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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on September 27, 2014, 04:40:44 PM
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Post away.
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Meh. Those fucking chav twats are miles better than us. This is the Modern World.
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Garbage
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Predictable.
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Totally expected. Get the next one out the way and then see where we go from there.
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I decided to miss this one, glad I did.
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Commentators taking the piss about our consistent lack of goal efforts or shots on target is all getting a bit monotonous.
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I hate this league sometimes. What the fuck can you do? The odd anomaly aside its mostly can happen this way against the top sides, and it's only going to get worse in the coming years as they'll continue to get round FFP.
I expect the same next week. We'll be easily outclassed and City won't break sweat. Roll on November. Hopefully with some semblance of our confidence in tact.
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Whatever.
Just get done with this ridiculous run of fixtures without too many lingering mental bruises and Benteke back to full strength and I'll take it.
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Our start gave us the platform, the Liverpool result was a bonus. Our defence really is quite good overall, and being beaten by sides like Arsenal and Chelsea (and, if it happens, Man City) really isn't the end of the universe.
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Men against boys.
We aimed to frustrate, they enjoyed walk in the park never having to really step it up a gear.
Not too disheartened, our midfield showed signs they can link up well, they just need to create more attacking threat now.
Chelsea are a cracking team, every player can control the ball with ease and their movement is very good. It will be between them and Manchester as to who wins the league.
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What is the point of Joe Cole?
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Better and worse things have happened.
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To those people saying we should have given it more of a go, i'd say it's even more of a risk in this current run of fixtures. Lose more heavily than we did today and it makes the next couple of games even harder. The game plan was pretty lame but what are we going to do? Try and dominate Chelsea?
At the start of the second half we started to get a bit more possession. If we'd done better with our set pieces we might have got back into it, but we left ourselves a bit more open and the second goal killed us.
They are in a different class to us, it makes me hate football but it doesn't make me too disappointed with our performance.
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This is an outstanding Chelsea team. Azpelicuita ran the match and we didn't man mark him but the problem is who do you stopin team containing Fabregas, Hazard, Willians etc etc
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Men against boys.
We aimed to frustrate, they enjoyed walk in the park never having to really step it up a gear.
Not too disheartened, our midfield showed signs they can link up well, they just need to create more attacking threat now.
Chelsea are a cracking team, every player can control the ball with ease and their movement is very good. It will be between them and Manchester as to who wins the league.
Its obvious that the title will be won by either Man City or Chelsea. That is before September is finished!
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Only injuries will stop this Chavski side strolling to the title. They look miles better than anyone else in the league, and that includes Citeh.
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Frankly, it's obvious that Chelsea will win the title. City are often unimpressive against the kind of teams (I hate to say it, but the likes of us) which Chelsea swat away easily.
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oh well only another 4 years of lamberts shite tactics
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Fuck Chelsea. Fuck them right in the ear.
One day, when there's some sense back in the game and tosser clubs like these lot are playing in their own little gilded league, we'll all breathe a sigh of relief that we don't write off an entire month of fixtures. But until that day, here's a shrug of the shoulders.
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Expected, and frankly couldn't care less. Game out the way. We are not in the same division as Chelsea realistically. The cartel at the top won't be breached unless things change massively, so these games are like the bonus round, you know we will lose 95 times out of 100, but lets have a go and see if we can nick a point or two.
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Beaten by one of the only 2 teams that stand a chance of winning the Premier League this season. No disgrace, move on.
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Villas starting 11 today cost £14m
Chelseas starting 11 cost £190m.
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Pleasantly surprised and the pragmatism on the thread today.
We go again.
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Men against boys.
We aimed to frustrate, they enjoyed walk in the park never having to really step it up a gear.
Not too disheartened, our midfield showed signs they can link up well, they just need to create more attacking threat now.
Chelsea are a cracking team, every player can control the ball with ease and their movement is very good. It will be between them and Manchester as to who wins the league.
Its obvious that the title will be won by either Man City or Chelsea. That is before September is finished!
Bought by....please!
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Frankly, it's obvious that Chelsea will win the title. City are often unimpressive against the kind of teams (I hate to say it, but the likes of us) which Chelsea swat away easily.
But then Man City don't normally need to be that impressive against us to still walk away with a 4-0 or 5-0 win.
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Just can't believe we lost this game, should have been an easy 3 points
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It is a bit like Scotland at the minute, where 2 sides are just streets better than the rest, although Arsenal are a passing resemblance to decent much of the time. The rest are poor at the moment.
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Frankly, it's obvious that Chelsea will win the title. City are often unimpressive against the kind of teams (I hate to say it, but the likes of us) which Chelsea swat away easily.
But then Man City don't normally need to be that impressive against us to still walk away with a 4-0 or 5-0 win.
But they've already lost at home to Stoke and they were fortunate today. I just feel they're more likely to have one shocker every five or six games or so.
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Commentators taking the piss about our consistent lack of goal efforts or shots on target is all getting a bit monotonous.
Monotonous it may be, but it's piss poor.
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What is the point of Joe Cole?
Maybe he's a good un in the dressing room?
I don't know but does it matter?
Anyway we don't have to hold our heads in shame. The gulf of class in this division is getting so big it's getting silly. We look good at the back still and our midfield is ok too, once Benteke is fit we might just have that bit of class to surprise a team like Chelsea.
We'll be alright this season.
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I really can't wait till Benteke comes back. Our other attacking players just aren't up to it at this level.
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Frankly, it's obvious that Chelsea will win the title. City are often unimpressive against the kind of teams (I hate to say it, but the likes of us) which Chelsea swat away easily.
But then Man City don't normally need to be that impressive against us to still walk away with a 4-0 or 5-0 win.
But they've already lost at home to Stoke and they were fortunate today. I just feel they're more likely to have one shocker every five or six games or so.
Citeh at home is very different to Chavski away. They scored 3 at VP once since that David White game.
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Expected to lose. Still disappointed we conceded three though and didn't create one chance all game.
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This is an outstanding Chelsea team. Azpelicuita ran the match and we didn't man mark him but the problem is who do you stopin team containing Fabregas, Hazard, Willians etc etc
It would be great if we could say this is an outstanding Chelsea team that has been built on the back of sporting integrity and a genuine long term process of gradual, carefully considered, squad building. If there was genuine skill and genius behind it all I would be the first to take my cap off.
The fact that this team has been assembled on the back of over a billion quid's worth of financial doping this past decade makes it all very hard for me to admire - impossible, even. This is my least favourite fixture of the season because it simply underlines how utterly ridiculous the current Premier League model is. Just what is so difficult/wrong about bringing in a wage and salary cap for all clubs to stop the effects of financial doping? Level the playing field, Scudamore, and make this a genuine competition! (Rant over.)
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oh well only another 4 years of lamberts shite tactics
Bollocks. Do you really think it's only about tactics?
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Expected to lose. Still disappointed we conceded three though and didn't create one chance all game.
Delph had a couple of efforts, Sissokho also wasn't far off scoring. Not exactly the most clear cut of chances, but not the easiest of teams to produce against.
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Time for spending limits and foreign player quotas, please. Otherwise, football can just fuck off.
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Expected to lose. Still disappointed we conceded three though and didn't create one chance all game.
Delph had a couple of efforts, Sissokho also wasn't far off scoring. Not exactly the most clear cut of chances, but not the easiest of teams to produce against.
He plays for the barcodes :P
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oh well only another 4 years of lamberts shite tactics
Bollocks. Do you really think it's only about tactics?
I like to think the current tactic is just temporary.
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Meh.
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Chelsea are the best team in the league and Mou has one of the best home records of any top flight manager, ever. So I don't feel that bad but I do hope these back to back losses don't impact the teams pretty fragile morale.
I am curious about Okore.
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Two 3-0 losses in a row surely next week won't be the same?
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No point getting too upset.
Chelsea are a very good team and will waltz past better teams than us.
It is nice to win at Anfield but it isn't fixtures like this which will tell us if we are getting better, it is games against the likes of Stoke, Leicester, Palace, the sort of games we lost home and away last season, which will tell us that.
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Poor today with our delivery. Westwoods set pieces and the crossing from the full backs was way off. We played a lot of balls into Gabby that were really ineffectual, especially with Cahill and Terry being physical types; ideal balls for Benteke, who we are missing badly still.
There were spells where we actually played the ball through midfield.
Guzan played two of the balls straight back to them and Baker gave Costa a yard and that was that. They're very strong at home and as well they should be considering they've just spent £90 million on top of the likes of Oscar and Hazard etc.
They're still utter Tarquins and I doubt any them had a clue who that old boy was they paraded at half time.
Edit: if a Villa player had been booked, like Fabregas and then tackled somebody from behind, would they avoid a second booking?
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Time for spending limits and foreign player quotas, please. Otherwise, football can just fuck off.
Wont that just make things worse? That means clubs who buy their way to success (like everyone) will buy up a very limited resource (good british players) and less rich clubs will then be unable to buy up decent foreign players to help close the gap.
Also the quality of the league will go down if we start using more British players leading to a decline in the leagues European performances.
Fixed spending limits though, I agree. That would be helpful in leveling the playing field. Unlike FPP which makes things much worse.
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Predictable, turgid, shitness and lack of ambition that have become the hallmarks of this managers regime.
I don't expect us to beat Chelsea away but god give them a feckin game at least.
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Let's Face it it's an improvement on 8
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Two 3-0 losses in a row surely next week won't be the same?
Why?
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Predictable, turgid, shitness and lack of ambition that have become the hallmarks of this managers regime.
I don't expect us to beat Chelsea away but god give them a feckin game at least.
I agree with the 2nd bit. We gave them a game last season and still lost. Difference was a fully fit Benteke and a goal threat. Any attempt at that kind of approach today would have resulted in a severe pasting. Unfortunate, but there it is.
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So Chelsea got their revenge. It's probably our most difficult fixture and it's out of the way now.
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Good to see Stan as well today.
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Didn't watch and clean forgot to even check the score until now.
To mix things up with another sporting event going on today, 3-0 is par for the course and probably the most predictable result of the day.
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Two 3-0 losses in a row surely next week won't be the same?
Why?
It'll be at least 4-0
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Well fairly expected, I just hope after the next couple of results don't damage us too much.
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It's all well and good being pragmatic about being stuffed by one of the big boys again, but fucking hell, it doesn't mean we have to just accept it as our lot.
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Two games in a row where we've effectively given up as soon as we've gone behind. We're just far too negative and have been all season.
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Two games in a row where we've effectively given up as soon as we've gone behind. We're just far too negative and have been all season.
To be fair it being 0-3 down in 4 minutes takes the wind out of most team's sails I would have thought?
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It is good to see them trying to play it from the back and they are all working hard. But you have to offer more of a threat or eventually you're picked off. Gabby can't do much on his own, they need Benteke and they need to do more with set pieces - nick a goal and the dynamic of the game changes.
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It's all well and good being pragmatic about being stuffed by one of the big boys again, but fucking hell, it doesn't mean we have to just accept it as our lot.
I don't think anyone accepts it as our lot, especially considering some of our results against the 'top' clubs. But considering the depressing gulf between us and Chavski it isn't the end of the world to be well beaten. It's not being defeatist, just realistic. They are a lot better than us and they beat us.
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Two games in a row where we've effectively given up as soon as we've gone behind. We're just far too negative and have been all season.
To be fair it being 0-3 down in 4 minutes takes the wind out of most team's sails I would have thought?
But Hull were 2 down today after 10 minutes. Yes they did lose, but at least they came back and made a fight of it. Our attacking statistics are frighteningly bad and, if we had these stats under McLeish then people would be apoplectic - there just seems a resignation about accepting defeat at the moment.
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Easy hits though. Our main striker and his back up are still out injured.
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Granted our losses are to Arsenal and Chelsea, but we really need to address our lack of creativity.
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Fairly pleased. Jesus.
Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert came away “fairly pleased” from Stamford Bridge in spite of the 3-0 defeat to Chelsea.
Goals from Oscar, Diego Costa and Willian saw the Blues ease to victory but Lambert was still satisfied with his side’s effort.
“I thought we gave a good account. We looked comfortable,” the Scot said.
“To come here to play a club like this and play the way we did you have to be satisfied.”
Villa created little throughout with only one effort on target as they put men behind the ball in an attempt to stifle Chelsea - and Lambert admitted the visitors needed to take the few opportunities that came their way.
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We created plenty v Hull.
As much as they're horrible, Chelsea are comfortably the best all round team in this league and will win it comfortably.
I criticised lambert last season for our ability to go on losing streaks after great wins but I think we've been unlucky with the two games following Liverpool, last week was a write off and well hardly anyone will pick up a result at Chelsea so it's hardly points dropped.
Hopefully we can nick points v Man. City and Everton as four straight defeats would be disappointing.
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Fairly pleased. Jesus.
Aston Villa boss Paul Lambert came away “fairly pleased” from Stamford Bridge in spite of the 3-0 defeat to Chelsea.
Goals from Oscar, Diego Costa and Willian saw the Blues ease to victory but Lambert was still satisfied with his side’s effort.
“I thought we gave a good account. We looked comfortable,” the Scot said.
“To come here to play a club like this and play the way we did you have to be satisfied.”
Villa created little throughout with only one effort on target as they put men behind the ball in an attempt to stifle Chelsea - and Lambert admitted the visitors needed to take the few opportunities that came their way.
I'm sorry but it's these sort of comments from Lambert that just aren't great PR. We barely created anything(again) and we lost 3-0, that shouldn't be comfortable in anyone's language.
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Granted our losses are to Arsenal and Chelsea, but we really need to address our lack of creativity.
Hard to make a judgement though when our last 3 games have been Liverpool, Arsenal and Chavski and the last 2 came after the players, and I assume training last week, were fecked up with that virus.
I'll be more worried if we are up to speed, and have Benteke in the side, and are still creating smeg all in a month or two.
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By now we know that's how Lambert is, he isn't the type to give much criticism in public. I hope he does in the dressing room though when required. From what i've heard, and especially with Keane there now, I think he does.
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Granted our losses are to Arsenal and Chelsea, but we really need to address our lack of creativity.
Hard to make a judgement though when our last 3 games have been Liverpool, Arsenal and Chavski and the last 2 came after the players, and I assume training last week, were fecked up with that virus.
I'll be more worried if we are up to speed, and have Benteke in the side, and are still creating smeg all in a month or two.
We created plenty v Hull and a decent amount at Stoke, I'm not too concerned about that at present especially as Benteke's imminent return will give us another good option as he can create stuff on his own.
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How utterly depressing to be 'comfortable' in a 3-0 defeat. What a shithouse football has become.
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Granted our losses are to Arsenal and Chelsea, but we really need to address our lack of creativity.
Hard to make a judgement though when our last 3 games have been Liverpool, Arsenal and Chavski and the last 2 came after the players, and I assume training last week, were fecked up with that virus.
I'll be more worried if we are up to speed, and have Benteke in the side, and are still creating smeg all in a month or two.
In fairness our wins were all built on defensive solidity, we weren't creating many chances we were just taking those we created. I hope Benteke being back makes a difference, but we still need to create chances for him.
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Time for spending limits and foreign player quotas, please. Otherwise, football can just fuck off.
Wont that just make things worse? That means clubs who buy their way to success (like everyone) will buy up a very limited resource (good british players) and less rich clubs will then be unable to buy up decent foreign players to help close the gap.
Also the quality of the league will go down if we start using more British players leading to a decline in the leagues European performances.
Fixed spending limits though, I agree. That would be helpful in leveling the playing field. Unlike FPP which makes things much worse.
No, because simply put, the best English players aren't much better than your average English player.
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Time for spending limits and foreign player quotas, please. Otherwise, football can just fuck off.
Wont that just make things worse? That means clubs who buy their way to success (like everyone) will buy up a very limited resource (good british players) and less rich clubs will then be unable to buy up decent foreign players to help close the gap.
Also the quality of the league will go down if we start using more British players leading to a decline in the leagues European performances.
Fixed spending limits though, I agree. That would be helpful in leveling the playing field. Unlike FPP which makes things much worse.
No, because simply put, the best English players aren't much better than your average English player.
Overnight Nathan Baker would become one of the top CH in the league!
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I don't expect him to criticise the team that lost to Chelsea
But I don't expect him to be 'fairly pleased' with a 3 nill loss either
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Sounds a tad better when in context.
Paul Lambert was far from frustrated at the manner of his team's performance in the defeat to Chelsea.
Lambert said post-match that he believed his players were "well in the game for long periods".
He felt they were strong throughout the encounter and the boss pointed to decent efforts from Fabian Delph, Aly Cissokho and Nathan Baker as evidence of their cautious endeavour too.
Importantly, the gaffer is confident his players will head into the Man City game in good spirits despite the Blues loss.
He said: "I thought we gave a right good account of ourselves.
"We looked solid enough. We were coming up against a team who, in my opinion, will be really close to winning the League Championship and in Europe too.
"I can't fault the lads for the way they played.
"We had one or two chances here. And you come to places like this and when you get chances you've got to score.
"They have quality all over the pitch but I thought my own team did really well.
"I thought 3-0 was a little bit harsh on us. But I was relatively pleased with how we came here and applied ourselves.
"We came here and for long periods we were well in it.
"Chelsea scored in the second half when we were on top.
"Fabian had a great hit - the shot just went by - there was Aly's effort at the back post and Nathan's header too.
"We are in a run of games where it's really tough but we've certainly played well enough.
"I've seen Chelsea score six at Everton. That's how good they are. They can rip you open at any time. All credit to the team.
"If you come away with your confidence still intact, it's half the battle.
"If someone had said to me that we'd take a point from Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea, I'd have taken it. That's the reality of it.
"But the lads have been excellent for us."
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Did we really give a right good account of ourselves then? Honestly I really don't know where you draw the line in the sand between being respectably beaten and accepting it or having a damn good go and may e getting trounced or maybe even sneaking something. I'm talking games like the 4-4, the 3-3 etc. We had better teams but we still weren't expected to beat Chelsea.
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Did we really give a right good account of ourselves then? Honestly I really don't know where you draw the line in the sand between being respectably beaten and accepting it or having a damn good go and may e getting trounced or maybe even sneaking something. I'm talking games like the 4-4, the 3-3 etc. We had better teams but we still weren't expected to beat Chelsea.
I'm guessing that on the post-match thread of the 8-0 match you weren't saying "well, we may have got trounced but at least we kept pouring forward".
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Did we really give a right good account of ourselves then? Honestly I really don't know where you draw the line in the sand between being respectably beaten and accepting it or having a damn good go and may e getting trounced or maybe even sneaking something. I'm talking games like the 4-4, the 3-3 etc. We had better teams but we still weren't expected to beat Chelsea.
Maybe he is satisfied with how we performed as I doubt the players who were ill are going to be 100% right a week later? So in that context it wasn't a disaster.
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Fair enough, In context it's not so bad
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Thank you PWS for showing the whole interview. I agree with Lambert on this account of the game.
Also unless you have some amount of luck and maybe one extra special player who's on fire you won't beat Chelsea on their patch.
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Two games in a row where we've effectively given up as soon as we've gone behind. We're just far too negative and have been all season.
Let's see how many Hull lose by at Stamford Bridge. It was a meek 2-0 last season.
To be fair it being 0-3 down in 4 minutes takes the wind out of most team's sails I would have thought?
But Hull were 2 down today after 10 minutes. Yes they did lose, but at least they came back and made a fight of it. Our attacking statistics are frighteningly bad and, if we had these stats under McLeish then people would be apoplectic - there just seems a resignation about accepting defeat at the moment.
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Did we really give a right good account of ourselves then? Honestly I really don't know where you draw the line in the sand between being respectably beaten and accepting it or having a damn good go and may e getting trounced or maybe even sneaking something. I'm talking games like the 4-4, the 3-3 etc. We had better teams but we still weren't expected to beat Chelsea.
I'm guessing that on the post-match thread of the 8-0 match you weren't saying "well, we may have got trounced but at least we kept pouring forward".
I can't remember whether I commented (I probably did). But in any event I can't see the point you're trying to make unless it is being suggested we poured forward with wave after wave of attacks in that game only to be picked off because I know I was getting steadily inebriated to numb the pain during it but I don't remember that happening.
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Thank you PWS for showing the whole interview. I agree with Lambert on this account of the game.
Also unless you have some amount of luck and maybe one extra special player who's on fire you won't beat Chelsea on their patch.
I showed what was on the skysports newspage at the time. I'm not into editing.
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It was Chelski. A point would have been a bonus. I'm not slashing my wrists over it.
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Did we really give a right good account of ourselves then? Honestly I really don't know where you draw the line in the sand between being respectably beaten and accepting it or having a damn good go and may e getting trounced or maybe even sneaking something. I'm talking games like the 4-4, the 3-3 etc. We had better teams but we still weren't expected to beat Chelsea.
Maybe he is satisfied with how we performed as I doubt the players who were ill are going to be 100% right a week later? So in that context it wasn't a disaster.
Can understand that to a degree but the vibes from the club were that everyone was training fantastically from about Wednesday onwards.
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And I'm not saying we should be beating them and im not slashing my wrists either. But there's a difference between that and just sitting back and hoping for the best.
The start we've had has been great but there isn't anything to suggest that the same old tired tactics of last season ie sit back with less than 30pc possession and see if we can nick one are going to change.
Of course we may see a different approach when Benteke returns. I do hope so.
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Did we really give a right good account of ourselves then? Honestly I really don't know where you draw the line in the sand between being respectably beaten and accepting it or having a damn good go and may e getting trounced or maybe even sneaking something. I'm talking games like the 4-4, the 3-3 etc. We had better teams but we still weren't expected to beat Chelsea.
I'm guessing that on the post-match thread of the 8-0 match you weren't saying "well, we may have got trounced but at least we kept pouring forward".
I can't remember whether I commented (I probably did). But in any event I can't see the point you're trying to make unless it is being suggested we poured forward with wave after wave of attacks in that game only to be picked off because I know I was getting steadily inebriated to numb the pain during it but I don't remember that happening.
We kept trying to push forward, leaving huge amounts of space behind us meaning that they were able to score four goals and miss a penalty in the last 15 minutes.
My point is that presumably what you mean is that you want us to have a 'good go' as long as it results in the 3-3, 4-4 type results, because when we try to push forward and get trounced nobody is any happier for the fact that we weren't just settling for a narrower defeat.
As per my original post, I can't imagine that had "we poured forward with wave after wave of attacks" today and lost 8-0 again, I'm absolutely certain that you (or indeed, anybody else) wouldn't have been using the post-match thread to praise our attitude.
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You can't be certain of anything I'd say. It isn't just Chelsea where we adopt these uninspiring tactics though is it.
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Okay. Lets draw a line under this one and next week in terms of tactics being adopted. Lets see what we start doing after these games and when we have Benteke back.
Funnily enough I do actually think we will sneak something next week.
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Did we really give a right good account of ourselves then? Honestly I really don't know where you draw the line in the sand between being respectably beaten and accepting it or having a damn good go and may e getting trounced or maybe even sneaking something. I'm talking games like the 4-4, the 3-3 etc. We had better teams but we still weren't expected to beat Chelsea.
Maybe he is satisfied with how we performed as I doubt the players who were ill are going to be 100% right a week later? So in that context it wasn't a disaster.
Can understand that to a degree but the vibes from the club were that everyone was training fantastically from about Wednesday onwards.
I have no idea, pure educated guesswork by me.
Although if there were problems still I doubt he would publicly announce it. Mind games and all that.
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The most interesting result today was Crystal Palace beating Leicester. I feel like watching some football but it doesn't seem like there's any football worth watching. To Match of the Day or Not to Match of the Day.
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You can't be certain of anything I'd say.
No, I can't.
But like I said, I don't remember too many people praising our positive attitude and the fact that we were pushing forward at 4-0 down in the equivalent match two seasons ago. If you did, then fair enough.
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Okay well fair enough ill reserve further assessments until after these games and the Benteke factor is in play.
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nobody wants to lose, but there will be much better teams than us conceding 3 goals to that Chelsea side this season. In fact there already has been.
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Time for spending limits and foreign player quotas, please. Otherwise, football can just fuck off.
Wont that just make things worse? That means clubs who buy their way to success (like everyone) will buy up a very limited resource (good british players) and less rich clubs will then be unable to buy up decent foreign players to help close the gap.
Also the quality of the league will go down if we start using more British players leading to a decline in the leagues European performances.
Fixed spending limits though, I agree. That would be helpful in leveling the playing field. Unlike FPP which makes things much worse.
No, because simply put, the best English players aren't much better than your average English player.
Well thats a fair point.
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Time for spending limits and foreign player quotas, please. Otherwise, football can just fuck off.
Wont that just make things worse? That means clubs who buy their way to success (like everyone) will buy up a very limited resource (good british players) and less rich clubs will then be unable to buy up decent foreign players to help close the gap.
Also the quality of the league will go down if we start using more British players leading to a decline in the leagues European performances.
Fixed spending limits though, I agree. That would be helpful in leveling the playing field. Unlike FPP which makes things much worse.
No, because simply put, the best English players aren't much better than your average English player.
Well thats a fair point.
Wouldn't it also mean that we wouldn't be able to field all but one of our best half a dozen players?
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I suppose the point is neither would anyone else.
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It's mainly down to a clubs owners these days rather than the sort of crowds club's attract..it's not a level playing field anymore which is a shame although it mirrors modern day Britain perfectly..The have's and the have not's.
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I suppose the point is neither would anyone else.
Quite, but it's not as if we have set ourselves up as the last bastion of using English players over foreign imports.
If we want to turn our defeat today into some sort of indictment of how foreigners are ruining the competitiveness of the league, we are no less guilty of contributing to that than anybody else.
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I suppose the point is neither would anyone else.
Quite, but it's not as if we have set ourselves up as the last bastion of using English players over foreign imports.
If we want to turn our defeat today into some sort of indictment of how foreigners are ruining the competitiveness of the league, we are no less guilty of contributing to that than anybody else.
I bet we've used a lot more English players over the last 10 years than Chelsea or Arsenal.
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I suppose the point is neither would anyone else.
Quite, but it's not as if we have set ourselves up as the last bastion of using English players over foreign imports.
If we want to turn our defeat today into some sort of indictment of how foreigners are ruining the competitiveness of the league, we are no less guilty of contributing to that than anybody else.
I bet we've used a lot more English players over the last 10 years than Chelsea or Arsenal.
Never thought I'd see you sticking up for the Harewood/Reo-Coker/Warnock/Davies/Knight/Heskey transfer policy *winky emoticon*
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Imagine what a Chelsea or Man City first team would look like if it only had five non-British players in it. They could still buy up the best home-grown players, but let's face it, they already do that. And the rest of us wouldn't be as far behind, because - well, for instance, how much better is, say, Oxlade-Chamberlain than Agbonlahor, really? Better sure, but we're not talking orders of magnitude here.
Of course, they might struggle in Europe, but who cares?
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Chelsea had a reserve left back on the bench who cost more than or first team
I'd rather we were better going forward though. There's no reason aston villa shouldn't be able to play like Swansea or Southampton can
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I'll start by saying I've had a little drink tonight.
This fucking attitude of , but it's Chelsea, or it's man city, or it's man UTD, so I can accept the defeat, is really pissing me off.
Ok, we got beat, but for fucks sake, let's not start to accept that it as the norm, and we should just accept it.
Let's get upset, let's be pissed off!
If we accept mediocrity,no shots on goal, a fucking total lack of attacking intension, then we may as well just pack in and go home.
Leicester didn't give up last week, hull had a go today.
Please stop accepting mediocrity and show some fucking passion, please.!!!
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Never thought I'd see you sticking up for the Harewood/Reo-Coker/Warnock/Davies/Knight/Heskey transfer policy *winky emoticon*
Jesus. If Lerner ever sits down and works out exactly how much that lot cost him in transfer fees and wages, he'd have some sort of breakdown. It's probably most, if not all of the £100m he wrote off, right there.
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You can't be certain of anything I'd say.
No, I can't.
But like I said, I don't remember too many people praising our positive attitude and the fact that we were pushing forward at 4-0 down in the equivalent match two seasons ago. If you did, then fair enough.
I did, it made me fall in love with Villa again (and Lambert).
But what's the effin point nowadays, couldn't really give much of a monkeys we lost today. Was at a kids party, saw the score, shrugged my shoulders and that was it.
Bring on the European Super League and let's have a real competition again in England.
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It was Chelski. A point would have been a bonus. I'm not slashing my wrists over it.
Nope completely agree, but we whoever we're playing we do need to address our lack of creativity.
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I'll start by saying I've had a little drink tonight.
This fucking attitude of , but it's Chelsea, or it's man city, or it's man UTD, so I can accept the defeat, is really pissing me off.
Ok, we got beat, but for fucks sake, let's not start to accept that it as the norm, and we should just accept it.
Let's get upset, let's be pissed off!
If we accept mediocrity,no shots on goal, a fucking total lack of attacking intension, then we may as well just pack in and go home.
Leicester didn't give up last week, hull had a go today.
Please stop accepting mediocrity and show some fucking passion, please.!!!
I'm not getting this really, last season we had the best record against the top 4 of a team who finished below that group I think.
Already this season we've won at Anfield, Everton and Southampton couldn't do that.
Ultimately you have to accept Chelsea, Man. City and Arsenal all get in excess of 70-80 points a season, that means they win at least 23 games so a lot of teams they're beating and quite a few by a few goals.
If you play them on a bad day this is what occurs no matter if you're running around like headless chickens or "having a go."
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Okay. Lets draw a line under this one and next week in terms of tactics being adopted. Lets see what we start doing after these games and when we have Benteke back.
Funnily enough I do actually think we will sneak something next week.
Fat Frank will be playing so I doubt this. Highly likely he'll score against us next week.
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Chelsea had a reserve left back on the bench who cost more than or first team
I'd rather we were better going forward though. There's no reason Aston Villa shouldn't be able to play like Swansea or Southampton can
There's a big reason why, we have Lambert as a manager we will never play like them under him. The occasional win against one of the sky 4 and avoiding relegation is as good as it gets.
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There's a big reason why, we have Lambert as a manager we will never play like them under him. The occasional win against one of the sky 4 and avoiding relegation is as good as it gets.
Correct..........
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I'm hoping it's a temporary measure until Kozak and/or Benteke are fit but we're playing like a McLeish team at the moment. Keep it tight, hope to nick a goal and hang on to it, damage limitation if we go behind to a superior team. Even Lambert's post match comments today came across as almost the verbal equivalent of TFM's fist pumping after the draw with Wigan. I don't see why it has to be that way. If the likes of Leicester can have a go at Arsenal and Man Yoo with a bunch of players mostly new to the PL, and succeed, why can't we at least have the balls to have a go?
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And yet, nothing's really changed since we beat Liverpool, only 2 weeks ago. Back then, it was pages and pages of delirium.
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It is having a go with a different tactic though isn't it? We won at Anfield this season, and the Emerites last using it. We also beat Chelsea and City at home.
As for Leicester, the United result was great, but truth is they could have been 4-1 down at one point and it would have certainly been game over.
I would love to see the quota of English players in the first 11 come back though. It would level the field a little, but it would also mean the standard of technical coaching would have o improve to create the quality of player to have any chance in Europe.
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I know its early season and can't remember if they've played anyone of note (actually they were very unlucky to lose at Anfield on the opening day) but most of us thought Southampton would have their arses handed to them this season after what happened in the summer yet there seems to be a continuity in their style of play, as with Swansea, and they look so fluid and exciting going forward. Just makes me jealous that our game is far more laboured and less technical than clubs we've traditionally been far more successful than.
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There is a big difference to accepting defeat before a ball has been kicked, and accepting that after the game, a side that is miles better than we are and cost about 15x what our starting 11 did beat us. It's shit, but the gulf in this league is modern football.
However, the 5 times we've played Chavski under Lambert, we've had a real tonking, a comfortable defeat, robbed of at least a point, lost two 2 late goals and beaten them. So we are hardly waving the white flag each time we play them as 3 of the 5 games we more than deserved a result.
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I know its early season and can't remember if they've played anyone of note (actually they were very unlucky to lose at Anfield on the opening day) but most of us thought Southampton would have their arses handed to them this season after what happened in the summer yet there seems to be a continuity in their style of play, as with Swansea, and they look so fluid and exciting going forward. Just makes me jealous that our game is far more laboured and less technical than clubs we've traditionally been far more successful than.
Swansea it is early days this season. Monk will run out of steam I reckon.
Southampton are there to be judged next season. First season coming in from a manager that has put in a certain style and got through the pain of embedding it, often results in a brief upturn, and much back slapping. Clarke at Albion following Hodgson is a decent example. Second season they often lose their way.
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Just back from London, a little later than expected but they've shut the M1 between jct 16-18.
Quite relieved it was only 3-0. When they scored after 6 mins I had flashbacks to the 8 and thought it was on again.
Let's just move on, draw a line and go again.
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In the 10th minute (or so) when Weimann had the ball at the top of the area, why didn't he shoot? They never shoot from that area. Why?
Bring back Tommy Hitz, please.
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BTW - I saw Jon and Pauline at the match on TV today - they looked well.
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I sat with the Chelski lot. Apart from the expectation they have of their team - not surprising given the expense they've incurreed to bring the best to the "Bridge" - they adopted an irritating ennui that said "why do we have to play teams like Aston Villa; it's sooo-o-o-o boring?!"
The only player that they seemed to notice in our famous colours was Delph.
In truth, I thought we played okay whilst lacking the guile to penetrate thir defence. Like others, I thought after 7 minutes that we would be in for another pasting, and actually we played them reasonably well. But, in the end when they put consistent pressure on us we conceded.
Things will get better for us, I believe, this season.
Good points? - Westwood, Delph and TC23 look like a developing midfield unit.
Nor so good? - our squad is far too shallow: bringing on Bent and NZog is a total waste of time. The former did nothing; the latter gave away 3 freee kicks in quick succession and made two rubbish passes; and that was it.
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I was impressed with the build up and the shot from range that Delph had early in the second half.That is what I want to see from Villa.
Unfortunately our midfield do not have the ability to create. Cleverley,Westwood and Richardson are more or less the same player, tidy and effiecient can pass a ball but no more than that.Delph has a higher level of ability but doesnt create chances for the two at the front.
It would appear that Joe Cole may not be the answer. Perhaps young Grealish could do this job.
N'Zogbia needs moving on and without wingers Darren Bent is not worth puting on the pitch.
Still not too bad so far. Probably better than we thought.
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Nice to see Stan looking well in the crowd. Lovely pint and burger at the White Horse before the game. Realistically a 3-0 loss here is not season-defining and whilst I wish we were able to compete we have to be honest with ourselves. Playing for a draw and trying to nick one is the only option with the players available to us this season.
6th in the league with 10 points is better than expected so we have to get through the Man City game (and I believe we have to use similar tactics to today although it will not look pretty!) and then get the momentum going again. Hopefully with Vlaar, Benteke, Okore and Grealish integrated into the first team.
Taken in isolation today's performance was poor but we have to keep it in perspective.
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Oh well, I expected nothing and we got nothing. Let's hope we play better against Citeh and hopefully Vlaar will be back.
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Spot on for me Ron M.
I like Sanchez, and think when he gets up to speed his pace, strength and aggression is what we need.I'm ok with Delph, not over impressed with Westwood, and not sure that for £8m we can't get a better player than Cleverley.Sigurdsson was cheaper than that and would have been a better fit.
We need better footballers up front to play off CB/Kozak. Weimann, Gabby and N'Zog lack the quality at this level
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It was kind of expected yesterday but disappointing all the same. I wish we'd had a bit more conviction going forward because at 1-0 we could have snatched a goal and maybe an unlikely point.
Also i know we let in 3 goals but i thought Senderos was excellent, especially in the first half.
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When Benteke is fully fit and back in the team I'm quite positive our whole attacking options and belief will be vastly different to now.
We have shown our midfield and defense is a huge improvement, we are just lacking up front somewhat. Also having a player like Benteke on the pitch gives the other players a lift and sense of belief.
We're on really tough run and I'm still really positive with how we're doing so far. I'd rather focus on the positives than dwelling on losing to teams like Arsenal and Chelsea. Especially when we are missing vital players.
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Zero shots on target........... How many times has this happened under Lambert.
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I felt yesterday and last week we really let their defenders off quite easy. Cahill got an early booking and we didn't get at him. It was more annoying last week as Chambers (I think) got booked early and as opposed to putting Gabby out to the left to exploit that we gave that kid a piss easy ride all the way to the final whistle.
I understand damage limitation, and in the case of last week, unforeseen circumstances, but to have so little attacking intent is really an insult to the game to be honest. You get very little by sitting back and hoping to only get beaten by 2-3 rather than 4-5. To not even seem to bothered about scoring yourself is a bit pathetic. I hope we're a little more adventurous against Man City as we were in the first half against Liverpool and first 30 minutes against Arsenal. There's no harm in taking the game too them whilst still remaining cautious at the back.
There was no need to have 10 men behind the ball all the time yesterday as Chelseas fullbacks are more defensive minded than attack normally. Ivanovic is good at right back but he's not blessed with pace or brilliant delivery, he's a center-back at heart. We could and should have been more adventurous.
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BTW - I saw Jon and Pauline at the match on TV today - they looked well.
Which odds are greater - them back on H&V or Okore getting a game?
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Villas starting 11 today cost £14m
Chelseas starting 11 cost £190m.
& the 2 subs we bought on cost £34m.
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Villas starting 11 today cost £14m
Chelseas starting 11 cost £190m.
& the 2 subs we bought on cost £34m.
And that still makes it an insurmountable disparity, especially when you consider the current market value of our 'two subs'.
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Zero shots on target........... How many times has this happened under Lambert.
Well it didn't happen yesterday.
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I have looked for it, so please excuse the daft question, but where on this site will I find a fixture list for the season?
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Not sure there is one, they fixtures are copyright of the Premier League...Pfft!
Have a look on the BBC website...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/fixtures
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Zero shots on target........... How many times has this happened under Lambert.
Well it didn't happen yesterday.
Only if you choose to believe it happened.
I mean we was not great yesterday but we also was not as bad as some people make out.
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I think our biggest problem is that with only one up front, we are so predictable and easy to defend against. What I find most annoying is pulling everybody back when the opposition has a corner or free kick. This just invites pressure as it allows the opposition to sit their midfield on the edge of our penalty area and easily regain position from the second ball.
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Was at the Game. Last week it was a virus, what is the excuse this week?
Weiman needs a good look at himself, did not track the runner and gave them the lead and the game. On the few occasions we progressed up the pitch with nice passing and then Weimen gets it and gives it away. He had the worst technique on the pitch.
Bringing NZOG and Bent was just another act of surrender.
They beat us at a stroll. Gutless
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OMVF. That has annyoyed me for ages, never understood it.
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Was at the Game. Last week it was a virus, what is the excuse this week?
Weiman needs a good look at himself, did not track the runner and gave them the lead and the game. On the few occasions we progressed up the pitch with nice passing and then Weimen gets it and gives it away. He had the worst technique on the pitch.
Bringing NZOG and Bent was just another act of surrender.
They beat us at a stroll. Gutless
This deserves an award just for 2 different attempts at spelling Weimann and getting them both wrong.
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Was at the Game. Last week it was a virus, what is the excuse this week?
Weiman needs a good look at himself, did not track the runner and gave them the lead and the game. On the few occasions we progressed up the pitch with nice passing and then Weimen gets it and gives it away. He had the worst technique on the pitch.
Bringing NZOG and Bent was just another act of surrender.
They beat us at a stroll. Gutless
Whats your reasoning behind this?
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And yet, nothing's really changed since we beat Liverpool, only 2 weeks ago. Back then, it was pages and pages of delirium.
I can't agree - what has changed is that up to that point we had lead in matches (Stoke and 'The Mighty Reds YNWA') and successfully defended that lead by pressing and sitting deep whilst offering little further attacking threat. That's fine when ahead, but since then we've done the same when 1, 2 and 3 down. I understand we don't want to incur an absolute tonking and the subsequent damage to confidence and morale, but to practically give up and settle for damage limitation is, to me, hard to accept, especially at home. Chelsea away is perhaps more understandable in that respect, but Arsenal's defence is far from secure, yet we barely tested them after losing the 3 goals. And we didn't seem interested in trying. In a similar situation, admittedly against a ropier defence, Leicester risked it at 3-1 down and reaped the rewards. Maybe it's just me but I'd rather go down all guns blazing than with a whimper. And in the absence of our two main CFs surely the young lad (Robinson?) can't be any worse than Gabby in the sole striker role.
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Since Liverpool we have played two significantly better sides, one of which will win the league. Next week we will have the side that will split them in second place and all of which spent a small African nations GDP this summer.
Against our peers and those lacking world class players, we hold our own and better. Without our best two forwards and centre half, we are just not up to it.
We didn't surrender yesterday, what an unfounded cliche. We were outplayed by a significantly better side and that will happen to a lot of clubs at Stamford Bridge.
Fabregas, Oscar, Hazard and Will-I-Am- that is more creativity than we have had collectively for the past twenty years, all played behind a bloke that scored the goals to pip Barca and Real to La Liga, while playing in a European Cup final.
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Since Liverpool we have played two significantly better sides, one of which will win the league. Next week we will have the side that will split them in second place and all of which spent a small African nations GDP this summer.
Against our peers and those lacking world class players, we hold our own and better. Without our best two forwards and centre half, we are just not up to it.
We didn't surrender yesterday, what an unfounded cliche. We were outplayed by a significantly better side and that will happen to a lot of clubs at Stamford Bridge.
Fabregas, Oscar, Hazard and Will-I-Am- that is more creativity than we have had collectively for the past twenty years, all played behind a bloke that scored the goals to pip Barca and Real to La Liga, while playing in a European Cup final.
And that is absolutely correct. Forget this match and move on to Manchester City.
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The only worring thing from Saturdays game was how uninterested Darren Bent and Charles N'Zogbia appeared. Now, maybe that's because the game was over, or are they unhappy with still being at the club? I don't know, but they hardly busted a gut to get themselves back in the side. As for the rest, it's nothing to worry about. We will occasionally get the odd good result against a top side, but more often than not, we're not up to it. We need to judge ourselves on the 14 or so sides that could get dragged into the shit at the bottom. Most of which we'll be fine against, Hull, Stoke etc etc. Just write the weekend off and start again in a few weeks, maybe against Everton, but definitely against QPR.
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Zog is always going to be hit and miss, and will be mainly miss when we are being outplayed.
Bent just seems a waste of a shirt these days. A kid from the U16 side couldn't have been any less use than Bent has been so far this season. A startlingly rapid decline from Bent and he's still only 30 and yet looks less mobile than Sheringham did at 38/39. Worth every penny of what we paid at that time, a few years on and I wouldn't want him on a free and 10K a week wages. He actually looks like he has eaten Grant Holt.
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Since Liverpool we have played two significantly better sides, one of which will win the league. Next week we will have the side that will split them in second place and all of which spent a small African nations GDP this summer.
Against our peers and those lacking world class players, we hold our own and better. Without our best two forwards and centre half, we are just not up to it.
We didn't surrender yesterday, what an unfounded cliche. We were outplayed by a significantly better side and that will happen to a lot of clubs at Stamford Bridge.
Fabregas, Oscar, Hazard and Will-I-Am- that is more creativity than we have had collectively for the past twenty years, all played behind a bloke that scored the goals to pip Barca and Real to La Liga, while playing in a European Cup final.
As I said, with Chelsea it was perhaps more understandable. Arsenal are a good side generally but were struggling to find 4 fit defenders, their defence was torn to shreds by Dortmund (yes I know we are not at their level but even so) and were having to make do and mend in that department. Surely we could have made more effort to exploit what was probably their main weakness on the day, rather than give them possibly one of the easiest rides they'll get this season?
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We'll never know but maybe we would have if we hadn't been struck by that virus.
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He actually looks like he has eaten Grant Holt.
Very good sir.
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As I said, with Chelsea it was perhaps more understandable. Arsenal are a good side generally but were struggling to find 4 fit defenders, their defence was torn to shreds by Dortmund (yes I know we are not at their level but even so) and were having to make do and mend in that department. Surely we could have made more effort to exploit what was probably their main weakness on the day, rather than give them possibly one of the easiest rides they'll get this season?
I think we were all over the Arse for the first 35 and should probalby have been ahead - the 6 minute madness is a little inexplicable and the second half may as well have never happened for its lack of anything noteworthy... but I guess that was a result of the virus..
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We are missing Ron...
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plastic ron?he never plays at christmas so get use to him being out
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I think part of yesterday was leftover from the illness of the previous week. They only came back to training on Wednesday. Hardly the best preparation going into a game against the best team in the league. I expect to see us play a bit more like we have been this weekend, albeit against just as difficult an opponent.
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I think part of yesterday was leftover from the illness of the previous week. They only came back to training on Wednesday. Hardly the best preparation going into a game against the best team in the league. I expect to see us play a bit more like we have been this weekend, albeit against just as difficult an opponent.
I don't even think that will have come in to it. I think we just played the best team in the league. I doubt the result would have been any different if there had been no illness.
It's fair enough, sometimes you come up against a side which is just significantly better than you are - and they are. They'll beat much better teams than us this season, easily.
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I think part of yesterday was leftover from the illness of the previous week. They only came back to training on Wednesday. Hardly the best preparation going into a game against the best team in the league. I expect to see us play a bit more like we have been this weekend, albeit against just as difficult an opponent.
Pre game you fancied us for a result didn't you ? Did the illness have no bearing on that view?
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It's getting a bit darker of an evening now, so don't expect to see Ron for a couple of months.
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Zog is always going to be hit and miss, and will be mainly miss when we are being outplayed.
Bent just seems a waste of a shirt these days. A kid from the U16 side couldn't have been any less use than Bent has been so far this season. A startlingly rapid decline from Bent and he's still only 30 and yet looks less mobile than Sheringham did at 38/39. Worth every penny of what we paid at that time, a few years on and I wouldn't want him on a free and 10K a week wages. He actually looks like he has eaten Grant Holt.
Bit harsh. I don't remember any crosses to him or any through balls getting him in on goal probably because he only got onto the pitch when we had already thrown the towel in. Gabby hardly did anything as the lone striker either.
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I think part of yesterday was leftover from the illness of the previous week. They only came back to training on Wednesday. Hardly the best preparation going into a game against the best team in the league. I expect to see us play a bit more like we have been this weekend, albeit against just as difficult an opponent.
I don't even think that will have come in to it. I think we just played the best team in the league. I doubt the result would have been any different if there had been no illness.
It's fair enough, sometimes you come up against a side which is just significantly better than you are - and they are. They'll beat much better teams than us this season, easily.
I'm not saying we'd have beaten them, but it can't have helped not having a full week to prepare.
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I think part of yesterday was leftover from the illness of the previous week. They only came back to training on Wednesday. Hardly the best preparation going into a game against the best team in the league. I expect to see us play a bit more like we have been this weekend, albeit against just as difficult an opponent.
Pre game you fancied us for a result didn't you ? Did the illness have no bearing on that view?
Yes, I thought they could have got something from the game. It's a much better place to be mentally than being morbidly depressed all the time about everything to do with the club.
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Zog is always going to be hit and miss, and will be mainly miss when we are being outplayed.
Bent just seems a waste of a shirt these days. A kid from the U16 side couldn't have been any less use than Bent has been so far this season. A startlingly rapid decline from Bent and he's still only 30 and yet looks less mobile than Sheringham did at 38/39. Worth every penny of what we paid at that time, a few years on and I wouldn't want him on a free and 10K a week wages. He actually looks like he has eaten Grant Holt.
Bit harsh. I don't remember any crosses to him or any through balls getting him in on goal probably because he only got onto the pitch when we had already thrown the towel in. Gabby hardly did anything as the lone striker either.
Zog is always going to be hit and miss, and will be mainly miss when we are being outplayed.
Bent just seems a waste of a shirt these days. A kid from the U16 side couldn't have been any less use than Bent has been so far this season. A startlingly rapid decline from Bent and he's still only 30 and yet looks less mobile than Sheringham did at 38/39. Worth every penny of what we paid at that time, a few years on and I wouldn't want him on a free and 10K a week wages. He actually looks like he has eaten Grant Holt.
Bit harsh. I don't remember any crosses to him or any through balls getting him in on goal probably because he only got onto the pitch when we had already thrown the towel in. Gabby hardly did anything as the lone striker either.
I didn't hear this directly but on 5 live, Steve Claridge said how much bigger bent was than when he'd last seen him
By the time benteke and kozak are back he'll be nowhere to be seen. Next year I expect to see him in an obscure foreign league
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Basically we are a bit better in defence than last season with our world-class striker still out so 10 points is OK by me - if it is still 10 points at the end of October I may begin to worry...
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Spot on for me Ron M.
I like Sanchez, and think when he gets up to speed his pace, strength and aggression is what we need.I'm ok with Delph, not over impressed with Westwood, and not sure that for £8m we can't get a better player than Cleverley.Sigurdsson was cheaper than that and would have been a better fit.
We need better footballers up front to play off CB/Kozak. Weimann, Gabby and N'Zog lack the quality at this level
Sigurdsson would have been such a fantastic signing.
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I really really hate Chelsea.
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I just wish they ,Man City and Manyoo ,when they have finished buying their way back to trophies, would clear off to some sort of European Mega bucks league.We might then get a league that resmbes a sporting contest rather than the farce that is laughingly described as the' best league in the world. '
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I just wish they ,Man City and Manyoo ,when they have finished buying their way back to trophies, would clear off to some sort of European Mega bucks league.We might then get a league that resmbes a sporting contest rather than the farce that is laughingly described as the' best league in the world. '
This. And to think not to long ago we were all laughing at the SPL for being a two horse race. The EPL is hardly better.
Re. the game, I don't know why Hutton's being allowed/encouraged to get forward so much. He's greatly improved defensively, but his attacking play is dire.
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I think part of yesterday was leftover from the illness of the previous week. They only came back to training on Wednesday. Hardly the best preparation going into a game against the best team in the league. I expect to see us play a bit more like we have been this weekend, albeit against just as difficult an opponent.
Pre game you fancied us for a result didn't you ? Did the illness have no bearing on that view?
Yes, I thought they could have got something from the game. It's a much better place to be mentally than being morbidly depressed all the time about everything to do with the club.
Ain't that the truth.
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I just wish they ,Man City and Manyoo ,when they have finished buying their way back to trophies, would clear off to some sort of European Mega bucks league.We might then get a league that resmbes a sporting contest rather than the farce that is laughingly described as the' best league in the world. '
This. And to think not to long ago we were all laughing at the SPL for being a two horse race. The EPL is hardly better.
And this is what it is now and will be for ever more. Thanks to Sky, Scudamore and Platini's FFP.
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A bit of an anti-climax this weekend. Now onto the next 'easy game!'.
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I just wish they ,Man City and Manyoo ,when they have finished buying their way back to trophies, would clear off to some sort of European Mega bucks league.We might then get a league that resmbes a sporting contest rather than the farce that is laughingly described as the' best league in the world. '
This. And to think not to long ago we were all laughing at the SPL for being a two horse race. The EPL is hardly better.
Re. the game, I don't know why Hutton's being allowed/encouraged to get forward so much. He's greatly improved defensively, but his attacking play is dire.
This is true, but then again, all of our width comes from the full-backs, so he has to get forward whether he's any good at it or not.
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I just wish they ,Man City and Manyoo ,when they have finished buying their way back to trophies, would clear off to some sort of European Mega bucks league.We might then get a league that resmbes a sporting contest rather than the farce that is laughingly described as the' best league in the world. '
This. And to think not to long ago we were all laughing at the SPL for being a two horse race. The EPL is hardly better.
And this is what it is now and will be for ever more. Thanks to Sky, Scudamore and Platini's FFP.
The domestic FFP rules are much worse than Platini's.
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Mourinho the patronising ****** (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/jose-mourino-attempts-premature-handshake-with-paul-lambert-and-roy-keane--gets-snubbed-163111046.html?)
And doesn't Roy Keane look happy?
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Classless ******. The perfect fit for that classless wankstain of a club. I fucking hate Chelsea. ******.
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I have seen none of Saturday's football. Nor did my discovering the result raise more than a shrug. And this inevitable defeat to a much better side bankrolled by a Russian of dubious business practice. Fucking Chelsea!
Chelsea who counted Micky Droy as a cult hero. Chelsea who has electrified fences to keep in the few thousand animals that bothered to follow them.
Chelsea who played at a ground with weeds growing through the concrete inside "The Bridge".
Chelsea who were seen as a blight on their proximity to the Kings Road. Chelsea who even after Sky invented football had a front pairing of Mark Stein and John Spencer.
Chelsea who had Sinclair and Duberry at back, Beasant in goal and their captain at the time Townsend walked here to sign.
I could go on but, suffice to say, I can't stand the fucking new money, Johnny come Lately, tinpot bunch of chavs that won the lottery, Mickey Carroll esque, shithouses.
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I have seen none of Saturday's football. Nor did my discovering the result raise more than a shrug. And this inevitable defeat to a much better side bankrolled by a Russian of dubious business practice. Fucking Chelsea!
Chelsea who counted Micky Droy as a cult hero. Chelsea who has electrified fences to keep in the few thousand animals that bothered to follow them.
Chelsea who played at a ground with weeds growing through the concrete inside "The Bridge".
Chelsea who were seen as a blight on their proximity to the Kings Road. Chelsea who even after Sky invented football had a front pairing of Mark Stein and John Spencer.
Chelsea who had Sinclair and Duberry at back, Beasant in goal and their captain at the time Townsend walked here to sign.
I could go on but, suffice to say, I can't stand the fucking new money, Johnny come Lately, tinpot bunch of chavs that won the lottery, Mickey Carroll esque, shithouses.
Excellent.
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And don't forget, Chelsea, such a big club that they had less than 9,000 for a Premier League game against Coventry.
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They are historically peasants. Not a pot to piss in. No fans. A history only slightly better than the Blues. An unfashionable pile of shit that even West Ham fans sneer down their nose at.
They embody everything that is fucking shit about the modern game. "When playing the big clubs...."
Big? Chuffing Big? I have done shites bigger than they will ever be. They fucking disgust me.
I say it again, they are the absolute embodiment of EVERYTHING that is crap about modern football.
As welcome as a turd in your cereal bowl. Another mans pubic hair on your pillow. A double team blowjob with Anne Widdecombe looking after one bollock and David Mellor the other.
A pox on all their houses!
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Jose Mourinho handshake snubbed by Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert and Roy Keane as Chelsea boss left before full time
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Have to say, I think that's excellent from Lambert. It's a horrible, calculated attempt at belittling his fellow manager and his staff, and fair play to Lambert for refusing to be patronised.
Keane also clearly knows what is going on and, again, I think his (non) reaction is spot on.
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Chavski may be able to buy trophies by the truckload. But they will never be able to buy the history and class of Aston Villa. We'll always be able to look down on them no matter what and how much they win.
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I hate Chelsea. I really hate them. I don't mind citeh though. I think that says a lot.
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Typically antagnostic of Jose. Is it really that much to ask to wait until the game has finished? Is there traffic in the tunnel? Does you tea get cold? Dick.
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I wonder how often he does that stunt if they are losing by a goal?
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His conduct at VP last season was truly wonderful....the fact that he thought it was perfectly ok for him to go on the pitch to question the referee never once crossed his mind as inappropriate behaviour. He clearly thinks he is "above" what is accepted amongst the manager fraternity and basically, the rules.
Twonk!
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He's the perfect fit for them and their owner.
Classless, self absorbed, egotistical, self aggrandising, aggravating, irritating, patronsing shit who's mostly interested in self promotion.
Desperately over egging all possible situations, which is usually a sign of over compensating for an inferiority complex due to having a sense of not really being worthy or belonging in the company they keep.
I don't think that he thinks that he's above generally accepted behaviour, the idea that there is a generally accepted behaviour has never really dawned on him.
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He's got previous for doing this. Yes you've beaten us, but there's no need to take the p***
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He really is a childish little pratt. The fawning over him is sickening.
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I really don't like him, he does fit Chelsea like a glove too. Horrible man and a horrible club.
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Love Keane's reaction, and good that Lambert didn't let him get away with it. Bad sportsmanship and disrespectful... really uncool behavior. Makes him look like a small minded wanker.
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Any last festering respect I had for him went after his pathetic whining after the game at VP last season. His comments then made some of the shite Wenger comes out with look balanced by comparison.
He is a cockwomble at a club that is full of them, from the stands to the boardroom. I detest them.
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I have seen none of Saturday's football. Nor did my discovering the result raise more than a shrug. And this inevitable defeat to a much better side bankrolled by a Russian of dubious business practice. Fucking Chelsea!
Chelsea who counted Micky Droy as a cult hero. Chelsea who has electrified fences to keep in the few thousand animals that bothered to follow them.
Chelsea who played at a ground with weeds growing through the concrete inside "The Bridge".
Chelsea who were seen as a blight on their proximity to the Kings Road. Chelsea who even after Sky invented football had a front pairing of Mark Stein and John Spencer.
Chelsea who had Sinclair and Duberry at back, Beasant in goal and their captain at the time Townsend walked here to sign.
I could go on but, suffice to say, I can't stand the fucking new money, Johnny come Lately, tinpot bunch of chavs that won the lottery, Mickey Carroll esque, shithouses.
Brilliant rant and post Chelts. So true.
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He's the perfect fit for them and their owner.
Classless, self absorbed, egotistical, self aggrandising, aggravating, irritating, patronsing shit who's mostly interested in self promotion.
Desperately over egging all possible situations, which is usually a sign of over compensating for an inferiority complex due to having a sense of not really being worthy or belonging in the company they keep.
I don't think that he thinks that he's above generally accepted behaviour, the idea that there is a generally accepted behaviour has never really dawned on him.
V i D cant agree, I know his a Khunt
sorry I do actually agree with V i D , but I do think the bloke morihino is a complete weapon
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I have seen none of Saturday's football. Nor did my discovering the result raise more than a shrug. And this inevitable defeat to a much better side bankrolled by a Russian of dubious business practice. Fucking Chelsea!
Chelsea who counted Micky Droy as a cult hero. Chelsea who has electrified fences to keep in the few thousand animals that bothered to follow them.
Chelsea who played at a ground with weeds growing through the concrete inside "The Bridge".
Chelsea who were seen as a blight on their proximity to the Kings Road. Chelsea who even after Sky invented football had a front pairing of Mark Stein and John Spencer.
Chelsea who had Sinclair and Duberry at back, Beasant in goal and their captain at the time Townsend walked here to sign.
I could go on but, suffice to say, I can't stand the fucking new money, Johnny come Lately, tinpot bunch of chavs that won the lottery, Mickey Carroll esque, shithouses.
Brilliant rant and post Chelts. So true.
Post of the year.
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The look on Keano's face was priceless. I wonder if Jose knows just how closely he came to death.
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Seems like the perfect opportunity for someone to dust down that video of Doug shaking hands and laughing at Abramovich.
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I have seen none of Saturday's football. Nor did my discovering the result raise more than a shrug. And this inevitable defeat to a much better side bankrolled by a Russian of dubious business practice. Fucking Chelsea!
Chelsea who counted Micky Droy as a cult hero. Chelsea who has electrified fences to keep in the few thousand animals that bothered to follow them.
Chelsea who played at a ground with weeds growing through the concrete inside "The Bridge".
Chelsea who were seen as a blight on their proximity to the Kings Road. Chelsea who even after Sky invented football had a front pairing of Mark Stein and John Spencer.
Chelsea who had Sinclair and Duberry at back, Beasant in goal and their captain at the time Townsend walked here to sign.
I could go on but, suffice to say, I can't stand the fucking new money, Johnny come Lately, tinpot bunch of chavs that won the lottery, Mickey Carroll esque, shithouses.
Brilliant rant and post Chelts. So true.
Post of the year.
Wonderful piece of work Sir.
I think you might hate chavski more than me. Beautiful
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Rant of the season.
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Just look at his, just look at his face!
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Priceless!
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YouTube was invented for that very clip.
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Herberts in my good books forever for that alone. If Carlsberg did youtube clips...
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Herberts in my good books forever for that alone. If Carlsberg did youtube clips...
Doug knew exactly what he was doing. Nearly as good as inventing the overhead bicycle kick!
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YouTube was invented for that very clip.
And SSN for this one. Three idiots so far out of their depth with an intelligent, eloquent REAL journalist they might as well be in deep space:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GmCtci6cen8
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nice one, I had forgotten about it Perce...
UTV
The Doc
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YouTube was invented for that very clip.
And SSN for this one. Three idiots so far out of their depth with an intelligent, eloquent REAL journalist they might as well be in deep space:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GmCtci6cen8
Abramovich put British football on the map ;D ;D ;D
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Kirsty Gallagher put SSN on the map :-*
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Classless wankers won again :(
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Thanks for that Percy!
A wonderful example of what modern foo£ball is all about...
3 people in that studio have no idea what the f**k is going on...
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Thanks for that Percy!
A wonderful example of what modern foo£ball is all about...
3 people in that studio have no idea what the f**k is going on...
Oh they understand it just fine.
But they're never going to admit to being part of the problem and bite the hand that feeds them (as 3 individuals) or criticise the man that kick started the last 10-12 years of vicarious financial porn, that keeps them and their masters in the money.
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True ViD, very true.
Shit, innit?
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Just seen that Mourinho thing. Nothing in it really. He was leaving early, as he usually does, and just went to shale hands. Nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with Lambert's reaction.
Anyway, after the game I was back in Croydon when approached by a bloke who said he was a Villa fan. Apparently he started supporting us when his team moved to Milton Keynes and has stayed ever since.
Then on Monday night I was talking at my local to sam Landen boy,
""Ere, Pete, I saw a capple of your lot dairn my end on Saturday night. Right proppa geezers. Fackin' great laugh"
" Where was that?"
"Dairn Arsenal way. I fink they were your boys anyway. What were they doin dairn ere tho"?
"We played Chelsea"
"Fack. Course you did. Anyway, they must be a ryet sort because it's a proppa naughty pab. dey stayd till freeish befowa gairn dairn ta Yewston fourwa dair trayn. Ryet geezas".
I immediately thought of Percy.
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Thanks Percy for the Matthew Syed SSN clip - brilliant and very educational. I'd never heard those things said in such a concise and understandable way before.
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YouTube was invented for that very clip.
And SSN for this one. Three idiots so far out of their depth with an intelligent, eloquent REAL journalist they might as well be in deep space:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GmCtci6cen8
Wow, never seen that before.
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YouTube was invented for that very clip.
And SSN for this one. Three idiots so far out of their depth with an intelligent, eloquent REAL journalist they might as well be in deep space:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GmCtci6cen8
Wow, never seen that before.
Kirsty Gallagher "The Premier League is one of the biggest leagues in the World now, surely because of Chelsea."
Um...I don't love you any more Kirsty.
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Shes a bit of a horse, and her ex husband looks like oscar the blade gunner. I shouldnt take to much notice of her educated opinions. 8)
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Had the pleasure to walk past a group of 5 or 6 Chelsea fans last night on their way to their game with Sporting. They were probably mid to late 30's and were acting like they'd just walked off the set of Green Street II despite the vast majority around them being Sporting little kids, women, teens and pensioners.
Utter, utter tools.
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the head hunters would turn in their sewer