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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: spartacuss on June 25, 2014, 03:41:14 PM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b047wfym
Totally sacrificing the street cred I've never had, listened to Radio 4's "You and Yours" and its offshoot "Face the Facts" today and at 14m 33s our very own head of our academy, Bryan Jones, talks about the way the current Premiership/League set up is very exploitative and destructive of potential young English players (some as young as 5 or 6!). These kids are taken on by many clubs (but not our own) and then cynically discards them without any follow up. What he says about the current England team and future W.C. prospects is controversial to say the least... but needs to be said loud and long.
Pity the latter issue - potential young English players being ill-served by coaching facilities - was not accompanied by a consideration of the other elephant in the room of football provision for the young: the massive sell-off of playing fields started under Thatcher, a slight fall-off under Thatcher-lite New Labour and now again in full spate by this current shabby crew that's supposed to govern for the majority of people in this country. Since the the late 1980's over 11,000 part or whole playing fields have been sold off, but, hey, it only affects 93% of the children who attend publicly-funded education. (Tory and New Labour opinions especially welcome on this progressive policy.)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b047wfym
What he says about the current England team and future W.C. prospects is controversial to say the least... but needs to be said loud and long.
What does he say?
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Not exactly on topic but a big factor in sacrificing my own personal future, and retiring in poverty, by privately educating my kids was diminishing sporting facilities in state schools. I don't necessarily agree with the principle of private education but they do do sport well.
Currently for Son 1 that means he's had to sacrifice his love of God's game for a school obsessed with bloody egg chasing but the principle remains as they do Rugby really really well. Almost professionally for the older lads.
And although I hate to say it the national rugby side is a lot closer to being world champions again than the footy team.
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Not exactly on topic but a big factor in sacrificing my own personal future, and retiring in poverty, by privately educating my kids was diminishing sporting facilities in state schools. I don't necessarily agree with the principle of private education but they do do sport well.
Currently for Son 1 that means he's had to sacrifice his love of God's game for a school obsessed with bloody egg chasing but the principle remains as they do Rugby really really well. Almost professionally for the older lads.
And although I hate to say it the national rugby side is a lot closer to being world champions again that the footy team.
The improvement in rugby is down to the change of approach at youth level, all players that are affiliated to a decent professional club will be expected to be good rugby players first and then a good 'flanker/prop/fullback/etc' second. So they all learn to tackle, pass (off both hands), clear out at the ruck, catch the high ball, present the ball from a tackle, etc as their core skills, and that core skills training is always there, even at first team top level sides. Having players who have total confidence in their core skills makes it so much easier to be successful, if you can cut down the error count it's easier to put the tactical plans into effect.
Taking away parks and playing fields has done us no favours but the bigger problem is the approach to the teaching/coaching of sport. Starting with state schools all dedicated PE teachers (not a maths teacher who has a free session and plays sunday league football with the guys from the pub) should be encouraged to complete the basic coaching badges for all core sports (football, rugby, cricket, netball, athletics, maybe others) with the underlying principle being that most kids should be given the basic skills to do at least a couple of those activities as a hobby as the minimum.
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when I was at school some 40 years ago, school football was where it was at, if you were good enough to play for the school team that was quite possibly the only competitive football you got until you left school and went on to play for the local pub/club
there has to be more kids playing competitive football today then ever before, every Saturday and sunday there are thousands lining up for there local sides from ages 6 upwards
I'm not saying the competitiveness is a good thing, but there is more opportunity today than there was years ago
although playing football every single night on the street or local park seems to have gone, and that might play a part
what I'm saying is that whilst selling off school sports fields is an absolute tragedy, it cant be blamed for kids not playing football or having the opportunity to do so
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Going back 40 years myself (gosh) you couldn't play anything other than school footy if you played for your school, there was a definate progression from school, to county level, to a professional club at 14 at the earliest. Even then the lad in our school who played for Leicester had to play for the school as a first priority rather than Leicester. It was only the non school team players who played Sunday morning footy really.
Funny how it changes.
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when I was at school some 40 years ago, school football was where it was at, if you were good enough to play for the school team that was quite possibly the only competitive football you got until you left school and went on to play for the local pub/club
there has to be more kids playing competitive football today then ever before, every Saturday and sunday there are thousands lining up for there local sides from ages 6 upwards
I'm not saying the competitiveness is a good thing, but there is more opportunity today than there was years ago
although playing football every single night on the street or local park seems to have gone, and that might play a part
what I'm saying is that whilst selling off school sports fields is an absolute tragedy, it cant be blamed for kids not playing football or having the opportunity to do so
Those competitive games for 6-12 year olds are a big part of the problem. The key to coaching at that level is about getting lots of time with a ball and getting loads of touches. a decent sized grass pitch with 7-11 a-side means a lot of those kids are 'playing football' without actually spending much time with a ball. You get the 1-2 kids who are a bit special and are involved in everything and the rest of the team turns into a delivery mechanism for them.
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You should listen to Bryan's contribution here. It's controversial vis-a-vis England. The rest of it is interesting, too.
Thanks for posting this, 'cuss.
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when I was at school some 40 years ago, school football was where it was at, if you were good enough to play for the school team that was quite possibly the only competitive football you got until you left school and went on to play for the local pub/club
there has to be more kids playing competitive football today then ever before, every Saturday and sunday there are thousands lining up for there local sides from ages 6 upwards
I'm not saying the competitiveness is a good thing, but there is more opportunity today than there was years ago
although playing football every single night on the street or local park seems to have gone, and that might play a part
what I'm saying is that whilst selling off school sports fields is an absolute tragedy, it cant be blamed for kids not playing football or having the opportunity to do so
Those competitive games for 6-12 year olds are a big part of the problem. The key to coaching at that level is about getting lots of time with a ball and getting loads of touches. a decent sized grass pitch with 7-11 a-side means a lot of those kids are 'playing football' without actually spending much time with a ball. You get the 1-2 kids who are a bit special and are involved in everything and the rest of the team turns into a delivery mechanism for them.
I agree,
it was the selling of school pitches that I was saying isn't a viable excuse for the state of our game, although I do think its a crime
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Only a very small part of the justification for retaining school sports ground lies in supporting a successful school team and having some ultimate positive effect upon the country's professional sports. Physical Education is no more a nice to have in the school curriculum than history of geography.
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PE in schools, especially at Primary level, is the latest biggie:
Link leading to more links (https://www.gov.uk/government/policies/getting-more-people-playing-sport/supporting-pages/school-pe-and-sport-funding)
We have @£9000pa to spend on sporting provision.
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We have also just been awarded the Youth Sport Trust Gold Status as well as Sainsbury's School Sport Silver Kitemark. Knackering, but worthwhile.
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2 points....
No acadamys to have players before the age of U14.
Charter Standard FA Junior football clubs to have at least 1 fully FA funded UEFA B coach working full time at each club. This is funded by any non-qualified English professional player having a levy of 10% of his wages paid to the FA (Yaya Toure £5 million wages per year = £0.5 million)
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2 points....
No acadamys to have players before the age of U14.
Charter Standard FA Junior football clubs to have at least 1 fully FA funded UEFA B coach working full time at each club. This is funded by any non-qualified English professional player having a levy of 10% of his wages paid to the FA (Yaya Toure £5 million wages per year = £0.5 million
Good luck in getting Wayne Rooney to stump up thirty grand a week to pay for coaches.
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2 points....
No acadamys to have players before the age of U14.
Charter Standard FA Junior football clubs to have at least 1 fully FA funded UEFA B coach working full time at each club. This is funded by any non-qualified English professional player having a levy of 10% of his wages paid to the FA (Yaya Toure £5 million wages per year = £0.5 million
Good luck in getting Wayne Rooney to stump up thirty grand a week to pay for coaches.
Oh I don't know, didn't he pay £200 for a packet of fags one night !
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Essentially, we need to do practically everything much better.
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You should listen to Bryan's contribution here. It's controversial vis-a-vis England. The rest of it is interesting, too.
Thanks for posting this, 'cuss.
What does he say for those that cannot listen?
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It's never going to happen, but the masses of money generated by the Premier League should be distributed throughout all levels in this country and not just kept at that level. Let's face it, one World Cup win on home soil and one semi-final suggests there problem is not a new one and something radical needs to be done to change things.
I don't particularly subscribe to the calls to concentrate only on the "grassroots", as only a tiny percentage of those playing will go on to represent the national team. What we really need is a concentration of the development of young "elite" players beyond the age of 16. There needs to be a clear pathway through the England age groups (U16s, U18's, U21s) to the national team and players need to engage, even to the point of where I would like to see clubs punished if players routinely pull out of squads.
Having been there a couple of times, I'm still really not sure how a multi million pound facility down a country lane just outside Burton is helping the national game in any way.
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when I was at school some 40 years ago, school football was where it was at, if you were good enough to play for the school team that was quite possibly the only competitive football you got until you left school and went on to play for the local pub/club
there has to be more kids playing competitive football today then ever before, every Saturday and sunday there are thousands lining up for there local sides from ages 6 upwards
I'm not saying the competitiveness is a good thing, but there is more opportunity today than there was years ago
although playing football every single night on the street or local park seems to have gone, and that might play a part
what I'm saying is that whilst selling off school sports fields is an absolute tragedy, it cant be blamed for kids not playing football or having the opportunity to do so
Those competitive games for 6-12 year olds are a big part of the problem. The key to coaching at that level is about getting lots of time with a ball and getting loads of touches. a decent sized grass pitch with 7-11 a-side means a lot of those kids are 'playing football' without actually spending much time with a ball. You get the 1-2 kids who are a bit special and are involved in everything and the rest of the team turns into a delivery mechanism for them.
Totally agree, which is why I would advocate totally changing how football is played at that age. It might sound a bit too radical, but I wouldn't even have proper games to start off with. I would simply have them playing small sided possession games in small areas, so they got used to getting on the ball and keeping it. No goals, no pitch markings, no lumping the ball up to the best kid on the team while over zealous parents scream their head off on the sidelines. Start with that and then gradually build the rest in as the kids get older.
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My eldest will be attending a private school in the UK in September - not our first choice but missed the deadline for applyinmg for state schools. However, I 'nipped' back to the Uk last week for his induction day and the size of the playing field that they have was astonsihing. When I was at my comp we didn't even have one of our own. There really is a diminshing return on children's eductaion when it comes to sport. If you have the money the classrooms or smaller (i.e children to teacher ratio), they tend to be better equipped, and the playing fields available are also either shared, or non-existant.
Maybe not for the discussion forum but it's a valid point that our success at international level is of course going to be questioned when less children have exposure to playing the game with proper facilities.
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thing is sport in schools or sport for kids in general should not be first and foremost about building the future national team,
it should be about enjoying sports of all kinds, keeping active and fit, leaning the importance of being in a team unit, whether the children are ever going to be good enough to go on proffesionally is irelevent really,
private schools always put massive importance on sport because they know its beneficial to the overall education of a child, apart from being good exercise and good fun
what I'm saying is sport in schools should be right up there with maths, English science etc,
because it important to keep kids playing sports for many other reasons than just hope one or two of them make it into the England team
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My eldest will be attending a private school in the UK in September - not our first choice but missed the deadline for applyinmg for state schools. However, I 'nipped' back to the Uk last week for his induction day and the size of the playing field that they have was astonsihing. When I was at my comp we didn't even have one of our own. There really is a diminshing return on children's eductaion when it comes to sport. If you have the money the classrooms or smaller (i.e children to teacher ratio), they tend to be better equipped, and the playing fields available are also either shared, or non-existant.
Maybe not for the discussion forum but it's a valid point that our success at international level is of course going to be questioned when less children have exposure to playing the game with proper facilities.
During the lunch break of the test match at the weekend, they had a chap in the studio who ran a company which linked schools with their local cricket club, so that they could use the facilities and the coaching there. He was saying that it has been a success and with further funding they hoped to reach even more children. I don't see why something like that could not be done with football, especially as most schools are within reach of a football club. As I said before, the money is there to do something like this, it just needs to be distributed better.
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thing is sport in schools or sport for kids in general should not be first and foremost about building the future national team,
it should be about enjoying sports of all kinds, keeping active and fit, leaning the importance of being in a team unit, whether the children are ever going to be good enough to go on proffesionally is irelevent really,
private schools always put massive importance on sport because they know its beneficial to the overall education of a child, apart from being good exercise and good fun
what I'm saying is sport in schools should be right up there with maths, English science etc,
because it important to keep kids playing sports for many other reasons than just hope one or two of them make it into the England team
I agree, which is why I feel discussions about the national team which focus on grassroots and schools are misguided.
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My youngest son is still at school! They are just building a sports centre on the playing fields so they can hire it out to the community!
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Wayne Rooney or more to the point, his employers do not have to pay a 10% wage levy. He is qualified English.
Maths;
20 Premier League Teams
25 Squad Players per team
Average wage £1 millon per year
40% English qualified leaving 60% paying a 10% levy.
15 players (non English) x £1 million x 20 teams @ 10% = £30 million.
Thats £1.5M from each club on average - a small price to pay bearing in mind they get £60M before they start. £30M based on a £30K wage = 1000 new coaches.
Or we can continue down the same road..........
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But it's the same argument that leads from to the other - regarding kids and available facilities.
It's unlikley that there are unknown football superstars because of the games worldwide audience and participation. There maybe the best cricketer ever born living and residing in Ulan Bator, Phnom Penh, or Gabarone but because they do not have exposure to the game, and may not have even seen it, it is unlikley that this world talent will ever come to the fore. The best ever cricketer might not be Australian, basketball player American, hurling player Irish etc etc but limiting access limits the pool of talent.
It's the same with children. Yes it should be about access to sport for all but this isn't a thread about kids enjoting sport unless we take it off to off topic. As it's about football I'll keep the point relevant to that. If we limit children's access at a young age it limits those that can to progress to school football teams, after school clubs, competitive teams at the right age, and so on. Yes most will get through if they are good enough, but if they aren't interested due to not having the appropriate time and equipmet devoted to them then we as a football nation will start to suffer.
This is somethiong that will take 20 years or so to see, and we've had 20 years or so of playing fields being sold, 20 years or so of teachers being stretched and not being able to devote time for sports, 20 years or so of teachers not being qualified enough to impart any knowledge on the sport they may be conducting at the school - i.e non-qualified basketball, cricket, football coaches. IOt is bound to have an effect sooner or later.
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Having been there a couple of times, I'm still really not sure how a multi million pound facility down a country lane just outside Burton is helping the national game in any way.
It opened at the end of 2012. I'm not sure what results you would expect to see from it at this point.
It's not going to suddenly mean that the current Danny Wellbeck or Jordan Henderson now play like Angel Di Maria and Toni Kroos, but it might mean that current eight year olds turn into better players than Danny Wellbeck and Jordan Henderson.
It could also turn into a giant, irrelevent white elephant - but I don't think the first 18 months of it's existence is the time to judge it.
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Wayne Rooney or more to the point, his employers do not have to pay a 10% wage levy. He is qualified English.
Maths;
20 Premier League Teams
25 Squad Players per team
Average wage £1 millon per year
40% English qualified leaving 60% paying a 10% levy.
15 players (non English) x £1 million x 20 teams @ 10% = £30 million.
Thats £1.5M from each club on average - a small price to pay bearing in mind they get £60M before they start. £30M based on a £30K wage = 1000 new coaches.
Or we can continue down the same road..........
I'd give it a day at most before one of these non-english players who is being forced to pay a 10% tax on the basis of their nationality start legal proceedings for what would be a clear case of discrimination.
The better solution, if money really is the problem, would be for 5% of the TV money which is given to the premier league (an subsequently to clubs) be held back and used for that purpose, basically get sky, etc to pay directly in to an improved coaching structure. The key though is using those coaches correctly, as mentioned above, the absolute first thing they need to do is get rid of all competition (outside schools) for under 14s.
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The 'problem' with that is that u-14 competitioins are sanctioned by the FA.
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It would have helped if we hadn't spent £800 million on a stadium that wasn't needed.
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My youngest son is still at school! They are just building a sports centre on the playing fields so they can hire it out to the community!
My 2 kids are at an inner city primary school ( famous alumni include Ian Wright, Shaun Wright Philips and Maxi Priest) and there is no playing field, just a small concrete playground. The local secodndary which they will go to is the same. It reminds me of the recreation yard at Alcatraz.
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My eldest will be attending a private school in the UK in September - not our first choice but missed the deadline for applyinmg for state schools. However, I 'nipped' back to the Uk last week for his induction day and the size of the playing field that they have was astonsihing. When I was at my comp we didn't even have one of our own. There really is a diminshing return on children's eductaion when it comes to sport. If you have the money the classrooms or smaller (i.e children to teacher ratio), they tend to be better equipped, and the playing fields available are also either shared, or non-existant.
Maybe not for the discussion forum but it's a valid point that our success at international level is of course going to be questioned when less children have exposure to playing the game with proper facilities.
I read something the other day regarding the London Olympians statng that 41% of our Olympic athletes in 2012 came from private schools, i.e. 7% of the school-going population.
I like the idea of a TV money levy to supplement spending on facilities/coaching provision in schools. It is what the PL would be doing anyway if there was any sense.
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You should listen to Bryan's contribution here. It's controversial vis-a-vis England. The rest of it is interesting, too.
Thanks for posting this, 'cuss.
What does he say for those that cannot listen?
He doesn't make any reference to them!
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My youngest son is still at school! They are just building a sports centre on the playing fields so they can hire it out to the community!
My 2 kids are at an inner city primary school ( famous alumni include Ian Wright, Shaun Wright Philips and Maxi Priest) and there is no playing field, just a small concrete playground. The local secodndary which they will go to is the same. It reminds me of the recreation yard at Alcatraz.
At least that means there's hope for a future generation of Tunnel Engineers and papier mache artists.
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My eldest will be attending a private school in the UK in September - not our first choice but missed the deadline for applyinmg for state schools. However, I 'nipped' back to the Uk last week for his induction day and the size of the playing field that they have was astonsihing. When I was at my comp we didn't even have one of our own. There really is a diminshing return on children's eductaion when it comes to sport. If you have the money the classrooms or smaller (i.e children to teacher ratio), they tend to be better equipped, and the playing fields available are also either shared, or non-existant.
Maybe not for the discussion forum but it's a valid point that our success at international level is of course going to be questioned when less children have exposure to playing the game with proper facilities.
I read something the other day regarding the London Olympians statng that 41% of our Olympic athletes in 2012 came from private schools, i.e. 7% of the school-going population.
I like the idea of a TV money levy to supplement spending on facilities/coaching provision in schools. It is what the PL would be doing anyway if there was any sense.
A lot of our success was in sports that a large portion of the world don't or can't really compete in. There are barriers to entry in sports like rowing, equestrianism and cycling that aren't really there for football or track athletics. These barriers are both for working class and poorer sections of our society as well as most of the less-developed world.
Football is truly the world game, and provided you can get hold of a ball or something resembling a ball, even the poorest countries can put out a team.
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My youngest son is still at school! They are just building a sports centre on the playing fields so they can hire it out to the community!
My 2 kids are at an inner city primary school ( famous alumni include Ian Wright, Shaun Wright Philips and Maxi Priest) and there is no playing field, just a small concrete playground. The local secodndary which they will go to is the same. It reminds me of the recreation yard at Alcatraz.
At least that means there's hope for a future generation of Tunnel Engineers and papier mache artists.
the actual Alcatraz escapees were never found,
they either drowned and there bodies never washed up, or they made it and could still be around
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My youngest son is still at school! They are just building a sports centre on the playing fields so they can hire it out to the community!
My 2 kids are at an inner city primary school ( famous alumni include Ian Wright, Shaun Wright Philips and Maxi Priest) and there is no playing field, just a small concrete playground. The local secodndary which they will go to is the same. It reminds me of the recreation yard at Alcatraz.
At least that means there's hope for a future generation of Tunnel Engineers and papier mache artists.
Indeed! My son loves his football with a passion, but has chosen drama as his major after school activity as he has more chance of getting a game as the football pitches get built on!
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My youngest son is still at school! They are just building a sports centre on the playing fields so they can hire it out to the community!
My 2 kids are at an inner city primary school ( famous alumni include Ian Wright, Shaun Wright Philips and Maxi Priest) and there is no playing field, just a small concrete playground. The local secodndary which they will go to is the same. It reminds me of the recreation yard at Alcatraz.
At one of my junior schools, St Chad's in Newtown (also attended by peter w I believe), we only had a yard, no field. Double decker buses used to ferry us off to the park on Thursday afternoon to run around like nutters. We were too crazed by the freedom to run around in open air to work on skills, we just wanted to let off steam.
Our school team was shit.
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Having been there a couple of times, I'm still really not sure how a multi million pound facility down a country lane just outside Burton is helping the national game in any way.
It opened at the end of 2012. I'm not sure what results you would expect to see from it at this point.
It's not going to suddenly mean that the current Danny Wellbeck or Jordan Henderson now play like Angel Di Maria and Toni Kroos, but it might mean that current eight year olds turn into better players than Danny Wellbeck and Jordan Henderson.
It could also turn into a giant, irrelevent white elephant - but I don't think the first 18 months of it's existence is the time to judge it.
Nobody's expecting instant results, but it was heralded as something that was going to change the game in this country. I just can't see how it will. It really is in the middle of nowhere and I just can't see how many of the eight year olds you mention are going to be able to access it. There are already mutterings that some in the England set up think it is too far from Wembley.
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Quote from: spartacuss on June 25, 2014, 02:41:14 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b047wfym
What he says about the current England team and future W.C. prospects is controversial to say the least... but needs to be said loud and long.
What does he say?
He says:
1. "England will not win the World Cup in the next 15 - 20 years."
2. "I hate to say this, but I'm disappointed that they qualified for the World Cup because I think it needs a jolt; somewhere along the line, it needs a serious jolt for people to sit back and someone to say, 'Hang on, this isn't right!'
3. "I would say that 50% of that side aren't world class and 50% are extremely average and they have come through the present academy system."
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Having been there a couple of times, I'm still really not sure how a multi million pound facility down a country lane just outside Burton is helping the national game in any way.
It opened at the end of 2012. I'm not sure what results you would expect to see from it at this point.
It's not going to suddenly mean that the current Danny Wellbeck or Jordan Henderson now play like Angel Di Maria and Toni Kroos, but it might mean that current eight year olds turn into better players than Danny Wellbeck and Jordan Henderson.
It could also turn into a giant, irrelevent white elephant - but I don't think the first 18 months of it's existence is the time to judge it.
Nobody's expecting instant results, but it was heralded as something that was going to change the game in this country. I just can't see how it will. It really is in the middle of nowhere and I just can't see how many of the eight year olds you mention are going to be able to access it. There are already mutterings that some in the England set up think it is too far from Wembley.
That's not it's purpose so how many 8 year olds can get there is neither here or there. What's important is that the people coaching and teaching those 8 year olds have somewhere to learn modern coaching techniques giving them the ability to produce players with rounded technical skills. As mentioned above, youre looking at 3-4 years from now before that coaching really becomes embedded and then wait for those 8-12 year olds to start breaking through.
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What is galling is that the FA Premiership was originally set up to do all these things and help the national team. I'm going to try and find the original charter because it very quickly lost it's way, greedily stuffing it's snout into the Sky trough along with the players and agents.
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I'm probably going a bit off subject here but I feel the problems and lack of National success lies with:
1) the quality and mentality of coaching in this country,
2) the type of player we push,
3) as a country the ethos of how we play the game.
4) a lack of leadership and balls within the FA,
5) Who controls football in this country.
Football in this country has always been played at 100mph, high on energy, not to high on skill.
As a footballing nation we have this misguided, arrogant notion that the way we play the game is right, and we know better than everyone else, we never take on any alternative suggestions as to how we could improve the quality of players in this country, we just bury our heads in the sand and carry on in the same way. The result is that we have won nothing at international level for nearly 50 years and are unlikely to win anything in the next 50 years if we carry on the same way.
The players of today may be fitter but they are not better players. We have steadily declined since 1966, the last good national side we had was 1990.
Some people will then argue "oh well our clubs have been successful in the Champions League". To a degree they have, but most are filled with foreign players and that's another topic on its own. Our top league has something like 60 to 65% foreign players, a figure that has steadily increased year on year. In the first season of the Premier League there were only 13, yes 13 foreign players start in the first games. I bet in the final PL games of last season there were probably not many more than 13 English players starting games.
The other problem in this country is the money grabbing FA Premier League. They have to much power and basically run football in this country. They pay lip service to the National team but in reality they don't give a shit. All they care about is their self promotion and financial greed. I prefer to call them the "Fuck All except us Premier League".
We need the controlling body namely The Football Association to merge with the Football League and then have the balls to say, "right this is what we are going to do to develop our English players and ultimately the National team. if you don't come on board then piss off and play somewhere else". However that's hardly likely to happen however much I would welcome it.
I think the Premier League has become boring, there's no competition anymore. For the majority of fans it's not a question of can my team win the league this season, it's can we hopefully get into the top 6, or like us Villa fans can we stay in the bloody league. What a fucking bore, whats the point.
And then you get these wanking Managers who have bust a gut to get into Europe then play a bloody reserve team in Europe and get knocked out. Aka Martin fucking O'neil. the twat. Or they moan about the number of games they have to play. And why, because they're shit scared of going out of the moneybags league.
The money teams sign players they have no intention of playing then loan them out for someone else to develop. And when that player comes good they just take them back and gloat about how they signed them up and developed them. Lets fuck them off and let them go and play in some super league.
Apologies for the progressive rant but the more I thought and wrote the more pissed off and annoyed I got.
It's not ludicrous amounts of money that create good players and a successful National side. If it was we'd be world champions.
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Not wishing to quote a lengthy post when I only want to take issue with one part of it, but the FA and the Premier League are two separate entities. The FA is the game's governing body in England and ostensibly control all leagues in the same way. The Premier League is owned and controlled by its member clubs.
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Not wishing to quote a lengthy post when I only want to take issue with one part of it, but the FA and the Premier League are two separate entities. The FA is the game's governing body in England and ostensibly control all leagues in the same way. The Premier League is owned and controlled by its member clubs.
Apologies for the previous lengthy quote. Sometimes you cant say what you feel in a couple of short sentences.
Well the premier League gate crashed its way into power in 1992. All I'm saying is why can't the FA and FL as a joint force do the same. I may be wrong but it's the FA that FIFA and UEFA recognise as the controlling bodies in this country so I assume it would be the FA and any partner like the FL who would be recognised by the World and European bodies. hence teams playing in their league would gain entry to the European competitions.
The FA may have many critics but they do help and promote grass roots football. Perhaps with a bit more cash from sponsorship the money could be better distributed than it has been.
Instead of the major clubs dictating everything lets get the controlling power back to where it was pre 1992.
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Not wishing to quote a lengthy post when I only want to take issue with one part of it, but the FA and the Premier League are two separate entities. The FA is the game's governing body in England and ostensibly control all leagues in the same way. The Premier League is owned and controlled by its member clubs.
I would also disagree with the assertion that the last good national team was in 1990. The team of Euro 1996 was a good side, with most of the starting XI in their peak years. The midfield 3 of Platt, Ince, and Gascoigne were in their late 20's and of course there was the partnership of Shearer and Sheringham up front.
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When i was back in Brum two years ago i was dismayed to see the changes to Perry Barr Park, the area that we used for Suday festival league matches and school football let alone our street get togethers has been taken up by a not vey attractive stadium, things change i know but the big open space has gone forever.
Down here we have the opposite problem, everything revolves around sport and gambling, the A.I.S is very well funded, at a local level you can pick a sport and find a find a club close to home that is very cheap to join. Private schools have a clear advantage over public schools with regard to financing and facilities much to the detriment of public schools.
I really don't care much about the England team anymore the emotion has disappeared, wish i could say the same about Villa.
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Not wishing to quote a lengthy post when I only want to take issue with one part of it, but the FA and the Premier League are two separate entities. The FA is the game's governing body in England and ostensibly control all leagues in the same way. The Premier League is owned and controlled by its member clubs.
I would also disagree with the assertion that the last good national team was in 1990. The team of Euro 1996 was a good side, with most of the starting XI in their peak years. The midfield 3 of Platt, Ince, and Gascoigne were in their late 20's and of course there was the partnership of Shearer and Sheringham up front.
Platt and Gascoinge were also in the 1990 team (not sure if Platt was actually in the starting 11), you also had Lineker, Barnes, Beardsley, with Mark Wright, Des Walker and Terry Butcher in defence. Plus we go to the semi final of the world cup only failing on penalties.
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When i was back in Brum two years ago i was dismayed to see the changes to Perry Barr Park, the area that we used for Suday festival league matches and school football let alone our street get togethers has been taken up by a not vey attractive stadium
Do you mean the Alexander Stadium?
In fairness, it has been there for very nearly 40 years, so it's hardly surprising time has moved on!
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This is slightly off topic but I was reading an article about the Ivory Coast and how nearly all their players come through a private academy where their education and football are all taken care of. I may be merging this slightly with the academies they started in Belgium (also education and football establishments) however the point remains the same. In both instances the sheer amount and quality of coaching far exceed anything that a kid would get in this country. Until we can offer this we will always be behind other countries.
This is from the BBC discuss (I assume) the same academy in IC:
"From 05:45 to 22:00, five days a week, every hour of the day is meticulously laid out: football practice, fitness sessions, school, study time and then bed."
One day, hopefully, all PE teachers will be qualified (i.e. some FA recognised badge similar to the UEFA badges). Furthermore enthusiastic teachers should be allowed/encouraged to attend the courses. St Georges Park should be able to provide this over time however I am unsure that there is capacity in the teaching profession for teachers to be given time off to train and hone their coaching skills.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-27835600
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We have also just been awarded the Youth Sport Trust Gold Status as well as Sainsbury's School Sport Silver Kitemark. Knackering, but worthwhile.
Very good. Well done.