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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on April 26, 2014, 03:52:54 PM
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Cheers or tears?
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Woeful. Abject.
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Comically bad from us. Again. Shane fucking Long may have saved us though. Utter wank.
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a shambles. A massive shambles. I want my Aston Villa back, Not this shower of shite that is currently masquerading as it
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please rid us of Paul Lambert now
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Gave up listening to it after the third goal. We may stay up but who fucking cares? Beyond dreadful.
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Going down is bad enough in itself but going down now will be a clusterfuck of monumental proportions - miss out on the bigger TV money that comes in next season and miss out on Lerner selling up - no-one's going to want to buy a Championship side. Go and I fear we may be gone for some time
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Wonder which player will be put forward for a question and answer session this week? Nathan Baker?
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4-1 against a team like Swansea is worse than abject. Lambert must go. I used to argue he wasn't as bad as Mcleish but it looks like I was wrong.
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Wake up Randy and do the deed load that gun.
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sack him. Only option to add some positivity
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Everybody associated with this club, just fuck off.
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I have started to hope for relegation, to put us out of our misery.
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It is hard to describe how much Lambert and this Villa team are making me hate football. Golf here I come.
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Christ on a bike 4-1 vs Swansea. Thank God Fulham f**ked it up....
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Lambert needs to go now, tonight. Just not having him around any more might inspire the players. Cos him being there definitely fucking isn't.
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Nathan Baker is so poor he is of Bernie Galagher proportions. Not sure he's even Championship standard.
Lambert can fuck right off tonight too.
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He has to go tonight. Fuck it's bad.
Take fucking Baker with him. Cost us 3 of the goals today the fucking oaf. Long and jelacic will get 5 next week.
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FFS please fucking fire Lambert
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Even if we escape Lambert surely can't survive this can he?
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Another poor performance by us.
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Two simple words please Lambert.
'I quit'
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Now focussed on the teams below us, since we are not showing any signs of saving ourselves. Fulham have to win their last 2. Will be cheering on Man U this evening (ugh). A Cardiff & Sunderland draw would be good.
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Gobsmaked.... thats it.
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A braincell, a braincell, the Holte Pub, our nice restaurants and our excellent corporate facilities for a braincell!
Wield the axe now. It'll bring our collective IQ up to about 12.
Thick twats the lot of 'em.
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We are owned, managed and represented on the pitch by the most soulless, spineless, shameless bunch of zombies imaginable.
Go down or stay up, I wish the lot of them, from top to bottom, would fuck off.
Shithouses!
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Remember when people were taking the piss out of Villa fans for saying a big aim this season would be finishing above Albion?
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Our players went toward our supporters and were told to go away. Oh dear what a shit season. I hope Nicola Keys doesnt phone asking me to renue this weekend.
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Good work on chipping away at our goal difference compared to Norwich as well, you absolute fucking morons.
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Even if we escape Lambert surely can't survive this can he?
No. We know it, and the players clearly know it, which is why he needs to go right now.
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I have strong feelings for Shane Long, without that goal we would almost certainly be down
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Think of the Swansea fans. We had more possession than them on their own turf. When they did that to us at Villa Park the bleating on here went on for weeks.
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It really is Hull or bust now.
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We are owned, managed and represented on the pitch by the most soulless, spineless, shameless bunch of zombies imaginable.
Go down or stay up, I wish the lot of them, from top to bottom, would fuck off.
Shithouses!
Spot on.
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We are owned, managed and represented on the pitch by the most soulless, spineless, shameless bunch of zombies imaginable.
Go down or stay up, I wish the lot of them, from top to bottom, would fuck off.
Shithouses!
Totally and utterly agree.
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Lambert is a dead man walking. Stinking the place out.
Best rid me thinks.
Squeaky bum time, going down to the last day? It's just like the blues, but at least they won a cup on their way down.
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We are owned, managed and represented on the pitch by the most soulless, spineless, shameless bunch of zombies imaginable.
Go down or stay up, I wish the lot of them, from top to bottom, would fuck off.
Shithouses!
I SHARE YOUR PAIN
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Aston Villa - the Zombie of football clubs
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Same as usual. If we stay up we're only going to stay up because Fulham and Norwich are even more incompetent.
Last 6 games -
W 0 D 1 L 5 F 4 A 15 Pts 1
Cant believe a season that started as positively as this one is coming to an end like this one. Worst Villa boss ever, worst Villa side ever? None of them are fit to wear the shirts.
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This is beyond ridiculous. Lambert shouldn't even get on the coach home.
I honestly think sack him now would give us a little boost to let the players play minus any shackles.
I can imagine a response like the players gave opening day against west ham
After Kmac got put in charge.
We need something, anything to help us just get across the line.
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Where's Ron Saunders when we need him? What's happened to the110 per cent effort? Div 3 here we come!
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Lambert needs to go tonight to give us the best chance of beating Hull next week. Tonight!
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That's it I've had more than enough. I used to try and have faith in Lambert, to back him up and believe. But not anymore, we have lost 5 of our last 6 games, with three 4-1 defeats. We're piss poor and nothing's changing every week. I'm just going to hope for a miracle and at least get another win before the end of the season, but i'm really just hoping there's gonna be 3 worse team than us.
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With the decision to continue with Lambert despite all the evidences that he is totally inept in tactics and doesn't know the ABC of coaching, we have done all the possibile to be relegated.
If we do not succeed in this purpose it will be only because there are three teams worst than us. It would be a miracle.
But we will have made all the possible. .
Chapeau. .
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Cardiff Sunderland draw and it will make it very tough for both to catch us. A point might be useful but I don't see us getting one.
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Even Blues losing dosnt help the pain.
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Back to the drawing board because this plan has not worked, move on PL and RL.
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Fulham need to win both their remaining games to catch us. Hope that's enough to keep us up. This is fucking miserable.
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I just feel sick
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This evening I will mostly be 'supporting' Manchester United. I feel sick.
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Good work on chipping away at our goal difference compared to Norwich as well, you absolute fucking morons.
Holt was a great substitution.
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A braincell, a braincell, the Holte Pub, our nice restaurants and our excellent corporate facilities for a braincell!
Wield the axe now. It'll bring our collective IQ up to about 12.
Thick twats the lot of 'em.
Absolutely. Been saying for ages he's a thick incoherent idiot. And that's me being polite
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Our players went toward our supporters and were told to go away. Oh dear what a shit season. I hope Nicola Keys doesnt phone asking me to renue this weekend.
That's amazing. To be told to fuck off by the away support, we really are that bad
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Everytime i switch off early the other team scores.
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A United win and a draw tomorrow and I'll build a huge cathedral in my back garden.
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Can't we pay Guus Hiddink a million quid a match, just for the final three games?
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Even Blues losing dosnt help the pain.
At least there's a risk we won't play them if we go down. Not sure I could take that
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The last two games have shown anybody with eyes to see that the trouble in the dressing room and at Bodymoor was not Culverhouse and Karsa, it is Lambert.
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We have GD in our favour that's another point. But need to beat Hull and keep the points gap.
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expects to be going over the fixtures list a bit more tonight
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I said in the match thread, even sacking the twat won't help now.
It's too late, it should have happened months ago.
We are just a poor,poor premier league team, who are now getting exactly what they deserve.
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We are the poorest side in the prem now and if we do go down Lambert and Lerner will never be forgiven.
I gave up on Villa and watched the Fulham game, god help us next week the way Fulham got pummelled the second half. Agree about Baker a walking disaster. We will not get another point so relying on the ones below us to lose.
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We've got one last chance to get a win and it's next week against Hull.
Biggest Villa game in years.
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The worse thing about that was that's us playing good.
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I honestly think we could go now. You would have some hope if you could see a team fighting for every point but quite simply we are the only team in freefall even compared to Norwich.
Here's me tonight thanking Hull City, hoping for a Sunderland Cardiff draw and praying that Norwich don't get another point. That it has come to this beggars belief. After the Chelsea game I was pissing myself at albions plight!
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I said in the match thread, even sacking the twat won't help now.
It's too late, it should have happened months ago.
We are just a poor,poor premier league team, who are now getting exactly what they deserve.
He's we've left it too late. He should have been sacked ages ago, but Lerner doesn't give a flying fuck about Aston Villa FC and hasn't done for a number of years. It's just a pity the fans didn't put pressure on the club earlier.
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We've got one last chance to get a win and it's next week against Hull.
Biggest Villa game in years.
I wouldn't put a penny on winning next week.
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If Lerner does sell up, what a legacy. To leave us in a worse situation than the last season under Ellis and O'Leary.
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If the metaphorical 'Bolton moment' hasn't yet come for Lambert, then it may well be a poisonous atmosphere for the last home game of this season next weekend! No other manager, anywhere in the world, would still be in employment with Lambert's horrendous record. I'm glad I'm working next weekend, and that pisses me off even more!
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This is the lowest I've felt since we lost 0-3 to charlton under Billy Mc at Selhurst Park. That day effectively we were relegated. It feels the same now.
Shambles.
And where the fuck is Lerner ? The "custodian" his words ! Absolute twat
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Sunderland winning tomorrow would not be the end of the world either. Albion and Swansea go there too so getting say 7 would take them to 36. Cardiff lose that's them and Fulham needing to win both and Norwich in trouble with their fixtures.
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so we got rid of Culverhouse and Karsa thinking the mood and play would improve, and we are left with exactly the same as if they were still here infecting the club. Clearly we didn't suspend all aspects of the problem. Whatr a ridiculous state of affairs.
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We are the poorest side in the prem now and if we do go down Lambert and Lerner will never be forgiven.
I gave up on Villa and watched the Fulham game, god help us next week the way Fulham got pummelled the second half. Agree about Baker a walking disaster. We will not get another point so relying on the ones below us to lose.
I've said it many times now - this is the worst Villa team I've ever seen in my life.
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if it goes to the hull game to stay up potato head will love sending us down he will be a blues hero again
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Looking at our run in, can anyone actually see where our next point is coming from? Bearing in mind Hull just came from 2-0 down and must fancy their chances against our bag of shambling wank.
As a lifelong football and Villa fan, I understand that losing is as much a part of sport as winning. I actually don't mind losing. It's the manner in which we are losing that I find unacceptable and utterly depressing. There seems to be a resignation about the team, and it is leading them closer and closer to that trap door. If and when we go I pray that we do not keep falling because the owner will not fund us to come back up. He will run us on an ever more thinning shoe string and hope for the best.
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so we got rid of Culverhouse and Karsa thinking the mood and play would improve, and we are left with exactly the same as if they were still here infecting the club. Clearly we didn't suspend all aspects of the problem. Whatr a ridiculous state of affairs.
Yep, we should have got rid of all the players as well.
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Too many players not good enough. Too many players with no hunger or fear of being dropped.
Lead by a manager who doesn't have a clue and a chairman who doesn't care.
I'm not angry anymore, just sad at what we've become.
I love this club with all my heart, as do many of us, and I always will.
Shame the clowns that currently shame our badge in the first team can't show just an inch of that passion.
UP THE VILLA, now and always.
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Just when you thought it was safe to go back to Villa Park...
TSM Too
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I followed the team down to the old 3rd division, there were some great times down there but I will not be getting a ST while this shambles from the top down are here. Very upset.
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We are the poorest side in the prem now and if we do go down Lambert and Lerner will never be forgiven.
I gave up on Villa and watched the Fulham game, god help us next week the way Fulham got pummelled the second half. Agree about Baker a walking disaster. We will not get another point so relying on the ones below us to lose.
I've been watching since 91 and thus is 100% the worst
I've said it many times now - this is the worst Villa team I've ever seen in my life.
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Only Villa can manage to be one of the few sides to have more possession than Swansea, 53%, and get twatted 4-1.
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The thing for me is why fucking keep him for another 5mins? He has lost the fans completely, there is no way back now. Every loss will be his fault, every win will be in spite of him.
Lerner is to blame for this
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If Doug was in charge Lambert would have been walked round the rose garden after the Bradford debacle.
How he is still employed by us and paid millions is a fucking joke
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That's it I've had more than enough. I used to try and have faith in Lambert, to back him up and believe. But not anymore, we have lost 5 of our last 6 games, with three 4-1 defeats. We're piss poor and nothing's changing every week. I'm just going to hope for a miracle and at least get another win before the end of the season, but i'm really just hoping there's gonna be 3 worse team than us.
Grief Theo, it sounds as if you've only just realised it!!!!!!!!?
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I'm really quite cross about this. Apart from the shit on the field and in the dugout, I not only want ManU to win, but Hull old be the only route to safety, today and next week.
That it should come to this?
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If we go down and Lerner goes, you can forget your rumoured billionaire takeovers. It'll be 'local businessman made good' or 'Indonesian conglomerate', neither of which is terrible in and of itself, but even if we do get back into the Premier League at the first attempt, we'll be one of those Fulham/Hull/Cardiff teams that forever bother the bottom half and get our better players picked off, managed by one mediocre English manager after another. We simply have to stay up and Lerner has to fuck off or we're an also-ran for the rest of our days.
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Well said TV. The sound and fury over Karsa and Culverhouse and their suspension has not resulted in one scintilla of improvement in morale or confidence.
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If Doug was in charge Lambert would have been walked round the rose garden after the Bradford debacle.
How he is still employed by us and paid millions is a fucking joke
Cause our custodian doesn't give a shit
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None of the players appear to be aware of the situation the club is currently in!
We are going down unless we now win against Hull.
Today was woeful. In the first half on 2 occassions the ball was crossed into the Swansea box without an attempt from gabby to even get his head any where near the ball. I know he is not the best in the air but due to our current predicament I would have thought he would have at least attempted a challenge and dived forward towards the ball. The likes of Hitchens,Hateley,Gray,Withe,Regis would have just took the chances without even breaking sweat.
It now seriously all come done to our performance against Hull and the muppet who is Steve Bruce!
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Feel sorry for all villa fans who paid to go today and took the time. The support is phenomenal but not deserved by the jokers at the club
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It is really difficult to know where to start in fully describing the shambles this club has become.
Honestly, from top to bottom, the club is a fucking mess and all of them want fucking shooting.
The stay-away half arsed chairman who can't string two coherent sentences together with his "tell you what I am going to do in the summer" bullshit, the utter moron.
The shiny faced twelve year old CEO who is great at running restaurants and charities but absolutely out of his depth running a football club.
The denialist, mumbling wreck of a football relic we have in charge of the team who has managed to make McLeish look decent by comparison.
The collection of players who look like they should be in the Championship - at best - in most cases, and in others like they've never played the game before. This group of "young and hungry" players, the likes of the clueless Baker, the half arsed Weimann with his three goals all season and accompanying undropability, the ones who just don't look particularly arsed.
Or how about the ones who have spent the season playing keepy uppies with schoolchildren because their high wages mean they can't be trusted with the proper squad?
Then take a look at some of the shit that has gone on.
Coaches suspended for bullying.
Coaches who, apparently, had made training sessions a misery and had been actively training the players to play long ball tactics. What the fuck was Lambert doing while that was going on?
Who is the manager here at the moment? Is it Lambert? For how long? is he actually working his notice? Is the chairman going to sack him? Is the chairman going to actually be the chairman this time next week, let alone this time next year?
Sometimes a club will start behaving as if it has decided it is going to get relegated, and not let anything stop it. A few years ago that was Newcastle. This season, we are starting to look like that Newcastle side.
The difference is, Newcastle went down and kept all their better players. We are going to go down and find ourselves with a squad full of fucking dross which has no hope of getting automatic promotion.
Shame on the witlessly stupid, and the wilfully negligent morons who have brought us to this situation.
I wouldn't piss on any of them if they were on fire.
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We are the poorest side in the prem now and if we do go down Lambert and Lerner will never be forgiven.
I gave up on Villa and watched the Fulham game, god help us next week the way Fulham got pummelled the second half. Agree about Baker a walking disaster. We will not get another point so relying on the ones below us to lose.
I've said it many times now - this is the worst Villa team I've ever seen in my life.
Indeed, that's been obvious for a long time
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If Doug was in charge Lambert would have been walked round the rose garden after the Bradford debacle.
How he is still employed by us and paid millions is a fucking joke
We have to stop with this Doug wouldn't have stood for this thing. I don't recall Doug firing McNeill in time to keep us up. I do recall him hiring him though.
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Please someone buy us out.
Everyone to do with this current crop of losers I want out of the club.
Lambert
Lerner
Faulkner
The defence
The midfield
The forwards
I honestly couldn't give a fuck if we started afresh from scratch and we never had to see any of them again. Theres a real losers and excuse makers mentality at the club right now. It started when MON left, no one took the bull by the horns and took charge, everything was MONs fault. 4 years later I wouldn't be surprised if they are still feeling sorry for themselves and cursing him.
We lose, we go again.
Someone fucks up, they get picked again.
Bad fullback? Buy another one? He's shit too? Buy another one.
It's a circus, a really dull one, ran by clowns who have no new material.
Every interview is the same.
90% of the team selections are the same.
Gameplan is always the same.
Mistakes made are the same.
Someone just come in, with a fucking brain and get some football men into this club and start again.
Lerner fuck off and buy yourself some new cars, I really wish we weren't your midlife crisis purchase.
Fulkner, youre an arse licker, you'll be sucking cocks in the FA to get ahead after this season hopefully.
And as for Paul Lambert and his two bullies he drags around with him leeching off our club, you're as inspirational as a turnip.
Go the lot of you.
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Based on results, tactics, playing style and commitment this team should be relegated.
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If Doug was in charge Lambert would have been walked round the rose garden after the Bradford debacle.
How he is still employed by us and paid millions is a fucking joke
Cause our custodian doesn't give a shit
Because he's a fcukin yes man who has followed the owners pay peanuts get really bad monkeys experiment to the letter. Lerner is probably cracking open the Liebfraumilch.
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Sack him now and VP won't be boiling over at the first (of many) mistakes from the likes of Baker. If the Holte is the 12th man like your pretty little banner says then fucking well listen to us and sack him before the end of the Utd game If nothing else it will make sure the players look forward to training on Monday and then, just maybe, we'll get the ball down, play, and spank a shithouse team like Hull of the park, like Aston Villa should. Leave him there a second longer and it is only others ineptitude keeping us up.
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Two simple words please Lambert.
'I quit'
He's not going to do that now is he?
He will also not get fired if we are indeed in the middle of a sale. Why would Lerner fire him and then have to pay him compo, when in all likelihood the new owner would do it anyway?
What an absolute fucking shambles this club has become.
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Well Mr. Lerner , Mr. Faulkner and Mr lambert....I hope you are fuckin proud of yourselves.
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It is really difficult to know where to start in fully describing the shambles this club has become.
Honestly, from top to bottom, the club is a fucking mess and all of them want fucking shooting.
The stay-away half arsed chairman who can't string two coherent sentences together with his "tell you what I am going to do in the summer" bullshit, the utter moron.
The shiny faced twelve year old CEO who is great at running restaurants and charities but absolutely out of his depth running a football club.
The denialist, mumbling wreck of a football relic we have in charge of the team who has managed to make McLeish look decent by comparison.
The collection of players who look like they should be in the Championship - at best - in most cases, and in others like they've never played the game before. This group of "young and hungry" players, the likes of the clueless Baker, the half arsed Weimann with his three goals all season and accompanying undropability, the ones who just don't look particularly arsed.
Or how about the ones who have spent the season playing keepy uppies with schoolchildren because their high wages mean they can't be trusted with the proper squad?
Then take a look at some of the shit that has gone on.
Coaches suspended for bullying.
Coaches who, apparently, had made training sessions a misery and had been actively training the players to play long ball tactics. What the fuck was Lambert doing while that was going on?
Who is the manager here at the moment? Is it Lambert? For how long? is he actually working his notice? Is the chairman going to sack him? Is the chairman going to actually be the chairman this time next week, let alone this time next year?
Sometimes a club will start behaving as if it has decided it is going to get relegated, and not let anything stop it. A few years ago that was Newcastle. This season, we are starting to look like that Newcastle side.
The difference is, Newcastle went down and kept all their better players. We are going to go down and find ourselves with a squad full of fucking dross which has no hope of getting automatic promotion.
Shame on the witlessly stupid, and the wilfully negligent morons who have brought us to this situation.
I wouldn't piss on any of them if they were on fire.
This post deserves its own sticky. I am now embarking on a standing ovation.
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I'd like to make a special mention for Nathan Baker also. The worst centre half I have seen I'm my lifetime of watching Villa
No doubt he will play again next week. I've said it before but if he ends up playing any higher than Millwall then I will eat my hat
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If Doug was in charge Lambert would have been walked round the rose garden after the Bradford debacle.
How he is still employed by us and paid millions is a fucking joke
We have to stop with this Doug wouldn't have stood for this thing. I don't recall Doug firing McNeill in time to keep us up. I do recall him hiring him though.
No we don't have to stop with it at all.
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Not that it's going to help exactly, but what are the permutations which will allow us to stay up without getting another point?
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It is really difficult to know where to start in fully describing the shambles this club has become.
Honestly, from top to bottom, the club is a fucking mess and all of them want fucking shooting.
The stay-away half arsed chairman who can't string two coherent sentences together with his "tell you what I am going to do in the summer" bullshit, the utter moron.
The shiny faced twelve year old CEO who is great at running restaurants and charities but absolutely out of his depth running a football club.
The denialist, mumbling wreck of a football relic we have in charge of the team who has managed to make McLeish look decent by comparison.
The collection of players who look like they should be in the Championship - at best - in most cases, and in others like they've never played the game before. This group of "young and hungry" players, the likes of the clueless Baker, the half arsed Weimann with his three goals all season and accompanying undropability, the ones who just don't look particularly arsed.
Or how about the ones who have spent the season playing keepy uppies with schoolchildren because their high wages mean they can't be trusted with the proper squad?
Then take a look at some of the shit that has gone on.
Coaches suspended for bullying.
Coaches who, apparently, had made training sessions a misery and had been actively training the players to play long ball tactics. What the fuck was Lambert doing while that was going on?
Who is the manager here at the moment? Is it Lambert? For how long? is he actually working his notice? Is the chairman going to sack him? Is the chairman going to actually be the chairman this time next week, let alone this time next year?
Sometimes a club will start behaving as if it has decided it is going to get relegated, and not let anything stop it. A few years ago that was Newcastle. This season, we are starting to look like that Newcastle side.
The difference is, Newcastle went down and kept all their better players. We are going to go down and find ourselves with a squad full of fucking dross which has no hope of getting automatic promotion.
Shame on the witlessly stupid, and the wilfully negligent morons who have brought us to this situation.
I wouldn't piss on any of them if they were on fire.
This. With brass knobs on.
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Well Mr. Lerner , Mr. Faulkner and Mr lambert....I hope you are fuckin proud of yourselves.
Look, we all really need to understand this.
THEY DONT GIVE A FUCKING SHIT.
Sorry for shouting, but I am so angry now, angry and pissed off.
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I don't want him sacked until after next week so everyone can let him know what we think of him.
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By the way, I spoke to somebody who knows Nathan Baker. He was told that he'd never make it as a footballer when he was younger.
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Not that it's going to help exactly, but what are the permutations which will allow us to stay up without getting another point?
Everyone below us loses or draws every match.
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Lerner should've sold-up in 2010. A complete waste of 4 years since. Can't stand him - never a word to the fans in 8 years.
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It is really difficult to know where to start in fully describing the shambles this club has become.
Honestly, from top to bottom, the club is a fucking mess and all of them want fucking shooting.
The stay-away half arsed chairman who can't string two coherent sentences together with his "tell you what I am going to do in the summer" bullshit, the utter moron.
The shiny faced twelve year old CEO who is great at running restaurants and charities but absolutely out of his depth running a football club.
The denialist, mumbling wreck of a football relic we have in charge of the team who has managed to make McLeish look decent by comparison.
The collection of players who look like they should be in the Championship - at best - in most cases, and in others like they've never played the game before. This group of "young and hungry" players, the likes of the clueless Baker, the half arsed Weimann with his three goals all season and accompanying undropability, the ones who just don't look particularly arsed.
Or how about the ones who have spent the season playing keepy uppies with schoolchildren because their high wages mean they can't be trusted with the proper squad?
Then take a look at some of the shit that has gone on.
Coaches suspended for bullying.
Coaches who, apparently, had made training sessions a misery and had been actively training the players to play long ball tactics. What the fuck was Lambert doing while that was going on?
Who is the manager here at the moment? Is it Lambert? For how long? is he actually working his notice? Is the chairman going to sack him? Is the chairman going to actually be the chairman this time next week, let alone this time next year?
Sometimes a club will start behaving as if it has decided it is going to get relegated, and not let anything stop it. A few years ago that was Newcastle. This season, we are starting to look like that Newcastle side.
The difference is, Newcastle went down and kept all their better players. We are going to go down and find ourselves with a squad full of fucking dross which has no hope of getting automatic promotion.
Shame on the witlessly stupid, and the wilfully negligent morons who have brought us to this situation.
I wouldn't piss on any of them if they were on fire.
This post deserves its own sticky. I am now embarking on a standing ovation.
Im about to sit in a quiet corner and weep
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Based on results, tactics, playing style and commitment this team should be relegated.
The ironic thing is we may have timed our relegation run slightly too late. We're trying fucking hard to get ourselves relegated though and we may still just make it.
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Makes no odds who is in charge, the squad is simply not good enough, silk purses and sow's ears. Next week is massive.
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How can a team that played Chelsea to perfection and earned, fucking well EARNED, a great win turn like this? I really cannot get my head around it
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Not that it's going to help exactly, but what are the permutations which will allow us to stay up without getting another point?
So, desperate times means desperately relying on others as we are obviously incapable of winning a fucking game. So as it stands, for us to drop 2 of these clubs need to do the following (i'm pretty sure i've worked this out right) based on us getting 0 points from the last 3:
Fulham: Must beat Stoke (a) and Palace (h) anything less than 6 points and they can't catch us.
Norwich: 4 points from Manure (a) Chavski (a) Arsenal (h)
Cardiff: 6 points from Sunderland & Newcastle (a) Chavski (h)
Sunderland: 6 points (maybe 7 depending on GD) from Cardiff (h) Manure (a) Bitters (h) Swansea (h)
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Paulie take a bow son.
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I have had to endure swansea fans taking the pics out of me today..what next...kiddy harriers fans taking the pics. .!!
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By the way, I spoke to somebody who knows Nathan Baker. He was told that he'd never make it as a footballer when he was younger.
He was right, he hasnt
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Not that it's going to help exactly, but what are the permutations which will allow us to stay up without getting another point?
Everyone below us loses or draws every match.
Works for me. I have the idea in my head that if Cardiff lose tomorrow and next week as well as losses for Sunderland and Fulham next week, we're okay come what may. Is that right?
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We are the poorest side in the prem now and if we do go down Lambert and Lerner will never be forgiven.
I gave up on Villa and watched the Fulham game, god help us next week the way Fulham got pummelled the second half. Agree about Baker a walking disaster. We will not get another point so relying on the ones below us to lose.
I've said it many times now - this is the worst Villa team I've ever seen in my life.
Indeed, that's been obvious for a long time
I know Richard, you've known for ages, we get it.
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By the way, I spoke to somebody who knows Nathan Baker. He was told that he'd never make it as a footballer when he was younger.
He hasn't. This is all a bad dream and in reality Baker pushes a trolley around delivering newspapers, badly.
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I'm sick of telling everyone I lost interest in the villa were shit but the true fact is I am gutted at what's happening and have been for a while now and fear were on the way down what's more worrying is I don't think we will come back up either were not good enough
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Well Mr. Lerner , Mr. Faulkner and Mr lambert....I hope you are fuckin proud of yourselves.
But we're in the middle of a project !!
If my kids did a project like this in school they'd have been expelled
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I have had to endure swansea fans taking the pics out of me today..what next...kiddy harriers fans taking the pics. .!!
I had Bradford fans up town last year feeling sorry for me, it started off as gloating until I told them what a chore this club is and it ended up with them sitting in silence as miserable as I was.
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I'm just about to watch a game and cheer the Man Utd players like they were my own offspring.
Someone is going to have to pay for this, you bastards.
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Not that it's going to help exactly, but what are the permutations which will allow us to stay up without getting another point?
So, desperate times means desperately relying on others as we are obviously incapable of winning a fucking game. So as it stands, for us to drop 2 of these clubs need to do the following (i'm pretty sure i've worked this out right) based on us getting 0 points from the last 3:
Fulham: Must beat Stoke (a) and Palace (h) anything less than 6 points and they can't catch us.
Norwich: 5 points from Manure (a) Chavski (a) Arsenal (h)
Cardiff: 6 points from Sunderland & Newcastle (a) Chavski (h)
Sunderland: 6 points (maybe 7 depending on GD) from Cardiff (h) Manure (a) Bitters (h) Swansea (h)
Norwich only need 4 points.
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I'm just about to watch a game and cheer the Man Utd players like they were my own offspring.
Someone is going to have to pay for this, you bastards.
And they think they've had a bad season. Not sure I can bring myself to watch it and see other people getting enjoyment out of football.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmKS4y4IQAAYGHh.jpg)
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It is really difficult to know where to start in fully describing the shambles this club has become.
Honestly, from top to bottom, the club is a fucking mess and all of them want fucking shooting.
The stay-away half arsed chairman who can't string two coherent sentences together with his "tell you what I am going to do in the summer" bullshit, the utter moron.
The shiny faced twelve year old CEO who is great at running restaurants and charities but absolutely out of his depth running a football club.
The denialist, mumbling wreck of a football relic we have in charge of the team who has managed to make McLeish look decent by comparison.
The collection of players who look like they should be in the Championship - at best - in most cases, and in others like they've never played the game before. This group of "young and hungry" players, the likes of the clueless Baker, the half arsed Weimann with his three goals all season and accompanying undropability, the ones who just don't look particularly arsed.
Or how about the ones who have spent the season playing keepy uppies with schoolchildren because their high wages mean they can't be trusted with the proper squad?
Then take a look at some of the shit that has gone on.
Coaches suspended for bullying.
Coaches who, apparently, had made training sessions a misery and had been actively training the players to play long ball tactics. What the fuck was Lambert doing while that was going on?
Who is the manager here at the moment? Is it Lambert? For how long? is he actually working his notice? Is the chairman going to sack him? Is the chairman going to actually be the chairman this time next week, let alone this time next year?
Sometimes a club will start behaving as if it has decided it is going to get relegated, and not let anything stop it. A few years ago that was Newcastle. This season, we are starting to look like that Newcastle side.
The difference is, Newcastle went down and kept all their better players. We are going to go down and find ourselves with a squad full of fucking dross which has no hope of getting automatic promotion.
Shame on the witlessly stupid, and the wilfully negligent morons who have brought us to this situation.
I wouldn't piss on any of them if they were on fire.
God you are hurting as am I. What has come of our club.
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It is really difficult to know where to start in fully describing the shambles this club has become.
Honestly, from top to bottom, the club is a fucking mess and all of them want fucking shooting.
The stay-away half arsed chairman who can't string two coherent sentences together with his "tell you what I am going to do in the summer" bullshit, the utter moron.
The shiny faced twelve year old CEO who is great at running restaurants and charities but absolutely out of his depth running a football club.
The denialist, mumbling wreck of a football relic we have in charge of the team who has managed to make McLeish look decent by comparison.
The collection of players who look like they should be in the Championship - at best - in most cases, and in others like they've never played the game before. This group of "young and hungry" players, the likes of the clueless Baker, the half arsed Weimann with his three goals all season and accompanying undropability, the ones who just don't look particularly arsed.
Or how about the ones who have spent the season playing keepy uppies with schoolchildren because their high wages mean they can't be trusted with the proper squad?
Then take a look at some of the shit that has gone on.
Coaches suspended for bullying.
Coaches who, apparently, had made training sessions a misery and had been actively training the players to play long ball tactics. What the fuck was Lambert doing while that was going on?
Who is the manager here at the moment? Is it Lambert? For how long? is he actually working his notice? Is the chairman going to sack him? Is the chairman going to actually be the chairman this time next week, let alone this time next year?
Sometimes a club will start behaving as if it has decided it is going to get relegated, and not let anything stop it. A few years ago that was Newcastle. This season, we are starting to look like that Newcastle side.
The difference is, Newcastle went down and kept all their better players. We are going to go down and find ourselves with a squad full of fucking dross which has no hope of getting automatic promotion.
Shame on the witlessly stupid, and the wilfully negligent morons who have brought us to this situation.
I wouldn't piss on any of them if they were on fire.
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2012/11/standing-ovation.gif)
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Lambert failed to address what we needed, solid centre back, tough midfielder and decided to bring in a championship centre forward who had scored, what? 3 goals all season. He also brings in another left back to replace the two shit ones he already bought. The man is a fool and we are getting worse. Thank God for the Hull equalizer. I hate Paul Lambert and the two wankers at the top.
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We are the poorest side in the prem now and if we do go down Lambert and Lerner will never be forgiven.
I gave up on Villa and watched the Fulham game, god help us next week the way Fulham got pummelled the second half. Agree about Baker a walking disaster. We will not get another point so relying on the ones below us to lose.
I've said it many times now - this is the worst Villa team I've ever seen in my life.
Indeed, that's been obvious for a long time
I know Richard, you've known for ages, we get it.
Excellent, at last, I've even revelled in it I've known it for so long ;-)
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Not that it's going to help exactly, but what are the permutations which will allow us to stay up without getting another point?
So, desperate times means desperately relying on others as we are obviously incapable of winning a fucking game. So as it stands, for us to drop 2 of these clubs need to do the following (i'm pretty sure i've worked this out right) based on us getting 0 points from the last 3:
Fulham: Must beat Stoke (a) and Palace (h) anything less than 6 points and they can't catch us.
Norwich: 5 points from Manure (a) Chavski (a) Arsenal (h)
Cardiff: 6 points from Sunderland & Newcastle (a) Chavski (h)
Sunderland: 6 points (maybe 7 depending on GD) from Cardiff (h) Manure (a) Bitters (h) Swansea (h)
Norwich only need 4 points.
Oooops, edited and ta.
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so we got rid of Culverhouse and Karsa thinking the mood and play would improve, and we are left with exactly the same as if they were still here infecting the club. Clearly we didn't suspend all aspects of the problem. Whatr a ridiculous state of affairs.
We're a basketcase, and if we do go down its the fault of everyone at Villa Park; the owner, the board, the manager and his backroom team, and the players. The fans are the only people not to blame, who have put up with some really bad results and terrible football.
The club is in a real state. It's as bad as I've ever known it, even under dolly.
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It is really difficult to know where to start in fully describing the shambles this club has become.
Honestly, from top to bottom, the club is a fucking mess and all of them want fucking shooting.
The stay-away half arsed chairman who can't string two coherent sentences together with his "tell you what I am going to do in the summer" bullshit, the utter moron.
The shiny faced twelve year old CEO who is great at running restaurants and charities but absolutely out of his depth running a football club.
The denialist, mumbling wreck of a football relic we have in charge of the team who has managed to make McLeish look decent by comparison.
The collection of players who look like they should be in the Championship - at best - in most cases, and in others like they've never played the game before. This group of "young and hungry" players, the likes of the clueless Baker, the half arsed Weimann with his three goals all season and accompanying undropability, the ones who just don't look particularly arsed.
Or how about the ones who have spent the season playing keepy uppies with schoolchildren because their high wages mean they can't be trusted with the proper squad?
Then take a look at some of the shit that has gone on.
Coaches suspended for bullying.
Coaches who, apparently, had made training sessions a misery and had been actively training the players to play long ball tactics. What the fuck was Lambert doing while that was going on?
Who is the manager here at the moment? Is it Lambert? For how long? is he actually working his notice? Is the chairman going to sack him? Is the chairman going to actually be the chairman this time next week, let alone this time next year?
Sometimes a club will start behaving as if it has decided it is going to get relegated, and not let anything stop it. A few years ago that was Newcastle. This season, we are starting to look like that Newcastle side.
The difference is, Newcastle went down and kept all their better players. We are going to go down and find ourselves with a squad full of fucking dross which has no hope of getting automatic promotion.
Shame on the witlessly stupid, and the wilfully negligent morons who have brought us to this situation.
I wouldn't piss on any of them if they were on fire.
God you are hurting as am I. What has come of our club.
We're up shit creek without a paddle.
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Think of the Swansea fans. We had more possession than them on their own turf. When they did that to us at Villa Park the bleating on here went on for weeks.
What's your point?
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Not that it's going to help exactly, but what are the permutations which will allow us to stay up without getting another point?
So, desperate times means desperately relying on others as we are obviously incapable of winning a fucking game. So as it stands, for us to drop 2 of these clubs need to do the following (i'm pretty sure i've worked this out right) based on us getting 0 points from the last 3:
Fulham: Must beat Stoke (a) and Palace (h) anything less than 6 points and they can't catch us.
Norwich: 5 points from Manure (a) Chavski (a) Arsenal (h)
Cardiff: 6 points from Sunderland & Newcastle (a) Chavski (h)
Sunderland: 6 points (maybe 7 depending on GD) from Cardiff (h) Manure (a) Bitters (h) Swansea (h)
Norwich only need 4 points.
If we don't get another point, which looks likely, then if any 2 teams below us win 2 games, or one team wins 2 games and Norwich win 1 and draw 1, then we'll be down.
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The difference between Lerner and HDE is that Doug's decisions were always money based, good decisions and bad ones. I was, and remain critical of Doug Ellis but with him you knew what you got. You expected him to be an old tightarse and he would not let you down. He never hid, quite the reverse and whether by accident or design you usually knew what was going on at the club. Randy Lerner makes a very bad situation unbearable by hiding. He has got the money but he will not invest it in the club because he has got the pox to us and looks away from our plight. If Doug had been in charge for the last month Trinity Road would have been rammed with daubed bedsheets and cops dragging away protesters. For the last four years the club and the fans have been asleep and I have been as guilty of that as anybody. The only time we woke up was at the Bolton game and there are plenty around who consider what happened that day to be disgraceful. I consider it to be a tiny bit of evidence that the lion is still alive.
We have only got ourselves to blame for putting up with what has happened to our club.
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Palace got Scott Dann in for about 3m in Jan. Him and a hard midfielder and we would be safe. Bit of nous and experience through the side.
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I'm a rather fat feathery fucker called Paul.
At this management lark I've no clue at all.
I sit watching all this bewildering wank.
In a couple of weeks there'll be a cheque to be banked.
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Actually Pauliewalnuts, I would happily set fire to them so you would have the pleasure of walking right on past.
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Can we reset the lambert out thread now to see whats changed?
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We are the poorest side in the prem now and if we do go down Lambert and Lerner will never be forgiven.
I gave up on Villa and watched the Fulham game, god help us next week the way Fulham got pummelled the second half. Agree about Baker a walking disaster. We will not get another point so relying on the ones below us to lose.
I've said it many times now - this is the worst Villa team I've ever seen in my life.
Indeed, that's been obvious for a long time
I know Richard, you've known for ages, we get it.
Excellent, at last, I've even revelled in it I've known it for so long ;-)
Being a smart arse about it doesn't give you any more credit.
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Actually Pauliewalnuts, I would happily set fire to them so you would have the pleasure of walking right on past.
You spark, I'll stroll right past.
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We are the poorest side in the prem now and if we do go down Lambert and Lerner will never be forgiven.
I gave up on Villa and watched the Fulham game, god help us next week the way Fulham got pummelled the second half. Agree about Baker a walking disaster. We will not get another point so relying on the ones below us to lose.
I've said it many times now - this is the worst Villa team I've ever seen in my life.
Indeed, that's been obvious for a long time
I know Richard, you've known for ages, we get it.
Excellent, at last, I've even revelled in it I've known it for so long ;-)
Gloating over the Villa being shit. Still, different things make different people happy.
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I wonder if Randy knows we played today?
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We had more possession than Swansea as ''experienced '' manager Gary Monk realised like ever other half decent manager that letting us have the ball and counter attacking us will get you an easy result
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We are the poorest side in the prem now and if we do go down Lambert and Lerner will never be forgiven.
I gave up on Villa and watched the Fulham game, god help us next week the way Fulham got pummelled the second half. Agree about Baker a walking disaster. We will not get another point so relying on the ones below us to lose.
I've said it many times now - this is the worst Villa team I've ever seen in my life.
Indeed, that's been obvious for a long time
I know Richard, you've known for ages, we get it.
Excellent, at last, I've even revelled in it I've known it for so long ;-)
Gloating over the Villa being shit. Still, different things make different people happy.
I'd second that.
Why keep going on about it, Richard, as if you're actually pleased? You weren't the only person to notice our shitness, far from it, but you're the only person who seems genuinely happy he can say he was right all along.
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So next Saturday, I'm at a wedding where the groom is a Baggies fan. I'm almost at hypertensive levels about Villa now, so next week I'll be one degree farenheit away from a full-blown stroke. A one-nil win would mean I get utterly, heroically shitfaced.
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We are the poorest side in the prem now and if we do go down Lambert and Lerner will never be forgiven.
I gave up on Villa and watched the Fulham game, god help us next week the way Fulham got pummelled the second half. Agree about Baker a walking disaster. We will not get another point so relying on the ones below us to lose.
I've said it many times now - this is the worst Villa team I've ever seen in my life.
Indeed, that's been obvious for a long time
I know Richard, you've known for ages, we get it.
Excellent, at last, I've even revelled in it I've known it for so long ;-)
Gloating over the Villa being shit. Still, different things make different people happy.
I'd second that.
Why keep going on about it, Richard, as if you're actually pleased? You weren't the only person to notice our shitness, far from it, but you're the only person who seems genuinely happy he can say he was right all along.
Someone should let Lambert know he is at least pleasing one person.
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We are the poorest side in the prem now and if we do go down Lambert and Lerner will never be forgiven.
I gave up on Villa and watched the Fulham game, god help us next week the way Fulham got pummelled the second half. Agree about Baker a walking disaster. We will not get another point so relying on the ones below us to lose.
I've said it many times now - this is the worst Villa team I've ever seen in my life.
Indeed, that's been obvious for a long time
I know Richard, you've known for ages, we get it.
Excellent, at last, I've even revelled in it I've known it for so long ;-)
Being a smart arse about it doesn't give you any more credit.
Oh I know, you're absolutely right, I feel very guilty
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Truly pathetic. We won't get out of this now. Fuck off Lambert and fuck off Lerner, you have ruined our club.
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We are the poorest side in the prem now and if we do go down Lambert and Lerner will never be forgiven.
I gave up on Villa and watched the Fulham game, god help us next week the way Fulham got pummelled the second half. Agree about Baker a walking disaster. We will not get another point so relying on the ones below us to lose.
I've said it many times now - this is the worst Villa team I've ever seen in my life.
Indeed, that's been obvious for a long time
I know Richard, you've known for ages, we get it.
Excellent, at last, I've even revelled in it I've known it for so long ;-)
Being a smart arse about it doesn't give you any more credit.
Oh I know, you're absolutely right, I feel very guilty
Will you have a celebration if Villa get relegated? Just imagine how correct that will prove you've been.
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has there been a post match mumble yet?
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has there been a post match mumble yet?
Apparently he's mumbled something on Radio 5 Live. Don't know what yet.
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We are the poorest side in the prem now and if we do go down Lambert and Lerner will never be forgiven.
I gave up on Villa and watched the Fulham game, god help us next week the way Fulham got pummelled the second half. Agree about Baker a walking disaster. We will not get another point so relying on the ones below us to lose.
I've said it many times now - this is the worst Villa team I've ever seen in my life.
Indeed, that's been obvious for a long time
I know Richard, you've known for ages, we get it.
Excellent, at last, I've even revelled in it I've known it for so long ;-)
Gloating over the Villa being shit. Still, different things make different people happy.
No one's gloating for Christ sake. We're all Villa fans - who the hell would want to see our club with such a shit team? NOBODY!
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And yet i'm not the only one to mention that Richard seems to be gloating.
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has there been a post match mumble yet?
You mean
mumble mumble, I thort thu lards did grate, mumble mumble, we were the better team mumble mumble we go again
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We are the poorest side in the prem now and if we do go down Lambert and Lerner will never be forgiven.
I gave up on Villa and watched the Fulham game, god help us next week the way Fulham got pummelled the second half. Agree about Baker a walking disaster. We will not get another point so relying on the ones below us to lose.
I've said it many times now - this is the worst Villa team I've ever seen in my life.
Indeed, that's been obvious for a long time
I know Richard, you've known for ages, we get it.
Excellent, at last, I've even revelled in it I've known it for so long ;-)
Being a smart arse about it doesn't give you any more credit.
Oh I know, you're absolutely right, I feel very guilty
At least you're not a smug twat, Richard.
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I'm on beer number 4 now since full time. I plan to continue until I can't see the table on MOTD tonight
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And yet i'm not the only one to mention that Richard seems to be gloating.
No, you're quite right, you're not. Which means I must be. I bow to your opinions on the matter
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And yet i'm not the only one to mention that Richard seems to be gloating.
No, you're quite right, you're not. Which means I must be. I bow to your opinions on the matter
Oh dear.
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And yet i'm not the only one to mention that Richard seems to be gloating.
No, you're quite right, you're not. Which means I must be. I bow to your opinions on the matter
I'd take the rest of the evening off if I were you.
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has there been a post match mumble yet?
Apparently he's mumbled something on Radio 5 Live. Don't know what yet.
He's been on BBC One as well. Oh no, hang on, that was a clip from Jamaica Inn.
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Going through all the emotions here, anger, sadness, denial, disbelief, pain, hurt, anger.
Lerner never turning up I know many say it's irrelevant , but it is. It has a knock on effect. An owner who doesn't give a shit sets the tone and culture for the club.
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I wonder if Randy knows we played today?
He'll be delighted we made it into Europe (Wales) and put on such an 'amazing' performance. Bloody Americans really should stick to their own silly games.
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Brian Green is right. We've allowed this to happen. Lerner, Faulkner and whatever stooge that's currently in the dugout would have been the subject of grief for years at any other club. If we do survive NOTHING will change under this incompetent management. It will simply delay relegation by 12 months.
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I wonder if Randy knows we played today?
He'll be delighted we made it into Europe (Wales) and put on such an 'amazing' performance. Bloody Americans really should stick to their own silly games.
C'mon Chris, you're better than that.
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I wonder if Randy knows we played today?
He'll be delighted we made it into Europe (Wales) and put on such an 'amazing' performance. Bloody Americans really should stick to their own silly games.
C'mon Chris, you're better than that.
Besides, what if we get brought out by another American?
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Lambert has spoken.
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It is really difficult to know where to start in fully describing the shambles this club has become.
Honestly, from top to bottom, the club is a fucking mess and all of them want fucking shooting.
The stay-away half arsed chairman who can't string two coherent sentences together with his "tell you what I am going to do in the summer" bullshit, the utter moron.
The shiny faced twelve year old CEO who is great at running restaurants and charities but absolutely out of his depth running a football club.
The denialist, mumbling wreck of a football relic we have in charge of the team who has managed to make McLeish look decent by comparison.
The collection of players who look like they should be in the Championship - at best - in most cases, and in others like they've never played the game before. This group of "young and hungry" players, the likes of the clueless Baker, the half arsed Weimann with his three goals all season and accompanying undropability, the ones who just don't look particularly arsed.
Or how about the ones who have spent the season playing keepy uppies with schoolchildren because their high wages mean they can't be trusted with the proper squad?
Then take a look at some of the shit that has gone on.
Coaches suspended for bullying.
Coaches who, apparently, had made training sessions a misery and had been actively training the players to play long ball tactics. What the fuck was Lambert doing while that was going on?
Who is the manager here at the moment? Is it Lambert? For how long? is he actually working his notice? Is the chairman going to sack him? Is the chairman going to actually be the chairman this time next week, let alone this time next year?
Sometimes a club will start behaving as if it has decided it is going to get relegated, and not let anything stop it. A few years ago that was Newcastle. This season, we are starting to look like that Newcastle side.
The difference is, Newcastle went down and kept all their better players. We are going to go down and find ourselves with a squad full of fucking dross which has no hope of getting automatic promotion.
Shame on the witlessly stupid, and the wilfully negligent morons who have brought us to this situation.
I wouldn't piss on any of them if they were on fire.
as succinct a summation as you could hope to find. I'd just like to add it takes incompetence of a very special kind to spend a quarter of a billion quid to make something far worse than when you acquired it. Ladies and gentlemen i give you Randolph Lerner. A man so inept I wouldn't trust him to find his own arse in the dark...
How in the name of hell did it get to this.
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And yet i'm not the only one to mention that Richard seems to be gloating.
No, you're quite right, you're not. Which means I must be. I bow to your opinions on the matter
I'd take the rest of the evening off if I were you.
I'm going to David, enjoy your evening if you are taking it off too
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I wonder if Randy knows we played today?
He'll be delighted we made it into Europe (Wales) and put on such an 'amazing' performance. Bloody Americans really should stick to their own silly games.
C'mon Chris, you're better than that.
Besides, what if we get brought out by another American?
Well lets hope they are a bit better or luckier with their appointments than this one.
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I wonder if Randy knows we played today?
Look, if we were to be relegated (god forbid), someone from the club would have to fly to the States and tell him.
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Lambert has spoken.
Usual shit?
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@tdnightingale: Brian Doogan telling cameramen to turn their cameras off after first few questions...
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Club statement.
Following the 4-1 loss to Swansea City this afternoon the focus for attention seems to have turned to our manager and constant requests for him to be relieved of his duties.
I had hoped that attention would have been on the terrific effort the team, coaches and manager are putting in to try and secure our Premier League status. However this isn't to be.
Now is the time more than ever for everyone associated with this fine football franchise to get right behind the laudable efforts of the manager and the players against Hull Tigers next week to give the team the maximum chance possible of achieving the goal we set out for - to stay in this league.
As for Paul's tenure I will address this when we are in League 1. Paul has however never wavered from our policy of bombing out experienced internationals and replacing them with young, hungry but not very good Championship players.
Up the Aston.
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Brian Green is right. We've allowed this to happen. Lerner, Faulkner and whatever stooge that's currently in the dugout would have been the subject of grief for years at any other club. If we do survive NOTHING will change under this incompetent management. It will simply delay relegation by 12 months.
Absolutely spot on.
We've been practically asset stripped (on the playing side) over the last 4 years and the fans have let them get away with it. Only now have we finally realised what Lerner has done to us.
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Lambert has spoken.
Usual shit?
Yep, reckons we started well deserved to equalise, wouldn't criticise Guzan for 2nd goal, wasn't sure it was a pen?
Says he needs the fans on board for hull, called it a "cup final"
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It is really difficult to know where to start in fully describing the shambles this club has become.
Honestly, from top to bottom, the club is a fucking mess and all of them want fucking shooting.
The stay-away half arsed chairman who can't string two coherent sentences together with his "tell you what I am going to do in the summer" bullshit, the utter moron.
The shiny faced twelve year old CEO who is great at running restaurants and charities but absolutely out of his depth running a football club.
The denialist, mumbling wreck of a football relic we have in charge of the team who has managed to make McLeish look decent by comparison.
The collection of players who look like they should be in the Championship - at best - in most cases, and in others like they've never played the game before. This group of "young and hungry" players, the likes of the clueless Baker, the half arsed Weimann with his three goals all season and accompanying undropability, the ones who just don't look particularly arsed.
Or how about the ones who have spent the season playing keepy uppies with schoolchildren because their high wages mean they can't be trusted with the proper squad?
Then take a look at some of the shit that has gone on.
Coaches suspended for bullying.
Coaches who, apparently, had made training sessions a misery and had been actively training the players to play long ball tactics. What the fuck was Lambert doing while that was going on?
Who is the manager here at the moment? Is it Lambert? For how long? is he actually working his notice? Is the chairman going to sack him? Is the chairman going to actually be the chairman this time next week, let alone this time next year?
Sometimes a club will start behaving as if it has decided it is going to get relegated, and not let anything stop it. A few years ago that was Newcastle. This season, we are starting to look like that Newcastle side.
The difference is, Newcastle went down and kept all their better players. We are going to go down and find ourselves with a squad full of fucking dross which has no hope of getting automatic promotion.
Shame on the witlessly stupid, and the wilfully negligent morons who have brought us to this situation.
I wouldn't piss on any of them if they were on fire.
Well said, paulie, agree with this 100%.
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@tdnightingale: Brian Doogan telling cameramen to turn their cameras off after first few questions...
Wtf ? From photographing lambert ?
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Lambert has spoken.
Usual shit?
Yep, reckons we started well deserved to equalise, wouldn't criticise Guzan for 2nd goal, wasn't sure it was a pen?
Says he needs the fans on board for hull, called it a "cup final"
A cup final? If it's anything to go by with his record then it's a nailed on loss. Probably go 3-2-5 formation is desperation for final minutes of us chasing the game
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@tdnightingale: Brian Doogan telling cameramen to turn their cameras off after first few questions...
Wtf ? From photographing lambert ?
It's for the public hanging.
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@tdnightingale: Brian Doogan telling cameramen to turn their cameras off after first few questions...
Wtf ? From photographing lambert ?
Because he was mumbling the same old shit or something else?
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Someone at the back of the room threw a shoe at him.
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18 defeats out of 35. How is he still in a job?
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This is about as low as it gets. I've been walking round the house in a daze since 15:26 and I'm feeling punch drunk now.
the fact is we have to all get behind the club on Saturday and give 100% to the cause.
Depending upon status after the final whistle will determine the level of vitriol aimed at the management/owners etc, however until then it's stiff upper lip time and as one we roar them on.
I think I'm trying to kid myself (or motivate myself) which is proving v difficult but is there ano option at this time?
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Brian Green is right. We've allowed this to happen. Lerner, Faulkner and whatever stooge that's currently in the dugout would have been the subject of grief for years at any other club. If we do survive NOTHING will change under this incompetent management. It will simply delay relegation by 12 months.
Absolutely spot on.
We've been practically asset stripped (on the playing side) over the last 4 years and the fans have let them get away with it. Only now have we finally realised what Lerner has done to us.
That's a difficult argument to make, SH. Lerner has put up the dosh: the problem is that the jokers using the dosh have screwed up bigtime. Hardly asset-stripping; just rank incompetence.
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Not that it's going to help exactly, but what are the permutations which will allow us to stay up without getting another point?
So, desperate times means desperately relying on others as we are obviously incapable of winning a fucking game. So as it stands, for us to drop 2 of these clubs need to do the following (i'm pretty sure i've worked this out right) based on us getting 0 points from the last 3:
Fulham: Must beat Stoke (a) and Palace (h) anything less than 6 points and they can't catch us.
Norwich: 5 points from Manure (a) Chavski (a) Arsenal (h)
Cardiff: 6 points from Sunderland & Newcastle (a) Chavski (h)
Sunderland: 6 points (maybe 7 depending on GD) from Cardiff (h) Manure (a) Bitters (h) Swansea (h)
Norwich only need 4 points.
If we don't get another point, which looks likely, then if any 2 teams below us win 2 games, or one team wins 2 games and Norwich win 1 and draw 1, then we'll be down.
Am really hoping that come next weekend we will be safe..nothing to do with us getting anything vs Hull of course.
Fulham away to Stoke, they must win.
Cardiff at Newcastle, they possibly must win.
Norwich at Chelsea they must win / draw (if they get beat tonight).
Sunderland at Man Utd, they possibly must win / draw.
All 4 teams away in tough fixtures....we are at home but hey, what does that matter.
Off for more straw clutching...
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Doesn't say why.
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Lerner should've sold-up in 2010. A complete waste of 4 years since. Can't stand him - never a word to the fans in 8 years.
Hear hear!
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Paul Lambert has labelled the home clash with Hull next weekend a "cup final" as they strive for the victory that he believes would ensure safety in the Barclays Premier League.
Lambert says the Tigers clash is a "must-win" as Villa lie 16th in the top-flight table on 35 points, two places off the drop zone.
His comments follow the 4-1 defeat to Swansea at the Liberty Stadium, a loss he believes was defined by the second goal scored by Jonjo Shelvey.
He said: "I am really disappointed to lose.
"We started the game really well. We lost a goal but we deservedly got back into the match with a really good one ourselves. We got ourselves back into it.
"We then lost a poor goal. That second was a major turning point. It was a great finish but it was an error on our part.
"There wasn't much too much in it at that time. The second goal was the turning point though.
"The third goal took the wind out of our sails. The fourth goal was disappointing. Gabby had a similar one that wasn't given in the first half.
"We still need one more win.
"It's a must-win match next week. It's a cup final. We have to win it.
"They are three really tough games to finish. It's not a position we want to be in. But we are. Next week's is a must-win."
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Look at the last days fixtures if you dare. Very scary .
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Paul Lambert has labelled the home clash with Hull next weekend a "cup final" as they strive for the victory that he believes would ensure safety in the Barclays Premier League.
Lambert says the Tigers clash is a "must-win" as Villa lie 16th in the top-flight table on 35 points, two places off the drop zone.
His comments follow the 4-1 defeat to Swansea at the Liberty Stadium, a loss he believes was defined by the second goal scored by Jonjo Shelvey.
He said: "I am really disappointed to lose.
"We started the game really well. We lost a goal but we deservedly got back into the match with a really good one ourselves. We got ourselves back into it.
"We then lost a poor goal. That second was a major turning point. It was a great finish but it was an error on our part.
"There wasn't much too much in it at that time. The second goal was the turning point though.
"The third goal took the wind out of our sails. The fourth goal was disappointing. Gabby had a similar one that wasn't given in the first half.
"We still need one more win.
"It's a must-win match next week. It's a cup final. We have to win it.
"They are three really tough games to finish. It's not a position we want to be in. But we are. Next week's is a must-win."
This is a super idea. If there is one thing that our players have shown they are good at (and there isn't), it's performing under pressure at Villa Park.
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Brian Green is right. We've allowed this to happen. Lerner, Faulkner and whatever stooge that's currently in the dugout would have been the subject of grief for years at any other club. If we do survive NOTHING will change under this incompetent management. It will simply delay relegation by 12 months.
Absolutely spot on.
We've been practically asset stripped (on the playing side) over the last 4 years and the fans have let them get away with it. Only now have we finally realised what Lerner has done to us.
That's a difficult argument to make, SH. Lerner has put up the dosh: the problem is that the jokers using the dosh have screwed up bigtime. Hardly asset-stripping; just rank incompetence.
Lerner sold all the quality at the club (except Benteke). Now we have a team packed to the rim with lower league rubbish on a relative pittance wage wise. We've been downgraded as a club, and most of us didn't even notice. In fact they fell for the "young and hungry" line hook line and sinker.
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The away support has been remarkably loyal, but at Palace there was real anger towards Lambert and today towards the players too. Vlaar was one of the few who came over to the away end. When he applauded the Villa fans he was jeered and, obviously annoyed, gave a "suit yourself" gesture and walked off. You sense that the players, like the fans, have given up
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Someone at the back of the room threw a shoe at him.
Very good :)
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"We then lost a poor goal. That second was a major turning point. It was a great finish but it was an error on our part.
"There wasn't much too much in it at that time. The second goal was the turning point though.
"The third goal took the wind out of our sails. The fourth goal was disappointing"
There's something quite amusing about that! It puts me in mind of the 'What have the Romans ever done for us?' sketch.
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Someone at the back of the room threw a shoe at him.
Very good :)
Very good? Bugger! I was hoping it was true.
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"We then lost a poor goal. That second was a major turning point. It was a great finish but it was an error on our part.
"There wasn't much too much in it at that time. The second goal was the turning point though.
"The third goal took the wind out of our sails. The fourth goal was disappointing"
There's something quite amusing about that! It puts me in mind of the 'What have the Romans ever done for us?' sketch.
Agree, I laughed out loud at that bit. Then I felt depressed
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Why do we play with a high defensive line, when both central defenders are as slow as fuck?
Why does Guzan give the ball to Vlar when there are players around him?
Why do we have players on the line to stop a shot but 2/3 attackers left unmaked?
Shocking decision by the ref for the 4th.
Swansea created nothing but we defended no better than schoolboys. We may well scrape our way to safety but if anyone thinks this team needs just a few quality additions is sadly wrong.
Lambert, who I have some sympathy for, is a dead man walking, whatever the outcome of the next 3 weeks.
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Yeah it was the fourth goal that was the disappointing one. There was no way back after that.
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Fair play to the fans. The players and manager can fuck off.
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Yeah it was the fourth goal that was the disappointing one. There was no way back after that.
It was for me.
I had 2 quid on Bony first scorer and final score 3-1 at 35/1
The useless bastards even managed to fuck that up for me.
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Hull could easily have rolled over today when they where 2 down but didn't. .sure as he'll they won't roll over next week
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"We want Lambert out" and You don't know what your doing" sang our loyal travelling fans at the end. Thank the f**k for that. When your hardcore fans do that your a dead man walking .
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Hull could easily have rolled over today when they where 2 down but didn't. .sure as he'll they won't roll over next week
My brother in law is a Hull fan and was at their match at Fulham today.
We exchanged texts through the game and after.
During the game, he was telling me that Hull were truly awful. When they equalised he told me he genuinely could not believe they had a point from that match and said "we are absolutely there for the taking on the road, especially in the first half of matches, and especially when we concede".
So that's t least a bit hopeful.
He also said they were so desperate, they had five strikers on the pitch for the last ten minutes. I nodded respectfully out of recognition of having observed such desperation myself on occasion.
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Yeah it was the fourth goal that was the disappointing one. There was no way back after that.
Irrespective of what went before, it was a shocking decision.
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Kicking off on 606
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Yeah it was the fourth goal that was the disappointing one. There was no way back after that.
It was for me.
I had 2 quid on Bony first scorer and final score 3-1 at 35/1
The useless bastards even managed to fuck that up for me.
god I feel for you on that, fucking club!
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Hull could easily have rolled over today when they where 2 down but didn't. .sure as he'll they won't roll over next week
My brother in law is a Hull fan and was at their match at Fulham today.
We exchanged texts through the game and after.
During the game, he was telling me that Hull were truly awful. When they equalised he told me he genuinely could not believe they had a point from that match and said "we are absolutely there for the taking on the road, especially in the first half of matches, and especially when we concede".
Sounds like 0-0 then, which may be enough.
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I can honestly see us winning comfortably, or getting twatted out of sight next week. I give up trying to predict anything with us any more, apart from we'll probably be shite more often than not.
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Gents I have been away today so didn't watch or listen to the match. How did Callum Robinson play and Marc Albrighton?
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No surprise. Damn you Lerner, Lambert, Faulkner. What the hell have you done to our club?
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the one thing I think you can say with some conviction is that we won't be beating anyone comfortably any time soon
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"We want Lambert out" and You don't know what your doing" sang our loyal travelling fans at the end. Thank the f**k for that. When your hardcore fans do that your a dead man walking .
'Sack the board' came out briefly.
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You just know it is set up for either the pub player (you know the one that is now a half decent defender) or Long to score next week.
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Get Moyes in now for a one game bounce.
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On the plus side, we had more possession than Swansea :-\
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Norwich look worse than us
They are down
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On the plus side, we had more possession than Swansea :-\
The daft thing is, in the first half, I thought we looked OK. Almost decent in spells.
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There's a circus in the town......... And it's us .....thanks to all involved, I hope you're proud you're an inspiration at the sty and the hawthorns you wankers
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the one thing I think you can say with some conviction is that we won't be beating anyone comfortably any time soon
We haven't won a game comfortably since Sunderland last season & even then we went a goal down first.
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the one thing I think you can say with some conviction is that we won't be beating anyone comfortably any time soon
We haven't won a game comfortably since Sunderland last season & even then we went a goal down first.
Norwich was pretty comfortable.
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On the plus side, we had more possession than Swansea :-\
The daft thing is, in the first half, I thought we looked OK. Almost decent in spells.
Agree.
I only managed to see parts on a stream, and we looked okay.
I know it's hardly a consolation, but, Charlie Nicholas, on SSN, said we were okay, too, and it wasn't a 4-1 game.
Problem is, a loss is a loss whatever the score.
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the one thing I think you can say with some conviction is that we won't be beating anyone comfortably any time soon
We haven't won a game comfortably since Sunderland last season & even then we went a goal down first.
Norwich was pretty comfortable.
Really, did you miss the first 30 minutes?
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As odd as this sounds, I think if we put in a performance like that first half next week we would win comfortably. With Villa, it's all about confidence and ours was snookered by a spectacular goal.
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Kicking off on 606
Is it somebody from Devon who wasn't at the game but thinks it's time for Giggs to go?
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the one thing I think you can say with some conviction is that we won't be beating anyone comfortably any time soon
We haven't won a game comfortably since Sunderland last season & even then we went a goal down first.
Norwich was pretty comfortable.
Really, did you miss the first 30 minutes?
It was 1-1 after 30 mins against Sunderland.
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I believe your away fans are your best, I haven't been an away fan for years, but when your away fans chant what ours have today you have problems. lambert is finished the players playing in our claret and blue shirt are and never will be good enough. But lerner is a complete twat he imho is the bloke that should just go. lambert like McLeish just went for the bigger job not their fault their under qualified , but lerner has wrecked our club in relatively a short time, what does the future hold, cuz with all the signs if not this season then were down next.
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We were never losing against sunderland.
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but lerner has wrecked our club in relatively a short time, what does the future hold, cuz with all the signs if not this season then were down next.
Fingers crossed Villa will somehow contrive to stay up and then Lerner will sell up before he finishes the job.
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We were never losing against sunderland.
Norwich ended up being more comfortable as it was game over at HT. It took an hour to be in the same position against Sunderland. We may be shit but I don't see how anyone can say Norwich wasn't a comfortable win.
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Ron vlaar scored first v sunderland they equali
sed Didnt they ??
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the one thing I think you can say with some conviction is that we won't be beating anyone comfortably any time soon
We haven't won a game comfortably since Sunderland last season & even then we went a goal down first.
Norwich was pretty comfortable.
Really, did you miss the first 30 minutes?
I think we were 3 one up at that point
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Please someone buy us out.
Everyone to do with this current crop of losers I want out of the club.
Lambert
Lerner
Faulkner
The defence
The midfield
The forwards
I honestly couldn't give a fuck if we started afresh from scratch and we never had to see any of them again. Theres a real losers and excuse makers mentality at the club right now. It started when MON left, no one took the bull by the horns and took charge, everything was MONs fault. 4 years later I wouldn't be surprised if they are still feeling sorry for themselves and cursing him.
We lose, we go again.
Someone fucks up, they get picked again.
Bad fullback? Buy another one? He's shit too? Buy another one.
It's a circus, a really dull one, ran by clowns who have no new material.
Every interview is the same.
90% of the team selections are the same.
Gameplan is always the same.
Mistakes made are the same.
Someone just come in, with a fucking brain and get some football men into this club and start again.
Lerner fuck off and buy yourself some new cars, I really wish we weren't your midlife crisis purchase.
Fulkner, youre an arse licker, you'll be sucking cocks in the FA to get ahead after this season hopefully.
And as for Paul Lambert and his two bullies he drags around with him leeching off our club, you're as inspirational as a turnip.
Go the lot of you.
Sums it up for me.
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It is really difficult to know where to start in fully describing the shambles this club has become.
Honestly, from top to bottom, the club is a fucking mess and all of them want fucking shooting.
The stay-away half arsed chairman who can't string two coherent sentences together with his "tell you what I am going to do in the summer" bullshit, the utter moron.
The shiny faced twelve year old CEO who is great at running restaurants and charities but absolutely out of his depth running a football club.
The denialist, mumbling wreck of a football relic we have in charge of the team who has managed to make McLeish look decent by comparison.
The collection of players who look like they should be in the Championship - at best - in most cases, and in others like they've never played the game before. This group of "young and hungry" players, the likes of the clueless Baker, the half arsed Weimann with his three goals all season and accompanying undropability, the ones who just don't look particularly arsed.
Or how about the ones who have spent the season playing keepy uppies with schoolchildren because their high wages mean they can't be trusted with the proper squad?
Then take a look at some of the shit that has gone on.
Coaches suspended for bullying.
Coaches who, apparently, had made training sessions a misery and had been actively training the players to play long ball tactics. What the fuck was Lambert doing while that was going on?
Who is the manager here at the moment? Is it Lambert? For how long? is he actually working his notice? Is the chairman going to sack him? Is the chairman going to actually be the chairman this time next week, let alone this time next year?
Sometimes a club will start behaving as if it has decided it is going to get relegated, and not let anything stop it. A few years ago that was Newcastle. This season, we are starting to look like that Newcastle side.
The difference is, Newcastle went down and kept all their better players. We are going to go down and find ourselves with a squad full of fucking dross which has no hope of getting automatic promotion.
Shame on the witlessly stupid, and the wilfully negligent morons who have brought us to this situation.
I wouldn't piss on any of them if they were on fire.
Thanks for expressing what I couldn't. Spot on.
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"We then lost a poor goal. That second was a major turning point. It was a great finish but it was an error on our part.
"There wasn't much too much in it at that time. The second goal was the turning point though.
"The third goal took the wind out of our sails. The fourth goal was disappointing"
There's something quite amusing about that! It puts me in mind of the 'What have the Romans ever done for us?' sketch.
He really doesn't realise how stupid he sounds when he comes out with remarks like that
The 5th was lucky
The 6th was offside
The 7th Baker was picking a bogey at the time
The 8th the players thought the ref had blew for a free kick
The 9th you've got to applaud, three cheers for the opposition
He really thinks he has an excuse for everything. The man is an incompetent joke.
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Next week is like a cup final eh.... we know what TSM2 thinks about cup football.
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The difference between Lerner and HDE is that Doug's decisions were always money based, good decisions and bad ones. I was, and remain critical of Doug Ellis but with him you knew what you got. You expected him to be an old tightarse and he would not let you down. He never hid, quite the reverse and whether by accident or design you usually knew what was going on at the club. Randy Lerner makes a very bad situation unbearable by hiding. He has got the money but he will not invest it in the club because he has got the pox to us and looks away from our plight. If Doug had been in charge for the last month Trinity Road would have been rammed with daubed bedsheets and cops dragging away protesters. For the last four years the club and the fans have been asleep and I have been as guilty of that as anybody. The only time we woke up was at the Bolton game and there are plenty around who consider what happened that day to be disgraceful. I consider it to be a tiny bit of evidence that the lion is still alive.
We have only got ourselves to blame for putting up with what has happened to our club.
Agreed.
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I was at the game. It was pockets of fans singing Lambert out etc so not by all means everyone. Most where just resigned to another performance of utter shite.
I can't make my mind up about Lambert. He's been asked to do a job on a budget and I feel a bit sorry for him in that respect. But then you see him playing Weimann out of position all season and his inability to coach corners at either end of the pitch makes you wonder how he has got away with being a coach for so long.
We will stay up though I think but something has to be done for next season or we will struggle to get above 25 points with this team. Oh and we've been unlucky with injuries.... Okere only has to be 5% better than Clark or Baker for us to be above 40 points by now.
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Baker. 60 odd games for the club. Clark 80 odd. Bennett, Luna, KEA, Holt, Steer, Lowton, Wiemann, garbage, wouldn't get into most decent championship sides. I can't believe Lambert got Holt in instead of addressing the shit at centre back. Utterly clueless.
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Ron vlaar scored first v sunderland they equali
sed Didnt they ??
Correct
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Next week is like a cup final eh.... we know what TSM2 thinks about cup football.
My fear is we will be 2 or 3 down before lambert and the players even realise we've kicked off. The movement of Long and Jelovich coupled with the passing skills of the Hull midfield will murder us off the park.
We are in total free fall.
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I think it's safe to say we are in a bit of a mess..but one day the lion will roar again..just not quite sure on the timing though
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Oh and we've been unlucky with injuries.... Okere only has to be 5% better than Clark or Baker for us to be above 40 points by now.
But then again, Okore was out way before the january window, in which we brought in Grant Fucking Holt.
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"We then lost a poor goal. That second was a major turning point. It was a great finish but it was an error on our part.
"There wasn't much too much in it at that time. The second goal was the turning point though.
"The third goal took the wind out of our sails. The fourth goal was disappointing"
There's something quite amusing about that! It puts me in mind of the 'What have the Romans ever done for us?' sketch.
I laughed at that as well. Is he trying to say that if we hadn't conceded 4 goals we might have stood a chance?
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Onje_Villa absolutely on the money for me.
I remember when it was a joy to go to the villa because we put a shift in.
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I think it's safe to say we are in a bit of a mess..but one day the lion will roar again..just not quite sure on the timing though
Sadly I think the timing is years, not months.
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Well I hope it's not too many years...I'm 50 ffs
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Wonder what the club record is for 4-1 defeats in a season? If any manager can break it, mr mumbles can
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"We then lost a poor goal. That second was a major turning point. It was a great finish but it was an error on our part.
"There wasn't much too much in it at that time. The second goal was the turning point though.
"The third goal took the wind out of our sails. The fourth goal was disappointing"
There's something quite amusing about that! It puts me in mind of the 'What have the Romans ever done for us?' sketch.
I laughed at that as well. Is he trying to say that if we hadn't conceded 4 goals we might have stood a chance?
Tottenham is going to be a right laf.
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Spuds put the scum down, oh God, please don't do the same to us.
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Spuds put the scum down, oh God, please don't do the same to us.
It is written in the stars.
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I think I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that if we go down its not quite the end of the world..worse things happen..just look at recent disasters...The only difference is we could all see this disaster coming
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"We then lost a poor goal. That second was a major turning point. It was a great finish but it was an error on our part.
"There wasn't much too much in it at that time. The second goal was the turning point though.
"The third goal took the wind out of our sails. The fourth goal was disappointing"
There's something quite amusing about that! It puts me in mind of the 'What have the Romans ever done for us?' sketch.
I laughed at that as well. Is he trying to say that if we hadn't conceded 4 goals we might have stood a chance?
Tottenham is going to be a right laf.
Relegation party.
Seriously, imagine how nerve shredding it might be if we need a result there?
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I think I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that if we go down its not quite the end of the world..worse things happen..just look at recent disasters...The only difference is we could all see this disaster coming
And Lambert might have dealt with it in the January window. Instead he brought Grant Shite.
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Did I imagine the boos or was Grant Holt boo'd onto the field today ?
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Did I imagine the boos or was Grant Holt boo'd onto the field today ?
You must have misheard. It was Grant Holt's boobs on the field.
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Did I imagine the boos or was Grant Holt boo'd onto the field today ?
Difficult to tell amongst all the general booing going on as to whether any of it was directed at Holt.
More likely booing at the general concept of Villa bringing on an on loan Championship striker than at the player himself.
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Thanks for the updates by the way Mr Sox.
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Thanks to Mr Shin for his text updates after I'd decided to abandon and head for the M4
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He added: Criticism is never nice, but I had it as a player and Ive had it as a manager at big clubs. Its something you take on your shoulders.
Im the manager of it, so Ill take it. Theres nothing wrong there whatsoever, as long as it protects the lads, then fine. But those lads will need the supporters. Everybody at the football club will need the supporters next Saturday.
"The good thing, if theres any good things, is that its still in your own hands. If it wasnt in your own hands.... I know Hull have scored a major goal. Its still in your own hands. Next weeks game is a cup final, thats basically it. Thats it in a nutshell."
Have you Paul? Have you really?
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90 minutes of car crash viewing, someone make it stop.
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Holt isn't very popular in Swansea as be scored against them a lot in the past so this may have contributed to any booing coming from Villa fans.
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Thanks for the updates by the way Mr Sox.
If I'd have know you were planning to avoid the game I'd have held back on the texting.
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Thanks for the updates by the way Mr Sox.
If I'd have know you were planning to avoid the game I'd have held back on the texting.
Nothing I try seems to bring us luck any more. I'm hoping the new trackie top I bought today does the trick next week. Otherwise it's off to Iceland for Fish pies for the last 2 games.
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They need to be Admiral pies. Plain fish is not enough.
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The Orange Dot is dead. A prayer mat is being sourced.
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Maybe we could produce a deconstructed orange dot like they do in Masterchef.
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Funniest thing for me today was the bloke behind screaming at the Swansea fans that they were singing a song by Gary Glitter and he is a paedophile and therefore so were they for singing his song.
This rant went on for a good five minutes until I pointed out to him that the song the Swansea fans were singing was to the tune of Slade's "Cum on Feel the Noize".
He was a bit quiet for a while after that.
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The Orange Dot is dead. A prayer mat is being sourced.
Does that mean we have to bring Tony Butler out of retirement again?
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This is doing the rounds.
Is Vlaar having Paul Mortimer moment ?
http://instagram.com/p/nQ1Ve-Bu7F/
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This is doing the rounds.
Is Vlaar having Paul Mortimer moment ?
http://instagram.com/p/nQ1Ve-Bu7F/
I'd gone by that point but the reporter on da Beeb said that when the Villa players approached the fans after the game they were told to go away.
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This is doing the rounds.
Is Vlaar having Paul Mortimer moment ?
http://instagram.com/p/nQ1Ve-Bu7F/
He looks well pissed off but he should have still gone over.
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Is it a video? If it is sod all happens for me when I click it.
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Yes, its a video
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Is it a video? If it is sod all happens for me when I click it.
It is. Vlaar starts to come over and then kind of gestures fuck it. At least in his body language. I'm sure the players are just as tired of losing as we are watching them.
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Yes, its a video
Have we got a video?
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Ta muchly both.
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Is it a video? If it is sod all happens for me when I click it.
It is. Vlaar starts to come over and then kind of gestures fuck it. At least in his body language. I'm sure the players are just as tired of losing as we are watching them.
Concrete my arsehole, he does realise he's mugging those fans off of tens of thousands a week doesn't he?
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Is it a video? If it is sod all happens for me when I click it.
It is. Vlaar starts to come over and then kind of gestures fuck it. At least in his body language. I'm sure the players are just as tired of losing as we are watching them.
I bet they'll all forget it when they're on their holidays, mind.
At least Vlaar gestured to come towards the fans - look at the rest, out of there like rats up a fucking drain pipe.
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Yes, its a video
Have we got a video?
I bet you've still got a Betamax or Video2000
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I think the fan repeatedly shouting "you're shit Ron" may have put him off?
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Is it a video? If it is sod all happens for me when I click it.
It is. Vlaar starts to come over and then kind of gestures fuck it. At least in his body language. I'm sure the players are just as tired of losing as we are watching them.
Yeah, but we can't do anything about it
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Is it a video? If it is sod all happens for me when I click it.
It is. Vlaar starts to come over and then kind of gestures fuck it. At least in his body language. I'm sure the players are just as tired of losing as we are watching them.
I bet they'll all forget it when they're on their holidays, mind.
At least Vlaar gestured to come towards the fans - look at the rest, out of there like rats up a fucking drain pipe.
I could do with a holiday or better still a lobotomy to help me forget it
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Ah I can see it on my phone, hard to tell what gesture it is on a small screen.
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I'm on my laptop and couldn't really see either.
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Neither could I.
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The video works fine for me.
There's nothing in Ron's gesture. It's just an "oh, sod it" arm flap.
Far better that he just walked away when he realised that, no matter how well intended his approach to the fans was, it was only going to aggravate things.
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Other than one of the blokes by me deciding to make a leap into the no-man's land area between us and the Swansea fans (and they getting escorted out), was there any other trouble near the end or after the game.
I abandoned just before the penalty
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Gotta win I said..well that is the Villa for ya... How many more years? New era on the horizon and cannot come quick enough!
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I think the fan repeatedly shouting "you're shit Ron" may have put him off?
Yeah I think so. Bit of a lose/lose situation for him to be honest.
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T think even Paul McGrath may have had problems alongside Baker. I know Clark is no world beater, but he is so much better than Baker.
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The Orange Dot is dead. A prayer mat is being sourced.
I'm trying to find mine
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I've got a few muslim prayer mats if you're interested?
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Yes, its a video
Have we got a video?
YES WE'VE GOT A VIDEO
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I spent the afternoon with my mom, semi aware of the shambles unfolding in Swansea. Can't be bothered to read the match thread. Where we are now feels very much like last season, except not sure we'll be able to rely on an Arsenal beating Wigan to save us scenario this year.
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I think the fan repeatedly shouting "you're shit Ron" may have put him off?
Yeah I think so. Bit of a lose/lose situation for him to be honest.
It didn't look like a gesture to me, more like Fuck it you're Pissed and you'll abuse me, as Shit as we are I don't think it helps, having said that if I'd been there I probably would have done the same
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Yes, its a video
Have we got a video?
YES WE'VE GOT A VIDEO
Anyone know where the remote is ?
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The problem I have in dealing with the Villa is that when we have a shit result, I want to shut myself away. It makes it worse and I hadn't realised. Today a friend dropped by just after the final whistle and, much as I wanted to shout at him to fuck off, I couldn't, so I made him a cup of tea and we had a conversation. It really helped.
Giggsy's Red Devils getting a result at The Theatre of Dreams in front of the United Faithful really helped too.
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Not long in. That was another - yet another - abject load of bollocks. Conditions cannot excuse the performance - they passed the ball, to feet and used the ball as best they could. We can't string 3 passes together, and if we find ourselves within sight if goal, turn round and play it back.
The players have given up, and for anyone wearing the Villa shirt, that is unacceptable. Shame on every one if those players and the manager. A disgrace.
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Yes, its a video
Have we got a video?
YES WE'VE GOT A VIDEO
Anyone know where the remote is ?
On a wire
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That was a pile of shite today. As bad as it gets - I hope. In the Red Lion now and about to start my second double G&T. Wonder how many it will take to dull the pain and anger.
Good day though, despite the football.
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What killed us today was that we had so many individually poor performances.
Bacuna, Gabby, Weiman,Baker were the worst
Delph, Guzan Vlaar were not great and Holt when he came on was Stainrodesque.
Only Westwood Albrighton played OK.
Having a couple playing badly is one thing but we had nearly a complete team in a very big game no where near good enough.
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This is the same as it always is. The disgrace of flopping in a twitching heap over the line to safety is just as demeaning as relegation. The damage is done. We can never get that season back. It is there in all its infamy in the big book of Aston Villa for all to see. If we win all our remaining games five nil the club has been exposed as a stumbling, muddling, uncoordinated, mismanaged mess. Staying in the premiership by the skin of our teeth will not expunge the fact that allegedly the coaches were mistreating the players under the nose of the manager and he did nothing to stop it. And that is only one little bit of the swamp which is Aston Villa which has come to light. I want my grandchildren to be proud of being Villa fans not embarrassed. Only the fans understand feelings of that importance. To all the rest, even the players it is just about money.
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...and another thing. Weimann must not start next week. So far off form it's untrue.
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Something has to be done. I've been a season tkt holder for 20 years and tonight is the first time I've ever registered for a forum because I'm so upset & angry. We need to march on this. >:(
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Something has to be done. I've been a season tkt holder for 20 years and tonight is the first time I've ever registered for a forum because I'm so upset & angry. We need to march on this. >:(
Sorry it took this for you to come here mate - welcome
Afraid marching will be decried as "small time" - we have to support them for 90 minutes as best we can ( we are never good enough at it) and then slink off home...
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It wasn't just Vlaar that came
Over to us at the end, Alby, Baker and one or two others did as well and got told to fuck off and waved away by quite a few fans. A few clapped, myself included. Saddens me to see anyone in the claret and blue get abused like that, anger should be directed at Lambert and Lerner.
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I was at the game. It was pockets of fans singing Lambert out etc so not by all means everyone. Most where just resigned to another performance of utter shite.
I can't make my mind up about Lambert. He's been asked to do a job on a budget and I feel a bit sorry for him in that respect. But then you see him playing Weimann out of position all season and his inability to coach corners at either end of the pitch makes you wonder how he has got away with being a coach for so long.
We will stay up though I think but something has to be done for next season or we will struggle to get above 25 points with this team. Oh and we've been unlucky with injuries.... Okere only has to be 5% better than Clark or Baker for us to be above 40 points by now.
if we had signed even Scott Dann in Jan we would probably be safe now. Not to mind Michael Dawson or Lescott on loan.
To be honest bad and all that Clark is he is still a division better than Baker.
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Welcome mossy. You brought your pain to the right place. Marching was for Doug and DOL. Bolton was for TSM. This cabal of incompetents deserve one thing and one thing only. Mass contempt. An empty stadium and the silent treatment is all they will understand. They are not football men you see. They do not understand football stuff.
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It wasn't just Vlaar that came
Over to us at the end, Alby, Baker and one or two others did as well and got told to fuck off and waved away by quite a few fans. A few clapped, myself included. Saddens me to see anyone in the claret and blue get abused like that, anger should be directed at Lambert and Lerner.
Agree, it's not the players fault, certainly not the likes of Albs or Baker. They try hard but simply aren't PL level. Vlaar and KEA were bought from abroad as gambles and they are not PL quality. The likes of Westwood Lowton Bennett etc are just League 1 players having a go . Not their fault they have been dropped into the deep end of the pool
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Something has to be done. I've been a season tkt holder for 20 years and tonight is the first time I've ever registered for a forum because I'm so upset & angry. We need to march on this. >:(
We'll have no marching here! Are you local?
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It wasn't just Vlaar that came
Over to us at the end, Alby, Baker and one or two others did as well and got told to fuck off and waved away by quite a few fans. A few clapped, myself included. Saddens me to see anyone in the claret and blue get abused like that, anger should be directed at Lambert and Lerner.
Agree, it's not the players fault, certainly not the likes of Albs or Baker. They try hard but simply aren't PL level. Vlaar and KEA were bought from abroad as gambles and they are not PL quality. The likes of Westwood Lowton Bennett etc are just League 1 players having a go . Not their fault they have been dropped into the deep end of the pool
Yet another black mark against Lerner, and to a certain extent Lambert. The players are the fall guys in all this, and many of them are lambs to the slaughter.
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It wasn't just Vlaar that came
Over to us at the end, Alby, Baker and one or two others did as well and got told to fuck off and waved away by quite a few fans. A few clapped, myself included. Saddens me to see anyone in the claret and blue get abused like that, anger should be directed at Lambert and Lerner.
Agree, it's not the players fault, certainly not the likes of Albs or Baker. They try hard but simply aren't PL level. Vlaar and KEA were bought from abroad as gambles and they are not PL quality. The likes of Westwood Lowton Bennett etc are just League 1 players having a go . Not their fault they have been dropped into the deep end of the pool
Poor lambs
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Something has to be done. I've been a season tkt holder for 20 years and tonight is the first time I've ever registered for a forum because I'm so upset & angry. We need to march on this. >:(
We'll have no marching here! Are you local?
Genuinely funny, thanks for making me smile.
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Giggsy's Red Devils getting a result at The Theatre of Dreams in front of the United Faithful really helped too.
Well there you go. Reasonable sensible people have resorted to making this sort of statement. Lerner and Lambert have a lot to answer for!
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Is it a video? If it is sod all happens for me when I click it.
Are you playing it on VHS or Betamax?
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We should never forget hidden amongst all of this was the debacle over taking the FA Cup seriously. Supposedly to ensure our survival in this league. What a pitiful decision that will look if we drop. Amongst the many others.
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Is it a video? If it is sod all happens for me when I click it.
It is. Vlaar starts to come over and then kind of gestures fuck it. At least in his body language. I'm sure the players are just as tired of losing as we are watching them.
I don't see anything wrong with Vlaar's action. He claps and then stands and thinks and walks away with a bit of an arm wave as notices that all other players are not behind him.
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Giggsy's Red Devils getting a result at The Theatre of Dreams in front of the United Faithful really helped too.
Well there you go. Reasonable sensible people have resorted to making this sort of statement. Lerner and Lambert have a lot to answer for!
When Rooney's second goal went in, I felt happy for a fraction of a second, and a little part of me died
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Welcome mossy. You brought your pain to the right place. Marching was for Doug and DOL. Bolton was for TSM. This cabal of incompetents deserve one thing and one thing only. Mass contempt. An empty stadium and the silent treatment is all they will understand. They are not football men you see. They do not understand football stuff.
Great comnent Brian
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Giggsy's Red Devils getting a result at The Theatre of Dreams in front of the United Faithful really helped too.
Well there you go. Reasonable sensible people have resorted to making this sort of statement. Lerner and Lambert have a lot to answer for!
When Rooney's second goal went in, I felt happy for a fraction of a second, and a little part of me died
Don't worry, you can get a special pump for that.
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We should never forget hidden amongst all of this was the debacle over taking the FA Cup seriously. Supposedly to ensure our survival in this league. What a pitiful decision that will look if we drop. Amongst the many others.
It already does regardless of what happens in the last 3 games. The man is pathetic and there were people who went to extreme lengths to defend his stance on the FA cup.
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I'm near the end of my 11-hour round trip and also the end of my patience. I've just received an email from Villa reminding me that I haven't yet renewed. I suppose you have to admire their cheek but that's all there is to admire. The last couple of months have been as dismal as anything since 1986--7 and Villa are very naive if they think their season ticket holders are going to sign up for more of the same. The players are as much to blame as the manager: their performance today was devoid of skill, intelligence and commitment. If the players aren't interested you can't expect the fans to be.
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I'm afraid the very second our destiny is confirmed - whatever it may be - Lambert must be relieved of his duties. He simply isn't up to managing our club. As simple as that.
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I'm near the end of my 11-hour round trip and also the end of my patience. I've just received an email from Villa reminding me that I haven't yet renewed. I suppose you have to admire their cheek but that's all there is to admire. The last couple of months have been as dismal as anything since 1986--7 and Villa are very naive if they think their season ticket holders are going to sign up for more of the same. The players are as much to blame as the manager: their performance today was devoid of skill, intelligence and commitment. If the players aren't interested you can't expect the fans to be.
Well said, frank.
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Whatever happened to Mattieu Berson by the way?!
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The owner has given up, the manager can't do the job he signed up for and the players are not Premier League standard players.
We are in deep shit and the only thing that will save us ( this season) is the crapness of the few teams below us.
I can't wait until this season is over, whatever the outcome.
Thanks Randy, you have taken away from me one of the few joys I had left for myself.
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Well the nightmare continues, after the happenings a week last Tuesday I posted something on here to the effect that they would have a positive effect on the motivation of the players. Two games later I have to say how wrong I was. Why the hell I made the trip today, four hours each way, having had two injections in my lower back yesterday evening I do not know; probably because my elder son had a ticket and I didn't want to let him down, or I'm just a sucker for punishment, or both.
Why do none of our players seem able to kill a ball dead? it seems to jump up off their feet or shins every time.
Why does Nathan Baker make more tackles with his hands and arms than he does with him feet? In fact, why do I have to watch Nathan Baker play at all?
Why, after the line up against Southampton patently didn't work, did we start with the same line up today? Whilst I'm no great advocate of Grant Holt (after all I see him as a reject from a club which was today relegated to League Two) I feel he should have started today, if only to give us a presence up front and enable us to retain the ball longer in the final third. I'd have played Weimann alongside him - I feel, sorry for Andi who is out of position on the wing.
The players just do not seem to be being coached. Bacuna has the making of a decent right back but he dozes off too easily, e.g. when we need to take a quick throw in; yes, that's something else we're not very good at. These things should be drilled into him and others at Bodymoor Heath.
In the second-half, noting the lack of effort from our players, I turned to my son and said they look as though they are unmotivated because they know they're not good enough for the Premier League and they probably think they have a better chance of still playing if we're in the Championship. What a thought!
After 80 minutes there were some very loud chants from the Villa fans of 'What the f***in' hell is this?'
Catching a couple of Lambert's comment on R5 on the way home. If he thinks we 'got off to a good start' then I'd hate to see what a bad start looks like. We were 1-0 down after 6 mins FFS. Something about 'sails falling off after the third goal'; I think they fell off several weeks ago (1 point from 18!).
'D**k of the day' award goes to the t**t in Row U, Seat 97 who fell into my son in the first-half causing him to bruise his shin on the seat in front and stub his toe.
I think I'll go and rest my back now.
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Did Gabby even score looks like an og to me.
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Hapless and helpless. I am broken by this season. No more.
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Claret shorts.
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Charlie Aitken then for Temporary manager til end of season....?
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Charlie Aitken then for Temporary manager til end of season....?
Charlie Dimmock would be an improvement
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I'm near the end of my 11-hour round trip and also the end of my patience. I've just received an email from Villa reminding me that I haven't yet renewed. I suppose you have to admire their cheek but that's all there is to admire. The last couple of months have been as dismal as anything since 1986--7 and Villa are very naive if they think their season ticket holders are going to sign up for more of the same. The players are as much to blame as the manager: their performance today was devoid of skill, intelligence and commitment. If the players aren't interested you can't expect the fans to be.
We were just saying that in the pub when we got back. How can they expect us to sing for them if they don't produce?
At the moment I've had enough. Mind you, I've had a drink or two. I needed them when we got back. Dreadful day of football.
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Charlie Aitken then for Temporary manager til end of season....?
Charlie Dimmock would be an improvement
Braless?
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Who is Braless?
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Charlie Aitken then for Temporary manager til end of season....?
Charlie Dimmock would be an improvement
Braless?
It would be better than the huge tits that are running the club
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Claret shorts.
Claret jugs rather then shorts I think!
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Who is Braless?
Charlie dimmock
I didnt mean Alan Titchmarsh
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We got rid of Dunce no. 2 and Dunce no 3.
Unfortunately Dunce no.1 is alive and well, and mumbling to fuck.
Not all his countrymen are so inarticulate though.
Me: I can't go through another season like this
Glaswegian drinking partner: Don't worry, you're going down. You won't have to
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Whatever happened to Mattieu Berson by the way?!
Died at Passchendaele.
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Whatever happened to Mattieu Berson by the way?!
Died at Passchendaele.
no he's still waiting to start. Training with the kids. Number 41
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Charlie Aitken then for Temporary manager til end of season....?
Charlie Dimmock would be an improvement
Braless?
It would be better than the huge tits that are running the club
Time for a water feature.
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Burnley are in the Premier League. We could be out of it. That's how far we have fallen.
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Time for a water feature.
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How about pissing in the wind without a brolly?
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I watched most of the game (didn't see the penalty) and thought we were ok, albeit I was comparing it to some of the absolute shithouse pathetic performances that we've suffered throughout most of the season. I readily expect that we're going to get beaten by Hull, Tottenham and Man City but will stay up by virtue of several teams being somehow more shit than us.
This has got to be it though, Lambert needs to go and Lerner needs to sell. Otherwise I'll kill you all *stern face*.
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I said to a mate as recently as last weekend that if we finished higher than we did last season, I'd give lambert another season. Not so sure now. We are fucking shit and the buck stops with the manager. It's a thumbs down from me. Sorry Paul.
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Well we honestly thought it could not get any worse, oh how sadly wrong we were.
I think it has actually sunk in to Lambert that he cannot stop the car wreck that he is the driver off, to me he knows what ever happens between now and the end of the season he is a goner, he is acutely aware that the players he is relying on are not good enough and just hoping the 3 results (Man City, Arsenal and Chelsea) that none of us expected, 26 points without those results, will be enough to crawl over the line with 3 worse teams than us, but even then he knows the P45 is in the post, I have a horrible feeling the stupidity of our CEO and owner they may have already told him this is the situation, nothing would surprise me with those two.
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Just one last thing , who out of any of us can see this team put on a barn storming performance at Villa Park next week to sweep away our worries, I cant so I think we will end the season on 35 points and we have to pray and hope that is enough and also don't rely on goal difference, as I think that is going to take a hammering over the next two weeks as well.
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Feel a bit guilty commenting on our away 'performances' as I only go to home games,never watch MOTD anymore as it's to embarrassing and just get the result at 5.55.
4-1 though not altogether surprising was still shockingly bad.I am 60 this year and have watched us every home game since 1967.
This is consistently the worst period in our history,it's getting worse and we are helpless bystanders watching our wonderful club being taken down the road to ruin by a collection of
Uncommitted incompetent gangsters who have hijacked us and there is nothing we can do about it.
Tragic.
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Once the hapless defence, unimaginative midfield and impotent attack is resolved we'll all be dancing in the streets once more. Unfortunately Lambert spends more time pushing his spectacles up the bridge of his nose than he does providing any useful service to Aston Villa Football Club. A laughing stock now run and managed by buffoons.
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At least we will have the best ground in the Championship...and then league one after that. Other than that everything that needs to be said already has been in the thread.
Will be watching sky sports new this am praying for the breaking news that the scots dolt has been given his marching orders and John Gregory is leaving Crawley with inmediate effect!
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Poor individual errors (particularly Baker) caused the goals but the absence of energy and commitment in closing Swansea down was at the heart of the defeat.
We're where we are because of basic errors and poor coaching ... as well as bringing in players who are modest compared to the Premiership standard. But the essence is that we don't do the basics well and are not learning from the mistakes of last season and earlier this.
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Whatever happened to Mattieu Berson by the way?!
Think he runs the chippy on Witton Road now
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Mister E we do not learn from our mistakes on a week to week, game to game basis, that is the really scary thing, these people are suppose to be professionals.
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It's beyond words quite how bad we are.
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What on earth was Guzan thinking for goal 2 ? And what on earth was that ball from vlaar about ? Was it a mishit hoof or an over hit pass to midfield ? Just abysmal
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We played ok for about ten minutes after they went in front. Other than that we were dire. When was the last time we forced a keeper into making 3 or 4 really good saves?
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We finish the season as the worst side in the premiership on current form hows that for an epitaph Lambert.
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We finish the season as the worst side in the premiership on current form hows that for an epitaph Lambert.
And the 2nd worse are Norwich - another lambert project
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Baker is an awful centre half.
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We played ok for about ten minutes after they went in front. Other than that we were dire. When was the last time we forced a keeper into making 3 or 4 really good saves?
Has an opposition goalkeeper ever been man of the match against us?
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Cardiff?
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We finish the season as the worst side in the premiership on current form hows that for an epitaph Lambert.
I think that's Norwich City at the moment. Just.
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We finish the season as the worst side in the premiership on current form hows that for an epitaph Lambert.
I think that's Norwich City at the moment. Just.
No - we've just got one point from our last 6 games; Norwich have got 3
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Last 10 games (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/tables)
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Last 10 games (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/tables)
Fair enough - my newspaper only shows the last six, which is why I commented as I did. Just a shame the season didn't finish after the very first game we played!!
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I would agree that the Last 6 are more indicative of current form, though.
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Last 6 games is the most common currency used isn't it for form guide ?
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I know we've said it so many times but as soon as you read that Swansea hadn't won back to games in sixteen months you knew the rest. Embarrassing. Let's just get the season and be rid of these clowns
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Yesterdays heroes,
Baccuna, just not a full back,
Bertrand I honestly would not pay what Chelsea will want,
Baker, no more to be said,
Kia championship player at best.
Delph seems to be going backwards and that's a concern, one of the few we may get a decent amount for if we do go down, but not as much as we paid.
Westwood, Mr Angry yesterday.
Andi, now I know what Lambert did in Germany, he nipped across the border to Austria and Andi is his love child.
Gabbi at last a goal, but still so far of the pace.
Holte, just why oh why, the mobility of an old age pensioner
apart from that all is good.
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Baker is an awful centre half.
He just gets worse. A complete embarrasment.
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Baker is an awful centre half.
He just gets worse. A complete embarrasment.
If Baker were a horse, you'd want to shoot him to put him out of his misery.
He's terrible.
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As shit as we are, for all those convinced that Norwich, Cardiff and Sunderland are going to get the two wins each they all need to catch us, just have a look at that form table Legions just posted.
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Paulie, just don't give the gun to Gabby , Andi or Holte you know they would miss.
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As shit as we are, for all those convinced that Norwich, Cardiff and Sunderland are going to get the two wins each they all need to catch us, just have a look at that form table Legions just posted.
True.
Although, then again, Sunderland have just got four points from away matches at Chelsea and Manchester City, so I wouldn't be taking anything for granted on that account.
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Baker is an awful centre half.
He just gets worse. A complete embarrasment.
If Baker were a horse, you'd want to shoot him to put him out of his misery.
He's terrible.
Thing is lots of people say he's ok for 4th choice, but even if he were 4th he still wouldn't be anywhere near good enough. The fact he's been first choice for most of the last two seasons is a disgrace.
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Baker is an awful centre half.
He just gets worse. A complete embarrasment.
If Baker were a horse, you'd want to shoot him to put him out of his misery.
He's terrible.
Thing is lots of people say he's ok for 4th choice, but even if he were 4th he still wouldn't be anywhere near good enough. The fact he's been first choice for most of the last two seasons is a disgrace.
I dislike Baker's shite performances as much anyone (trust me ) however, who has been giving him the shirt every week?
Lets not make him the scapegoat. He's a young guy out of his depth, what is he to do, refuse to play on the grounds that he is so shite?
The blame for the likes of Baker, Bennett & Weimann lies firmly at the feet of the person who selects this trash.
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Baker is an awful centre half.
He just gets worse. A complete embarrasment.
If Baker were a horse, you'd want to shoot him to put him out of his misery.
He's terrible.
Thing is lots of people say he's ok for 4th choice, but even if he were 4th he still wouldn't be anywhere near good enough. The fact he's been first choice for most of the last two seasons is a disgrace.
I dislike Baker's shite performances as much anyone (trust me ) however, who has been giving him the shirt every week?
Lets not make him the scapegoat. He's a young guy out of his depth, what is he to do, refuse to play on the grounds that he is so shite?
The blame for the likes of Baker, Bennett & Weimann lies firmly at the feet of the person who selects this trash.
I can understand people going on about Baker, Weimann etc, as they're playing week after week, but, why do people keep putting Bennett in these lists? From the back end of last season and since he's come back from injury this season he's played pretty well.
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It was obvious Baker wasn't up to it from way back, but there were still plenty who said he wasn't that bad, that there's a good player in there somewhere. There just isn't. Ditto Clark, he was never and still isn't PL level and I doubt he ever will be. And there's a few others too. The one that disappoints me is Weimann who showed a huge amount of promise when he broke through. He was making intelligent runs that wouldn't ever occur to Gabby, and his finishing was decent. The last year and a half he's tended to be head down, hacking frantically at anything that comes his way and with the first touch of a pinball node. He's got zero composure but I still think a decent coach could salvage his career at the top level.
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Yesterdays heroes,
Baccuna, just not a full back,
Bertrand I honestly would not pay what Chelsea will want,
Baker, no more to be said,
Kia championship player at best.
Delph seems to be going backwards and that's a concern, one of the few we may get a decent amount for if we do go down, but not as much as we paid.
Westwood, Mr Angry yesterday.
Andi, now I know what Lambert did in Germany, he nipped across the border to Austria and Andi is his love child.
Gabbi at last a goal, but still so far of the pace.
Holte, just why oh why, the mobility of an old age pensioner
apart from that all is good.
The most misspelled names in one post I've seen. Thank the lord Clarke (sic) wasn't playing.
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Why is it 'wondergoals' have to be scored agin us?
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Why is it 'wondergoals' have to be scored agin us?
the disappointing thing is we've not scored many wonder goals ourselves this season. We scored quite a few last year. It's like the we've had our balls cut off in that department.
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Why is it 'wondergoals' have to be scored agin us?
the disappointing thing is we've not scored many wonder goals ourselves this season. We scored quite a few last year. It's like the we've had our balls cut off in that department.
Disagree
Delph v WBA
Delph v saints
Benteke v Norwich
Bacuna v Ci£y
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We made Jonjo Shelvey look a class player - nuff said.
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Why is it 'wondergoals' have to be scored agin us?
the disappointing thing is we've not scored many wonder goals ourselves this season. We scored quite a few last year. It's like the we've had our balls cut off in that department.
Disagree
Delph v WBA
Delph v saints
Benteke v Norwich
Bacuna v Ci£y
you've made my point for me. Thank you
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We made Jonjo Shelvey look a class player - nuff said.
we will make Hull look like Atlético Madrid
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As odd as it seems, we are probably in a better position now than we were on Friday. Only Sunderland made any headway over the weekend, the rest are just plain running out of games. However, the fact that we will probably not get relegated is hardly the point. We played some decent football at times yesterday. The problem was we defended like crap, it really was bad. Without Benteke we are totally toothless in attack. When we ship goals we have a mountain to climb to get back in the game. We are back to looking like we will concede every time the ball gets near our penalty area.
The sad thing that it is more coaching and tactics that are the problem. Bertrand is starting to come in for criticism. In his first game he really did look like he knew what he was doing; a few wekks at Bodymoor Heath and all that competence seems to hav eseeped away.
We can bitch about our players, but in truth they are no worse than - and in many cases better than - the opponents they have been losing to. Baker is not a great player, but he is no more limited a player than his opposite numbers in the SWansea defence, who were barely troubled on Saturday. If we were to give Venables a few weeks with that defence they would become tight enough.
Lambert has had a near impossible job assembling a squad of players from the mess we had at the end of McLeish's tenure. He's made a decent fist of it in truth. On the other hand Bodymoor Heath is a sgood a traiing ground as anywhere. He doesn't seem to have a clue what to do wih the place.
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Why is it 'wondergoals' have to be scored agin us?
the disappointing thing is we've not scored many wonder goals ourselves this season. We scored quite a few last year. It's like the we've had our balls cut off in that department.
Disagree
Delph v WBA
Delph v saints
Benteke v Norwich
Bacuna v Ci£y
you've made my point for me. Thank you
You're welcome. Almost forgot Westwood screamer at WBA too. Sublime strike
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Why is it 'wondergoals' have to be scored agin us?
the disappointing thing is we've not scored many wonder goals ourselves this season. We scored quite a few last year. It's like the we've had our balls cut off in that department.
Disagree
Delph v WBA
Delph v saints
Benteke v Norwich
Bacuna v Ci£y
you've made my point for me. Thank you
You're welcome. Almost forgot Westwood screamer at WBA too. Sublime strike
You're missing the point. We scored far more exceptional team goals and individual goals and generally looked a far better attacking threat last year. The fact that we don't score as many, even simple goals has had an effect on everything else.
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Baker is an awful centre half.
He just gets worse. A complete embarrasment.
If Baker were a horse, you'd want to shoot him to put him out of his misery.
He's terrible.
Thing is lots of people say he's ok for 4th choice, but even if he were 4th he still wouldn't be anywhere near good enough. The fact he's been first choice for most of the last two seasons is a disgrace.
I dislike Baker's shite performances as much anyone (trust me ) however, who has been giving him the shirt every week?
Lets not make him the scapegoat. He's a young guy out of his depth, what is he to do, refuse to play on the grounds that he is so shite?
The blame for the likes of Baker, Bennett & Weimann lies firmly at the feet of the person who selects this trash.
I can understand people going on about Baker, Weimann etc, as they're playing week after week, but, why do people keep putting Bennett in these lists? From the back end of last season and since he's come back from injury this season he's played pretty well.
He was awful against Fulham. I thought he was also awful most of last season.
Some of these players would do much better with more experienced players around them. Bennett just strikes me as rubbish though.
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Agbonlahor getting a regular start baffles me. He's a very, very average footballer and would struggle to get in many other top flight sides.
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Baker is an absolute disaster. How on earth he gets a game every week is beyond me. I'd put Clark in next week against Hull because the idea of Baker stumbling all over Shane Long every 5 minutes is making my blood run cold. Do him and us a favour and drop the bloke. Please.
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We made Jonjo Shelvey look a class player - nuff said.
we will make Hull look like Atlético Madrid
The maddening thing is your right.
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Agbonlahor getting a regular start baffles me. He's a very, very average footballer and would struggle to get in many other top flight sides.
Down to a lack of alternatives
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As odd as it seems, we are probably in a better position now than we were on Friday. Only Sunderland made any headway over the weekend, the rest are just plain running out of games. However, the fact that we will probably not get relegated is hardly the point. We played some decent football at times yesterday. The problem was we defended like crap, it really was bad. Without Benteke we are totally toothless in attack. When we ship goals we have a mountain to climb to get back in the game. We are back to looking like we will concede every time the ball gets near our penalty area.
The sad thing that it is more coaching and tactics that are the problem. Bertrand is starting to come in for criticism. In his first game he really did look like he knew what he was doing; a few wekks at Bodymoor Heath and all that competence seems to hav eseeped away.
We can bitch about our players, but in truth they are no worse than - and in many cases better than - the opponents they have been losing to. Baker is not a great player, but he is no more limited a player than his opposite numbers in the SWansea defence, who were barely troubled on Saturday. If we were to give Venables a few weeks with that defence they would become tight enough.
Lambert has had a near impossible job assembling a squad of players from the mess we had at the end of McLeish's tenure. He's made a decent fist of it in truth. On the other hand Bodymoor Heath is a sgood a traiing ground as anywhere. He doesn't seem to have a clue what to do wih the place.
Rather have Caulker than Baker or Vlaar
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Agbonlahor getting a regular start baffles me. He's a very, very average footballer and would struggle to get in many other top flight sides.
Down to a lack of alternatives
He's been very poor since he got injured at Liverpool where he was having a stormer and was actually in a decent run of form generally.
Overall I still want him to start more often than not away but he really shouldn't be a regular starter at VP anymore as with less space he hardly impacts on home games anymore.
Should be more of a squad player next season, Weimann aswell who has been woeful for most of this season yet has somehow amassed nearly 30 starts!
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Weimann needs to be played as a CF.
I'm not sure where he is playing at present or what his role is. I don't think he knows either.
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Weimann needs to be played as a CF.
I'm not sure where he is playing at present or what his role is. I don't think he knows either.
He does. Coffee Fetcher. Milk, no sugar you useless twot.
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Baker is an absolute disaster. How on earth he gets a game every week is beyond me. I'd put Clark in next week against Hull because the idea of Baker stumbling all over Shane Long every 5 minutes is making my blood run cold. Do him and us a favour and drop the bloke. Please.
This leaves me totally perplexed. I'm not a big fan of Clark's, but I actually thought that at the back end of last season and the start of this one, he'd improved quite a lot and looked far more assured alongside Vlaar. I don't understand what he's done to deserve being benched and have the walking disaster zone that is Baker played ahead of him.
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Agbonlahor getting a regular start baffles me. He's a very, very average footballer and would struggle to get in many other top flight sides.
I agree.
If one thing shows the small time operation we have become, it is that Gabby is an untouchable despite offering so little.
Or, offering something, just not anything like often enough.
Although he is far from our worst player, I kind of think the new manager would do well to get shot of him, to show we really were breaking with the accepted mediocrity.
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Baker is an absolute disaster. How on earth he gets a game every week is beyond me. I'd put Clark in next week against Hull because the idea of Baker stumbling all over Shane Long every 5 minutes is making my blood run cold. Do him and us a favour and drop the bloke. Please.
This leaves me totally perplexed. I'm not a big fan of Clark's, but I actually thought that at the back end of last season and the start of this one, he'd improved quite a lot and looked far more assured alongside Vlaar. I don't understand what he's done to deserve being benched and have the walking disaster zone that is Baker played ahead of him.
Agreed. I'd rather have Clark doing his Cruyff turn on the edge of our box than Baker doing his Wrestlemania moves at every opportunity.
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Think Baker needs to be taken out of the firing line for his own good.
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Or perhaps taken to it
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Will wait to watch MOTD before commenting on the performance (was at another match yesterday). But the fact that we got it back to 1-1 and couldn't at least hold it to a draw, and ended up getting hammered by a Swansea side with little to play for and who have hardly been pulling up any trees at home this season does not fill me with confidence.
This is the result which brings our state of affairs into focus. Win next week then we are safe, lose or draw then its an up hill struggle.
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Think Baker needs to be taken out of the firing line for his own good.
After yesterday, yes. There was some chap next to us who was giving him grief when he didn't even have the ball.
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Or perhaps taken to it
As long as it's not our forwards doing the firing?
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Baker's never looked good enough, he's just hidden that fact well with fan-loving sliding tackles.
I think Clark could make it as a Premier League player, I just think he's a massive confidence player, something we're in short supply of at the moment. He's got to play against Hull though - the thought of Baker trying to deal with the movement of Jelavic and Long is giving me nightmares!
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Think Baker needs to be taken out of the firing line for his own good.
After yesterday, yes. There was some chap next to us who was giving him grief when he didn't even have the ball.
If you were down near the front in row C that was probably me!! I had had lots to drink though my frustration with Baker was shared by many around me.
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Baker's never looked good enough, he's just hidden that fact well with fan-loving sliding tackles.
I think Clark could make it as a Premier League player, I just think he's a massive confidence player, something we're in short supply of at the moment. He's got to play against Hull though - the thought of Baker trying to deal with the movement of Jelavic and Long is giving me nightmares!
Totally agree. He seems to make terrible decisions in pretty much every game. Last week against Southampton he ducked and let a cross go in his own box when there was an opposition player right behind him, which could have easily cost us a point.
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At long last I agree with many others. Baker may have the height and is physically brave but has had enough chances to prove himself and has failed. It is not his fault that Lambert picks him and obviously he gives of his best when he plays which is often. Unfortunately his best is nowhere near good enough.
In reality Liam Ridgewell was more competent as a central defender. That is how poor Baker is.
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In fairness to Baker, he's a young lad learning his trade at PL level and being offered very little support or protection from the midfield or full backs. Yes he's making mistakes aswell but he's really not getting many favours from those around him.
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In fairness to Baker, he's a young lad learning his trade at PL level and being offered very little support or protection from the midfield or full backs. Yes he's making mistakes aswell but he's really not getting many favours from those around him.
It's not the making of a mistake that's the problem, it's the fact he consistently repeats his mistakes. He's simply not good enough and shouldn't be anywhere near a Premier League team.