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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on June 18, 2014, 07:25:21 PM
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League: 16th
FA Cup: Quarter-finals
League Cup: Quarter-finals
Yes, I'm bored.
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10th, League cup winners, FA cup 4th rd
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League : 12th
F.A. Cup : 3rd round
League Cup : 5th round
Fan's Player of the season: Joe Cole
Player's player of the season: Alex Tovev
Young player of the season: Lewis Kinsella
Top scorer. Andi Weimann
Most improved player : Antonio Luna
Premier League status mathematically assured : 21 March
Errrm, can't think of anything else to put
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League: 19th
FA Cup: 4th Round
League Cup: 3rd Round
Birmingham Senior Cup: declined to enter.
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League: 17th
FA Cup: 4th round
League Cup: 4th round
Player of the Season (all categories): Emile Heskey
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League: 1st
FA Cup: W
LC: W
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Scotland votes 95% YES for Independence.
Interest rates rocket to 30% by Xmas.
Peace envoy Tony Blair flies to Iraq and solves all their problems.
Nigel Farage and UKIP have a landslide victory in the General election and form the next government.
Villa record their first League and Cup double since 1897.
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League : 10th
F.A. Cup : 3rd round
League Cup : semis
Scandal of the season: Alan Hutton going AWOL in holland
Goal of the season: Donacien , diving header from 20 yards
Game of the season: Yanited home 3-0 win
Most injured : tie : Cole / Okore / Vlaar
Most improved bomb squad player : shay
Best away day: burley
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League - Relegated
Cups - Nowhere
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A tough one to predict so early. On paper we are a lot stronger than we finished the season with Okore, Kozak, N'Zogbia and even the likes of Bent and Hutton likely to offer more than a Bowery or an out of form Lowton. Plus we finally have somebody capable in creating with Cole. I am not sure how much the likes of the promoted clubs or the Hulls and West Brom's have improved to create such pessimism? I doubt any of them have to be honest and I doubt any of them have a Benteke to pop up at Christmas either. Maybe I am well out of affairs though? I am after all typing this from a room over looking the rising sun over Whitsunday Island. Perhaps the axis of Albrighton and Dave Nugent is irresistible?
Lots of clubs will be strengthening, we may well be under new ownership before the end of the window, we may have new ownership before the January window and be shopping in a whole other bracket. Far too early to say I guess.
Apart from the FA Cup, 2015 is definitely our year.
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Right now:
League 19th
FA Cup 3rd Round
League Cup Quarter final
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Cups = sod all.
League = unless we bring in three more quality players, relegation with Burnley and Albion.
Wake up Randy. Protect your investment.
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League (if we can sign 3-4 more and be luckier with injuries)- 12th
FA Cup- Quarters.
League Cup- Our name's on the trophy. Fuck it, I'll be optimistic. We're due.
Top Scorer- Kojak.
Surprise of the season- Joe Cole.
Player Of The Season- Delph again.
Young Player of The Season- Grealish (I hope).
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League: Better than most seem to expect.
League Cup: Better than last season.
FA Cup: Better not start dreaming about that again.
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There's not really much point in speculating about our cup progress, it all depends on who we get in the draw. If we get some minnow like Norwich, I'll fancy our chances, but if we get one of the game's giants, like Man United, Liverpool, Bradford or Sheffield United, we'll likely go out.
I honestly think I'd settle for a non-embarassing, low-score elimination against a decent Premier League team, preferably away from home.
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If we remain in limbo at the start of the season with an owner who does not want to own us, a manager (with the exception of those in denial and trolls) we do not want and a budget that restricts us to loans and frees we are relegated next season and anything else is an irrelevance. If we are sold and new owners and a new manager are in place by the start of the season, which I think is extremely unlikely, the damage done to the club in the last five years can start to be repaired and mid table should be achievable.
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On a marginally brighter note my expectations are that there may be an internal revolt a couple of months into the season if the present hiatus continues and Lambert will be sacked in late October early November and Keane will be given the job of keeping us up.
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Vlaar injured and out for six months. Club Not sold. Club Relegated. Lambert to resign by christmas which will make things worse.
Positives. Tonev will score.
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League 20th
FA Cup 5th Round
League Cup 3rd Round loss to a minnow
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As others say, if we stay on the same shape, I think we're goners.
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I'll predict with some confidence that we'll get zero points in September.
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I predict we will lose 19 games in the league, draw 9 and win 10....and survive with the last win coming against Burnley.
I prefer not to think about the cups in this era, the manager doesn't either!
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League: 19th
FA Cup: Final
League Cup: 2nd Round
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League: 14th
FA Cup: JUST WIN IT!
League Cup: round 3
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What do people reckon our aggregate defeat in Manchester will be this year?
Last 4 seasons it's been 7-1, 8-1, 8-0 and 8-1!
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League: Relegation (any one of the three positions)
League Cup: Semi-Final
FA Cup: 4th Round
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League: 10th
League Cup: Final
FA Cup: Semi
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League: 19th
League Cup: 4th round
FA Cup: 3rd round
An even more miserable season than last year - at least the away kit is nice ................
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I now harbour very little hope of us being sold. I therefore predict Lambert will remain in charge although i think the fans will be on his back from day one. Despite wanting him gone, we will not get rid of him anytime soon so he has my support....for now
I hope expectations are sufficiently lowered so that we all accept 17th will be a good return for us. I predict a loooooong season....
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What do people reckon our aggregate defeat in Manchester will be this year?
Last 4 seasons it's been 7-1, 8-1, 8-0 and 8-1!
9-1 then
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12th
3rd Round FA Cup
Semi Final League Cup
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I've never understood the League cup, and this from someone who's never seen us win anything. I'd scrap it and make the FA Cup more special, people always moan about fixtures. I know I'm going to get a lot of 'it gives the small clubs a chance' but I just think tough shit, do it in the FA Cup. I'm probably being too harsh but I'm never excited about the league cup. Obviously I'd love us to win it but, for me, it's just a poor mans FA Cup, like the Europa League is to the Champions League.
League: 13th
League Cup: Winners
FA Cup: 5th round
Relegated: Baggies, QPR (please) and Burnley.
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The league cup is the third opportunity for potentially a third club to win silver ware. the more goes you have at winning something the more chance you have of winning something (generally).
i will accept us not doing anything in the cups this year, for our premiership survival.
15th
2nd round league cup
3rd round fa cup
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17th win last game v burrnley who get relegated instead
LC 5th
Fuck All cup Fuck All
high scorer Kozak 8 goals
Player of the season Hutton
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League: 17th
FAC: 4th Round (Home to QPR)
LC: 5th Round (Away at Middlesboro)
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League 18th
League Cup 4th Round
FA Cup 3rd Round
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League - Declined to participate
League Cup - Team didn't turn up
FA Cup - Team did turn up but at wrong stadium
Player of the Season - Senderos for playing keep uppy for more than 3 minutes
Whereas in a parellel universe...
League - 14th
League Cup - QF
FA Cup - 5th Round. Wahey!
Player of the Season - Benteke
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League: 16th
FA Cup: 4th rd
League Cup: round 3
Relegated
Burnley,Swansea,WBA
Player of the season Vlaar
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All of your predictions are irrelevant because last night I dreamt we finished stone bonk bottom. In fact, there's pretty much no point us even playing any games now that Nostrotimvilla has spoken. Shame really, because I fancied Burnley away.
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Taking away the 2/3 miracle results last season we were by far the worst team in the division.
Whilst the signings so far have been ok I don't see them improving us enough to avoid the inevitable.
As we stand I see us being relegated with 2 of 3 that were promoted
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Goals and points will be hard to come by.
Entertainment will be at a premium.
It will rain a lot.
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Taking away the 2/3 miracle results last season we were by far the worst team in the division.
Whilst the signings so far have been ok I don't see them improving us enough to avoid the inevitable.
As we stand I see us being relegated with 2 of 3 that were promoted
Take away all our points and we'd have had none.
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This is the season that bites us in the ass
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Dreamt last night that we were bottom and Richard Keys was saying if we went down it would be the first time we've ben relegated in the Premier League" and in my dream I was saying "oh fuck of your Coventry wanker, you'd love that".
Worse still, O'Leary took over and our results picked up....
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Totally underwhelmed by signings so far but with Okore & N'Zogbia back as well I think we'll be OK as long as we hang on to Vlaar & Delph (at least we shouldn't see Baker or KEA every week). Goals scarce but Benteke to ride to the rescue in January.
League 15th
Leugue Cup 3rd round
FA Cup 4th round (yay!)
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Taking away the 2/3 miracle results last season we were by far the worst team in the division.
Whilst the signings so far have been ok I don't see them improving us enough to avoid the inevitable.
As we stand I see us being relegated with 2 of 3 that were promoted
Take away all our points and we'd have had none.
Win them all and we'd win the league. We didn't, but we did pull off some results that, based on how they went, were near miracles (Man City, Chelsea, Southampton).
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Taking away the 2/3 miracle results last season we were by far the worst team in the division.
Whilst the signings so far have been ok I don't see them improving us enough to avoid the inevitable.
As we stand I see us being relegated with 2 of 3 that were promoted
Take away all our points and we'd have had none.
Win them all and we'd win the league. We didn't, but we did pull off some results that, based on how they went, were near miracles (Man City, Chelsea, Southampton).
You mean the Chelsea game where we outplayed them and the others where we scored three goals in each? Those miracles?
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I think he means miracles in that we finished so poorly and they all did well in the league, so it was a huge shock that we won those games.
Particularly Chelsea, we were the better team.
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The Golds sell West Ham and buy us.
O'Leary is DOF.
Downing is manager.
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You should not even say things like that as a joke. There are people on here of a very nervous disposition.
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But at least we'd get to play all our home games in the Olympic Stadium.
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Taking away the 2/3 miracle results last season we were by far the worst team in the division.
Whilst the signings so far have been ok I don't see them improving us enough to avoid the inevitable.
As we stand I see us being relegated with 2 of 3 that were promoted
Take away all our points and we'd have had none.
Win them all and we'd win the league. We didn't, but we did pull off some results that, based on how they went, were near miracles (Man City, Chelsea, Southampton).
Most clubs get unexpected results from time to time. Look at Sunderland's run at the end of the season.
Cardiff beat Man City. Stoke beat Chelsea and Arsenal. Hull beat Liverpool.
I reckon if Palace hadn't scored a miracle goal with their only shot at Villa Park, they'd have gone down. That win gave them the momentum to put a run together.
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Palace will struggle this coming season. They really are no great shakes at all.
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Taking away the 2/3 miracle results last season we were by far the worst team in the division.
Whilst the signings so far have been ok I don't see them improving us enough to avoid the inevitable.
As we stand I see us being relegated with 2 of 3 that were promoted
Take away all our points and we'd have had none.
Win them all and we'd win the league. We didn't, but we did pull off some results that, based on how they went, were near miracles (Man City, Chelsea, Southampton).
You mean the Chelsea game where we outplayed them and the others where we scored three goals in each? Those miracles?
With the best will in the world I can't honestly say we weren't extremely lucky against City and Southampton. We played far better against Everton at home and ended up losing. That's football.
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Palace will struggle this coming season. They really are no great shakes at all.
Like West Ham, I think with Pulis and Allardyce in charge they'll stay up. Take those two out of the equation and i'd have them both in the bottom five places.
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Given where we are in terms of ownership, budget and playing staff we will as usual be making up the numbers.
Marginally better than last season.
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Taking away the 2/3 miracle results last season we were by far the worst team in the division.
Whilst the signings so far have been ok I don't see them improving us enough to avoid the inevitable.
As we stand I see us being relegated with 2 of 3 that were promoted
Take away all our points and we'd have had none.
Win them all and we'd win the league. We didn't, but we did pull off some results that, based on how they went, were near miracles (Man City, Chelsea, Southampton).
You mean the Chelsea game where we outplayed them and the others where we scored three goals in each? Those miracles?
With the best will in the world I can't honestly say we weren't extremely lucky against City and Southampton. We played far better against Everton at home and ended up losing. That's football.
Exactly. That's football - yet some of our supporters are the first to downcry our results and forget everyone else's.
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It's going to be close, but I just about believe there are still 3 worse teams than us, just.
What's worrying is if we really are deep in the shit come the turn of the year there's probably little or nothing Lambert will be able to do about it in the transfer market if we remain unsold.
This is what 3 or 4 years of neglect has led to, if we cling onto Premier League status then I'll be pleased and very surprised. Prove me wrong Villa.
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Prem - 10th
that bastard FA Cup - WIN !!
League Cup - semi's
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This is all a bit of fun I know, but it is too early for this kind of thing. So for now I'm just saying what I said awhile ago than if we don't learn from out mistakes we will go down sooner rather than later, and at the moment it looks like it might be this season. Who knows though, if Joe Cole can stay fit and produce some of his past form, we get the right balance up front and improve at the back then we could be fine, but at the moment I am not too confident. Cups are hard to predict if we take them more serious this time and get some good draws then we could do something. I will make concrete predictions closer to the season.
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Prem - 10th
that bastard FA Cup - WIN !!
League Cup - semi's
If that happened then I would be literally orgasmic.
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League - 14th
League Cup - Quarter Finalists
FA Cup - Winners and I die the day after as there is nothing left for me to live for...
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League: 19th
FA Cup: 3rd round
League Cup: 2nd round
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14th
LC 4th round
FA Cup Winners
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I can see a team capable of staying up but if we have less than good luck on injuries and don't get the absolute best out of what we've got then relegation.
Cups? Early exits to lower league opposition.
On the other hand if we have a new quality owner sharpish....
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I'm totally confident we will win.
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Still too early to predict, but the early signs of pre-season have not been too good, but still cannot say until we sign another couple of players (assuming we do) and until the futures of Vlaar, Delph etc.. are sorted. If we keep said players and add a couple more decent ones then I think we should stay up, but who knows at this point.
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It's going to be a horrible, painful season.
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It's going to be a horrible, painful season.
That's the spirit.
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It's going to be a horrible, painful season.
That's the spirit.
It will be worse than that, apparently.
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Prem - 10th
that bastard FA Cup - WIN !!
League Cup - semi's
If that happened then I would be literally orgasmic.
you just have to believe Richard E ;)
UTV
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League - 20th
FA Cup- 4th Round
Lg Cup- 4th Round
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I know it might be horrible and might end in tears but 20th?
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a bit harsh, what about 19th?.
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League 17th
Fa Cup 4th round
League Cup 4th round
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League 19th
FA Cup 4th Rd
League Cup 3rd Round
Lambert sacked by Christmas, Keane no. 1.
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I know we're really, really, ridiculously shit, but I doubt we'll come 20th, or even 19th.
18th.
At this stage though, it's not the most accurate time to be making predictions. As for the cups, as the manager doesn't give a shit, I won't be for the time being. Wasted effort.
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I know we're really, really, ridiculously shit, but I doubt we'll come 20th, or even 19th.
18th.
At this stage though, it's not the most accurate time to be making predictions. As for the cups, as the manager doesn't give a shit, I won't be for the time being. Wasted effort.
Still relegated though.
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I know it might be horrible and might end in tears but 20th?
A more realistic prediction than mid table, I would say.
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We won't be the worst - 18th.
Cups - early exit from both except for possibly another humiliation from a lower league side in the SF of the LC.
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Can't see us going down, but it'll definitely be another relegation scrap.
It's annoying because just 3 or 4 decent players and we'd be top half easy.
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League: 1st
FA Cup: W
LC: W
Well.
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League 21st
FA Cup 2nd Round
League Cup 1st Round
But we qualify for Europa league through the Fair Play thingy, get me another Jack!
Or
League 15th
FA Cup 5th Round
League Cup 4th Round
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League: 1st
FA Cup: W
LC: W
Well.
Well anything can happen right?
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League 21st
FA Cup 2nd Round
League Cup 1st Round
But we qualify for Europa league through the Fair Play thingy, get me another Jack!
Or
League 15th
FA Cup 5th Round
League Cup 4th Round
Talk about hedging your bets...
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I don't think I've ever been as pessimistic at this stage of a season
I have to say I'm struggling to think of three teams that look definitely weaker than us
Burnley, Leicester and then maybe palace?
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I think Leicester will be ok. Can see them spending a few quid. Palace will stay up, Pulis is boring but effective. Fancy Hull to struggle, they don't have a big enough squad to play in Europe. I can see West Brom being crap and maybe Southampton taking a while to recover from all the upheaval of this Summer.
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I think Burnley and 2 from us, Albion, Swansea and Hull. Bruce is a decent manager until he is given money and he seems to have a bit more to spend.
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At best we are a mid table team with mid table management, at worst we are relegation fodder. I think we'll end up somewhere between the two, somewhere between 12th and 15th.
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But you do worry about us for next season at the moment and of course there is still a lot of time to go regarding transfers so I'm not predicting doom at this point. But...there was an air of optimism at teh start of last season and we looked battle hardened at the start of the season until we got to Newcastle at home. It seems that starting the season on a bit of a downer couldbe catestrophic by the time we get to September. Still, as I said, lots of time to go yet and the transfers are only now starting to go through.
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We quite easily played our best football last season against the top sides, which would suggest we're a better outfit than some of the awful defeats to Palace, Fulham, Stoke etc indicated.
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We quite easily played our best football last season against the top sides, which would suggest we're a better outfit than some of the awful defeats to Palace, Fulham, Stoke etc indicated.
But as Liverpool have proven it is often easy to raise your game against the top sides, and then go missing against the smaller ones. That is a big part of why we were in so much trouble last season.
I tend to think Palace will be fine again, not sure they'll repeat their finish from last time, but Pulis is so good at working at that level, and if he adds two or three decent signings then I don't see them as having too much of a problem.
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It's the inability to get the ball down and play against teams that should be considered our rivals that's the massive concern for me
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I don't think I've ever been as pessimistic at this stage of a season
I have to say I'm struggling to think of three teams that look definitely weaker than us
Burnley, Leicester and then maybe palace?
With West Brom in free transfer mode and an awful managerial appointment they'll be down there with us for sure.
I think if Hull progress in europe they'll struggle.
As much as I can't stand them, I think QPR will be comfortable.
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Palace will get off to a reasonable start and then struggle.
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Villa prediction - See any of the last few seasons. That said, there's easily 6-8 clubs in the same boat or worse.
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We quite easily played our best football last season against the top sides, which would suggest we're a better outfit than some of the awful defeats to Palace, Fulham, Stoke etc indicated.
Ads- I'm sorry but this is another one-eyed statement. Why would our good performances against the top sides be any more of an indicator than our poor ones against the lower teams? It's shows that we're capable of sporadic decent performances league football is all about sustained and consistent performances against all other teams, not just a couple. You finish where you deserve to in the league and we finished 15th. we're a no-better-outfit than that, I'm afraid.
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my worry is that we might be getting very nostalgic for 15th come Christmas
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We quite easily played our best football last season against the top sides, which would suggest we're a better outfit than some of the awful defeats to Palace, Fulham, Stoke etc indicated.
Ads- I'm sorry but this is another one-eyed statement. Why would our good performances against the top sides be any more of an indicator than our poor ones against the lower teams? It's shows that we're capable of sporadic decent performances league football is all about sustained and consistent performances against all other teams, not just a couple. You finish where you deserve to in the league and we finished 15th. we're a no-better-outfit than that, I'm afraid.
It's not one eyed in the slightest. We have shown that the team are capable of passing the ball, moving off the ball and being direct against the better midfields and defences of this league. Our inability to get close to replicating that against the poorest sides is fairly inexplicable, but clearly the causal factor in us being in a poor position last year.
There are probably a lot of reasons; an inability to rotate the likes of Andi who were rank out of form for a long time, an inability to keep our best players fit, to have the midfield balanced in such a way as to use the space the better sides will vacate by attacking us that is closed off by less adventurous teams etc
Last season was not a complete disaster. It was pure mid-table fare until the Chelsea result, where we collapsed spectacularly into a relegation battle. I have not suggested that we were better than 15th, merely that we should have done a lot better.
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We are signing journeymen. OK they may have premier league experience but they are dross.
Hopefully good enough to keep us up, but I've seen better squads relegated.
We need randy gone soon.
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I have not suggested that we were better than 15th, merely that we should have done a lot better.
It's that bit which worries me. I said last season that most of our players are mentally weak: when the pressure's off them - when they're expected to lose - they play well and get results against all expectation. But when the pressure is on them to beat sides, particularly poor opposition, they seem to go to pieces.
Just a theory but it might explain our dismal home form.
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We quite easily played our best football last season against the top sides, which would suggest we're a better outfit than some of the awful defeats to Palace, Fulham, Stoke etc indicated.
Ads- I'm sorry but this is another one-eyed statement. Why would our good performances against the top sides be any more of an indicator than our poor ones against the lower teams? It's shows that we're capable of sporadic decent performances league football is all about sustained and consistent performances against all other teams, not just a couple. You finish where you deserve to in the league and we finished 15th. we're a no-better-outfit than that, I'm afraid.
It's not one eyed in the slightest. We have shown that the team are capable of passing the ball, moving off the ball and being direct against the better midfields and defences of this league. Our inability to get close to replicating that against the poorest sides is fairly inexplicable, but clearly the causal factor in us being in a poor position last year.
There are probably a lot of reasons; an inability to rotate the likes of Andi who were rank out of form for a long time, an inability to keep our best players fit, to have the midfield balanced in such a way as to use the space the better sides will vacate by attacking us that is closed off by less adventurous teams etc
Last season was not a complete disaster. It was pure mid-table fare until the Chelsea result, where we collapsed spectacularly into a relegation battle. I have not suggested that we were better than 15th, merely that we should have done a lot better.
Surely the main concern is that we've shown - repeatedly and consistently - that we can't get the ball down and break down a side who put men behind the ball. The better sides are prepared to give you space. Other sides aren't. Last season We just couldn't pass the ball under pressure not break down two banks of four
And our defence isn't we were actually similar under O'Neill - but our defence and set piece ability meant we sneaked many more of those games
My main hope is that we had looked a bit better than this at the back end of the previous season
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We quite easily played our best football last season against the top sides, which would suggest we're a better outfit than some of the awful defeats to Palace, Fulham, Stoke etc indicated.
Ads- I'm sorry but this is another one-eyed statement. Why would our good performances against the top sides be any more of an indicator than our poor ones against the lower teams? It's shows that we're capable of sporadic decent performances league football is all about sustained and consistent performances against all other teams, not just a couple. You finish where you deserve to in the league and we finished 15th. we're a no-better-outfit than that, I'm afraid.
Spot on this.
QPR could go either way, if they have Arry for the whole season then I think they have a decent chance of staying up, but if they have a poor start I can see the owner getting a bit twitchy and making a rash change which could cost them.
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League - 14th
Cups - who cares
I'm optimistic we will improve this year with the return of Okore, Benteke back to full health, Zog, the return into the fold of the Bomb Squad, sensible if unspectacular signings like Richardson, and a healthier coaching regime.
If anything worries me more, it's not the on the field stuff, it's what goes on in the boardroom - pray to god we are not bought by a reckless owner because that could be the killer blow.
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Very, very concerned.
League - 17th (trying to be optimistic)
Cups - out immediately
Boadroom - nothing
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my worry is that we might be getting very nostalgic for 15th come Christmas
We could be as good as gone by then, without Benteke I cant see us scoring many
There will be a mini league at the bottom. We will be down in it along with West Brom, Palace, Burnley and QPR. Leicester will be reasonably comfortable I think. We look very vulnerable along with West Brom.
Top of the league should be very exciting this year. Sanchez is an unreal signing for Arsenal but Mascherano or De Jong in midfield is what they need more than another attacking player. Spurs should be very good this year with the likes of Eriksen more settled. Chelsea have made some big signings. Couldnt pick a winner of it.
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You can't see us scoring many and being down by Christmas, but you can see Dave Nugent scoring enough to make Leicester comfortable?
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I would have laughed if Albion had signed the players we've brought in so far.
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my worry is that we might be getting very nostalgic for 15th come Christmas
We could be as good as gone by then,
Fuck me, definitely a candidate for the most pessimistic post of pre-season. Gone by Christmas, wow.
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I have gone from despondent to puzzled. I mean, our team actually has got some good players in it, right? I don't think I am delusional thinking that. We were comfortable, very comfortable, for much of last season even with injuries. And yet then I remember our free fall after Stoke last season and wonder if it will continue. A nice meaty midfield signing and I would feel a world better.
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With current squad- 14th. Lose Vlaar and we could be fucked. Bring a few more in where we are weakest and if a few of the youngsters with promise get promoted then with okore and benteke back, maybe we will surprise a few people and climb to the heady heights of 10th.
I'm optimistic that keane will make a significant difference. Could go the other way though obviously, which is what I first thought when it was rumoured he was coming. I prefer to look on the bright side though.
Obviously the takeover saga will have a bearing. I find it mildly depressing that at this stage I'm not expecting anything Better than 14th.
Come in villa - surprise us all.
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I have not suggested that we were better than 15th, merely that we should have done a lot better.
It's that bit which worries me. I said last season that most of our players are mentally weak: when the pressure's off them - when they're expected to lose - they play well and get results against all expectation. But when the pressure is on them to beat sides, particularly poor opposition, they seem to go to pieces.
Just a theory but it might explain our dismal home form.
Except the same players two seasons ago beat every team around us when the pressure really was on. West Ham, Reading, Stoke, QPR, Sunderland, Norwich. We were in the bottom 3 and looking like goners for all money. 18 points against those around us shows the players are quite the opposite of what you'd label as being mentally weak.
The problem for me, and I said it last season, that this young and inexperienced side turned up when there was a Cup final to play. Home or away. The big crowd, the noise, the pressure motivated them and that's why we won well when not expected to. It was the mentality of lower league players and youngsters. That has not changed in two seasons and the addition of experience could be as important as the actual player brought in. We struggled to dominate games in front of 30 000 or so when sitting in mid-table. We couldn't lift our tempo if they crowd didn't do it first. With a touch of experience that should be addressed.
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Am still going to wait another week or so before making my final prediction, but as things stand right now I think we might just survie for another season. This is based on the fact that I think our key players (Vlaar, Benteke,Delph) will stay for another season, and that we may get a decent winger in before the close of the window, and that once again there should be at least three shiter teams than us, but I expect it to be evener closer than last year.
Of course things could all change depending on the take-over, direction of the club etc..
At the moment I can see the likes of West Ham, Southampton, Swansea, Sunderland, maybe West Brom, and the newly promoted clubs being the mix.
I think Burnly may go just because they have done so well even to get up and may not really be ready yet. If Redknapp stays at QPR the whole season then I see them staying up, like or hate him, he has tones of PL experience, has a decent squad, and will be able to get some new players in in January to strenghter if need be. Lesicter could go either way. I like the manager, they have strong support, and have spent a fair bit of money. Some of their buys are gambles who may not make the step up, also they do have a tough start which could put them on the back foot early, home form may well decide if they go down or stay up. After that I can see West Ham or Swansea being danger, and if they don't start signing players Sunderland still look a Championship side to me.
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I looked at leicester's squad. It's absolutely nowhere near ours. Nowhere near.
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I looked at leicester's squad. It's absolutely nowhere near ours. Nowhere near.
Okay, you may have to claify here, are you saying its much better or weaker?
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I'd love it if we smash them, absolutely love it.
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If Redknapp stays at QPR the whole season then I see them staying up, like or hate him, he has tones of PL experience, has a decent squad, and will be able to get some new players in in January to strenghter if need be.
is this the same Redknapp that took over from M.Hughes (who spent a fortune too) and with all his PL experience and the £21.5m 'onest 'arry is reported to have spent, (not including undisclosed fees) on transfers in the 2013 January window.......still took QPR down ?
that Harry Redknapp ? :)
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Redknapp is an awful manager. He did well at Portsmouth by having a jammy cup run and buggering off before having to reap all the shit that he'd sowed by spending a fortune that they didn't have. He got QPR relegated despite spending shitloads then only just managed to get them up, via an undeserved play-off win against the run of play, having had a budget which would have bankrupted any of their competitors.
They'll start badly, he'll get sacked, deservedly, and they'll appoint someone better than him and stay up.
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my worry is that we might be getting very nostalgic for 15th come Christmas
We could be as good as gone by then, without Benteke I cant see us scoring many
There will be a mini league at the bottom. We will be down in it along with West Brom, Palace, Burnley and QPR. Leicester will be reasonably comfortable I think. We look very vulnerable along with West Brom.
Top of the league should be very exciting this year. Sanchez is an unreal signing for Arsenal but Mascherano or De Jong in midfield is what they need more than another attacking player. Spurs should be very good this year with the likes of Eriksen more settled. Chelsea have made some big signings. Couldnt pick a winner of it.
As I think I said to you last season, I can think of a lot of words to describe the classless chavs and Spurs being near the top of the league but 'very exciting' would be somewhere off the bottom of the list
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Redknapp is an awful manager. He did well at Portsmouth by having a jammy cup run and buggering off before having to reap all the shit that he'd sowed by spending a fortune that they didn't have. He got QPR relegated despite spending shitloads then only just managed to get them up, via an undeserved play-off win against the run of play, having had a budget which would have bankrupted any of their competitors.
They'll start badly, he'll get sacked, deservedly, and they'll appoint someone better than him and stay up.
He's a funny one. But you can't deny he did a great job with spurs
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I looked at leicester's squad. It's absolutely nowhere near ours. Nowhere near.
Probably got more flair though. Dunno whether they'll step up or not buy Mahrez and Anthony Knockaert are exciting players to watch in their midfield area.
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Redknapp is an awful manager. He did well at Portsmouth by having a jammy cup run and buggering off before having to reap all the shit that he'd sowed by spending a fortune that they didn't have. He got QPR relegated despite spending shitloads then only just managed to get them up, via an undeserved play-off win against the run of play, having had a budget which would have bankrupted any of their competitors.
They'll start badly, he'll get sacked, deservedly, and they'll appoint someone better than him and stay up.
Even though I don't like the bloke that's harsh. In the last 5 years he's won an FA cup and finished twice in the top 4.
Can't see QPR going down with him in charge.
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For me where we finish is based on a few things....
How quick Benteke get's back to full fitness.
How long Vlaar and Okore can play together without one of them breaking down.
If Weimann is given more game time through the middle.
If Cole can produce what Villa have missed since....well forever it seems.
If Westwood stops acting like a third centre back and pushes forward more often.
The full back situation is addressed.
I do fear for us again this season, hoping the likes of Leicester, Burnley stink, the QPR project explodes again, West Brom make a change too many, Sunderland was a fluke and Hulls European adventure will cost them dearly.
I see us finishing around 16th-14th. If we rectify some of my points then maybe 12th-10th, depending on the Keane factor of course.
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Burnley & WBA are down already so it's all about the 3rd R place.
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We are going to be in the bottom 6 all season. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves or daft. We've not improved the squad, despite having £60m to do so. Say what you like but we have done nothing to persuade me that this season will be any different to the last two. And they were turgid. I'd welcome any valid reasons why I'm being harsh.
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We are going to be in the bottom 6 all season. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves or daft. We've not improved the squad, despite having £60m to do so. Say what you like but we have done nothing to persuade me that this season will be any different to the last two. And they were turgid. I'd welcome any valid reasons why I'm being harsh.
The only reason I can think of is that for at least half of last season it looked like we could finish about half way up. If we had not switched off post-Chelsea win then I think we would have finished about twelfth.
The problem is like you said that we have not really improved for this season, or only slightly if we have, and of course the teams around us have been buying.
Someone said West Brom to go down. I think they might be alright. Lescott is just the sort of player you need for a scrap near the bottom, he is psyical, experienced and just the sort I can see popping up with crucial late goals. They have spent a bif of money elsewhere. Its the manager who is the gamble, but on balance I don't think they will go down.
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Lescott is already unhappy. He will be poor there. We need a good august as sept looks a mare.
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I think Southampton might struggle this season.
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I think Southampton might struggle this season.
Depends how/if they spend all that cash they've got.
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Redknapp is an awful manager. He did well at Portsmouth by having a jammy cup run and buggering off before having to reap all the shit that he'd sowed by spending a fortune that they didn't have. He got QPR relegated despite spending shitloads then only just managed to get them up, via an undeserved play-off win against the run of play, having had a budget which would have bankrupted any of their competitors.
They'll start badly, he'll get sacked, deservedly, and they'll appoint someone better than him and stay up.
He's a funny one. But you can't deny he did a great job with spurs
He did ok. But again, had a fortune to spend and would probably have done better had he not wasted Bale at left-back for about five years.
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I looked at leicester's squad. It's absolutely nowhere near ours. Nowhere near.
Probably got more flair though. Dunno whether they'll step up or not buy Mahrez and Anthony Knockaert are exciting players to watch in their midfield area.
That Albrighton looks decent too...
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Lescott is already unhappy. He will be poor there. We need a good august as sept looks a mare.
What do you mean? Unhappy how?
Same as always the league doesn't start taking shape until about ten or twelve games in, even if we have a poor August and September that is not us down, look at how Palace recovered last season. It won't help though and would increase the pressure on Lambert given he is in his third season.
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Lescott is already unhappy. He will be poor there. We need a good august as sept looks a mare.
What do you mean? Unhappy how?
Same as always the league doesn't start taking shape until about ten or twelve games in, even if we have a poor August and September that is not us down, look at how Palace recovered last season. It won't help though and would increase the pressure on Lambert given he is in his third season.
West Brom defender Joleon Lescott is reportedly unhappy at the Midlands club, just four weeks after signing.
Lescott was released by Manchester City at the end of the season and it was widely considered that West Brom had pulled off something of a coup by bringing in the England international.
However the Mirror report that Lescott is unsettled at the club having watched West Brom struggle in the transfer market, contradicting what he was told when he joined, that the club would be competitive in the market.
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Well that's 100% confirmed then
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Lescott is already unhappy. He will be poor there.
That story is about 2 weeks old and they've brought about 5 new players in. I don't think there's anything in that at all.
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that arch knobhead Mr Savage is still tipping them to go down - along with us.
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that arch knobhead Mr Savage is still tipping them to go down - along with us.
It doesn't take a genius to work out who'll be in a relegation battle and we'll certainly be in the mix yet again.
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There is a lot of talk about Harry Redknapp on this thread. He did fail to keep Southampton and QPR up but he did bring QPR back up. He also won a championship title and FA cup with Portsmouth and when he first went back there they looked certain to go down and he took them on a fantastic run to keep them up and sent Small Heath down. He got Spurs into the Champions League and did a decent job at West Ham, including bringing a lot of the youngsters through. But generally he is a good manager in the way that MON is a good manager. He gets results but he also likes to spend a few quid along the way and often it is a short term plan that he goes for so he constantly needs to spend more money.
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that arch knobhead Mr Savage is still tipping them to go down - along with us.
He knows he'll get more "bites", and therefore the publicity he craves, from Villa fans than of any other teams so would probably tip us for the drop even if we looked certainties for mid-table or higher.
That said, I do expect us to be heavily involved in the relegation scrap along with Baggies, Burnley and Southampton.
EDIT: and Hull, forgot about them.
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I fucking hate Savage. All villa fans, actually all fans full stop, should stop listening/watching/reading the ******.
We'll be scrapping it though with Baggies, Leicester, Burnley, QPR, Sunderland and then possibles in Hull, Swansea, Palace and Southampton. I expect it to be even tighter than last year between most of the bottom dwellers (i.e. most of the league).
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I was just in Ladbrokes, noticed on the board we are only 3/1 to go down, that's pretty grim reading.
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that arch knobhead Mr Savage is still tipping them to go down - along with us.
That might be a canny tip this season.
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There is a lot of talk about Harry Redknapp on this thread. He did fail to keep Southampton and QPR up but he did bring QPR back up. He also won a championship title and FA cup with Portsmouth and when he first went back there they looked certain to go down and he took them on a fantastic run to keep them up and sent Small Heath down. He got Spurs into the Champions League and did a decent job at West Ham, including bringing a lot of the youngsters through. But generally he is a good manager in the way that MON is a good manager. He gets results but he also likes to spend a few quid along the way and often it is a short term plan that he goes for so he constantly needs to spend more money.
Great post and I agree with just about every word of it. Also, it was going to be difficult for anyone to keep QPR that season. If he keeps them up this time its pretty much job done.
Thing about Savage is that two seasons ago he predicted we would go down when few expected us to be in any danger. He was pretty close to being right of course, but I am convinced he only made the prediction to try and wind Villa fans up. Also, he changed his mind about half way through when we beat Liverpool, talk about swarping horses mid-race.
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Robbie Savage was at Small Heath long enough for the fans obsession with Villa to rub off on him. I don't have a problem with him tipping us to go down though as I am sure he isn't the only 'pundit' thinking like that. He is a massive twat though and with the possible exception of Leicester fans I would guess even the fans of his former clubs think the same.
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Robbie Savage was at Small Heath long enough for the fans obsession with Villa to rub off on him. I don't have a problem with him tipping us to go down though as I am sure he isn't the only 'pundit' thinking like that. He is a massive twat though and with the possible exception of Leicester fans I would guess even the fans of his former clubs think the same.
Sure, but it was two seasons ago, and at this point we didn't know how bad things were going to get, based on his record at Norwich and a few promising siginings for us I can't think many would have put us down there at that stage. I doubt he actually believed it is my point, but then he undermined himself by changing his mind based on one performance against Liverpool.
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Well I'm tipping us to go down so I can't complain if savage is.
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Worst Villa side I have have ever seen, relegation wouldn't be a surprise. The surprise, for me, would be that we stay up.
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This might just be our year.
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This might just be our year.
Its starting to feel that way - there is the stench of decay around the place - there is nothing positive coming out of B6 whatsoever - the signing of Joe Cole sums it up for me - sheer desparation
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If the rest of our deals this window echo the first batch - or if the first batch is the lot- I'll agree.
As it is, too early to judge.
A midfielder or two and Benteke back ASAP and we should be fine for mid table. Even Richardson might be a solid, unspectacular option at left back/ left wing back. Solid would be an upgrade on the three numpties that have covered that position for us over the last two years.
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I hope you are right Kevin. I am in full panic mode around signings. I am beginning to think either no more, or another free. If that happens then yeah, put me in the ""probably its our year to go down" camp.
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It's not even worth betting on us to go down our odds are that shit.
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Well done Randy! Total idiot. A complete hash of the summer, no major signings, contract issues up in the air - the perfect template how not to run a football club. Even Faulkner has had enough....
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I think that we have less cause for optimism than any other fans in the premiership. .even the fans of the teams coming up are looking forward to the new season..personally I think we have a season of struggle to look forward to and surely some of the players must realise this to.
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If the current league form continues then we're stuffed as that was relegation form for certain. Unfortunately the manager is the same and so are most of the players.
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most of our squad have are not good enough for the beach, let alone the bench
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Well done Randy! Total idiot. A complete hash of the summer, no major signings, contract issues up in the air - the perfect template how not to run a football club. Even Faulkner has had enough....
What you have to remember is that he's in the process of selling the club. Now only he (and obviously a couple of others) know how far down the line it's gone. If he's close to selling it then I can understand his reluctance to put money in for transfers. If a deal is not in the pipeline then he should invest to help the club along. I hope that because of the lack of money spent, that a deal is not far away.
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This might just be our year.
For the FA Cup? Or relegation? Or both?
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This might just be our year.
For the FA Cup? Or relegation? Or both?
The second one sadly
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Why are some people still defending Lerner? Regardless of any imminent sale he still should safeguard the club's future by some reasonable spending in the transfer market. After all, what happened to the £73M tv money? If a sale doesn't happen and we end up relegated he will see his asset plummet in value; a very risky strategy - I just think he's a poor decision maker.
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Lerner has been reassured by Lambert that we will be fine and I genuinely think he believes it, just about everybody knows were in trouble but the few at the top of our club,, we are sleepwalking towards the abyss
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we are sleepwalking towards the abyss
HOUSE!!
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http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/aug/04/premier-league-preview-aston-villa
Excellent (if hardly coming up with new stuff - but then we don't on here!) article from Stuart James in the guardian. He really knows what he's talking about. Don't want to pick on Mat Kendrick but the quality of this article is so much higher than what he turns out!
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Some damning stats in that article.We are basically the new Wigan holding on every year and like them eventually we will go down.
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A well-written article.
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16th
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130 goals in two season, when you see it in print it doesn't seem real.
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http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/aug/04/premier-league-preview-aston-villa
Excellent (if hardly coming up with new stuff - but then we don't on here!) article from Stuart James in the guardian. He really knows what he's talking about. Don't want to pick on Mat Kendrick but the quality of this article is so much higher than what he turns out!
Yup, was just about to post it myself.
Nothing to disagree with at all.
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Well done Randy! Total idiot. A complete hash of the summer, no major signings, contract issues up in the air - the perfect template how not to run a football club. Even Faulkner has had enough....
It's not even worth betting on us to go down our odds are that shit.
Thanks for letting me know, was considering it. Was also going to take a punt on Arsenal for the title? Are the odds better or worse for that?
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Some damning stats in that article.We are basically the new Wigan holding on every year and like them eventually we will go down.
Yes we're sort of last man standing and due to go. Something needs to change but there's not too much to suggest it will. We're very unlikely to do as well against the top sides again so we'll need to be better at breaking down the bottom half teams at home. Not sure cole and grealish are enough for that
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As poor as we have been for most of the last 3 seasons, were we underperforming last season for the players we have. For one reason or another I think we were. It is for that reason I do have some optimism for this season being better than last.
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130 goals in two season, when you see it in print it doesn't seem real.
If you include his Norwich side that came up in 2011/12, that's 190+ goals conceded by Lambert's teams in three years. Staggering.
Though you could argue with Norwich that they were punching above their weight just to be in the division back then.
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For the couple of weeks before the season I am a reckless optimist. I reckon we will surprise a lot of people (not least ourselves) by doing alright this year. Reality will start to intervene some time around the August bank holiday but i'm a happy little idiot right now.
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The big hole in the team remains a defensive midfielder and I don't see us getting away with not having one for another season.
My other concern is that we have not offloaded several poor players from the squad.
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Villa -
Premier League - 14th
League Cup - 4th Round
FA Cup - Winner
Top scorer - new signing in January transfer window
Takeover - October
Paul Lambert to be fired in November
Player of season - new signing in January transfer window
Transfer record - new signing in January transfer window
transfer spend - 6 millions this month, 60 millions in January.
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mystic meg?
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@bbcsport_david: #CPFC Pulis & Parish holding crisis talks in London. Tension between pair heightened, mainly re signings. TP could go before #AFC opener Sat
Question: where would we finish with pulis? I very much doubt we'd go down. But I very much doubt we'd keep our better players too long either!
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An absolutely massive NO fuck you very much to any possibility of us hiring Pulis. I want a manager who will keep us up AND play reasonable football. I don't see why we have to choose one or the other.
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I'd very much like that too
But if we're bottom of the league with 1 point after right games (genuine possibility) I'd be pretty tempted!
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We'll pick ourselves up and go again.
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We'll pick ourselves up and go again.
Oh god I'm just not ready. I just know I'm going to be watching villa in the penultimate game of motd as we lose 1 or 2-0 in a really boring game, where we have about one shot. I just can't face another season of this shit
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We'll pick ourselves up and go again.
If I hear that this season from Lambert I'm giving up football forever.
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Actually if pulis does leave palace they're down aren't they? Them and burnley? Our odds improving all the time!
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Fucking hell I've just looked at our fixtures again. After Stoke / Newcastle / hull it's
Liv a
Ars h
Chels a
Man city h
Everton a
QPR A
Spurs h
Unless we rack up some points early days we could well be bottom after that lot of games.
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I have Burnley, Leicester and the Albion to go down. Chelsea to win it, Man City second. Villa to finish 16th.
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I'm extremely excited.
It's 36 hours until the start of the football season. Villa are as close to the top of the league as every other team is.
Best part of the year.
(when the World Cup isn't happening)
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Actually if pulis does leave palace they're down aren't they? Them and burnley? Our odds improving all the time!
Malky Mackay and Neil Lennon are favourites. Hopefully, they appoint a certain Scottish Manager. Then their fate is sealed!!
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An absolutely massive NO fuck you very much to any possibility of us hiring Pulis. I want a manager who will keep us up AND play reasonable football. I don't see why we have to choose one or the other.
See, I get that entirely.
But if we're in a similar position to where Palarse were when he took over and Lambert gets the heave ho, Tony Pulis will be one of the most realistic options available... I've just read that back again, as I can't quite believe it myself.
As a short term option, to ensure survival, I'm not sure we could get too precious. Besides, his Palace team were easier on the eye than the thugs he had at Stoke. Though a fair chunk of that was probably the necessity to work with what he had. It's when he's in the role for a couple of years and can shape a side exactly how he wants that problems occur.
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Actually if pulis does leave palace they're down aren't they? Them and burnley? Our odds improving all the time!
Malky Mackay and Neil Lennon are favourites. Hopefully, they appoint a certain Scottish Manager. Then their fate is sealed!!
Maybe I heard that news wrong, but I actually thought it was the coach that was rumoured to be leaving Palace, but that Pulis was the one talking to him (attempting to convince him to stay?). Palace would be back to square one without Pulis you would think, which of course would be good news for us.
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I am not an expert on Tony Pulis' managerial career before Stoke but in his last two jobs he has done very, very well. Obviously the style of football is a different argument but he gets results and seems to get players and teams to over achieve.
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As a short-term fix to avoid relegation, there is probably few better options than Pulis. Desperate times, desperate meausures.
Hopefully, it won't come to that, and we'll float around in mid-table somehow.
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It is odd how since last night things have changed, and I'm not getting carried away, but you cannot overlook what Pulis leaving Palace might do to them. Before that news I was still edging towards Villa staying up as I think we have enough up front (when everyone is fit) and have players such as Vlaar, Delph and Guzan who can make the difference in certain games. Still see us struggling, but I am going to be positive and state that there will be three worse teams than us this season :P
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If Irvine is having a mare Peace may well look to Pullis to save the Stripey Filth if he is still out of work.
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9th.
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Following recent signings revised to 13th.
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12th
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Another prediction:
Karim El-Ahmadi will become the No.10 we've been after. And he'll be good, all deft touches, one-twos, well timed runs into the box and finishing to match, with two solid quality midfielders behind releasing him from the jobs he's shite at.
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Another prediction:
Karim El-Ahmadi will become the No.10 we've been after. And he'll be good, all deft touches, one-twos, well timed runs into the box and finishing to match, with two solid quality midfielders behind releasing him from the jobs he's shite at.
If this happens I'll eat my hat.
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Another prediction:
Karim El-Ahmadi will become the No.10 we've been after. And he'll be good, all deft touches, one-twos, well timed runs into the box and finishing to match, with two solid quality midfielders behind releasing him from the jobs he's shite at.
If this happens I'll eat my hat.
It's a long shot, I'll admit.
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Another prediction:
Karim El-Ahmadi will become the No.10 we've been after. And he'll be good, all deft touches, one-twos, well timed runs into the box and finishing to match, with two solid quality midfielders behind releasing him from the jobs he's shite at.
How was Amsterdam?
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the afghani black was pretty good it seems
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Am sticking with about 16th as said before, besides who would I be if I changed my mind after one game? Robbie Savage I guess! ;D
Would like a decent cup run too. At least in the league cup as that is almost finish before the business end of the season. Aftere that we can see where we are in the league and plan based on that.
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Would anyone care to change their predictions?
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Would anyone care to change their predictions?
Yeah. I had us for semis of the milk cup.
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Would anyone care to change their predictions?
League: 1st
Nope.
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Right now:
League 19th
FA Cup 3rd Round
League Cup Quarter final
as i did it on the 18th June, yes.
16th league. Same other 2.
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Would anyone care to change their predictions?
Absolutely delighted to. Early days but the solidity and form of quite a few is a wonderful surprise.
I'm still only thinking upper mid table though, but considering I thought we'd struggle to stay up is a great result. A lovely feeling.
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Would anyone care to change their predictions?
Absolutely delighted to. Early days but the solidity and form of quite a few is a wonderful surprise.
I'm still only thinking upper mid table though, but considering I thought we'd struggle to stay up is a great result. A lovely feeling.
No my name isn't Robbie Savage (and yes I have used that one more than once, but it never gets old!). Things are looking promising and there is a chance that can go on and finish in mid-table which of course we should have done last season. But it is still early and I don't want to jynx us!
Will go for us to get to the Fifth Round in the FA Cup.
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Would anyone care to change their predictions?
Did you predict ? Or sit on the fence ?
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Would anyone care to change their predictions?
Did you predict ? Or sit on the fence ?
Can't remember but I certainly didn't say we'd get relegated.
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Would anyone care to change their predictions?
Did you predict ? Or sit on the fence ?
He sat on a fence like a true polictian I bet!
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I got my League Cup prediction wrong.
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Would anyone care to change their predictions?
Did you predict ? Or sit on the fence ?
He sat on a fence like a true polictian I bet!
He seems quite cantankerous nowadays. Must be an age thing ;)
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I got my League Cup prediction wrong.
I didn't make one. Our Cup form of recent seasons is really depressing me. Villa and the FA Cup are becoming like the England and the World Cup to me I am having my doubts that we will win the bloody thing during my life time...