rollin along.........
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I wasn't bothered when he got the job and I am not bothered now he has gone. In fact 'not that bothered' sums up my feelings about the whole thing at the moment. When the sum of our ambition, despite their claims otherwise, appears to be not get relegated how can anyone work up any enthusiasm?
Agreed.
I am totally nonplussed about this. It is all just background noise as the aimless drifting goes on.
Nothing can change until the chairman or manager go, so it really isn't worth getting wound up about.
Although it does make me laugh hearing people clamour for former players.
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I'd imagine there'll be a campaign to appoint @StanPetrov19 along in a minute...
Three minths time he'd be citing the pressure of the Villa and playing Sunday league as his reason for leaving the Villa.
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Lambert only knew this morning it would appear. No doubt he will ask Cowans and Given to step up again at short notice. No doubt they will say yes again.
God only knows who he will come up with next.
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I wasn't bothered when he got the job and I am not bothered now he has gone. In fact 'not that bothered' sums up my feelings about the whole thing at the moment. When the sum of our ambition, despite their claims otherwise, appears to be not get relegated how can anyone work up any enthusiasm?
Agreed.
I am totally nonplussed about this. It is all just background noise as the aimless drifting goes on.
Nothing can change until the chairman or manager go, so it really isn't worth getting wound up about.
Although it does make me laugh hearing people clamour for former players.
Agree totally. I read about him going earlier with almost no reaction or emotion at all, just a shrug of the shoulders and a what's for breakfast
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Goodbye Roy. Thanks for... errr... errr...
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Now that Roy Keane has gone will anyone outside of the Villa even notice that we exist? Probably not. Even rival fans watching a game will be someone blinded to our players and think their side is alone on the pitch doing training exercises.
We're like Marty McFly's fading family photo in Back To The Future.
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While I'm not that bothered, there was a change in Keane's touchline demeanour over the past few weeks compared to the start of the season.
In the first few games he was up off the bench and getting involved in barking orders... that all stopped within a few weeks. Was he told to calm down??
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Now that Roy Keane has gone will anyone outside of the Villa even notice that we exist? Probably not. Even rival fans watching a game will be someone blinded to our players and think their side is alone on the pitch doing training exercises.
We're like Marty McFly's fading family photo in Back To The Future.
I don't think now's the time to talk about a lack of coverage. Our football's so bad, a lot of our own fans can barely tolerate watching us - why on earth would anyone who isn't a supporter want to watch us?
Strange time to leave - the day before a game. Why not get the game out of the way first? Added to that, Ireland not playing again until March.
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Strange time to leave - the day before a game. Why not get the game out of the way first? Added to that, Ireland not playing again until March.
Because he's a twat.
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Strange time to leave - the day before a game. Why not get the game out of the way first? Added to that, Ireland not playing again until March.
Because he's a twat.
Or because he was told to go AND he's a twat.
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I wonder if be called the current Ireland manager in when is the most disruptive time to quit a job at Aston Villa?
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While I'm not that bothered, there was a change in Keane's touchline demeanour over the past few weeks compared to the start of the season.
In the first few games he was up off the bench and getting involved in barking orders... that all stopped within a few weeks. Was he told to calm down??
or has he realised that Lambert is never going to get sacked by Lerner anytime soon?
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Any truth in him having a do with Gabby?
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Get Martin Laursen or Olof Mellberg in......or both!!
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Let's face it based on the history of the last few years it's likely that whoever is his replacement is going to be a terrible appointment.
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:-)
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Hopefully this is Lambert getting rid of him.
UTV
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I wonder if be called the current Ireland manager in when is the most disruptive time to quit a job at Aston Villa?
Bingo
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Lambert's not very good at picking staff, is he?
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While I'm not that bothered, there was a change in Keane's touchline demeanour over the past few weeks compared to the start of the season.
In the first few games he was up off the bench and getting involved in barking orders... that all stopped within a few weeks. Was he told to calm down??
I though that when the Benteke red card head butt/face push happened against Spurs. It all kicked off right in front of Keane, and as players were rushing in he did nothing. If that had been a Man U player you wouldn't have held him back. It looked like he wasn't bothered and just didn't care.
He didn't really connect with the Villa did he.
It's all a bit ...meh
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Get Martin Laursen or Olof Mellberg in......or both!!
Bæibs ånd Cønes
Seriously though, no.
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On the bust-up with a player story. Wouldn't be anything to do with the pressure Grealish is under to play for the Republic of Ireland? Perhaps Grealish told him to fuck off.
Roy Keane, file under Peter Schmeichel.
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Get Martin Laursen or Olof Mellberg in......or both!!
Great idea, that's bound to work, both ex Villa players. Hopefully that would be the thing that persuades Curbishley to finally accept a job.
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Just a sideshow.
Burnley is the main event.
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I hope it was Bent he had the set-to with, at least then something good might have come from all this.
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Maybe there's a black Friday sale on that Keane simply couldn't miss?
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I hope it was Bent he had the set-to with, at least then something good might have come from all this.
Well it wasn't. Benty has been on Sky Sports. Didnt have any problems with Keane.
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Lambert's not very good at picking staff, is he?
Nor picking teams. Or tactics
He's a chancer. Sooner he goes the better.
I'm yet to be convinced by Tom Fox, but he must be wandering what the hell he's walked into here
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Lambert's not very good at picking staff, is he?
I'm yet to be convinced by Tom Fox,
I don't get comments like this, I really don't. What are you waiting to be convinced about?
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While I'm not that bothered, there was a change in Keane's touchline demeanour over the past few weeks compared to the start of the season.
In the first few games he was up off the bench and getting involved in barking orders... that all stopped within a few weeks. Was he told to calm down??
As someone who sits just a few rows behind the home dugout, I agree that it has been noticeable how much less demonstrative Keane has been recently
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If we never hear from Tom Fox at all but things improve on the commercial side, attendances go up and we start winning matches that will be fine by me. The CEO is not meant to be high profile at a football club in my opinion.
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Let's just hope all this background radiation doesn't affect the lads tomorrow . Big game.
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I am surprised he lasted as long as he did to be honest.Working alongside such a clueless idiot could not have been easy for the sort of character Keane is
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Let's just hope all this background radiation doesn't affect the lads tomorrow . Big game.
I knew Keane was prone to explode in rage, but I didn't realise he could go nuclear ;D
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It's all a bit ...meh
Indeed. Exactly what I thought when I read Chico's initial post. The only positive I can come up with right now is Randy may now be more encouraged to sack Lambert knowing that he doesn't have to pay Keane off too.
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Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/aston-villa-stan-collymore-hits-8194235)
Aston Villa: Stan Collymore hits out at former club following Roy Keane's exit
Former Aston Villa striker Stan Collymore says club must answer some big question after Roy Keane's exit and insists fans want Randy Lerner to sell up
Nov 28, 2014 14:28 By Gregg Evans
Ex-Aston Villa striker Stan Collymore has hit out at his former club following the departure of Roy Keane.
The talkSPORT host said that today’s news is yet another blow for Villa who are winless in eight ahead of tomorrow’s trip to Burnley.
Explaining his feelings in full, Collymore tweeted a link to the extract below which questions where Villa are heading in these times of uncertainy.
He wrote in a social media blog: "Roy Keane. Had to write something about the state of Villa for a while because it’s becoming increasingly clear that all is not well at the club, and frankly to many fans the whole situation is an embarrassment. An owner who wants to sell, a team with no playing style or direction, and now an assistant manager leaving midway through a season. Add the last few years of struggle, the manager or owner who both seem reluctant to speak openly to fans about the direction of the club, plus 25k at Villa Park for the Southampton game, Villa fans everywhere could be forgiven for thinking “ What on earth is going on.
“Relevant questions for management are,
1.Is the club any closer to being sold?
2. Why was Roy Keane brought to Villa Park unless there was a cast iron agreement that Villa was his priority, he’s a “football man” after all, so did the manager sound out which of his jobs was most important? Seemingly not.
3. What style of play are Villa actually playing? Passing team? Counter attacking? All i’m seeing is defending on the edge of the box? That’s not coaching, that’s hoping.”
“All Villa fans want is to see the club sold, a progressive ownership come in with fresh, vibrant ideas, complimenting a playing style befitting one of England’s great clubs and traditions.
“As we celebrate our 140th birthday, it’s about time the process of sale was accelerated and a vision created by the current ownership of a club moving forward, not stagnating. This is not good enough for Aston Villa Football Club, and it needs to change quickly.
“This isn’t any ordinary football club, we started the whole damn thing.”
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Go on Stan!
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'That's not coaching, that's hoping' is one of the best summaries of our 'style' that I've seen.
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"That's not coaching, that's hoping" is probably the most succinct summary of Lambert as a coach that I've heard.
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'That's not coaching, that's hoping' is one of the best summaries of our 'style' that I've seen.
Wow- great minds Monty!
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Does Stan write in the official match day programme?
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Does Stan write in the official match day programme?
He won't be for long!
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I find it very difficult to disagree with Stan there. While I am not arsed that Keane has gone, it just one piece of a much larger picture. We're not trying and falling short, we're simply existing and it isn't good enough.
While it may be difficult to change the ownership, we can and should be doing things a lot better. Sacking the manager would be a start.
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'Keane came to the decision after admitting that fully committing to both jobs and making the necessary time for his family was proving impossible.
He said: “Ultimately, my roles with Villa and Ireland and combining my commitment to these have become too much,” '
We are not successful and show no signs of attaining success. That is why he left.
Also Ireland have 2 games in 10 months
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Has there been anything on the Official Site yet?
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I find it very difficult to disagree with Stan there. While I am not arsed that Keane has gone, it just one piece of a much larger picture. We're not trying and falling short, we're simply existing and it isn't good enough.
While it may be difficult to change the ownership, we can and should be doing things a lot better. Sacking the manager would be a start.
If he has decided he wants to keep the club, or if he can't sell it, then that's fine, but he just needs to appoint people who can distinguish their arses from their elbows to run things.
Tom Fox looks like he has an excellent pedigree. I don't see for a second how people can write him off after a couple of months in the job.
The problem is, Lambert has had a more than fair roll of the dice and has thoroughly failed, to the point that we're just not getting better. And this is compared against where we started from when he came here, which was already a pretty shit position for this club.
The crowds are poor because the fans are reacting to the football, and the football has been particularly awful at home for years now.
If he is going to be sticking around, whatever the reason, he needs to start showing some leadership, because as it stands, we seem to be circling the plug hole year after year and eventually, we will go down.
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I'm also not particularly upset that Keane has gone, I just think it's the longest in a long line of examples of how planless the club is, from top to bottom.
What did Keane find out this morning, that he hasn't known for the past few months? To quit the day before the first of 2 away games in 4 days, with no International football to be played until March, reflects badly on both him and Lambert.
I'd also never want us to do anything other than win a match, but I can't stop day-dreaming about us losing to both Burnley and Palace and then Tony Pulis being our boss for the rest of the season.
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Has there been anything on the Official Site yet?
Nothing other than stony silence.
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"That's not coaching, that's hoping" is probably the most succinct summary of Lambert as a coach that I've heard.
The best thing that has ever been said about him. Perfect.
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Good to see the media finally starting to turn the heat up on lambert.
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Just a few words from a passionate ex-player could be the turning point.
It has been mentioned previously that it could all get very ugly soon.
Let's see what tomorrow brings.
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Collymore is quite good at quickly getting to the heart of the matter.
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Talking to a manure fan earlier who just said "typical Keane". Sums it up really! We are not the problem.
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We are Simon, We are
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Well certain individuals are. Lambert's hidden behind nebulous clichéd excuses for too long and doubtless there will be another excuse/whitewash for the Keane departure. Time for everyone to turn up the heat to Chernobyl levels
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Good article by Stan, but surely number 1 should be, is the club still up for sale ?
Lambert mumbled in his pre match interview something along the lines of nothing has changed.
But, how does that tie in with stories of Lerner getting his mojo back?
Seems no-one knows what the frig is going on !
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Is the OS really playing up for anyone else or just me?
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Strange time to leave - the day before a game. Why not get the game out of the way first? Added to that, Ireland not playing again until March.
Because he's a twat.
I think the timing is key. I have just seen him coming out of Currys in Town with a 50 inch smart TV.
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Hopefully this is Lambert getting rid of him.
UTV
This, I would doubt, seriously.
And why do you always make a reference to the Northern Ireland television franchise at the end of your posts? :-)
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Good article by Stan, but surely number 1 should be, is the club still up for sale ?
It was - or is it any closer to being sold.
Well said Stan, but as said earlier don;t think he'll be getting a warm welcome by the VP hierarchy after this!!
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Good article by Stan, but surely number 1 should be, is the club still up for sale ?
It was - or is it any closer to being sold.
Well said Stan, but as said earlier don;t think he'll be getting a warm welcome by the VP hierarchy after this!!
That's my point, Stan asks if it's any closer to being sold, but if Lerner has taken it off the market, then obviously it's no closer.
Still up for sale or not? that's what I'd like to know.
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We desperately need some coaching ability in the backroom staff - Steve Clarke for me
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It will be Alfie Conn and Billy Stark.
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'Keane came to the decision after admitting that fully committing to both jobs and making the necessary time for his family was proving impossible.
He said: “Ultimately, my roles with Villa and Ireland and combining my commitment to these have become too much,” '
We are not successful and show no signs of attaining success. That is why he left.
Also Ireland have 2 games in 10 months
Hmm interesting.
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The dreaded vote of confidence?
The club’s chief executive Tom Fox said: “We thank Roy for his time at the club and we wish him the best with Ireland.
“Our focus now will be on working with Paul to identify the right person to work alongside him and to help us continue on our journey to return the club to its rightful place in the Premier League.”
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What exactly is this journey or plan bollocks they talk about? Is it like some sort of biblical journey, where the fans are tested by hordes of locusts and a famine of goals and then at the end the remaining few are rewarded with the holy grail of a trophy?
There isn't any journey or plan it's all hope for the best, much like our football.
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Im seeing a real positive in this as Keane will now not be in a position to take "temporary" charge of the team when Lambert finally gets the boot. He would have been the cheap option for Lerner. The Ireland commitments line are evidently bullsh*t as there is no international games coming up for ages plus his international commitment when he was of use was at best flaky.
When the going gets tough, Royston gets going. Reminiscent of him throwing in the towel at Sunderland with a visit to Old Trafford coming. Probably ends any hope of him getting another club job and he can go back to the rent a quote media whore that he was in his element in.
Shocking betrayal of Lambert's faith in him when other clubs were running a mile away, no matter what comes out.
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Has anyone considered possibly Lambert has been told he's getting the chop and that Keane won't be replacement?
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He came, he saw, he sold a few extra copies of his new book.
He looked totally disinterested on Monday night, so move on.
I did think lambert looked lost the other day during the interview on sky. Guessing knew it was coming.
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Im seeing a real positive in this as Keane will now not be in a position to take "temporary" charge of the team when Lambert finally gets the boot. He would have been the cheap option for Lerner.
Christ, you're right. That would have been a horrible prospect.
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Tom Fox said: “Our focus now will be [...] our journey to return the club to its rightful place in the Premier League.”
Poor Tom is getting ahead of himself.
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The dreaded vote of confidence?
The club’s chief executive Tom Fox said: “We thank Roy for his time at the club and we wish him the best with Ireland.
“Our focus now will be on working with Paul to identify the right person to work alongside him and to help us continue on our journey to return the club to its rightful place in the Premier League.”
I thought we were already in the Premier League.
Keane has obviously worked out where we are going and has jumped ship.
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Roy was never one of us. At Villa Park he'd have a few strokes of the beard, a few swigs of his water and maybe a balti pie and he didn't give a fuck about what was going on out on the pitch.
Anyway, fuck him! Can't you lot all shape yourselves up and have a "For Sale" Sign protest (See Ellis, £ sign protest, A4) or something? Shout a bit, I don't know.
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He hasn't according to the OS. In fact not a word of it, I mean our first team assistant manager walks out and not a word. Bizarre.
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He hasn't according to the OS. In fact not a word of it, I mean our first team assistant manager walks out and not a word. Bizarre.
They mentioned it on the official Facebook & Twitter pages. I assume until the legalities are sorted there won't be any notable statement from us.
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Stan's 100% correct in everything he said there. The rudder fell of the ship ages ago and now we are just listing aimlessly through choppy waters. Several holes have formed frantically plugged with gum but now the gum supply is almost at an end. Keane has jumped ship before he is associated with the club hitting the iceberg.
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Lambert's not very good at picking staff, is he?
I'm yet to be convinced by Tom Fox,
I don't get comments like this, I really don't. What are you waiting to be convinced about?
What I mean is he hasn't been with the club long enough to say he is going to be succesfull (or a failure in fairness). Yes he has a good record at Arsenal, but thats not relevant IMO.
Also, I've just heard Tom Ross say he was talking to Fox last week who was "euglogising about Lambert and the work he's doing". I'm sorry, its a job that needs a football man. He may ultimately prove me wrong - I hope he does - but as I say, I remain to be convinced.
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Has it crossed anyone else's mind that Roy could be headed for the Oz jungle ?
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Has it crossed anyone else's mind that Roy could be headed for the Oz jungle ?
I hope he is and they have a nice big plate of Kangaroo dick ready for him to eat the twat.
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Couldn't give a shit about this bloke who didn't give a shit about us and our club. It's frankly embarrassing that he was here in the first place and his leaving a terrible statement on Lambert's judgement. Further evidence, if that was required, that the bloke is well out of his depth in this job.
Can someone put us out of our misery...please?
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Think Stan's been biting his tongue for months, desperately trying to put a positive spin on things....am guessing he won't have a column in the programme anymore....we're up shit creek, and Lambert's the paddle...
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Keane used Villa to sell his book, plain and simple. The Villa platform got him into the media's eye, he grew a silly beard to keep himself there, flogged his book and moved on. Villa are a meal ticket for players and management alike, sadly we're the ones paying for it.
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Glad I didn't buy a copy of it.
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Glad I didn't buy a copy of it.
I bought it. In a charity shop last week, 1 of 4 books for £1.59. I know reading it will annoy me though, he came across as a big enough twat in the first book.
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Console yourself knowing you paid less than 40p for his work. Then burn it once read or use it as a doorstop.
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All these theories about why he has gone. The simple answer is that, like many former top players that have retired in the last 20 years, they do not have the dedication that it takes to be a manager. They have an easy life as a player when all they have to concentrate on is playing 90 minutes a week. Just because somebody was a great player, doesn't mean they are going to be a good manager. This is why I do not go along with thinking ex Villa players should be looked at as the next coach, manager etc.
Roy Keane has a history of getting to a difficult period and giving up.
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Good to see the media finally starting to turn the heat up on lambert.
They will do now Keane is not there to defend him.
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My son and I are unanimous in our view that the best thing about Keane's departure is that it eliminates him from consideration as our next manager.
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He came, he plugged his autobiography, he pissed off. Not much else to say.
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My son and I are unanimous in our view that the best thing about Keane's departure is that it eliminates him from consideration as our next manager.
That was always the worry when he first came in.
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Delighted he won't be the next manager.
He has had fuck all impact on the style of play.
As such, see you later.
Please can we get a technically astute coach in please!!
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The cynic in me said at the time of his appointment that he was there to take the heat off Lambert and add a "big" name for added distraction.
Will Sid "step up" again?
Lambert must be feeling very isolated/lonely at the moment.
(Shit timing by the way - why didn't Keane wait until after tomorrow's game? Did he ask MON for advice on precisely when to depart?)
Sorry if all this has already been said...not dedicated enough to read every post!
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My son and I are unanimous in our view that the best thing about Keane's departure is that it eliminates him from consideration as our next manager.
Aye. Good point.
First thing I thought was that Lambert's a dead man walking. Which (to be cruel) was a nice thought.
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(Shit timing by the way - why didn't Keane wait until after tomorrow's game? Did he ask MON for advice on precisely when to depart?)
To be fair, the unknown terrors of the long journey into the cyclopean lands of deepest Burnley are enough to make any man flee in terror.
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Wonder if anyone remembers Middlesborough when Brian Robison was a struggling manager
Gibson the Chairman installed Terry Venables to come in and manage together.
What say we tried this with Tony Pulis and Lambert, bearing in mind Fox has allegedly had a meeting with Pulis
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Glad I didn't buy a copy of it.
I bought it. In a charity shop last week, 1 of 4 books for £1.59. I know reading it will annoy me though, he came across as a big enough twat in the first book.
I loaned it from the library. It was alright but I couldn't warm to the bloke.
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https://twitter.com/Beartzov/status/538340709603229698
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Wonder if anyone remembers Middlesborough when Brian Robison was a struggling manager
Gibson the Chairman installed Terry Venables to come in and manage together.
What say we tried this with Tony Pulis and Lambert, bearing in mind Fox has allegedly had a meeting with Pulis
I doubt Lambert would buy that.
No pointnwe could fuck him off and get Pullis gor 18 months.
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https://twitter.com/Beartzov/status/538340709603229698
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Who the fucks Michael Bear?
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https://twitter.com/Beartzov/status/538340709603229698
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Who the fucks Michael Bear?
Fuck knows. I wonder if he shits in the woods?
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Wonder if anyone remembers Middlesborough when Brian Robison was a struggling manager
Gibson the Chairman installed Terry Venables to come in and manage together.
What say we tried this with Tony Pulis and Lambert, bearing in mind Fox has allegedly had a meeting with Pulis
That's an awful idea.
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If we're bringing Pulis in then I'd rather we just did it now and got Lambert out the way. To be fair to Pulis, his Palace side played good Football - better than the shite we serve up at the minute, but we all know that's not difficult.
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Has it crossed anyone else's mind that Roy could be headed for the Oz jungle ?
"I'm a Villa fan get Lambert out of here"
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Glad I didn't buy a copy of it.
Me too.
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Keane added nothing. His book was a bag of nothing. He chose Ireland over Villa because he couldn't walk out on them again. He hardly seemed enthusiastic for Villa anyway and probably realises the writing is on the wall and didn't want to be part of it. Leaves Lambert isolated further. I wish he'd walk too. Hardly a surprise and I hope it's part of something bigger behind the scenes.
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Got to think we lose at Burnley Lambert is out, he has to be surely?
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I'm not sure Ozzjim. Logic says he should be, but Lerner clearly does not give a shit anymore and maybe the hassle of getting a new manager is something he'd rather ignore.
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Got to think we lose at Burnley Lambert is out, he has to be surely?
You're applying logic and common sense here aren't you? Big mistake.
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If we're bringing Pulis in then I'd rather we just did it now and got Lambert out the way. To be fair to Pulis, his Palace side played good Football - better than the shite we serve up at the minute, but we all know that's not difficult.
I heard today from a mate quite well connected to Leicester City that Pulis to replace Pearson is a done deal. Not sure how reliable he is as our chats are normally about the Villa.
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Maybe he finally just realised that Lambert ain't for moving.
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If we're bringing Pulis in then I'd rather we just did it now and got Lambert out the way. To be fair to Pulis, his Palace side played good Football - better than the shite we serve up at the minute, but we all know that's not difficult.
I heard today from a mate quite well connected to Leicester City that Pulis to replace Pearson is a done deal.
Good.
Now can we move on from Tony Pulis when discussing alternatives to Lambert.
If we are, and I am still holding out hope for a renaissance this season.
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Got to think we lose at Burnley Lambert is out, he has to be surely?
I honestly think it will be the end. I don't think this team under Lambert has the confidence or ability to win tomorrow. Burnley will really have a go tomorrow and we won't have the guns to reply.
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I am really torn between wanting the Villa to win and wondering if this is the end for PL if we don't. If not, it's another really dreary match day and I am running out of patience for PL to sort it out. And no, I don't think Roy's presence would have made a ha'porth of difference either way, tomorrow. It's all on the mindset of the players.
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Got to think we lose at Burnley Lambert is out, he has to be surely?
You're applying logic and common sense here aren't you? Big mistake.
Too true.
Looking for logic in LererLamboLimbo land is like looking for Loch Ness monster in Lifford Lake. Some decent perch in there if you have the right bait and rig but no fuckin Nessie innit.
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This has ended in the tragi-farce which is The Villa at the moment.
Keane has a winning mentality and was very strong willed. The fact that he might have rubbed a few over paid under performing players out of the way, in my view, no bad thing.
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I agree to a point, but flunking out after a tiff with a prima donna footballer is very flaky and the antithesis of a winning mentality - which is a quality he only really displayed as a player, not as a manager.
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Got to think we lose at Burnley Lambert is out, he has to be surely?
Much as I want Lambert gone, looking at it logically we wouldn't be much better off no matter who took his place. We'd have to pay up Lamberts contract which will be a few million, money lost to the club. And whoever comes in will no doubt have the same financial restrictions to work with, so no big transfer kitty and the same wage structure.
The new man could be the worlds best motivator and coach. But looking at our squad how many of them would you keep if you were the new man?
The squad needs a complete overhaul and that costs a lot of money, money that Randy seems unwilling to spend.
I honestly can't see any manager or coach worth his salt being willing to take us on at the moment.
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Sorry but we would be 10 times better off even with Pulis in charge over Lambert
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Sorry but we would be 10 times better off even with Pulis in charge over Lambert
But the football wouldn't be any better to watch.
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Lambert has done an atrocious job. A competent manager could get this team moving up the table.
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I'm not a great fan of Pulis but at least he seems to be able to get the players playing for him. The current mob have it way too easy and don't play well because there are no consequences and or the tactics are so stifling.
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Sorry but we would be 10 times better off even with Pulis in charge over Lambert
I want to watch the Villa and be entertained, in all the games I have seen Villa up against a Pulis team I have gone away thinking how can the fans of his team watch that brand of anti football week after week? If Lambert was asked to step aside I would hope that the owner has more foresight than looking at Pulis, because crowds would soon fall below 25k regularly.
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Sorry but we would be 10 times better off even with Pulis in charge over Lambert
I want to watch the Villa and be entertained, in all the games I have seen Villa up against a Pulis team I have gone away thinking how can the fans of his team watch that brand of anti football week after week? If Lambert was asked to step aside I would hope that the owner has more foresight than looking at Pulis, because crowds would soon fall below 25k regularly.
Could anything be worse than watching the current brand of anti-ball we "play" at the moment, the fare at Villa Park over the last 4 years has been turgid at best and downright depressing at it's worst. I'm no advocate of Pulis but under the current manager we are facing a slide into the Championship, at least Pulis would instill some cohesion and fight into the side.
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So the omnishambles that is currently Aston Villa continues its self orchestrated implosion... please please dear Paul McGrath... let us also be rid of this incompetent manager by the end of the day.
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Sorry but we would be 10 times better off even with Pulis in charge over Lambert
I want to watch the Villa and be entertained, in all the games I have seen Villa up against a Pulis team I have gone away thinking how can the fans of his team watch that brand of anti football week after week? If Lambert was asked to step aside I would hope that the owner has more foresight than looking at Pulis, because crowds would soon fall below 25k regularly.
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But Pulis would very likely keep us up. Do you have any confidence that a Lerner picked successor to Lambert would manage that should Lambert ever be sacked? Pulis might well end up at Leicester whilst we dither along anyway.
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It just shows how bad things are at Villa when people are calling for us to get in Pulis who's brand of football is simply awful to watch.
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It just shows how bad things are at Villa when people are calling for us to get in Pulis who's brand of football is simply awful to watch.
I cannot see us dramaticall improving until we are under new ownership and even that brings great risks. Until that time all I want is for villa to retain their place in this league as relegation would be disastrous. If Pulis was the man to guarantee that then it's ok with me.
Nothing we please me more than for Villa under Lambert to go on a winning run and show me that I am wrong to write him/them off. It just seems to me that relegation is coming this year and we are stumbling blindly towards it.
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Steve Clarke would be a decent appointment - mentioned fleetingly here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11262182/Roy-Keane-plunges-Aston-Villa-into-turmoil-and-Fabian-Delph-could-also-exit-in-January-transfer-window.html
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Steve Clarke would be a decent appointment - mentioned fleetingly here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11262182/Roy-Keane-plunges-Aston-Villa-into-turmoil-and-Fabian-Delph-could-also-exit-in-January-transfer-window.html
Also mentioned In the Grauniad.
Steve Clarke might well work but I'm now at the point where any action is simply putting lipstick on a pig.
Lambert has to go. Period.
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If we lose to Burnley he will be sacked.
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He has to be. It would be 9 games without a win, 2 goals, 2 points from 27. It could not actually be any worse than that.
Steve Clarke would be an excellent appointment as his assistant.
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Steve Clarke would be a decent appointment - mentioned fleetingly here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11262182/Roy-Keane-plunges-Aston-Villa-into-turmoil-and-Fabian-Delph-could-also-exit-in-January-transfer-window.html
Also mentioned In the Grauniad.
Steve Clarke might well work but I'm now at the point where any action is simply putting lipstick on a pig.
Lambert has to go. Period.
Whose or what period?
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He has to be. It would be 9 games without a win, 2 goals, 2 points from 27. It could not actually be any worse than that.
Steve Clarke would be an excellent appointment as his assassin.
Fixed
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Royston is a prat.
But he is a competitor and it must have killed him to sit on his hands and watch our flakey set of chancers go through the motions.
I don't think it would have escaped his attention that we lack direction from the top either. Rather than giving out to the players, it's quite likely that he couldn't bite his tongue any longer and gave Lambert both barrels.
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It just shows how bad things are at Villa when people are calling for us to get in Pulis who's brand of football is simply awful to watch.
Pulis plays better football than Lambert. And at least his teams know what they're doing and win the odd game.
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Steve Clarke would be a decent appointment - mentioned fleetingly here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11262182/Roy-Keane-plunges-Aston-Villa-into-turmoil-and-Fabian-Delph-could-also-exit-in-January-transfer-window.html
Also mentioned In the Grauniad.
Steve Clarke might well work but I'm now at the point where any action is simply putting lipstick on a pig.
Lambert has to go. Period.
Exactly
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Ideally you'd want Lambert to be following Keane out of the door asap. The changes in the backroom staff (and new players) haven't improved our playing style or results one little bit, and therefore the manager must be the common denominator behind it. But IF he must stay, I'd be looking for an assistant with a history of coaching a decent team, preferably with a Villa connection/ affinity, and above all - I think we desperately need someone with charisma and sense of humour who will walk in with a smile on their face and lift the gloom from around the place.
The man who fits that criteria?
John Gregory.
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Better if he had gone earlier Mike Phelan would have been a good Assistant but has gone to Norwich now.
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It just shows how bad things are at Villa when people are calling for us to get in Pulis who's brand of football is simply awful to watch.
Pulis plays better football than Lambert. And at least his teams know what they're doing and win the odd game.
All of that might be true but it's not enough for me to want him anywhere near the Villa. I find it odd that after the way we felt about MON flouncing out right before the start of the season people are considering a man who did the same to Palace.
I think it is academic as I don't think Lerner has the appetite to go through the process again but for the sake of argument if we do make a change we should set our sights a little higher.
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Ideally you'd want Lambert to be following Keane out of the door asap. The changes in the backroom staff (and new players) haven't improved our playing style or results one little bit, and therefore the manager must be the common denominator behind it. But IF he must stay, I'd be looking for an assistant with a history of coaching a decent team, preferably with a Villa connection/ affinity, and above all - I think we desperately need someone with charisma and sense of humour who will walk in with a smile on their face and lift the gloom from around the place.
The man who fits that criteria?
John Gregory.
He's lost nearly half his games at Crawley, lost more than he's won with every club and has generally been poor since his time with us.
No thanks.
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Frankly, I think the common reaction to get back someone - anyone - from the Villa past to manage us now is a bit Newcastle if not, Christ forbid, a bit Liverpool. What we actually need is someone completely different to anything we've had before.
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What we actually need is someone completely different to anything we've had before.
I do agree with this, but it would also need to be backed by a substantial bit of spending, as we have a squad which is dismally lacking in quality - it would take a new coach of extraordinary ability to get the majority of our cloggers playing a different, more modern brand of football.
So with that in mind, we're in a bit of a bind. I suppose the best we could aim for is a kind of middle ground, someone who can get a team playing some good stuff, but can also make use of some of the more, er, agricultural players we have until a significant turnaround in playing staff has happened.
God knows who that could be, though.
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He has to be. It would be 9 games without a win, 2 goals, 2 points from 27. It could not actually be any worse than that.
Without trying to sound too pedantic, it actually could be worse than that ;-) - the fact that those 2 points came in the last couple of games are likely to viewed by some as "turning things around", which is a worry as it is nothing of the sort.
This is not the way to attract new owners, who would want to buy into this shambles now..?
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He has to be. It would be 9 games without a win, 2 goals, 2 points from 27. It could not actually be any worse than that.
Without trying to sound too pedantic, it actually could be worse than that ;-) - the fact that those 2 points came in the last couple of games are likely to viewed by some as "turning things around", which is a worry as it is nothing of the sort.
This is not the way to attract new owners, who would want to buy into this shambles now..?
The last 3 results are just prolonging the agony for me.
If we had lost them all and Lambert was sacked there is a chance we could make up the points quickly with a couple of wins.
I find it really difficult to even contemplate wanting Villa to lose but must admit I steeled myself for it last Monday against Southampton in the vain hope we would turn on him at home. This is a slow death.
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I think it is the away fans WW who will turn on him first. Once they have had enough of him they will let him know loud and clear and the apathy which seems to hang over VP like a shroud will get blown away.
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Frankly, I think the common reaction to get back someone - anyone - from the Villa past to manage us now is a bit Newcastle if not, Christ forbid, a bit Liverpool. What we actually need is someone completely different to anything we've had before.
Agreed. We need someone like Jurgen Klinsmann. Someone of that status to invigorate the club from top to bottom. This kind of leader costs money. We dont have the money required.
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We would be lucky to get David O'Leary back, let alone Klinsmann, club is being run like a joke and what manager would want to come to us with the club in limbo as it is?
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I think it is the away fans WW who will turn on him first. Once they have had enough of him they will let him know loud and clear and the apathy which seems to hang over VP like a shroud will get blown away.
Frankly, I think the common reaction to get back someone - anyone - from the Villa past to manage us now is a bit Newcastle if not, Christ forbid, a bit Liverpool. What we actually need is someone completely different to anything we've had before.
Ah you mean someone who is tactically astute, can get the players doing the basics like passing and moving and controlling, who knows how to entertain the crowd bit. and how to win games, someone who has a plan A, B, C and D and can adapt to use whichever suits the situation. Preferably no more dour, dull and talentless Scots and other Celts, and no English chancers who talk a good game but know fack all. In short, a foreign coach with a bit of pedigree would be nice.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/roy-keanes-shock-aston-villa-4719930
Roy Keane walked out on Aston Villa to the sound of cheering from Paul Lambert’s dressing-room, writes Neil Moxley in the Sunday People.
Villa’s players broke into applause when the Irishman’s exit was confirmed on Friday morning.
But that goodwill among Lambert’s players was not shared by the 4,100 travelling fans at Turf Moor, who called for their manager’s head during and after the 1-1 draw against struggling Burnley on Saturday.
The Scot was jeered by his own supporters after Danny Ings’ late penalty cancelled out Joe Cole’s first-half opener.
But 24 hours earlier it was a different story when Keane announced his departure, citing a need to spend more time with his family.
Keane only joined Paul Lambert's backroom team in July
The 43-year-old former Sunderland and Ipswich manager said that doubling up his commitments with Villa and Ireland was proving too much for him.
And although he walked and was not sacked by Villa boss Lambert, the club’s first-team squad were still happy to see the back of him.
Matters came to a head after Villa’s toothless defeat to QPR at Loftus Road last month. Manchester United legend Keane rounded on several Villa players, calling them out after a pitiful display during the loss.
Insiders have confirmed to Sunday People Sport that Keane suffered “a real head loss” following their no-show in west London.
But it was Lambert whose head was being demanded by the supporters as large sections of the fans made their feelings known in Lancashire.
The Villans' boss did not duck the issue, and said: “I heard it. These guys pay their money and I have absolutely no problem with it. This football club is massive and the expectancy level is huge.”
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So Keane "lost it" after the QPR game ?
Who can blame him, it was a pitiful showing from the players that night.
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When the manager constantly makes excuses publicly maybe Keane saw through it and called them out. Lambert has been defending the players constantly and they've become soft mentally. Keane likely told them all exactly what he thought of them and things deteriorated between him, the squad and manager quickly thereafter.
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Agreed, if true it appears that Keane was just saying what we are all thinking but McThickie and his players didn't like it.
I'd wish nothing but footballing ill on the lot of them if they weren't wearing Villa shirts.
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Yep, its fair to say the scowley faced bastard definately had a point about the players. Bit of a shame he's gone in that respect, i can't see anyone else at the club being quite so brutally honest about how wank they are. Having some of them pinned against the wall with his hand around their throat wouldn't have been too over the top after QPR.
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Without stating the obvious something is very wrong at the club. Faulkner , Doogan and Keane gone in recent weeks, senior players winding down contracts . The club is simply a shambles.
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If our delicate wallflowers cannot stand being given a bollocking after a poor performance, the sooner they follow Lambert out the door the better.
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When the manager constantly makes excuses publicly maybe Keane saw through it and called them out. Lambert has been defending the players constantly and they've become soft mentally. Keane likely told them all exactly what he thought of them and things deteriorated between him, the squad and manager quickly thereafter.
Well Roy Keane is not one to be associated with shirkers. Not in any way at all. But he was on a loser telling them the truth. The truth hurts
but most of them are on good contracts and as safe as houses... as is Lambert.
Dont blame Keane at all.
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When the manager constantly makes excuses publicly maybe Keane saw through it and called them out. Lambert has been defending the players constantly and they've become soft mentally. Keane likely told them all exactly what he thought of them and things deteriorated between him, the squad and manager quickly thereafter.
Well Roy Keane is not one to be associated with shirkers. Not in any way at all.
Based on every managerial job he's had so far, nor is he associated with competent man-management skills either.
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When the manager constantly makes excuses publicly maybe Keane saw through it and called them out. Lambert has been defending the players constantly and they've become soft mentally. Keane likely told them all exactly what he thought of them and things deteriorated between him, the squad and manager quickly thereafter.
Well Roy Keane is not one to be associated with shirkers. Not in any way at all.
Based on every managerial job he's had so far, nor is he associated with competent man-management skills either.
As he freely admits in his book. But the manager and first team coach have different relationships with the players, so perhaps he struggled to adapt to the secondary role (at club level, anyway). The stuff in his book was always going to be something to throw in his face if someone disagreed with him and he's only got himself to blame for that.
It was worth a try and it didn't work out.
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I see he is in the London Irish dressing room for their match against Gloucester today. He must have identified a demographic where his book sales are flagging. Irish lost by the way. By some margin. I think that is London Irish's fifth or sixth straight defeat. What a talisman.
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When the manager constantly makes excuses publicly maybe Keane saw through it and called them out. Lambert has been defending the players constantly and they've become soft mentally. Keane likely told them all exactly what he thought of them and things deteriorated between him, the squad and manager quickly thereafter.
Well Roy Keane is not one to be associated with shirkers. Not in any way at all.
Based on every managerial job he's had so far, nor is he associated with competent man-management skills either.
The truth is likely somewhere in between. He had very high standards as a player and won everything domestically in the game. He knows what it takes to get to that level, and sometimes the greats simply don't communicate that well. Add to that his temper or lack thereof and it isn't a great combination for having patience with players not at that level both in ability or mentally. I imagine he just finally snapped, something that most of us figured would happen at some point anyway. He also probably got tired of losing week in week out, and had the luxury unlike the rest of us of getting out while he could.
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My younger son when I sent him a text "Keane has done one" replied "bear shits in woods." My kids are brilliant. Bit coarse like their dad, but brilliant none the less.
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Besides the timing I don't think it is that much of a surprise and Keane is that sort of character. While, I don't think he had that much of an impact while at Villa when you are struggling and have a lot of games coming up in a short space of time then it is bad timing. He could have waited until after Christmas.
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Keane leaving isn't the biggest surprise of the season. Probably just as well. He doesn't like losing, and normally that might be a good quality. However as a coach he seems unable to help the players winning, so in this particular instance it might not be such a good quality at all. Probably having him hanging around any longer would just have added friction and unhappiness until the inevitable happened anyway.
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Keane leaving isn't the biggest surprise of the season.
Keane joining was the biggest surprise for me
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We don't know the ins and outs of whose decision it was he want and it's timing.
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I reckon he rumbled a few both on the pitch and in the dug out and they didn't like it.
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I look forward to finding out the full story in the next part of his autobiography.
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I look forward to finding out the full story in the next part of his autobiography.
This.
I think Pat Murphy's point on Monday about people reading more into this because of it being Roy Keane was a telling one.
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Ineptitude winds Keane up no end. It's no surprise if he started having arguments in training if players aren't hitting the levels he would expect. I guess to a large extent Keane will always compare whichever side he manages, or coaches to a good Forest side and an exceptional Utd side, which possibly isn't always fair, though in terms of application it should be.
Our players evidently aren't fit enough and in terms of game plan and organisation it's an absolute joke. Keanes a prick but I'm kind of with him on this one. If he hasn't really been able to impart as much influence as he would like, there's little point on him staying.
There's too little urgency and pressure at Villa right now. Too many players happy to coast in their last Premier League gig, and feeling like bore draws or narrow defeats constitute excellent performances.
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Ineptitude winds Keane up no end. It's no surprise if he started having arguments in training if players aren't hitting the levels he would expect. I guess to a large extent Keane will always compare whichever side he manages, or coaches to a good Forest side and an exceptional Utd side, which possibly isn't always fair, though in terms of application it should be.
Our players evidently aren't fit enough and in terms of game plan and organisation it's an absolute joke. Keanes a prick but I'm kind of with him on this one. If he hasn't really been able to impart as much influence as he would like, there's little point on him staying.
There's too little urgency and pressure at Villa right now. Too many players happy to coast in their last Premier League gig, and feeling like bore draws or narrow defeats constitute excellent performances.
It's the Manager who keeps telling us/them that the team were ''excellent'' when it's blatantly untrue.
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Ineptitude winds Keane up no end. It's no surprise if he started having arguments in training if players aren't hitting the levels he would expect. I guess to a large extent Keane will always compare whichever side he manages, or coaches to a good Forest side and an exceptional Utd side, which possibly isn't always fair, though in terms of application it should be.
Our players evidently aren't fit enough and in terms of game plan and organisation it's an absolute joke. Keanes a prick but I'm kind of with him on this one. If he hasn't really been able to impart as much influence as he would like, there's little point on him staying.
There's too little urgency and pressure at Villa right now. Too many players happy to coast in their last Premier League gig, and feeling like bore draws or narrow defeats constitute excellent performances.
It's the Manager who keeps telling us/them that the team were ''excellent'' when it's blatantly untrue.
I know. It winds me up no end. Not so much because I think its just for the cameras (because I've seen the likes of Fergie praising some lamentable performances for the sake of the cameras) but because you can see that Lambert genuinely seems to believe it. He'd pass the Kyle lie detector test that's for sure.
It also seems good enough for many of our squad as a consequence and it certainly doesn't seem to bother Randy any more.
Keane I think probably left before an inevitable explosion of Haaland proportions. As we all knew he probably would. He's a twat but I'm not surprised he can't handle the ineptitude at the club.
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I guess to a large extent Keane will always compare whichever side he manages, or coaches to a good Forest side and an exceptional Utd side, which possibly isn't always fair, though in terms of application it should be.
Didn't his Forest side get relegated?
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I guess to a large extent Keane will always compare whichever side he manages, or coaches to a good Forest side and an exceptional Utd side, which possibly isn't always fair, though in terms of application it should be.
Didn't his Forest side get relegated?
He did but I suppose he still looks back at working with Clough (even during a bad period) as something aspirational. I think they had a couple of cup finals around his time didn't they?? It was a decent side that went down too. Though to be fair they came up and then finished quite high (3rd?).
Too long ago. I can't remember.
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""I don't care about Keano...he don't care about me......"" all I care about is AVFC....""
good riddance to bad rubbish :)
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Ineptitude winds Keane up no end. It's no surprise if he started having arguments in training if players aren't hitting the levels he would expect. I guess to a large extent Keane will always compare whichever side he manages, or coaches to a good Forest side and an exceptional Utd side, which possibly isn't always fair, though in terms of application it should be.
Our players evidently aren't fit enough and in terms of game plan and organisation it's an absolute joke. Keanes a prick but I'm kind of with him on this one. If he hasn't really been able to impart as much influence as he would like, there's little point on him staying.
There's too little urgency and pressure at Villa right now. Too many players happy to coast in their last Premier League gig, and feeling like bore draws or narrow defeats constitute excellent performances.
But that is if you assume the rumours are true? We don't know for sure that there was any training ground bust up. Again returning to Pat Murphy's comments from friday, he said that there had been a bit of a dressing down following the QPR match, but that there had been nothing further. And Darren Bent had said nothing but positive things to say about Keane. And that is coming from a player out in the cold as far as his Villa future is concerned. I just think that Keane decided that the arrangement wasn't suiting him anymore and felt it was time to quit. As simple as that. The timing was arratic, but that is Keane for you.
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Maybe he felt he was banging his head against a brickwall with Lambert - not taking his advice? Or that he saw himself as a distraction that wasn't fully committed to the role and felt some responsibility for that? Or just a rat getting out while he can!
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Ineptitude winds Keane up no end. It's no surprise if he started having arguments in training if players aren't hitting the levels he would expect. I guess to a large extent Keane will always compare whichever side he manages, or coaches to a good Forest side and an exceptional Utd side, which possibly isn't always fair, though in terms of application it should be.
Our players evidently aren't fit enough and in terms of game plan and organisation it's an absolute joke. Keanes a prick but I'm kind of with him on this one. If he hasn't really been able to impart as much influence as he would like, there's little point on him staying.
There's too little urgency and pressure at Villa right now. Too many players happy to coast in their last Premier League gig, and feeling like bore draws or narrow defeats constitute excellent performances.
But that is if you assume the rumours are true? We don't know for sure that there was any training ground bust up. Again returning to Pat Murphy's comments from friday, he said that there had been a bit of a dressing down following the QPR match, but that there had been nothing further. And Darren Bent had said nothing but positive things to say about Keane. And that is coming from a player out in the cold as far as his Villa future is concerned. I just think that Keane decided that the arrangement wasn't suiting him anymore and felt it was time to quit. As simple as that. The timing was arratic, but that is Keane for you.
In terms of the rumours of a big bust up I don't think they're true. I think it's the papers putting 2 and 2 together. But I wouldn't have any doubts that Keane just got fed up with the job. His enthusiasm from the job almost immediately dropped as soon as his book came out.
In all honesty I'd said from day one he'd last till November tops. That proved to be the case and I'm sure the vast majority of us probably felt similar. Keano just doesn't have the patience to be in a job like this. If things are going right, he's okay, but when they don't go alright he can't hack it. He can't bite his tongue. He either walks, gets fired, or he'll have a meltdown and then walk or get fired.
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How much difference did Keane or anyone else in that job (with Lambert) make? seriously... does this role of coach or assistant manager, or whatever, change a lot depending on the manager?
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Am I imagining it, or was it once said that part of Ferguson's success was that he kept bringing in new assistants with new ideas?
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My guess is that Keane became exasperated with both the ability and application of the squad as they do not compare to what he expects.
I also think that, as previously, he lacks the man management skills to coerce and coach the players to reach the standards that he demands. Once he saw that he was 'losing' the dressing room he decide to quit rather than change his style himself (i.e. commit long term/change).
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Am I imagining it, or was it once said that part of Ferguson's success was that he kept bringing in new assistants with new ideas?
That's pretty true, all of their assistants got a glowing reputation working as his number 2 and then got jobs elsewhere and struggled being 'the main man', true for Kidd, Mclaren and Queiroz at least.
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Am I imagining it, or was it once said that part of Ferguson's success was that he kept bringing in new assistants with new ideas?
That's pretty true, all of their assistants got a glowing reputation working as his number 2 and then got jobs elsewhere and struggled being 'the main man', true for Kidd, Mclaren and Queiroz at least.
Apart from those short spells with Wolfsburg and Forest I wouldn't really say that McClaren's career has been that bad. Gave Middlesbrough and Twente the best times they'd ever had in their history and now doing very impressive things with Derby.
Even with England, it's not as if losing matches against that Croatia and that Russia side is a complete embarrassment as they were both very good teams.
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Am I imagining it, or was it once said that part of Ferguson's success was that he kept bringing in new assistants with new ideas?
That's pretty true, all of their assistants got a glowing reputation working as his number 2 and then got jobs elsewhere and struggled being 'the main man', true for Kidd, Mclaren and Queiroz at least.
Apart from those short spells with Wolfsburg and Forest I wouldn't really say that McClaren's career has been that bad. Gave Middlesbrough and Twente the best times they'd ever had in their history and now doing very impressive things with Derby.
Even with England, it's not as if losing matches against that Croatia and that Russia side is a complete embarrassment as they were both very good teams.
There's not many managers in the UK outside the real top ones that have achieved what Mclaren has in the game, yes he's had his bad times but overall he's proved himself a bloody good manager in my view
The only reason he's not working with a bigger club in the prem is because of what he looks like and sounds like, people just don't warm to him he's a bit bland and comes over a tad boring, Curbishley suffers in the same way
I would be quite happy with him at Villa, I'd certainly take him over Pullis
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Am I imagining it, or was it once said that part of Ferguson's success was that he kept bringing in new assistants with new ideas?
That's pretty true, all of their assistants got a glowing reputation working as his number 2 and then got jobs elsewhere and struggled being 'the main man', true for Kidd, Mclaren and Queiroz at least.
Apart from those short spells with Wolfsburg and Forest I wouldn't really say that McClaren's career has been that bad. Gave Middlesbrough and Twente the best times they'd ever had in their history and now doing very impressive things with Derby.
Even with England, it's not as if losing matches against that Croatia and that Russia side is a complete embarrassment as they were both very good teams.
There's not many managers in the UK outside the real top ones that have achieved what Mclaren has in the game, yes he's had his bad times but overall he's proved himself a bloody good manager in my view
The only reason he's not working with a bigger club in the prem is because of what he looks like and sounds like, people just don't warm to him he's a bit bland and comes over a tad boring, Curbishley suffers in the same way
I would be quite happy with him at Villa, I'd certainly take him over Pullis
I don't mean they can't do the job, I mean they didn't handle the pressure all that well, Mclaren struggled with the pressure at England (his results weren't terrible but he did what pretty much any half decent coach could've done with those players and nothing more), he just didn't have the personality to handle such a big job. That's what a meant, basically all guys that are good coaches but aren't necessarily the right people to have doing press interviews and being seen as the 'boss' from the outside.
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I got burned for this recently when my memory was playing tricks on me regarding McClaren and his link with us a few years ago. I though some fan shroud waving forced Randy to pull out of a proposed interview, but the consensus was that Dutch Steve blew his interview, failing to impress Lerner and whom ever else was on the panel. If true I don't think he's rush back , if Uncle Randy came calling soon, but I rate the guy highly, particularly as a coach, which, as we are all agreed, is an area that needs significant improvement.
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Am I imagining it, or was it once said that part of Ferguson's success was that he kept bringing in new assistants with new ideas?
That's pretty true, all of their assistants got a glowing reputation working as his number 2 and then got jobs elsewhere and struggled being 'the main man', true for Kidd, Mclaren and Queiroz at least.
Apart from those short spells with Wolfsburg and Forest I wouldn't really say that McClaren's career has been that bad. Gave Middlesbrough and Twente the best times they'd ever had in their history and now doing very impressive things with Derby.
Even with England, it's not as if losing matches against that Croatia and that Russia side is a complete embarrassment as they were both very good teams.
I wonder if he hasn't felt the pressure at Boro, Twente and Derby like he did for England and would he handle a big job like Villa? It'll be interesting to see how he does if a big club ever takes a punt on him again.
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His biggest club job was Wolfsburg and that went very badly, so you could well be right on the pressure thing.
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What we need first and foremost without question is a chairman with ambition and a large wallet which he is willing to open. Sadly With Lerner we haven't, and it whoever is in charge of the team will continue to struggle at the wrong end of the table.
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My younger son when I sent him a text "Keane has done one" replied "bear shits in woods." My kids are brilliant. Bit coarse like their dad, but brilliant none the less.
I know someone who is at Man City (not a player -Head of scouting or something)and he sent me an email saying something along the lines of, "It's not like keane to walk out of a job is it"? Everyone saw it coming.
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I agree about Mclahan's mangerial career not looking too bad, and if he gets Derby up this season it will look even better. I still think he is much better as a number two. In fact I would have him to replace Keane, but there is no point discussing it as he will see out the Derby job and won't be availble for awhile.
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Some just aren't cut out to be managers but it doesn't make them bad coaches - McClaren being a prime example.
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If changing backroom staff gets us results then I suggest we randomly sack someone before each game.
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If changing backroom staff gets us results then I suggest we randomly sack someone before each game.
agreed...oh and thanks for the 3 points Roy..:)
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Some just aren't cut out to be managers but it doesn't make them bad coaches - McClaren being a prime example.
You do know he's won the league and a cup competition as a manager ?
And it was the Dutch league which isn't to shabby, they play decent football there, you won't get away with hit and hope
The England thing is a misnomer everyone's failed at that, even Capello who's won the lot
I'm not saying he hasn't had his failures, he has, but that's not always a bad thing
I think it was Dave Woodhall who recently said he would rather have a manager who has had a few bad experiences elsewhere than someone who has had nothing but everything going right
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Am I imagining it, or was it once said that part of Ferguson's success was that he kept bringing in new assistants with new ideas?
That's pretty true, all of their assistants got a glowing reputation working as his number 2 and then got jobs elsewhere and struggled being 'the main man', true for Kidd, Mclaren and Queiroz at least.
Apart from those short spells with Wolfsburg and Forest I wouldn't really say that McClaren's career has been that bad. Gave Middlesbrough and Twente the best times they'd ever had in their history and now doing very impressive things with Derby.
Even with England, it's not as if losing matches against that Croatia and that Russia side is a complete embarrassment as they were both very good teams.
There's not many managers in the UK outside the real top ones that have achieved what Mclaren has in the game, yes he's had his bad times but overall he's proved himself a bloody good manager in my view
The only reason he's not working with a bigger club in the prem is because of what he looks like and sounds like, people just don't warm to him he's a bit bland and comes over a tad boring, Curbishley suffers in the same way
I would be quite happy with him at Villa, I'd certainly take him over Pullis
I don't mean they can't do the job, I mean they didn't handle the pressure all that well, Mclaren struggled with the pressure at England (his results weren't terrible but he did what pretty much any half decent coach could've done with those players and nothing more), he just didn't have the personality to handle such a big job. That's what a meant, basically all guys that are good coaches but aren't necessarily the right people to have doing press interviews and being seen as the 'boss' from the outside.
The England job was probably too soon for him in all honesty - something even he's admitted in the past. I think the real reason for his unfair malignment was the treatment he got from the press
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Some just aren't cut out to be managers but it doesn't make them bad coaches - McClaren being a prime example.
True Matt, yet when they have had a managerial job they seem reticent to want to go back to being a coach. So much so that they often end up managing in the lower leagues rather than coaching in the top division.
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As a manager would say he is a solid-strong Championship coach but am not so if he could do it in the top flight. But certainly have changed my view on him recently. Derby were hash to sack Clough Jr but fact is under him they were a mid-table club who had an outside chance of the play-offs but now they are one of the automatic promotion favourites.
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Steve's done a good job so far and all trace of that silly Dutch accent has gone - he can now Nah theen and Alrate youth wiv the best of them
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Interesting point re pressure and whether he can handle it. This would be his biggest club football manager job, so a certain amount of pressure is guaranteed. Look at it another way, though, and if he took on our manager job at the end of the season, he'd only have to improve on four years of absolute shite to be seen as doing well.
Which is similar to what we said about Lambert when he joined, mind, and look how that is turning out.
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Interesting point re pressure and whether he can handle it. This would be his biggest club football manager job, so a certain amount of pressure is guaranteed. Look at it another way, though, and if he took on our manager job at the end of the season, he'd only have to improve on four years of absolute shite to be seen as doing well.
Which is similar to what we said about Lambert when he joined, mind, and look how that is turning out.
Good point Paulie but after the England job I imagine the pressure at Villa would be a doddle.
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Interesting point re pressure and whether he can handle it. This would be his biggest club football manager job, so a certain amount of pressure is guaranteed. Look at it another way, though, and if he took on our manager job at the end of the season, he'd only have to improve on four years of absolute shite to be seen as doing well.
Which is similar to what we said about Lambert when he joined, mind, and look how that is turning out.
It is a big club but I don't think there would be much pressure, certainly externally hence why we're often described as a sleeping (comatose) giant. I think one of our current weaknesses is that there is a lack of accountability and in essence the perception from players (maybe managers) that Villa can be an 'easy life'. The real pressure would only come once we were pestering Spurs, maybe Newcastle and obviously the 'Big 4' and I'd welcome that in a flash.
I'd be pretty delighted with McClaren to be honest, especially if there was an appointment above him in the hierarchy who would allow him to concentrate on coaching.
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Am I imagining it, or was it once said that part of Ferguson's success was that he kept bringing in new assistants with new ideas?
Yes i have seen that written. Not sure if that can be proved to be true though.
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I don't see there being much pressure as manager of Villa; nobody expects anything of us any more. It would have been different when Lerner took over and spent a lot, but these days managers get a relatively easy ride. You only have to see how Lambert has escaped criticism from pretty much anywhere other than on the internet to see that.
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I don't see there being much pressure as manager of Villa; nobody expects anything of us any more. It would have been different when Lerner took over and spent a lot, but these days managers get a relatively easy ride. You only have to see how Lambert has escaped criticism from pretty much anywhere other than on the internet to see that.
Disagree. The pressure is more intense now than ever. It's nothing to do with those outside of the Villa cauldron but us fans expect someone to take us closer to where we belong. The longer the absence goes the more difficult we will make it for any manager who cannot do it. If Lambert one day gets the boot then the next manager will find us in a pretty unforgiving mood from the start especially if the boot is the result of prolonged crowd reaction to results.
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I think there is immense pressure as Villa manager. Just because we've not had success lately doesn't meant that a club of this size shouldn't be in the mix. We're not one of the smaller sides just happy to be a PL club, we've been in it for a good while. That and the fact that it takes just a tiny glimpse of the sun through the clouds to get us properly fired up again. A few short years after O'Leary was working hard to soil our name Villa Park was often at capacity under MON and the expectation levels went through the roof. It can happen again, and will.
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If there really was pressure Lambert would not be in a job.
The longer we bump along the bottom the easier it gets for the manager expectations are low.
The media already ignore us.
The pressure at Newcastle is a lot greater than Villa for example.
It shouldn't be but it is.
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Depends what you mean by pressure. Or rather who the pressure is coming from.
Theres always a lot of pressure from the fans because generally our expectations are so high. More or less no pressure on Lambert from the board/owner though.
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What pressure from the fans? Lambert has been pretty fucking useless for years and there's hardly been a whimper of dissatisfaction.
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7 points out of 9 since he left.
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7 points out of 9 since he left.
Against the bottom two and a shit Palace. I wouldn't read too much into it.
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Go and get Steve Clarke this week.
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Go and get Steve Clarke this week.
I know it's probably the not the way to look at this but is getting an assistant who clearly now has a taste for being manager the right way to go. Not contesting his qualifications as he'd be a good choice, but when the next PL opportunity or Championship job comes up he might be linked. He'd be a good hire though if we could get him even for a year or two.
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Back to back wins since hes gone, good riddance.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2872154/Roy-Keane-created-poisonous-atmosphere-Aston-Villa-explosive-training-ground-feud-Gabriel-Agbonlahor-final-straw-led-departure.html
Maybe a reason for Delph wanting out......
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Re Daily Mail linked in the previous post; that is the sort of thing they do very well.
Shit that they hope sticks.
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I wonder who "a source" might be.
Alan Hutton was interviewed fairly recently, and he said that that Keane had been great for the club, and he hoped the intensity brought to training sessions would continue.
If there is any substance to the Heil article, then Paul Lambert is a barefaced liar.
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Nobody comes out of that well.
Keane, unsurprisingly, comes across as a moody git that's got no time for anyone without the ability he had or the willingness to blindly accept whatever he's saying / demanding.
The line about Villa players "not being paid enough to put up with that kind of shit" is in itself shit.
Either Keane's demands were unreasonable, regardless of how much you're being paid as a professional footballer, or too many in the squad are on easy street and couldn't be bothered to listen to someone who'll probably have won more titles and cups than our current squad will put together. Salary shouldn't come into it.
Alternatively the whole article is shit stirring lies.
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Stirring shit? In the Daily Hate? Surely not
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No idea if any of that's true. But if it were true, it does t reflect wellin villa's squad at all. Not paid enough to turn up on time and put in a shift to the highest standards for a four hour day at work? Fuck me
On an only somewhat related point, it reminds me of a story I heard about Clive Woodward at Southampton. He tried to translate the discipline from rugby players' penalty kicking into football players'. He was convinced that with sufficient repetition you could train players to stick a penalty in either top corner with great consistency - ie unsavable. But the majority of footballers just wouldn't live with it. They just didn't have the discipline and rigour to do the practice
I don't know if either story is remotely true though so I won't criticise too much!
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Keane was obviously a tit, but this reflects awfully on the players.
‘The problem with Keane is that he demands the same standards that he was used to at United and the lads at Villa don’t get paid enough to put up with that kind of c**p. He just got everybody down.’
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It is understood the long-serving Villa star was talking tactics with Lambert
Something about this story just doesn't add up.
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Article sounds about right. In a way his mission was achieved in the sense he fired a rocket up a few backsides at BH .
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It is understood the long-serving Villa star was talking tactics with Lambert
Something about this story just doesn't add up.
Exactly. How do they expect is to believe this rubbish
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Someone was probably asked how they felt about Keane going and they may have mentioned that they were happy and that there had been ructions. That's the same in any club at all levels of football. its turned a non-story into something more. I wouldn't be surprised if Keane left because he thought hbe was knocking his head against a brick wall with unresponsive players than anything.
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No idea if any of that's true. But if it were true, it does t reflect wellin villa's squad at all. Not paid enough to turn up on time and put in a shift to the highest standards for a four hour day at work? Fuck me
On an only somewhat related point, it reminds me of a story I heard about Clive Woodward at Southampton. He tried to translate the discipline from rugby players' penalty kicking into football players'. He was convinced that with sufficient repetition you could train players to stick a penalty in either top corner with great consistency - ie unsavable. But the majority of footballers just wouldn't live with it. They just didn't have the discipline and rigour to do the practice
I don't know if either story is remotely true though so I won't criticise too much!
I bet it is. Jonny Wilikinson trained and practised relentlessly and that's why his kicking was so accurate.
Ronaldo does it too, he's repeatedly the last player at the training ground and love or loathe him, he makes the most of his talent.
Woodward is right, practise often enough and you should be able to stick a penalty away in the top corner the vast majority of the time, but nobody ever spends enough time on it.
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Its basically a nonsense story that anyone could write up.
Ive never really liked Keane and I hardly ever agree with his opinion. Great player always liked his work ethic and it sounds like his his training sessions were good. But his Man management skills leave a lot to be desired.
As much as you sometimes want to give most footballers a good kick up the arse theres a time a place and balanced way of getting your message across and I don't think Keane has the intelligence or poise to always deliver his point.
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''It is understood the long-serving Villa star was talking tactics with Lambert''
Obviously bullshit.
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No idea if any of that's true. But if it were true, it does t reflect wellin villa's squad at all. Not paid enough to turn up on time and put in a shift to the highest standards for a four hour day at work? Fuck me
On an only somewhat related point, it reminds me of a story I heard about Clive Woodward at Southampton. He tried to translate the discipline from rugby players' penalty kicking into football players'. He was convinced that with sufficient repetition you could train players to stick a penalty in either top corner with great consistency - ie unsavable. But the majority of footballers just wouldn't live with it. They just didn't have the discipline and rigour to do the practice
I don't know if either story is remotely true though so I won't criticise too much!
I bet it is. Jonny Wilikinson trained and practised relentlessly and that's why his kicking was so accurate.
Ronaldo does it too, he's repeatedly the last player at the training ground and love or loathe him, he makes the most of his talent.
Woodward is right, practise often enough and you should be able to stick a penalty away in the top corner the vast majority of the time, but nobody ever spends enough time on it.
Which top class sportsman (a golfer I think) was it who said "people say I am lucky, but it seems the more I practice the luckier I become"?
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Gary Player.
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If and it is a big if, the reference to players saying they aren't paid enough etc etc, then that is ridiculous.
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Senior pros like Hutton and Bent spoke well about Keane which says something. I cant imagine N'Zogbia would have welcomed his arrival however. We move on.
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I believe the bit about N'zogbia, lazy useless fucker
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May not be a 100% correct, but has more than a smell of the truth, to many players at Villa think turning up gives them a right to pick up their wages, how many times have we said players like Gabby just going through the motions, Nzog another prime example. But to me the worse part of this whole episode and for whatever reason he left, was Lambert's judgement to employ him in the first place. His two mates sacked for bullying and now Keane, one constant Lambert.
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I'm not too worried by that to be honest, I think a relative frequent turnover of coaches is a healthy thing (see Ferguson for an example), obviously not at this rate, but I only ever saw Keane as a stop-gap any way so not surprised that it never lasted.
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Yeah Dante, but Ferguson's coaches go, when Ferguson wanted them to go, so he could freshen up things, Lambert has a very poor record of seemingly managing his appointments and also allowing things to develop to the detriment of results.
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Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/roy-keane-aston-villa-exit-4808768)
Roy Keane Aston Villa exit reports "bizarre, shocking nonsense" blasts Paul Lambert
Manager insists his No2 stepped down because he wanted to focus on his job with Ireland and that alleged bust-ups with senior players did not happen
Fuming Paul Lambert has lashed out at claims that Roy Keane’s departure from Aston Villa was because he had fallen out with the club’s players.
Villa manager Lambert spoke out after a report claimed Keane had bust-ups with Gabby Agbonlahor and Fabian Delph and that a number of members of the squad took exception to the way he had spoken to them - leading to a “poisonous” atmosphere at the Midlands club.
But Lambert is adamant that Keane’s departure was simply down to the fact that he couldn’t combine his role at Villa with his other job as the Republic of Ireland national team's assistant manager.
Lambert, speaking after his side’s 1-0 defeat at West Bromwich Albion on Saturday, said: “I find it bizarre. They guy was great for me and great for everyone at the football club.
“So for me this is all absolute nonsense what has been written about him, absolute nonsense.
“There wasn’t even any bad words on anything and that is the disappointing thing. To use the word 'poisonous' as a headline is shocking.
“You can ask any member of staff what they thought of him. He has got a lot of commitments following the Irish national team so I have got nothing but thanks to Roy for coming in.
“The guy is run off his feet with Irish commitments. I respected that. There were no issues whatsoever and I have already gone on record to say that.
"I spoke to Roy this morning and had a chat and I spoke to him last night and had a chat.”
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"I spoke to Roy this morning and had a chat and I spoke to him last night and had a chat.”
"How did you sleep, Roy?"
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The Mails article, including quotes (from who exactly?) is undoubtedly pure invention, but at the same time you'd imagine that the truth of the matter would be similar. Whether it was specifically about the players mentioned, and their quotes, who knows. But Keane is a poisonous personality.
As it is, some of our squad really need an almighty kick up the arse. But they need it for someone who isn't a total sociopath who'd only really come to flog his bloody book. Zogbia and Gabby are both a fucking disgrace this season to be honest.
I'd sack most of the squad if I was in charge. We'd have about 8 players left (if that). Which is why it's a good thing I'm not. But still some of our playing squad have been pathetic this season and need to take a long hard look at themselves. Gabby had apparently fallen fowl of Houllier. He shouldn't be undroppable, he shouldn't be skipper. The Mail have invented most of that, as you'd expect them to, but do I think Gabby probably pissed Keane off no end? Yes I do. N'Zogbia must be a coaches nightmare. He's certainly a fans nightmare. Total waste of space.
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Gabby as captain is laughable, about as inspirational as a kipper in a sock and in what way does he lead by example. If we had any kind of leader he'd be nowhere near the position. We have Gabby and Lambert rousing the team for games, no wonder we are so lethargic and fucking crap in the second half of almost every game we play.
Nzogbia is a classic case of playing the transfer fee, he's been shit here and we put him on a 5 YEAR contract. His best position is in the bomb squad. Joke player, with a heart as small as a peanut.
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May not be a 100% correct, but has more than a smell of the truth, to many players at Villa think turning up gives them a right to pick up their wages, how many times have we said players like Gabby just going through the motions, Nzog another prime example. But to me the worse part of this whole episode and for whatever reason he left, was Lambert's judgement to employ him in the first place. His two mates sacked for bullying and now Keane, one constant Lambert.
Or looking at it the other way, one constant - the players, as you pointed out in your first sentence.
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May not be a 100% correct, but has more than a smell of the truth, to many players at Villa think turning up gives them a right to pick up their wages, how many times have we said players like Gabby just going through the motions, Nzog another prime example. But to me the worse part of this whole episode and for whatever reason he left, was Lambert's judgement to employ him in the first place. His two mates sacked for bullying and now Keane, one constant Lambert.
Or looking at it the other way, one constant - the players, as you pointed out in your first sentence.
I've had a few home brew ciders but have I got thus right? The players are bullying the coaches? Did the players scare off The Legend that is Keane?
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I was speaking to someone who spoke to Jack Grealish's uncle this morning. As many won't be surprised by, Keane has been trying to pressure Jack into choosing to play for Ireland and it all came to a head with Keane giving abuse to some of Jack's family. Jack doesn't want to select Ireland and then go onto have the sort of career where he would have been an England player and regularly going to tournaments. So he's hedging his bets until he gets an idea of where his career might take him. Nobody will be shocked here that Jack's uncle said what a nasty bloke Keane is either.
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given that the European Championships qualification now is so watered down he'd better off choose Ireland. The competition for places is a lot more intense trying to get into the England set up that he would really have to perform at first team level for a while to get noticed. With Ireland the road to international football is significantly shorter.
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May not be a 100% correct, but has more than a smell of the truth, to many players at Villa think turning up gives them a right to pick up their wages, how many times have we said players like Gabby just going through the motions, Nzog another prime example. But to me the worse part of this whole episode and for whatever reason he left, was Lambert's judgement to employ him in the first place. His two mates sacked for bullying and now Keane, one constant Lambert.
Or looking at it the other way, one constant - the players, as you pointed out in your first sentence.
I've had a few home brew ciders but have I got thus right? The players are bullying the coaches? Did the players scare off The Legend that is Keane?
i read it as lambert being too weak to manage the players or his coaching staff.
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I do wonder whether Lambert is doing his job properly in terms of what goes on at BMH.
Culverhouse and Karsa with the alleged bullying, with the training in long ball tacts, either he knew about that and let it continue (which reflects badly on him) or he didn't know about it (which reflects badly on him, too).
Then there is these stories about the atmosphere around Keane. If there were truth in those, again, it suggests he either doesn't know what is going on at his own training ground, or he can't, or won't, do anything to change it.
I appreciate there are things there which we don't know for sure, but some things we do know - his assistants did something bad enough to get themselves sacked, in an industry where nobody really gets "sacked" any more, and their replacement has just left because he, apparently, is finding it hard to reconcile the two jobs, despite Ireland having two matches in the next ten months.
It doesn't inspire confidence.
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It just seems unfathomable that the manager doesn't know what his assistants are doing. I live just outside Colchester now and before the Karsa/Culverhouse thing broke, I met a bloke while playing golf who said he'd worked at Colchester United as a sports therapist while Lambert was there and there was a culture of bullying, starting with the manager. I didn't particularly believe him, to be honest - I didn't know him at all, just someone who asked if I wanted to go round with him and we started chatting about football cos I was wearing a Villa jacket.
Lambert doesn't strike me as a bully at all, but as Karsa/Culverhouse are proven arses and Keane clearly has various temperament issues, it may be that Lambert likes his coaches to be a certain type to offer that sort of motivation.
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Coming out tonight that he went round Tom Cleverley's house and confronted him over stories appearing in the press regarding back room bust up with Delph and Agbonglahor. Keane thought Cleverley was the source.
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Wow! Front page of The Sun no less.
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(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5F0n2dCUAAoSvN.jpg:large)
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And 90% of the support predicted that it would all end very fast and very abruptly in tears appointing a fucking loon like Keane.
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Who'd of seen that coming?
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It'll all come out in the wash.
Imagine having an argument with Gabby.
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Do you think Cleverley was actually the source or Keane just closed his eyes and brought his finger down on the team photo?
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Do you think Cleverley was actually the source or Keane just closed his eyes and brought his finger down on the team photo?
It's his whole love/hate Man Utd thing isn't it?
Thank god he's gone before he did some real damage
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I suspect Keane and cleverly don't live too far apart so he was an easy target.
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It'll all come out in the wash.
Imagine having an argument with Gabby.
It's not possible, is it?
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But it never happened remember... TSM2 mumbled that.
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Maybe Keane thinks TC is still under some hypnotic spell from Fergie. He's just an empty shell of a man acting as a conduit for Ferguson.
Still this is in the Sun so it must be true.
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It'll all come out in the wash.
Imagine having an argument with Gabby.
It's not possible, is it?
He'd look at you blankly like a puppy stood next to big steaming pile of shit.
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My point was the fact the one constant in a whole heap of management shit, is one Mr. Paul Lambert
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Maybe Keane thinks TC is still under some hypnotic spell from Fergie. He's just an empty shell of a man acting as a conduit for Ferguson.
Still this is in the Sun so it must be true.
The Evening Mail carried the same story with the added story that "Keane now believes that it wasn't Cleverley who was behind the rumours of a bust-up and is now looking at another culprit."
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Maybe Keane thinks TC is still under some hypnotic spell from Fergie. He's just an empty shell of a man acting as a conduit for Ferguson.
Still this is in the Sun so it must be true.
The Evening Mail carried the same story with the added story that "Keane now believes that it wasn't Cleverley who was behind the rumours of a bust-up and is now looking at another culprit."
This sounds like a job for Jeremy Kyle and his lie detector.
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It'll all come out in the wash.
Imagine having an argument with Gabby.
The story I've heard (through someone who knows someone at Villa #ITK) is that Lambert was instructing Gabby on the training pitch when Keane chipped in. Gabby responded to this by telling Keane something along the lines of "what's it got to do with you? I was talking to the manager". Being the stable, controlled character that he is, Keane of course just took this insult in his stride and got on with things. Or not.
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With Keane on the lose and on a mission I imagine there will be a lot of curtain twitching in the squad . # mole
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My point was the fact the one constant in a whole heap of management shit, is one Mr. Paul Lambert
On the one hand, we don't know all the details, on the other, the footballing side of things seems to be really, really poorly managed.
Maybe we need a DoF or some other sort of responsible adult to help Lambert out, because this, coming after the shenanigans of two of his closest associates which were so bad, they actually got the sack, something nigh on impossible in football these days, it is hard not to wonder if he is struggling behind the scenes
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Coming out tonight that he went round Tom Cleverley's house and confronted him over stories appearing in the press regarding back room bust up with Delph and Agbonglahor. Keane thought Cleverley was the source.
Roy Keane banging on your front door. I have this image of that scene from The Shining in my mind now
"Here's Roy!!"
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Coming out tonight that he went round Tom Cleverley's house and confronted him over stories appearing in the press regarding back room bust up with Delph and Agbonglahor. Keane thought Cleverley was the source.
Roy Keane banging on your front door. I have this image of that scene from The Shining in my mind now
"Here's Roy!!"
You're going to give us all nightmares!
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I was speaking to someone who spoke to Jack Grealish's uncle this morning. As many won't be surprised by, Keane has been trying to pressure Jack into choosing to play for Ireland and it all came to a head with Keane giving abuse to some of Jack's family. Jack doesn't want to select Ireland and then go onto have the sort of career where he would have been an England player and regularly going to tournaments. So he's hedging his bets until he gets an idea of where his career might take him. Nobody will be shocked here that Jack's uncle said what a nasty bloke Keane is either.
Far from a fan of Keane but if that is the kind of nonsense going through the head of Grealish and his entourage when he has achieved the square root of f*ck all as a player then I would truly worry about "our" Jack
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I was speaking to someone who spoke to Jack Grealish's uncle this morning. As many won't be surprised by, Keane has been trying to pressure Jack into choosing to play for Ireland and it all came to a head with Keane giving abuse to some of Jack's family. Jack doesn't want to select Ireland and then go onto have the sort of career where he would have been an England player and regularly going to tournaments. So he's hedging his bets until he gets an idea of where his career might take him. Nobody will be shocked here that Jack's uncle said what a nasty bloke Keane is either.
Far from a fan of Keane but if that is the kind of nonsense going through the head of Grealish and his entourage when he has achieved the square root of f*ck all as a player then I would truly worry about "our" Jack
What's nonsense about it?
He's an 18 year old to whom a country is desperate to give an international cap in order to commit him to them for life. If he's as inconsequential as you make out, why are Ireland so bothered about capping him when he's so young?
I think it's fair enough that he might think he could be good enough to play for England instead and wants to keep his options open.
Should he just meekly accept playing for Ireland as they were the first ones to show an interest?
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Roy peruses the pages of the third volume of his autobiography:
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I was speaking to someone who spoke to Jack Grealish's uncle this morning. As many won't be surprised by, Keane has been trying to pressure Jack into choosing to play for Ireland and it all came to a head with Keane giving abuse to some of Jack's family. Jack doesn't want to select Ireland and then go onto have the sort of career where he would have been an England player and regularly going to tournaments. So he's hedging his bets until he gets an idea of where his career might take him. Nobody will be shocked here that Jack's uncle said what a nasty bloke Keane is either.
Far from a fan of Keane but if that is the kind of nonsense going through the head of Grealish and his entourage when he has achieved the square root of f*ck all as a player then I would truly worry about "our" Jack
What's wrong with that, though?
He might look at Ryan Giggs and wonder how much better his career would have been had he not pledged himself to Wales. Or Michael Owen if he had opted for Wales rather than England.
If i were him, I'd be conscious of the fact I didn't really have to make a decision yet, so I wouldn't do so.
Far from making it look like his head is in the wrong place, to me it looks like a sign he's a thoughtful kid.
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Pedant alert - Ryan Giggs couldn't have represented any other country than Wales, given that he was born there to Welsh parents
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Pedant alert - Ryan Giggs couldn't have represented any other country than Wales, given that he was born there to Welsh parents
Could he have represented Sierra Leone, via his grandfather?
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Pedant alert - Ryan Giggs couldn't have represented any other country than Wales, given that he was born there to Welsh parents
That's not quite correct but him (or any other player in that situation) attempting to play for a 'home nation' would be near impossible. The issue resides in residency and nationality laws, basically none of the home nations exist as legal nationalities so we're all British but British doesn't exist in a sporting context so they are treated as countries. Where that becomes a bit messy is that laws around nationality and freedom of movement allow you to become nationalised when you move between countries (so Januzaj could've played for England if he'd chosen to, for example) but because England and Wales are just regions within a single country those rules don't apply.
Take an example of how this could be made really messy a scottish couple live and work in London but want to be with their family in Glasgow for the birth of a their child before returning to London. under the agreement which means Giggs can only play for Wales that child would only be eligible to play for Scotland despite living all but the first few days of their life in England. If England selected him but Scotland then appealed that he was actually scottish the end result would put the separate FAs at huge risk of no longer being recognised. That makes it in the best interests of all involved for there to never be any arguments, so in something like the Giggs case regardless of what the press may have said England were probably never interested because they knew Wales were, if that makes sense.
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Pedant alert - Ryan Giggs couldn't have represented any other country than Wales, given that he was born there to Welsh parents
Where that becomes a bit messy is that laws around nationality and freedom of movement allow you to become nationalised when you move between countries (so Januzaj could've played for England if he'd chosen to, for example) but because England and Wales are just regions within a single country those rules don't apply.
He couldn't - the four home nations opted out of the residency rule in 2009.
Young players can still be naturalised if they've had five years of educaction while under the age of 18 within the home nation that they want to qualify for, but Januzaj was still a few years short of that by the time he declared for Belgium.
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Pedant alert - Ryan Giggs couldn't have represented any other country than Wales, given that he was born there to Welsh parents
Didnt he play for England's youth team?
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England Schoolboys. Because he went to an English school
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From Wiki
As a youngster, Giggs captained England Schoolboys, but contrary to popular belief, he was never eligible for the full England team (eligibility at the schoolboy level depends solely upon the location of the school, in Giggs' case Moorside High School in Salford).[113] In October 2009, new rules were introduced for the Home Nations' associations that would have enabled Giggs to represent England had he not already represented Wales in an official competition,[114] but Giggs has always maintained that he would have chosen to play for Wales anyway; he stated in 2002, "I'd rather go through my career without qualifying for a major championship than play for a country where I wasn't born or which my parents didn't have anything to do with".[115]
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Gareth Bale is a better example.
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Pedant alert - Ryan Giggs couldn't have represented any other country than Wales, given that he was born there to Welsh parents
Could he have represented Sierra Leone, via his grandfather?
Nigeria, I think.
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what if your sister-in-law is from a different country, can you play for them?
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If you marry your sister you can play for Small Heath.
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I was speaking to someone who spoke to Jack Grealish's uncle this morning. As many won't be surprised by, Keane has been trying to pressure Jack into choosing to play for Ireland and it all came to a head with Keane giving abuse to some of Jack's family. Jack doesn't want to select Ireland and then go onto have the sort of career where he would have been an England player and regularly going to tournaments. So he's hedging his bets until he gets an idea of where his career might take him. Nobody will be shocked here that Jack's uncle said what a nasty bloke Keane is either.
Far from a fan of Keane but if that is the kind of nonsense going through the head of Grealish and his entourage when he has achieved the square root of f*ck all as a player then I would truly worry about "our" Jack
What's nonsense about it?
He's an 18 year old to whom a country is desperate to give an international cap in order to commit him to them for life. If he's as inconsequential as you make out, why are Ireland so bothered about capping him when he's so young?
I think it's fair enough that he might think he could be good enough to play for England instead and wants to keep his options open.
Should he just meekly accept playing for Ireland as they were the first ones to show an interest?
The country that he has played all his underage football with to date, you make it sound as if it has only been recently discovered that he has Irish connections. Even if Jack himself had changed his mind, Id have far more respect for him if he let his intentions be known publicly rather than this Stephen Ireland esque will he wont he charade. He is not a kid anymore either so hiding behind his entourage shows a lack of gumption. Grealish is older now than Robbie Keane was when he made his debut for Ireland, playing international football would only improve him. He clearly has talent but lots of players with talent amount to nothing.
As for Ryan Giggs having regrets, I severely doubt it. Maybe exiting tournaments at the group or quarter final stages isnt all its cracked up to be, revenue maximising opportunities notwithstanding.
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As for Ryan Giggs having regrets, I severely doubt it. Maybe exiting tournaments at the group or quarter final stages isnt all its cracked up to be, revenue maximising opportunities notwithstanding.
Maybe with him we wouldn't have exited.
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Pedant alert - Ryan Giggs couldn't have represented any other country than Wales, given that he was born there to Welsh parents
That's not quite correct but him (or any other player in that situation) attempting to play for a 'home nation' would be near impossible. The issue resides in residency and nationality laws, basically none of the home nations exist as legal nationalities so we're all British but British doesn't exist in a sporting context so they are treated as countries. Where that becomes a bit messy is that laws around nationality and freedom of movement allow you to become nationalised when you move between countries (so Januzaj could've played for England if he'd chosen to, for example) but because England and Wales are just regions within a single country those rules don't apply.
Take an example of how this could be made really messy a scottish couple live and work in London but want to be with their family in Glasgow for the birth of a their child before returning to London. under the agreement which means Giggs can only play for Wales that child would only be eligible to play for Scotland despite living all but the first few days of their life in England. If England selected him but Scotland then appealed that he was actually scottish the end result would put the separate FAs at huge risk of no longer being recognised. That makes it in the best interests of all involved for there to never be any arguments, so in something like the Giggs case regardless of what the press may have said England were probably never interested because they knew Wales were, if that makes sense.
That's not right in Gigg's case though. He was born in Wales to Welsh parents and only moved to England because his dad was a rugby league player and got transferred to somewhere in England. He represented England Schools but never England as a kid simply because he went to school in England. It was never an England representative match and he never chose Wales - he is Welsh and so only eligible for Wales out of the Home Countries.
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Couldn't disagree with Bronte more.
It's a massive decision for him to make and one that he can only make once. Absolutely nothing wrong with waiting to see how he does in our team and whether he can get into the England side before making his decision.
He is also still playing for the Ireland under 21's and is eligible for about three more years so it's fine to wait for a year or so.
He's just being sensible.
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The story I read somewhere and sometime ago was that Giggs asked SGT when he was England manager, what his chances of playing for England were. SGT was supposed to have told him that Daley and someone who slips my memory would be in line for England before him. Therefore he chose Wales, maybe complete and utter bollocks but just something I read.
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The thing about Giggs pledging himself to Wales, I shouldn't have said, he probably didn't as it turns out, but that doesn't change the main point - Giggs was an absolutely top quality player who had no international career because he was playing for Wales.
Grealish, given a chance, will be wondering whether he might turn out to be good enough to play for Ireland or England - and, let's be honest, he's not going to have to be a world beater to manage either of those - and which one he should choose.
He's clearly English, but he also qualifies for Ireland, and I imagine that's important to his family.
I don't see why there should be any reason to accuse him of being a charlie big bollocks for taking his time. What's the rush?
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Pedant alert - Ryan Giggs couldn't have represented any other country than Wales, given that he was born there to Welsh parents
Don't lots of players qualify for other countries on the basis of their grandparents' nationality?
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Whether he chooses Ireland or England, he'll still need to prove himself here first. I think a loan to a championship team could do him good.
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I reckon more appearances in our midfield would do him even better ;-)
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Pedant alert - Ryan Giggs couldn't have represented any other country than Wales, given that he was born there to Welsh parents
Don't lots of players qualify for other countries on the basis of their grandparents' nationality?
They do, but as somebody on the previous page mentioned the only other country apart from Wales that Giggs could have represented was Sierra Leone thanks to his paternal grandfather.
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Pedant alert - Ryan Giggs couldn't have represented any other country than Wales, given that he was born there to Welsh parents
Don't lots of players qualify for other countries on the basis of their grandparents' nationality?
They do, but as somebody on the previous page mentioned the only other country apart from Wales that Giggs could have represented was Sierra Leone thanks to his paternal grandfather.
Do they still go back as far as the grandparents or has the rule changed? I know Vinny Jones qualified for Wales through a grandparent and a number of the successful Republic of Ireland sides from the late eighties onwards made the most of the grandparent rule.
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If you were born in the UK you can choose whatever country in the UK you want to play for.
Can't remember his name, but the Walsall keeper from the 90s (who was born in England but without any connections to Northern Ireland whatsoever) went on to play regular international football for Northern Ireland for years.
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all this talk of Grealish playing international football is a bit like when we Lambert first arrived and some people were shitting it on day 2 that it was inevitable he'd be fucking off to Dortmund in a year or two.
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If you were born in the UK you can choose whatever country in the UK you want to play for.
Can't remember his name, but the Walsall keeper from the 90s (who was born in England but without any connections to Northern Ireland whatsoever) went on to play regular international football for Northern Ireland for years.
Nope. If you were born in one of the four nations you have to have a link (you/parents/grandparents) to the territory that you're representing and always have done, in modern history at least.
You're probably thinking of Trevor Wood, who was born in Jersey. If you're born in a crown dependency (Channel Islands, Isle Of Man etc) then you can pick. Matt Le Tissier was eligible for all four home nations as well and picked England.
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If you marry your sister you can play for Small Heath.
Top drawer Jon, bravo.
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Still no sign of a replacement then?
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Still no sign of a replacement then?
Doesnt look like it. I wonder who is training them? Not Lambert surely?
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Marshall.
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I was actually quite surprised to see Lambert addressing the issue of Keane going to Cleverleys the other day. I actually figured it may have been made up, but it seems it did actually happen. Whether it was quite as polite as Lambert said is another matter. Nothing is surprising with Keane though. He's mad as a fucking brush. We're well rid. The novelty value wore off quickly.
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He's far too thin skinned to be a manager/coach, certainly in the PL spotlight anyway.
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(http://s22.postimg.org/4inye9e81/keano.jpg)
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If you were born in the UK you can choose whatever country in the UK you want to play for.
Can't remember his name, but the Walsall keeper from the 90s (who was born in England but without any connections to Northern Ireland whatsoever) went on to play regular international football for Northern Ireland for years.
Nope. If you were born in one of the four nations you have to have a link (you/parents/grandparents) to the territory that you're representing and always have done, in modern history at least.
You're probably thinking of Trevor Wood, who was born in Jersey. If you're born in a crown dependency (Channel Islands, Isle Of Man etc) then you can pick. Matt Le Tissier was eligible for all four home nations as well and picked England.
You're both right. They changed the rules a few years ago (but too late for Ryan Giggs) so that UK players could play for one of the other countries if they'd had so many years of full time education in that other country.
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If you were born in the UK you can choose whatever country in the UK you want to play for.
Can't remember his name, but the Walsall keeper from the 90s (who was born in England but without any connections to Northern Ireland whatsoever) went on to play regular international football for Northern Ireland for years.
Nope. If you were born in one of the four nations you have to have a link (you/parents/grandparents) to the territory that you're representing and always have done, in modern history at least.
You're probably thinking of Trevor Wood, who was born in Jersey. If you're born in a crown dependency (Channel Islands, Isle Of Man etc) then you can pick. Matt Le Tissier was eligible for all four home nations as well and picked England.
You're both right. They changed the rules a few years ago (but too late for Ryan Giggs) so that UK players could play for one of the other countries if they'd had so many years of full time education in that other country.
That bit is true - but that's not the same as "If you were born in the UK you can choose whatever country in the UK you want to play for", which definitely isn't true.
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Not sure if I heard correctly but the Commentator ( whats happened to Woodwind ? ) on AVTV this afternoon said that Gary McAllister may be the new assistant manager . Anybody else hear this and was,nt Gabby once quoted as saying that Houllier’s and McAllister almost forced him to quit the club ?.................Godzvilla!.
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McAllisters record when managing us was good. I think Gabby didnt like him because they had them drill set pieces over and over if I recall?
To be honest Gabby being concerned about a new assistant making him work harder wouldn't be the end of the world.
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Not sure if I heard correctly but the Commentator ( whats happened to Woodwind ? ) on AVTV this afternoon said that Gary McAllister may be the new assistant manager . Anybody else hear this and was,nt Gabby once quoted as saying that Houllier’s and McAllister almost forced him to quit the club ?.................Godzvilla!.
Every cloud, then.
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Because Houllier & McAllister knew Gabby cant score goals often enough. Hence Bent.
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Houllier's gripe with Gabby was that he was carrying too much weight and it would affect his game. MON had encouraged Gabby to bulk up so that he could play as a lone striker.
Houllier knew his stuff, it was just that he didn't have any tact when supporters were concerned. Often wonder how it would have worked out if he hadn't had the health problems.
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Because Houllier & McAllister knew Gabby cant score goals often enough. Hence Bent.
i find the fact that Gabby has recently been given a four year contract to be really a good example of where this club is these days.
Let's be honest, he's at the very best bog standard, average. How many other clubs would pick him week in, week out?
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Because Houllier & McAllister knew Gabby cant score goals often enough. Hence Bent.
i find the fact that Gabby has recently been given a four year contract to be really a good example of where this club is these days.
Let's be honest, he's at the very best bog standard, average. How many other clubs would pick him week in, week out?
On the down slope of his career and living off the past.
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Because Houllier & McAllister knew Gabby cant score goals often enough. Hence Bent.
i find the fact that Gabby has recently been given a four year contract to be really a good example of where this club is these days.
Let's be honest, he's at the very best bog standard, average. How many other clubs would pick him week in, week out?
On the down slope of his career and living off the past.
We don't paticularly use him very well though. He's actually good in the air, so get a wide man in and whip some crosses in for, him or even stick him out wide himself.
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Considering some of his successors I find myself longing for the days when Gary McAllister was assistant manager. We could do better, but given Lambert's track record in picking assistants I'll be happy if we don't do worse.
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Houllier's gripe with Gabby was that he was carrying too much weight and it would affect his game. MON had encouraged Gabby to bulk up so that he could play as a lone striker.
Houllier knew his stuff, it was just that he didn't have any tact when supporters were concerned. Often wonder how it would have worked out if he hadn't had the health problems.
I was pleased to see him gone back then as we were poor for a lot of that season, but in hindsight I've often wondered whether he should have been given more time, even his health had meant him moving into a Director of Football role. There was clearly an attitude problem amongst players at the club (there probably still is) and from stories we hear, Houllier had identified culprits and would have moved them on that summer. It is also rumoured that he had lined up the likes of Cabaye to come in, so it would have been interesting to see what would have happened.
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MON had encouraged Gabby to bulk up so that he could play as a lone striker.
MON knew nothing about it. My guess is it was Capello who likes strong, powerful strikers who gave Gabby the idea.
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MON had encouraged Gabby to bulk up so that he could play as a lone striker.
MON knew nothing about it. My guess is it was Capello who likes strong, powerful strikers who gave Gabby the idea.
I seem to recall that Gabby mentioned JPA played a big part in his decision to bulk up, either by advice or example. He said he was fed up of being thrown around by John Terry and Vidic.
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fat lot of good it did him though, twice as big but half the player he was
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Just been reading an interview with Fran Rooney who was high up in Irish football circles a few years ago. This is from Nov 2013.
'The biggest thing that upsets him so much is lack of standards in other individuals' I rather get the feeling that a dedicated professional
like Roy Keane would be at odds with many of the people he has to work with. It makes you wonder who was not fully pulling their weight
to get our club out of trouble.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/roy-keane-investigated-over-road-5073379
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/roy-keane-investigated-over-road-5073379
I'm guessing I am not the only one who read that link and just knew what the last word was. Easiest Blankety Blank clue ever. Roy Keane investigated over road _ _ _ _.
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kill?
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The BBC's version - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-31062138
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He really has become a caricature of himself. Wonder if he is back on the beer, certainly seems on the verge of a breakdown.
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Thinks the world is against him. God knows how his wife copes with his volatile moods.
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What a nutter, he'll be sectioned one day!
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Many people who had a personal knowledge of him pointed out the foolishness of Villa employing him.
Several others felt it was a good idea.
I was in the former camp and nothing that has happened since has changed my opinion.
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TBH, I think the majority had misgivings about the appointment.
But when they become part of the club, you want to give them a chance. See also Scott Sinclair.
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You also want them to do well too, at least I do. Roy Keane is fast becoming a parody of himself.
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I think he needs some help. I'd say his anger / rage is a form of illness.
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I just think he's a twat and an egomaniac
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I think he needs some help. I'd say his anger / rage is a form of illness.
Yep. He's one of those whose involvement in a football has meant he has existed in environment where his behavioural issues have never really been or had to be addressed properly.
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I think he needs some help. I'd say his anger / rage is a form of illness.
Yep. He's one of those whose involvement in a football has meant he has existed in environment where his behavioural issues have never really been or had to addressed properly.
Agree, he would have been beaten senseless or locked up by now if he were joe average. Or more likely he'd have learned not to be an arsehole.
He was at Stoke game today.
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Anyone in football management who rates Stern John as one of their best ever signings clearly needs specialist help.
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Mind you his beard is looking resplendent again. If some low life nicks McGregor's statue Roy could fill in until we can afford a replacement.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3069820/Roy-Keane-claims-Tim-Sherwood-laying-groundwork-Aston-Villa-job-long-Paul-Lambert-sacked.html
Hmmmmmmm.............
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Something and nothing, really.
The last line of the article is the most revealing:
An updated version of Keane's autobiography 'The Second Half' is published later this month.
He's just drumming up a bit of publicity.
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Birmingham Mail
Former Aston Villa assistant Roy Keane has claimed Tim Sherwood was positioning himself to become the claret and blues boss before ex-manager Paul Lambert was sacked.
Sherwood was seen at Villa Park on a number of occasions before he took the role and in his updated autobiography, The Second Half, Keane explains how he felt the ex-Tottenham man was already laying the groundwork.
The Irishman, who was No.2 to Lambert before quitting after just five months said: “I went to watch Villa against Bournemouth in the FA Cup a few weeks before Paul was sacked and Tim Sherwood was sitting behind me.
“I just thought, “All right . . . ’
“I think some men go to matches if they think there’s a job there for him. I believe Tim had been at two or three games.
“It’s not a criticism of Tim. It’s part of the game, it’s the industry we’re in.
“I’d go the other way myself. If I thought the manager was under pressure and that I was somehow being linked to the job, I’d avoid the place.”
Sherwood has dragged Villa out of the bottom three since his arrival and also guided them into the FA Cup Final.
Rejuvenating Christian Benteke was the key as the big Belgian now has 11 goals in his last nine games.
Keane admitted he was not impressed with how the striker went about his preparation in training, though.
“I’d look at Christian and he wasn’t one for scoring many goals in training,” said the Republic of Ireland assistant.
“With all the top strikers I’d worked with, the top ones always loved scoring in training.
“I thought he’d give them a lift when he came back from injury . . . but I wasn’t thinking ‘The Messiah’s back’.
“He isn’t the type of personality that will get people together.”
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As I said on the Benteke thread. And he's a bellend.
Still, it gets people talking about his new updated book due out in a couple of weeks, so job done eh Roy. Unlike when you were employed at VP you twat.
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Birmingham Mail
“I’d look at Christian and he wasn’t one for scoring many goals in training,” said the Republic of Ireland assistant.
“With all the top strikers I’d worked with, the top ones always loved scoring in training.
“I thought he’d give them a lift when he came back from injury . . . but I wasn’t thinking ‘The Messiah’s back’.
“He isn’t the type of personality that will get people together.”
But the minute Man Utd come sniffing you'll be singing his praises.
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not disagreeing with the bellend bit, because to argue that I'd need to resurrect Johnny Cochrane. However, it's not unreasonable those two views from where he was and where everything was really at the time. When you look back at the spell just after Benteke came back there was a lot of criticism of him on here for not putting in the effort/coasting through games etc. I put that partly on him and 90% on the environment at the club. Look how together the team looks now as contrast. And on the second point I think it was poor form to have Sherwood at the ground while Lambert was still manager. Now, in the end it has all worked out so far, but we all thought there was something up when it was more than one game that he sat next Fox, and then low and behold after Lambert was fired nobody else got an interview and Sherwood was hired.
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Don't care. If anything shows he wanted the job and he prepared well for it. May have been better to not give him a seat next to Fox though.
But in reality, I think he went to a lot of PL games when he was inbetween jobs.
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Benteke played 4 games while Keane was here. So Keane saw him for a couple of months max which would have included his early training back from a serious injury.
And judging by the open training day, it would help if Keane ever looked at the players as they trained instead of looking bored and nattering to Lambert and other coaches. Fucking twat.
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It wasn't Roy Keane who went to watch Sunderland when Poyet was under pressure then?
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Don't care. If anything shows he wanted the job and he prepared well for it. May have been better to not give him a seat next to Fox though.
But in reality, I think he went to a lot of PL games when he was inbetween jobs.
I think fair play to Sherwood.
He knew he was going to be in the running for a handful of jobs come the new year, so spent some time studying them a bit in preparation. I think it reflects pretty well on him; shows a bit of fore-thought.
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....................
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Better than the disinterest shown in Villa by Keane while he was pocketing his wages.
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what about changing the thread to 'Roy Keane has left and is still an arse'
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Keane is an absolute benny, of that there is little doubt. He p*ssed his chance away at Villa and is very unlikely to get a chance at a big club like us again given his dire managerial record. He is also an egotistical, hypocritical dullard, how dare he talk about Sherwood when he did exactly the same when Poyet was under pressure at Sunderland. Luckily he is also exceedingly dimwitted leading to extreme transparency in everything he says. It is so painfully obvious that he is only doing this as some kind of half-arsed profile-raising either to sell books or get his name out there for some crappy job (probably the former at the moment). Utter buffoon.
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The updated version of his book is out in a couple of weeks. In some fairness to him, these quotes are actually extracts from the book rather than an interview he gave. He's still a total cockwomble though.
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The updated version of his book is out in a couple of weeks. In some fairness to him, these quotes are actually extracts from the book rather than an interview he gave. He's still a total cockwomble though.
I think book updates are a bit of a con anyway.
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The updated version of his book is out in a couple of weeks. In some fairness to him, these quotes are actually extracts from the book rather than an interview he gave. He's still a total cockwomble though.
I think book updates are a bit of a con anyway.
I agree. At which point does an autobiography become a diary.
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The updated version of his book is out in a couple of weeks. In some fairness to him, these quotes are actually extracts from the book rather than an interview he gave. He's still a total cockwomble though.
I think book updates are a bit of a con anyway.
A lot of a con. Just a way for him and the publisher to get people to buy it who have already bought the hardcover.
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I bought the hardcover. From a charity shop as part of a 4 books for £1.59 deal. I probably overpaid for it.
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I bought the hardcover. From a charity shop as part of a 4 books for £1.59 deal. I probably overpaid for it.
I got it from the library. At least I got to give it back.
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If we win the cup he'll have to update it again.
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That book came out around Christmas. An update already?
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Paperback edition.
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File under "Who Gives a Shit What Roy Keane Thinks".
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And there is more.
Daily Heil (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3070519/Roy-Keane-slams-tired-club-Aston-Villa-woeful-strikers-couldn-t-finish-dinner-new-chapter-memoirs.html)
Roy Keane slams 'tired club' Aston Villa and their woeful strikers who 'couldn't finish their dinner' in new chapter of memoirs
Roy Keane calls Aston Villa 'a tired club' in new chapter of his book
Former assistant to Paul Lambert blasts complacency of Villa players
Keane left the club in November to concentrate on Ireland role
Takes swipe at Lambert's replacement, Tim Sherwood, in new chapter
Claims Sherwood was positioning himself for job before Lambert sacking
Criticises striker Christian Benteke for not scoring enough in training
By Mike Keegan For Mailonline
Published: 16:38, 6 May 2015 | Updated: 16:47, 6 May 2015
Roy Keane has branded Aston Villa 'a tired club' and accused shot-shy players of being 'unable to finish their dinners' in a withering assessment of his former employers.
Keane left his position at Villa Park as number two to former manager Paul Lambert in November to concentrate on his role as Republic of Ireland assistant manager.
But, writing in an updated version of his autobiography The Second Half, which will be published next month, he takes a swipe at the Midlands club and accuses them of complacency.
Keane writes: ‘There seems to be the attitude, “We’re not going to be challenging, but we’re probably good enough to stay up”. It’s like drifting. It’s a tired club, a tired brand.
'I think some of the players, even subconsciously, thought, ‘We’ve a nice life here, we don’t want you rocking the boat'.
'You’d be patting them on the back for putting their boots on and being on time – and half the time they weren’t on time!'
Under Lambert, Villa struggled for goals and managed just 12 in the Premier League by the time he was sacked in February with the club in the relegation zone.
Keane, who also takes a swipe at Lambert's replacement Tim Sherwood for turning up for matches before the manager was sacked, reveals that he knew in pre-season training that Villa would face issues in front of goal
‘As a friend of mine says, some of them couldn’t finish their dinner,' he says.
Playing a more entertaining brand of football under Sherwood, rejuvenated Villa are on the verge of beating the drop and will go to Wembley for the FA Cup Final later this month.
But Keane, who also accused top scorer Christian Benteke of not wanting to score goals in training, believes Lambert will go on to achieve success elsewhere
'Paul’s departure from Villa in February wasn’t a surprise – because of the results,' he writes.
'He’ll bounce back and prove himself to be the quality manager I saw at Villa.'
Keane puts his decision to leave Villa and concentrate on his role assisting Martin O'Neill down to the fact he felt he was letting his country down and was not spending enough time with his family.
'My job with Ireland wasn’t really affecting my role at Villa – that wasn’t the problem,' he says. ‘But my role at Villa was certainly affecting my work with Ireland. I felt it wasn’t fair.
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Good to know that the World Cup-quitter was at last putting his country first.
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Roy,as usual, is trying to be controversial. Opinions like his sell books.
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What a first-class, grade A, classless prick he is.
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I didn't watch the Juve-Real Madrid game last night, but apparently Keane had a dig at the contribution of Garth Bale. To which Bale's agent, Jonathan Barnett, has responded, "Why should we take any notice of irrelevant comments from people who don't know what they are talking about and people who failed in management?"
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Opinions like his sell books.
They make for a decent advance and serialisation in a tabloid, but I honestly don't think he'd have shifted many units.
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Like someone amusingly said on twitter 'he joined Villa, he grew a beard, he left Villa'.
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A prize ******. And there was me, prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt after he fucked over his country.
Used Villa just to get more sales on his book.
File alongside DOL.
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Dear Roy,
F**k off you classless, selfish, self-important wanker.
Yours sincerely,
The Villa
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A Complete LANGER.....Cork expression for a W****R.
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Yes, Roy.
It was the poor set-up that led you to abandon your national team, not you.
It was the other players not being up to standard anymore that led to you slagging them off on on the club tv station and leaving Man U. Not your fault.
It was the players attitude at Sunderland and Ipswich that made you a failure. Not you.
It was the club's and players' attitudes that made you a shit assistant manager here, not you.
Or, you are a massive cock who spends his whole life slagging off other people to gloss over the fact that you have been one massive series of failures for years, including the last part of your playing career.
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What exactly is this journey or plan bollocks they talk about? Is it like some sort of biblical journey, where the fans are tested by hordes of locusts and a famine of goals and then at the end the remaining few are rewarded with the holy grail of a trophy?
I love it when a plan comes together.
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He hasnt said anything that wasnt said a million times on here.
I'm just glad we got Sherwood in to sort it out where the 'good manager' and Keane failed.
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Tedious c**t. Christ, just imagine if we'd ended up with this assclown as manager, something I feared might happen a few months into the season. We'd be rock bottom, probably relegated by Easter and no FA Cup Final to look forward to.
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Slag everyone off including the hottest striker in England, a player who was shit under your watch, but your mate who gave you a job, the record breakingly bad Paul Lambert is a quality manager?
Ok Roy. And whilst your at it, maybe Sherwood's work before he got the job is part of what makes him a fucking million times the manager you are/were. Why don't you try emulating him, you arrogant arsewipe?
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He hasnt said anything that wasnt said a million times on here.
Maybe, but there is a difference, he was receiving a wage to do something about it. And didn't. And left.
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Has Keane ever, I mean ever got anything wrong according to Keane?
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I didn't watch the Juve-Real Madrid game last night, but apparently Keane had a dig at the contribution of Garth Bale. To which Bale's agent, Jonathan Barnett, has responded, "Why should we take any notice of irrelevant comments from people who don't know what they are talking about and people who failed in management?"
stopped watch syndrome maybe but Keane was 100% correct on Bale last night. He was hiding on the pitch all game
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He hasnt said anything that wasnt said a million times on here.
Maybe, but there is a difference, he was receiving a wage to do something about it. And didn't. And left.
Absolutely, everything he points out was accurate at the time, he had opportunity to put it right and couldn't. Sherwood, to an extent, and as far as he is able, has done something. If I can work that out, im sure that Roys future potential employers can as well.
He just cant help himself, in more ways than one.
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"Like a dull knife, that don't stay cuttin'
Just talking loud, and saying nothing"
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I didn't watch the Juve-Real Madrid game last night, but apparently Keane had a dig at the contribution of Garth Bale. To which Bale's agent, Jonathan Barnett, has responded, "Why should we take any notice of irrelevant comments from people who don't know what they are talking about and people who failed in management?"
stopped watch syndrome maybe but Keane was 100% correct on Bale last night. He was hiding on the pitch all game
Yup, completely agreed.
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There is an expression in Ireland reserved for people like Roy that he will be familiar with. Gobshite.
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And there is more.
Daily Heil (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3070519/Roy-Keane-slams-tired-club-Aston-Villa-woeful-strikers-couldn-t-finish-dinner-new-chapter-memoirs.html)
Roy Keane slams 'tired club' Aston Villa and their woeful strikers who 'couldn't finish their dinner' in new chapter of memoirs
Roy Keane calls Aston Villa 'a tired club' in new chapter of his book
Former assistant to Paul Lambert blasts complacency of Villa players
Keane left the club in November to concentrate on Ireland role
Takes swipe at Lambert's replacement, Tim Sherwood, in new chapter
Claims Sherwood was positioning himself for job before Lambert sacking
Criticises striker Christian Benteke for not scoring enough in training
By Mike Keegan For Mailonline
Published: 16:38, 6 May 2015 | Updated: 16:47, 6 May 2015
Roy Keane has branded Aston Villa 'a tired club' ...
'My job with Ireland wasn’t really affecting my role at Villa – that wasn’t the problem,' he says. ‘But my role at Villa was certainly affecting my work with Ireland. I felt it wasn’t fair.
all this is so-oo-oo boring.
What the f**k does he think he was doing at the club if not to add some value, instead of condoning an apparently-corrosive training attitude?!
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Mick McCarthy had Keane worked out and stood up to the prat. The blokes a nutter and pretty useless now he's not playing football. Savage talks more sense than him and is far better at trying to wind up people.
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I don't think everything he says about the club while he was with us is wrong. We all felt the club had lost its way on a number of different levels. What absolutely discredits this is how he views Lambert in all of this. Fair enough, have an opinion but have the intelligence to know where a lot of the problem stems from. He's an arrogant prick of self publicist which we all knew anyway. I don't have an issue with criticism because for us much has been deserved. But if it comes them make sure it isn't selective which he is clearly being.
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What exactly is this journey or plan bollocks they talk about? Is it like some sort of biblical journey, where the fans are tested by hordes of locusts and a famine of goals and then at the end the remaining few are rewarded with the holy grail of a trophy?
I love it when a plan comes together.
Forgive me for not having faith brother, I was blind but now I see.
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Do you think that he realises that going and working somewhere for six months and then leaving and publicly slagging off the people you've been working with and for, might just make other potential employers in the future wonder whether taking him on would be sensible or not?
It be interesting to know what the Ireland players think of it all. Will they be more wary of him now? After all, they could easily end up in a chapter of his next update.
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His time here feels like years ago now. Which is a good thing.
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well with the amount of guff Roy has put into print, I would have thought he could have worked out, the idea in producing books , is to sell books. But not even a mention, of "gulls following trawlers", or "Dogs barking at the caravan as it moves down the road to the cess pit in west London"
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poor old Roy, how can one man be so unlucky? Everywhere he goes he meets arseholes.
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poor old Roy, how can one man be so unlucky? Everywhere he goes he meets arseholes.
Especially in the hall of mirrors.
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I'd like to thank Roy for providing Tim with his easiest pre match team talk of the season.
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I respected Keane a lot as a player but I never felt comfortable with him as assistant and was pretty happy when he left.
That said I do think some of the comments that are getting lost like complacency in the squad hint at one of the reasons we've been struggling the last few years with a lack of direction from the top.
The problem here is Keane can't adapt. He thinks he can get the same reaction from a squad by playing the bad cop when the best managers mix it up and realise some players will need encouragement and support rather than being shouted at all the time. When he manages or assists he can't transform himself into that mindset hence fall outs start developing.
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Roy Keane always has been, and always will be, a ******.
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Sounds like a man desperately trying to patch a tattered reputation.
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Sometimes Roy, it really is better to just be silent.
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Were there rumours of a bust-up with Gabby (I know there was about him going round to Cleverleys house)? Interesting that he gets in a dig about Benteke and the strikers not being able to finish their dinners. Would be good if Chiles took him to task on Benteke and asked him why he thought he was so much better now but Adrian, like most presenters, are scared stiff of him.
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Keane is a prize tit and is breaking a moral if not contractual confidence by washing the club's dirty linen in public in order to sell a few books. Pondlife.
The point about Sherwood showing up at games is however a valid one. Particularly if, as it seems, he was there as a guest of Fox. One thing we have preserved through several seasons of shite football is our integrity. Having Sherwood watch on, effectively as a guest of the club, as Lambert struggled was an absolute disgrace. You would also have to question whether it contributed to the disastrous run of results that ended in Lambert being shown the door.
I do not like Fox at all.
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The last 21 league games under Lambert was W2 D6 L13 F8 A31 GD-23 Pts12. I don't think Sherwood was the problem somehow.
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The last 21 league games under Lambert was W2 D6 L13 F8 A31 GD-23 Pts12. I don't think Sherwood was the problem somehow.
I didn't say it was the problem, I said it may have contributed - and it may well have.
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We all saw pictures of Sherwood with Fox in early December, but it was after Keane had gone and there was talk of him being the new DOF or assistant possibly. I agree, it is not a good way to go Steve.
However, Roy Keane knowing Sherwood was in line explains why he buggered off so quick, as he was doing just the same thing but sitting next to the guy he was looking to replace, nothing will convince me otherwise. He found out he was not likely to get it when Lambert was finally pushed, and walked away.
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The last 21 league games under Lambert was W2 D6 L13 F8 A31 GD-23 Pts12. I don't think Sherwood was the problem somehow.
I didn't say it was the problem, I said it may have contributed - and it may well have.
My point was that we'd gone to complete bobbins under Lambert long before Sherwood appeared on the scene so I don't think it made much, if any, difference to results as they were crap anyway.
After we beat Chelsea at home last season until he left, Lambert's league record was
PL34 W6 D8 L20 F19 A55 GD-36 Pts26
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Keane is a prize tit and is breaking a moral if not contractual confidence by washing the club's dirty linen in public in order to sell a few books. Pondlife.
The point about Sherwood showing up at games is however a valid one. Particularly if, as it seems, he was there as a guest of Fox. One thing we have preserved through several seasons of shite football is our integrity. Having Sherwood watch on, effectively as a guest of the club, as Lambert struggled was an absolute disgrace. You would also have to question whether it contributed to the disastrous run of results that ended in Lambert being shown the door.
I do not like Fox at all.
I like Fox, but yes, that was a dick move. As a club we should be better than that. I still do not understand the point, to let Sherwood see the team? Well he could easily have watched some away games or have come to Villa park without it being so obvious. To put pressure on Lambert? Christ the bloke was crushed by that point anyway.
Fox made the right move in sacking Lambert and hiring Sherwood >but< bringing Sherwood to VP while Lambert was still employed was unnecessary.
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Couple of things missed here, it was Roy's mate who gave him the job who had made the players tired, the fans tired and all of us knew it would end in tears, what he does not say is what he attempted to do to turn that tiredness around and help his pal who had given him the job, probably as there is nothing he could say because he did naff all about it, accepted his cheque and the players all knew he would not stay around for long.
On the Sherwood thing, our integrity has been questioned or more importantly Fox's, we can not have it both ways, we moan when we do not play the game like alot of top clubs play it, much rather have a letter from Fergie in a frame. Fox identified a problem, sought to get that problem sorted and if we are to believe other press leaks Lambert had already said he wanted out, so what effect that had on him is surely minimal, Sherwood was not in the stand for most of the season, what was the reason for us being shite then.
No Villa could have played it with integrity and probably ended up doing what the Geordies have done, thank christ we have people on board now who will do what is for the best, not what appears to keep our integrity in tact while we struggle in the Championship.
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Having spoken to two people, on separate occasions, who worked in a similar capacity at Colchester while Lambert was there, both have stated Lambert was supremely arrogant and an unapproachable bully. The guy I met this week said no-one at the club can believe the way he comes across in the media in comparison to what he was actually like and you wouldn't find one person there with a good word to say about him. (Curiously, he said he'd worked with Gary Karsa for years and he was a decent guy).
This opinion of Lambert is borne out by his relationship with the local media when he was at Villa and Kendrick saying this week on Twitter that questions weren't allowed under Sherwood's predecessor.
So no wonder Keane likes him - and maybe Fox didn't, and just didn't care whether Lambert's feelings were hurt and preferred someone where what you actually see is what you actually get.
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Fair to say we wouldn't be first club to line up another manager while the present one was still in situ.
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Fair to say we wouldn't be first club to line up another manager while the present one was still in situ.
The trick is not to do it like Newcastle
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Keane had to add a chapter for his 'updated' autobiography and we were the obvious subject for him. I suspect Tim Sherwood will have a more successful managerial career than Keane ever will.
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The only person he has a good word for (besides Lambert) is Benty . It would appear that Tim Sherwood's methods are working while Roy Keane's did not. Such is life. Things are going well at the moment lets hope they stay that way.
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With Fox, his hands might have been tied on the Lamberk contract situation if that had largely been agreed in advance.
Being seen with Sherwood was one of the few things he could actually do to put a rocket up SM2's arse.
As for Keane, I agree with ozzjim. I think he looked at the manager, his so called mate, on a sticky wicket (pre contract) and thought it might be his last chance to get the main job with a big club.
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I'm actually starting to pity this bloke, I really admired him as a player, not eveyone's cup of tea I know. He's failed as a manager, said he would never become a pundit but did, and know he just takes everyone opportunity to spout off just to sell his books.
I hope Sherwood gets asked about him in his press conference this week, I'm sure he'll have a few little words to say with a grin.
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TBH, the first I knew Sherwood had been at the Villa was when he was in the stand during the Leicester FA cup match waiting to officially take over. This is probably because I had been avoiding most news and the football section on here.
However, normally when you see someone next to the director who might be the next manager, it is normally within 1-2 games before the change. With Xmas and cup games, it must have been closer to 10 before they finally got rid of him.
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He was def there at the Palarse game.
But then he said soon after taking over that he hasn't watched us this season.
So maybe he fell asleep.
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There were a few occasions prior to Leicester when people posted photos of him at our matches.
I must say, I am glad Lambert has gone, but if (if) Sherwood was at the matches in that capacity - ie of one being wooed to be our manager - I think that's pretty shoddy behaviour, and not something Lambert deserved.
I mean, talk to him behind the manager's back as almost everyone does, just don't get him spotted at the match while the current manager is still there.
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There were a few occasions prior to Leicester when people posted photos of him at our matches.
I must say, I am glad Lambert has gone, but if (if) Sherwood was at the matches in that capacity - ie of one being wooed to be our manager - I think that's pretty shoddy behaviour, and not something Lambert deserved.
I mean, talk to him behind the manager's back as almost everyone does, just don't get him spotted at the match while the current manager is still there.
I would expect unemployed managers who have ambition to watch as much live football as they can, I can't see a problem with it unless he was sat next to the CEO.
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There were a few occasions prior to Leicester when people posted photos of him at our matches.
I must say, I am glad Lambert has gone, but if (if) Sherwood was at the matches in that capacity - ie of one being wooed to be our manager - I think that's pretty shoddy behaviour, and not something Lambert deserved.
I mean, talk to him behind the manager's back as almost everyone does, just don't get him spotted at the match while the current manager is still there.
I would expect unemployed managers who have ambition to watch as much live football as they can, I can't see a problem with it unless he was sat next to the CEO.
In one of the photos, he was, by the looks of it.
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There were a few occasions prior to Leicester when people posted photos of him at our matches.
I must say, I am glad Lambert has gone, but if (if) Sherwood was at the matches in that capacity - ie of one being wooed to be our manager - I think that's pretty shoddy behaviour, and not something Lambert deserved.
I mean, talk to him behind the manager's back as almost everyone does, just don't get him spotted at the match while the current manager is still there.
Can't agree, lambert just waddled along beating after beating. No fire, no intensity, no effort to resurrect the club. He was lucky to be in a job considering he asked for out. It's like he thought buying the players was enough. Paul needed the wake up call and there was no reaction, only accepted consequences.
His loss.
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There were a few occasions prior to Leicester when people posted photos of him at our matches.
I must say, I am glad Lambert has gone, but if (if) Sherwood was at the matches in that capacity - ie of one being wooed to be our manager - I think that's pretty shoddy behaviour, and not something Lambert deserved.
I mean, talk to him behind the manager's back as almost everyone does, just don't get him spotted at the match while the current manager is still there.
It seemed quite deliberate to me.
'Sort it out - or else.'
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TS literally shrugged off the inevitable questions about this in todays press conference with typical confidence, humour and complimented Benteke on his ability to score goals when and where it matters.
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TS literally shrugged off the inevitable questions about this in todays press conference with typical confidence, humour and complimented Benteke on his ability to score goals when and where it matters.
He reminds me of JG in his behaviour on the touchlines and his pressers. Hopefully it doesn't follow into the approach and tactics in Final games or the antics of his number 2 with players.
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The last 21 league games under Lambert was W2 D6 L13 F8 A31 GD-23 Pts12. I don't think Sherwood was the problem somehow.
I didn't say it was the problem, I said it may have contributed - and it may well have.
My point was that we'd gone to complete bobbins under Lambert long before Sherwood appeared on the scene so I don't think it made much, if any, difference to results as they were crap anyway.
After we beat Chelsea at home last season until he left, Lambert's league record was
PL34 W6 D8 L20 F19 A55 GD-36 Pts26
Which, looking at the present table after 35 games would mean that we were goners if he stayed any longer.
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Sounds like sour grapes from Keane, after all, he wasn't considered for the job - with his managerial record, who is in the least bit surprised?
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poor old Roy, how can one man be so unlucky? Everywhere he goes he meets arseholes.
Ha ha ha ha ha brilliant.
The man summed up in a sentence. No further comment required.