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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on May 07, 2014, 07:49:16 PM
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shite
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Usual shit, more or less week in, week out now. And it will forever be so until Lerner and Lambert fuck right off
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Great goal by Bowery at least
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Losing 4-0 to City tonight? Meh.
Losing 4-0 to City next season? That'll be annoying.
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Cue the city wankfest. They were good, we still defend like kids. Nothing unexpected.
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Right well that ended up being pretty embarrassing. I think tonight highlighted quite how low we are, I'm not even blaming Lambert here but we set up like a lower league team. Aston Villa have been stripped down to having virtually no talent now, and something massive needs to change in the summer because we are not even a shadow of what this club should be.
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Lambert must be sick and tired of coming out to say something positive after another performance like this. Ok, it's the (almost) champions but it happens too often for this manager to remain in place.
Desperate, just soul suckingly desperate.
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As expected. To be fair, I thought we didn't discredit ourselves for a lot of the match - defended resolutely for long periods and really frustrated them. Had we had Benteke on the pitch to convert those chances that Weimann/Bowery had we could have frustrated them some more. Nothing changes though, cause we all know that Lambert and the team is able to set out well for those kinds of games. We go again.
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You can fuck off now Lambert and take that useless purple dot with you
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Back to normal. Must we play our last game?
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Can't be too distressed tonight
But we're heading for real trouble next year unless we do get some premier league players in. Right throughout the team
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Utter shite as usual. I can't wait for Sunday to be over no more of this rubbish for two months thank God.
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The problem isn't that we were so comprehensively outclassed in this game. It is some of the other teams that comprehensively outclassed us, too.
We're just there to make up the numbers.
I appreciate they have the most expensive squad in this or any other universe, but our squad is just utterly pathetic.
We're a dreadful, mismanaged mess, and unless something amazing happens this summer, we're on a downward trajectory.
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And thats why Lambert had us shut up shop for an hour. Cant blame him. The moment we ventured out we got fucking hammered.
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We're not two or three players away from being a good side.
We're two or three players away from being a Championship side.
Worrying times but a change is gonna come. It has to.
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Proud of them for holding out until the 63rd minute. And Grealish is a liability - City scored twice after he came on and that was entirely his fault... : ;)
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Disappointing score in the end,was never going to hold out the whole game but didn't have many options without our best strikers.
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We defended ok for most of the first hour, heads dropped when we went behind and we tired towards the end.
The team and squad is desperately short of quality and steel in every outfield position.
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Crock of baws.
One game to go thank fook
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Meh
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Can't be too distressed tonight
But we're heading for real trouble next year unless we do get some premier league players in. Right throughout the team
I used to think that, too.
However, now I think the only thing that can save us is a purge of all the clueless idiots weighing this club down.
Lerner, Faulkner, Lambert, Doogan, the lot of them, I wouldn't give them the steam off my piss.
Whilst they're in place instead of sensible, capable people, nothing will change.
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To approach a premier league game, when 'the shackles are off' is nothing short of fucking disgraceful.
Will West Ham go there on Sunday and park a fleet of buses, or will they have a go?
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The problem isn't that we were so comprehensively outclassed in this game. It is some of the other teams that comprehensively outclassed us, too.
We're just there to make up the numbers.
I appreciate they have the most expensive squad in this or any other universe, but our squad is just utterly pathetic.
We're a dreadful, mismanaged mess, and unless something amazing happens this summer, we're on a downward trajectory.
Spot on Paulie. Losing to Citeh is one thing - but Stoke, Palace and Fulham doing the double over us is something else completely
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At least Robinson looked quite good
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Can't be too distressed tonight
But we're heading for real trouble next year unless we do get some premier league players in. Right throughout the team
I used to think that, too.
However, now I think the only thing that can save us is a purge of all the clueless idiots weighing this club down.
Lerner, Faulkner, Lambert, Doogan, the lot of them, I wouldn't give them the steam off my piss.
Whilst they're in place instead of sensible, capable people, nothing will change.
As I said on the pre-match thread I was looking forward to tonight, but that turned around pretty quickly when I remembered just how desperate the club's situation is short of a miracle.
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That was pointless, in more ways than one.
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It was 0-0 when I tuned in. I think it's my fault. Poor.
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he just parked the Villa bus and put the Rotunda in front of the goal , why he didnt just have a go like Sunderland did , nothing to lose.
Cant wait until hes gone , I will be so relieved
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Most of us predicted a heavy loss. Bacuna, Lowton & Bertrand were already on the beach.
I honestly think this game sums up why Lambert needs to go, in a game with nothing to lose he picks a team full of defenders....smh
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Shit on a stick really. Man Citeh have scored 110 more than Villa. Just saying
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You could not fault the effort, but our abject mediocrity was an full show for all to see.
Bertrand's regression from a decent footballer into a clown since joining will surely be noted by any players thinking of joining this circus.
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Totally and utterly (and unsurprisingly) outclassed. In truth this is what should have happened at Villa park. We've probably touched the ball half a dozen times in two matches.
I think the disappointing aspect is how negatively we approached the game. We should have gone for it and tried to win. In the end we've approached this game as negatively as you can get and get tonked royally.
Toure's goal at the end was different class.
Spurs aren't brilliant and are inconsistent. I'd like to see us approach it looking to win and for Lambert to be brave with the starting lineup. Lets see Robinson (who looked lively) and perhaps a couple of players like Helenius and Tonev. Give Grealish more minutes too.
I think how we approach Saturday will tell us a lot about Lambert and his long term future here. McLeish's final game was one where we were already safe. We could have played with a bit of freedom, ended on a high but he picked something like 7-8 defenders in that game. It basically slammed in the final nail in his coffin, if it wasn't already. He'd lost all will to even try to win, even for the enjoyment of it, even just to put a positive final day on an otherwise fuck of a season. If Lambert does the same it probably means he's all but gone.
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This is easily, without a shadow of a doubt, the worst Villa squad of players I've seen since I started watching Villa in '77, and that includes the 86/87 team.
Lambert/Lerner out!
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Shit on a stick really. Man Citeh have scored 110 more than Villa. Just saying
We've scored -10, fucking hell I knew we were bad but I didn't think we were that bad.
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We are a nothing club. Loads of talk about Pardew and Allardyce being sacked, why not Lambert ?
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Not going to lose any sleep over only managing 3 points off the champions this season. I suggest some of you do the same.
Difficult at the best of times but with our attacking options severely tested it was always going to be a hang in and hope performance against a team that has scored 100 goals this season.
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The only positive thing is that, after Saturday, it is over for another year.
And a year will pass and we'll be in exactly the same position again whilst this unambitious bunch of brainless idiots are in charge.
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Don't go overboard. City cheat the financial fair play rules and are gunning for the title. We have a Sunday pub team budget and nothing to play for.
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1 game left of the least enjoyable season I've had supporting the Villa. Chalk this down as utter shit performance number 25 or something of the season.
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Paul Lambert" We're going to win not make up the numbers"
Really?
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It wasnt meaningless! By virtue of shipping 4 we have dropped below Sunderland!
;D
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The only positive thing is that, after Saturday, it is over for another year.
And a year will pass and we'll be in exactly the same position again whilst this unambitious bunch of brainless idiots are in charge.
Sunday sadly.
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I just hope there's something in the takeover rumours because if there's not then we're nailed on for relegation next season if nothing changes.
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I salute every single one of the travelling support tonight . At £47 a ticket - to watch that .......
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We go again. Fortunately it will be for the ultimate time. I really don't think I can take another game, nevermind another season of this.
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What was the point of such negative tactics? Just f**k off Lambert!
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Yes it was expected but I wish we had balls to stop them tonight. It's embarrassing that City fans and rest of the country expected us to get thrashed and we obliged.
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The only positive thing is that, after Saturday, it is over for another year.
And a year will pass and we'll be in exactly the same position again whilst this unambitious bunch of brainless idiots are in charge.
Sorry to deliver the bad news...... Its Sunday
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if Randy and lmbert are still here next season
we are goners
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Defended okay for an hour, City clicked and we were done for. As are most teams they play. Knew I shouldn't have gone to the Strath.
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Is Lambert related to Bill Murray?
Because this is like Groundhog Day.
Without the distraction of trying to get into Andie McDowell's knickers.
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Men against boys. Like watching a third division team playing a top flight club in the cup, and hanging on for grim death.
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Not going to lose any sleep over only managing 3 points off the champions this season. I suggest some of you do the same.
Difficult at the best of times but with our attacking options severely tested it was always going to be a hang in and hope performance against a team that has scored 100 goals this season.
I'd agree with you if it was a one off but it isn't. We play like that practically every week. Surely you can see that?
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You could not fault the effort, but our abject mediocrity was an full show for all to see.
Bertrand's regression from a decent footballer into a clown since joining will surely be noted by any players thinking of joining this circus.
It's a hard game to judge really. I mean we're in the same division but they just look leagues apart in terms of quality. That is sadly where we've come to now though. Player for player they were infinitely superior in almost every department, bar Guzan and Vlaar who are on par with Hart and Demiclownis.
We used up all our good fortune at Villa park against them. There was no way on Earth we could have done that again. 25% possession, hardly any chances but still win. We can't pull off that trick twice against the Champions.
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The only positive thing is that, after Saturday, it is over for another year.
And a year will pass and we'll be in exactly the same position again whilst this unambitious bunch of brainless idiots are in charge.
I wish it was over for a year, it's only over for 2 months in reality and unless something drastic happens welcome back in August for more shit served up by these clowns.
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What was the point of such negative tactics? Just f**k off Lambert!
Man City player, "We knew before the game that Aston Villa would probably play with ten behind the ball".
Summed up perfectly Lambert's tactics.
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it was like Villa playing someone like Bradford
oh no - Ive got that wrong
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Just one more (thankfully meaningless) game with Lambert in charge. Believe.
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We are a nothing club. Loads of talk about Pardew and Allardyce being sacked, why not Lambert ?
There's plenty of talk about him being sacked. The bookies think he'll go too. You can get 2/1 at Betfair on "no managerial change" before the first game of next season.
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Defended okay for an hour, City clicked and we were done for. As are most teams they play. Knew I shouldn't have gone to the Strath.
I don't know if was them clicking as much as too many players were knackered after chasing shadows for 60 minutes.
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Men against boys. Like watching a third division team playing a top flight club in the cup, and hanging on for grim death.
It was exactly that.
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Not going to lose any sleep over only managing 3 points off the champions this season. I suggest some of you do the same.
Difficult at the best of times but with our attacking options severely tested it was always going to be a hang in and hope performance against a team that has scored 100 goals this season.
I'd agree with you if it was a one off but it isn't. We play like that practically every week. Surely you can see that?
I thought this was the post match thread for tonight's game.
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What was the point of such negative tactics? Just f**k off Lambert!
Man City player, "We knew before the game that Aston Villa would probably play with ten behind the ball".
Summed up perfectly Lambert's tactics.
You saw what happened when we changed. Could have been another 8-0. We cannot go head to head with teams like City. A very sad fact.
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What was the point of such negative tactics? Just f**k off Lambert!
Man City player, "We knew before the game that Aston Villa would probably play with ten behind the ball".
Summed up perfectly Lambert's tactics.
11 wasnt it
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Our entire team cost less than their left back tonight
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Disappointed but not surprised by the result we need to buy some experienced premier league players for next season.
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Not going to lose any sleep over only managing 3 points off the champions this season. I suggest some of you do the same.
Difficult at the best of times but with our attacking options severely tested it was always going to be a hang in and hope performance against a team that has scored 100 goals this season.
I get that Man City will be champions and that they have a world class squad built at vast expense. I get that.
But that has nothing to do with how desperately poor we are and how badly our club is being run. That's why I feel so low; getting thrashed by Man City is just a symptom.
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Shit on a stick really. Man Citeh have scored 110 more than Villa. Just saying
We've scored -10, fucking hell I knew we were bad but I didn't think we were that bad.
:) including cup games. Sorry
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Our entire team cost less than their left back tonight
So?
Our team cost more than Bradford.
You can still have a fucking go !
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I want to be annoyed, but I couldn't give two fucks. The rest of this season has battered the shit out of my nerves. I'd have liked to have seen us get a result, but all the attacking tactics in the world couldn't change the fact that we're not a very good team, we're managed by a bloke who has no understanding of setting up a football side, and losing doesn't make it any more likely we'll be sold to a zillionaire. We survived, and until further news comes out I don't really have the energy left for 2013/14.
I'm with others on this - we're a grand old institution that's been given a few coats of paint and left to attract a crowd. The people in charge had neither the means nor the heart to restore it to its former glory, because if they did, we wouldn't be coming off the back of a win against Hull City feeling like we want the season to be over - we'd be aching for next season to begin. So do yourself a favour: don't wail because we lost to a team worth £200 million, wail because we put out a team worth £19 million and the people who make the decisions thought that was the best thing for Aston Villa Football Club.
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he just parked the Villa bus and put the Rotunda in front of the goal , why he didnt just have a go like Sunderland did , nothing to lose.
Cant wait until hes gone , I will be so relieved
I think Randy and Lambert probably feel the same. Lambert has looked utterly beaten for a while. It feels like the end of the road. Irreconcilable differences.
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What was the point of such negative tactics? Just f**k off Lambert!
Man City player, "We knew before the game that Aston Villa would probably play with ten behind the ball".
Summed up perfectly Lambert's tactics.
11 wasnt it
I think he factored in KEA's slack, lazy tracking back.
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I know he's not as 'sexy' as the likes of Messi/Ronaldo, but fuck me Yaya is some player.
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Our entire team cost less than their left back tonight
So?
Our team cost more than Bradford.
You can still have a fucking go !
A very good point.
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Our entire team cost less than their left back tonight
And that, in the wider sense beyond this evening, is the problem.
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I don't know nothing to play for could have had a go and attacked putting the wind up them and then losing 5 - 2 but no not Lambert lets park the bus and lose 4-0 and how Lambert can pat Bertrand on the back beats me, lets just hope we don't buy him because he is no good for Chelsea
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Not going to lose any sleep over only managing 3 points off the champions this season. I suggest some of you do the same.
Difficult at the best of times but with our attacking options severely tested it was always going to be a hang in and hope performance against a team that has scored 100 goals this season.
I get that Man City will be champions and that they have a world class squad built at vast expense. I get that.
But that has nothing to do with how desperately poor we are and how badly our club is being run. That's why I feel so low; getting thrashed by Man City is just a symptom.
Well get used to it. Until we invest in a PL squad we will struggle. The squad has been stripped of quality and currently has too many key players missing. Simply put, it can't cope. Without investment we will exist simply to survive.
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Oh I think Lamberts a goner. We're safe, we could be a bit more adventurous, a bit more gung ho and try to win with no pressure on us but we never looked like trying.
I suspect we'll see another negative and dour line up against Spurs. It'll have shades of McLeish who's approach to his final game was atrocious. He didn't even try to win a game that was probably our first pressure free game of that whole season.
Spurs are really inconsistent. Sometimes very good, sometimes pretty shite really. Man City are miles apart in quality so Spurs shouldn't hold anywhere near the same fear factor. Go for it, and try and win Lambo. At least see out your final game (likely) looking like you want to win and leave on a high.
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If we'd gone for it and got thrashed 8-0 like at Chelsea would you have been pleased?
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Spot on Hilts. The defeats are the symptom of the sickness, not the sickness itself.
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Not going to lose any sleep over only managing 3 points off the champions this season. I suggest some of you do the same.
Difficult at the best of times but with our attacking options severely tested it was always going to be a hang in and hope performance against a team that has scored 100 goals this season.
I get that Man City will be champions and that they have a world class squad built at vast expense. I get that.
But that has nothing to do with how desperately poor we are and how badly our club is being run. That's why I feel so low; getting thrashed by Man City is just a symptom.
Well get used to it. Until we invest in a PL squad we will struggle. The squad has been stripped of quality and currently has too many key players missing. Simply put, it can't cope. Without investment we will exist simply to survive.
Without investment we won't survive.
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If we'd gone for it and got thrashed 8-0 like at Chelsea would you have been pleased?
Of course not. But I would have been a little happier if it had been 6-3.
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If we'd gone for it and got thrashed 8-0 like at Chelsea would you have been pleased?
Of course not. But I would have been a little happier if it had been 6-3.
Of which there was no guarantee by simply 'having a go'.
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If we'd gone for it and got thrashed 8-0 like at Chelsea would you have been pleased?
Not particularly. They're not fantastic at the back though so I'd have fancied us to at least get on the score sheet had we picked a braver line up and pushed forward more.
The saddest part was that even at 2-0 we just sat back as if we were still playing for a 0-0. It was pathetic. We livened up briefly when Robinson came on.
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Did well to get out of there at just 0-4
If Ci£y had got an early goal that could have easily been 9 or 10.
Pretty woeful really overall .
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Setting out to not get beat too badly is basically a TSM tactic.
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Bacuna had two chances to get a challenge in on Toure for the 4th goal and bottled it on both occasions, he should have hacked him down first time but just ran across him instead.
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If we'd gone for it and got thrashed 8-0 like at Chelsea would you have been pleased?
Of course not. But I would have been a little happier if it had been 6-3.
Of which there was no guarantee by simply 'having a go'.
Well talking of no guarantees, where did 8-0 come from?
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If we'd gone for it and got thrashed 8-0 like at Chelsea would you have been pleased?
Of course not. But I would have been a little happier if it had been 6-3.
Of which there was no guarantee by simply 'having a go'.
It is possible to stay disciplined at the back and still offer some attacking threat in a game though.
Particularly once we finally went behind we just kept on with 10 men behind the ball.
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Our entire team cost less than their left back tonight
And that, in the wider sense beyond this evening, is the problem.
It's part of it. But I think palace, Swansea and other sides will also have put out sides costing similar amounts this season and looked a fair amount better than that
In fact I bet they did against us this season
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The problem isn't that we shipped four goals at the Etihad and looked absolutely pathetic.
It's that we shipped four goals at home to Stoke City and looked absolutely pathetic.
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Setting out to not get beat too badly is basically a TSM tactic.
Or Mourinho, depends which way you look at it. Chelsea did exactly the same at Liverpool but with better players punished them twice and he's considered one of the best managers in the world.
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if all Randy's going to say on Monday is that he intends to sell, there won't be any investment in the summer. that's probably the meltdown the ITK's have been alluding to
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Our entire team cost less than their left back tonight
And that, in the wider sense beyond this evening, is the problem.
It's part of it. But I think palace, Swansea and other sides will also have put out sides costing similar amounts this season and looked a fair amount better than that
In fact I bet they did against us this season
I agree entirely.
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Setting out to not get beat too badly is basically a TSM tactic.
Completely agree, although one small defence would be that our side is measurably worse in terms of playing talent than it was under TSM.
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Opta Joe: 152 - Manchester City have now scored 152 goals in all competitions this season, 109 more than Aston Villa. Gulf.
It would be laughable, if it didn't make you want to weep.
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We all know the squad lacks depth and we have shortcomings at in various positions. Factor in that most the forwards we have are injured what did people expect us to do? We tried to get a point, they scored, we collapse. I am focusing on the big changes on the horizon and on better tomorrows and am about to forget this season very quickly, just like the two before.
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Another desperate performance! Sick to Fuckin death! Its a shame we didn't get twatted by a few more to help that useless tosser of a manager out of here! Oh well hopefully we get twatted Sunday aswell then!
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The biggest set of clowns I've ever seen at Aston Villa. Please, sell up and go, I beg you.
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Setting out to not get beat too badly is basically a TSM tactic.
Or Mourinho, depends which way you look at it. Chelsea did exactly the same at Liverpool but with better players punished them twice and he's considered one of the best managers in the world.
Oh, please, there's a bit of a difference between Mourinho's tactics and setting out to limit the size of the defeat.
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"Having a go" is like "get stuck in" or "put your foot in", expressions of general encouragement not specific strategy. I wanted to see us assume a positive attitude towards the game. I suggest that being positive is not the same as urging the players to have a go.
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Setting out to not get beat too badly is basically a TSM tactic.
Or Mourinho, depends which way you look at it. Chelsea did exactly the same at Liverpool but with better players punished them twice and he's considered one of the best managers in the world.
Don't be daft. Mourinho didn't go to Anfield hoping to keep the scoreline respectable.
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Setting out to not get beat too badly is basically a TSM tactic.
Or Mourinho, depends which way you look at it. Chelsea did exactly the same at Liverpool but with better players punished them twice and he's considered one of the best managers in the world.
Oh, please, there's a bit of a difference between Mourinho's tactics and setting out to limit the size of the defeat.
Personally I think you are being rather silly if you believe Villa tried to to just keep it to a respectable defeat. I would imagine they hoped to keep City as quiet as they could, for as long as possible and hopefully nick a goal against the run of play. Exactly what Chelsea did at Liverpool. The problem is we have no one who can offer a threat, especially minus three key attacking players. Anyway, enough of talking about this. We all know the problem so let's hope something changes. See you in August.
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I don't get why anyone would get worked up about this. Our season ended when Norwich didn't beat Chelsea. We lost because Man City are better than us.
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I don't get why anyone would get worked up about this. Our season ended when Norwich didn't beat Chelsea. We lost because Man City are better than us.
Amen
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We actually did really well for 63 mins then it was embarrassing
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To think Benteke won't play until November! How depressing is that? Randy: please sell-up and go!
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I don't get why anyone would get worked up about this. Our season ended when Norwich didn't beat Chelsea. We lost because Man City are better than us.
Because all of us care about what is happening to our club.
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You can fuck off now Lambert and take that useless purple dot with you
Bit harsh but that's down to Legion, not Lambo so blame him.
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I care too. I was annoyed when we lost to Palace (twice), Sheffield United, Shit FC and AFC Crap, but losing away to title-challenging Man City when we have bugger all to play for is hardly a reason to be grasping for the Prozac.
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The good news is, for some unknown reason, we are live again on Sunday!
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Sky seem a bit deflated by it all!
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We all now there are major issues and problems at this club that need to be rectified this summer. We were always going to be soundly beaten tonight as we always are at this stadium (even when we were good). Only positive to me were Grealish and Robinson getting more minutes.
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It's because we're playing the glamour boys of White Hart Lane. Why wouldn't anybody want to watch?
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Theres not an ounce of quality in our squad bar benteke! Tonight not one shot on goal and not one decent attack! It was like watching an old fa cup tie. Division one against vauxhall conference! In fact all our games are like that these days!
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Theres not an ounce of quality in our squad bar benteke!
And Delph. And Vlaar. And Guzan.
And Bacuna, Westwood, Kozak and Weimann at times.
And hopefully Okore
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Guzan - Free
Lowton - 2 million
Bertrand - Loan
Baker - Youth
Clark - Youth
Vlaar - 4 million
El Ahmadi - 2 million
Westwood - 2 million
Delph - 6 million
Weimann - Youth
Bowery - 500k
What were we expecting really? The commentator said their front 4 was worth more than 6 times the worth of our entire 11. Well in my calculations, they had a player on the bench in Fernandinho who cost twice the worth of our entire team. To defeat these odds twice in a season was never likely, but it illustrates how fricking tough it is. I am not sure Lambert could have done much more with the players he had available really. We could hardly go gung ho, 2009 seems a long time ago when you compare the Villa and Man City teams of then to the ones of today.
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Theres not an ounce of quality in our squad bar benteke! Tonight not one shot on goal and not one decent attack! It was like watching an old fa cup tie. Division one against vauxhall conference! In fact all our games are like that these days!
Apart from hitting the bar that would have made it 2-1.
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Bacuna's "defending" for Toure's goal was so amateur. You know you're never gonna catch the most powerful dribbler in the league when he gets past you, so I don't know, maybe try and block where he's looking to go instead of trying to race him?
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Another desperate performance! Sick to Fuckin death! Its a shame we didn't get twatted by a few more to help that useless tosser of a manager out of here! Oh well hopefully we get twatted Sunday aswell then!
If you're going to write something like that please do it somewhere else.
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Theres not an ounce of quality in our squad bar benteke! Tonight not one shot on goal and not one decent attack! It was like watching an old fa cup tie. Division one against vauxhall conference! In fact all our games are like that these days!
Apart from hitting the bar that would have made it 2-1.
And the 20odd pass move, and the Wiemann break.
It's shit to get tonked 4-0, but fuck me, with 5 of our attackers out injured what exactly were we meant to do tonight against one of the best sides in Europe?
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Until recently stranded Sunderland above us. Yet more shame in a season full of it. How many more depths can we plumb?
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Theres not an ounce of quality in our squad bar benteke! Tonight not one shot on goal and not one decent attack! It was like watching an old fa cup tie. Division one against vauxhall conference! In fact all our games are like that these days!
sounds about right to me
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Until recently stranded Sunderland above us. Yet more shame in a season full of it. How many more depths can we plumb?
At least they'll be no end of season papering over the cracks like there was this time 12 months ago. The club is a mess from top to bottom and they'll be no hiding it this time around.
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Until recently stranded Sunderland above us. Yet more shame in a season full of it. How many more depths can we plumb?
The Baggies being pride of the (West)Midlands on a mahoosive 39 points.
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What did people realistically expect tonight?
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It's nearly over, we need change. The bright spots are overwhelmed by the loss of direction at the club. We have good players that need a new leader. Bad ones that need replacing. The right manager can fix things.
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How many times have we been bashed by 4 goals this year. Possibly another record broken? It's shocking how regularly this team just totally collapses
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How many times have we been bashed by 4 goals this year. Possibly another record broken? It's shocking how regularly this team just totally collapses
Second time this season we've lost by 4, the other was Spuds in the LC.
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What did people realistically expect tonight?
A shot on target
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What did people realistically expect tonight?
A miracle in some cases.
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Until recently stranded Sunderland above us. Yet more shame in a season full of it. How many more depths can we plumb?
The Baggies being pride of the (West)Midlands on a mahoosive 39 points.
They won't beat Stoke, they never do. We will at least finish above Albion. Bizarrely if we beat Spurs we could finish 12th!
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I did not expect anything different. In all honesty I don't care, let's just see what next season brings
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What did people realistically expect tonight?
A change of system when were losing ??
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How many times have we been bashed by 4 goals this year. Possibly another record broken? It's shocking how regularly this team just totally collapses
Second time this season we've lost by 4, the other was Spuds in the LC.
I was thinking conceding 4. Think its 4 in the last 7?
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I dread to think what next season will be like if the Insane Clowns Posse are still with us.
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How many times have we been bashed by 4 goals this year. Possibly another record broken? It's shocking how regularly this team just totally collapses
Second time this season we've lost by 4, the other was Spuds in the LC.
I was thinking conceding 4. Think its 4 in the last 7?
4 times in the last 8. The only league games this season we've conceded 4, it's bizarre how we've gone from okayish in defence to shit.
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What did i realistically expect tonight? Well i predicted 5-0 on the pre match thread so i should be pleased it was only 4-0 . This villa team under this clueless manager is so bad that i expect to lose and lose heavy in most games we play .3 out of the last four away games we have conceded 4
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You can fuck off now Lambert and take that useless purple dot with you
Bit harsh but that's down to Legion, not Lambo so blame him.
It was tongue in cheek
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What did people realistically expect tonight?
Exactly what we got. I think that's the point.
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What did people realistically expect tonight?
Exactly what we got. I think that's the point.
Indeed.
Nobody is surprised we looked like Burton Albion away at Everton in the third round of the FA Cup.
They are just annoyed it has got to that point.
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The sad thing is that tonight could have happened to just about any team in the league.
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What was the point of such negative tactics? Just f**k off Lambert!
Man City player, "We knew before the game that Aston Villa would probably play with ten behind the ball".
Summed up perfectly Lambert's tactics.
Probably what most teams do there.
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Can't agree Tom. Everyone and ourselves expected it - of Aston Villa. And worse WE are relieved that it wasn't worse.
We are cannon fodder. Most of the other teams at 'our' end of the table have found fight in them.
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You could argue that this squad is worse than the O'Leary squad at the end of the 2005-06 season - we won't reach the 42 points achieved that season. What sort of legacy is that from Lerner after 8 years? He's wrecked the club and the sooner he sells up the better! Lerner=failure.
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If we'd gone for it and got thrashed 8-0 like at Chelsea would you have been pleased?
he parked the bus and lost 4-0
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Meh.
They have £20+ million players in near enough every position. We don't.
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Meh.
They have £20+ million players in near enough every position. We don't.
That's fair enough for tonight, but what about when Stoke rampantly bummed us in the face at home and stuck four past us?
Anyone who thinks people are really just moaning about tonight is kidding themselves.
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Meh.
They have £20+ million players in near enough every position. We don't.
And what's the excuse for all the other times we've been thrashed this season?
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Precisely. This constant barrage of focus on Lambert is all well and good but his sacking / resignation will solve NOTHING but makes us all feel better for a couple months. You get what you pay for these days - tonight just showed that - and we will be the same next year irrespective the man doing the managing unless the philosophy of the club and those that run it change.
Not going to lose any sleep over only managing 3 points off the champions this season. I suggest some of you do the same.
Difficult at the best of times but with our attacking options severely tested it was always going to be a hang in and hope performance against a team that has scored 100 goals this season.
I get that Man City will be champions and that they have a world class squad built at vast expense. I get that.
But that has nothing to do with how desperately poor we are and how badly our club is being run. That's why I feel so low; getting thrashed by Man City is just a symptom.
Well get used to it. Until we invest in a PL squad we will struggle. The squad has been stripped of quality and currently has too many key players missing. Simply put, it can't cope. Without investment we will exist simply to survive.
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Jeez how god awful have we become?
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Jeez how god awful have we become?
We are a pitiful club at present.
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The sad thing is that tonight could have happened to just about any team in the league.
what you mean ? us losing to wba , stoke and norwich 4-0 ;)
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Why is Lambert saying he shouldn't play the youth for on avtv. One more game.....
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I want to be annoyed, but I couldn't give two fucks. The rest of this season has battered the shit out of my nerves. I'd have liked to have seen us get a result, but all the attacking tactics in the world couldn't change the fact that we're not a very good team, we're managed by a bloke who has no understanding of setting up a football side, and losing doesn't make it any more likely we'll be sold to a zillionaire. We survived, and until further news comes out I don't really have the energy left for 2013/14.
I'm with others on this - we're a grand old institution that's been given a few coats of paint and left to attract a crowd. The people in charge had neither the means nor the heart to restore it to its former glory, because if they did, we wouldn't be coming off the back of a win against Hull City feeling like we want the season to be over - we'd be aching for next season to begin. So do yourself a favour: don't wail because we lost to a team worth £200 million, wail because we put out a team worth £19 million and the people who make the decisions thought that was the best thing for Aston Villa Football Club.
Well said that man.
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Shame Weimann's header didn't go in ,Toure is one hell of a player,Bertrand is weak isn't he ?Thought we looks a lot worse after Bowery went off,we did have a spell in the game when we passed it quite well but in the end we were carrying about 4/5 players.
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Must admit i've seen little to suggest Bertrand is going to be much of an upgrade on what we already have. Is that down to him not really being that good, our coaching, or just us being crap?
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Meh.
They have £20+ million players in near enough every position. We don't.
And what's the excuse for all the other times we've been thrashed this season?
Touche.
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Not surprised by the thrashing and as I watched it I just accepted it without much feeling or anger because thats what the last 4 years has reduced me to, same owner plus same manager next season and were down.
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I though Clark was very good tonight. On the other hand Bacuna coming on changed it for us as he didn't do his job of controlling Zabaleta.
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The players can't keep possession for long, regardless of the opponents so it's surprising we've stayed up. The midfield looked less than insipid and Bertrand has apparently seamlessly fitted in with the hapless defending instilled over the last 2 years.
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Boss Paul Lambert hailed the fight and determination of his players in the loss to Man City.
Lambert was pleased with the way his team competed against the champions elect for over an hour.
Eventually, City's class shone through although Lambert insisted that the claret and blue injury list played a big part in the final score.
He said: "I thought we did fantastic. I really did, especially in that first hour we were excellent.
"We were frustrating them. The game plan was working fantastically well.
"I knew we wouldn't come here and dominate the ball. We had to play counter-attacking.
"Obviously Andi had a chance. We had a spell. We just couldn't get a goal.
"Moments like that, you have to take them.
"We were good in that first half. We had some little chances to score.
"I couldn't ask any more. They gave me absolutely everything.
"The realistic thing is that the injury list to our big players is huge. We had to bring in two lads from the academy.
"We have had some major injuries with Libor Kozak, Christian Benteke and Jores Okore and tonight we were missing Gabby Agbonlahor and Marc Albrighton. It was too much for us.
"But effort-wise, I couldn't fault them.
"I was very proud of the effort. They gave me everything they had. It was a big, big effort.
"The edginess was starting to set in for Man City. You look at the players they have got and the squad they have got. They are going for the title.
"I am proud of my own team."
On the title race, he added: "Man City are in the driving seat. You never know.
"Liverpool will have a go at it, I'm pretty sure.
"On the last day of the season, anything can happen."
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I thought we defended very very well in the first half, and were about as threatening as they were when we countered (which is to say 'not very threatening', but hey). Second half, as soon as they got the first it was always likely to turn into something of an annihilation, and that Yaya Toure goal was preposterous. He doesn't use the same physics as the rest of us.
These things happen, and to better teams than ourselves. Nice to see both Robinson and Grealish on the pitch and I hope they get longer against Spurs, where I think we could get a result. Lambert's future should not be decided by games such as these - losing to Fulham 4-1 was considerably less acceptable than anything like this.
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Boss Paul Lambert hailed the fight and determination of his players in the loss to Man City.
Lambert was pleased with the way his team competed against the champions elect for over an hour.
Eventually, City's class shone through although Lambert insisted that the claret and blue injury list played a big part in the final score.
He said: "I thought we did fantastic. I really did, especially in that first hour we were excellent.
"We were frustrating them. The game plan was working fantastically well.
"I knew we wouldn't come here and dominate the ball. We had to play counter-attacking.
"Obviously Andi had a chance. We had a spell. We just couldn't get a goal.
"Moments like that, you have to take them.
"We were good in that first half. We had some little chances to score.
"I couldn't ask any more. They gave me absolutely everything.
"The realistic thing is that the injury list to our big players is huge. We had to bring in two lads from the academy.
"We have had some major injuries with Libor Kozak, Christian Benteke and Jores Okore and tonight we were missing Gabby Agbonlahor and Marc Albrighton. It was too much for us.
"But effort-wise, I couldn't fault them.
"I was very proud of the effort. They gave me everything they had. It was a big, big effort.
"The edginess was starting to set in for Man City. You look at the players they have got and the squad they have got. They are going for the title.
"I am proud of my own team."
On the title race, he added: "Man City are in the driving seat. You never know.
"Liverpool will have a go at it, I'm pretty sure.
"On the last day of the season, anything can happen."
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And what about the 30 odd other games, mostly against mediocre opposition where we've adopted exactly the same tactics?
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I like Lambert I really do. But come off it. It was not a "fantastic effort". We lost 4-0 without troubling them.
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Must admit i've seen little to suggest Bertrand is going to be much of an upgrade on what we already have. Is that down to him not really being that good, our coaching, or just us being crap?
We've won 3 games with him in, i don't think he's very good tbh.
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Pathetic. As expected
Did Hart even touch the ball ?
Talk about a shitfest. A game where we've absolutely NOTHING to play for yet we go 5-6-0
Hilarious. A fitting end to this ****** reign
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We didn't even compete tonight. That's what bugs me.
We just defended for an hour, then hoped it wouldn't be another 8-0. Pathetic.
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as for Bertrand. a 2/3m signing at best
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I though Clark was very good tonight. On the other hand Bacuna coming on changed it for us as he didn't do his job of controlling Zabaleta.
Bacuna should play as an attacking midfielder only
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as for Bertrand. a 2/3m signing at best
Why pay 2/3m for an average player, haven't we already bought enough.
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Anyone else see the girl out of coronation street in the away end tonight
Supports villa apparently, errrr obviously why she was in with us
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Anyone else see the girl out of coronation street in the away end tonight
Supports villa apparently, errrr obviously why she was in with us
Poor girl. Twice cursed.
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Thank God there is only one game to go and not four or five.
No progress made in 2 years. Very disappointing. We'll go down with that team next season.
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Anyone else see the girl out of coronation street in the away end tonight
Supports villa apparently, errrr obviously why she was in with us
Which actress out of Coronation Street? I ask, as that only thing approaching a positive I can take from that tonight. We looked and played like a lower league side there for a cup tie.
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Just back.
Disgusted that we seemed to set up like a McLeish team from the off, just to keep the score down.
With safety guaranteed I'd have been proud of a gutsy, lets go for it 2 - 4 to them.
Instead we were made to look like shitty also-rans with no intention of bothering the opposition or the scoreboard.
No pride in that!
Shit.
Utter shit!
Been sitting on the Lambert fence.
After tonight he can fcuk right off!
I want us to have a good day on Sunday, throw caution to the wind, at least try to worry the opposition a bit, and go home a deludedly-happyish Villa fan after a shit season.
Thought we looked at our best when Robinson had his 10 minutes and Grealish 3.
Any sub needs 30 mins minimum in my book.
What's the point Lambert, you knob!
Just Feck Off!
Yours faithfully,
Mr Angry and 70 quid worse off,
Stourbridge. xxx
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Anyone else see the girl out of coronation street in the away end tonight
Supports villa apparently, errrr obviously why she was in with us
Which actress out of Coronation Street? I ask, as that only thing approaching a positive I can take from that tonight. We looked and played like a lower league side there for a cup tie.
it was Krissi Bohn the girl who plays Jenna (Lloyds daughter)
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Painful how many goals we concede at the Etihad each season (Bar the cup win last year, when we still conceded 2).
My review of the lads who played tonight:
Bertrand - quite frankly shocking in my opinion, just another poser who will probably end up at Spurs with the rest of the quiff boys. For anyone on Instagram, have a gander at his, CRINGE!
Where would you like to go Ciaran Clarke? because i will carry you there with pleasure. Awful, absolutely awful. So unorthodox.
I'm Sorry Caramel Ahmadi tiny glimpses of tidyness just isn't enough.
Lowton. i want him to do well, but he's a scaredy cat, not good enough.
Guzan, i'm in love, the guy deserves a big money move to Arsenal where he should have gone in the first place as he's 100 times better than the two poles in goals they have and if he was in goal in the 2011 carling cup final i wouldn't have to take shit from SH fans.
Bowery - good effort mate, but one good performance in 2 years? No thanks. Says it all that Lambert says it's all about belief with him. League 1 my lord, if that!
Weimann - love the effort, but am i the only one who hopes he is warming the bench next year? 2 goals on Sat does not cover the major cracks we've witnessed in his game this season. Headless Chicken.
Bacuna? Shite.
Westy and Delph have big futures. But still need to avoid going missing for 40 mins every game.
Vlaar - Either looks like a World beater or a total clown, make your mind up!
Baker? BEAST in the air. Will break someones leg very soon, and will get sent off more times than Lee Cattermole during his career.
Robinson - Potential Gabby type player with a brain?
Our Fans - Faultless.
Either way, looking at the back of this seasons programme compared to previous years proves we are going backwards. Significant changes required.
Goodnight.
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Boom. Drops the mike.
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Had a look at Bertrand on Instagram. Your right what a pxxxx.
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Utter cheese.
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Anyone else see the girl out of coronation street in the away end tonight
Supports villa apparently, errrr obviously why she was in with us
Which actress out of Coronation Street? I ask, as that only thing approaching a positive I can take from that tonight. We looked and played like a lower league side there for a cup tie.
Knowing our luck it's Fizz.
Edit: Lloyd's daughter, cool. Up the Villa bab!
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Get real some of you yes we set up to defend that was our only option, we were playing a side that are worth a small nations annual budget, so we go out and attack and and they stick eight past us how would you feel then? i'm quite sure you would be screaming that Lambert was stupid to set up like that.
We have had terrible luck this season with injuries and the owner not spending to strengthen in January left us vunerable, Lambert doesn't deserve another season but don't crucify him when he had limited options.
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That game was as much about Lambert's CV as for Aston Villa, he did not want another 8-0 defeat fresh on his record, in that way he got what he set out for, damage limitation.
Would have been lovely to see some changes being made at half time when it was still scoreless, because the last thing Man City would have expected was us to come out and have a go for the second 45, but that takes a bit of imagination and Lambert is sadly lacking in that field.
Nice man Lambert, gets the club, but limited and always will be and working for an owner who since he has lost interest, has put in two patsy's to take the flack while he sits and watches Rome burn and because he has done some good things, all of the pitch needless to say, has got away with it, till January this year, when the fans have rumbled him and his total lack of interest and ambition to cut costs being the only important factor of Aston Villa Football Club, the important word there Randy, Football Club,
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A massive gulf in class between the sides. They bring Jovetic off the bench, what was he? £26m? If we'd have gone toe to toe with City the game would have been over long before half time. None of us like it but putting your allegiances aside and looking at our squad it's made up of sub standard players. Guzan is a decent PL keeper, Delph could do a job for a side hovering around Europa and then there is Benteke who looks like he has the attributes to play at the top. After that it's a struggle to see a player who would get a regular game for another Premiership side. Without serious investment in the summer we have to be one of the favourites to go down next season.
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Anyone else see the girl out of coronation street in the away end tonight
Supports villa apparently, errrr obviously why she was in with us
Which actress out of Coronation Street? I ask, as that only thing approaching a positive I can take from that tonight. We looked and played like a lower league side there for a cup tie.
Knowing our luck it's Fizz.
Edit: Lloyd's daughter, cool. Up the Villa bab!
Top girl, good to now she's one of us.
I was hoping it would be Eva, but never mind...
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Must admit i've seen little to suggest Bertrand is going to be much of an upgrade on what we already have. Is that down to him not really being that good, our coaching, or just us being crap?
I agree. Been saying it for weeks. He's won the league and Champions League and is obviously thinking "what the fuck am I doing here?!?!". No way should we waste that much money on a player who decides when he wants to play.
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That's fair enough for tonight, but what about when Stoke rampantly bummed us in the face at home and stuck four past us?
Anyone who thinks people are really just moaning about tonight is kidding themselves.
That's actually my point though, paulie. People get themselves into such an anti-Lambert frenzy that they think that we lose because of him and we win despite him. As such, whenever we lose now it's Lambert this, Lambert that. Yes, have a go at him when we lose 4-1 to Stoke because that's clearly not good enough. We actually lost to a team last night that most teams would have been battered by, and they had plenty to play for and we had bugger all. And people saying "We shouldn't lose like this because we are Aston Villa." Come off it - we've been shit for years.
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I honestly don't get where some people picked up there football awareness from. We were playing probably the most expensive squad ever assembled and we had half a team unavailable. For over an hour we frustrated them but they just wore us down and when we then tried to respond they just picked us off.
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I thought we defended well for around 70 minutes. I thought Baker was excellent and Clark and Vlaar were also commanding. We've got rid of cornalty and we win just about every header there now. There first was going to come and 4 flattered them a little in the end because most of the time we defended their possession well and they weren't actually giving Guzan too much to do. I also thought Bowery did well enough until the nose break affected him too much.
Obviously not pleased with a 4-0 defeat and there are worrying signs for next season, but they have always been there. But, if Gabby and Benteke had have been fit I think that we would have posed a few more problems for them. As it is our 3 first-choice forwards are all injured so we were always going to be up against it.
Good for Robinson and Grealish to get a run also.
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I didn't think last night was half as bad as a lot of people are making out.
We contained them pretty well for over an hour and although I appreciate goals count whenever they are scored the 2 they got in the last couple of minutes gave the scoreline a rather more lopsided look that the game merited.
If Andi's header had gone in City would have shut up shop in all likelihood and we'd all have been pleased with a narrow defeat.
There are far more serious counts on the Paul Lambert indictment than last night.
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I honestly don't get where some people picked up there football awareness from. We were playing probably the most expensive squad ever assembled and we had half a team unavailable. For over an hour we frustrated them but they just wore us down and when we then tried to respond they just picked us off.
Exactly, I was quite pleased with the performance, considering their resources as opposed to ours.
I certainly expected us to lose and probably fold earlier than we did in all honesty.
Yaya Toure's goal at the end was superb too.
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If last nights performance is all that Aston Villa can manage then we may as well give up!
10 men in and around our own penalty area, if that was McLeish that did that people on here would be slaughtering him
If we go into next season with the same squad, manager & owner then I we are down. We need massive investment and a different way of playing.....
Foe me last night the only palyers to come out with a half decent perfromance were Guzan (MOTM), Vlaar and Weiman, the rest were awful!
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Watching that rather depressing performance last night it occurred to me why I don't object to Citeh as much as Liverpool. I don't actually know any Citeh fans so I won't get any grief today. There's a couple I'm aware of at work but nothing like the legions of glory hunting Liverpool supporting wankers I've encountered throughout my whole life. So fair play to Citeh, win that title on Sunday.
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plus, Rodgers is a pseudo-intellectual knob head tool of planet-like proportions.
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Quite right the two late goals gave the match a worse feel, than what it felt at the time of watching and yes the players missing through injury up front have effected our shape and ability to hurt people, but if anyone really thinks that Gabby would have made a difference, Kozak and to a certain extent Benteke, I think it is self denial, when we had those players available, they had hardly set the prem on fire and when we did have them, how much off are play has been hoof ball because of the tactics of the incumbent, Man City would have just lapped that up all day.
Players and squad players make a team and ours are just not good enough and unless something drastic is done, next season will be a copy of this season, but maybe with a far far worse outcome.
Oh by the way, the energy of Ya Ya for the fourth and that was the 92nd minute, thats what good players are capable off.
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One of the closest games for me all season, and I miss most of the first half in traffic. Second City? Get to fuck you stupid cotton mill town. And it pissed it down. And it was £47.00. And we were rubbish.
Oh well.
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I want to be annoyed, but I couldn't give two fucks. The rest of this season has battered the shit out of my nerves. I'd have liked to have seen us get a result, but all the attacking tactics in the world couldn't change the fact that we're not a very good team, we're managed by a bloke who has no understanding of setting up a football side, and losing doesn't make it any more likely we'll be sold to a zillionaire. We survived, and until further news comes out I don't really have the energy left for 2013/14.
I'm with others on this - we're a grand old institution that's been given a few coats of paint and left to attract a crowd. The people in charge had neither the means nor the heart to restore it to its former glory, because if they did, we wouldn't be coming off the back of a win against Hull City feeling like we want the season to be over - we'd be aching for next season to begin. So do yourself a favour: don't wail because we lost to a team worth £200 million, wail because we put out a team worth £19 million and the people who make the decisions thought that was the best thing for Aston Villa Football Club.
Absolutely brilliant post. It almost deserves thread of its own.
Superbly said CO.
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Expected a one sided beating and that's what it was. So there's no real anger, which pisses me off more than a 4-0 drubbing, the fact a 4-0 drubbing doesn't anger me anymore. 10 minutes for Robinson and 3 for Grealish, pointless, sums up Lamberts substitutions.
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Expected a one sided beating and that's what it was. So there's no real anger, which pisses me off more than a 4-0 drubbing, the fact a 4-0 drubbing doesn't anger me anymore. 10 minutes for Robinson and 3 for Grealish, pointless, sums up Lamberts substitutions.
This should be a supplement to CO post.
We lost. We lost to a much better team who's financial wealth reserves dwarfs every other sporting club/franchise/represenation in the globe.
We lost with no dignity - that is the reality.
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Dzeko and 4-0 at 22/1 made my night.
Roll on next season and big changes.
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Dzeko and 4-0 at 22/1 made my night.
Roll on next season and big changes.
I put £3 on a Villa win at 14/1. Had a quid on Weimann first goal and Villa 2-1 AT 400/1 and also Delph first goal and 2-2 for 700/1. So in a nutshell I wasted a fiver.....
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Expected a one sided beating and that's what it was. So there's no real anger, which pisses me off more than a 4-0 drubbing, the fact a 4-0 drubbing doesn't anger me anymore. 10 minutes for Robinson and 3 for Grealish, pointless, sums up Lamberts substitutions.
I was going to mention the subs. What I couldn't understand was why he brought Bacuna on for Bowery. Why not give Robinson half hour?
As for the game, you just knew that if they got one then they would go on to score more.
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Good Morning Campers! It doesnt matter what happened last night and it doesnt matter what happens on Sunday. What does matter is Randy's statement to the world sometime next week. That matters very much.
As for last night I gave up at 2-0. I thought we put on a highly impressive defensive performance until then and I thought if we can nick the one chance we might get and hold on, well....
But we didn't. Weimann had that chance but didnt have faith in his own ability to run on and place his shot. Weimann's work ethic is to be admired, he ran himself into the ground. But you need more than that in the top division and he lacks any kind of technical ability or a footballing brain.
I hope Randy's statement is to our liking. Its obvious that big changes are needed for next season
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Very big changes needed if we are to extricate ourselves from the long deepening trench we have diligently ploughed for ourselves over the past decade or two. Time to benefit from whatever we have seeded in that furrow, if we have planted anything at all..currently we have a bunch of vegetables!
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38 points that still 3 less than TSM in his only season! Reason to go?
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38 points that still 3 less than TSM in his only season! Reason to go?
I thought TSM got 38. One less than when with Blues.
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Yes, McLiesh picked up 38 points.
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You could argue that this squad is worse than the O'Leary squad at the end of the 2005-06 season - we won't reach the 42 points achieved that season. What sort of legacy is that from Lerner after 8 years? He's wrecked the club and the sooner he sells up the better! Lerner=failure.
it's the worst squad I can remember
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On TalkSport yesterday, Collymore said that Sunderland have a 'far better' squad than us. Do they? How has it come to this?
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Sunderland's squad looks a poor one to me, so on a level with our own, but without a world class player in it.
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On TalkSport yesterday, Collymore said that Sunderland have a 'far better' squad than us. Do they? How has it come to this?
Hyperbole from him based on them having had some decent results lately. He would not have said that 4 weeks ago.
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If our realistic aspiration is to be a consistent Top 8 side, the only players we have that are definitely good enough are Guzan, Vlaar, Delph and Benteke.
Everyone else is either too inconsistent, too inexperienced, or too crap.
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If our realistic aspiration is to be a consistent Top 8 side, the only players we have that are definitely good enough are Guzan, Vlaar, Delph and Benteke.
Everyone else is either too inconsistent, too inexperienced, or too crap.
Yep we need 6 first teamers then the inconsistent / inexperienced (Westwood / Lowton / Bacuna / Weiman) can become squad players and the crap one (at least 6) can be binned/sold.
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Anyone else see the girl out of coronation street in the away end tonight
Supports villa apparently, errrr obviously why she was in with us
Which actress out of Coronation Street? I ask, as that only thing approaching a positive I can take from that tonight. We looked and played like a lower league side there for a cup tie.
it was Krissi Bohn the girl who plays Jenna (Lloyds daughter)
always thought she was a poor actress
she deserves an oscar now ;)
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The one reason why we should have played Hutton last night , he probably would have put Toure in Row z before he scored that goal ;)
great goal but knife through water
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Sunderland's squad looks a poor one to me, so on a level with our own, but without a world class player in it.
that got a draw against $$ity and should have won
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On TalkSport yesterday, Collymore said that Sunderland have a 'far better' squad than us. Do they? How has it come to this?
Hyperbole from him based on them having had some decent results lately. He would not have said that 4 weeks ago.
fantastic results . Dont think the team is better , their midfield at the moment looks good even thou they are championship players . its poyet thats got them playing well . He deserves the credit.
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Sunderlands squad has more players in it that have been in and around the Prem for a while. They've got O Shea and Brown as cb's which makes them marginally stronger in that department than us, as we've only really got Vlaar who you could comfortably call a Prem standard CB (too early to judge on Okore, though I fancy he'll be quality). Our old boy Carlos hasn't been great there but I'd take him over Baker.
Looking at their midfield, Johnson would walk into our side. Gardner and Larsson would probably offer more than KEA, and possibly even Westwood. Cattermole is shite but I suppose when you want a bit of blood and thunder he can offer that. We don't have that sort of player and we've lacked it at times this season in the middle. Ki's quite good.
To be honest if you were making a match day 18 out of the two respective squads, on paper it'd have more Sunderland players in it. I would add that it would have very few Di Canio signings there, which tells you a lot about the state Poyet inherited too. In terms of genuine standout players, we of course have Guzan and Benteke. Delph is better than anything they have in midfield too.
However 3-4 good players gets you no where. We need more and we need them quickly.
It doesn't surprise me that Sunderland will probably finish ahead of us though. Poyet has got players performing there again and he's also done remarkable job of cleaning up after Di Canio. For me it's a toss up between him and Pulis for manager of the year, because both clubs should have been dead and buried by Xmas.
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It doesn't surprise me that Sunderland will probably finish ahead of us though. Poyet has got players performing there again and he's also done remarkable job of cleaning up after Di Canio. For me it's a toss up between him and Pulis for manager of the year, because both clubs should have been dead and buried by Xmas.
Holloway? Do you mean Pulis?
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Gardner and Larsson would probably offer more than KEA, and possibly even Westwood.
IMO KEA is not even championship material. Runs around a lot and achieves little. How PL picks him to start so often is beyond me.
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hes not done alot in two years to be fair
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Sunderland's squad looks a poor one to me, so on a level with our own, but without a world class player in it.
that got a draw against $$ity and should have won
And got beat at home by us. Sunderland are shit.
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Gardner and Larsson would probably offer more than KEA, and possibly even Westwood.
IMO KEA is not even championship material. Runs around a lot and achieves little. How PL picks him to start so often is beyond me.
I don't think he even runs around a lot! But he is a Lambert favourite like Bacuna so has to play.
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It doesn't surprise me that Sunderland will probably finish ahead of us though. Poyet has got players performing there again and he's also done remarkable job of cleaning up after Di Canio. For me it's a toss up between him and Pulis for manager of the year, because both clubs should have been dead and buried by Xmas.
Holloway? Do you mean Pulis?
Ha ha. Yep. You spotted that just before I got the edit.
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Gardner and Larsson would probably offer more than KEA, and possibly even Westwood.
IMO KEA is not even championship material. Runs around a lot and achieves little. How PL picks him to start so often is beyond me.
I don't think he even runs around a lot! But he is a Lambert favourite like Bacuna so has to play.
Middle of the season KEA seemed to be finding some sort of form but he's reverted back to anonymity again in the last couple of months.
Bacuna has been poor lately too.
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Had a look at Bertrand on Instagram. Your right what a pxxxx.
Any links?
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Anyone else see the girl out of coronation street in the away end tonight
Supports villa apparently, errrr obviously why she was in with us
Which actress out of Coronation Street? I ask, as that only thing approaching a positive I can take from that tonight. We looked and played like a lower league side there for a cup tie.
Knowing our luck it's Fizz.
Edit: Lloyd's daughter, cool. Up the Villa bab!
Top girl, good to now she's one of us.
I was hoping it would be Eva, but never mind...
She doesn't support Villa, she was with her husband who does.
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Had a look at Bertrand on Instagram. Your right what a pxxxx.
Any links?
http://instagram.com/iamryanbertrand#
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Gardner and Larsson would probably offer more than KEA, and possibly even Westwood.
IMO KEA is not even championship material. Runs around a lot and achieves little. How PL picks him to start so often is beyond me.
I don't think he even runs around a lot! But he is a Lambert favourite like Bacuna so has to play.
Middle of the season KEA seemed to be finding some sort of form but he's reverted back to anonymity again in the last couple of months.
Bacuna has been poor lately too.
The defence has been heavily criticised (rightly on many occasions) but there is nothing in front of them to offer any sort of protection. There's a big hole in midfield that needs filling. Every club has the strong, ball-winning, holding midfielder as a basic necessity - except us. Whoever plays there is outmuscled too easily.
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Had a look at Bertrand on Instagram. Your right what a pxxxx.
Any links?
http://instagram.com/iamryanbertrand#
Yeah...um...lets look elsewhere for a left back this summer.
Stephen Irelanditus.
What an end of a bell.
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Gardner and Larsson would probably offer more than KEA, and possibly even Westwood.
IMO KEA is not even championship material. Runs around a lot and achieves little. How PL picks him to start so often is beyond me.
I don't think he even runs around a lot! But he is a Lambert favourite like Bacuna so has to play.
Middle of the season KEA seemed to be finding some sort of form but he's reverted back to anonymity again in the last couple of months.
Bacuna has been poor lately too.
The defence has been heavily criticised (rightly on many occasions) but there is nothing in front of them to offer any sort of protection. There's a big hole in midfield that needs filling. Every club has the strong, ball-winning, holding midfielder as a basic necessity - except us. Whoever plays there is outmuscled too easily.
True. Honestly Delph has looked like he's carrying the can on his own for most of the games this season. At the end of the day, Delphy is our best player in the middle by a long way, and he's an average player.
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Didn't post last night... mainly as I was "enjoying" a post-match pizza and beer with my Citeh mates.
All last night proved is that Lambert can't park the bus... and Plan B involved moving Weimann a few yards further forward.
Score was as many predicted and sums up where we are: £500 million and a decent coaching set up away from winning the championship.
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Didn't post last night... mainly as I was "enjoying" a post-match pizza and beer with my Citeh mates.
All last night proved is that Lambert can't park the bus... and Plan B involved moving Weimann a few yards further forward.
Score was as many predicted and sums up where we are: £500 million and a decent coaching set up away from winning the championship.
Do you mean the Championship?
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Had a look at Bertrand on Instagram. Your right what a pxxxx.
what's he done other than (no doubt) put loads of shit photos of himself posing around like virtually every other premiership footballer in their early 20's ?
he's an average footballer. no more no less
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Gardner and Larsson would probably offer more than KEA, and possibly even Westwood.
IMO KEA is not even championship material. Runs around a lot and achieves little. How PL picks him to start so often is beyond me.
I don't think he even runs around a lot! But he is a Lambert favourite like Bacuna so has to play.
Middle of the season KEA seemed to be finding some sort of form but he's reverted back to anonymity again in the last couple of months.
Bacuna has been poor lately too.
The defence has been heavily criticised (rightly on many occasions) but there is nothing in front of them to offer any sort of protection. There's a big hole in midfield that needs filling. Every club has the strong, ball-winning, holding midfielder as a basic necessity - except us. Whoever plays there is outmuscled too easily.
Agree with that. Westwood is a decent passer, but offers very little defensively and doesn't offer any kind of physicality. Someone who ticks all three boxes (there must be someone in Europe or South America who does) would be a very good addition.
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If we get taken over lets spend the first 50 million buying Yaya Toure.
I can dream...
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Yaya Toure must be amongst the best players I've seen in this league.
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Yaya Toure must be amongst the best players I've seen in this league.
Agreed. He has the lot. His goal was like watching a 15yr old joining in with an under 8s game the way he powered past everyone in his way.
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Just got back from a week in Spain and watched the match in a hotel tv room full of, you guessed it, Man City fans, all from Manchester which was complete opposite of had it been a game vs United. Not a pleasant night as you can imagine though most of their fans were great. The actual game I could have wrote the script for, I think we all could. The one thing that pissed me off on top everything was something the Sky commentator said in the first half when City were struggling to break us down, he said City's "long suffering fans are going through more agony" or something to that effect. Yes, they only won the title two years ago and a couple of cups too. Compared to that being a Villa fan has been a bed of roses hasn't it? Anyway, moving on, I hope we are a bit more positive at Spurs.