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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: greenwichvilla on May 03, 2014, 06:58:42 PM
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I was having a conversation with a friend earlier about if we'd sacked Lambert earlier this season and got an ex player in to 'lift' the crowd in a similar way to Shearer at Newcastle a few years ago or Giggs now.
Who do you think we would get? He suggested David Platt but it seems there's a fair bit of hostility toward him on here. I thought John Carew, but for all I know he might be rubbish.
Thoughts?
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Melberg or Laursen. Both leaders.
Giggs is a wanker.
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I was having a conversation with a friend earlier about if we'd sacked Lambert earlier this season and got an ex player in to 'lift' the crowd in a similar way to Shearer at Newcastle a few years ago or Giggs now.
Who do you think we would get? He suggested David Platt but it seems there's a fair bit of hostility toward him on here. I thought John Carew, but for all I know he might be rubbish.
Thoughts?
I don't think it would have been the way to go anyway, but if we were to pick a manager specifically to lift the fans, it would have to be Brian Little.
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My main thought is that I hope we never hire a manager solely on the basis that it would boost fans' morale.
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Especially as today and the Shearer season shows, it is a very very short term thing.
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In answer to the thread title, I'd say we would have been a lot more likely to have gone through the trapdoor. Just think about Shearer the year Newcastle went down, or Norwich this year. Change for the sake of change doesn't work
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Laursen is the one that stands out, but maybe Dean Saunders? I would have and still would welcome Brian Little back in any way.
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Ryan isn't a wanker; he's always too busy with the real thing
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Will do it on the post match thread shortly. Can I just say though, fucking yeah!
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I was having a conversation with a friend earlier about if we'd sacked Lambert earlier this season and got an ex player in to 'lift' the crowd in a similar way to Shearer at Newcastle a few years ago or Giggs now.
Who do you think we would get? He suggested David Platt but it seems there's a fair bit of hostility toward him on here. I thought John Carew, but for all I know he might be rubbish.
Thoughts?
I don't think it would have been the way to go anyway, but if we were to pick a manager specifically to lift the fans, it would have to be Brian Little.
Last seen getting bombed out of Gainsborough Trinity. In any case most of our fans now wouldn't know who he is.
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My mates often discuss a similar conundrum. What if we'd have won the league in 1992-3, & not Manure? Would we have gone on to enjoy similar dominance?
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My mates often discuss a similar conundrum. What if we'd have won the league in 1992-3, & not Manure? Would we have gone on to enjoy similar dominance?
Probably not. They would have won it sooner rather than later and the 1,000 Year Reich would have begun then.
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I was having a conversation with a friend earlier about if we'd sacked Lambert earlier this season and got an ex player in to 'lift' the crowd in a similar way to Shearer at Newcastle a few years ago or Giggs now.
Who do you think we would get? He suggested David Platt but it seems there's a fair bit of hostility toward him on here. I thought John Carew, but for all I know he might be rubbish.
Thoughts?
I don't think it would have been the way to go anyway, but if we were to pick a manager specifically to lift the fans, it would have to be Brian Little.
Last seen getting bombed out of Gainsborough Trinity. In any case most of our fans now wouldn't know who he is.
Oh I'm not suggesting that he'd be a brilliant managerial choice as sadly his manager days seem to be behind him, just answering the question who would be a lift for the fans.
You may well be right with your second point - I guess I was looking at it through my own eyes rather than 'the younger generation' (that hurts to type!)
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Southgate
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My main thought is that I hope we never hire a manager solely on the basis that it would boost fans' morale.
Well said, Mr Regan.
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My mates often discuss a similar conundrum. What if we'd have won the league in 1992-3, & not Manure? Would we have gone on to enjoy similar dominance?
Probably not. They would have won it sooner rather than later and the 1,000 Year Reich would have begun then.
I do wonder that if we'd have won it, they might have chopped Ferguson for choking twice on the trot.
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Southgate
Was that a joke?
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Melberg or Laursen. Both leaders.
Giggs is a wanker.
Biggest in the league. Makes Terry look like a saint in comparison.
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Southgate
Was that a joke?
No! A master-stroke, to give us a real scapegoat and lay off the players.
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Southgate
Was that a joke?
No. He's exactly the sort of ex-player that they would hire.
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Ian Taylor would probably be popular, but he's never shown any indication that he would want to go into management.
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Boris Johnson is, inexplicably, popular, but I wouldn't want the bumbling buffoon managing Villa.
We should appoint someone who is good at managing football teams. Not an ex-player as a pathetic Geordiesque sop to the fans.
Mind you, Kent Nielsen's doing well with Aalborg...
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Boris Johnson is, inexplicably, popular, but I wouldn't want the bumbling buffoon managing Villa.
We should appoint someone who is good at managing football teams. Not an ex-player as a pathetic Geordiesque sop to the fans.
Mind you, Kent Nielsen's doing well with Aalborg...
Definitely. There's no room for sentiment really. Results have to come first. It worked out well enough for Little and to a lesser extent Gregory, but they'd got their toes wet before coming here.
I wouldn't be adverse to players like Laursen and Taylor being part of the coaching set up of a more experienced manager. But the top job would be beyond them at this moment in time to be honest.
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Ian Taylor.
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A point worth remembering. All the relegated teams changed managers during the season.
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A point worth remembering. All the relegated teams changed managers during the season.
Good point.
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My mates often discuss a similar conundrum. What if we'd have won the league in 1992-3, & not Manure? Would we have gone on to enjoy similar dominance?
Probably not. They would have won it sooner rather than later and the 1,000 Year Reich would have begun then.
I do wonder that if we'd have won it, they might have chopped Ferguson for choking twice on the trot.
I suspect he would have been given one more season as like it or not they were becoming the team to beat and were underlying becoming stronger.
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Lets not forget Lambert was the "fans" choice.......... by and large fans know pretty much the sum total of fuck all about the workings and goings on of a topflight football club.........
If fans had their own way we'd have a new signing every day, a new manager every time we lose and a new contract for the gaffer every time we pick up some points......
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In such circumstances, Sid would probably be the ex-player most suited to take over the job in the same circumstances Giggs has.
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Lets not forget Lambert was the "fans" choice.......... by and large fans know pretty much the sum total of fuck all about the workings and goings on of a topflight football club.........
If fans had their own way we'd have a new signing every day, a new manager every time we lose and a new contract for the gaffer every time we pick up some points......
Hindsight is 20/20. Problem is, I think we forget just what a big and sometimes difficult job being manager of Aston Villa is. As with players, some managers are going to struggle with the expectations of bigger clubs.
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Lets not forget Lambert was the "fans" choice.......... by and large fans know pretty much the sum total of fuck all about the workings and goings on of a topflight football club.........
If fans had their own way we'd have a new signing every day, a new manager every time we lose and a new contract for the gaffer every time we pick up some points......
Hindsight is 20/20. Problem is, I think we forget just what a big and sometimes difficult job being manager of Aston Villa is. As with players, some managers are going to struggle with the expectations of bigger clubs.
Indeed it is:
Here are a list of managers who didn't understand the scale of the task / size of the club.
Graham Turner
Billy McNeill
Jo Venglos
Graham Taylor Mk II
DOL
Gerard Houllier
Alex McLeish
Paul Lambert
McNeill, DOL and Houllier showed a belittling arrogance towards the club despite the fact that is was they who were out of their depth.
I hate to say it but that is why what Rodgers has done in 18 months or so has been very impressive - taking over a huge, underperforming club from a legend albeit one with dinosaur tactics and completely reshaped them into a progressive attack minded team.
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My main thought is that I hope we never hire a manager solely on the basis that it would boost fans' morale.
This!
Shearer never saved the toon did he?
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My main thought is that I hope we never hire a manager solely on the basis that it would boost fans' morale.
This!
Shearer never saved the toon did he?
Yes - a heart rule the head decision on a professional basis is normally a recipe for disaster.