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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on October 27, 2014, 09:41:38 PM
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Fire away.
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I think this is the season where we get relegated. I really do. Said it previously and have been proved wrong so far. Hope so this time but I no longer think so.
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Losing 0-2 to the team at the bottom of the table.
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Can I get that 90 minutes back, what a waste of time.
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Fucking dire (as usual)
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10 points from 10 games on sunday I reckon. Relegation form
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Dire. No sustained improvement will ever take place under Lambert. Moyes is available. No brainer.
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Absolutely fucking embarrassing, truly pathetic tonight it really was. How Okore doesn't get a chance and the same for Grealish is beyond me. Lambert has embarrassed us against a truly awful team.
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Turned off the minute they got their second.
Goodnight children everywhere.
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Dire. No sustained improvement will ever take place under Lambert. Moyes is available. No brainer.
Pulis would feel like a lottery win right now.
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What's the fucking point
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Said it on the match thread and I'll say it again at no extra cost.
Perpetual austerity.
As for tonight, good first 20 mins, we didn't deserve to lose the 1st half. Second half was hard work. We are not cut out to chase a game against any opponent. And that is just not right.
I can't see how PL can take us forwards in earnest.
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Inept...
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The first half we did okay, and were very unlucky to go in behind, Vlaar had to be stronger against Zamora.
A big mistake from Lambert/Keane waiting so long to make a change in the second, I said 10 mins before they got the 2nd we needed to make a change. At 2-0 down it was too late.
Far too many poor crosses, especially now we have Benteke on the pitch. Overall Sanchez did well, Gabby was fucking woeful.
Football is wank sometimes.
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As I said on another thread if I wasn't a Villa fan I'd want us to go down. We make no attempt to play good football, we show no ambition to do anything other than survive and it's been spiraling down for the last 5 years. Our team and our football is an embarrassment to the history of the club.
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when I look at him
his face is dour
his body language is dour
his team is dour
he makes me dour
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We had possession and couldn't do anything with it. No creativity, and lacking up front. Defence suffers when we don't have our starting 4.
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Shit.
Just really fed up of Lambert's Villa now.
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We are circling the drain.
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There is a pattern in everything this manager does. You pretty much know the team, the way we are going to play, concede, respond and lose.
I can not see what Lambert has to give to change this pattern.
So unless something changes and soon we are looking at yet another awful season, at some point this bloke will take us down.
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That was shit. Lambert out.
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We'll pick ourselves up and go again
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What do we need to do to get some change?
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I'm not one for knee jerk reactions but my knee just jerked so heavily it almost tore all my ligaments off. We looked clueless and absolutely bereft of confidence against arguably the shittest, most clown car team in the league. Sack him and get someone else in, he's lost it.
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I have only just got in from work, I can only go on how well we played from everyone's comments here. We are going down under this buffoon if we are not careful. The club is a laughing stock and its only going to get worse with four more years of Lambert.
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That totally summed us up as to where we are right now.
Possession but no creativity, concede sloppy goals, no imagination from the bench.
Shit players and management bring consistantly shit results and that's what we have. Lambert should go but it ain't gonna happen. We are in desperate trouble. Another PL record to be ashamed of.
And now I've got to leave for work. Nothing like the Villa to help start your day with a spring in your step.
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We are in trouble now. I did think we were in that for most of the match but the second goal ended it.
Could well be six defeats in a row at the weekend.
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Another record broken, 5 straight league defeats, never happened before.
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What do we need to do to get some change?
UKIP?
For comedic effect you understand.
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FFS
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I'm speechless
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I just feel numb, no point getting angry as nothing will change. We will go down this season I'm absolutely sure of it and the sad thing is we will all just shrug.
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Another record broken, 5 straight league defeats, never happened before.
Yes it has. Not scoring in any them hasn't though.
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I honestly can't see where the next goal, let alone win, is coming from. He's got to go, surely?
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How many more "worst of records" does Lambert need to collect before he gets his marching orders?
Are there any left?
All he needs to do is wrest Toxteth O'Grady's world's biggest bottom burp record away from him, and then that is it, a total clean sweep.
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Get out this club you useless excuse of a manager. Five nil defeats in a row. That should be enough for him to pick up his P45.
To only make a change when it went to two nil was scandalous.
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Bad enough to make me want to cry.
Surely they most uninspiring team in the league.
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Fuck 'em!
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Can I get that 90 minutes back, what a waste of time.
Get a tivo box. I paused the telly from half seven til quarter past eight and fast forwarded through lots of the game. Watched half-time though, always the best bit of Villa games these days.
Thought Sanchez looked good apart from his cock-up.
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It is the 5 league defeats without scoring which s a club record.
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What do we need to do to get some change?
Go down. Fingers crossed.
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Any team in the Premiership must be looking forward to playing Villa for 3 certain points. Lambert has to go otherwise Lerner's investment will sink like a stone. He'll be lucky to get his initial £64m back.
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Losing to teams as bad as that are definitely the worst defeats to swallow. I'll be very surprised if QPR aren't relegated this season. We need to stop conceding soft goals because as soon as we go behind in a game we're basically screwed. If we can't counter we can't score.
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I honestly can't see where the next goal, let alone win, is coming from. He's got to go, surely?
And that is the absolute worst thing about this situation.
I could maybe put up with it if we had the glimmer, the faintest glimmer of hope that he might get the sack, but he won't, he's just been given a new spangly long contract.
Unbelievably feeble "leadership" from that utter fool Lerner.
There is no way out of this, none at all. We're stuck with this bloke, despite more and more proof he is out of his depth.
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The most frustrating thing is seeing the camera pan to Lambert looking totally perplexed as to how to change things.
I don't understand why Weimann stayed on as long as he did, and Can someone tell me what Gabby did to deserve 90 mins? I think he touched the ball less than 5 times in the second half.
Just totally depressing. Sanchez played well until he forgot what colour we play in for 5 minutes.
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We are a goal down half way through the second half and no sign of a tactical change. Then it's two and he makes a double swop. Even when this doesn't work with five minutes to go he still doesn't use his third change. The man is completely tactically inept.
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How did we get to be so utterly shit. This period is a great shame to our club.
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That was garbage. Second half was a joke with too many players more interested in starting fights than getting back into the game.
Dunne would walk back into this team. Far better than Clark and Baker.
This team WILL get relegated and I can see us finishing bottom
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Our chairman is not anchored to this universe, and that's why this is only going to get worse. Lambert should have gone a year ago, yet we've got him for another four years. It's the stupidest decision since the McLeish debacle, and it's going to hurt us big time.
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Very predictable.
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The thing is you could see we had far better players but somehow Lambert fucked it up. As others have said it's not like Small Heath where any manager coming in has no chance, there is definitely a core in there. God I feel so angry!
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, and Can someone tell me what Gabby did to deserve a four year contract ? I think he touched the ball less than 5 times in the second half.
fixed
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Our chairman not anchored to this universe, and that's why this is only going to get worse. Lambert should have gone a year ago, yet we've got him for another four years. It's the stupidest decision since the McLeish debacle, and it's going to hurt us big time.
Yep. Bizarre.
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It's just extraordinary that this clown is still in charge of the team, it beggars belief that he has been given a new contract. He is absolutely, irredeemably shit.
With Pulis and Moyes both looking for work, surely the time is now to sack the useless fuck? Perhaps our new CEO is aware that there are decent managers outside of England?
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Utterly pathetic! This man has had three years and we are getting worse! This is a man who lost to a league two team in a semi final of a cup lost to countless lower leagues teams in cups! How can he deserve a new four year deal of what he has produced is outrageous!
Four goals in nine games! Four!
We dominated in patches of that game and didn't look remotely like scoring!
Gabby was a disgrace how he deserves a new deal is so wrong!
This club is robbing us all and I'm sick of it!
Lambert is doing his usual hoping Benteke scores!
Lambert destroys players
Football is a cut throat business why is it only our club who can't see it
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Only the second game I've seen this season, I go home and away watching Halesowen Town these days as Premier League football bores me. I thought I'd give it a go tonight. How bloody awful. I feel for you poor sods watching that every week.
My observations. What is the point of playing Gabby and Weimann where they hurt nobody? Two holding midfielders who barely crossed the half way line and Cleverley went missing. If you play Gabby surely you play him up against that lump Dunne or wide to beat a full back? I didn't see a Villa midfielder make a run into the box at all, all night. They've conceded two goals per game and we didn't even manage two shots on target. Austin scored twice for them and didn't do anything outside of the penalty area. He hit us where it hurts. As for our lot...
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I honestly can't see where the next goal, let alone win, is coming from. He's got to go, surely?
And that is the absolute worst thing about this situation.
I could maybe put up with it if we had the glimmer, the faintest glimmer of hope that he might get the sack, but he won't, he's just been given a new spangly long contract.
Unbelievably feeble "leadership" from that utter fool Lerner.
There is no way out of this, none at all. We're stuck with this bloke, despite more and more proof he is out of his depth.
This is the thing, he's about the most ensconced unsuccessful manager I've ever seen. There is a zero percent chance of him being sacked.
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Absolute crap. No creativity. We rarely threatened them. In the end we didn't do enough in the final third to capitalize on our possession. QPR won't have an easier game all season.
Lambert simply must go. I hope the Villa fans make it patantly clear next week that we want a change. If Randy's not here, hopefully the grapevine lets him know because next week has to be Lamberts Bolton. I don't think there's any come back from this. He's going to lose against Spurs. That's got to be the final nail. Will it be? Probably not, but it fucking should be.
Bring in Pulis on a rolling deal. Have him save us. If he then feels we're not gonna support him, we can look again in the summer. But he knows how to work on a budget. He knows how to get blood from a stone. Stoke shouldn't still be a Prem club, but he had them firmly established. What he did at Palace was nothing short of miraculous. We need that because Lambert will relegate us. If not this year, then next, because how long will the likes of Delph, Vlaar and Benteke stay?
Someone needs to come in and kick some of these players up the ass, especially Gabby. Darren Bent ate Grant Holt and Gabby looks like he's eaten Darren Bent. Apparently Bent played today briefly, but I didn't notice.
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How many negative records have to be broken before Lerner sacks Lambert, the opposition we played tonight were rubbish but they still managed to get two past us, Westwood is dire but so are some of his mates, never seen so many bad passes from both teams in one game. someone mentioned Moyes, yes please and before our next match.
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The one thing I don't get (among all the others) most is why he keeps persisting with Gabby and Andi. They're stealing a fucking living these days. Cleverley out left is a massive waste of the things he actually can do kind of well. The defending...well, only thing I can say is at least they weren't constantly shambolic.
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To the guy that said sacking him was knee jerk, it's not. It should have happened during the Christmas run. It should have happened toward the back end of last season. Every time he gets a last chance saloon win when we don't deserve one and survives.
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Can I get that 90 minutes back, what a waste of time.
Get a tivo box. I paused the telly from half seven til quarter past eight and fast forwarded through lots of the game. Watched half-time though, always the best bit of Villa games these days.
Thought Sanchez looked good apart from his cock-up.
Any chance you can fast forward through the next few months and tell us it gets better?
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Lerner seems scared to sack his manager. Get Moyes in as soon as possible!!
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After the game, Lambert goes to see Lerner:
- Sorry boss, we gave it everything and I'm proud of the lads, but QPR were just too good for us tonight.
- Don't worry, Paul. It was a good effort in the circumstances. Don't get disheartened. No, please stop crying. I can't stand to see a grown man weep. For god's sake man, stop it! Look, how'd you like another year on that contract? No? What about two? OK? Oh, thank god for that.
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The one tiny, tiny glimmer of hope in all this - and it is truly tiny - is that Moyes is available, wants to get back into the game, and Lerner loves him.
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We need a change.
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Seeing Joe Cole and Tom Cleverley in villa shirts. Pause and just take that in fully.
We are so in trouble I think it's a lost cause now .
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Austin saying they only needed half the performance against pool to get something off us is hilarious
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The one tiny, tiny glimmer of hope in all this - and it is truly tiny - is that Moyes is available, wants to get back into the game, and Lerner loves him.
If he hadn't been given a 4 year contract maybe, but that 4 year deal extinguishes that hope.
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Seeing Joe Cole and Tom Cleverley in villa shirts. Pause and just take that in fully.
We are so in trouble I think it's a lost cause now .
I have nothing against Cleverley. He's not a bad player. He's tidy in possession and technically a bit better than our other midfielders. It's just that I can't for the life of me see what he's meant to be doing for us on the pitch. And frankly, it doesn't look like he can either.
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Cissokho started life well here but he's slowly having any semblence of being a good player drained out of him by Lambert. He's turning into Bambi on ice. We slowly drained the quality out of Bertrand last season.
The only positive today was Sanchez who looks a proper player, but he's only got 60 minutes in him at the moment, such is the change of pace to what he's used to. He gave it away a few times around the hour mark, resulting in their second. I'm not gonna blame him too much though because overall he was our best player and at least tried to set things in motion.
There's no way with the players we have at our disposal, that we shouldn't be capable of a solid finish. It's just the dire management. Clueless tactics and players just seem to lose all motivation at times when Lambert should be firing them up. He's unquestionably the worst manager I've known in my time as a Villa fan (89-present). He's worse than McLeish, who could even hope to break as many negative records as Lamberk has.
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I am devoid of hope for us. There's not an ounce of joy watching us these days and not a chance of anything whatsoever changing. I am resigned and numb to us dropping and entering the graveyard of once great clubs.
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FOR GOD'S SAKE GOOOOOO
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Another thing... how can Concrete Ron look like Concrete playing for Holland against Costa, Messi et al, and for us play like Playdoh Ron against Charlie friggin Austin.
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Where to start? Lamberk and his 4 year deal? Joe Cole as our plan B? Keane and his beard? This great club is a laughing stock and there is no mistake we are only headed in one direction, straight to The Championship and then what are we gonna have to bounce back with? I'd love to offer a shred of hope but in the new financial era who is gonna be mad enough to buy us? It's so depressing, we are done for.
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This for the Holte End on Sunday.
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Its hard to care anymore, as someone said earlier, if i was not a Villa fan, then i would want us to go down.No creativity, dull, boring, no exciting players, a dour manager, no ambition.
And Gabby was an absolute disgrace tonight.
Tonight proved 2 things to me tonight.Cleverley is never a £8m player, and Westwood is a 1st division player, neither offer anything.Gabby and Weimann offer so little quality its embarrassing
I'm not one to go on at Lambert, but he gives me no hope.I can't see a worse team in the league than us tbh, and QPR were shit as well.
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So little (nothing?) to be positive about. The worst thing about tonight is that, despite QPR's inherent shitness, it is nothing more or less than I expected.
No belief, desire, or confidence means we cannot do the basics like pass, control, move, tackle and mark.
There surely has to be some serious fitness or attitude problem with Okore if Clark and Baker are making the team ahead of him. It simply cannot be down to ability - then again it is Lambert making the decision.
I bet Burnley can't fucking wait to play us to get their season kick-started.
Unfortunately the owner seems satisfied with this clown so we are stuck with him. I doubt even relegation would wake Lerner up.
Mr Lerner senior clearly married the dumbest blonde in America and little Randolph took after Mommy.
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Seeing Joe Cole and Tom Cleverley in villa shirts. Pause and just take that in fully.
We are so in trouble I think it's a lost cause now .
I have nothing against Cleverley. He's not a bad player. He's tidy in possession and technically a bit better than our other midfielders. It's just that I can't for the life of me see what he's meant to be doing for us on the pitch. And frankly, it doesn't look like he can either.
No that's the problem. He's comfortably a mid-table level player at his best, so we need more from him, but essentially he and Westwood are doing the same job. The formation isn't helping them. We cross the half way line and suddenly the entire team looks utterly lost.
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To the guy that said sacking him was knee jerk, it's not. It should have happened during the Christmas run. It should have happened toward the back end of last season. Every time he gets a last chance saloon win when we don't deserve one and survives.
Yeah you're right, I just assumed that he would come good if we stuck with him but I see it's clearly not ever going to happen. If Moyes was willing to take charge here I'd move heaven and earth to get him in.
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A new low. No fight and no pride, which is the least I expect from any player wearing our shirt. Picked out the following from the match.
Gabby: I support the Villa as well but I don't deserve a 4 year contract at the club and neither does he. Drop him.
Wiemann: I too can run around like a dog looking for his ball at the park, again doesn't mean I should play for our club. Drop him
Clark: Who scouted him and thought he could ever be a footballer? Drop him and never let him near the first team again even if every other player at the club in all age groups from under 8s right up to the senior players contracts ebola.
Westwood: Came from Crewe, would be lucky to get a place on their bench. Drop him.
Cole: Why, why, why did we sign him? Came on for the last 20 minutes and after about five of those looked like me after I've ran up a short flight of stairs, ie breathing out of his arse.
As for the rest well fingers crossed they start realising what a fantastic, well supported club they play for and start fighting for the shirt.
Up the Villa, now and always.
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We have become a very poor side under Lambert and 4 goals in 9 games, losing to the bottom club without troubling the scoreboard (again), and losing 5 on the bounce without scoring is a new low. Giving him a new contract was simply bizarre. I genuinely believe we're heading for relegation this year unless things change, but that change won't come from Lerner. I really feel the fans will turn on Lambert on Sunday - he's had an easy ride so far but I can already hear 'the Villa is ours, fuck off Lambert the Villa is ours' ringing round VP next weekend. Desperate times
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I said in the match thread that that we started well, but got worse as the first half progressed.
But the second half was a fucking shambles.
After 20 mins of the second half I was asking what lambert had done to change things at half time, how he intended to get back into the game.
He has no idea how to change or influence a game in flight.
We are so one dimensional it's beyond a joke and it's no wonder we are a pushover.
There is no question now, he HAS to go.
There are no more excuses, no more, 'give him till christmas'. Or 'wait till we play the 'easier' games'.
Let's realise, WE are one of those easier games.
We are only heading in one direction with this buffoon in charge.
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I give it until about Thursday before the posts start dribbling in about Lambert never having any money to spend and it is all down to MON's profligacy and he has done a reasonable job keeping us up the last two seasons and what terrible luck he has had with injuries and how brilliant he was at Norwich.
There is not a single club in the football league who would keep Lambert as manager. We not only keep him we give him a four year contract for services rendered. He is the worst manager I have ever seen in charge of Villa and that includes Vic Crowe, Graham Turner, Billy McNeill, Josef Venglos and Alex McLeish.
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Dear oh dear, where's the next win coming from?
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We are a terrible terrible team, and will go down. But you know what, we need to. Because I can't deal with this anymore. I've had enough. Tuesday nights at Blackburn sounds depressing, but at least we might win the odd game.
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I give it until about Thursday before the posts start dribbling in about Lambert never having any money to spend and it is all down to MON's profligacy and he has done a reasonable job keeping us up the last two seasons and what terrible luck he has had with injuries and how brilliant he was at Norwich.
There is not a single club in the football league who would keep Lambert as manager. We not only keep him we give him a four year contract for services rendered. He is the worst manager I have ever seen in charge of Villa and that includes Vic Crowe, Graham Turner, Billy McNeill, Josef Venglos and Alex McLeish.
This is the thing, I've never seen such utter failure being so richly rewarded.
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Factory of Sadness :(
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lambert and keane both looked uninterested - no steel . no passion from either of them
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Sanchez was dismal for their second. Passed tamely to one of their players, then didn't close the player down at all. Utter shite.
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Sad to report the manager and most of players didnt even acknowledge fans and Lowton came over and gestured absolute disgrace
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We are a terrible terrible team, and will go down. But you know what, we need to. Because I can't deal with this anymore. I've had enough. Tuesday nights at Blackburn sounds depressing, but at least we might win the odd game.
We'd struggle in the Championship with that idiot in charge.
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I give it until about Thursday before the posts start dribbling in about Lambert never having any money to spend and it is all down to MON's profligacy and he has done a reasonable job keeping us up the last two seasons and what terrible luck he has had with injuries and how brilliant he was at Norwich.
There is not a single club in the football league who would keep Lambert as manager. We not only keep him we give him a four year contract for services rendered. He is the worst manager I have ever seen in charge of Villa and that includes Vic Crowe, Graham Turner, Billy McNeill, Josef Venglos and Alex McLeish.
This is the thing, I've never seen such utter failure being so richly rewarded.
The Club has done a good job of managing our expectations to the extent that we are now happy that we might have a chance of getting a draw with West Ham if we're lucky.
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The one tiny, tiny glimmer of hope in all this - and it is truly tiny - is that Moyes is available, wants to get back into the game, and Lerner loves him.
If he hadn't been given a 4 year contract maybe, but that 4 year deal extinguishes that hope.
Lots of people on here reckon that Pardew's ridiculous contract has a clause saying that they only have to pay him a year's money to sack him. Is there a chance that Lambert's ridiculous contract is the same?
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I give it until about Thursday before the posts start dribbling in about Lambert never having any money to spend and it is all down to MON's profligacy and he has done a reasonable job keeping us up the last two seasons and what terrible luck he has had with injuries and how brilliant he was at Norwich.
There is not a single club in the football league who would keep Lambert as manager. We not only keep him we give him a four year contract for services rendered. He is the worst manager I have ever seen in charge of Villa and that includes Vic Crowe, Graham Turner, Billy McNeill, Josef Venglos and Alex McLeish.
I bet Vic Crowe's win record is better than PL's!
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I give it until about Thursday before the posts start dribbling in about Lambert never having any money to spend and it is all down to MON's profligacy and he has done a reasonable job keeping us up the last two seasons and what terrible luck he has had with injuries and how brilliant he was at Norwich.
There is not a single club in the football league who would keep Lambert as manager. We not only keep him we give him a four year contract for services rendered. He is the worst manager I have ever seen in charge of Villa and that includes Vic Crowe, Graham Turner, Billy McNeill, Josef Venglos and Alex McLeish.
This is the thing, I've never seen such utter failure being so richly rewarded.
I'm too young for Crowe. The rest were moved on quicker than this clown. Much quicker
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When you think Doug fired BFR the same year we won a trophy - admittedly the league form had been decidedly average over his last 42 games but nevertheless we had won a trophy and finished 2nd two years earlier - it makes you wonder how long Doug would have put up with all this? I think Lambert would have gone at the end of his first season.
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Sanchez was dismal for their second. Passed tamely to one of their players, then didn't close the player down at all. Utter shite.
In a bit of a defence of him he was starting to look knackered. It's up to Keane & Lambert to spot players getting tired, especially the likes of Benteke and Sanchez who haven't played much and probably aren't up to a full on 90+ mins.
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This for the Holte End on Sunday.
That is awesome!
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It's bad enough when a club has a yes man in charge. We've got two of the fuckers.
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Sad to report the manager and most of players didnt even acknowledge fans and Lowton came over and gestured absolute disgrace
That's not good. Lowton was an abomination today. Just looked completely and utterly lost at this level. And lets be honest, the level of quality didn't look like Premiership. From the ground, to a lot of the players to the standard of football, it looked every inch, and possibly will be next season, a championship game.
I think he'd struggle even at that level.
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I give it until about Thursday before the posts start dribbling in about Lambert never having any money to spend and it is all down to MON's profligacy and he has done a reasonable job keeping us up the last two seasons and what terrible luck he has had with injuries and how brilliant he was at Norwich.
There is not a single club in the football league who would keep Lambert as manager. We not only keep him we give him a four year contract for services rendered. He is the worst manager I have ever seen in charge of Villa and that includes Vic Crowe, Graham Turner, Billy McNeill, Josef Venglos and Alex McLeish.
I bet Vic Crowe's win record is better than PL's!
Vic Crowe had the best win record of any Villa manager.
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I give it until about Thursday before the posts start dribbling in about Lambert never having any money to spend and it is all down to MON's profligacy and he has done a reasonable job keeping us up the last two seasons and what terrible luck he has had with injuries and how brilliant he was at Norwich.
There is not a single club in the football league who would keep Lambert as manager. We not only keep him we give him a four year contract for services rendered. He is the worst manager I have ever seen in charge of Villa and that includes Vic Crowe, Graham Turner, Billy McNeill, Josef Venglos and Alex McLeish.
Not in a million years does Vic Crowe deserve to be in that list.
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Weimann for a professional footballer, never, ever looks like he's in control of the ball.
Playing Gabby in the centre behind Benteke, another tactical master stroke by Lambert.
Benteke, although only half fit, did a very good impression of Ballotelli.
Lambert decides to change it once we go 2 down, genius.
It's quiet simple! if we keep playing the same tactics, with the same players we'll keep getting the same results.
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Ellis hired 2 shit managers on ghe bounce once. Lerner has done 3 on the spin.
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I can see Keane walking out this week, what the fuck must he be thinking of the clueless twat in charge!!
It's a disgrace what's going on and it needs sorting, quick!
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I give it until about Thursday before the posts start dribbling in about Lambert never having any money to spend and it is all down to MON's profligacy and he has done a reasonable job keeping us up the last two seasons and what terrible luck he has had with injuries and how brilliant he was at Norwich.
There is not a single club in the football league who would keep Lambert as manager. We not only keep him we give him a four year contract for services rendered. He is the worst manager I have ever seen in charge of Villa and that includes Vic Crowe, Graham Turner, Billy McNeill, Josef Venglos and Alex McLeish.
Spot on. Another fucking shambles presided over by one of the thickest fucking idiots to ever set foot in this club.
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lambert and keane both looked uninterested - no steel . no passion from either of them
I expect it from Lambert but to see Keane so completely fed up scares me. The apathy in our club is spreading
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The one tiny, tiny glimmer of hope in all this - and it is truly tiny - is that Moyes is available, wants to get back into the game, and Lerner loves him.
If he hadn't been given a 4 year contract maybe, but that 4 year deal extinguishes that hope.
Lots of people on here reckon that Pardew's ridiculous contract has a clause saying that they only have to pay him a year's money to sack him. Is there a chance that Lambert's ridiculous contract is the same?
Yes
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When you think Doug fired BFR the same year we won a trophy - admittedly the league form had been decidedly average over his last 42 games but nevertheless we had won a trophy and finished 2nd two years earlier - it makes you wonder how long Doug would have put up with all this? I think Lambert would have gone at the end of his first season.
I'm not sure he'd have even made it to the end. Doug would have made his mind up by the time Chelsea had notched up number 4 of 8.
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Keane will have walked by the end on November.
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back to 4-4-2 for me, this 4-3-3 clearly isn't working.
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He tries to turn full backs into makeshift wingers, went well tonight, not. Benteke should have come off half way through the second half as he was shot but Bent came on for the last fifteen minutes and i don't remember him touching the ball once.
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Villa used to be my bit of escapism from reality. Now reality is my bit of escapism from Villa.
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Appalling yet again. Tactically inept, no passion, clueless. This really can't go on. We have become an insignificant blot on the Premier League. That is your current legacy Lerner! Get Moyes in by the weekend for gods sake.
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We are a terrible terrible team, and will go down. But you know what, we need to. Because I can't deal with this anymore. I've had enough. Tuesday nights at Blackburn sounds depressing, but at least we might win the odd game.
No, I agree, I've actually thought that for sometime but have been scared to say so. We stink this league out, we are by quite some way the most boring club in it and we are a fucking embarrassment to all and sundry, and have been for some time
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lambert and keane both looked uninterested - no steel . no passion from either of them
I expect it from Lambert but to see Keane so completely fed up scares me. The apathy in our club is spreading
There was a shot of Lambert frantically scribbling in his note pad and Keane looked like he was praying. Which I suppose was a more effective tactic than anything Lambert was scribbling down.
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The one tiny, tiny glimmer of hope in all this - and it is truly tiny - is that Moyes is available, wants to get back into the game, and Lerner loves him.
If he hadn't been given a 4 year contract maybe, but that 4 year deal extinguishes that hope.
Lots of people on here reckon that Pardew's ridiculous contract has a clause saying that they only have to pay him a year's money to sack him. Is there a chance that Lambert's ridiculous contract is the same?
No chance. Say what you like about Mike Ashley but he's a successful businessman. Lambert's contract probably means we'd have to pay him 10 years pay and give him the deeds to the ground.
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back to 4-4-2 for me, this 4-3-3 clearly isn't working.
it hasn't worked for nigh on three years. the man cannot or will not see it. counter-attack, counter-attack, counter-attack with players who treat the ball like a live hand grenade. we have the most uncreative midfield I can ever remember at Villa.
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As inconsistent as they are I think we need either Zog or Bacuna in, purely for some pace. We are too slow and predictable, especially when Gabby isn't having his one good game in 8.
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In defense of Sanchez for an hour I thought he was our best player as someone said earlier he looked tired and the manager did nowt!
I am sick of lambert absolutely sick of him and I think a lot of fans are too! We have to vent our fury
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Bring in Pulis on a rolling deal. Have him save us. If he then feels we're not gonna support him, we can look again in the summer. But he knows how to work on a budget. He knows how to get blood from a stone. Stoke shouldn't still be a Prem club, but he had them firmly established.
I agree with most of what you say but not this bit. Stoke under Pulis had a bigger net spend than every club except Man City and Chelsea during his reign so he had a huge budget to work with. Plenty of money and a good ground, there's no reason at all why they shouldn't be a Premier League club.
I'd be very happy for him to come in at the expense of the current clown though.
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I give it until about Thursday before the posts start dribbling in about Lambert never having any money to spend and it is all down to MON's profligacy and he has done a reasonable job keeping us up the last two seasons and what terrible luck he has had with injuries and how brilliant he was at Norwich.
There is not a single club in the football league who would keep Lambert as manager. We not only keep him we give him a four year contract for services rendered. He is the worst manager I have ever seen in charge of Villa and that includes Vic Crowe, Graham Turner, Billy McNeill, Josef Venglos and Alex McLeish.
Agreed. Unwanted record after unwanted record.
He lined up hoping not to lose and there was no drive nor determination. The players need to look at themselves as well although we know that quite a few are just not of the right calibre.
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At least it's on TV again Sunday .
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Keane will have walked by the end on November.
He won't stick around. Amateurs we are.
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Doug would have decided to fire Lambert the moment he put Ireland on against Chelsea when we were already four nil down.
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In defense of Sanchez for an hour I thought he was our best player as someone said earlier he looked tired and the manager did nowt!
I am sick of lambert absolutely sick of him and I think a lot of fans are too! We have to vent our fury
It was me. Lambert and Keane had a shocker tactically in the second half. We can't just blame Lambert, Keane's job is to make sure nothing is missed.
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I can see Keane walking out this week, what the fuck must he be thinking of the clueless twat in charge!!
Same here, I was thinking earlier Keane will be the first to go.
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If anyone watched on Sky and was wondering what Lambert was scribbling down on his notepad, apparently some sharp eyed gent in the crowd got a shot:
(http://i.imgur.com/lamvgp9m.jpg)
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That's two Octobers running we haven't scored a single goal in the month. Impressive.
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Bring in Pulis on a rolling deal. Have him save us. If he then feels we're not gonna support him, we can look again in the summer. But he knows how to work on a budget. He knows how to get blood from a stone. Stoke shouldn't still be a Prem club, but he had them firmly established.
I agree with most of what you say but not this bit. Stoke under Pulis had a bigger net spend than every club except Man City and Chelsea during his reign so he had a huge budget to work with. Plenty of money and a good ground, there's no reason at all why they shouldn't be a Premier League club.
I'd be very happy for him to come in at the expense of the current clown though.
And to think over the years on here, including me we have ridiculed Pulis and Fat Sam for their brand of footy. Pulis any day of the week for me
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That's two Octobers running we haven't scored a single goal in the month. Impressive.
October is the new March.
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In defense of Sanchez for an hour I thought he was our best player as someone said earlier he looked tired and the manager did nowt!
I am sick of lambert absolutely sick of him and I think a lot of fans are too! We have to vent our fury
Agree re Sanchez
If anyone wants a scapegoat tonight look at Plastic Ron
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Absolute total rubbish
Lowton and Clark will never be Premier League footballers as long as they have a hole in their arse
If Benteke is fit I dread to think how out of shape Okore is
Agbonlahor was like the invisible man
Cole and Bent were about as effective as Hinge and Brackett when they came on
I can sum that game up in five words; shit, shit, shit, shit and shit
I would say Lambert out but what is the point anymore...
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I give it until about Thursday before the posts start dribbling in about Lambert never having any money to spend and it is all down to MON's profligacy and he has done a reasonable job keeping us up the last two seasons and what terrible luck he has had with injuries and how brilliant he was at Norwich.
There is not a single club in the football league who would keep Lambert as manager. We not only keep him we give him a four year contract for services rendered. He is the worst manager I have ever seen in charge of Villa and that includes Vic Crowe, Graham Turner, Billy McNeill, Josef Venglos and Alex McLeish.
Not in a million years does Vic Crowe deserve to be in that list.
Vic Crowe has a decent win record on paper - 44.22% - post-war he's only behind GT (1st spell), Tony Barton and Ron Saunders.
McLeish and McNeill are our worst managers by some distance at 21.43% and 21.95% respectively.
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http://www.bishopsport.co.uk/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=758&P_ID=6710
These needed at both ends and all along the sides on Sunday
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I can see Keane walking out this week, what the fuck must he be thinking of the clueless twat in charge!!
Same here, I was thinking earlier Keane will be the first to go.
Worse than that. He will take f in charge
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Bring in Pulis on a rolling deal. Have him save us. If he then feels we're not gonna support him, we can look again in the summer. But he knows how to work on a budget. He knows how to get blood from a stone. Stoke shouldn't still be a Prem club, but he had them firmly established.
I agree with most of what you say but not this bit. Stoke under Pulis had a bigger net spend than every club except Man City and Chelsea during his reign so he had a huge budget to work with. Plenty of money and a good ground, there's no reason at all why they shouldn't be a Premier League club.
I'd be very happy for him to come in at the expense of the current clown though.
Their budget increased year on year to be fair. Initially though he did very well to keep them up. He probably stayed a year too long in the end and ironically they looked worse after their biggest window of spending.
But I'd trust him on limited resources.
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Lerner was under no pressure at all to hand Lambert a 4 yer contract - he hasn' t got the bottle to sack him.....swallow your pride Randy and get Moyes in. Cough up the compensation on Lambert's contract, otherwise it'll cost you 10 times more with relegation!!
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Villa since Lambert signed his new contract:
P 5, W 0, D 0, L 5
Goals for: 0
Goals against: 13
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I give it until about Thursday before the posts start dribbling in about Lambert never having any money to spend and it is all down to MON's profligacy and he has done a reasonable job keeping us up the last two seasons and what terrible luck he has had with injuries and how brilliant he was at Norwich.
There is not a single club in the football league who would keep Lambert as manager. We not only keep him we give him a four year contract for services rendered. He is the worst manager I have ever seen in charge of Villa and that includes Vic Crowe, Graham Turner, Billy McNeill, Josef Venglos and Alex McLeish.
Not in a million years does Vic Crowe deserve to be in that list.
I worked with 2 chaps at GEC Midland Computer Services on Electric Avenue who stopped going to the games because of Ron Saunders' negative tactics after Vic Crowe's reign. True story. And one of them still wore a Villa scarf to work!
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lambert and keane both looked uninterested - no steel . no passion from either of them
I expect it from Lambert but to see Keane so completely fed up scares me. The apathy in our club is spreading
There was a shot of Lambert frantically scribbling in his note pad and Keane looked like he was praying. Which I suppose was a more effective tactic than anything Lambert was scribbling down.
they were playing hangman
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I saw reasons to he cheerful. We dominated possession and Sanchez was the best player on the pitch. They had 2 shits all game. It's a shame our chances fell to defenders.
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Just seen a stat
20th in league on goals scored
20th in league for number of shots
19th in possession
It goes on it is a total joke
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I saw reasons to he cheerful. We dominated possession and Sanchez was the best player on the pitch. They had 2 shits all game. It's a shame our chances fell to defenders.
The dirty feckers!
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I saw reasons to he cheerful. We dominated possession and Sanchez was the best player on the pitch. They had 2 shits all game. It's a shame our chances fell to defenders.
no they didnt
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In defense of Sanchez for an hour I thought he was our best player as someone said earlier he looked tired and the manager did nowt!
I am sick of lambert absolutely sick of him and I think a lot of fans are too! We have to vent our fury
Agree re Sanchez
If anyone wants a scapegoat tonight look at Plastic Ron
I was actually thinking that a lot tonight. So much was made of Ron after his world cup. He's never, ever looked as good for us. Granted, we may have to cut him the benefit of doubt having worked with Lambert, but in terms of respective Villa careers, Ron isn't fit to tie Dunneys shoe-laces.
Dunney was immense for them tonight. He can't run much but he's a proper brick of a defender who can read the game. He kept our entire front line in his pocket all game. It's a shame his time here was soured by the incident with Cowans, and poor form in the early days under Houllier, but he was excellent under O Neill and likewise under McLeish until his injury.
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Lambert hiding away in the dressing room
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I saw reasons to he cheerful. We dominated possession and Sanchez was the best player on the pitch. They had 2 shits all game. It's a shame our chances fell to defenders.
The dirty feckers!
Yep, Austin took a couple of giant dumps all over our backline.
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Just seen a stat
20th in league on goals scored
20th in league for number of shots
19th in possession
It goes on it is a total joke
We've gone up! Before the game we were 20th in possession.
Reasons to be hopeful...
:(
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I saw reasons to he cheerful. We dominated possession and Sanchez was the best player on the pitch. They had 2 shits all game. It's a shame our chances fell to defenders.
The dirty feckers!
We had 11 shits all game.
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Just read on twitter that Leeds United and Watford have had 5 managers between them since we last scored!
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Lambert is breaking all records at Villa, and is rewarded with a 4 year contract!
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Sanchez was dismal for their second. Passed tamely to one of their players, then didn't close the player down at all. Utter shite.
In a bit of a defence of him he was starting to look knackered. It's up to Keane & Lambert to spot players getting tired, especially the likes of Benteke and Sanchez who haven't played much and probably aren't up to a full on 90+ mins.
This is type of thing I notice the most about him.
No subs until a 2nd goal. No clue how to change things especially when players are out on their feet having been out for six months or still adjusting to the pace. He is just tactically inept really - it's a fine line between being capable and out of your depth at this level.
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I saw reasons to he cheerful. We dominated possession and Sanchez was the best player on the pitch. They had 2 shits all game. It's a shame our chances fell to defenders.
Worst attempt at a wind up for quite some time.Must try harder.
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Just read on twitter that Leeds United and Watford have had 5 managers between them since we last scored!
We're getting as bad as small heath and popes!
*One for the older fans there.
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We made that very easy for them in the end.
The way we started I thought we would get a result, but it was a really poor goal to give away and the only thing QPR did all half was score. Westwood needed to be tighter, but Vlaar wants shooting. Zamora didn't even have to jump and he just eased Vlaar out. Nowhere near good enough.
The amount of space available on the right that we failed to exploit was a joke. Too narrow, Weimann not coming over and getting close to Lowton, the full backs trying to take the first ball instead of driving into the space was bizarre. Hutton would have exploited the space a lot more.
The second half was pretty similar and we kept the pressure on in mutch the same way, without really testing Green anywhere near enough for the amount of ball we had, especially in their final third. I feel a bit sorry for Sanchez, at fault for giving it away, but by and large he was excellent and looked to have a touch of class a cut above Westwood.
The way we set up didn't make sense. Cleverley offers a lot more going forwards than Westwood, but was shunted out wide, it seems to shoehorn Weimann and Gabby in. Then after the second went in, we bring Cole on and then moved Gabby to a withdrawn central position and we end up even narrower than before.
Bent did something that Gabby and Weimann seemingly cannot, he got close to Benteke, which is what Austin did with Zamora.
Clark should have hurried his two chances, the second in particular. I don't know how much possession we did have, but it wouldn't surprise me if we had 70% of it, the vast majority in their half and towards the final third, yet we didn't create nearly enough and we won't playing that system.
Lambert has to seriously reconsider how we set up. You need to get a much better quality of delivery into Benteke and you have to get men in support of him too. I think against Tottenham the pressure is incredible and all that matters is the result. It's time to cut the favourites and get some width in there, supplied by a midfield who can move the ball on. Westwood doesn't move the ball on forwards, yet a player that can, Cleverley, is shifted wide and out of position where an N'Zogbia, a Bacuna or a Grealish can offer natural width.
We haven't scored since the 13th September and that isn't going to change no matter how little or much of the ball we have unless there is a re-think. QPR were bloody awful, if they go down, nobody will be shocked, yet much like Everton, it was too easy to beat us.
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Lambert is breaking all records at Villa, and is rewarded with a 4 year contract!
That in itself must be some sort of record .
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Lambert hiding away in the dressing room
he aint got no more excuses
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In defense of Sanchez for an hour I thought he was our best player as someone said earlier he looked tired and the manager did nowt!
I am sick of lambert absolutely sick of him and I think a lot of fans are too! We have to vent our fury
Agree re Sanchez
If anyone wants a scapegoat tonight look at Plastic Ron
I was actually thinking that a lot tonight. So much was made of Ron after his world cup. He's never, ever looked as good for us. Granted, we may have to cut him the benefit of doubt having worked with Lambert, but in terms of respective Villa careers, Ron isn't fit to tie Dunneys shoe-laces.
Dunney was immense for them tonight. He can't run much but he's a proper brick of a defender who can read the game. He kept our entire front line in his pocket all game. It's a shame his time here was soured by the incident with Cowans, and poor form in the early days under Houllier, but he was excellent under O Neill and likewise under McLeish until his injury.
Agree. I rated Dunne at VP.
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Dunne and Collins was the best centre-back partnership we'd had since McGrath and Teale.
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Hurry up Lambert, I'm not going to bed until I've heard "We Go Again".
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Anyone mentioned #LambertOut is trending on Twitter? Hardly surprising.
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Hurry up Lambert, I'm not going to bed until I've heard "We Go Again".
He is going to say that, and that he can't fault the lads for effort.
I know he is. I don't want to hear it, but can't stop watching and waiting for it.
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It's just not going to work out here for Lambert. Sometimes no matter how hard you try it just wont happen. He's lost the majority of fans and the players must be dreading every single game. For his own sake he should do the honourable thing and walk away before it destroys him and irreparably damages the club.
Please! Just go now! Aston Villa are not sleepwalking towards relegation, they are hurtling headlong into oblivion.
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Dunne and Collins was the best centre-back partnership we'd had since McGrath and Teale.
There's potential in a Senderos and Vlaar partnership, but that's dependant on if fitness will allow. Ron needs a big niggly bastard next to him I think, and Big Phil is that.
It's about time we stopped giving him Clark to babysit.
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Lambert out
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Lambert's on now.... so's the subtitles
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I saw reasons to he cheerful. We dominated possession and Sanchez was the best player on the pitch. They had 2 shits all game. It's a shame our chances fell to defenders.
Worst attempt at a wind up for quite some time.Must try harder.
No wind up, just trying to see the positives. It's easy to sit there and moan.
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He did say we go again
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We were well on top until they scored, but I was still sure we would lose. Vlarr/Delph/Benteke all fit is the spine. One missing, one a good way from match fitness and another who probably reasons that it is against his interests to risk injury equals weak spine. Or spineless.
Fans have started voting with their feet now, and having lost our working class base, we are now testing the loyalty of their middle class replacements who want some entertainment bang for their emotionally and intellectually crushing cube based buck. Good luck with that. The half season ticket launch announced this week should tell the club what is what.
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Thought we looked okayish until 2-0 when we gave up.
Sanchez looked like he could be a good player who takes risks, and so ends up giving goals away.
Benteke was pretty poo.
I was confident we wouldn't get relegated after the Hull game, but now, despite not being really shit...
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It's OK Gary Neville said we'll be OK.
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I saw reasons to he cheerful. We dominated possession and Sanchez was the best player on the pitch. They had 2 shits all game. It's a shame our chances fell to defenders.
Worst attempt at a wind up for quite some time.Must try harder.
No wind up, just trying to see the positives. It's easy to sit there and moan.
You're just wrong though. They could have scored 5 easily tonight.
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It's OK Gary Neville said we'll be OK.
Give him Lambert's job then. He can't do any worse. And I'm not joking.
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I saw reasons to he cheerful. We dominated possession and Sanchez was the best player on the pitch. They had 2 shits all game. It's a shame our chances fell to defenders.
Worst attempt at a wind up for quite some time.Must try harder.
No wind up, just trying to see the positives. It's easy to sit there and moan.
It's easy when there is so much to moan about.
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I saw reasons to he cheerful. We dominated possession and Sanchez was the best player on the pitch.
We did have much better possession, against a really poor side that spent most of the first half giving us the ball. I really liked Sanchez and he reminded me a lot of Petrov. Then he gave away a stupid pass which led to their second. It looked like a tired pass though and I was yelling at the TV for a substitute around the 65th minute, rather than the 70th - straight after their second. Had we made a substitution between the 60th-65th minutes, there would have been a different chain of events and we may not have conceded the second.
The lack of creativity continues to be a great concern. This has been going on for several years now. We finished Lambert's first season strongly and then never built on it. I won't say anything about our style of play - everyone's said it already.
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Err... What's the story with Matt Lowton at the end of the game?
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I saw reasons to he cheerful. We dominated possession and Sanchez was the best player on the pitch. They had 2 shits all game. It's a shame our chances fell to defenders.
Worst attempt at a wind up for quite some time.Must try harder.
No wind up, just trying to see the positives. It's easy to sit there and moan.
You're just wrong though. They could have scored 5 easily tonight.
I'm not sure they even had 5 shots on target did they?
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Err... What's the story with Matt Lowton at the end of the game?
He was telling his wife in the crowd to get off home, she was on Twitter defending him. Apparently he was clapping the fans, someone misconstrued it as him telling the fans to go home
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As much as it pains me to say it listen to Steve Claridge's summary on Radio 5 from after the game. He htis the nail on the head and all but says that Lambert is to blame and looks like the players don't believe in him. I agree and the only way we are going to improve is getting rid.
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Just rang Talksport (I never usually ring radio call in shows).I said Lambert has under performed even in the circumstances he has had to work under. They set me up against another Villa fan who was anti Lerner. He reckoned it was all Lambert's fault. I think Jason Cundy was on my side until a rather sexy voiced young lady told me time was up. It was a bit like phoning Babestation. The call was ended just before I had finished.
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It was a bit like phoning Babestation. The call was ended just before I had finished.
*snigger*
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Poo
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I sat watching it tonight and during the first half I thought to myself 'Dunne and his centre half are having an easy game, they're only marking Benteke'. I spotted it and a good manager should have as well. He waited until we were two down until he changed it and that's Lambert's downfall, tactically he's not clever enough.
His new four year deal wasn't the best thought out idea really. In many ways, it was totally unnecessary.
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Fucking cunting trains are fucked, spent £100 and I have kebab all over my coat, I should be eligible to kick each one of those fucking wankstains in the fucking ****** as they get on their VIP cuntshuttles.
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Just rang Talksport (I never usually ring radio call in shows).I said Lambert has under performed even in the circumstances he has had to work under. They set me up against another Villa fan who was anti Lerner. He reckoned it was all Lambert's fault. I think Jason Cundy was on my side until a rather sexy voiced young lady told me time was up. It was a bit like phoning Babestation. The call was ended just before I had finished.
Who was the other caller? Chap called Dave? I didn't hear it but have a feeling it was my brother because he has texted me to say he's on Talksport.
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How many games will we go without scoring or winning?
9/10 matches?
Whatever, I can't believe that Lerner will take any notice. I hope he surprises me.
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Sadly,tonight turned out exactly as i forecast on the pre match thread. I just think things will continue as they are until there is a take over at the club.Lets face it,we have what must be the most clueless owner of a club,with a manager who is just as clueless.
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I have noticed that when the camera pans onto Lambert and Keane there never appears to be any communication. They look like two Albion supporters who didnt realise that the raffle tickets they bought was a chance to sit on the Villa bench for 90 mins.
Seriously to me Lambert looks like a broken man and I suspect he has lost the dressing room . As for Keane I have no idea what his function is because so little has changed. I suspect it was just a PR stunt to get him in.
As for the Vic Crowe comparison. I made reference to him last week as the situation currently reminded me of the situation we were in when we were stuck in the second division and he hadnt got a clue how to get us out. He was out of his depth as is Lambert.
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The sad thing is watching the second half and how poor we were at chasing that game, I was about to say to a mate that's as poor as I've seen us under Lambert....and then I remembered that half probably wouldn't even make the top 10 of poor halves of football under him.
Shocking that even Burnley have scored more than us after 10 games, we look even more toothless with Benteke back as we just lump the ball up to him all game.
Delph is also a big miss in the midfield, there's no energy there without him.
This is looking like a relegation battle now. Again.
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A few obvious points:
Benteke looked a way off match fitness - thought he was ponderous and indecisive
QPR just had to sit off us and let Sissokho or Clark hand the ball back to them
We had no width - I recall us getting behind their defence once in the first half with Weimann out right putting a ball in to Benteke
Our crossing is atrocious
Cleverley and Westwood are physically slight and easily overpowered ( and similar players anyway)
Sanchez was our best player and a real shame he just did something ludicrous for their goal
The substitutions were like the Bradford game - we had Benteke, Gabby and Bent all within 10 metres of each other and no width.
We have no leaders
I live round the corner from the ground and QPR fans reckon we were the ideal team to play. Also the worst opponents they have faced since last winter.
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Width, width, width.
It should be written in blood above the gates of Bodymoor Heath and engraved into the forehead of a horses head and placed into Lambert's bed.
Four, four, fucking two. Grealish, N'Zogbia, Agbonlahor or Bacuna, it doesn't matter would play them wide, as you will get nowhere trying to plunder bluntly up the middle. Get a striker close to Benteke too.
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As much as it pains me to say it listen to Steve Claridge's summary on Radio 5 from after the game. He htis the nail on the head and all but says that Lambert is to blame and looks like the players don't believe in him. I agree and the only way we are going to improve is getting rid.
Everyone at the club is in a comfort zone and it shows. No pressure on Lambert and in turn no pressure on the players, as the majority of them seem assured of a place in the side no matter how they perform. He really seems to have no idea of how to utilise the few attacking players he has at his disposal (might be an unfair comparison but look at what Martinez got out of N'Zogbia and Cleverley at Wigan) and once we go behind the game is pretty much gone.
As for tonight, well it's hardly like we have not seen that kind of performance numerous times before over the past few seasons. Some observations:
Gabby and Weimann were so wasteful in posession
No creativity from midfield - I don't know why Westwood was left on for so long
Lowton and Clark looked out of their depth yet again (for a 25 year old CB who has played at international level to be muscled off the ball like he was in the first is awful) - defence was all over the place at times
Benteke was poor, but at least he offered somewhat of a physical presence up front
Sanchez had some good moments, but looks like he is capable of a costly howler at any point (he gave the ball away twice right before the mistake he made for the second goal and they hit the post off one of them)
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To be fair, we do get a lot of crosses in.
From the centre circle.
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Just got back from the game. Terrible. Can't really say anything other than we shouldn't be rolling over for the worst team in the league like that.
One of the Villa players was getting shirty with the away fans at the end, couldn't quite make out who it was? Could have been having a go at someone in the lower tier. Anyone get a better look at it than me?
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Fucking cunting trains are fucked, spent £100 and I have kebab all over my coat, I should be eligible to kick each one of those fucking wankstains in the fucking c*** as they get on their VIP cuntshuttles.
*post of the year*
Brilliant stuff.
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Just got back from the game. Terrible. Can't really say anything other than we shouldn't be rolling over for the worst team in the league like that.
One of the Villa players was getting shirty with the away fans at the end, couldn't quite make out who it was? Could have been having a go at someone in the lower tier. Anyone get a better look at it than me?
Lowton.
Apparently pulled his cock out, pointed at his knob, and shouted "suck this, you wankers!"
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The night was summed up by Cole and Bentekes audition for the Chuckle Brothers going for the same ball at the end.
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Fucking cunting trains are fucked, spent £100 and I have kebab all over my coat, I should be eligible to kick each one of those fucking wankstains in the fucking c*** as they get on their VIP cuntshuttles.
*post of the year*
Brilliant stuff.
I particularly liked the way "fucking", "cunting", "fucked", fucking", "wankstains" and "cuntshuttles" are written out in all their glory, yet the mysterious "c***" is apparently beyond the pale. Superb.
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Fucking cunting trains are fucked, spent £100 and I have kebab all over my coat, I should be eligible to kick each one of those fucking wankstains in the fucking c*** as they get on their VIP cuntshuttles.
*post of the year*
Brilliant stuff.
Seconded for some reason I have kebab all over my coat is making me chuckle out loud....a lot.
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Just got back from the game. Terrible. Can't really say anything other than we shouldn't be rolling over for the worst team in the league like that.
One of the Villa players was getting shirty with the away fans at the end, couldn't quite make out who it was? Could have been having a go at someone in the lower tier. Anyone get a better look at it than me?
Lowton.
Apparently pulled his cock out, pointed at his knob, and shouted "suck this, you wankers!"
There was definitely no willy involved.
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I have noticed that when the camera pans onto Lambert and Keane there never appears to be any communication.
A mate of mine text me during the game and said exactly the same thing. I have noticed that Keane dosen't seem as agitated on the touchline as he was during the first few games.
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Just got back from the game. Terrible. Can't really say anything other than we shouldn't be rolling over for the worst team in the league like that.
One of the Villa players was getting shirty with the away fans at the end, couldn't quite make out who it was? Could have been having a go at someone in the lower tier. Anyone get a better look at it than me?
Lowton.
Apparently pulled his cock out, pointed at his knob, and shouted "suck this, you wankers!"
There was definitely no willy involved.
And certainly no bollocks shown. By any of them.
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Just got back from the game. Terrible. Can't really say anything other than we shouldn't be rolling over for the worst team in the league like that.
One of the Villa players was getting shirty with the away fans at the end, couldn't quite make out who it was? Could have been having a go at someone in the lower tier. Anyone get a better look at it than me?
Lowton.
Apparently pulled his cock out, pointed at his knob, and shouted "suck this, you wankers!"
REALLY? The bloke who passed to the opposition more than his own team tonight? My bet is he aimed at the Villa fans and ended up flashing it to the QPR fans judging by his performance.
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I've decided I am too scared of us winning another game in case they extend his contract again.
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Positive: Sanchez until his tired mistake led to their second.
Negatives: I wouldn't trust Lowton and Cleverly to cross the road never mind a football.
Prediction: If we lose on Sunday Lambert will have his McLeish v Bolton experience. I just hope that Randy is present and takes the appropriate action.
I never thought I'd say this, but Moyes is back looking for a job and let's face it he can't be any worse than the current incumbent.
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I've decided I am too scared of us winning another game in case they extend his contract again.
I'm ashamed to admit that I find myself hoping that the Spurs game on Sunday is another horrendous embarrassment, in the hope that somehow it might hasten Lambert's exit, because God knows that's what the club desperately needs.
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I never want us to lose but something has to give. I wondered how many of the Barcodes saw their win at Spurs as bittersweet - not just 3 points but more time given to Pardew.
That's where we are, however I still don't think that would be enough to get Lambert the sack in Lerner's eyes, least not yet anyway.
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Villa since Lambert signed his new contract:
P 5, W 0, D 0, L 5
Goals for: 0
Goals against: 13
Be that as it may but it's well worth the price for stability.
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There's so much to feel depressed about but one thing is the inevitably of losing. We were playing against a very poor team, we had more possession, we had several decent chances, but after QPR scored you never thought we could turn it round. There was mild booing at Everton last week but today the away fans were hostile and angry. The players who came over to thank us - Lowton and Vlaar - got lots of abuse. It reminded me of the reception the players got when we lost at Bradford: furious fans who can't take any more.
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Can I get that 90 minutes back, what a waste of time.
Get a tivo box. I paused the telly from half seven til quarter past eight and fast forwarded through lots of the game. Watched half-time though, always the best bit of Villa games these days.
Thought Sanchez looked good apart from his cock-up.
Well, you chose wisely opting for Corrie. Bad night all round though, Rob confessing to murder what with him being a real life Villa fan an'all. You wouldn't want to see him sent down now, would ya?
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The worst apart about living in the north west since we became poor is the extra time to sit and stu on a bad result.
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Fucking cunting trains are fucked, spent £100 and I have kebab all over my coat, I should be eligible to kick each one of those fucking wankstains in the fucking c*** as they get on their VIP cuntshuttles.
*post of the year*
Brilliant stuff.
Seconded for some reason I have kebab all over my coat is making me chuckle out loud....a lot.
Wish I had lipstick on my shirt instead of piss stains on my shoes.
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I just get the feeling that we're really going to tank somebody about 6 or 7 nil soon. You can see it coming.
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Even accounting for the normal tendency of this side to let you down, I really thought we'd get something there tonight. Nigh on impossible to make a case for Lambert any more.
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Even accounting for the normal tendency of this side to let you down, I really thought we'd get something there tonight.
A team without a win, a ground we never do well at, not scored for 4 games, yeah, it was nailed on.
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I just get the feeling that we're really going to tank somebody about 6 or 7 nil soon. You can see it coming.
I want some of what you are on.
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Just back.
Thought we'd get at least a point here tonight...started ok then all downhill, esp after their route one goal - I thought Clark had done well against Zamora but Vlaar was on him for that ball and Zamora won it easily - Sanchez did really well until he made 3 mistakes in a row, the last one leading to their 2nd goal.
Massively frustrated that Gabby posed almost no threat at all to the 2 slowest CBs in the league - I honestly thought that would be our main plan: shove Gabby right in their faces and let him take them apart with his pace. Didn't see it happen once! And Weimann: the number of times we had the ball in midfield and he moves towards the middle/Benteke, congesting the area, not stretching the oppo defence at all...as another poster has stated, let's have some fu**in' width for God's sake! Lowton was pisspoor, Vlaar didn't seem arsed (on his way?) and Benteke way off the pace/ineffective. (From my position how did Clark NOT score 2 tap-ins tonight?)
After a nervous start, when I thought QPR were there for the taking, they upped their game and gradually took complete control. We seemed to have no idea how to get back into the game...and therefore didn't.
Depressed, quiet coach all the way back to VP.
Am already dreading Sunday.
UTV!
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Just back after a 5 hour 18 minute journey home from younger sons house in Golders Green, which included 2 hours forty minutes stuck on the M1 in Northants because of a bad accident involving 5 lorries. I must be mad. Why was Lowton playing??
Looking forward to a proper match later today at the New Meadow.
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A number of things raise their ugly heads from last night, possession is not all its cracked up to be, if it is tippy tappy football with no end product.
Lamberts subs are always a reaction to something that has just happened, not a positive move to alter a pattern of play that is not working, or a player that is being over extended, Sanchez being the obvious one after 60 minutes today, he was knackered but still left on.
Cleverley what does he offer, he does not dictate play, he can half tackle that's about it and he can pass 4 or 5 yards sideways, if we fork out 8 million for him, god help us.
Then we have Gabby, Andy and Clarke let's be fair it has all been said a thousand times before.
Concrete Ron, don't make me laugh more like cardboard Ron, that world class superstar Zamora gave him a right hard time and I also thought he should have got across Austin for the second goal.
We have played the hard ones we were told, the problem with being Aston Villa at the moment with the tactically astute Mr. Lambert in charge, all the games are hard ones, that we seem destined to be tactically outwitted and lose.
Lambert please go and if Moyes does not fancy it, I would not say no to Sherwood.
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I have just read that we have now played 11 halves of football without scoring a goal. Only this clueless idiot of a manager could have a record like that and still be in a job
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I just get the feeling that we're really going to tank somebody about 6 or 7 nil soon. You can see it coming.
This should be added to the jokes thread.
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I just get the feeling that we're really going to tank somebody about 6 or 7 nil soon. You can see it coming.
Can you? I presume this is irony
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I just get the feeling that we're really going to tank somebody about 6 or 7 nil soon. You can see it coming.
Can you? I presume this is irony
Or a Spuds fan?
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I've decided I am too scared of us winning another game in case they extend his contract again.
I'm ashamed to admit that I find myself hoping that the Spurs game on Sunday is another horrendous embarrassment, in the hope that somehow it might hasten Lambert's exit, because God knows that's what the club desperately needs.
Unless we inexplicably do a Liverpool, we will get hammered. However, as Lambert has just signed a new contract on the back of his outstanding work to date, there is no way it will affect his n
Job security. I don't suppose he will much give a fuck either.
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A big thank you to the 3 stooges lambert randy and roy your a disgrace to this club
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A big thank you to the 3 stooges lambert randy and roy your a disgrace to this club
Not Keane''s fault, he must be as depressed as we are as to the state of affairs.
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Bad enough to make me want to cry.
Surely they most uninspiring team in the league.
That about sums it up. I can't even get angry any more, they just make me feel like crying. We are the most boring team to watch nowadays, the football is dire.
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We didn't play well last night but neither did we play particularly badly. The problem is after the run we have had this was supposed to where things changed.
We had plenty of the ball and a number of shots on target but for the most part looked laboured. Although it was a smart finish it was a poor first goal from our point of view. Zamora is a big bloke so it is inevitable he is going to win his fair share, what you have to do is anticipate and block the second ball but he had acres to steady himself and pick his spot. You can't help but think Senderos would have been alive to it. After that they could put 10 men behind the ball and frustrate us. Then Sanchez makes a complete pig's ear of a ten yard pass and they score another goal - yes he might have been tired but then doesn't begin to explain such a poor effort.
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Fucking cunting trains are fucked, spent £100 and I have kebab all over my coat, I should be eligible to kick each one of those fucking wankstains in the fucking c*** as they get on their VIP cuntshuttles.
Told you we should have never left the pub.
Truly awful performance, like watching schoolboys in a playground. Stop bunching Villa!!! Does nobody coach the players on keeping a shape and using wide players? They were like flies round shit. Sanchez must be wondering how he ever ended up playing in such a fucking shit team.
Most entertaining thing all night was that fella in a sombrero, waving a rattle.
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After last nights debacle there is another club in a bad run of form desperately needing a win, yes you've guessed it step forward Tottenham Hotspur.
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We might have had more possession overall but QPR had more of it in our half than we did in theirs. Passing it around our part of the centre circle for most of the night was never going to hurt them.
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After last nights debacle there is another club in a bad run of form desperately needing a win, yes you've guessed it step forward Tottenham Hotspur.
If I was a Spuds fan I'd be very happy at the impending opportunity.
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Lose that and he should go.
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We are limp and ineffective. Physically very poor last night see 'concrete' getting out muscled by Bobby Fecking Zamora! there seems no belief in what we are doing which isn't surprising as we have tried to play the same way for the last 2 years and losing more often than not.
In the Times today Cascarino actually hit the nail on the head when commenting that Lambert's comments on Lamella's rabona was that it was the keeper's fault and gave no credit for the goal. He sees no flair and sets his team up to be cautious first. He is dour and his team reflects his personality.
Hard to disagree.
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We are limp and ineffective. Physically very poor last night see 'concrete' getting out muscled by Bobby Fecking Zamora! there seems no belief in what we are doing which isn't surprising as we have tried to play the same way for the last 2 years and losing more often than not.
In the Times today Cascarino actually hit the nail on the head when commenting that Lambert's comments on Lamella's rabona was that it was the keeper's fault and gave no credit for the goal. He sees no flair and sets his team up to be cautious first. He is dour and his team reflects his personality.
Hard to disagree.
Agree with PL re the Rabona. Fail to see what the hype was about
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Vlaar did not get out-muscled by Zamora at any time in the game :( The goal came from it bouncing off his chest as he was not going anywhere-a bit like the ball. Clark was the one at fault for leaving a big gap between himself and Austin. It was however a well taken but fortunate goal.
I expected a defeat but was actually surprised to see some good performances. Sanchez and Cleverley were very good and bossed the middle. Matt made a good replacement for Hutton. If the crossing had been better and Benteke had a few more games under his belt we would have won that game in a canter.
For me the weakness is Gabby and Weimann. For all their huff, its mostly puff. Buy two high class midfield attackers to replace them and we will do a lot better.
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Lose that and he should go.
That's what most of us said against palace at home last season
If we go down this season , the depressing thing is , he will be still manager.
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We are limp and ineffective. Physically very poor last night see 'concrete' getting out muscled by Bobby Fecking Zamora! there seems no belief in what we are doing which isn't surprising as we have tried to play the same way for the last 2 years and losing more often than not.
In the Times today Cascarino actually hit the nail on the head when commenting that Lambert's comments on Lamella's rabona was that it was the keeper's fault and gave no credit for the goal. He sees no flair and sets his team up to be cautious first. He is dour and his team reflects his personality.
Hard to disagree.
Agree with PL re the Rabona. Fail to see what the hype was about
I think the lack of acknowledgement for any flair is the issue. Lambert would suck the life out of any party going.
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Vlaar did not get out-muscled by Zamora at any time in the game :( The goal came from it bouncing off his chest as he was not going anywhere-a bit like the ball. Clark was the one at fault for leaving a big gap between himself and Austin. It was however a well taken but fortunate goal.
I expected a defeat but was actually surprised to see some good performances. Sanchez and Cleverley were very good and bossed the middle. Matt made a good replacement for Hutton. If the crossing had been better and Benteke had a few more games under his belt we would have won that game in a canter.
For me the weakness is Gabby and Weimann. For all their huff, its mostly puff. Buy two high class midfield attackers to replace them and we will do a lot better.
Couldn't disagree more.
Zamora just eased Vlaar out. It was fucking diabolical defending.
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Vlaar did not get out-muscled by Zamora at any time in the game :( The goal came from it bouncing off his chest as he was not going anywhere-a bit like the ball. Clark was the one at fault for leaving a big gap between himself and Austin. It was however a well taken but fortunate goal.
I expected a defeat but was actually surprised to see some good performances. Sanchez and Cleverley were very good and bossed the middle. Matt made a good replacement for Hutton. If the crossing had been better and Benteke had a few more games under his belt we would have won that game in a canter.
For me the weakness is Gabby and Weimann. For all their huff, its mostly puff. Buy two high class midfield attackers to replace them and we will do a lot better.
Couldn't disagree more.
Zamora just eased Vlaar out. It was fucking diabolical defending.
Yes, he was poor most of the game and Clark shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the pitch at either end.
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Vlaar did not get out-muscled by Zamora at any time in the game :( The goal came from it bouncing off his chest as he was not going anywhere-a bit like the ball. Clark was the one at fault for leaving a big gap between himself and Austin. It was however a well taken but fortunate goal.
I expected a defeat but was actually surprised to see some good performances. Sanchez and Cleverley were very good and bossed the middle. Matt made a good replacement for Hutton. If the crossing had been better and Benteke had a few more games under his belt we would have won that game in a canter.
For me the weakness is Gabby and Weimann. For all their huff, its mostly puff. Buy two high class midfield attackers to replace them and we will do a lot better.
Couldn't disagree more.
Zamora just eased Vlaar out. It was fucking diabolical defending.
It was indeed shocking defending of the highest order.
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We didn't play well last night but neither did we play particularly badly. The problem is after the run we have had this was supposed to where things changed.
We had plenty of the ball and a number of shots on target but for the most part looked laboured. Although it was a smart finish it was a poor first goal from our point of view. Zamora is a big bloke so it is inevitable he is going to win his fair share, what you have to do is anticipate and block the second ball but he had acres to steady himself and pick his spot. You can't help but think Senderos would have been alive to it. After that they could put 10 men behind the ball and frustrate us. Then Sanchez makes a complete pig's ear of a ten yard pass and they score another goal - yes he might have been tired but then doesn't begin to explain such a poor effort.
I agree with this. Up to the first goal we looked tidy and in control. Lots of neat passing and a few sorties into their box. Contrary to most others opinion (it seems) I thought Westwood looked very good in this period and Weiman very busy.
Their goal came from nowhere and after that they played deep. The disappointing thing is we just didn't have the guile to break them down. Benteke was anonymous. Their second goal was a bad mistake and, to be fair, superbly executed.
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I just get the feeling that we're really going to tank somebody about 6 or 7 nil soon. You can see it coming.
I don't know about that but I can see QPR getting hammered one of these weeks. I thought they were awful.
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Vlaar was not great but the first goal was down to Clark, Zamora had his back to goal and did not score, he gave the ball to his team mate in acres of space as Clark, inexplicably had run away like a school girl being menaced by a tramp.
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I just get the feeling that we're really going to tank somebody about 6 or 7 nil soon. You can see it coming.
I don't know about that but I can see QPR getting hammered one of these weeks. I thought they were awful.
This is what makes last night all the worse. QPR are fucking dire. Absolutely shite and thankfully the wankers will be relegated and we won't have to stump up the best part of £50 for their poxy little shit hole of a ground a stand in their "Gold" seats.
Any half capable side would have battered them. In fact, any of the sides in the top six of the Championship would have twatted them. They will get bummed silly in their next two games as well.
But what do we do? Domiante possession for the first time in however long and spend the best part of the game scratching our heads as to what we actually do with it.
Gabby when played up front is too far from Benteke
Weimann, when supposed to be playing wide, drifts in
Cleverley is inexplicably shunted wide
The full backs, especially Lowton, refused to take the full back on and opted for the early cross
Westwood is far too slow in moving the ball on
We play with no width and when chasing the game make subs that make us narrower
What do we plan at Bodymoor Heath?
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Vlaar did not get out-muscled by Zamora at any time in the game :( The goal came from it bouncing off his chest as he was not going anywhere-a bit like the ball. Clark was the one at fault for leaving a big gap between himself and Austin. It was however a well taken but fortunate goal.
I expected a defeat but was actually surprised to see some good performances. Sanchez and Cleverley were very good and bossed the middle. Matt made a good replacement for Hutton. If the crossing had been better and Benteke had a few more games under his belt we would have won that game in a canter.
For me the weakness is Gabby and Weimann. For all their huff, its mostly puff. Buy two high class midfield attackers to replace them and we will do a lot better.
Every time Gabby and Weimann got the ball they were clattered by a QPR player (both ended up limping) and they wimped out and did not take them on.
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Vlaar was not great but the first goal was down to Clark, Zamora had his back to goal and did not score, he gave the ball to his team mate in acres of space as Clark, inexplicably had run away like a school girl being menaced by a tramp.
The pressure on Austin should have come from Westwood, but the goal comes because Bobby fucking Zamora, without having to get off the ground, eases "World Cup Legend" Ron Vlaar out, far, far too easily. Vlaar should have been lynched.
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Vlaar did not get out-muscled by Zamora at any time in the game :( The goal came from it bouncing off his chest as he was not going anywhere-a bit like the ball. Clark was the one at fault for leaving a big gap between himself and Austin. It was however a well taken but fortunate goal.
I expected a defeat but was actually surprised to see some good performances. Sanchez and Cleverley were very good and bossed the middle. Matt made a good replacement for Hutton. If the crossing had been better and Benteke had a few more games under his belt we would have won that game in a canter.
For me the weakness is Gabby and Weimann. For all their huff, its mostly puff. Buy two high class midfield attackers to replace them and we will do a lot better.
Couldn't disagree more.
Zamora just eased Vlaar out. It was fucking diabolical defending.
It was indeed shocking defending of the highest order.
It's tthis sort of thing which is why I think Vlaar is largely overrated by a lot of our fans. I think he's mediocre, which sadly makes him one of our better players but not really a very good one.
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I just get the feeling that we're really going to tank somebody about 6 or 7 nil soon. You can see it coming.
I don't know about that but I can see QPR getting hammered one of these weeks. I thought they were awful.
The full backs, especially Lowton, refused to take the full back on and opted for the early cross
Westwood is far too slow in moving the ball on
About three or four times in the first half, Lowton had acres of space to run into and decided to cross early, a few of which just hit their full back.
Westwood for me is our weak link. Sanchez could do his job eventually and he'll do it better.
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We didn't play well last night but neither did we play particularly badly. The problem is after the run we have had this was supposed to where things changed.
We had plenty of the ball and a number of shots on target but for the most part looked laboured. Although it was a smart finish it was a poor first goal from our point of view. Zamora is a big bloke so it is inevitable he is going to win his fair share, what you have to do is anticipate and block the second ball but he had acres to steady himself and pick his spot. You can't help but think Senderos would have been alive to it. After that they could put 10 men behind the ball and frustrate us. Then Sanchez makes a complete pig's ear of a ten yard pass and they score another goal - yes he might have been tired but then doesn't begin to explain such a poor effort.
I agree with this. Up to the first goal we looked tidy and in control. Lots of neat passing and a few sorties into their box. Contrary to most others opinion (it seems) I thought Westwood looked very good in this period and Weiman very busy.
Their goal came from nowhere and after that they played deep. The disappointing thing is we just didn't have the guile to break them down. Benteke was anonymous. Their second goal was a bad mistake and, to be fair, superbly executed.
I too thought both Westwood and in particular Sanchez looked very good up to around the 64th minute. But everybody up front was ineffective. Weimann tries hard with limited skills. Gabby has his new four year contract so he is happy and Benteke should be putting himself about but he didnt . We are,just like last season,in big trouble. But at least Lamberts had a shave. Perhaps he can get rid of those glasses and get last seasons pair back on. At least they suited him.
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Agreed, I thought Sanchez, mistake apart, looked head and shoulders above Westwood. He moves the ball quicker and is physically a lot more capable of covering the back four. It gives us a platform, but then there is so little in front of him, that we struggle.
Why shunt Cleverely out wide? Why not play Gabby or Bacuna, or Grealish or N'Zogbia? Players with pace and who can do something in that position? Especially when it means you sacrifice a player who can move the ball on quickly in midfield for Westwood who cannot.
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Vlaar was not great but the first goal was down to Clark, Zamora had his back to goal and did not score, he gave the ball to his team mate in acres of space as Clark, inexplicably had run away like a school girl being menaced by a tramp.
The pressure on Austin should have come from Westwood, but the goal comes because Bobby fucking Zamora, without having to get off the ground, eases "World Cup Legend" Ron Vlaar out, far, far too easily. Vlaar should have been lynched.
Watch the replay, Zamora does not score.
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Vlaar was not great but the first goal was down to Clark, Zamora had his back to goal and did not score, he gave the ball to his team mate in acres of space as Clark, inexplicably had run away like a school girl being menaced by a tramp.
The pressure on Austin should have come from Westwood, but the goal comes because Bobby fucking Zamora, without having to get off the ground, eases "World Cup Legend" Ron Vlaar out, far, far too easily. Vlaar should have been lynched.
Watch the replay, Zamora does not score.
I watched it from 20 yards away.
Ron fucking blancmange Vlaar wants lynching, the useless fucking ******. To be eased out by a journeymen so easily was a disgrace. Vlaar could remonstrate with Westwood all he wants, but it was his job, as captain and "leader" to deal with the supply to Austin and cut out an aimless punt. He couldn't, the overrated twat.
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The love in for Sanchez? Our Sanchez? the one that set up their second goal and continued to pass to someone in a blue and white shirt? That Sanchez?
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Yes that Sanchez. He dropped a massive rick, but he looked very good, far more impressive than Westwood.
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The love in for Sanchez? Our Sanchez? the one that set up their second goal and continued to pass to someone in a blue and white shirt? That Sanchez?
He had been playing well until he gave the ball away 3 times in a row and they scored from the 3rd time.
Inexplicable.
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No Zamora does not score, but he is allowed to lay a ball back to a team mate who does score. But the point of my moan on Cardboard Ron, was the fact he was at least 20 to 30 yards to deep, Zamora is not blessed with pace, so Cardboard should have ensured as the World Cup Leg end that he is, to direct Clark and the other members of the defence to hold a higher line, if our back 4 have a problem with the pace of Zamora and Austin, God help us.
Lowton in the first 15 minutes had at least 3 chances to put a ball into the box and he could not beat the first defender, he is at best a championship defender, so we should be allright with him in the side next season then.
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The love in for Sanchez? Our Sanchez? the one that set up their second goal and continued to pass to someone in a blue and white shirt? That Sanchez?
He had a spell of about five minutes where he couldn't do anything right but that apart he was our best midfielder and possibly our best player.
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Yes that Sanchez. He dropped a massive rick, but he looked very good, far more impressive than Westwood.
Far more impressive than anybody on either side I felt.
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The love in for Sanchez? Our Sanchez? the one that set up their second goal and continued to pass to someone in a blue and white shirt? That Sanchez?
He had a spell of about five minutes where he couldn't do anything right but that apart he was our best midfielder and possibly our best player.
Agreed. He won more headers against Zamora than Vlaar did as well.
Vlaar needs Senderos to hold his hand physically.
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Yes Sanchez, who if we had a Manager who had half a football brain, would have seen from about 60 mins, he was blowing out of his arse and replaced him, who up to that point probably had more forward passes than any other Villa player, who also I would not mind betting won more headers than our whole back line put together in his area of concern the middle of the park, that Sanchez who made himself available more than any other player, to me last night before he was knackered the only thing I thought he needed to improve quickly was his tackling, for the rest he offered more from midfield than Cleverly and Westwood together, but dont worry Lamberk will train that out of him.
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Gary Neville pointed out at half-time that Westwood and Sanchez had clearly been told to help the defenders handle Zamora, and they managed it from set pieces, but that the goal came from open play and Westwood was caught out of position too far up the pitch. And he was right, you could even see Westwood look round slightly panicked at one stage.
Obviously Vlaar shouldn't have let Zamora win the ball, but Westwood - and Clark, who spends the whole time ball-watching and never seems to have any idea of where the opposition players are - were equally at fault.
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Agreed, I thought Sanchez, mistake apart, looked head and shoulders above Westwood. He moves the ball quicker and is physically a lot more capable of covering the back four. It gives us a platform, but then there is so little in front of him, that we struggle.
Why shunt Cleverely out wide? Why not play Gabby or Bacuna, or Grealish or N'Zogbia? Players with pace and who can do something in that position? Especially when it means you sacrifice a player who can move the ball on quickly in midfield for Westwood who cannot.
Agreed, Westwood is ok, but Sanchez, Cleverley and Delph are a class above imo, and the natural replacement for Delph's energy is Richardson, not Westwood. Jack would complete my midfield diamond and as soon as Kozak is back I'd have him up top with Benteke.
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Sanchez is just not ready for a full 90 minutes. For 5-10 minutes before his cock up he was looking dead on his feet. He was playing a few tired passes as he'd clearly run out of steam. For 60 minutes though he looked a class player. However it's also yet another indication of a clear problem that Lambert fails to identify. Countless times he doesn't act if someone clearly needs to come off, or a certain opposition player is murdering us down one side (Arfa at VP last season for example).
When he finally did make some changes, they were inevitably wrong.
I've no worries about Sanchez. In a month or two he'll be up to the rigors of this league I think. I bet he's never expended so much energy in an hour of football as he did in the first hour of last night.
Westwood and Cleverley are the ones that should be frustrating us. Neither is doing enough.
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I had no problem overall with the starting line up (other than Clark, he's not a centre half and i'm not that much of a Westwood fan) but as the game went on, QPR were that poor we could have afforded to take off a midfielder and play someone just behind or alongside Benteke to give their defence a few more problems. Instead he waited until the second goal went in to change it. That's why I don't think he'll ever hack it. He's tactically unaware.
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Cleverley isn't going to do anything when he is shunted wide.
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I had no problem overall with the starting line up (other than Clark, he's not a centre half and i'm not that much of a Westwood fan) but as the game went on, QPR were that poor we could have afforded to take off a midfielder and play someone just behind or alongside Benteke to give their defence a few more problems. Instead he waited until the second goal went in to change it. That's why I don't think he'll ever hack it. He's tactically unaware.
The subs were ready to come on before they scored the second so he didn't wait until the 2nd. He should have changed it 10 mins earlier though.
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Obviously Vlaar shouldn't have let Zamora win the ball, but Westwood - and Clark, who spends the whole time ball-watching and never seems to have any idea of where the opposition players are - were equally at fault.
Absolutely. Clark was a day late and a dollar short for the first goal, and if you watch the second again - what is he doing ? He doesn't go to help Sanchez, he doesn't move to block the cross, he's not marking anyone - he's just stood in no man's land.
Also, Vlaar looks a much better player when he's got Senderos or Baker to challenge for the first ball and he can pick the second man - he doesn't look so clever when he's the one doing the heavy lifting.
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We are limp and ineffective. Physically very poor last night see 'concrete' getting out muscled by Bobby Fecking Zamora! there seems no belief in what we are doing which isn't surprising as we have tried to play the same way for the last 2 years and losing more often than not.
In the Times today Cascarino actually hit the nail on the head when commenting that Lambert's comments on Lamella's rabona was that it was the keeper's fault and gave no credit for the goal. He sees no flair and sets his team up to be cautious first. He is dour and his team reflects his personality.
Hard to disagree.
Agree with PL re the Rabona. Fail to see what the hype was about
Me too.
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Sanchez is just not ready for a full 90 minutes. For 5-10 minutes before his cock up he was looking dead on his feet. He was playing a few tired passes as he'd clearly run out of steam. For 60 minutes though he looked a class player. However it's also yet another indication of a clear problem that Lambert fails to identify. Countless times he doesn't act if someone clearly needs to come off, or a certain opposition player is murdering us down one side (Arfa at VP last season for example).
When he finally did make some changes, they were inevitably wrong.
See I think Keane needs to take some blame as well, he should be telling to Lambert to make a change. Keane got plenty of praise for the first 4 games, he deserves some of the blame for the last 5.
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Yes that Sanchez. He dropped a massive rick, but he looked very good, far more impressive than Westwood.
It's a bizarre world that we live in when Ron Vlaar "wants lynching" for his "mistake" but Sanchez looked "very good" despite his.
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Yes that Sanchez. He dropped a massive rick, but he looked very good, far more impressive than Westwood.
It's a bizarre world that we live in when Ron Vlaar "wants lynching" for his "mistake" but Sanchez looked "very good" despite his.
Not really. If Sanchez had been plying his trade in this league for over two seasons, then he might not get cut as much slack. The fact is though, he was starting his second game, had played well and was shattered when he gave the ball away.
There is no need for the " " round mistake either.
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Cleverley isn't going to do anything when he is shunted wide.
That midfield three Lambert keeps on with just has no balance. No one really breaks forward. We had Sanchez doing his job, sat deep, very well and he kept getting the ball forward and showing urgency.
Further forward Westwood was his usual cumbersome self. Never moving the ball quick enough and rarely doing anything other than a sideways or backward pass. As you say, TC kept finding himself wide looking for the ball, but still not getting it in any positions where he could hurt people.
Sanchez was right. He's a player we need. Beyond him though, if we're gonna play a three, one of Westwood and TC has to be dropped because they're too similar. Tidy players. TC is the better of the two. I'm still not convinced Westwood is good enough.
A system change is needed though. We need someone who's going to play a number 10 role. Or alternatively we need to play a wider 4-3-3 and have our attackers providing width. Personally I'd opt for a 4-2-3-1. Play the Chelsea way. Often in matches Mourinho will instruct his fullbacks to not venture too far forward but stay back in support, and concentrate on defending. Granted his attack 4 up top are more than capable of creating by themselves, but I think it's something we have to adopt. Cissokho is good in defence but terrible going forward. Hutton is also not brilliant going forward, so one or both, should largely stay around the halfway line when we're going forward. But for that, we need width up top, which Lambert seems loath to use.
We can't keep using our fullbacks as our primary creative outlets though, because they're not good enough on the ball for that. I don't think Lowton or Cissokho put one decent ball in all game.
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Obviously Vlaar shouldn't have let Zamora win the ball, but Westwood - and Clark, who spends the whole time ball-watching and never seems to have any idea of where the opposition players are - were equally at fault.
Absolutely. Clark was a day late and a dollar short for the first goal, and if you watch the second again - what is he doing ? He doesn't go to help Sanchez, he doesn't move to block the cross, he's not marking anyone - he's just stood in no man's land.
Admittedly i'm already trying to block it out but I think Clark was where he should have been for the second, stopping an easy cross or pass into a massive empty area between the penalty spot and the edge of the area. Because we'd given the ball away we were short on numbers at the back.
I'll probably watch it back and see we had loads of players back now.
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Yes that Sanchez. He dropped a massive rick, but he looked very good, far more impressive than Westwood.
It's a bizarre world that we live in when Ron Vlaar "wants lynching" for his "mistake" but Sanchez looked "very good" despite his.
Not so much a bizarre world, as just maybe people's opinions. Besides, I thnk that was Sanchez's second full game in a new league. He was great apart from a couple of misplaced passes.
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I think what scares me is that, last night, we surrendered feebly to an awful team, and showed pretty much all our weaknesses, yet although it was pretty awful, we are actually capable of playing much worse than that.
Frightening.
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Yes that Sanchez. He dropped a massive rick, but he looked very good, far more impressive than Westwood.
It's a bizarre world that we live in when Ron Vlaar "wants lynching" for his "mistake" but Sanchez looked "very good" despite his.
Not so much a bizarre world, as just maybe people's opinions. Besides, I thnk that was Sanchez's second full game in a new league. He was great apart from a couple of misplaced passes.
True, but I think you're probably understating it by referring to a couple of misplaced passes - he basically gave them the second goal and looked absolutely terrified after that.
Good till that point, but that was a pretty spectacular fuck up.
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Yes that Sanchez. He dropped a massive rick, but he looked very good, far more impressive than Westwood.
It's a bizarre world that we live in when Ron Vlaar "wants lynching" for his "mistake" but Sanchez looked "very good" despite his.
Not so much a bizarre world, as just maybe people's opinions. Besides, I thnk that was Sanchez's second full game in a new league. He was great apart from a couple of misplaced passes.
It's also a long way from the half way line to the goal. As bad a rick as it was, the others didn't particularly cope well with it, and someone called Concrete, with two seasons at this level behind him, shouldn't have been getting bullied like he was last night.
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Yes that Sanchez. He dropped a massive rick, but he looked very good, far more impressive than Westwood.
It's a bizarre world that we live in when Ron Vlaar "wants lynching" for his "mistake" but Sanchez looked "very good" despite his.
Not so much a bizarre world, as just maybe people's opinions. Besides, I thnk that was Sanchez's second full game in a new league. He was great apart from a couple of misplaced passes.
I'm sorry, but you can't have such a dramatic over-reaction to Vlaar's error and then describe Sanchez as making "A couple of misplaced passes". He did look good in the first half, but was generally very poor for 20 minutes in the second and his key contribution to the game was to assist their second goal.
Vlaar was held-off by Zamora, but we're talking about a striker who was still outside of the box with his back-to-goal, with Vlaar still goal-side of him. The comments about him wanting lynching are bizarre. In my opinion, of course.
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I think what scares me is that, last night, we surrendered feebly to an awful team, and showed pretty much all our weaknesses, yet although it was pretty awful, we are actually capable of playing much worse than that.
Frightening.
I don't think we surrendered, we dominated the ball throughout, we just looked utterly clueless.
The players need to take responsibility, because the way we're set up just does not work. If I had been Gabby last night after the subs had been made which made us even more narrow, I would have took responsibility and thought "fuck this". I would have not sat withdrawn and central as instructed, I would have pulled as wide as possible and stretched QPR and got some width to it.
The manager keeps proving he is incapable of setting us up with a plan or a pattern to attack a side. Full bakcs taking early crosses, muddling slow ball through the middle does not work. Even our counter attacking is poor, as we invariable fail to utilise the space in behind.
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If Lambert really did instruct Gabby to play centrally behind Benteke, in an already congested midfield, then he wants sacking for that alone. Because it's fucking moronic.
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I think Westwood is decent, but he's caught between two roles at the minute. I think he should be setting the tempo for the side.
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Just caught up with the last few pages. I admire all the detailed analysis but let's face it, after over two years of record breaking ineptitude we need to sack the manager.
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Yes that Sanchez. He dropped a massive rick, but he looked very good, far more impressive than Westwood.
It's a bizarre world that we live in when Ron Vlaar "wants lynching" for his "mistake" but Sanchez looked "very good" despite his.
Not so much a bizarre world, as just maybe people's opinions. Besides, I thnk that was Sanchez's second full game in a new league. He was great apart from a couple of misplaced passes.
True, but I think you're probably understating it by referring to a couple of misplaced passes - he basically gave them the second goal and looked absolutely terrified after that.
Good till that point, but that was a pretty spectacular fuck up.
Yes it was, it was unfortunate and a shame really because he did looked decent other than that.
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Just caught up with the last few pages. I admire all the detailed analysis but let's face it, after over two years of record breaking ineptitude we need to sack the manager.
Agreed.
I just think we need to face up to the fact that he's had a decent run at it, but it just isn't working out.
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I think what scares me is that, last night, we surrendered feebly to an awful team, and showed pretty much all our weaknesses, yet although it was pretty awful, we are actually capable of playing much worse than that.
Frightening.
I don't think we surrendered, we dominated the ball throughout, we just looked utterly clueless.
The players need to take responsibility, because the way we're set up just does not work. If I had been Gabby last night after the subs had been made which made us even more narrow, I would have took responsibility and thought "fuck this". I would have not sat withdrawn and central as instructed, I would have pulled as wide as possible and stretched QPR and got some width to it.
The manager keeps proving he is incapable of setting us up with a plan or a pattern to attack a side. Full bakcs taking early crosses, muddling slow ball through the middle does not work. Even our counter attacking is poor, as we invariable fail to utilise the space in behind.
I remember last season against Everton. A game which was as easy for them as it was last week. We were typically clueless, and not even the way Everton played that day gave Lambert any inclination of how to try and improve us offensively. Basically what Everton did all day was completely open up the pitch. They played countless balls from one side of the pitch to the other to spread the play, often given the opposing winger or fullback acres of space to get at us. Baines had an absolute field day that game (as he did last week too).
We almost never ever spread the play like that. We constantly box ourselves in to whichever area we're in and all our width normally comes from fullbacks. Ironically last season we had a period playing with Bacuna as our fullback, who wasn't allowed nearly enough freedom going forward as he probably should have been. And nor did being so defensive minded as a side help him because obviously, he was a dogs dinner at defending. If you have attacking fullbacks who can't defend you have to set yourself up as an attacking side and you need a good holding player who can cover the gaps your fully's leave behind. We didn't do that with Luna and Bacuna and they often left acres of space as inevitably we didn't keep the ball long enough to get it to them in attacking areas.
This season we've given two defensive fullbacks more freedom to get forward and put all our creative hopes in them, but they don't have the delivery to go with it.
One thing that hasn't changed is how isolated we let our fullbacks get at times. As if we expect Cissokho to roast someone Bale style every time.
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but dont worry Lamberk will train that out of him.
Lamberk? Really? Are you 8 years old?
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If Lambert really did instruct Gabby to play centrally behind Benteke, in an already congested midfield, then he wants sacking for that alone. Because it's fucking moronic.
Gabby should have been running at their CB as pace is a weakness for them, i'm struggling to remember us doing it once. Lambert & Keane also decided that to turn things around we needed to bring on even less pace.
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If Lambert really did instruct Gabby to play centrally behind Benteke, in an already congested midfield, then he wants sacking for that alone. Because it's fucking moronic.
Gabby should have been running at their CB as pace is a weakness for them, i'm struggling to remember us doing it once. Lambert & Keane also decided that to turn things around we needed to bring on even less pace.
Agreed. Dunne only really had a not fully fit Benteke to worry about because apart from when we went two down, no-one else got in the box.
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Yes that Sanchez. He dropped a massive rick, but he looked very good, far more impressive than Westwood.
It's a bizarre world that we live in when Ron Vlaar "wants lynching" for his "mistake" but Sanchez looked "very good" despite his.
Not so much a bizarre world, as just maybe people's opinions. Besides, I thnk that was Sanchez's second full game in a new league. He was great apart from a couple of misplaced passes.
True, but I think you're probably understating it by referring to a couple of misplaced passes - he basically gave them the second goal and looked absolutely terrified after that.
Good till that point, but that was a pretty spectacular fuck up.
Yes it was, it was unfortunate and a shame really because he did looked decent other than that.
A good 5-10 minutes before the second you could see his legs were all but gone. As a manager if you see your midfield anchor out of steam and giving away 2-3 clearly very fatigued passes, then you've got to take action. The warning signs were there and he was very leaden footed from the hour mark. Richardson could have come in to sit for the last 30 minutes.
Sanchez will adapt to the pace though. But for the next month or two Lamberts got to ensure he's got an option ready and waiting to go on the bench, as it'll take a while for Carlos to be up to speed for 90 minutes. We do need to give him a run though. The sooner we build him up to Premiership fitness the better.
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If Lambert really did instruct Gabby to play centrally behind Benteke, in an already congested midfield, then he wants sacking for that alone. Because it's fucking moronic.
Gabby should have been running at their CB as pace is a weakness for them, i'm struggling to remember us doing it once. Lambert & Keane also decided that to turn things around we needed to bring on even less pace.
The substitutions were the most frustrating thing for me. We were crying out for some width and pace and with both N'Zogbia and Bacuna on the bench he decided to bring on Bent and Cole. I actually joked after about 60 minutes that would be his reaction if we conceded a 2nd, but couldn't actually believe it when he did.
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One thing I expected from last night was for Cleverley to get into the box more than he did. With two midfielders behind him, he could have afforded to.
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If Lambert really did instruct Gabby to play centrally behind Benteke, in an already congested midfield, then he wants sacking for that alone. Because it's fucking moronic.
Gabby should have been running at their CB as pace is a weakness for them, i'm struggling to remember us doing it once. Lambert & Keane also decided that to turn things around we needed to bring on even less pace.
The substitutions were the most frustrating thing for me. We were crying out for some width and pace and with both N'Zogbia and Bacuna on the bench he decided to bring on Bent and Cole. I actually joked after about 60 minutes that would be his reaction if we conceded a 2nd, but couldn't actually believe it when he did.
It was hardly surprising how congested we were in the middle that Cole and Benteke collided with each other in what was probably one of our best opportunities. Two players going for a free header 6 yard out. Unfortunately Joe Cole was surprisingly quick and just about got to it first.
That said, given Bentekes ring rust, I'm not sure he'd have buried the chance.
He took Westwood off as opposed to a clearly exhausted Sanchez as well.
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How did Lowton get on?
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One thing I expected from last night was for Cleverley to get into the box more than he did. With two midfielders behind him, he could have afforded to.
He would have had to make it through a wall of Gabby, Weimann and Benteke, all stood within 10 yards of each other.
But certainly, as Lambert has billed TC as a player capable of breaking in the box and scoring, we should be seeing that. Our midfield, as they have been since Lambert took over, seem largely afraid of the penalty area and very rarely venture into it.
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How did Lowton get on?
Gave the ball away a few times, failed to deliver any crosses and abused the away fans apparently. Standard performance then.
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How did Lowton get on?
Shambolic would be the polite way of saying it. Typical in defence, and disappointingly poor in attack. I don't think we'll see too much more of him at the club once Hutton is back and fit.
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Hutton and Senderos would have made a massive difference last night.
That is the strangest sentence I have typed in a while.
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I wonder if any of our midfielders apart from Cole got into their box from open play?
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Hutton and Senderos would have made a massive difference last night.
That is the strangest sentence I have typed in a while.
Agreed Ads.
On both points!
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I didn't see the match- from the comments on here I didn't need to. As a trivial aside, I've just realised that in my once a season visit to VP for the Hull match I've seen half of the goals Villa have scored this season- and we're going into November. Maybe I could se what odds I'd get for that to carry on into 2016.
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I think Vlaar is getting a disproportionate amount of criticism for the first goal. Yes it's bad goal to concede because it's from a long punt but Zamora may not be Thierry Henry but like Kevin Davies and Ivanhoe, he is very good with his back to goal and very difficult to get around in that sort of situation without the concession of a free kick right on the edge of the box. However, if his strike partner has moved to within two yards of him then you have to make sure you have defenders in place to smother the second ball and we didn't. To be fair to Austin, he has struck is shot in just about the only area where he could score from that position but we were not quick enough to react.
The second half was the problem for me, as many of us said last week - we employ a bunch of players who are so used to losing it barely seems to register with them anymore. I am now joining the folk who have lost faith in Gabby. I remember seeing an interview with Jamie Carragher not so long back where he mentioned that although Gabby would not get in many people's lists of the top 20 forwards in the league, if you ask centre halves who they least like playing against, he would be in the top 5. I have always been able to see that for myself but he is bothering them less and less now, seems unwilling or unable to use his primary assets and provides zero goal threat even when played centrally. There was a moment with about ten minutes left when Benteke received a diagonal pass on the right hand side of the box and only had one to aim at in the middle. Gabby was barely jogging towards the goal about thirty five yards out. He should be busting a gut to get in there and trying to take responsibility, as our most senior forward, to get us a goal and end this horrific, embarrassing drought. the losing mentality is so far ingrained we seem to have an inferiority complex about just about all opposition now. Senderos made a difference but he acts like a winner in a team full of losers.
If something could list out the various records that Lambert has broken while in charge, it really would make some incredible reading given that he is seemingly about as secure in his job as any manager in the league. I hope nobody in the media or wider football viewing public has the temerity to call Villa fans whingers or moaners because I don't think there is a set of fans in the country who would have stuck by this bullshit in the same way we have. But we can't buy a goal and the defence is back to its woeful best (only Newcastle have conceded more goals this calendar year by the way) so even the most optimistic of Villa fans must now see this as a recipe for relegation.
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I remember last season against Everton. A game which was as easy for them as it was last week. We were typically clueless, and not even the way Everton played that day gave Lambert any inclination of how to try and improve us offensively. Basically what Everton did all day was completely open up the pitch. They played countless balls from one side of the pitch to the other to spread the play, often given the opposing winger or fullback acres of space to get at us. Baines had an absolute field day that game (as he did last week too).
We almost never ever spread the play like that. We constantly box ourselves in to whichever area we're in and all our width normally comes from fullbacks. Ironically last season we had a period playing with Bacuna as our fullback, who wasn't allowed nearly enough freedom going forward as he probably should have been. And nor did being so defensive minded as a side help him because obviously, he was a dogs dinner at defending. If you have attacking fullbacks who can't defend you have to set yourself up as an attacking side and you need a good holding player who can cover the gaps your fully's leave behind. We didn't do that with Luna and Bacuna and they often left acres of space as inevitably we didn't keep the ball long enough to get it to them in attacking areas.
This season we've given two defensive fullbacks more freedom to get forward and put all our creative hopes in them, but they don't have the delivery to go with it.
One thing that hasn't changed is how isolated we let our fullbacks get at times. As if we expect Cissokho to roast someone Bale style every time.
I remember that, if I recall he played Tonev on the right of midfield to nulify Baines. It failed. Sadly and it is very sad that we have a manager who's creativity is based on full backs, hence his multiple dealings in the transfer market to find his perfect full backs to provide width.
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Darren Bent certainly has something in him, the contents of the local Greggs.
Paul Lambert spoke of his annoyance at both QPR goals in the 2-0 defeat at Loftus Road - and also called for his team to rediscover their finishing touch.
Lambert was frustrated with the defeat and the shutout - and equally exasperated at the manner of Charlie Austin's vital strikes.
He said: "I thought we started really well and had a lot of the ball.
"I thought we looked really threatening. It's the best we have started for a number of weeks.
"QPR scored with their first shot on goal. It was poor defending from us. You have to win it first and foremost and deal with the ball. The ball has travelled 60 yards. I don't think that should have happened.
"We should have dealt with it better. The lads know that.
"The second goal was really poor too.
"In terms of the general game, I couldn't fault that. I think that's the most we've had the ball possession wise but that's why I'm not really one for stats.
"The main stat is putting the ball in the net and keeping it out.
"I thought we defended poorly for the two goals and I think we've got to be more clinical in the last third of the pitch.
"The two goals were disappointing because we had most of the ball.
"Coming here I always knew it was going to be a tough game and I was pretty pleased with the way we had the ball and what we were doing with it.
"But we had to be more clinical in the final third of the pitch.
"I thought the two goals we lost were shocking especially when we were on top.
"I set the team out to go and attack and try and win the game. We had a lot of the ball and looked comfortable with it.
"To lose those goals, that's the thing that's probably given me the most disappointment."
Despite obvious frustration, Lambert has backed his team to bounce back.
He added: "They'll come out the traps on Sunday.
"The thing is I know we'll be alright in that department.
"When Christian Benteke gets up to speed and with Gabby Agbonlahor and Andi Weimann and Charles N'Zogbia and Darren Bent, there are guys there with goals in them. I think that will happen."
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'I'm not one for stats' and 'the main stat is about putting the ball in the net and keeping it out'. Yes but Paul you need to understand that all of those other stats are what lead to putting the ball in the net and keeping it out. It's staggering that he appears to have no awareness of this.
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That last line sums up why I don't think we'll ever see the best of the squad we have under Lambert. Yes there are goals in the squad but only if we start looking to make sensible tactical choices and making sure the players understand those. He shouldn't be thinking it will happen, he should be working with his scouts and coaching team to make sure it happens by knowing the weaknesses of the team we're playing and putting together a plan of how we can target that.
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'I'm not one for stats' and 'the main stat is about putting the ball in the net and keeping it out'. Yes but Paul you need to understand that all of those other stats are what lead to putting the ball in the net and keeping it out. It's staggering that he appears to have no awareness of this.
Yep. And even so the our putting it in the net and keeping it out stats are bloody atrocious too.
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'I'm not one for stats' and 'the main stat is about putting the ball in the net and keeping it out'. Yes but Paul you need to understand that all of those other stats are what lead to putting the ball in the net and keeping it out. It's staggering that he appears to have no awareness of this.
'The main stat is about putting the ball in the net and keeping it out'. Yep nailed it, because in both of those aspects of the game we are truly excelling at the moment aren't we Paul.
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Paul E was spot on earlier in regards to Dunne. He's arguably the slowest and one the the oldest centre halves in the Premiership and we didn't exploit it.
I was watching the Stripeyfilth v Man Utd game last week. Man Utd were a goal down at half time and RVP looked a bit lost up front on his own. They bring on Fellaini at the start of the second half, they play him more or less alongside RVP, he got them back in the game after 5 minutes and totally changed the game as well. Lambert would have waited til we'd gone two down to do something like that.
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I thought we were quite good up until the goal, after which we were headless and confused. 75% possession and you lose to a bunch of chancers. Did Dunne have a 'told you so' smirk in the latter part of the game? Went home early!
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Has anyone mentioned how utterly awful Westwood was last night?
Can't be arsed reading the whole thing.
I actually didn't think the performance was that bad. The game hinged on the first goal. They got it, against the run of play, from a punt up the pitch. They dug in and held on to it. Henry, Sandro, Dunne and Caulker were all solid enough to get behind the ball and defend the lead. The second goal was a mistake by Sanchez, who showed signs of ability throughout I thought, as well as Cleverley.
The concern is like someone mentioned, we're so used to losing it doesn't seem to hurt the players anymore.
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How does Grealish not even get on the bench? Presumably when Baker, Senderos, Hutton, Delph and Kozak are back fit he'll be even further down the pecking order.
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Trying to remember if Bent even touched the ball when he came on. I'm afraid he epitomises a lot of our problems at the moment. Past his best, on a nice cushy wage and little desire on the pitch
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Trying to remember if Bent even touched the ball when he came on. I'm afraid he epitomises a lot of our problems at the moment. Past his best, on a nice cushy wage and little desire on the pitch
6 touches in 20minutes - not great but not as bad as Gabby with 31 touches in 90minutes.
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Bent actually got close to Benteke, which is something Gabby and Andi are incapable of.
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Trying to remember if Bent even touched the ball when he came on. I'm afraid he epitomises a lot of our problems at the moment. Past his best, on a nice cushy wage and little desire on the pitch
6 touches in 20minutes - not great but not as bad as Gabby with 31 touches in 90minutes.
Wouldn't Bent end up with slightly less touches if you extrapolated that over a full game?
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Trying to remember if Bent even touched the ball when he came on. I'm afraid he epitomises a lot of our problems at the moment. Past his best, on a nice cushy wage and little desire on the pitch
6 touches in 20minutes - not great but not as bad as Gabby with 31 touches in 90minutes.
Which would extrapolate to 27 touches over the 90 minutes.
Is this what we have been reduced to, working out who played less crap than the crap.
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The difference being that we were pretty dominant in the first half where Gabby was still anonymous, by the time Bent came on we looked beaten, That's why i consider Gabby's effort worse, I should've qualified that though.
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Bent actually got close to Benteke, which is something Gabby and Andi are incapable of.
Bent is by definition going to be closer to Benteke, he's so enormous these days [/obligatory_fat_bent_joke]
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Trying to remember if Bent even touched the ball when he came on. I'm afraid he epitomises a lot of our problems at the moment. Past his best, on a nice cushy wage and little desire on the pitch
6 touches in 20minutes - not great but not as bad as Gabby with 31 touches in 90minutes.
Which would extrapolate to 27 touches over the 90 minutes.
Is this what we have been reduced to, working out who played less crap than the crap.
Honest answer. Yes, this is what we have been reduced to.
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Another defeat no goals scored again we are in a mess big style the best thing about the game was us fans who sang and backed the team it really is a shit ground.
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Trying to remember if Bent even touched the ball when he came on. I'm afraid he epitomises a lot of our problems at the moment. Past his best, on a nice cushy wage and little desire on the pitch
6 touches in 20minutes - not great but not as bad as Gabby with 31 touches in 90minutes.
Which would extrapolate to 27 touches over the 90 minutes.
Is this what we have been reduced to, working out who played less crap than the crap.
Honest answer. Yes, this is what we have been reduced to.
If we were all having this chat in a pub now, at this point we'd all be ruefully looking into our pints whilst sighing resignedly.
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Trying to remember if Bent even touched the ball when he came on. I'm afraid he epitomises a lot of our problems at the moment. Past his best, on a nice cushy wage and little desire on the pitch
6 touches in 20minutes - not great but not as bad as Gabby with 31 touches in 90minutes.
Which would extrapolate to 27 touches over the 90 minutes.
Is this what we have been reduced to, working out who played less crap than the crap.
Honest answer. Yes, this is what we have been reduced to.
If we were all having this chat in a pub now, at this point we'd all be ruefully looking into our pints whilst sighing resignedly.
anyone fancy another?
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Did you spill my pint?
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Whose round is it?
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Gabby was lively in the first 15mins until he was clattered... after that he was anonymous.
As for the crossing.... how many times did we hit the first player with an attempted ball into the box?
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Whose round is it?
Randy's
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Whos fatter, Bent, Gabby or Mick Quinn?
Answers on a postcard.
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Gabby was lively in the first 15mins until he was clattered... after that he was anonymous.
As for the crossing.... how many times did we hit the first player with an attempted ball into the box?
And when Lowton finally put in a quality cross, it was the first time we had a midfielder in the box and he got in the sodding way of Benteke. Sums our night up.
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Crisps please, but not meat flavoured because I don't abuse my body in the world I live in.
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How did Lowton get on?
Shambolic would be the polite way of saying it. Typical in defence, and disappointingly poor in attack. I don't think we'll see too much more of him at the club once Hutton is back and fit.
Oh dear
I was hoping he'd find his 'Best crosser of the ball at the club' tag and score a screamer.
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How did Lowton get on?
Shambolic would be the polite way of saying it. Typical in defence, and disappointingly poor in attack. I don't think we'll see too much more of him at the club once Hutton is back and fit.
Oh dear
I was hoping he'd find his 'Best crosser of the ball at the club' tag and score a screamer.
He actually looks like a little boy lost, as if he didn't really mean to find himself out on football pitch, has quickly donned a Villa strip over his Iron Maiden T shirt and has said he'll do his best. I hate footballers whose T shirts show under their strip..
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How did Lowton get on?
Shambolic would be the polite way of saying it. Typical in defence, and disappointingly poor in attack. I don't think we'll see too much more of him at the club once Hutton is back and fit.
Oh dear
I was hoping he'd find his 'Best crosser of the ball at the club' tag and score a screamer.
He got into some great positions after some good build up play and then failed to get the ball past the first defender. That happened at least twice before they scored. See also Cleverly twice in the space of 30 seconds.
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I thought Lowton was okay. Considering he was expected to be a full back and provide any width up the pitch too. That's quite a shift
No fucking idea what Gabby or Weimann's orders were
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I thought Lowton was okay. Considering he was expected to be a full back and provide any width up the pitch too. That's quite a shift
It's only okay if once you get in those positions you do something productive with the ball - which he failed to do until near the very end when Benteke and Cole went for the same ball.
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No fucking idea what Gabby or Weimann's orders were
I think Lambert confused them with his expressionless face and occasional arm waving and pointing.
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No fucking idea what Gabby or Weimann's orders were
I think Lambert confused them with his expressionless face and occasional arm waving and pointing.
Bring back bibs and cones.
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I have waited till now to say it. BUT LAMBERT MUST GO.
He has no idea tactically
1) Cleverlley has played really well since joining us, so WHY play him out wide.
2) What he does to left backs is beyond me. They all look great until he gets hold of them at Bodymoor Heath and destroys them !!! I give you Bertrand, Sisokkho, both looked great until Lambert coaches them.
3) Why does he persist with Gabby. He offers nothing but raw pace, but most times he checks back, if he can be arsed !! Gabby scored 4 goals all last season and has 2 this season. Christ he has more kids than goals !!!
4) If Joe Cole is the answer we may as well all pack up.
5) He holds loads of unwanted records that most managers would have been sacked for ages ago.
6) I pay hard earned money to watch them at home and quite a few times away, and all he offers is 'we go again'.
Well its getting to the point when I may not go again !!!!
The problem is I will always go, because I love the Villa, but I want to see some light at the end of the tunnel, with Lambert still here its just gunna be more gloom , desperation, ruined weekends.
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I thought Sanchez was different class, did very well apart from a couple of occasions where he gave the ball away cheaply, sadly getting the ultimate punishment for one of them
nothing else to say
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Does anyone actually think the players are playing for the manager now? I look at some of them and they just appear to be going through the motions. Fair enough they try and run around a lot but not with any purpose or direction. Half of them just look totally gormless to me at times.
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Not even November and we're out the league cup and the league campaign is in tatters. Sunday could be 4 or 5 nil loss easily.
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Not even November and we're out the league cup and the league campaign is in tatters. Sunday could be 4 or 5 nil loss easily.
League campaign in tatters? what exactly was our objective, to finish mid table? No, you are right, that is quite impossible to reach now.
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Not even November and we're out the league cup and the league campaign is in tatters. Sunday could be 4 or 5 nil loss easily.
League campaign in tatters? what exactly was our objective, to finish mid table? No, you are right, that is quite impossible to reach now.
This team says "relegation battle" all over it. Mid table suggests we'll be comfortable all season. Not a chance of that happening.
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I thought Sanchez was different class, did very well apart from a couple of occasions where he gave the ball away cheaply, sadly getting the ultimate punishment for one of them
nothing else to say
He did some really good things last night, but also looked capable of doing something atrocious at any given moment.
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Vlaar was not great but the first goal was down to Clark, Zamora had his back to goal and did not score, he gave the ball to his team mate in acres of space as Clark, inexplicably had run away like a school girl being menaced by a tramp.
The pressure on Austin should have come from Westwood, but the goal comes because Bobby fucking Zamora, without having to get off the ground, eases "World Cup Legend" Ron Vlaar out, far, far too easily. Vlaar should have been lynched.
Watch the replay, Zamora does not score.
I watched it from 20 yards away.
Ron fucking blancmange Vlaar wants lynching, the useless fucking c***. To be eased out by a journeymen so easily was a disgrace. Vlaar could remonstrate with Westwood all he wants, but it was his job, as captain and "leader" to deal with the supply to Austin and cut out an aimless punt. He couldn't, the overrated twat.
Get over yourself. Tell me what defender can stop an forward allowing the ball to hit his chest-Zamora didn't direct it-it could have gone anywhere as he was pressured by Vlaar!
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You know, I actually like Gabby and Weimann and what they are capable of doing, along with Benteke we've three very useful players.
The problem is that they have no idea of how to play together. None. There is no link-up play, not positional sense, no togetherness. They are all capable of good things but they don't seem to know what they are each doing.
Just look at what Zamora and Austin combined for their goal, we didn't have a sniff.
And don't get me started on the 'Vlaar drifting out to the right before hoofing a 60 yard cross-field long ball at Benteke to get on the end of with no fucker anywhere near close enough to pick it up' tactic. I call it a tactic only because for it to happen that often it must be.
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5) He holds loads of unwanted records that most managers would have been sacked for ages ago.
Oh my life, don't tell me he's into jazz as well? I can forgive Bradford but that's just one step too far.
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5) He holds loads of unwanted records that most managers would have been sacked for ages ago.
Oh my life, don't tell me he's into jazz as well? I can forgive Bradford but that's just one step too far.
Trad jazz, no doubt.
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I thought Sanchez was different class, did very well apart from a couple of occasions where he gave the ball away cheaply, sadly getting the ultimate punishment for one of them
nothing else to say
He did some really good things last night, but also looked capable of doing something atrocious at any given moment.
Which ultimately he did. It's going to take him 6 months to adjust to this league. Flashes of class coupled with a few smatterings of Sunday league pub player.
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Watching Cleverley, and it's something I haven't noticed before he had a bizarre way of trying to cross the ball. Its something I've only seen once before. instead of using his arms for balance to ensure timing when trying to cross the ball, he used his head. His head would dip, just as if playing Striker from a few years ago, rather than relying on his arms for balance. its why twice in the first half the ball didn't get off the ground and why hos closes were never a danger. I certainly hope that's not his usual way of trying to cross as is a huge technical flaw and something that should only be seen at pub team level.
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I only saw the second half but aren't people being a bit too kind to Sanchez? We've got some folks wanting to lynch Vlaar or Clark or Westwood for the first goal but the one thing that is not in dispute is the second goal was entirely Sanchez's fault. Never mind six months we need players who are at least competent now.
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Well he gave the ball away on half way. for that to end up being 2-0 means one or 2 more can be looked at. he certainly didn't help but he was the best player on the pitch until a couple of minutes madness.
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I only saw the second half but aren't people being a bit too kind to Sanchez? We've got some folks wanting to lynch Vlaar or Clark or Westwood for the first goal but the one thing that is not in dispute is the second goal was entirely Sanchez's fault. Never mind six months we need players who are at least competent now.
Completely disagree. Yes he made the mistake for the 2nd but was head and shoulders our best player on the night. It was no surprise that all the QPR fans in the office were saying they wished they had him and all said he pretty much ran the game.
My biggest gripe with last night was Gabby and Weimann. Neither has the technical capability to play in a 4-3-3 or as someone else said lack the nous or game awareness to realise how to work as a unit with Benteke is woeful. Then again that's Lamberts fault for continuing with something that's been shown to fail again and again and again.....
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I was still shaken and angry this morning when I boarded the car at 6am for work so I decided to listen to talksport Alan Brazil and the rugby player who's name escapes me . They had Emile H on the phone and later Andy gray from Doha. Both were fairly scathing , Brazil was his usual erratic patchy self. What I found odd was not one person mentioned lambert and his job security . Odd.