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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on April 12, 2014, 04:54:35 PM
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Errr...
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Dead man walking.
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Utter shit. Yet again Albrighton comes on and we at least look a bit of a threat. Why the fuck doesn't he start?
P.s. Utter shit, load of old wank.
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Pathetic! We seriously need to sack this clueless clown tonight!!!
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Get the banners out.
Worst Villa manager of all time. Pathetic.
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Having played a near perfect game to beat Chelsea we've lost 4 on the bounce. What at the time seemed like near safety now is a relegation battle. Thank goodness for Spurs equalizer and for Fulham's hideous GD, and for Norwich and Sunderland being dire, because we are right in it again.
I've supported you Paul. I just can't anymore.
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I give up. I'm going to get pissed tonight maybe it will hide the shame.
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Has to go. Tonight. Clueless.
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There's (nearly) always one club that drops into that last relegation zone...
I would imagine that a club that can have both Fulham and Palace do the double over it might just be that sort of club!
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If he goes now, it'll make no difference. Nobody expects us to actually get anything from these last games, so even if a replacement came in, they could hardly do a worse job. It'd make me the most excited I'd been in a while about Villa if they gave the guy his cards. He's abysmal.
As for the match, we were fucking crap from top to toe. If we get relegated, which is actually looking pretty likely, we can't blame misfortune, unless it's the misfortune of being bought by a billionaire who's lost interest in everything to do with us.
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Let's go to Palace in the hope of scraping a draw.
Just go now you pathetic excuse of a manager.
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Dead club walking.
Forget any takeover, no one will want a Championship club.
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Just relying on other teams to be worse than ours and praying that Villa scrape points from somewhere. Miserable. Cardiff winning was a blow. At least Spurs demoralised Baggies.
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Utter shit. Yet again Albrighton comes on and we at least look a bit of a threat. Why the fuck doesn't he start?
P.s. Utter shit, load of old wank.
Spot on.
He was playing for a point which was clearly the wrong thing to do. I tried to be optimistic before but should have known better.
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Puncheon always seems to have a cracker against us I can see him scoring.
Another defeat is inevitable i'm afraid, it will match the 4 consecutive losses in December to exactly the same teams.
If it happened before it will happen again. Also predicting us conceding a goal around 82-92 minute mark.
My money will be on a home win.
Easy money. We are garbage!!
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Unsurprisingly dour. Lambert was never gonna do well in a game like this where organisation and a little bit of nous will see you through. Second time this season he's outwitted, very easily, by Pulis. Palace were well worth the win and they are a very poor side. Well organised though and as they don't score many, they stay patient and keep plugging away. They got their reward eventually.
As for us. Well we're horrifically bad. Poor players, poor management. It's a bad combo. Other results haven't been kind either.
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I expected to lose. It's Cardiff's result that has put the willies up me. I think we may be able to rely on Norwich not winning another game. But I'd assumed Cardiff were goners
Our last two games are awful and I can't see us getting anything against Southampton so the Swansea and then hull games will decide whether we go into the last game likely to go down or not
I'm so sick of being shit in the premier league though that I'm not sure it would be a bad thing for the team to go down. But it could be very bad for our already highly vulnerable finances
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He should explain why he never played Albrighton, our only creative player of recent games.
Abysmal - shut the door on your way out Lerner and Lambert.
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I honestly don't think we will pick up another point this season - we truly are an absolutely shameful mess from top to bottom.
Sadly, I suspect Lerner finds this acceptable.
Lambert should go now. Put Sid in till the end of the season, because we are clearly not getting any more points under this fucking idiot.
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He might just hang on because this game wasn't at home, otherwise it would have been a Bolton for sure. Next week's game is at home against the clearly superior but just possibly coasting Southampton, so we have equal chance of victory or defeat. Defeat then and he's gone.
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No creativity. Sloppy passing. Shocking decision making. Complete lack of urgency. Tackles as 2nd touches. Aimless long balls.
Without Benteke we are a lower half Championship side.
The question now is can we stay up with 34 points?
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Sad innit..could not foresee that in a month of away games.. Relegation form. Come on Villa!!!!
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I wouldnt rely on Norwich not pulling off a shock win. They played really well today by all accounts and were very unlucky. We, however look absolutely shite!
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One bright spot, as pissed off I am with how shit we are, at least I can rely on the Bitters to amuse me. 3-0 up and still don't win.
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I'm sorry, I know some associated with this site are very close to the club, but what is happening is completely disgraceful.
Under this owner, if we go down (and who would bet against it), we stay down.
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Aston Villa manager Paul Lambert said: "It was a really tight game, a physical game, there was nothing much in the game, they took their chance. The game could have went either way. It's a really fine margin in that game today. It is where it is, there's loads of teams and games still to play and you have to get over that finishing line as quick as you can. We saw a lot of ball and a lot of possession. There were wasn't too many chances for both teams."
Meh. I wonder how the new contract negotiations are going.
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He HAS to go, and he has to go now, before it too late.
Put Sid in charge for the last few games to try and find 3 points.
At least his team would go out with some pride and fucking passion!
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Lerner and Lambert just need to get out of our club now....absolute disgrace I am sick to death of the lot of them.
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He might just hang on because this game wasn't at home, otherwise it would have been a Bolton for sure. Next week's game is at home against the clearly superior but just possibly coasting Southampton, so we have equal chance of victory or defeat. Defeat then and he's gone.
Not soon enough for me. I've said it before, but I don't think these players give a flying fuck about Lambert. As soon as he fucks off the better. God, I hope it's tonight. I'd feel instantly more confident we'd survive.
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Lambert:
"It was a really tight game, a physical game, there was nothing much in the game, they took their chance. The game could have went either way. It's a really fine margin in that game today. It is where it is, there's loads of teams and games still to play and you have to get over that finishing line as quick as you can. We saw a lot of ball and a lot of possession. There were wasn't too many chances for both teams.
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out thought, out fought, tactically outwitted. wrong formation and wrong team selection. It could not have been any worse today, I simply cannot see anyway anyone can defend him. Has. To. Go.
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we're in big trouble. complete embarrassment.
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Awful. The worst performance since... well, since last week.
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Lambert:
"It was a really tight game, a physical game, there was nothing much in the game, they took their chance. The game could have went either way. It's a really fine margin in that game today. It is where it is, there's loads of teams and games still to play and you have to get over that finishing line as quick as you can. We saw a lot of ball and a lot of possession. There were wasn't too many chances for both teams.
I'd prefer it if he just said 'sorry'.
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Lambert:
"It was a really tight game, a physical game, there was nothing much in the game, they took their chance. The game could have went either way. It's a really fine margin in that game today. It is where it is, there's loads of teams and games still to play and you have to get over that finishing line as quick as you can. We saw a lot of ball and a lot of possession. There were wasn't too many chances for both teams.
Why do I feel distinctly unplacated by that piss-stream of cliches?
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What is so infuriating as that after 10 minutes of the second half, them scoring was obvious. So what did he do? Nothing, waited for them to score and ten panicked.
If there were any doubters out there I think today confirms it, this manager is clueless, has lost the plot and the only thing we an do which might help the next few games is fire him with extreme haste.
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It is pretty amazing that, from almost total consensus that we were not in a relegation battle, we've lost four games on the bounce to find ourselves in a relegation battle.
We are a dreadfully poor side, with a manager who quite clearly does not have a clue.
I just can't see how any chairman can possibly accept this. It is getting humiliating, it really is.
He has got to go now, I just can not see how he can survive this, not if we have an ounce of pride left in us.
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I give up.
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Jesus.
Didnt see the game. Never will.
I genuinely think we are going down.
Feeling pretty angry.
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I'm genuinely concerned about Cardiff overtaking us. It's like the club is set into concrete right now.
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I think we may have reached tipping point. In any sane world, this manager would have been sacked by now. The people running the club do not understand football, though, and this is the nub of the problem. They're like a couple of bus drivers in the cockpit of an Airbus A380. "Well, Paul, we haven't crashed yet, so we must be doing something right."
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Well at least we have something to play for still.
Atrocious, we are every bit bad enough to go down. A couple of jammy wins in the autumn where he scored six goals from seven shots in two games has kept us just about above water. But we are very much one of the weakest three teams in the league. Totally one paced, brainless and lacking completely in guile and movement, aside from Delph and Westwood moving towards the central defenders, turn, shrug when they see nothing on and pass it back to the defenders again. We would struggle to beat any team in the league right now, and by that I don't just mean the Premier League I mean all four league divisions. It's so pathetic it almost isn't worth getting depressed about.
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garbage again we played with 9 men again, i turned it off when they scored ffs
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I think we may have reached tipping point. In any sane world, this manager would have been sacked by now. The people running the club do not understand football, though, and this is the nub of the problem. They're like a couple of bus drivers in the cockpit of an Airbus A380. "Well, Paul, we haven't crashed yet, so we must be doing something right."
That's the scary part.
I think they find this acceptable. We need to stay up. I suspect their ambition doesn't really stretch very far past that these days.
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For the last four years I've thought it can't get any worse.....and it does. When we've been in trouble over the many years of supporting Villa I've always been concerned about the thought of losing star players and up and coming talent through relegation. There isn't a single player in the squad that I'd give a rats arse about selling. Says a lot about the rapid decline of our club and squad. I think Fulham and Cardiff will pull away so it will be us and Norwich that go with Sunderland, we will go down, of that I have absolutely no doubt.
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We will stay up.........just.
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I'm not so sure.
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I'm still confident we'll stay up. But it's just not good enough.
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The fact that we all knew this would happen is the saddest part. We all saw this coming and yet mumbles didn't.
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For the last four years I've thought it can't get any worse.....and it does. When we've been in trouble over the many years of supporting Villa I've always been concerned about the thought of losing star players and up and coming talent through relegation. There isn't a single player in the squad that I'd give a rats arse about selling. Says a lot about the rapid decline of our club and squad. I think Fulham and Cardiff will pull away so it will be us and Norwich that go with Sunderland, we will go down, of that I have absolutely no doubt.
Yup, there's no surviving this. Sack Lambert tonight and we might rally enough to get at least one point but we all know that's not going to happen.
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Quite possibly the worst game of football I have ever seen. Both sides deserved to lose.
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We have to win one of the next three, because we're winning none of the last two.
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how much of a drop in ticket prices would it be in the championship? >:(
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Only at Villa could we need 3 points from the last 4 games to be pretty much safe, and end up with zilch...thankfully for us, I think the bottom 4 have left themselves too much to do, thought Cardiff winning was a blow....we somehow need to scramble one win from somewhere to be absolutely sure...feck knows where from though..
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I honestly fear we wont pick up another point. And you never know with the other lot whether they'll go on a run or fold.
There's no doubt we're in the shite, and who could argue we wouldn't deserve it if we do go down?
I bet there are a lot of neutrals out there laughing their tatters off, hopefully we can at least use that potential shame to scrape a few more points to get us over the safety line.
Time to fuck Lambert off, get Sid in or Big Ron or Brian .. WHOEVER for a last ditch push for some points and pride. Today was pretty much as dire as it gets.
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I'm not so sure.
A point at Hull will do it.
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For the last four years I've thought it can't get any worse.....and it does. When we've been in trouble over the many years of supporting Villa I've always been concerned about the thought of losing star players and up and coming talent through relegation. There isn't a single player in the squad that I'd give a rats arse about selling. Says a lot about the rapid decline of our club and squad. I think Fulham and Cardiff will pull away so it will be us and Norwich that go with Sunderland, we will go down, of that I have absolutely no doubt.
Yup, there's no surviving this. Sack Lambert tonight and we might rally enough to get at least one point but we all know that's not going to happen.
I want him out, god I want Lambert out, but if Lerner appoints a new manager and is still here next season they'll be little difference. We need a clean sweep. Lerner needs to sell up to someone with a bit of ambition because clearly has none for our club.
Let's just hope the takeover stories are true because this club is in a slow downward spiral which will end in relegation sooner or later.
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Quite possibly the worst game of football I have ever seen. Both sides deserved to lose.
For the last four years I've thought it can't get any worse.....and it does. When we've been in trouble over the many years of supporting Villa I've always been concerned about the thought of losing star players and up and coming talent through relegation. There isn't a single player in the squad that I'd give a rats arse about selling. Says a lot about the rapid decline of our club and squad. I think Fulham and Cardiff will pull away so it will be us and Norwich that go with Sunderland, we will go down, of that I have absolutely no doubt.
Yup, there's no surviving this. Sack Lambert tonight and we might rally enough to get at least one point but we all know that's not going to happen.
Would Sid step into the breach if we ask him? We are in deep doo doo...
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Mathematically?
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The depressing bit is that you would normally have expected a response after last weekend, tub there seems to be absolutely nothing in the tank.
That is a managerial issue ...
I'm struggling to see where the points will come from in the remaining games.
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Quite possibly the worst game of football I have ever seen. Both sides deserved to lose.
Indeed, utter garbage, if we cant beat Palace we deserve everything we get.
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That was as piss poor as it gets.The team selection screamed draw and as it was we created nothing of note until they scored and we brought on Albrighton.
The fact he started KEA at RM over Albrighton is enough to give him his p45.
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Quite possibly the worst game of football I have ever seen. Both sides deserved to lose.
I thought they looked like Barca in the second half
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No, Palace were utter shite. That is what makes it so bad.
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I think we may have reached tipping point. In any sane world, this manager would have been sacked by now. The people running the club do not understand football, though, and this is the nub of the problem. They're like a couple of bus drivers in the cockpit of an Airbus A380. "Well, Paul, we haven't crashed yet, so we must be doing something right."
That's the scary part.
I think they find this acceptable. We need to stay up. I suspect their ambition doesn't really stretch very far past that these days.
I'm not saying that the board is perfect, but that they are not panicking and sacking the manager doesn't mean that they find this acceptable.
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Mentions of Sir Brian or Big Ron; we've fallen so far. At least when we went to Norwich needing a point to stay up we sort of knew as a club we'd bounce back sooner or later. These days we seem like a sort of corporate day out rather than a solid football club.
Lerner and Faulkner need to get a grip on this situation. If they smilingly allow Aston Villa to get relegated they shouldn't be allowed to step foot on the fucking pavement outside Villa Park, let alone be let anywhere near the running of the club.
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His poor recruitment is starting to tell now.Nobody at the club who can beat a man and pick a player out, nobody who has a pass in them, no movement up front.Puncheon and Bolaise were the best 2 players on the pitch today, how much did they cost.
My bugbear Westwood, was at his best today.He has a pass on him, but is far, far too negative.The only player really we have in midfield who can create, creates one chance against Palace.Not encouraged enough, not put under any competition, too comfortable.
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I think we may have reached tipping point. In any sane world, this manager would have been sacked by now. The people running the club do not understand football, though, and this is the nub of the problem. They're like a couple of bus drivers in the cockpit of an Airbus A380. "Well, Paul, we haven't crashed yet, so we must be doing something right."
That's the scary part.
I think they find this acceptable. We need to stay up. I suspect their ambition doesn't really stretch very far past that these days.
I'm not saying that the board is perfect, but that they are not panicking and sacking the manager doesn't mean that they find this acceptable.
Not making a choice is still making a choice.
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Well I only saw the second half, but from what I saw we were atrocious. Gutless, clueless, pathetic.
Put Sid in charge and we may not win every game but at least we will try. If we stick with Lambert for Southampton we are guaranteed a tense atmosphere and as soon as they score the knives will come out big time.
I am praying he is gone by Monday lunchtime. We are on the brink and basically sleepwalking into the Championship at the moment. We need a change, something to galvanise the club. We can't change the players so there is only one option.
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No, Palace were utter shite. That is what makes it so bad.
No they looked decent enough to me and deserved to win.
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Get the orange dot out for the Southampton match, we need Villa Park to carry the side over the line.
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No, Palace were utter shite. That is what makes it so bad.
sorry I don't actually mean they were that good, we were that bad. We looked like Grantham Town
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To quote from Golden Gordon in Ripping Yarns 'Useless,useless bastards'.
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Palace deserved nothing. Playing anybody else they would have been mullered, the awful long ball garbage.
Playing us, we offered nothing and weren't event competent to keep out their tedious one dimensional attack.
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I very rarely comment about performances, but that was a disgrace to the name of Aston Villa. Shocking selection and performance. I've stuck up for Lambert, but I just can't any more.
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From about minute 20, through to about minute 89, we were totally and utterly abysmal.
For that whole period we barely looked like a football team, but like a bunch of blokes making the numbers up.
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11/1 to go from 33/1 this morning.
Someone please reassure me we can find 3 points from the last 5 games.
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It's like Lambert and his staff have coached the football out of them. What ability they had looked more promising last season than it ever has this.
He has assembled a bloody terrible football team that looks inept in everything it does. I really haven't seen such a piss poor midfield in all my life...sidewards, backwards, back a bit more, to the keeper, BANG...lost it.
We need an owner who want's and strives for this club to achieve greatness and a manager with coaching staff who are not still set in 1970's football.
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Well I only saw the second half, but from what I saw we were atrocious. Gutless, clueless, pathetic.
Put Sid in charge and we may not win every game but at least we will try. If we stick with Lambert for Southampton we are guaranteed a tense atmosphere and as soon as they score the knives will come out big time.
I am praying he is gone by Monday lunchtime. We are on the brink and basically sleepwalking into the Championship at the moment. We need a change, something to galvanise the club. We can't change the players so there is only one option.
The only thing that is going to galvanise us in the immediate short term is the fans. When the players take the pitch v Southampton they need to know they can step on the pitch without fear and with total backing for ninety-plus minutes. If we do that I'm confident of three more points.
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I cannot think of how we set up to score a goal. I have no clue how we were supposed to have scored today.
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Get the orange dot out for the Southampton match, we need Villa Park to carry the side over the line.
Didn't exactly work very well this afternoon.
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I cannot think of how we set up to score a goal. I have no clue how we were supposed to have scored today.
You're Paul Lambert and I claim my Saturday afternoons back.
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Get the orange dot out for the Southampton match, we need Villa Park to carry the side over the line.
Didn't exactly work very well this afternoon.
I've given up in believing in the dot. It rarely works anymore. Orange Dot out!!!!
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Get the orange dot out for the Southampton match, we need Villa Park to carry the side over the line.
Didn't exactly work very well this afternoon.
I've given up in believing in the dot. It rarely works anymore. Orange Dot out!!!!
Truly, these are dark times.
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Admiral's pie back in.
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Piss poor all over the field, worst I've seen delph play, his passing was awful.
After nearly 2 seasons I'm still not sure weather Lambert hasn't got a clue or the current squad
are just so shockingly bad that they can't play the way he wants them to.
Trouble is, think it's the worse case scenario where it's a combination of both.
Next chance of any points will be at Eastlands ha ha UTV
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I think we've picked up 15 points in 19 games which is indefensible. however I think one more point may see us safe as plucky though they were today, Norwich's run in is truly horrific
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We are in such a mess at Villa Park...
We have an owner who has simply given up and is just going through the motions and it's bringing our club to its knees..
We have a manager that is pretty much useless in every department within the confines of his job..
We have a team full of championship and lower league players...
I'm not buying a season ticket next year as it stands, there is no point and I could really spend that money on something more enjoyable and better value for money (might buy a PS4 with FIFA 14 and the new F1 game and then I can pretend I got Sky Sports haha)..
I love Aston Villa but I can't support Lerner anymore, he has to go...
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What most of us expected we got. Lambert will not be sacked immediately, we might just stay up, but between May to July I think there will be major changes all round at Villa Park.
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Palace aren't a very good side but they're very well drilled in what they do. I think Pulis was happy to let us have the ball and try and make something happen, knowing it's not our strong suit. I think with Pulis he'd have been content enough getting a point. He didn't set his side out for an all out attack. He played it patient, knowing that if they sat deep and invite us to try and dictate things, we'd fall short.
We played right into Palace's hands. They set up, possibly much the same way as McLeish often set us up, to soak up any pressure and try and nick a goal. We had no answer to that and we never threatened. The onus was on us to break them down and of course, without the ability to play quickly on the counter, we had nothing going for us.
Lambert altered things too late as per usual, and as per usual made the wrong decisions. Grant Holt was awful and he looked dead on his feet after about 20 minutes. He should never have lasted the full 90. It even seemed like he was pretty keen to go off as well. He seemed to have a touch of cramp at one point. When he had one half chance, his legs had well gone by that point.
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Abject - very little fight today apart from the Villa fan who was escorted off by 5 stewards.
It all started going wrong when some of our support were singing during the Hillsborough silence.
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Even if we scrape through we are going nowhere with this manager. He is clueless, inept tactically, cannot motivate, reactive not proactive, in short I would place him right up there with Billy McBingo with the worst all time Villa managers, the talk of giving him a new improved super duper contract just sums up why our CEO and owner are even more clueless than he.
This is one of the poorest Villa sides I've ever seen, right up there and allowing comparisons to the late sixties sides that got us relegated to the Third Division.
I wouldn't be bothered if one of this current squad left, such is their quality, and it is a squad that Lambert has assembled.
Aside from Benteke (and anyone could see he was going to be a good player) his judgement in transfers has been poor, but he has set the team to play in this defensive and hit on the break style now and there is no plan B.
To get a win now we need to score a goal, the useless Agbonlahor, fat and slow Holt, and overrated and crap Weimman will not score the goals that can keep us up I'm afraid.
If we survive it will be by the skin of ou teeth, and even if we do, I implore the custodians of our once great, but now insignificant club, to do the right thing.
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Well I only saw the second half, but from what I saw we were atrocious. Gutless, clueless, pathetic.
Put Sid in charge and we may not win every game but at least we will try. If we stick with Lambert for Southampton we are guaranteed a tense atmosphere and as soon as they score the knives will come out big time.
I am praying he is gone by Monday lunchtime. We are on the brink and basically sleepwalking into the Championship at the moment. We need a change, something to galvanise the club. We can't change the players so there is only one option.
The only thing that is going to galvanise us in the immediate short term is the fans. When the players take the pitch v Southampton they need to know they can step on the pitch without fear and with total backing for ninety-plus minutes. If we do that I'm confident of three more points.
Sounds good, but you're more confident than I am, mate.
Last season I went to the QPR and Sunderland games although I don't go down too many times a season, because I believed it was time for Villa fans to stand up and be counted.
This time, I just can't bring myself to go again. I've lost belief, which is a sad admission to make, but there it is. If we don't go down this year we probably will next, unless there are really radical changes.
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A cracking atmosphere underneath the stand before the game and at half time at least.
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Get the orange dot out for the Southampton match, we need Villa Park to carry the side over the line.
Didn't exactly work very well this afternoon.
It was out this afternoon? I didn't see that ... Right, well, we need a big dot out for the next home match; we need totally focused positive vibes and we need to get those three points.
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Abject - very little fight today apart from the Villa fan who was escorted off by 5 stewards.
It all started going wrong when some of our support were singing during the Hillsborough silence.
That last bit if confirmed is shameful.
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He didn't set his side out for an all out attack. He played it patient, knowing that if they sat deep and invite us to try and dictate things, we'd fall short.
We played right into Palace's hands. They set up, possibly much the same way as McLeish often set us up, to soak up any pressure and try and nick a goal. We had no answer to that and we never threatened. The onus was on us to break them down and of course, without the ability to play quickly on the counter, we had nothing going for us.
Lambert altered things too late as per usual, and as per usual made the wrong decisions.
I'd say the opposite was true; Palace went for the jugular in the second half and we were set up to nick a goal. They utterly dominated us from 45 mins onwards and we showed little in return other than punts forward.
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Get the orange dot out for the Southampton match, we need Villa Park to carry the side over the line.
Didn't exactly work very well this afternoon.
It was out this afternoon? I didn't see that ... Right, well, we need a big dot out for the next home match; we need totally focused positive vibes and we need to get those three points.
First page of both the pre-match and match threads.
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Well I only saw the second half, but from what I saw we were atrocious. Gutless, clueless, pathetic.
Put Sid in charge and we may not win every game but at least we will try. If we stick with Lambert for Southampton we are guaranteed a tense atmosphere and as soon as they score the knives will come out big time.
I am praying he is gone by Monday lunchtime. We are on the brink and basically sleepwalking into the Championship at the moment. We need a change, something to galvanise the club. We can't change the players so there is only one option.
The only thing that is going to galvanise us in the immediate short term is the fans. When the players take the pitch v Southampton they need to know they can step on the pitch without fear and with total backing for ninety-plus minutes. If we do that I'm confident of three more points.
Sounds good, but you're more confident than I am, mate.
Last season I went to the QPR and Sunderland games although I don't go down too many times a season, because I believed it was time for Villa fans to stand up and be counted.
This time, I just can't bring myself to go again. I've lost belief, which is a sad admission to make, but there it is. If we don't go down this year we probably will next, unless there are really radical changes.
We've got to be mentally tough in this situation and that's what's going to get us over the line. Keep the belief going Astral Weeks, lift the lads to the points.
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The fact that we all knew this would happen is the saddest part. We all saw this coming and yet mumbles didn't.
No way am I defending Lambert, I think he's a very poor manager, but the blame for the situation we are in lies firmly at the door of the owner. Lerner has to be the most useless owner around, as evidenced by the way he ran the Browns in the US. I wouldn't trust him to pick up litter in the car park. The TRULY scary part is they think they're doing a good job.
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Abject - very little fight today apart from the Villa fan who was escorted off by 5 stewards.
It all started going wrong when some of our support were singing during the Hillsborough silence.
That last bit if confirmed is shameful.
Let's not make a big deal of it. I'm not a fan of minute silences. Fans are full of adrenaline (and beer) right before kick off and it doesn't take much for them to make a bit of noise. Besides it was probably a tiny minority.
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Well that was awful.
The hope is that when we play Soton, Swansea, Hull or Tottingham, at least one of them has an off day.
Because that is the only way we are going to get another point this season.
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We have got to get one win! 37 will do it!
34 will not be enough!
We have to find it in the next three games!
He has to get back to basics! Stop changing the team the formation! Work on a system and stick with it!
To me with the players we have left I'd go 4-3-3! Albrighton one side weimann the other gabby up top! Drill them to chase balls down the flanks use their pace!
Holt cannot play 90mins!
He needs to stick to a system and a side work hard in training ala palace and win one game!
If we do stay up then things have to change no more unknown buys! We need proven experience! If not get rid of him as no matter what this team should be doing better than losing twice to Fulham and palace ten home defeats
He has had so much patience from the fans get a grip or get lost lambert
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34 may well be enough to stay up. It's not enough for Aston Villa FC though.
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I've tried to keep positive and think of the long term 'plan', but after some of the worst football and performances in my living memory it really is time for Plumbert to go.
Unfortunately, we have an owner and executive team incapable of taking decisive action or attracting a progressive management team. This has truly become an embarrassing chapter for a once great football club.
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Well, that was rather horrendous.
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Fed up saying the same old things, unfortunately only other teams will keep us up as Villa have absolutely no fight left in them, lambs to the slaughter, Lambert is utterly pathetic!
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Mentions of Sir Brian or Big Ron; we've fallen so far. At least when we went to Norwich needing a point to stay up we sort of knew as a club we'd bounce back sooner or later. These days we seem like a sort of corporate day out rather than a solid football club.
Lerner and Faulkner need to get a grip on this situation. If they smilingly allow Aston Villa to get relegated they shouldn't be allowed to step foot on the fucking pavement outside Villa Park, let alone be let anywhere near the running of the club.
I am beginning to get the impression that's exactly what they are going to do - almost by design but I can't figure out why.
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http://twitter.com/MaddisonGR/status/455033490686234624/photo/1 Great Twitter pic showing Lambert's tactics board.
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After suffering that shite again , if anyone thinks that we are not bang in trouble , then wake up.
Clueless manager - way worse than mcleish - yes - honestly .
If randy or Faulkner have got any idea on football then they need to get rid - we are sleepwalking toward the trap door .
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Called it months ago.
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I am sorry but what is happening now comes as no surprise to me. To a number of us Lambert's inactivity in the January window, whether from trying to obey his masters or failing to demand more from them, resulted in us going into the second half of the season with massive inadequacies in the team. My own gut feeling is that he thought he could reproduce the late surge of last season and winged it. It was a policy asking for trouble and trouble is what we have got.
As I posted in February it is not as though we were trying to find like for like for players like Barry, Milner, Young or Downing, it was a bit more quality than what we have and a bit more football savvy. We got Grant Holt on loan.
I think Paul Lambert is every bit as poor a manager as Alex McLeish. He promised to be considerably better but never delivered. He is not even a shadow of the manager he was at Norwich or Colchester.
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To the manager and the owner.
You have gambled this clubs Premier League status by allowing experienced international players to leave the club and replacing them with utterly inexperienced and largely unknown 'talent'.
Worse still you have allowed us to be dumped out of competitive cup competitions (our only chance of silverware) in order to preserve our Premier League place which tonight hangs by a thread.
Lambert you spoke of a three year plan and advised us all to be patient and watch this young and hungry batch of players grow.
Whilst we have shown this immeasurable amount of patience you have presided over record breaking defeats, record breaking numbers of home defeats, humiliating semi final cup exits at the hands of 4th Division opposition in this case unforgivably over two legs, early cup exits against other lower league opposition, one of whom is enjoying a Wembley appearance this weekend. All this in the name of 'steady progress'. You even steadfastly refused to consider a recall of a proven England International striker that you unceremoniously dumped when you learned that your one success (Christian Benteke) would be out for the rest of the season.
Given that we are almost certain to end this season on a worse points total than last season and are poised to finish closer to relegation than ever (with the possible exception of one other Premier League season) you must accept by any measure this project has failed spectacularly. We are now in a worse position than when you started with not a lot of genuine hope for the medium term.
When faced with the stark facts in front of you then you must accept your time at the club is now at an end and you must do the decent thing and go now.
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It's fair to say the fans have turned I think, the next home game could be very ugly.
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Didn't sound too bad on the feed i had tbh.
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Abject - very little fight today apart from the Villa fan who was escorted off by 5 stewards.
It all started going wrong when some of our support were singing during the Hillsborough silence.
Yes. They were total arseholes and that is the trouble when we take the full allocation.
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Get the orange dot out for the Southampton match, we need Villa Park to carry the side over the line.
Didn't exactly work very well this afternoon.
I've given up in believing in the dot. It rarely works anymore. Orange Dot out!!!!
the dark moon of despair has eclipsed the once mighty orange dot and plummeted us into eternal darkness
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Get the orange dot out for the Southampton match, we need Villa Park to carry the side over the line.
It didnt help today.
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I'd like to see us mix things up a bit in the next few games. Give games to a few of the outsiders in the team like Tonev, Helenius and a few of our youngens like Johnson, Robinson and Gardner.
We should never play 5 at the back again either. Having both Clark and Baker in the side just doubles your chances of a cock up. Stick with 4 at the back, as it's scoring goals we're struggling more with.
Gabby should be dropped. Holt should not start games.
Weimann's had most of a games rest, and I'd like to see him playing right up top with perhaps Helenius dropped off him.
We've got to change something round.
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Where's Villa Kicks. I need cheering up!
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Where's Villa Kicks. I need cheering up!
He'd have picked a better side today than Lambert did to be fair to the lad.
And yes, that zany fella and his bizarre posts are missed at the moment.
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Can someone post a torn villa badge picture.
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Abject - very little fight today apart from the Villa fan who was escorted off by 5 stewards.
It all started going wrong when some of our support were singing during the Hillsborough silence.
Yes. They were total arseholes and that is the trouble when we take the full allocation.
All very embarrassing today. That and our display. I won't go again whilst this idiot is in charge. Or, I am thinking more and more, whilst Lerner owns the club
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I don't actually blame Lambert. He's a small time Yes Man offered his shot at a big club, and would be insane to turn it down. It's Lerners fault. He drove our last great manager out of the club and replaced him with a succession of mediocrities and no-marks. If you want Villa to be anything like what we were, then it is Lerner who should be bundled out of the door
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To the manager and the owner.
You have gambled this clubs Premier League status by allowing experienced international players to leave the club and replacing them with utterly inexperienced and largely unknown 'talent'.
Worse still you have allowed us to be dumped out of competitive cup competitions (our only chance of silverware) in order to preserve our Premier League place which tonight hangs by a thread.
Lambert you spoke of a three year plan and advised us all to be patient and watch this young and hungry batch of players grow.
Whilst we have shown this immeasurable amount of patience you have presided over record breaking defeats, record breaking numbers of home defeats, humiliating semi final cup exits at the hands of 4th Division opposition in this case unforgivably over two legs, early cup exits against other lower league opposition, one of whom is enjoying a Wembley appearance this weekend. All this in the name of 'steady progress'. You even steadfastly refused to consider a recall of a proven England International striker that you unceremoniously dumped when you learned that your one success (Christian Benteke) would be out for the rest of the season.
Given that we are almost certain to end this season on a worse points total than last season and are poised to finish closer to relegation than ever (with the possible exception of one other Premier League season) you must accept by any measure this project has failed spectacularly. We are now in a worse position than when you started with not a lot of genuine hope for the medium term.
When faced with the stark facts in front of you then you must accept your time at the club is now at an end and you must do the decent thing and go now.
A very articulate piece.
Unfortunately I very much doubt that anyone from the club will read it.
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We have got to get one win! 37 will do it!
34 will not be enough!
We have to find it in the next three games!
He has to get back to basics! Stop changing the team the formation! Work on a system and stick with it!
I wouldn't hold your breath. It's plainly obvious he doesn't understand the basics. He can't help himself with tinkering with the formation. He's had near two seasons to work on a system yet we still look like a team that met for the first time 5 minutes before kick off.
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I don't actually blame Lambert. He's a small time Yes Man offered his shot at a big club, and would be insane to turn it down. It's Lerners fault. He drove our last great manager out of the club and replaced him with a succession of mediocrities and no-marks. If you want Villa to be anything like what we were, then it is Lerner who should be bundled out of the door
The problem is you can not bundle owners out of the door.
The first prerequisite for Lerner going is that someone has to be prepared to pay the going rate for the club. You can't change owners like managers, so we are stuck with him.
I don't agree with your suggestion that MON was a great manager for a nanosecond, but I do agree that Lerner's policy is the fundamental problem. This young and hungry thing is really bullshit, it's basically a "plan" they've hatched which conveniently tallies with being cheap. Pay low fees and wages for lower league players and you get a squad full of lower league players.
This is the worst Villa team and squad I can remember in decades and it is fundamentally traceable to the conceit that we can compete without buying good players - proven wrong every single season by other teams - and that if you just wait long enough, young players mature into really good ones.
They made that jump from big money players to cheap guff in one go. They're lucky we didn't go down last year or the year before. They'll probably be lucky again this season, but if this continues another year, we're going to go.
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Plus the fact I suspect he has lost the dressing room.
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I don't actually blame Lambert. He's a small time Yes Man offered his shot at a big club, and would be insane to turn it down. It's Lerners fault. He drove our last great manager out of the club and replaced him with a succession of mediocrities and no-marks. If you want Villa to be anything like what we were, then it is Lerner who should be bundled out of the door
Hello, Martin.
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I don't actually blame Lambert. He's a small time Yes Man offered his shot at a big club, and would be insane to turn it down. It's Lerners fault. He drove our last great manager out of the club and replaced him with a succession of mediocrities and no-marks. If you want Villa to be anything like what we were, then it is Lerner who should be bundled out of the door
The problem is you can not bundle owners out of the door.
The first prerequisite for Lerner going is that someone has to be prepared to pay the going rate for the club. You can't change owners like managers, so we are stuck with him.
I don't agree with your suggestion that MON was a great manager for a nanosecond, but I do agree that Lerner's policy is the fundamental problem. This young and hungry thing is really bullshit, it's basically a "plan" they've hatched which conveniently tallies with being cheap. Pay low fees and wages for lower league players and you get a squad full of lower league players.
This is the worst Villa team and squad I can remember in decades and it is fundamentally traceable to the conceit that we can compete without buying good players - proven wrong every single season by other teams - and that if you just wait long enough, young players mature into really good ones.
They made that jump from big money players to cheap guff in one go. They're lucky we didn't go down last year or the year before. They'll probably be lucky again this season, but if this continues another year, we're going to go.
Bloody hell I've been saying this for the last 4 years!
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I don't actually blame Lambert. He's a small time Yes Man offered his shot at a big club, and would be insane to turn it down. It's Lerners fault. He drove our last great manager out of the club and replaced him with a succession of mediocrities and no-marks. If you want Villa to be anything like what we were, then it is Lerner who should be bundled out of the door
The problem is you can not bundle owners out of the door.
The first prerequisite for Lerner going is that someone has to be prepared to pay the going rate for the club. You can't change owners like managers, so we are stuck with him.
I don't agree with your suggestion that MON was a great manager for a nanosecond, but I do agree that Lerner's policy is the fundamental problem. This young and hungry thing is really bullshit, it's basically a "plan" they've hatched which conveniently tallies with being cheap. Pay low fees and wages for lower league players and you get a squad full of lower league players.
This is the worst Villa team and squad I can remember in decades and it is fundamentally traceable to the conceit that we can compete without buying good players - proven wrong every single season by other teams - and that if you just wait long enough, young players mature into really good ones.
They made that jump from big money players to cheap guff in one go. They're lucky we didn't go down last year or the year before. They'll probably be lucky again this season, but if this continues another year, we're going to go.
Bloody hell I've been saying this for the last 4 years!
So give yourself yet another gold star.
You're far from the only person who has pointed out that we've assembled a squad full of mediocre guff.
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We can all laugh and joke about other managers, but (and how we all joked about Stoke and their route one bombardment) Pulis today had them up for it and playing it nicely around.
They looked well drilled, organised and to be honest we were flattered to lose by the one goal.
There was a banner unfurled in the away end I saw asking where the ambition has gone, and it does seem as though we are just happy too survive. It is so depressing.
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We have got to get one win! 37 will do it!
34 will not be enough!
We have to find it in the next three games!
He has to get back to basics! Stop changing the team the formation! Work on a system and stick with it!
I wouldn't hold your breath. It's plainly obvious he doesn't understand the basics. He can't help himself with tinkering with the formation. He's had near two seasons to work on a system yet we still look like a team that met for the first time 5 minutes before kick off.
That's the pisser for me.
We look like the kind of disjointed side hurriedly (horridly?) put together in one transfer window. But whereas some sides look like that early into the season, we've looked that way for the best part of two years. Impressive.
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Plus Paulie the stuffing of the side with cheap players makes it more likely that few if any of those cheap players will ever make the grade because they have nobody of any quality to learn from. Buying cheap accelerates inferiority it does not remedy it.
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Ground hog day. Shit performance number 25 of the season for us.
How many people predicted 1-0 Palace? A fair few i'd guess because forget this inconsistent malarkey, we aren't, we are consistently shit.
Lambert out. Again. He should have gone last January.
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I don't actually blame Lambert. He's a small time Yes Man offered his shot at a big club, and would be insane to turn it down. It's Lerners fault. He drove our last great manager out of the club and replaced him with a succession of mediocrities and no-marks. If you want Villa to be anything like what we were, then it is Lerner who should be bundled out of the door
The problem is you can not bundle owners out of the door.
The first prerequisite for Lerner going is that someone has to be prepared to pay the going rate for the club. You can't change owners like managers, so we are stuck with him.
I don't agree with your suggestion that MON was a great manager for a nanosecond, but I do agree that Lerner's policy is the fundamental problem. This young and hungry thing is really bullshit, it's basically a "plan" they've hatched which conveniently tallies with being cheap. Pay low fees and wages for lower league players and you get a squad full of lower league players.
This is the worst Villa team and squad I can remember in decades and it is fundamentally traceable to the conceit that we can compete without buying good players - proven wrong every single season by other teams - and that if you just wait long enough, young players mature into really good ones.
They made that jump from big money players to cheap guff in one go. They're lucky we didn't go down last year or the year before. They'll probably be lucky again this season, but if this continues another year, we're going to go.
Bloody hell I've been saying this for the last 4 years!
So give yourself yet another gold star.
You're far from the only person who has pointed out that we've assembled a squad full of mediocre guff.
The amount of discussions and arguments I've had with you over the same period and you've just gone and said the exact same thing I've been saying until I was blue in the face.
And by the way I don't want a bloody gold star or any kind of god damn reward, I just want a decent bloody Villa team. Stop taking things personally.
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Utter shite and I couldn't give a rats whether Lambert is there tomorrow or not. His comments are of a man that doesn't ave a clue and is devoid of answers or confidence.
His squad is dreadful.
Up to recently i was against sacking him as we needed some stability at the club. Stability like this we don't need.
Can't see us getting a point this season so we are a toss up for relegation and as a club we'd deserve it quite frankly.
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The stark fact is that at the minute the club is run by an accountant - Robin Russell. He is Lerner`s right hand man not the "call centre manager".
Its all about balancing the books presumably for Lerner to sell up - this could all potentially backfire if we drop this season.
Like a previous poster I concur that it is one of the worst squads for decades - even in the late 1960`s and early 1970`s the club was on its knees but we all had hope - only the Villa could get a Billionaire owner and screw it up big style.
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I don't actually blame Lambert. He's a small time Yes Man offered his shot at a big club, and would be insane to turn it down. It's Lerners fault. He drove our last great manager out of the club and replaced him with a succession of mediocrities and no-marks. If you want Villa to be anything like what we were, then it is Lerner who should be bundled out of the door
Great manager? Are you MON ?
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I don't actually blame Lambert. He's a small time Yes Man offered his shot at a big club, and would be insane to turn it down. It's Lerners fault. He drove our last great manager out of the club and replaced him with a succession of mediocrities and no-marks. If you want Villa to be anything like what we were, then it is Lerner who should be bundled out of the door
Great manager? Are you MON ?
In comparison to Lambert, he's great, exceptional, and I suppose I should also add...terrific.
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They should have used the round badge if they were trying to make a point by not using the new one.
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I don't actually blame Lambert. He's a small time Yes Man offered his shot at a big club, and would be insane to turn it down. It's Lerners fault. He drove our last great manager out of the club and replaced him with a succession of mediocrities and no-marks. If you want Villa to be anything like what we were, then it is Lerner who should be bundled out of the door
Great manager? Are you MON ?
I am worried about the Mon factor though because every team he leaves feckin nosedives down.
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They should have used the round badge if they were trying to make a point by not using the new one.
Exactly what I said about it.
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Plus the fact I suspect he has lost the dressing room.
To be fair Selhurst Park can be confusing to find your way around.
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They should have used the round badge if they were trying to make a point by not using the new one.
The ambition of the Ellis era....
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They should have used the round badge if they were trying to make a point by not using the new one.
The ambition of the Ellis era....
Wouldn't mind a bit of that now.
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Good news! I have fond cheap beer the services!
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Plus the fact I suspect he has lost the dressing room.
To be fair Selhurst Park can be confusing to find your way around.
So a dressing room full of shit players don't trust a shit manager.
How the fuck have we got ourselves into this mess.
Thank you Mr Lerner.
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Ground hog day. Shit performance number 25 of the season for us.
How many people predicted 1-0 Palace? A fair few i'd guess because forget this inconsistent malarkey, we aren't, we are consistently shit.
Lambert out. Again. He should have gone last January.
25th January 2013 - Millwall 2 Aston Villa 1... that was when he should have gone!
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The amount of discussions and arguments I've had with you over the same period and you've just gone and said the exact same thing I've been saying until I was blue in the face.
And by the way I don't want a bloody gold star or any kind of god damn reward, I just want a decent bloody Villa team. Stop taking things personally.
I'm not taking anything personally, I am beyond caring these days, but trust me, I've been pointing out that if you buy piss poor Championship players, that's where you end up, for almost two years, and quite possibly longer than that.
The difference between you and me is that I was prepared to give Lambert more time this year, as I thought he deserved it - just about - on the basis of last season. I still think he deserved it at Christmas this season.
The problem I have with him is, in as much as I can think of reasons he should be sacked, more than that, it's that I can't think of one single convincing reason why he should keep his job.
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Spot on. What I would give for some of that old time Villa courage.
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The amount of discussions and arguments I've had with you over the same period and you've just gone and said the exact same thing I've been saying until I was blue in the face.
And by the way I don't want a bloody gold star or any kind of god damn reward, I just want a decent bloody Villa team. Stop taking things personally.
I'm not taking anything personally, I am beyond caring these days, but trust me, I've been pointing out that if you buy piss poor Championship players, that's where you end up, for almost two years, and quite possibly longer than that.
The difference between you and me is that I was prepared to give Lambert more time this year, as I thought he deserved it - just about - on the basis of last season. I still think he deserved it at Christmas this season.
The problem I have with him is, in as much as I can think of reasons he should be sacked, more than that, it's that I can't think of one single convincing reason why he should keep his job.
This.
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Aye. Sadly we are at the stage where the few Lambert positives are now massively outweighed by the negatives.
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Aye. Sadly we are at the stage where the few Lambert positives are now massively outweighed by the negatives.
There are some positives??
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The amount of discussions and arguments I've had with you over the same period and you've just gone and said the exact same thing I've been saying until I was blue in the face.
And by the way I don't want a bloody gold star or any kind of god damn reward, I just want a decent bloody Villa team. Stop taking things personally.
I'm not taking anything personally, I am beyond caring these days, but trust me, I've been pointing out that if you buy piss poor Championship players, that's where you end up, for almost two years, and quite possibly longer than that.
The difference between you and me is that I was prepared to give Lambert more time this year, as I thought he deserved it - just about - on the basis of last season. I still think he deserved it at Christmas this season.
The problem I have with him is, in as much as I can think of reasons he should be sacked, more than that, it's that I can't think of one single convincing reason why he should keep his job.
Nothing to disagree with in this.
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I predicted earlier that the Palace match was the type of game we would win because when we look down and out we find a shock result, what the fuck do I know.
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The amount of discussions and arguments I've had with you over the same period and you've just gone and said the exact same thing I've been saying until I was blue in the face.
And by the way I don't want a bloody gold star or any kind of god damn reward, I just want a decent bloody Villa team. Stop taking things personally.
I'm not taking anything personally, I am beyond caring these days, but trust me, I've been pointing out that if you buy piss poor Championship players, that's where you end up, for almost two years, and quite possibly longer than that.
The difference between you and me is that I was prepared to give Lambert more time this year, as I thought he deserved it - just about - on the basis of last season. I still think he deserved it at Christmas this season.
The problem I have with him is, in as much as I can think of reasons he should be sacked, more than that, it's that I can't think of one single convincing reason why he should keep his job.
Nothing to disagree with in this.
Tell you what, this approach, the "what you do, you buy in lower league players, you blood some kids, and you give them time, they grow as a team, and it works" idea they've bought into, as well as being pathetically out of touch and based on what they *want* to happen rather than what is likely to happen (which I think is their main problem), it is actually quite arrogant.
Do they think they're so clued up that they've hit on an amazing cunning plan which nobody has tried before? Do they think they're operating on another level, somehow?
Has it occurred to them that, if it were even remotely viable, clubs would have been doing it for years?
I honestly think there's a certain arrogance in it.
They're absolutely clueless, living on another planet. We were astounded when they appointed McLeish - these are the people who thought there was a good chance that Alex Mcleish would last for three years here, so gave him a contract reflecting that. A three year contract for Alex McLeish.
An appointment that was believed in by four people in the entire world - Lerner, Faulkner, McLeish and a poster on here.
I also think they have a massive, massive delusion, in that they think that, if they just *want* something bad enough, it will happen. That scares me to death.
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I saw the first half. At half time, my one year old daughter locked me, the wife and four year old son out on the balcony. Just been 'released' by the fire brigade.
On the plus side, I missed the second half. Haven't worked up the courage to read the match report, but I've got a fair idea that words like toothless and inept will crop up.
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I predicted earlier that the Palace match was the type of game we would win because when we look down and out we find a shock result, what the fuck do I know.
I think we've had our quota of surprise results and lucky wins this season. It's something you can't really keep up. Sooner or later you need to win the games that on paper, you should expect to win. Games like Fulham, or Palace at home.
Unfortunately on paper today Palace looked like they'd beat us and in reality they did it.
That Palace should be favourites in a game against us says everything about this season and our side under Lambert. We're becoming small time and we're rapidly morphing into a championship side. There is only one inevitable outcome as such, unless we change things in the summer.
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I saw the first half. At half time, my one year old daughter locked me, the wife and four year old son out on the balcony. Just been 'released' by the fire brigade.
On the plus side, I missed the second half. Haven't worked up the courage to read the match report, but I've got a fair idea that words like toothless and inept will crop up.
I really need to get myself a daughter.
And a balcony.
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The amount of discussions and arguments I've had with you over the same period and you've just gone and said the exact same thing I've been saying until I was blue in the face.
And by the way I don't want a bloody gold star or any kind of god damn reward, I just want a decent bloody Villa team. Stop taking things personally.
I'm not taking anything personally, I am beyond caring these days, but trust me, I've been pointing out that if you buy piss poor Championship players, that's where you end up, for almost two years, and quite possibly longer than that.
The difference between you and me is that I was prepared to give Lambert more time this year, as I thought he deserved it - just about - on the basis of last season. I still think he deserved it at Christmas this season.
The problem I have with him is, in as much as I can think of reasons he should be sacked, more than that, it's that I can't think of one single convincing reason why he should keep his job.
Nothing to disagree with in this.
Tell you what, this approach, the "what you do, you buy in lower league players, you blood some kids, and you give them time, they grow as a team, and it works" idea they've bought into, as well as being pathetically out of touch and based on what they *want* to happen rather than what is likely to happen (which I think is their main problem), it is actually quite arrogant.
Do they think they're so clued up that they've hit on an amazing cunning plan which nobody has tried before? Do they think they're operating on another level, somehow?
Has it occurred to them that, if it were even remotely viable, clubs would have been doing it for years?
I honestly think there's a certain arrogance in it.
They're absolutely clueless, living on another planet. We were astounded when they appointed McLeish - these are the people who thought there was a good chance that Alex Mcleish would last for three years here, so gave him a contract reflecting that. A three year contract for Alex McLeish.
An appointment that was believed in by four people in the entire world - Lerner, Faulkner, McLeish and a poster on here.
I also think they have a massive, massive delusion, in that they think that, if they just *want* something bad enough, it will happen. That scares me to death.
I agree with pretty much all of this, but think most of it is down to naïveté as much as anything.
We are run by a recluse, and corporate 'yes man'.
The lack of a true football understanding in the upper echelons of the club has been a huge,huge failing.
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The amount of discussions and arguments I've had with you over the same period and you've just gone and said the exact same thing I've been saying until I was blue in the face.
And by the way I don't want a bloody gold star or any kind of god damn reward, I just want a decent bloody Villa team. Stop taking things personally.
I'm not taking anything personally, I am beyond caring these days, but trust me, I've been pointing out that if you buy piss poor Championship players, that's where you end up, for almost two years, and quite possibly longer than that.
The difference between you and me is that I was prepared to give Lambert more time this year, as I thought he deserved it - just about - on the basis of last season. I still think he deserved it at Christmas this season.
The problem I have with him is, in as much as I can think of reasons he should be sacked, more than that, it's that I can't think of one single convincing reason why he should keep his job.
Nothing to disagree with in this.
Tell you what, this approach, the "what you do, you buy in lower league players, you blood some kids, and you give them time, they grow as a team, and it works" idea they've bought into, as well as being pathetically out of touch and based on what they *want* to happen rather than what is likely to happen (which I think is their main problem), it is actually quite arrogant.
Do they think they're so clued up that they've hit on an amazing cunning plan which nobody has tried before? Do they think they're operating on another level, somehow?
Has it occurred to them that, if it were even remotely viable, clubs would have been doing it for years?
I honestly think there's a certain arrogance in it.
They're absolutely clueless, living on another planet. We were astounded when they appointed McLeish - these are the people who thought there was a good chance that Alex Mcleish would last for three years here, so gave him a contract reflecting that. A three year contract for Alex McLeish.
An appointment that was believed in by four people in the entire world - Lerner, Faulkner, McLeish and a poster on here.
I also think they have a massive, massive delusion, in that they think that, if they just *want* something bad enough, it will happen. That scares me to death.
Basically Lerner lost interest and decided to cutback completely across the board and try and dress it up fool the fans into thinking there was a Dortmund kind of genius plan going on behind it.
Lots of fans fell for it, lots of fans didn't, but one thing's for sure EVERYONE has wised up to it now.
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I also think he has lost the dressing room. I think players have noted the way he and his staff have dealt with some of their colleagues and have decided, consciously or subconsciously, as individuals or as a group, not to give too much of a fuck on a Saturday afternoon.
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The most powerful word in that post Paulie is "arrogance". It is supremely arrogant to assume that everybody else in football cannot see what you can see. I don't like to pick on any particular player but to buy a young cheap player believing that nobody else has looked at him and seen his shortcomings is arrogant. That is why he is cheap. That is why he will accept low wages. It is the manifestation of the self deception driven by the mind set of "I think it is so, so it must be so", or as you put it, I want it to be so, so it will be so.
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I must admit I just get the away results at 4.55, as one massive kick in the nuts is better than a series of bitter pills over 90 mins.The hope and expectation of getting even a draw home or away has gone and we are left at looking at the other teams at the bottom who will all get a win or two you can bet for sure.I said last week we should revolt against Lerner's long distance dictatorship as at least we as fans could hold our heads up and show some fight for our club.
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One bright spot, as pissed off I am with how shit we are, at least I can rely on the Bitters to amuse me. 3-0 up and still don't win.
I was so depressed at FT at Selhurst Park - even below the Baggies. I got out a rope to hang myself - but couldn't tie the knot as was giggling too much when I saw Spuds had equalised.
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Palace aren't a very good side but they're very well drilled in what they do. I think Pulis was happy to let us have the ball and try and make something happen, knowing it's not our strong suit.
That's depressing. How do you beat the Villa? You give them the ball.
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I'm so numbed by the Villa I have BGT on the telly as it's too much effort to find the remote. It really is that bad.
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I saw the first half. At half time, my one year old daughter locked me, the wife and four year old son out on the balcony. Just been 'released' by the fire brigade.
On the plus side, I missed the second half. Haven't worked up the courage to read the match report, but I've got a fair idea that words like toothless and inept will crop up.
I really need to get myself a daughter.
And a balcony.
I've asked the fire brigade not to answer the phone until 9pm, at the earliest, next Saturday.
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There was a lot of vitriol aimed at Lambert in the last 10 minutes, was that his Bolton?
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The amount of discussions and arguments I've had with you over the same period and you've just gone and said the exact same thing I've been saying until I was blue in the face.
And by the way I don't want a bloody gold star or any kind of god damn reward, I just want a decent bloody Villa team. Stop taking things personally.
I'm not taking anything personally, I am beyond caring these days, but trust me, I've been pointing out that if you buy piss poor Championship players, that's where you end up, for almost two years, and quite possibly longer than that.
The difference between you and me is that I was prepared to give Lambert more time this year, as I thought he deserved it - just about - on the basis of last season. I still think he deserved it at Christmas this season.
The problem I have with him is, in as much as I can think of reasons he should be sacked, more than that, it's that I can't think of one single convincing reason why he should keep his job.
This.
This again.
I too was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt for another season to see how it panned out. I was seriously concerned after another dismal December, and I honestly think he should have got the chop after the FA cup exit.
Since then I've pretty much been in fingers crossed mode, and it's just getting worse.
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There was a lot of vitriol aimed at Lambert in the last 10 minutes, was that his Bolton?
He's lucky, because Bolton was at home and the sheer mass of dislike focusing on McLeish was unavoidable for the cameras and the media. As this was an away game it's just a 'pocket of unrest'. Play badly next week, though, and it's all over.
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I saw the first half. At half time, my one year old daughter locked me, the wife and four year old son out on the balcony. Just been 'released' by the fire brigade.
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Palace aren't a very good side but they're very well drilled in what they do. I think Pulis was happy to let us have the ball and try and make something happen, knowing it's not our strong suit.
That's depressing. How do you beat the Villa? You give them the ball.
Yes...sadly.
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There was a lot of vitriol aimed at Lambert in the last 10 minutes, was that his Bolton?
I thought Fulham was his Bolton. Or possibly Stoke was his Bolton. But Palace, if he hasn't already had his Bolton, should be his Bolton.
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Enough now, how many chances are we going to give him
We're a laughing stock. Thought we were safe after Chelsea but how wrong can you be eh!
Lambert accepts this dross as acceptable, he will take us down further and further and will walk away with a shrug of the shoulders whilst we'll be in pieces.
For the good of Aston Villa, pls go Lambert.
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At the rate we're going Bolton will be his Bolton.
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It worries me that he thinks we are not involved with the relegation battle. Someone please sack him.
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only saw last 15 mins but we played pretty well near the end. Created at least two great chances and both were missed by Holt and Weimann. We didnt have the heart to get a point against a woeful side. They looked more likely to score again with that clown Nathan Baker at the back.
When I saw the team selection I suspected the worst Im afraid. not to even pick up a point against Fulham and Palace is scary. We dont look like scoring a goal again not to mind getting a point.
Even the sycophants on the Villa board wont be able to extend Lambert's contract after this run in. He is a dead man walking.
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I just watched his interview on the BBC sport site.
To me, he looked absolutely petrified.
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I'm so numbed by the Villa I have BGT on the telly as it's too much effort to find the remote. It really is that bad.
Mind you those dancers with the outfits with lights on were good.
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If we manage to get relegated from here we will absolutely deserve it. I haven't felt this low since we lost to Wigan last season.
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This match went exactly as I expected, I said 1 nil Palace in the pre match thread and that they'd sit deep and nick a goal near the end. Pulis has an unbelievable league record against us since he's been a premier league manager, he knows exactly how to play us.
I seriously can't see us winning another game this season. Best bet looks to be Hull at home as they might put a reserve team out if they reach the cup final but Shane Long and Jelavic both can't play in the final so them as a front two will cause our defence problem. Steve Bruce also has a very good record as a manager at VP.
Luckily I think we'll scramble two draws from the run in to stay up but 36 points is a wretched tally.
If this is what we're like post Benteke we need to get rid of Lambert as I don't see how he can get enough creativity in the team for next season to compenstate for the loss. We barely created a chance at 0-0 today.
Seems as if teams at home are now wising up to our counter attacking tactics and sitting deep in home games aswell, we've barely scored away from home recently.
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I just watched his interview on the BBC sport site.
To me, he looked absolutely petrified.
He bloody well should.
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Why is this poor excuse for a poor man's poor manager still here?
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Here we are again. another manager on the precipice. The players are sleepwalking to a potential disaster. Our run in isn't the worst, but unless we can find some points it's going to be darn close. It's the worst time of the season for our meagre form to collapse. I honestly thought that last season was going to a learning curve for our players and we would move on this season. Shocking crap from our manager and players this season. nothing learned, no advance. Injuries have not helped, but the players brought in are either shite or are taking a while to settle. Squad is not good enough, the team is not good enough. Lambert needs to be backed or sacked this summer. We will go down if we continue taking gambles on players with possible potential. You need to blend potential with experienced players for it to work. Gabby might need to find a new club, he has been stale for a few seasons now.
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Seems as if teams at home are now wising up to our counter attacking tactics and sitting deep in home games aswell, we've barely scored away from home recently.
I have been saying precisely that since the Hull game.
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Here we are again. another manager on the precipice. The players are sleepwalking to a potential disaster. Our run in isn't the worst, but unless we can find some points it's going to be darn close. It's the worst time of the season our meagre form to collapse. I honestly thought that last season was going to a learning curve for our players and we would move on this season. Shocking crap from our manager and players this season. nothing learned, no advance. Injuries have not helped, but the players brought in are either shite or are taking a while to settle. Squad is not good enough, the team is not good enough. Lambert needs to be backed or sacked this summer. We will go down if we continue taking gambles on players with possible potential. You need to blend potential with experienced players for it to work. Gabby might need to find a new club, he has been stale for a few seasons now.
Apart from the bit about Gabby, you are spot on. IF we survive this season we will be contenders for the drop in 2015 if things stay as they are.
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I know they can't afford not to but do you think they can actually afford to sack another manager and his entourage it will again cost millions they don't appear to have. I can't think of any other reasons why he wouldn't have gone before now.
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I know they can't afford not to but do you think they can actually afford to sack another manager and his entourage it will again cost millions they don't appear to have. I can't think of any other reasons why he wouldn't have gone before now.
If they are going to sack then I suppose with 1 year left (for all of them i'd assume) is the time to do it financial wise.
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I know they can't afford not to but do you think they can actually afford to sack another manager and his entourage it will again cost millions they don't appear to have. I can't think of any other reasons why he wouldn't have gone before now.
He's only got a year left on his deal presently so it won't cost as much as McLeish or Houllier you'd imagine.
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It's simple to play against Villa, just give them the ball they are clueless.
That's why we've beaten teams like Arsenal, Man City Southampton and Chelsea who are much beter than us and have a lot of the ball. That's why Fulham and Crystal Palace have done the double over us and why we've been outplayed on our own ground b Sheffield United.
Soak up the pressure and get a lucky break: Plans A-Z.
Lambert is a very poor coach and I for one was saying it all last season like a few of us on here.
His time is finally up, thank god.
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I know they can't afford not to but do you think they can actually afford to sack another manager and his entourage it will again cost millions they don't appear to have. I can't think of any other reasons why he wouldn't have gone before now.
bang on
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The shocking thing about today was that the game went exactly as we predicted it would on the way to the match. Absolute fucking rubbish.
And having to stand and watch Palace fans laughing at us.....
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The shocking thing about today was that the game went exactly as we predicted it would on the way to the match. Absolute fucking rubbish.
And having to stand and watch Palace fans laughing at us.....
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I thought I would share my experience of today's trip to Selhurst park. This was my third away match of the season, I live in London, so previous games were at the Emirates and Stamford bridge, and after those games I never thought we would be in this predicament. I was sat with a couple of palace supporting friends in the Arthur Wait stand, about a block away from the Villa fans. As I took my seat I felt optimistic because all I could hear were the Villa, and even though I was nervous about the result, I was determined to enjoy the game.
Then something changed. Firstly a few villa fans disrupted the minutes silence. Then when the football started, Villa fans started to goad the palace fans, it all kicked off, and I saw a few young kids being led out of the ground by their parents. It was all very pathetic and embarrassing, I would add that a few palace fans were equally culpable, but even so I'm a villa fan so felt somewhat ashamed.
Equally depressing was the performance on the pitch, devoid of passion and ideas. A thoroughly awful Saturday. I left disappointed by the team I support and (I hate to admit it) the fans that previously would have made me proud to be a part of.
We are a club heading for the Championship, and unless Lerner sells up, it could get worse.
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Do you know what? Fuck it. if it's it's not this season it's next. That wolf keeps knocking and we can't keep doing this forever.
We are destined for a spell in the Championship and the sooner the better as far as I'm concerned.
The club needs an enema.
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The club might need relegation to wake it up. We are truly abysmal.
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That wasn't disgraceful. This is the norm. My beloved team reduced to a train wreck by a custodian who has lost interest. A manager who is out of his depth at a club of our size and stature. Clearly he has lost the dressing room after losing the fans.
Southampton at home needs to have a real vocal noise from us to get behind these out of form players. If the players fail us and we roll over to a record 11th home defeat then I hope the rage from the stands descends upon the bench and the full time whistle at Spuds brings an end to not only a disgraceful season but Paul Lambert's atrocious reign.
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We wouldn't come back from relegation in about a decade. We'd get fucking smashed weekly with this bottleless set of 'footballers' with no stomach for a fight. So, same as now I suppose, but well below our club's station.
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Probably the only thing surprising me tonight is that this thread hasn't gone into meltdown.
Shows how numb many have become I suppose...
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If we manage to get relegated from here we will absolutely deserve it. I haven't felt this low since we lost to Wigan last season.
I am thoroughly depressed tonight but with a raging temper. The family members have had some of it but I managed to shed most of it on a bus driver who looked a bit like Lambert as I went to pick up my daughter. He blew his horn for me to move on when lights turned green. Did he F in not realise the state I was in?
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It surprises me too WW. By the laws of nature when something bad happens, the more it happens the more angry it should make you. TSM was told in no uncertain terms that his time was up and he went. For some reason, perhaps guilt, perhaps apathy everybody seems to be holding back from expressing the actual level of our anger and disgust. I can't explain.
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Just as I and and quite a few others predicted sadly,a 1-0 defeat . How this clueless idiot of a manager is still in charge is beyond me ,it really is. He seems bleeding blind to the obvious . He plays a big, fat and slow centre forward who's main asset is his heading. What does he do, he leaves Albrighton out, just who was supposed to deliver any crosses to Holt ?
As someone on here said earlier,this manager ranks alongside Billy McNeil as the worst manager i have seen since watching Villa in the early sixties.
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Well my lad has now seen 4 games, 4 defeats and no Villa goals vs 12 shipped. He didn't fancy wearing the scarf home.
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Probably the only thing surprising me tonight is that this thread hasn't gone into meltdown.
Shows how numb many have become I suppose...
Only speaking for myself but it has finally sunk in the kind of club we now are. We can look at the faded photographs all we like but the truth is we are headed to the same heap as the likes of Nottingham Forest, Leeds and Sheffield United.
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Well my lad has now seen 4 games, 4 defeats and no Villa goals vs 12 shipped. He didn't fancy wearing the scarf home.
That's what it was like when were a nipper. Fair brings a tear to my eye.
At least your lad is going home to Haywards Heath and not Northfield.
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It surprises me too WW. By the laws of nature when something bad happens, the more it happens the more angry it should make you. TSM was told in no uncertain terms that his time was up and he went. For some reason, perhaps guilt, perhaps apathy everybody seems to be holding back from expressing the actual level of our anger and disgust. I can't explain.
There have been a few chants of "Lambert out" recently, but today at Palace impatience boiled over into anger and for the first time I heard a prolonged chant of "F*ck off Lambert." If we lose next week at home he (and Lerner if he's listening) will be left in no doubt as to the fans' feelings. It'll be McLeish's Bolton moment all over again
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I had to go home to Bordesley Green and walk past the sty.
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I hope we get relegated. I really do.
Hear me out.
If we don't, Lambert will be manager next season, no doubt about it and I can't watch and support another season if this shite. I just can't.
If Lambert's in charge next year nothing will change. If we don't get relegated he will be in charge next year. What an effin quandary.
Our future is bleak.
Rotten from top to bottom.
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I hope we get relegated. I really do.
Hear me out.
If we don't, Lambert will be manager next season, no doubt about it and I can't watch and support another season if this shite. I just can't.
If Lambert's in charge next year nothing will change. If we don't get relegated he will be in charge next year. What an effin quandary.
Our future is bleak.
Rotten from top to bottom.
I'm not entirely sure he would be sacked even if we are relegated.
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Nothing good comes from relegation. Nothing.
We will get a worse manager (good ones do not want to manage in the Championship)
Worse players (see above)
Less investment (you dont need to spend 20 million a year in the Championship)
Less revenues (less people want to go and watch games in the Championship)
Less likely buyers.
The only positive is Faulkner would lose his pompous little FA position he is always blathering about.
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I hope we get relegated. I really do.
I should be swearing at you now but somehow I can't.
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I hope we get relegated. I really do.
Hear me out.
If we don't, Lambert will be manager next season, no doubt about it and I can't watch and support another season if this shite. I just can't.
If Lambert's in charge next year nothing will change. If we don't get relegated he will be in charge next year. What an effin quandary.
Our future is bleak.
Rotten from top to bottom.
Imagine a worse scenario - we get relegated (a distinct possibility) but Lambert stays in charge (not impossible given Lerner's lack of interest).
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It has gone beyond a joke now, the owner, manager and players are making us a bloody laughing stock. I wonder where the next goal is going to come from?
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I hope we get relegated. I really do.
I should be swearing at you now but somehow I can't.
Relegation is really going to do us good though isnt it?
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I'm not a Lambert fan, I'm a Villa fan. Personally I'd rather Lambert as manager in the Premier League - that we helped form - than someone else in the second tier of English football. Villa do not belong in the second tier of English football.
He'll get sacked or walk if this carries on. At least we can say that Lerner knew when McLeish's time was up and pulled the trigger. If it's just not working he probably will do the same.
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That is if he ever hears about Villa's plight from his skyscraper in some American city.
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The most powerful word in that post Paulie is "arrogance". It is supremely arrogant to assume that everybody else in football cannot see what you can see. I don't like to pick on any particular player but to buy a young cheap player believing that nobody else has looked at him and seen his shortcomings is arrogant. That is why he is cheap. That is why he will accept low wages. It is the manifestation of the self deception driven by the mind set of "I think it is so, so it must be so", or as you put it, I want it to be so, so it will be so.
I don't see it quite like that, Brian. There's only a couple of things missing from the 'plan' that's failed to make it work. One or two experienced players would no doubt have improved the balance and saved the kids (or as you call them "cheap players") from the responsibilities they've had to endure week in, week out. Too many, too young and all at the same time was never going to work.
The other factor and the most important one is the need for a manager that can develop these players. If I was to compile a list of managers that have the capacity to bring through young players, develop them and still get the club progressing up the table, Lambert's name would be near the bottom, just below 'Pulis'.
Lambert may have his strengths but organisation, tactics and younth development are certainly not them. If we wanted to buy cheap and develop we were always going to need an expert or at least somebody with far more experience than Lambert. It's little surprise we find ourselves where we are, it's been obvious for so long Lambert's out of his depth and still learning his trade.
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It has gone beyond a joke now, the owner, manager and players are making us a bloody laughing stock. I wonder where the next goal is going to come from?
Yes a laughing stock. A great club reduced to common trash.
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I get what you are saying, but please never, ever wish relegation on our club, not even to serve a purpose.
The only one who would suffer would be us ( not that we are not already).
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I get what you are saying, but please never, ever wish relegation on our club, not even to serve a purpose.
The only one who would suffer would be us ( not that we are not already).
But if we don't it will be another year of this rubbish.
Relegation for the greater good. Or something like that.
I truly, strongly, totally, wholly believe that we will get relegated within two years if the current regime is still in charge. Nailed on. You can't keep flirting with it.
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Lambert and Lerner need to fuck off as far and as quickly as possible. And when they get there, fuck off a some more.
A whole change of the club from top to bottom is needed.
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Lambert and Lerner need to fuck off as far and as quickly as possible. And when they get there, fuck off a some more.
A whole change of the club from top to bottom is needed.
How can you be so ungrateful to Lerner? He renovated the Holte pub you know!
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Anyone who wishes relegation on us obviously hasn't experienced the sheer shitness of it. They also must want the club to enter a long period of financial ruin and no one giving a blind fcuk about us for a few years.
How about something novel like getting a manager who has a clue tacticalły and can build a half decent Premier League side we can at least feel proud of again.
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We don't want relegation, we need to stay up and Randy needs to take stock and shake things up. I don't believe Lambert will be here next season after the run of results we've had since beating Chelsea. It's nuts, we was pretty damn safe in my head after that result. What a right royal cock up its been.
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I know they can't afford not to but do you think they can actually afford to sack another manager and his entourage it will again cost millions they don't appear to have. I can't think of any other reasons why he wouldn't have gone before now.
bang on
That is one part - the other part is that the Marketing Credit Card Company Board members will have to pick another manager. This would be their 5th permanent manager in less than 4 years. Not to mention the 2 stand ins due timing and illness.
Therefore they are probably shit scared that they may have to do that bearing in their recruitment record.
But it's ok because we have made progress according to Lambert and Faulkner.
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For all the doom and gloom we should remember that there is a relatively easy fix for our current plight.
Remember how much better we looked with Jermaine Jenas in our midfield?
We need to bullshit our way through this season-hoping that there really are 3 worse teams than us!
then we need to invest in experienced players for the spine of the team-midfield a priority then attack then defence,this will involve a bit of investment(but not a mental 'spursesque' splurge)-oh and a new manager
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My concern is that I struggle to think of a manager I want at the Villa who would come.
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Pathetic.
Lambert has to go.
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It has gone beyond a joke now, the owner, manager and players are making us a bloody laughing stock. I wonder where the next goal is going to come from?
Yes a laughing stock. A great club reduced to common trash.
I started watching the club in the old third division and we were a class act, even though we didnt get promoted the first year. We were a proper club, now we are a f**king joke, I feel even less motivated to watch than I did in Deadly's last days
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For all the doom and gloom we should remember that there is a relatively easy fix for our current plight.
Remember how much better we looked with Jermaine Jenas in our midfield?
We need to bullshit our way through this season-hoping that there really are 3 worse teams than us!
then we need to invest in experienced players for the spine of the team-midfield a priority then attack then defence,this will involve a bit of investment(but not a mental 'spursesque' splurge)-oh and a new manager
Experienced players like Jenas will be the aim
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Nothing good comes from relegation. Nothing.
We will get a worse manager (good ones do not want to manage in the Championship)
Worse players (see above)
Less investment (you dont need to spend 20 million a year in the Championship)
Less revenues (less people want to go and watch games in the Championship)
Less likely buyers.
The only positive is Faulkner would lose his pompous little FA position he is always blathering about.
There will be no Graham Taylor to bring us back this time. There will be Owen Coyle or Simon Grayson or Sean O'Driscoll or Chris Hughton. Or Mick McCarthy if we are really lucky.
Worse still there will be Appy Arry when he leaves QPR because they didn't give him enough money for players.
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there is no redeeming feature to being relegated. No Villa fan should EVER want relegation.
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I think anyone thinking relegation would help things is assuming we'd bounce straight back.
I am far from convinced that'd be the case. Most of this squad isn't good enough to get out of that league.
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there is no redeeming feature to being relegated. No Villa fan should EVER want relegation.
This.
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there is no redeeming feature to being relegated. No Villa fan should EVER want relegation.
We can't beat league one or two teams with the squad we have so I hate to think how it would be with a weaker squad post relegation.
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Did someone mention Mick McCarthy?
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My concern is that I struggle to think of a manager I want at the Villa who would come.
Yep. Both Martinez and OGS turned us down for (probably) the same reasons.
Until Lerner comes to his senses or sells up more managers will turn us down.
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I'm not so sure.
A point at Hull will do it.
Trouble is..........we got that point on the first weekend of last October.
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My concern is that I struggle to think of a manager I want at the Villa who would come.
Yep. Both Martinez and OGS turned us down for (probably) the same reasons.
Until Lerner comes to his senses or sells up more managers will turn us down.
And don't forget Benitez before those.
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Well my lad has now seen 4 games, 4 defeats and no Villa goals vs 12 shipped. He didn't fancy wearing the scarf home.
That's what it was like when were a nipper. Fair brings a tear to my eye.
At least your lad is going home to Haywards Heath and not Northfield.
Indeed, in a day of few positives we were home by 6.
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My concern is that I struggle to think of a manager I want at the Villa who would come.
Yep. Both Martinez and OGS turned us down for (probably) the same reasons.
Until Lerner comes to his senses or sells up more managers will turn us down.
OGS had pressure put on him by the bloke who owns Molde.
Martinez wasn't even interviewed as he felt he still owed Wigan.
We may not be the most attractive proposition right now but we are still Aston Villa and plenty of managers would want the job.
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My concern is that I struggle to think of a manager I want at the Villa who would come.
Yep. Both Martinez and OGS turned us down for (probably) the same reasons.
Until Lerner comes to his senses or sells up more managers will turn us down.
OGS had pressure put on him by the bloke who owns Molde.
Martinez wasn't even interviewed as he felt he still owed Wigan.
We may not be the most attractive proposition right now but we are still Aston Villa and plenty of managers would want the job.
Agree - but I doubt either of those 2 regret their decision.
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Not long got back. The whole thing was so bloody predictable and once again you could see their goal coming. I think everyone of us who was there knew that he needed to bring a sub on too change it during the second half. I said to my mates 'he'll be quick enough making a change if we go 1 down' and lo and behold he did.
The man has got no tactical nous whatsoever. The crowd turned on him today and I didn't have a great deal of sympathy for him.
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It still took 5 mins after they scored before he made a change. Even our substitutions are slow.
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Our substitutions are all reactive not proactive and when the bench is somewhat limited being reactive is all too often too little too late.
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Just watching Cardiff on motd. It reminded me of our away game there a few weeks back. You know the one where weimann had that shot saved incredibly in the last minute and gabby thought it was funny as usual. Just hope that doesn't come back to bite us.
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It still took 5 mins after they scored before he made a change. Even our substitutions are slow.
In fairness the ball didn't go out of play for a while.
Having said that, taking Clark off instead of KEA would have made more sense.
Just three hours from the car park in Croydon to home. So at least that bit of the day went ok.
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Another example is that home game recently (they've all blended into one mush so can't remember which) where we were down to 10 men for yonks because we fannied about with a sub.
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We have 3 massive games in which we should be able to win and make us safe, but I'm not confident we will. I'm still struggling with the fact we're in a relegation battle again. A few weeks back I was honestly thinking we've done enough now and we can start to enjoy playing football without the pressure and we would see a run like the end of last season.
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It still took 5 mins after they scored before he made a change. Even our substitutions are slow.
Yep. Because of what I said to the lads, after they scored I watched Lambert. He got up, clapped his hands like he does, sat back down for about a minute, then got back up and called Albrighton back who by then had been warming up for about 10 minutes. Even then he didn't bring him and Weimann on for about another 5/6 minutes afterwards. Much of that time was spent by one of our coaches showing formations to Albrighton in a book instead of saying to him 'get out wide and put the ball into the box'.
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Just in, via a few pubs and a curry. In short, we were second best against a team who offered nothing. The manager has somehow got us into a tailspin that, if we survive or not, indicates that he's list his influence and must go in the summer, regardless. Week after week we see this shit and nothing changes. Time to go.
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Two things from motd. Lamberts interview just smacked of I haven't got a clue what to do about this. Second I can't believe they are barely mentioning us as relegation candidates despite four defeats in a row 3 goals for 11 against - basically freefall.
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Lambert must watch a different game to most of us if he thinks that was a close game. By the way,anyone else notice for the second week running Westwood gave the ball away for the winning goal .Same mistakes week after week
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Two things from motd. Lamberts interview just smacked of I haven't got a clue what to do about this. Second I can't believe they are barely mentioning us as relegation candidates despite four defeats in a row 3 goals for 11 against - basically freefall.
We don't register on anyones conscious at the moment, we and our football are that insignificant.
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I hope we get relegated. I really do.
Hear me out.
If we don't, Lambert will be manager next season, no doubt about it and I can't watch and support another season if this shite. I just can't.
If Lambert's in charge next year nothing will change. If we don't get relegated he will be in charge next year. What an effin quandary.
Our future is bleak.
Rotten from top to bottom.
Never. Championship teams would still do us but I reckon we'd improve slightly by winning ratio of 1 in 3.
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Our substitutions are all reactive not proactive and when the bench is somewhat limited being reactive is all too often too little too late.
I think that's an important point.
Lambert reminds me way too much of O'Neill in that sense, in that he never really seems to make tactical changes which change the way a game is going, pretty much never. It is always in reaction to something happening, and almost always he takes too long to do it.
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Another example is that home game recently (they've all blended into one mush so can't remember which) where we were down to 10 men for yonks because we fannied about with a sub.
Holt also clearly can't last 90 minutes. In fact he looked done over in the first half. He also ended up on the ground with a touch of cramp in the second half. Can't remember what time, about 60-70 mins. He should have come off. From then on the guy looked all but gone. Putting aside arguments as to whether he should have been signed in the first place, it has to be said that Holt should have come off today. He does work hard to be fair to him, but the legs have gone and he's ridiculously slow.
Again though, this is Lamberts failure to address issues that need addressing. Once again he made questionable subs today. The choices and the timing.
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Abject - very little fight today apart from the Villa fan who was escorted off by 5 stewards.
It all started going wrong when some of our support were singing during the Hillsborough silence.
Just our fans who were behind the stand and wouldn't have been aware the silence had started, as it was at West Ham in November, so not an issue.
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My concern is that I struggle to think of a manager I want at the Villa who would come.
About seven hours after the game I have finally summoned up the strength to come on here. Damon's post seems as good a place to start. I totally share his concern. But on the other hand what have we got to lose now? I have defended Lambert but it looks like he will beat both TSM two seasons back and himself last year in a low points contest. I have defended Lerner by pointing out that the Spurs owner for example never attends. But Joe Lewis has never attended. Lerner did and now doesn't so don't tell me he hasn't lost interest. Apparently it was due to his marriage break up and his son's schooling. Does that really stop a bloke with a private jet from popping over every month or two? We may still go down. If we don't we will go down next year. I would actually trust Lambert with the summer transfer budget to buy three decent players. But I wouldn't trust his training and tactics once he bought them. The media aren't stupid and I have heard both the BBC and SKY point out more than once today that Hughton was sacked with a better record as Norwich manager than Lambert has as Villa manager. The Beeb also pointed out every team below us have changed their manager. Newcastle fans are already chanting for Pardew's head and where are they compared to us. I think it will kick off at Villa Park next week. If we lose I don't think the fans will drift away. I think they will show their feelings.
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Just seen MOTD . Im still depressed .
Lambert's interview . What planet is he on . Dead man walking .
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For the first time this season I deliberately avoided watching MOTD.
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For the first time this season I deliberately avoided watching MOTD.
I watched it to see the handball Palace were claiming and the stripeyfilth blow their three goal lead.
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I can't imagine Lambert will be manager beyond the summer but I fear more Lerner being owner beyond that. I can't trust his ability to appoint and shudder to think the constrictions a new manager will operate under. The malaise comes from the top down and it's infected the club. I genuinely feel sorry for Lambert but he's not shown himself to be a strong decision maker in.matches, today was typical. An average player of the average hand he was dealt.
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Maybe I'll watch it on my phone and just watch the Bitter highlights to cheer me up a bit.
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I can't imagine Lambert will be manager beyond the smatches, t I fear more Lerner being owner beyond that. I can't trust his ability to appoint and shudder to think the constrictions a new manager will operate under. The malaise comes from the top down and it's infected the club. I genuinely feel sorry for Lambert but he's not shown himself to be a strong decision maker in.matches, today was typical. An average player of the average hand he was dealt.
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I can't imagine Lambert will be manager beyond the summer but I fear more Lerner being owner beyond that. I can't trust his ability to appoint and shudder to think the constrictions a new manager will operate under. The malaise comes from the top down and it's infected the club. I genuinely feel sorry for Lambert but he's not shown himself to be a strong decision maker in.matches, today was typical. An average player of the average hand he was dealt.
I agree.
Aston Villa F.C. reek, and have done for four or more years.
Lerner out. Lambert out.
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Painfully predictable as many of us posted in the pre-match thread. How far we have fallen that both Fulham and Palace have done the double over us but few of us are surprised. Why oh why did he not change it early in the 2nd half? Holt and Gabby were ineffective and it was crying out for some width/pace. Albrighton did more in 10mins than either of them did. What has happened to Gabby? He looks disinterested, appears to be carrying timber and is miles off the pace - always falling over and looking at the ref for a decision that he will never get. I actually feel for Delph and Westwood as I feel they can pick out a pass but they look up and the strikers are not making intelligent runs nor is there a wideman to hit. Hence pass it back again. I am numb from watching this turgid shite week in week out. I will always love Villa and this is REALLY hard to stomach.
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I saw the first half. At half time, my one year old daughter locked me, the wife and four year old son out on the balcony. Just been 'released' by the fire brigade.
On the plus side, I missed the second half. Haven't worked up the courage to read the match report, but I've got a fair idea that words like toothless and inept will crop up.
I really need to get myself a daughter.
And a balcony.
Love this site - even when everything is falling in a heap, something crops u to make you laugh until you cry :-)
Timbert - the tinpot entrepreneur in me sees a fantastic opportunity here - you could charge for your daughters services to routinely go to fellow Lions supporters houses, every time Lamberts superheroes put on a show, - and for a fee, get her to lock us all out of our respective houses - i'd pay a kings ransom for that service just now, only with a slight change in the methodology - you would need to bring her around before kick off to work her magic - then we wouldn't be subjected to even 45 mins of this garbage.
UTV !!
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Haven't had chance to post before now so here are my thoughts without reading the previous.
On the train out to the ground I realised just quite how far we had fallen as Palace fans took the piss out of our once great club as they clearly looked forward to another three points. Not Chelsea, arsenal, city or United but Crystal fucking Palace! Of course the best answer would be for Villa to give them a footballing lesson but it soon became clear that wasn't going to happen. We did keep possession fairly well first half starving them -and us - of any real chances.
At half time though for the second week running the opposition manager saw Villa were there for the taking and with one or tweaks actively urged his team forward. The pressure was building and the need to do something to stem this was evident to all 3000 travelling Villa fans. Sadly not to our illustrious manager no not even after we had survived (correctly) a penalty appeal as result of that growing tide. No changes and surprise surprise who should score against us but the player who always has done well against Villa in recent seasons.
In a stadium which has to be the biggest shithole since Portsmouth went down we were spineless and rudderless and got turned over by the mighty Crystal Palace. I have no doubt that at the moment this team is by some way the worst in the division. Every other seems determined to still fight and earn unexpected results whilst we act like a charitable organisation handing out points to the poor and needy. I just hope we can somehow find those extra 3/4 which will keep us safe and that the sale of the club which was so heavily rumoured yesterday can happen. After that we go again but hopefully without Lerner and Lambert.
Beyond fury lets just finish this and go
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Painfully predictable as many of us posted in the pre-match thread. How far we have fallen that both Fulham and Palace have done the double over us but few of us are surprised. Why oh why did he not change it early in the 2nd half? Holt and Gabby were ineffective and it was crying out for some width/pace. Albrighton did more in 10mins than either of them did. What has happened to Gabby? He looks disinterested, appears to be carrying timber and is miles off the pace - always falling over and looking at the ref for a decision that he will never get. I actually feel for Delph and Westwood as I feel they can pick out a pass but they look up and the strikers are not making intelligent runs nor is there a wide man to hit. Hence pass it back again. I am numb from watching this turgid shite week in week out. I will always love Villa and this is REALLY hard to stomach.
Add Stoke & Newcastle to the double list, two very ordinary teams against any other clubs. What's happened to Gabby, nothing he's just not a very good player. He never has been. 'week in week out' you could of just said 'years'
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The only positive is that we didn't waste our time or money going. Bag of shite.
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I was at Bodymore Heath yesterday, my Granddaughter was playing in a tournament there, there was a piece of stripey filth laughing his head off when he heard Palace had scored, as we were all heading for the exit Spurs equalised and I caught his expression, it managed to make me smile, I even watched MOTD because of it.
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Just in, via a few pubs and a curry. In short, we were second best against a team who offered nothing. The manager has somehow got us into a tailspin that, if we survive or not, indicates that he's list his influence and must go in the summer, regardless. Week after week we see this shit and nothing changes. Time to go.
Fair play to you for being there everwhere my son. You're right, he's lost most on here and looks like the dressing room also. When Chelsea needed a goal against PSG last week - you could see there was a belief throughout heir team (before Ba scored), tell me the last time we had that visible in our team?
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I didn't go yesterday, when I got up yesterday morning I just couldn't get myself up for it so I got a refund on my train ticket (minus a £10 admin charge) and my match ticket is still sitting on the table. I didn't go because, sadly, I knew what would happen(not the score but the performance) and that is the problem that I am having right now, basically watching this side bores me!!
I know that they say the table doesn't lie but even if we are not statistically the worst team in the league, we are without a doubt the worst to watch and we are getting worse by the week.
Going to football is my main source of relaxation/downtime and I blame Mr Lerner for turning this into a chore, Lambert is not helping but he is, like McLeish, doing what he is being told to by his boss and whilst he could be making a better go of it he is not the root of the problem. If you fill any business with inadequate employees it will fail, you may have the occasional good day but in an environment as tough as the Premier League there is no resting place.
Today I have got up and feel sad that I didn't go yesterday (I am trying to console myself with the fact that my refund on my train ticket has left me in a better financial position) and I am hoping that as next Saturday approaches my love of the club makes me go next week.
I have already renewed my season ticket (and completed my away scheme application) for next year, I love Aston Villa, it is what I do but right now I am seriously considering that unless something changes before August I may looking for another refund, I hope not.
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My thoughts exactly LV, a sad thing perhaps to admit but I had always looked forward to going to the Villa,as I had done since 1968, but the feeling of disappointment and anger now far outweighs the sense of anticipation and excitement. This has been the case for the last three seasons and I will find it very difficult to justify another investment of £800 plus for 2 season tickets. I feel sorry for my lad whose loyalty is now being tested, he has watched some appalling matches at home and in truth probably has only carried on attending because of me.
There is a lack of accountability and responsibility with both the owner and the management. The continual denial of there being a problem is extremely worrying, almost like sleepwalking to an edge of a cliff. I really thought that today that there would be an announcement that Lambert had been sacked, I just cannot understand what Lerner thinks is going to change between now and the end of the season. The problems with the style of playing(style?) have been so obvious along with the very apparent lack of required quality of the playing staff. Even so there are managers out there that can at least inspire ordinary players to play beyond their normal competency yet Lambert evidently cannot do this. Other teams now know, as they have done for the last three years, that this Villa team is there for the taking. The odd exceptional result has been in spite of Lambert rather than because of him.
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I met a couple of Palace-supporting friends and their teenage sons yesterday. They've endured years of frustration, relegation, poor management and turgid football and have remained loyal throughout it all. I'm beginning to fear that, as in 1967 and 1987, bleak years lie ahead for Villa and our loyalty is going to be similarly tested. As others have said, going to games has become a chore rather than a pleasure. We'll remain loyal, of course, we'll still be supporting Villa long after Lambert and Lerner have gone, and in due course Villa will rise again, but I can't say that I'm looking forward to the journey.
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Complaints about fan behaviour during the minute's silence?
http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/Crystal-Palace-fans-hit-Aston-Villa-supporters/story-20953116-detail/story.html
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I don't think I can face going to watch Villa again until there are big changes at the club. I love The Villa but after these last 2 games I just can't face it. After the end of last season when our bad run was over and we looked to be turning a corner I just don't understand how, under Lambert's daily tutelage and training, so many players have clearly gone backwards. That, coupled with quite a few first team players who are just pagtently not top flight quality, makes me think that everything I saw that was positive last season and at the start of this was just papering over the cracks. I know the Okore and Benteke injuries in particular have been unlucky but it juist serves to highlight how painfully paper thin our squad is. Delph, Bertrand and Guzan (and maybe Vlaar, & Bacuna) have been the only glimmers of light in a genuinely dark season.
What has happened to Andi, Gabby, Westwood, Lowton? How our decision makers think that Clark, Baker, KEA, Holt, Bennett are good enough for any team in this league let alone the mighty Aston Villa FC is absolutely beyond me. I know Albrighton is a crowd favourite and he works hard but again he is not yet good enough to be anything over than a decent squad player.
So very very depressing. Dark times ahead unless there are dramatic changes within the club from the top down.
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So it wasn't a bad dream then. We did lose, and he's still with us. Hold on, i posted this last Sunday.
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I don't think I can face going to watch Villa again until there are big changes at the club. I love The Villa but after these last 2 games I just can't face it. After the end of last season when our bad run was over and we looked to be turning a corner I just don't understand how, under Lambert's daily tutelage and training, so many players have clearly gone backwards. That, coupled with quite a few first team players who are just pagtently not top flight quality, makes me think that everything I saw that was positive last season and at the start of this was just papering over the cracks. I know the Okore and Benteke injuries in particular have been unlucky but it juist serves to highlight how painfully paper thin our squad is. Delph, Bertrand and Guzan (and maybe Vlaar, & Bacuna) have been the only glimmers of light in a genuinely dark season.
What has happened to Andi, Gabby, Westwood, Lowton? How our decision makers think that Clark, Baker, KEA, Holt, Bennett are good enough for any team in this league let alone the mighty Aston Villa FC is absolutely beyond me. I know Albrighton is a crowd favourite and he works hard but again he is not yet good enough to be anything over than a decent squad player.
So very very depressing. Dark times ahead unless there are dramatic changes within the club from the top down.
Can't disagree with any of this, well said
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Complaints about fan behaviour during the minute's silence?
http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/Crystal-Palace-fans-hit-Aston-Villa-supporters/story-20953116-detail/story.html
Didn't happen that way. The usual thing occurred with people singing while walking in late and then bring shushed.
Happens during every minutes silence at footy.
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I saw the first half. At half time, my one year old daughter locked me, the wife and four year old son out on the balcony. Just been 'released' by the fire brigade.
On the plus side, I missed the second half. Haven't worked up the courage to read the match report, but I've got a fair idea that words like toothless and inept will crop up.
I really need to get myself a daughter.
And a balcony.
Love this site - even when everything is falling in a heap, something crops u to make you laugh until you cry :-)
Timbert - the tinpot entrepreneur in me sees a fantastic opportunity here - you could charge for your daughters services to routinely go to fellow Lions supporters houses, every time Lamberts superheroes put on a show, - and for a fee, get her to lock us all out of our respective houses - i'd pay a kings ransom for that service just now, only with a slight change in the methodology - you would need to bring her around before kick off to work her magic - then we wouldn't be subjected to even 45 mins of this garbage.
UTV !!
Loving the idea, although we do need to incorporate the local fire brigade. Imagine our joy when we heard the woo woos; imagine our amusement when they drove past our house. My daughter's fee will be to wear as many clothes as she can find - think that time where Joey wore all of Chandler's clothes.
Did I mention we had a cake in the oven whilst we were stranded...?!
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My concern is that I struggle to think of a manager I want at the Villa who would come.
Yep. Both Martinez and OGS turned us down for (probably) the same reasons.
Until Lerner comes to his senses or sells up more managers will turn us down.
OGS had pressure put on him by the bloke who owns Molde.
Martinez wasn't even interviewed as he felt he still owed Wigan.
We may not be the most attractive proposition right now but we are still Aston Villa and plenty of managers would want the job.
Maybe but I expected us to go after some big names when MON walked out and we had finished top 6 three times. And yet our shortlist at the time comprised of MacDonald, Curbishley, Houllier and one other bang average manager who I forgot.
I can't see us getting a significant upgrade on Lambert tbh unless we get a change of ownership sometime soon.
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Complaints about fan behaviour during the minute's silence?
http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/Crystal-Palace-fans-hit-Aston-Villa-supporters/story-20953116-detail/story.html
Didn't happen that way. The usual thing occurred with people singing while walking in late and then bring shushed.
Happens during every minutes silence at footy.
A similar thing happened to my brother a few years ago. Villa were playing at Bradford (I think) - he had got tanked up in the pub and used the toilets as soon as he got into the ground. As usual on the way to his seat, he joined in the singing of 'what a f@cking sh1t hole' only to realise that it was the middle of the minutes silence for Princess Diana.
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At times like this I can scarcely read the papers or come on h&v.
I was amused to find that my copy of the Sunday Times had no Villa report - very sympathetic, I thought.
There are two Newcastle reports so the poor Geordies trying to avoid pain have double the trouble.
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My concern is that I struggle to think of a manager I want at the Villa who would come.
Yep. Both Martinez and OGS turned us down for (probably) the same reasons.
Until Lerner comes to his senses or sells up more managers will turn us down.
OGS had pressure put on him by the bloke who owns Molde.
Martinez wasn't even interviewed as he felt he still owed Wigan.
We may not be the most attractive proposition right now but we are still Aston Villa and plenty of managers would want the job.
I used to think that. Sadly the thing that's needed to change this in this day and age is money. No manager better than Lambert (not that I want to keep him) will come and work for peanuts, especially seeing how it's gone these past 2 years.
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We played shit yesterday and Selhurst Park is a shit ground.
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We played shit yesterday and Selhurst Park is a shit ground.
They should have used this report in the Sunday Times.
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We played shit yesterday and Selhurst Park is a shit ground.
They should have used this report in the Sunday Times.
At first I thought it was a quote from the Sol Campbell biog.
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No manager better than Lambert (not that I want to keep him) will come and work for peanuts, especially seeing how it's gone these past 2 years.
What do you mean here? We pay circa £2M a year. So plenty in Holland/Spain better than Lambert who would like to earn that sort of money where the going rate with the exception of couple of clubs is around £500K.
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Complaints about fan behaviour during the minute's silence?
http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/Crystal-Palace-fans-hit-Aston-Villa-supporters/story-20953116-detail/story.html
Didn't happen that way. The usual thing occurred with people singing while walking in late and then bring shushed.
Happens during every minutes silence at footy.
Complaints about fan behaviour during the minute's silence?
http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/Crystal-Palace-fans-hit-Aston-Villa-supporters/story-20953116-detail/story.html
Didn't happen that way. The usual thing occurred with people singing while walking in late and then bring shushed.
Happens during every minutes silence at footy.
A similar thing happened to my brother a few years ago. Villa were playing at Bradford (I think) - he had got tanked up in the pub and used the toilets as soon as he got into the ground. As usual on the way to his seat, he joined in the singing of 'what a f@cking sh1t hole' only to realise that it was the middle of the minutes silence for Princess Diana.
Considering the kick off was 3.07 you would think that most fans would realise that it was for a particular reason.
What moral high ground Palace may have held didn't last long however. I was sat in the "family stand" with my 2 boys and the number of retards that spent the 90 minutes gesturing and swearing at the Villa fans was crazy. I'd have thought their parents would have done something about it.
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Quite possibly the worst game of football I have ever seen. Both sides deserved to lose.
True but unfortunately Villa seem to be voluntary sacrificial victims..when will it change?..I'm getting on a bit now! Come on da Villllaa!
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At times like this I can scarcely read the papers or come on h&v.
I was amused to find that my copy of the Sunday Times had no Villa report - very sympathetic, I thought.
There are two Newcastle reports so the poor Geordies trying to avoid pain have double the trouble.
I was at a family wedding yesterday. Managed a quick look at the BBC page and knew we were losing 1-0. Didn't find out final score until around 8pm and wasn't remotely surprised.
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At times like this I can scarcely read the papers or come on h&v.
I was amused to find that my copy of the Sunday Times had no Villa report - very sympathetic, I thought.
There are two Newcastle reports so the poor Geordies trying to avoid pain have double the trouble.
I was at a family wedding yesterday. Managed a quick look at the BBC page and knew we were losing 1-0. Didn't find out final score until around 8pm and wasn't remotely surprised.
You're reaction was probably like mine. It's a quick look, swear under your breath, carry on doing what you were doing, despite being mad inside. Hoping that the next time you looked we'd turned it around, yet knowing full well there was more chance of it ending 2-0.
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We played shit yesterday and Selhurst Park is a shit ground.
As always, Darren nails it.
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Darren is the Master of Minimalism and very gifted. If I had tried to write that I would have agonized over using the same word twice six words apart and would have added something trite like "and not a decent chip shop within three miles."
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However I am shocked that Darren used the word shit. Now that really tells us how bad we are.
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However I am shocked that Darren used the word shit. Now that really tells us how bad we are.
He said it twice you know.
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I bumped into Darren on the train to the ground. Always a pleasure.
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Time's nearly up.
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I bumped into Darren on the train to the ground. Always a pleasure.
I think you bumped into a lot of things after the game too. Not as many as the Stourbridge massive though.......
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We played shit yesterday and Selhurst Park is a shit ground.
As always, Darren nails it.
The double use of the word 'shit' is a master stroke. I feel as if I were at the game.
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Complaints about fan behaviour during the minute's silence?
http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/Crystal-Palace-fans-hit-Aston-Villa-supporters/story-20953116-detail/story.html
Didn't happen that way. The usual thing occurred with people singing while walking in late and then bring shushed.
Happens during every minutes silence at footy.
This.
No away fan in stadium made any noise. If there was any heckling it was from Palace fans. Presumably the Croydon Advertiser will retract and apologise?
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I bumped into Darren on the train to the ground. Always a pleasure.
I spend most games in the company of Darren and he is good guy to be around .
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I imagine Darren spends most games trying to make eye contact with the home support and then slowly drawing his thumb across his throat once they look his way.
is this an accurate description?
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At times like this I can scarcely read the papers or come on h&v.
I was amused to find that my copy of the Sunday Times had no Villa report - very sympathetic, I thought.
There are two Newcastle reports so the poor Geordies trying to avoid pain have double the trouble.
I was at a family wedding yesterday. Managed a quick look at the BBC page and knew we were losing 1-0. Didn't find out final score until around 8pm and wasn't remotely surprised.
You're reaction was probably like mine. It's a quick look, swear under your breath, carry on doing what you were doing, despite being mad inside. Hoping that the next time you looked we'd turned it around, yet knowing full well there was more chance of it ending 2-0.
Sounds very familiar, TV.
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At times like this I can scarcely read the papers or come on h&v.
I was amused to find that my copy of the Sunday Times had no Villa report - very sympathetic, I thought.
There are two Newcastle reports so the poor Geordies trying to avoid pain have double the trouble.
I was at a family wedding yesterday. Managed a quick look at the BBC page and knew we were losing 1-0. Didn't find out final score until around 8pm and wasn't remotely surprised.
You're reaction was probably like mine. It's a quick look, swear under your breath, carry on doing what you were doing, despite being mad inside. Hoping that the next time you looked we'd turned it around, yet knowing full well there was more chance of it ending 2-0.
Sounds very familiar, TV.
I was in the Kunstmuseum in Basel getting updates from my brother and uncle who were in attendance. Van Gogh would have cut both ears off if he had to follow our lot.
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Complaints about fan behaviour during the minute's silence?
http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/Crystal-Palace-fans-hit-Aston-Villa-supporters/story-20953116-detail/story.html
Didn't happen that way. The usual thing occurred with people singing while walking in late and then bring shushed.
Happens during every minutes silence at footy.
This.
No away fan in stadium made any noise. If there was any heckling it was from Palace fans. Presumably the Croydon Advertiser will retract and apologise?
Well from where I was sitting it sounded like noise coming from the away bit - whether or not they were in the stand or concourse I couldn't say. The heckling (equally dopey) was in response to that.
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Complaints about fan behaviour during the minute's silence?
http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/Crystal-Palace-fans-hit-Aston-Villa-supporters/story-20953116-detail/story.html
Didn't happen that way. The usual thing occurred with people singing while walking in late and then bring shushed.
Happens during every minutes silence at footy.
This.
No away fan in stadium made any noise. If there was any heckling it was from Palace fans. Presumably the Croydon Advertiser will retract and apologise?
Well from where I was sitting it sounded like noise coming from the away bit - whether or not they were in the stand or concourse I couldn't say. The heckling (equally dopey) was in response to that.
From where we were, it did sound like it was coming from either outside or from people walking in from the concourse. The other's telling them to shut up didn't help too much. Luckily it didn't last for the whole minute.
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At times like this I can scarcely read the papers or come on h&v.
I was amused to find that my copy of the Sunday Times had no Villa report - very sympathetic, I thought.
There are two Newcastle reports so the poor Geordies trying to avoid pain have double the trouble.
I was at a family wedding yesterday. Managed a quick look at the BBC page and knew we were losing 1-0. Didn't find out final score until around 8pm and wasn't remotely surprised.
You're reaction was probably like mine. It's a quick look, swear under your breath, carry on doing what you were doing, despite being mad inside. Hoping that the next time you looked we'd turned it around, yet knowing full well there was more chance of it ending 2-0.
Sounds very familiar, TV.
I was in the Kunstmuseum in Basel getting updates from my brother and uncle who were in attendance. Van Gogh would have cut both ears off if he had to follow our lot.
I thought the Kunstmuseum was the Trophy Room at St Andrews.
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Complaints about fan behaviour during the minute's silence?
http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/Crystal-Palace-fans-hit-Aston-Villa-supporters/story-20953116-detail/story.html
Didn't happen that way. The usual thing occurred with people singing while walking in late and then bring shushed.
Happens during every minutes silence at footy.
This.
No away fan in stadium made any noise. If there was any heckling it was from Palace fans. Presumably the Croydon Advertiser will retract and apologise?
Well from where I was sitting it sounded like noise coming from the away bit - whether or not they were in the stand or concourse I couldn't say. The heckling (equally dopey) was in response to that.
From where we were, it did sound like it was coming from either outside or from people walking in from the concourse. The other's telling them to shut up didn't help too much. Luckily it didn't last for the whole minute.
This is why I favour the minute's applause.
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Complaints about fan behaviour during the minute's silence?
http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/Crystal-Palace-fans-hit-Aston-Villa-supporters/story-20953116-detail/story.html
Didn't happen that way. The usual thing occurred with people singing while walking in late and then bring shushed.
Happens during every minutes silence at footy.
This.
No away fan in stadium made any noise. If there was any heckling it was from Palace fans. Presumably the Croydon Advertiser will retract and apologise?
Well from where I was sitting it sounded like noise coming from the away bit - whether or not they were in the stand or concourse I couldn't say. The heckling (equally dopey) was in response to that.
From where we were, it did sound like it was coming from either outside or from people walking in from the concourse. The other's telling them to shut up didn't help too much. Luckily it didn't last for the whole minute.
This is why I favour the minute's applause.
Well unfortunately I agree - just a shame people can't shut up for one minute though.....watching the tv yesterday the Man City fans maanged it ok. With the amount of coverage last week surely everyone realised not there was going to be a minute's silence?
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Its all so depressing. We are looking like a team in free fall and I fear that we are in such dreadful form that we will get relegated. I haven't been worried up until now, just depressed about how piss poor we have looked at times. Now I have resigned myself to the fact we won't gain another point.
I hate to say it but we are dreadful, uninspiring and predictable. What the f%^k has happened to Aston Villa. These clowns running and managing our club are ruining it.
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I imagine Darren spends most games trying to make eye contact with the home support and then slowly drawing his thumb across his throat once they look his way.
is this an accurate description?
Far from it lovely bloke
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It worries me that he thinks we are not involved with the relegation battle. Someone please sack him.
The club don't seem to think so either!
Which is a bit depressing.
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Loving playing golf on a Saturday afternoon. Value for money. No end of ticket offers sent via text message from B6 can interest me.
That's sad considering my granddad, dad, myself and my son are Villa through and through. Father to son.
Up until 2 years ago I had 2 x ST for years with my son as he grew up. Then at 16 years old his ticket price went up. No father/son ST offers to grab me, despite my efforts to advise the club of an obvious need and especially as the product on offer is sub standard.
You lose the father and son thing you slowly lose your support. The love remains, but until we have a competitive side to watch its just a fond memory.
Time to strip it back to finding good footballers with a heart for a fight and the quality to play good passing football. Don't need to win every week, but be good enough to think on a good day we might beat Liverpool today, never mind falling over at Crystal Palace.
As for our manager...mmmmumbles...cant understand a word that dour man says after the lowlights on Motd. He could'nt lead me down the garden path. His team selections are as poor as his signings. I'm sure he thinks if he buys enough frogs he will get a prince. Nothing like clogging up the wage budget.
Plan of action...
New owners hopefully, but that's up to Mr Lord Lucan were ever he is.
New manager: Steve Bruce (winner) worked wonders with Hull, made great proven signings this season to make a real difference. Hddleston from Spurs, Long from WBA and Jelavic from Everton have cemented Hull in Premiership and got them to Cup Final.
Coaches: must include Sid somewhere in it, to add Villa know how. No yes men.
Transfer requisite: Buy 2 quality players only, value minimum and circa £15m each and every window for next 4 windows. No multi £5-£8m gambles, just proven quality. Ship out dross asap.
Sounds simple really but by January 2015 could have a squad with 8 x £15m players, Benteke, Guzan, Delph maybe alongside 2 x better. The rest, the jury is out including Vlaar. They need to show improvement or be replaced.
Sounds simple really...but Id like to see mmmumbles and Lord Lucans suggestions. I suggest when in a hole, stop digging.
Up The Villa,
DaveH
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I haven't scoured through the posts but what's this "Albrighton came home on his own on the train" rumour that's going around about?