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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: ozzjim on April 05, 2014, 04:52:25 PM
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And for me, Lambert out.
Fucking disgraceful
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Well, at least we didn't give up 4 this time ....
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Let's get ready to mumble.
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OK. I've had enough now.
Time to go, Mr Lambert.
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I understand that there were injuries to key players but that was piss poor beyond belief. I'm wavering towards Lambert out. Our squad is also absolute shite, I wouldn't mind if several of them never played for us again.
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Sack him now
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We lost and i don't even give a shit.
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Out
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Embarrassing, unacceptable
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Never had a go at Lambert yet, but this is unacceptable.
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Fuck them all Lerner, lambert and the players,WANKERS!!!!!
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And for me, Lambert out.
Fucking disgraceful
The defence is slapstick at best. Truly dreadful.
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Doesn't get much worse than that.
Absolute bilge. Not too sure where the necessary 4-6 points are coming from.
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We will be relegated within the next two seasons unless people at Villa Park get their act together starting by sacking this clown and followed by getting in a good manager and handing him at least £50m
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Yet another low, we are a complete joke. We've lost at home to Fulham and it's completely unacceptable. Not only that we were largely outplayed, which is atrocious. Villa are a complete mess and if you don't believe that, 10 defeats at home in a season at least. Terrible.
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Let's get ready to mumble.
Load of bollocks - he'll blame imjuries.
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The squad, the team...the club need fucking overhaul.
If 5-6 experienced, quality with international caps don't come in then we are looking at dire, clueless, half arsed football and possible releagtion every fucking season.
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Utterly shit as per usual
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Horrific result, horrific performance. If there is any justice in the world Lambert will be gone before Match of the day.
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Complete shit ..knew we would lose when I saw the team but fucking hell again just shit defending and lack of ability to keep hold of the ball.No way in any circumstances should Lambert be given a contract extension.
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For the first time I agree, bringing Bowery on at the end was the final nail for me, 2 young strikers on the bench, 1 who's scoring for fun for the reserves, one who hasn't scored at any level for 2 years it's pretty fucking obvious which one is a chance of getting you a goal.
I want Lambert to do well, I like the transfer policy, I think it's the right way to go about it, but the reality is we're going to end on less points than last season, which is totally unacceptable.
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Think I have reached tipping point, he needs to go now!
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Outplayed, outfought and outthought, at home - by Fulham
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We've got to hope that we can get something vs Hull at home and Swansea away, cos we're not getting anything from the other games!
Pulis's Palace next.... They'll tear us a new one! ....and they are level on points with us now! :(
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What's the betting those backing Lambert leave it a couple of days and start with their we are improving bullshit.
Don't forget guy's the plan is to stay up,he is going nowhere.
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I can't really express what I think about Villa's performance without descending into volcanic swearing. All I'll say is that, as long as its not at our expense (a huge, huge 'as long as'), I hope Fulham stay up because I like them.
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£25 would be enough for a good manager, to build 4-5 decent players into the side.
Simply, Weimann, Bennett, Lowton sadly, Baker etc are simply not good enough at all.
The rigid 4-3-3 does not work at all
There is no plan, style of play, strategy etc.
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well that was very poor-because our squad is quite poor.
We lack talent on the ball
to be fair to Grant Holt he did ok -won some free kicks and scored,if we had crossed to him 1st time every time we might have got more out of him
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Lambert in. But boy that was bad. Sort it son.
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Two things will now be true. One, Paul Lambert will be as safe in his job as he was at 2.59pm today. Two, this game will be moved from last to third on MOTD.
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If we hadn't somehow fluked 9 points against Arsenal, Man City and Chelsea we'd be gone already.
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We will be relegated within the next two seasons unless people at Villa Park get their act together starting by sacking this clown and followed by getting in a good manager and handing him at least £50m
I know that Irish. You know that. A few others too but loads seem to think we'll be fine with him in charge. Someone over on the Lambert thread even told me all his friends are happy with Lambert. I don't know a single Villa fan personally who doesn't think he's a fucking idiot including you my friend!
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Stick Paul Lambert up your arse. Fucking clown. Joke of a club, Ive had enough, good night.
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Bowery is one of the worst players i've seen at villa
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Well, I've held the same view for a long old while, but none-the-less I'm going to add it here; Lambert should be sacked, he is rubbish.
What a dismal, dull, depressing performance.
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We lost and i don't even give a shit.
My feelings exactly, almost getting immune to it now
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Who's surprised? Not me. We have a terrible record against our relegation peers. And they, the bottom club, have superior players to us in virtually every position. If things don't change, relegation is the most nailed on thing since Jesus.
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Glad I couldn't get down to the game.
Abject, inept and unacceptable.
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For the first time I agree, bringing Bowery on at the end was the final nail for me, 2 young strikers on the bench, 1 who's scoring for fun for the reserves, one who hasn't scored at any level for 2 years it's pretty fucking obvious which one is a chance of getting you a goal.
I want Lambert to do well, I like the transfer policy, I think it's the right way to go about it, but the reality is we're going to end on less points than last season, which is totally unacceptable.
Yes actually Bowery is just nowhere near good enough at all.
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Even allowing for the injuries that was shit. Bowery ffs. Typical Villa performance, glimpses of decent play surrounded by a sea of shit.
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utter feckin shite lambert fuck off now
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Awful stuff. It seemed almost inevitable. Fulham have been so awful and in dire need of a win. It's what I felt in the pre-match prediction thread. This was actually the game I feared most of our remaining 7, precisely because on paper it was by far the easiest.
But we seem to cock these games up with aplomb.
Lambert has to go. Either now, or see out the last 6 games and then we can pick him up by the collar and toss him out the back door. Bloody useless manager.
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Can't defend Lambert any more. Got to go.
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FFS. Are we really this shit ?
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Get rid of the moron now!
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Bowery is one of the worst players i've seen at villa
The trouble is there's 5-6 other players in the squad who could compete for that title too. To have so many duffers in our squad at one time, who get ample game time too, says a lot about where we're at right now.
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The inevitable just creeps closer and closer.....
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That second Fulham goal was inevitable, we can't say we weren't warned. The defence seems to have reverted to how it was last season. Hopeless. Baker's positioning? Deary me
I can see us getting 1-2 more points this season, honestly.
Luckily, I think Cardiff are down and Sunderland are pretty close to being down too given their fixtures. And also luckily Fulham play Norwich next. After that, Norwich's fixtures are awful (Liverpool, Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal).
So hopefully we'll be rescued by the shitness of others. But we've got no momentum at all and without Benteke and with that defence . . . shocking.
I actually think Holt, Albrighton and Tonev when he came on did pretty well. But Fulham could have had four goals in the twenty minutes I watched today. Really should have done.
Time to forget about football till the Palace game - which we're 100% going to lose.
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I'm just glad I don't pay to watch this shit anymore.
Lambert needs a goal in the final few minutes, so takes off one of the hardest working, most influential players of the game, and sticks someone on that has done jack shit since he signed! The bloke is an idiot.
Fuck em. Like our saviour of a chairman, I've fallen out of love enough to not go to games anymore. Don't think I can even be bothered to listen to radio/watch on t'internet anymore!
RIP Aston Villa FC. If we're not down this season, it will be next, regardless of whether Lambert is fired or not. We have a small time chairman who thinks painting a few railings claret and blue is enough to run a football club!
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Get rid of the moron now! We're as bad now as when he first took over. If we manage to escape the drop this season, we'd be dead certs to go down next year with him in charge!
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DOUBLE POST
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Booooooooooo, Fucking rubbish
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What a load of rubbish but alas very predictable.
This is the worst manager we've had since McNeil.
I'm afraid we will go down this year as I can't see us picking up any more than two points.
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Bowery is one of the worst players i've seen at villa
The trouble is there's 5-6 other players in the squad who could compete for that title too. To have so many duffers in our squad at one time, who get ample game time too, says a lot about where we're at right now.
That's the point, in terms of quality our squad is one of the worst in the league. It's really awful.
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Is anyone shocked by this result? Total laughing stock. Lambert out.
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Thought we wouldn't win when I saw the team, where was Delph today?
To not even scrape a point against the bottom club at home is shambolic.
I saw bits of the first half and from the looks of it Bertrand was playing central midfield?! Bizarre.
Have to say with the result today this season has echoes of the McLeish year when we were bumbling along in mid table, lost Bent at Wigan and then plummeted and nearly went down.
Think Palace will turn us over next week aswell.
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I still haven't taken in that we lost. Even a draw would have been a poor result.
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How is this shite any better than the last few years under Ellis?
Can somebody put an argument together outlining why because I am lost how some folk are sleep-walking into this disaster with the cub. I really cannot see how this is better. Or how this is acceptable.
The club is in a shitstorm. And has been for quite some time.
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The sooner the seasons over the better lambert out
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The club is in a shitstorm. But I will keep saying that it could be worse. If Randy pulled the plug we could be Leeds United, I promise you.
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Even a point today, I'd argue that we were safe because none of the teams in immediate danger look like putting together any form. But we've become one of those teams that can't buy a win and are sinking alarmingly fast. Logic tells me we'll just about scrape safety, but for about four years we've had to use luck in varying degrees to achieve it. I fear it's run out.
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Really depressing today. The team selection and bench told it's story about the shortage of quality and the match proved that. We were well beaten today - yes if we had been given the penalty it might have ended up different but we were second best with few options to change things. I hope we can do enough to stay up but am beginning to think we may need to go down to bring about change. How sad is that?
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Does anyone seriously think we have a prayer of seeing him sacked?
Even though it is almost certain that through statistics alone he will have taken us backwards with more money than last year.
Unless something changes drastically this is only going to end one way us going down next season or the one after that.
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It'd be easier to accept if we had been the better team.
We weren't, though, we were truly abysmal.
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Bowery is one of the worst players i've seen at villa
Bit harsh. It's not his fault he's always played out on the wing. Is he any good in the middle? I guess we'll never know. Strikers rely on confidence, I'd imagine his is shot.
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This is just unacceptable something has to give, we are doomed!!
Another shite weekend, Lambert, Faulkner, Lerner out!!!!
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Bowery is one of the worst players i've seen at villa
The trouble is there's 5-6 other players in the squad who could compete for that title too. To have so many duffers in our squad at one time, who get ample game time too, says a lot about where we're at right now.
That's the point, in terms of quality our squad is one of the worst in the league. It's really awful.
It's embarrassing to watch at times. It makes it worse when we've got a good academy. Lets face it, Albrighton isn't the best prospect who's come through our ranks in the last 10 year, and he's an average player but he's one of our best players at the moment. So even if our academy is topping out at potentially average players, that probably gives them a leg up over some of Lamberts signings.
I'd rather see GG, Johnson, Robinson etc get given game time in the last few games and have the chance to impress rather than players like Bowery and Sylla who are hopeless. Bennett was an accident waiting to happen again too. Very poor.
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Bowery is one of the worst players i've seen at villa
Bit harsh. It's not his fault he's always played out on the wing. Is he any good in the middle? I guess we'll never know. Strikers rely on confidence, I'd imagine his is shot.
The amount of players in poor form or who have regressed leads me to conclude Lambert is like a PE teacher - he has his favourites, and if you're not one of them he's merciless.
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Getting fed up with this now, a lucky win against Chelsea has probably saved him for this season but this is unacceptable.
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Pathetic, appalling, tragic, depressing, expected, same old shit ...
Pick your own summation.
Fuck off Lambert.
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We won't go this season, Fulham ain't got a game as easy as today. Cardiff can't buy a win, see Sunderland and Norwich run in is solid. Next season I dread to think
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Bowery is one of the worst players i've seen at villa
Bit harsh. It's not his fault he's always played out on the wing. Is he any good in the middle? I guess we'll never know. Strikers rely on confidence, I'd imagine his is shot.
It's not his fault but he's part of the problem with Lamberts Villa. A player from League 2 who didn't even stand out there, with a poor goal return, who we bring in and then only ever play out of position. I don't think anyone will ever fathom Lamberts logic on this one.
I think we've now seen more than enough of Bowery to know he's playing well above his level. Give our own premier league academy boys a go now. Robinson should be fired up.
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1 point better off than at same stage last season. Amazing improvement.
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Bowery is above his level it's not his fault though.
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Should we have had a pen? Looked like a good shout to me but as I was at the other end of the ground I could easily be wrong.
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I can only see regression in terms of football and now we're so close to going down - again. Nowhere near good enough. Lambert has had time and money. Lerner has had so much time and so many mistakes to learn from. 10 home defeats for the first time ever apparently. Something's got to give because this isn't Aston Villa.
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The thing I don't get about so many people on this site is that they say without a) a new manager and b) lots of new investment, we're fucked. Surely if b) is true, then we can't blame a) entirely, and vice versa. It doesn't make sense.
Personally, I think it is possible to get by on the sort of strategy we're running but it's clearly a big risk - and the problem we have is we're trying to build this ethos in the premier league. It's almost more suitable as a strategy once you've dropped a division and are rebuilding.
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10 defeats at home and still Lambert is in charge of the Villa. How much more humiliation is this man going to inflict on our club?
LAMBERT OUT!!
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1 point better off than at same stage last season. Amazing improvement.
And odds on to finish with less than 41 and possibly less than the 38 McLeish managed.
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He has to go at the end if the season. The players he has signed are shite and his tactics are woeful.
You could see from the start if the 2nd half Fulham looked dangerous with their two substitutions. Lambert either didn't see it if ignored it. The bloke ain't up to the job. Get your coat and do one.
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I can only see regression in terms of football and now we're so close to going down - again. Nowhere near good enough. Lambert has had time and money. Lerner has had so much time and so many mistakes to learn from. 10 home defeats for the first time ever apparently. Something's got to give because this isn't Aston Villa.
This is Aston Villa. 2011-14 and still sinking.
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1 point better off than at same stage last season. Amazing improvement.
And odds on to finish with less than 41 and possibly less than the 38 McLeish managed.
Less than Mcleish and he has to go no questions asked.
I think we may stay up but this isn't going to last forever we can no keep not investing and scambling for our lives season after season.
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Is the 14 defeats in 19 true? I can't bring myself to check that particularly abysmal stat
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Is the 14 defeats in 19 true? I can't bring myself to check that particularly abysmal stat
Eleven defeats in last 18 league games. 4 wins. 3 draws.
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Is the 14 defeats in 19 true? I can't bring myself to check that particularly abysmal stat
Eleven defeats in last 18 league games. 4 wins. 3 draws.
So, 15 from the last 54 points?
I don't know what is worse. That record or the fact that Randy and the Boy Wonder will doubtless think he's doing a good job.
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This club is run by fucking chumps from the top down. Clueless nobodies willing to accept mediocrity as the ceiling for success. Unfortunately, we the fans have been ground down to accept this shit and stumble on in our ongoing quest for mid table safety. Well fuck it, I've had enough, I'm out.
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Awful.
Had some great chances to score.
Going to be closer than last season if we are to stay up.
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I got this wrong, I had us losing 4-1 again. Clearly we are not as bad as I thought we were. Lambert must be so proud of the lads.
I'll stop being so negative.
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Is the 14 defeats in 19 true? I can't bring myself to check that particularly abysmal stat
Eleven defeats in last 18 league games. 4 wins. 3 draws.
So, 15 from the last 54 points?
I don't know what is worse. That record or the fact that Randy and the Boy Wonder will doubtless think he's doing a good job.
It's equally disgusting.
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Houllier was sacked for much less than this!
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Is the 14 defeats in 19 true? I can't bring myself to check that particularly abysmal stat
Eleven defeats in last 18 league games. 4 wins. 3 draws.
So, 15 from the last 54 points?
I don't know what is worse. That record or the fact that Randy and the Boy Wonder will doubtless think he's doing a good job.
Scored 19 in that time but 8 of them came in 2 matches.
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Is the 14 defeats in 19 true? I can't bring myself to check that particularly abysmal stat
Eleven defeats in last 18 league games. 4 wins. 3 draws.
And a humiliating cup loss too.
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Is the 14 defeats in 19 true? I can't bring myself to check that particularly abysmal stat
Eleven defeats in last 18 league games. 4 wins. 3 draws.
So, 15 from the last 54 points?
I don't know what is worse. That record or the fact that Randy and the Boy Wonder will doubtless think he's doing a good job.
Scored 19 in that time but 8 of them came in 2 matches.
32 goals against
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Wonder if Randy's on the phone from New York now to PL , "Ignore all the booing dude, we'll stay up I think, your doing a good job with what you've got"
Pathetic from top to bottom this club, it's a disgrace!!
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For the first time I agree, bringing Bowery on at the end was the final nail for me, 2 young strikers on the bench, 1 who's scoring for fun for the reserves, one who hasn't scored at any level for 2 years it's pretty fucking obvious which one is a chance of getting you a goal.
I want Lambert to do well, I like the transfer policy, I think it's the right way to go about it, but the reality is we're going to end on less points than last season, which is totally unacceptable.
The point about this is that one has possible potential whereas Bowery has no future at this level at all, so what on earth is the point of it, and in the 90th minute as well, puts the icing on it!
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Fuck all of it.
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Is the 14 defeats in 19 true? I can't bring myself to check that particularly abysmal stat
Eleven defeats in last 18 league games. 4 wins. 3 draws.
So, 15 from the last 54 points?
I don't know what is worse. That record or the fact that Randy and the Boy Wonder will doubtless think he's doing a good job.
How is Faulkner still in a job?
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And no Helenius once again.
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What is sadder than losing to the bottom club in the league, is that it comes as no surprise! Not even sure if I'm angry or resigned to this situation; yes man after yes man dragging the club I've supported for decades into the gutter so the club can be run on the cheap. Actually I am angry and not resigned, I'm fucking furious!
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And no Helenius once again.
Apparently he is injured.
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Fuck all of it.
That's how I feel about it.
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Is the 14 defeats in 19 true? I can't bring myself to check that particularly abysmal stat
Eleven defeats in last 18 league games. 4 wins. 3 draws.
So, 15 from the last 54 points?
I don't know what is worse. That record or the fact that Randy and the Boy Wonder will doubtless think he's doing a good job.
How is Faulkner still in a job?
Clearly a very good corporate bull shitter who Randy rates or more to the point likes.
I do know since he became CEO the on field stuff - the single most important part - has been in apparent underlying terminal decline.
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Fuck all of it.
That's how I feel about it.
It's sapping my energy pretending not to care, but it's the only way I can cope.
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What do people expect from this clown of a manager?
It has been so obvious that he is totally out of his depth. Everything about the game today told you what a useless prat he is.
The selection, tactics and finally the substitutions.
And this against one of the worst team in the league.
It looks like he may just have made the impossibility of relegation possible.
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Lambert's thoughts "losing is normal"........Yep!! http://vocaroo.com/i/s0TYtnrQwI8Z (http://vocaroo.com/i/s0TYtnrQwI8Z)
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If anyone thinks i`m spending half a grand a year next season to watch what we`ve had to watch for the last 3 years they can kiss it, totally unnacceptable, crap football, poor results, bad atmosphere, the club is being destroyed from within, Lerner take note. i am not fickle, far from it i`ve been there thick and thin since the 3rd division, but if the current shambolic hierachy lack ambition, why should i bother my arse, do not take me for granted.
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Fuck all of it.
My feelings nicely summed up.
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Should we have had a pen? Looked like a good shout to me but as I was at the other end of the ground I could easily be wrong.
I was 2000 bloody miles away and it was a penalty.
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Another club record... 10 home defeats... Well done "moron".
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The M69 is often quite clear and pleasant to drive along. Considering a King Power season ticket, to be sure of PL football next season.
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I've given him all my support, certainly more than most. I wanted him at the start, and wanted him to succeed. It's not happening and this should not be allowed to continue.
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a king power season ticket? Goodness gracious, things are bad, very bad, there's no need for that
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I just can't even begin to see why, whilst losing 2-1 at home to the bottom of the league team, on *NINETY* minutes, you would:
1. Make any substitution at all.
2. Leave Weimann on the pitch, bring off the only player who looks even remotely like creating anything for us.
3. Bring on Jordan Bowery.
Why on earth do that?
I think that was the precise moment the switch flicked for me, he honestly has lost the fucking plot.
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Is the 14 defeats in 19 true? I can't bring myself to check that particularly abysmal stat
Eleven defeats in last 18 league games. 4 wins. 3 draws.
So, 15 from the last 54 points?
I don't know what is worse. That record or the fact that Randy and the Boy Wonder will doubtless think he's doing a good job.
How is Faulkner still in a job?
Y'know Milliband and Clegg and Cameron? Greasy pole climbing, self serving politicians. Faulkner even looks like their threeway bastard love child. He has made the FA board. He does not care a jot about what actually happens to us with our team.
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Apart from the blip of the Chelsea game, over the last 6 or 7 games we have easily looked one of the worst three teams in the league. Defensively I'd argue we are probably the worst at the moment, absolutely clueless. And without Benteke the attack is going to be just as bad. I know we've been unlucky with injuries, but that has served to show how massively sub standard are the majority of Lambert's signings and the academy players who get a look in. 80% of our squad are simply nowhere near good enough on a consistent basis for the PL, constantly giving the ball away cheaply in our own half. With little goal threat and a defence leakier than the Titanic, it's hard to see us getting even another point. We may escape by the skin of our teeth again, but the truth is that with an owner, Chief Exec, manager, coaching staff and majority of the squad so obviously sub-standard, we deserve to go down. And sooner rather than later we will.
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a king power season ticket? Goodness gracious, things are bad, very bad, there's no need for that
Well done me. Causing a shock on the most shocking day at Villa Park since DOL and Doug ran things.
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How is this shite any better than the last few years under Ellis?
Can somebody put an argument together outlining why because I am lost how some folk are sleep-walking into this disaster with the cub. I really cannot see how this is better. Or how this is acceptable.
The club is in a shitstorm. And has been for quite some time.
Oh, there's plenty who can Irish as you and I both know. I even had someone on the Lambert thread tell me all of his friends were happy with the moron in charge
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I just can't even begin to see why, whilst losing 2-1 at home to the bottom of the league team, on *NINETY* minutes, you would:
1. Make any substitution at all.
2. Leave Weimann on the pitch, bring off the only player who looks even remotely like creating anything for us.
3. Bring on Jordan Bowery.
Why on earth do that?
I think that was the precise moment the switch flicked for me, he honestly has lost the fucking plot.
Could not have put this better, it was the fact he took Allbrighton off to do it that fkin amazed me. You are right he has lost the plot and should lose his job.
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Anyone who says Bowery is the worst player you've seen in a villa shirt obviously hasn't been a fan long
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If anyone thinks i`m spending half a grand a year next season to watch what we`ve had to watch for the last 3 years they can kiss it, totally unnacceptable, crap football, poor results, bad atmosphere, the club is being destroyed from within, Lerner take note. i am not fickle, far from it i`ve been there thick and thin since the 3rd division, but if the current shambolic hierachy lack ambition, why should i bother my arse, do not take me for granted.
Powerful and telling. Please transcribe it into a letter to Nicola Keyes.
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Is the 14 defeats in 19 true? I can't bring myself to check that particularly abysmal stat
Eleven defeats in last 18 league games. 4 wins. 3 draws.
So, 15 from the last 54 points?
I don't know what is worse. That record or the fact that Randy and the Boy Wonder will doubtless think he's doing a good job.
How is Faulkner still in a job?
Y'know Milliband and Clegg and Cameron? Greasy pole climbing, self serving politicians. Faulkner even looks like their threeway bastard love child. He has made the FA board. He does not care a jot about what actually happens to us with our team.
Threeway Bastard Lovechild - very funny.
The context much less so
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Lambert's thoughts "losing is normal"........Yep!! http://vocaroo.com/i/s0TYtnrQwI8Z (http://vocaroo.com/i/s0TYtnrQwI8Z)
Interviewer asking some tough questions.
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How is this shite any better than the last few years under Ellis?
Can somebody put an argument together outlining why because I am lost how some folk are sleep-walking into this disaster with the cub. I really cannot see how this is better. Or how this is acceptable.
The club is in a shitstorm. And has been for quite some time.
Oh, there's plenty who can Irish as you and I both know. I even had someone on the Lambert thread tell me all of his friends were happy with the moron in charge
Its very strange isn't it? Well, I think Aston Villa is bigger than the clowns calling the shots on and off the pitch though they have sadly all left a stain on it in the shape of worst defeats, worst points tally since 1992, worst home form in either games lost or games won. Take your pick.
Out.
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If you include Bacuna, he started the game with 4 fullbacks. 4 fucking fullbacks.
What tactical genius starts with Bertrand in midfield and leaves Sylla on the bench.
Now, I know Sylla ain't it, but fuck me, at least he's a midfielder, and we needed some presence against their midfield.
Oh, and top marks to Sidwell, I thought he was superb and looked the complete midfielder that he wasn't for us.
Lambert out !
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Sidwell was lucky to stay on the pitch. He would fit right in with Stoke under Pulis the dirty fucker.
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Lambert's thoughts "losing is normal"........Yep!! http://vocaroo.com/i/s0TYtnrQwI8Z (http://vocaroo.com/i/s0TYtnrQwI8Z)
Interviewer asking some tough questions.
Yeah i was thinking the same. The Interviewer wasn't holding back, good!
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If you include Bacuna, he started the game with 4 fullbacks. 4 fucking fullbacks.
What tactical genius starts with Bertrand in midfield and leaves Sylla on the bench.
Now, I know Sylla ain't it, but fuck me, at least he's a midfielder, and we needed some presence against their midfield.
Oh, and top marks to Sidwell, I thought he was superb and looked the complete midfielder that he wasn't for us.
Lambert out !
we have a way of making our ex players look like full internationals for Spain. It has to be a skill.
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Well done our clueless one. You have added another two unwanted records today, most ever league defeats at home in a season (10).Also, that was Fulham's first ever Premier league win at Villa Park, in fact it was their first league win at Villa Park in 41 years.
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Well done our clueless one. You have added another two unwanted records today, most ever league defeats at home in a season (10).Also, that was Fulham's first ever Premier league win at Villa Park, in fact it was their first league win at Villa Park in 41 years.
Fucking hell, it just gets worse and worse.
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Well done our clueless one. You have added another two unwanted records today, most ever league defeats at home in a season (10).Also, that was Fulham's first ever Premier league win at Villa Park, in fact it was their first league win at Villa Park in 41 years.
Fucking hell, it just gets worse and worse.
While that sounds awful, those stats always make me smile because they assume we played them twice a season for the last forty years, instead of being one or two leagues apart for the majority of the time. Having said that, they've been in the top flight for fifteen-odd years so it's still a cruddy record to break.
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Well done our clueless one. You have added another two unwanted records today, most ever league defeats at home in a season (10).Also, that was Fulham's first ever Premier league win at Villa Park, in fact it was their first league win at Villa Park in 41 years.
Fucking hell, it just gets worse and worse.
And yet cluelessness from the hierarchy and apathy from the stands means nothing will fucking change
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Well done our clueless one. You have added another two unwanted records today, most ever league defeats at home in a season (10).Also, that was Fulham's first ever Premier league win at Villa Park, in fact it was their first league win at Villa Park in 41 years.
Fucking hell, it just gets worse and worse.
While that sounds awful, those stats always make me smile because they assume we played them twice a season for the last forty years, instead of being one or two leagues apart for the majority of the time. Having said that, they've been in the top flight for fifteen-odd years so it's still a cruddy record to break.
It's the record number of home defeats that's the ball breaker.
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Only a clueless idiot like our manager could take Albrighton off and leave Wiemann on and replace him with Bowery instead of Robinson .One of them does not score goals and the other one scores them for fun .In his last two games Robinson has scored a couple of goals in both games .Any other manager would give Robinson a chance .
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As we arrived today so did the main contingent of subsidised Fulham fans - looking at their faces I saw hope and expectation - "We're playing the Villa, surely we can get something"...
Had to leave when Holt couldn't get the cross in on about 93 minutes as I was losing control and didn't want to make a tit of myself. Have not done that in 39 seasons.
I, at least, still try to maintain some dignity unlike this shower of shit I have watched for 2 seasons.
Thank God there are only two more 90 minute omnishambles to watch.
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Well done our clueless one. You have added another two unwanted records today, most ever league defeats at home in a season (10).Also, that was Fulham's first ever Premier league win at Villa Park, in fact it was their first league win at Villa Park in 41 years.
Fucking hell, it just gets worse and worse.
While that sounds awful, those stats always make me smile because they assume we played them twice a season for the last forty years, instead of being one or two leagues apart for the majority of the time. Having said that, they've been in the top flight for fifteen-odd years so it's still a cruddy record to break.
It's the record number of home defeats that's the ball breaker.
Dont worry nobody on the board has a pair.
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Fuck off lambert. I almost hope we drop now we've become one of those horrible shit teams that are taking up a place in the league when plenty of other teams deserve it more.
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As we arrived today so did the main contingent of subsidised Fulham fans - looking at their faces I saw hope and expectation - "We're playing the Villa, surely we can get something"...
Had to leave when Holt couldn't get the cross in on about 93 minutes as I was losing control and didn't want to make a tit of myself. Have not done that in 39 seasons.
I, at least, still try to maintain some dignity unlike this shower of shit I have watched for 2 seasons.
Thank God there are only two more 90 minute omnishambles to watch.
I hope to god they don't have the audacity to Lap the pitch at the end. We as the fans should make sure they do it in an empty stadium if they do try
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Don't normally post this early after a game, but that was truly appalling. Fulham simply wanted it more than we did and were better, and more organised than we were.
Looking likely that survival will only be on default, but we cannot keep pushing our luck year after year.
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As we arrived today so did the main contingent of subsidised Fulham fans - looking at their faces I saw hope and expectation - "We're playing the Villa, surely we can get something"...
Had to leave when Holt couldn't get the cross in on about 93 minutes as I was losing control and didn't want to make a tit of myself. Have not done that in 39 seasons.
I, at least, still try to maintain some dignity unlike this shower of shit I have watched for 2 seasons.
Thank God there are only two more 90 minute omnishambles to watch.
I hope to god they don't have the audacity to Lap the pitch at the end. We as the fans should make sure they do it in an empty stadium if they do try
The lap is meant to be for them to show appreciation to us for our support throughout the season so why shouldn't they?
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We got the result and perhaps more predictably, the performance I expected.
Lambert has a real problem with motivation, that much is clear. Sadly, you can couple that with questionable signings, tactics, substitutions, disorganized coaching, off the cuff set pieces, a stubbornness that's alienated just about every player we had with top level experience, a refusal to use the best of our youth while wasting money on substandard lower league dross, a refusal to get experience in areas where we've desperately needed it for two years, a powderpuff midfield, a parks standard defence and an attack with zero creativity- the list just goes on and on.
I don't need to repeat the records that Lambert has broken since he's been here, but I will emphasize that each and every one of them is negative. I would love to know the last time the league's bottom club did the double over us. Yet another to add to the list.
Look, I will hold my hands up here. I wanted Lambert. I thought he would be great for us. I was wrong.
I thought he was superior to both Rodgers and Martinez, who we could conceivably have taken instead. I was wrong about that too.
I thought Lambert was a better bet than Solksjaer. Mind you, I think I was right about that one....but it's a bloody close call right now.
Mr Faulkner - it's time to hold your hands up too.
This isn't working. I can't even say there are signs things will improve. There isn't a club in the league that wouldn't have acted by now.
If the unthinkable happens, it may be Lamberts fault, but you will certainly shoulder the blame for burying your head in the sand with your fingers crossed for the fourth year in a row.
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Yet another display of breathtaking ineptitude and it really is time for Lambert to do one. He is utterly clueless. Prime example - he buys Joe Bennett who turns out to be crap; he buys Tony Moon to replace him but it turns out he's pretty crap too; so he loans Ryan Bertrand from Chelsea who turns out to be quite good. So what does he do - play Bennett at left back and Bertrand in a role he's never played before in his entire career.
Today was yet another display which lacked energy, guile, skill or urgency, or even the basics, and that is all down to Lambert - he buys the players, he (or his team) trains them and he should be motivating them. Yes we were missing 3 key players and if they were playing I'm sure we'd have got a result, but this is his squad which he's had 2 years to build. All teams at this level will be hit by injuries and suspensions and others build a squad to accommodate that. But this squad is paper thin and full of players who simply aren't good enough to play at this level - that's why they were playing for clubs in the lower leagues. And his insurance policy for striker injury? An immobile has-been who can't get in Wigan's team. Brilliant. And when it comes to tactics what is the rabbit up his sleeve? With 3 minutes of added time to go he takes off one of our better players and brings on a rookie who hasn't scored for over 2 years. The man is simply out of his depth and if we don't go down this year we will next.
We all know we've set new records for the worst home results in any league, but the most depressing stat I heard on the way back today was that Fulham hadn't won a league game at Villa Park since 1973. I can't even be bothered to Google it to see if it's true
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Oh - one highlight - John Carew at half time.
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Well done our clueless one. You have added another two unwanted records today, most ever league defeats at home in a season (10).Also, that was Fulham's first ever Premier league win at Villa Park, in fact it was their first league win at Villa Park in 41 years.
Exactly. Add to that the unwanted records from last season and then the quite possible record of 9 consecutive defeats to end this season.
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Well done our clueless one. You have added another two unwanted records today, most ever league defeats at home in a season (10).Also, that was Fulham's first ever Premier league win at Villa Park, in fact it was their first league win at Villa Park in 41 years.
Exactly. Add to that the unwanted records from last season and then the quite possible record of 9 consecutive defeats to end this season.
That takes us to the championship.
An area where this current squad (Benteke excepted) and manager should be.
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Well put Mr Woo and CJ
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Went to the game today and it's hard to know where to start really. Clutching at straws but I thought Bacuna looked better further forward and the much maligned Grant Holt did OK. Lowton did OK on his return back to the side and Westwood was fairly steady throughout. There were some horror shows though, with Baker in particular being one of the worst. I lost count of the times his headed clearances went straight to an opposition player about ten yards away and how many times he was then subsequently caught out of position. I'm really beginning to think that he, along with a few others, just simply aren't good enough.
As for the rest of the season, I think we are simply reduced to hoping that those below us don't win enough games to catch us. I think unfortunately Paul Lambert has lost his way and it was noticeable how much time he spent sat down today. He of course is going to get hammered over the next couple of days, but he is only part of the problem in my opinion. In Lerner's continued absence, some serious questions need to be asked of Paul Faulkner, yet it seems no one in the local media is prepared to do that.
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I sat there today, looked at that team and just thought "that's the first XI that would start a midweek Second Round match in the League Cup".
I have to say, amongst all the horror that went on, Grant Holt gave a lesson on "leading the line" today. Held the ball up, scrapped for everything and never gave up, unlike the majority of others, Weimann and Bennett in particular who quite often jogged about they didn't give a flying fuck.
I wanted to stick by Lambert, but after today and that fucking substitution of Bowery for Albrighton, that's it. Enough now. - Lambert Out.
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Get the hell out of this club before we're in the third division
That's the way we're going
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My 42 year old next door neighbour died of a brain tumour today. Fuck the Villa. I'm sorry, wrong thread and all but, it's the way I feel.
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I missed the game today,what was the reaction from the crowd at the final whistle,any "Lambert out" chanting ?
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Any boos from our side were drowned by the cheering from 3000 Fulham fans. In any case there were not many left at the whistle.
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I missed the game today,what was the reaction from the crowd at the final whistle,any "Lambert out" chanting ?
A lot had left by the final whistle. I was sat in the North Stand and there was a bit of booing, but nothing major. From where I was sat, there seemed to be something going on in the left side of the lower Holte in the first half with quite a few stewards in there.
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There were a few 'Lambert Out' chants in the Upper Holte. Didn't really catch on but a lot of people by me were saying much the same thing (i.e. 'Fuck off Lambert') - and won't be renewing if Lambert is there next season
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"Lambert out" from the Lower Holte too, louder than I've heard it before. As recently as yesterday I was arguing on here that he should be given a bit more time. After today's truly awful performance I'm losing patience
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So poor in the second half. They made their two changes and really gave it a go and we didn't react for a long time.
I struggle to think how Sidwell stayed in the pitch, committing foul after foul.
Such a soft goal to concede, and despite having a number of chances ourselves, Fulham probably deserved it. The home form in all it's stupidity rumbles on.
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Post match interview. No we go again. No blaming injuries. Worse than that. Cannot explain home form and there is no rocket science solution. Well. We all understand the very basics of playing football, so please leave.
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Oh - one highlight - John Carew at half time.
I get the impression that its good to be John Carew.
Other highlights for me were a pre-match meet up with the Rocket Reducer and the first half Lower Trinity wanderings of a lost and pissed up lady supporter.
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I knew it was going to be bad when just before kick off I watched Lowton trying to stamp on a balloon to burst it, and missed......twice.
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We have lost our self respect as a club, yet again the away fans having a ball at our expense and humiliating us for the tenth time this season ( plus 2 dreadful cup exits )
What will it take to awake the passion in us as fans? We either don't go any more or lamely accept this utter crap and file out in droves to the "is there a fire drill" chant ringing in our ears.
Time to revolt lads and lasses as our club is dying in front of our eyes .
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Yet another display of breathtaking ineptitude and it really is time for Lambert to do one. He is utterly clueless. Prime example - he buys Joe Bennett who turns out to be crap; he buys Tony Moon to replace him but it turns out he's pretty crap too; so he loans Ryan Bertrand from Chelsea who turns out to be quite good. So what does he do - play Bennett at left back and Bertrand in a role he's never played before in his entire career.
Today was yet another display which lacked energy, guile, skill or urgency, or even the basics, and that is all down to Lambert - he buys the players, he (or his team) trains them and he should be motivating them. Yes we were missing 3 key players and if they were playing I'm sure we'd have got a result, but this is his squad which he's had 2 years to build. All teams at this level will be hit by injuries and suspensions and others build a squad to accommodate that. But this squad is paper thin and full of players who simply aren't good enough to play at this level - that's why they were playing for clubs in the lower leagues. And his insurance policy for striker injury? An immobile has-been who can't get in Wigan's team. Brilliant. And when it comes to tactics what is the rabbit up his sleeve? With 3 minutes of added time to go he takes off one of our better players and brings on a rookie who hasn't scored for over 2 years. The man is simply out of his depth and if we don't go down this year we will next.
We all know we've set new records for the worst home results in any league, but the most depressing stat I heard on the way back today was that Fulham hadn't won a league game at Villa Park since 1973. I can't even be bothered to Google it to see if it's true
This
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Just home in a state of shock. I can't think constructively. My mind is a horrible collage of painful things. Sitting for two hours all the way home with my much loved son both unable to speak a word to each other. Holte Lower faction chanting "Lerner Out". Lads and lasses around where we sit all as pig sick as each other. "Why the f*ck is he bringing Bowery on?" "Why is he taking Albrighton off?" "Four minutes to play and he is making a substitution" "Why can't Baker pass to one of his own men?" "Why are they jogging with the ball instead of running flat out with it?" "Why does Guzan keep hoofing the ball?"
The sum total of all this horrible stuff is that that was as bad a performance as any I have seen under DOL, MON, Houllier or TSM and probably Vic Crowe, Tommy Docherty, Billy McNeill, Dr Venglos or Graham Turner.
I texted Damon at 6.30 this morning and said if we lose today the problem is that the owner and the CEO will see it as something to be addressed. Neither of them has any love for the Villa. They feel no pain at a performance like that just something to have a look at fixing on Monday morning if anything needs fixing at all they would add.
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Just home in a state of shock. I can't think constructively. My mind is a horrible collage of painful things. Sitting for two hours all the way home with my much loved son both unable to speak a word to each other. Holte Lower faction chanting "Lerner Out". Lads and lasses around where we sit all as pig sick as each other. "Why the f*ck is he bringing Bowery on?" "Why is he taking Albrighton off?" "Four minutes to play and he is making a substitution" "Why can't Baker pass to one of his own men?" "Why are they jogging with the ball instead of running flat out with it?" "Why does Guzan keep hoofing the ball?"
The sum total of all this horrible stuff is that that was as bad a performance as any I have seen under DOL, MON, Houllier or TSM and probably Vic Crowe, Tommy Docherty, Billy McNeill, Dr Venglos or Graham Turner.
I texted Damon at 6.30 this morning and said if we lose today the problem is that the owner and the CEO will see it as something to be addressed. Neither of them has any love for the Villa. They feel no pain at a performance like that just something to have a look at fixing on Monday morning if anything needs fixing at all they would add.
Yep.
I was reminded of a string of performances under Tommy Cummings.
Ghastly beyond all endurance and probably a form of torture.
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I had had selective protective amnesia from those Tommy Cummings games 'Chrome. Talk about Hammer House of Horrors.
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Just back, Another insipid display at home and not even any Zorb racing at HT
Shocking
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I had had selective protective amnesia from those Tommy Cummings games 'Chrome. Talk about Hammer House of Horrors.
Me too. Truly shocking times, clueless board and an even more clueless manager. This has been a really shocking day today for more reasons than one. I can't seem to shake this impending feeling of doom. I really need the optimists to keep posting, please.
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Just home in a state of shock. I can't think constructively. My mind is a horrible collage of painful things. Sitting for two hours all the way home with my much loved son both unable to speak a word to each other. Holte Lower faction chanting "Lerner Out". Lads and lasses around where we sit all as pig sick as each other. "Why the f*ck is he bringing Bowery on?" "Why is he taking Albrighton off?" "Four minutes to play and he is making a substitution" "Why can't Baker pass to one of his own men?" "Why are they jogging with the ball instead of running flat out with it?" "Why does Guzan keep hoofing the ball?"
Brian, do you post on Villa Talk as R.I.C.O as your posts are almost word for word identical?
The sum total of all this horrible stuff is that that was as bad a performance as any I have seen under DOL, MON, Houllier or TSM and probably Vic Crowe, Tommy Docherty, Billy McNeill, Dr Venglos or Graham Turner.
I texted Damon at 6.30 this morning and said if we lose today the problem is that the owner and the CEO will see it as something to be addressed. Neither of them has any love for the Villa. They feel no pain at a performance like that just something to have a look at fixing on Monday morning if anything needs fixing at all they would add.
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I started to write my view on the team / today's performance but I think the follow sums it all up. FUCK IT.
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We have lost our self respect as a club, yet again the away fans having a ball at our expense and humiliating us for the tenth time this season ( plus 2 dreadful cup exits )
What will it take to awake the passion in us as fans? We either don't go any more or lamely accept this utter crap and file out in droves to the "is there a fire drill" chant ringing in our ears.
Time to revolt lads and lasses as our club is dying in front of our eyes .
Trouble is there is little constructive we can do - A march? Banners? Not coming up to our seats until 15minutes after ko? Chanting? All requires organisation and would be belittled by many on here as "small time".
Pay up, turn up, shut up seems to be the mantra.
I won't renew now and neither will others but the £90m will roll in and Randy has no idea what is going on.
Fuck off Lambert the Villa is ours...
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Virtually the entire playing squad are mentally weak, perhaps because they're kids, perhaps because they know they haven't got the skill required for this level, who knows.
When there's absolutely no expectation or pressure on them (eg Arsenal away, Chelsea and Citeh at home, Liverpool) they can turn it on but when the pressure is on them to get results they fold like a deckchair.
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1 point better off than at same stage last season. Amazing improvement.
This time last season we were on a roll.
At this time this season, we are in freefall.
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I can not add any more then that has already been written by many posters. I am truly in a state of shock.
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The club as a whole needs a massive shake up of titantic proportions. We need someone with capital and fresh progressive ideas. A Richard Branson type if you like. Otherwise we are going to drift quietly into the Championship without anyone in the football world noticing or even worse caring.
Randy Lerner needs to say something even if it is 'have a nice day guys'. Anything to prove he is still alive and kicking.
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We were poor and directionless today but I've seen us worse this season. Which is a damning indictment indeed....
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Lambert is starting to make some really odd calls now - yes worse than usual
Six defenders in the starting line up
Two full backs in midfield
One large isolated immobile front man and a team instructed to hoof
Bowery is back on the bench
Crazy times
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I am reminded of the last words of Kenneth Williams. 'What's the point..whats the bloody point' Seems to sum up our club at the moment.
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Ron, I thought Kenneth Williams last words would suit PL perfectly "Infamy! Infamy! They've all got it Infamy!"
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Just got in from a 320 mile round trip from essex to vp and back way up full of hope and optimism. Thing is I just couldn't believe some of the totally brain dead decisions the players were doing.
Why oh why don't our full backs exploit the space in front of them or peel off and away to accept the ball from guzan in the way messrs gidman Gibson swain and who ever did to then put defence into attack ??????
Why was albrighton continually at least 10-15 yards from the linesman which means he is that far from there full back, when he should be on his shoulder because mark you are fucking winger
Weimann- won't even go there the words headless and chicken spring to mind
Literally I would keep guzan and vlaar from that team the rest put em on ebay with no reserve.
I really think we are in a worse spot than last season
Always stood up for lambert on here but after that team and performance I really am losing it
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Another good post as always Brian .The only time i can remember Villa being as bad as this, was the season under Tommy Docherty/Vic Crowe when we were relegated to the third division
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We are below Stoke, Hull and West Ham. This is a very, very poor side. The worst I have seen in the 40 years I have been watching. Lambert is very poor too. I think the very least expected of any Villa Manager should be to get the club to 40 points. We are in freefall and the goal difference is also steadily getting worse.
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I'm not sure why people are 'in a state of shock'
Being in shock implies that something unexpected has happened and quite honestly that couldn't be further from the truth. Our current predicament is a result of a several seasons of decline, bad decisions, poor appointments and a spectacular lack of leadership.
I suspect that Lambert will deliver exactly what Randy tasked him with - keeping us in the league on a budget.
The real concern and something that is clear to most of us regulars is that the path we are following can only end in one thing - relegation.
Furthermore season ticket holders at Villa Park are probably receiving the worst value for money (on the pitch) of any fans in the PL adding to the pain and frustration of supporting this team. I know things have been bad before i remember many of them and also many of the poor managers we have previously endured.
What I'm really struggling with this time around is that I can't see a way out whilst we are under the current ownership.
I've had two calls this week from Villa Park trying to get me to renew my ST - I very nearly did it on Thursday evening but something stopped me. I honestly can't decide if the 200 mile round trip to be so continually let down is something I want to keep doing !
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I've had two calls this week from Villa Park trying to get me to renew my ST - I very nearly did it on Thursday evening but something stopped me. I honestly can't decide if the 200 mile round trip to be so continually let down is something I want to keep doing !
You're a stronger man than me. The way I feel at the moment my 20 mile round trip is something I won't want to be doing next season..
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The difference then pooli was that we knew we were shit. Each and every one of us knew it. We got our heads down and did the pain. Now, in 2014 under this manager we can't even agree unanimously that we are shit. Being shit has been replaced by "under funded" "plagued by injuries" "not properly coached" "very young side" "lacking in experience" "lacking in leadership" "absence of tactical nous". We are a shit team, with a shit manager, getting shit results but it upsets a lot of other Villa fans to say so, so you should not do it so I don't.
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I'm a ST holder and really didn't fancy it today having knackered myself out mowing the lawn and walking the dogs. However I found the energy to go and what a bloody mistake it was .
Unless things change I'm not renewing.
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Virtually the entire playing squad are mentally weak, perhaps because they're kids, perhaps because they know they haven't got the skill required for this level, who knows.
When there's absolutely no expectation or pressure on them (eg Arsenal away, Chelsea and Citeh at home, Liverpool) they can turn it on but when the pressure is on them to get results they fold like a deckchair.
You know, I think this is a brilliant point you have made.
This all backs into the 'lack of experience and nous' argument many have been making for nearly 2 years.
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I was lucky enough to take my match tickets back yesterday.
We went after Lambert and got him. One would assume they knew of his footballing nous prior to employing him? But there is the rub. The club has no footballing nous. Even if Randy and his puppet Faulkner were to sack Lambert, would they ask the next manager the all important question how do you play your football?
I hate to say it - but Doug was on the ball.
We have a huge, wide playing surface at Villa and we play narrow, which is unforgiveable. Even DOL played a winger. But for me the most upsetting factor is the sad fact that 2 years ago we won the 'Nextgen' in Italy. Where are these players now? Lambert has failed to bring any youngsters through yet signs players of questionable ability.
Perhaps the kids play a certain system under Sir Gordan where the ball is allowed to be rolled out to the full back and play created from there. Maybe Lambert doesn't like that. A system where players are played in their rightful postition. 4-3-1-2 is fine for Barcelona. Lowton and Baccuna will never be Danny Alves. Weimann no Messi, but he is a finisher!
We do not need 11 men in our box to mark space to defend a corner.
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I'm not buying this 'kids' excuse. It's not like we have a side full of 17 and 18 year olds. And if the number of kids in the team is causing us a problem then we should not have packed the squad with so many of them in the first place.
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So very true what you say Brian. As sure as night follows day,if you dare say anything that upsets some villa fans on here, they are soon on to you .Why, some of them are even giving Richard Moore stick for saying it as it is .
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The thing is, we are not full of kids. Baker has played 65 games, wiemann nearly 90, it just doesn't wash any more. Some inexperience maybe, but that was a choice of Lambert with his purchases.
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The amount of clubs doing the double over us this season already wouldn't surprise me if it's another new depressing record set or nearing it.
My mate saw the line up today and now he's £100 richer. I'm tempted to stick £20 on a home win next Saturday, surely we can't lose 4 in a row. Scrap that we did in December to exactly the same teams we've just lost to.
Easy money.
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We are shit. No argument for me.
The team that was bottom of the league this morning has (deservedly) done the double over us, we've won 5 out of 17 at home all season. That in itself is a shocking statistic.
I feel that the manager needs to be relieved of his duties in the summer. The trouble is the custodian is probably incabable of making the correct decision regarding a suitable replacement.
I honestly think we are fucked. Not necessarily this season, but next we are in serious trouble. Meanwhile, the custodian has slashed costs in a reckless manner but as long as we stay in the premier league, as far as he's concerned its job done.
Doesn't a famous old club like Aston Villa deserve better than this shite?
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So very true what you say Brian. As sure as night follows day,if you dare say anything that upsets some villa fans on here, they are soon on to you .Why, some of them are even giving Richard Moore stick for saying it as it is .
Good isn't, I usually just get ignored on here by, well, let's not go there shall we. So it's a nice change to get a load of stick for saying it as it is. I've been getting it for a few weeks now from the cognoscenti
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So very true what you say Brian. As sure as night follows day,if you dare say anything that upsets some villa fans on here, they are soon on to you .Why, some of them are even giving Richard Moore stick for saying it as it is .
Good isn't, I usually just get ignored on here by, well, let's not go there shall we. So it's a nice change to get a load of stick for saying it as it is. I've been getting it for a few weeks now from the cognoscenti
Same here.
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Do you what I dislike most of all?
Turner was binned after 2 and a bit years (a few monthd too late). And was replaced by The Antichrist McNeill. Both were sacked though.
But at least that gave us a chance at renewal - maybe like in late 60's after DocBollocks and co (I wasn't around).
And renew we did.
We have no chance and I mean no chance of doing that under the current regime because they don't see anything wrong.
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Carew loved having a microphone is his hand, didn't he? Felt like he was going on for ages. Didn't hear a word of what he said though!
Shit game. Lambert out please.
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The difference then pooli was that we knew we were shit. Each and every one of us knew it. We got our heads down and did the pain. Now, in 2014 under this manager we can't even agree unanimously that we are shit. Being shit has been replaced by "under funded" "plagued by injuries" "not properly coached" "very young side" "lacking in experience" "lacking in leadership" "absence of tactical nous". We are a shit team, with a shit manager, getting shit results but it upsets a lot of other Villa fans to say so, so you should not do it so I don't.
It's much more entertaining if you come right out and say it Brian; I've had the best fun in ages on here tonight, I've never been so 'not ignored' on H and V by the 'cognoscenti' in years. I'm not sure I can cope with people replying to my posts, it's all a bit new for me...
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The difference then pooli was that we knew we were shit. Each and every one of us knew it. We got our heads down and did the pain. Now, in 2014 under this manager we can't even agree unanimously that we are shit. Being shit has been replaced by "under funded" "plagued by injuries" "not properly coached" "very young side" "lacking in experience" "lacking in leadership" "absence of tactical nous". We are a shit team, with a shit manager, getting shit results but it upsets a lot of other Villa fans to say so, so you should not do it so I don't.
It's much more entertaining if you come right out and say it Brian; I've had the best fun in ages on here tonight, I've never been so 'not ignored' on H and V by the 'cognoscenti' in years. I'm not sure I can cope with people replying to my posts, it's all a bit new for me...
This has been fun for you?
I only speak for myself, but I hate it.
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The difference then pooli was that we knew we were shit. Each and every one of us knew it. We got our heads down and did the pain. Now, in 2014 under this manager we can't even agree unanimously that we are shit. Being shit has been replaced by "under funded" "plagued by injuries" "not properly coached" "very young side" "lacking in experience" "lacking in leadership" "absence of tactical nous". We are a shit team, with a shit manager, getting shit results but it upsets a lot of other Villa fans to say so, so you should not do it so I don't.
It's much more entertaining if you come right out and say it Brian; I've had the best fun in ages on here tonight, I've never been so 'not ignored' on H and V by the 'cognoscenti' in years. I'm not sure I can cope with people replying to my posts, it's all a bit new for me...
This has been fun for you?
I only speak for myself, but I hate it.
Me too. If I knew it was this much fun to be following a struggling side all of these years I'd have switched allegiance and followed one of the teams down the road. I despise how things have been over the past few years, and how things appear to be shaping up again.
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Lerner, please sell now and take that fucking mardy faced mumbling fucking twat with you.
And could the new owner / manager sack the defence and start again.
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When we equalized I knew we'd still lose. Most of the players were accidents waiting to happen today. Funnily enough the only one to emerge with any credit it my eyes is Holt, and possibly Lowton for the goal line clearence.
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When we equalized I knew we'd still lose. Most of the players were accidents waiting to happen today. Funnily enough the only one to emerge with any credit it my eyes is Holt, and possibly Lowton for the goal line clearence.
Agree that Holt did his job but he is very limited - we tried to play today but were woefully lacking - couldn't just lump it to Tekkers - the decision-making was awful
I found our shitness amusing for the first half of the season, then worrying, now infuriating.
Coach them you idiots! Show them what to do! Where's Sid for God's sake?
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Plus side of the day was meeting John Russell and Dante (both again), Rocket Reducer and Doorbell. Pleasure meeting you all as always.
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The thing is, we are not full of kids. Baker has played 65 games, wiemann nearly 90, it just doesn't wash any more. Some inexperience maybe, but that was a choice of Lambert with his purchases.
Yet he still makes the kind of mistakes he was making in his first few appearances. That stat sums up the last couple of years for me.
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The thing is, we are not full of kids. Baker has played 65 games, wiemann nearly 90, it just doesn't wash any more. Some inexperience maybe, but that was a choice of Lambert with his purchases.
Yet he still makes the kind of mistakes he was making in his first few appearances. That stat sums up the last couple of years for me.
And after 65 games hes hardly going to get any better
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Baker's dreadful, not improved or ever looks like he could.
Mid table Champioship player at best.
The epitome of our squad.
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Baker is destined to make a career at Milwall or some equal trash
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It's painful to say but Fulham have better (or should i say more proffessional players)than we do. At this moment without Benteke we are the worst team in the league with the weakest squad, if we were halfway through the season we would be going down and i am not sure unlike others that we are safe. This is Lamberts team and Lamberts players there are no excuses left. When you look at how much Lambert spent in the summer it was far and above most of our rivals so we can't use the lack of money excuse. I'm sick of the managerial merry go round but right now i would sack him on the spot.
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It's painful to say but Fulham have better (or should i say more proffessional players)than we do. At this moment without Benteke we are the worst team in the league with the weakest squad, if we were halfway through the season we would be going down and i am not sure unlike others that we are safe. This is Lamberts team and Lamberts players there are no excuses left. When you look at how much Lambert spent in the summer it was far and above most of our rivals so we can't use the lack of money excuse. I'm sick of the managerial merry go round but right now i would sack him on the spot.
A few made a bit of a deal about Holtby before the game and how we really missed the boat on him. First half I didn't see the fuss. Second half he was very good and honestly, we lack a player like him. The right winger they bought on (can't remember his name) also did well and got a lot of joy on our left side. As per normal, Lambert did nothing in the game to try and counter that. Much like when Ben Arfa spent a whole game murdering Tony Moon.
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Baker is destined to make a career at Milwall or some equal trash
This.
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Dejagah is the right winger they brought on. And yeah, Holtby ran the show in the second half.
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I hate to be a smug ****** but I've been saying since last January and gettinghammered for it that Lambert is winging it. We went on a good final relegation run but by and large for 70 games we've been utter bollocks for £40m quid. No shape, no style, no tactics no game plan. 90% of it has been utter shit. We went on a roll for 10 games and survived and I was delighted, I hate seeing us this poor, started going down in 88 seen some cracking sides under Big Ron and Little and some decent sides aswell I really want us t win and get better and I hate slating him but under Paul Lambert we are going only one way.
There is no passion at the club, they are all winging it. We need a lift a big lift in the summer, someone to come in and shake things up. We are breaking to many bad records year on year now. We need to stop the rot. We need a big personality, who knows he belong on the big stage to come in and ake the changes.
Sick and tired of year after year of tedium now. Sorry for the rant.
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To kill the passion and love many of us have in this great team is the biggest crime under the current regime. That is what I find hardest to bear, especially reading the posts of long standing fans on here and chatting during a pre match pint with those who have claret and blue running through their veins. It is a sort of self preservation in that we cannot take any more pain so say we have had enough but we all know how we will always feel about our club. The fact that poor results have now become the norm means that we have nearly become immune to defeats.
Earlier today I found myself smiling when I heard the blose were losing and was gutted to realise how small time that was. Frankly, I never gave much of a toss about them but the fact I was gutted to hear they won spoke volumes.
I want to return to times when I am proud of my team if they win lose or draw because they have passion on the field with a history to uphold. I also have no idea how so-called fan Randy can live with himself. Even if the plan is to sell this is hardly treading f***ing water is it?
I love the villa as did my dad before me and my daughter now who enjoyed her first visit to a live game Boxing Day (including a cheeky visit to the Aston Tavern). I love the fact that we support a proper club and I want us all to feel bloody proud again!
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If today's performance was a rarity you could put it down to the injuries. Any side missing its first, second and third choice strikers, it's best midfielder by a mile, another regular starting midfielder as well as a highly promising central defender and a near £10m winger would almost certainly be below par. Problem is even when most of them play we are still under par too often.
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I am a fan of Westwood and stuck up for him, but WTF was he doing for their second goal?
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If today's performance was a rarity you could put it down to the injuries. Any side missing its first, second and third choice strikers, it's best midfielder by a mile, another regular starting midfielder as well as a highly promising central defender and a near £10m winger would almost certainly be below par. Problem is even when most of them play we are still under par too often.
That's it.
It's not as if the reality when we don't have such injury problems is any better.
Today was a horrible home league defeat. That alone isn't the problem. The problem is that we'd already had nine of them, and we also had nine last season.
Ten home league defeats for the first time in our history, for a club which has been around 140 years. That's shocking, and it's nothing to do with today's team being injury depleted.
The television coverage panned across our bench at one point, and it was just utterly shocking. A near complete lack of quality both there and on the pitch.
I really, really wanted Lambert to work out, and last season there were reasons to be cheered despite abysmal results. This season, though, there aren't any. Certainly not that I can spot.
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I am a fan of Westwood and stuck up for him, but WTF was he doing for their second goal?
Probably pointing again.
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I am a fan of Westwood and stuck up for him, but WTF was he doing for their second goal?
We fucked up clearing it at least twice, both sides of the pitch. They really need to learn that sometimes Row Z actually is the best option.
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As mentioned already the sub of Albrighton for Bowery again proves how limited Lambert is.Its just like Bradford , lump on all your strikers with no regard for having players on pitch to supply them !
Then you have to question why Bowery who hasn't scored at any level for Villa is coming on ahead of Robinson who has been banging them in for the under 21st.
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That was the same at Man United. We constantly seem to clear the ball to the opposition. We need the quality we have out injured back and then some more besides that in midfield and defence.
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As mentioned already the sub of Albrighton for Bowery again proves how limited Lambert is.Its just like Bradford , lump on all your strikers with no regard for having players on pitch to supply them !
Then you have to question why Bowery who hasn't scored at any level for Villa is coming on ahead of Robinson who has been banging them in for the under 21st.
I was on my way out the ground when I looked at the screen in the concourse and saw Bowery coming on. I sped up.
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That was the same at Man United. We constantly seem to clear the ball to the opposition. We need the quality we have out injured back and then some more besides that in midfield and defence.
The first sentence, I agree with entirely, today was a particularly good example of that, it went on the whole game.
The second sentence, yes, the injured players returning will help, but really, that's a problem we have had all season, regardless of whether they have been available.
I am starting to wonder whether he has lost the dressing room or something. Too often we put out a side and we think "fuck, that doesn't look too promising" and then they go out there and turn in a performance even worse than we expected - today was horrible, but really, was anyone really surprised?
That thing with Bowery coming on at 90 minutes today. Honestly, I felt like pulling my fucking head off or something. When you are the losing side, you don't make a sub on 90 fucking minutes. And you don't take off your only half threatening player. And having done so, you don't bring on someone like Bowery.
I know it's a small thing to focus on, but I think for me that was the moment I truly totally lost it with Lambert.
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I am a fan of Westwood and stuck up for him, but WTF was he doing for their second goal?
We fucked up clearing it at least twice, both sides of the pitch. They really need to learn that sometimes Row Z actually is the best option.
They don't learn though. Most of the players have been making the same mistakes for 2 years now and not improving. They never will. Because they aren't good enough.
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If today's performance was a rarity you could put it down to the injuries. Any side missing its first, second and third choice strikers, it's best midfielder by a mile, another regular starting midfielder as well as a highly promising central defender and a near £10m winger would almost certainly be below par. Problem is even when most of them play we are still under par too often.
Nailed it. My initial, charitable analysis of this afternoon's efforts was that it was far from our first choice starting XI. The less charitable analysis is that the players who took part today were players endorsed by Lambert whether inherited or purchased.
A couple of weeks ago I thought we were safe simply because the laws of averages suggested that we would amass sufficient points from our remaining games to steer clear but I honesly can't envisage getting another point thisd season and am praying nobody in the bottom three overtakes us in the next six weeks
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If today's performance was a rarity you could put it down to the injuries. Any side missing its first, second and third choice strikers, it's best midfielder by a mile, another regular starting midfielder as well as a highly promising central defender and a near £10m winger would almost certainly be below par. Problem is even when most of them play we are still under par too often.
Great excuse for the 10th home defeat of the season, but what about the other 9?
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If today's performance was a rarity you could put it down to the injuries. Any side missing its first, second and third choice strikers, it's best midfielder by a mile, another regular starting midfielder as well as a highly promising central defender and a near £10m winger would almost certainly be below par. Problem is even when most of them play we are still under par too often.
Great excuse for the 10th home defeat of the season, but what about the other 9?
Isn't that the point PWS was making? That's how I read it anyway. Hard to disagree.
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If today's performance was a rarity you could put it down to the injuries. Any side missing its first, second and third choice strikers, it's best midfielder by a mile, another regular starting midfielder as well as a highly promising central defender and a near £10m winger would almost certainly be below par. Problem is even when most of them play we are still under par too often.
Great excuse for the 10th home defeat of the season, but what about the other 9?
Covered by the last sentence. So it wasn't an excuse.
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by and large for 70 games we've been utter bollocks
This single line sums up the Lambert era. We've kidded ourselves with the occasional good performances but they are the freak results. The norm is shit. I don't know what the answer is but it's not you Paul. Please go.
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I am a fan of Westwood and stuck up for him, but WTF was he doing for their second goal?
We fucked up clearing it at least twice, both sides of the pitch. They really need to learn that sometimes Row Z actually is the best option.
I am a fan of Westwood and stuck up for him, but WTF was he doing for their second goal?
We fucked up clearing it at least twice, both sides of the pitch. They really need to learn that sometimes Row Z actually is the best option.
Even that bluenose Kevin Francis could have brought that ball under control FFS :)
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If today's performance was a rarity you could put it down to the injuries. Any side missing its first, second and third choice strikers, it's best midfielder by a mile, another regular starting midfielder as well as a highly promising central defender and a near £10m winger would almost certainly be below par. Problem is even when most of them play we are still under par too often.
Great excuse for the 10th home defeat of the season, but what about the other 9?
Covered by the last sentence. So it wasn't an excuse.
Apologies.
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If today's performance was a rarity you could put it down to the injuries. Any side missing its first, second and third choice strikers, it's best midfielder by a mile, another regular starting midfielder as well as a highly promising central defender and a near £10m winger would almost certainly be below par. Problem is even when most of them play we are still under par too often.
Great excuse for the 10th home defeat of the season, but what about the other 9?
Covered by the last sentence. So it wasn't an excuse.
Apologies.
No worries and accepted.
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Lambert needs a goal in the final few minutes, so takes off one of the hardest working, most influential players of the game, and sticks someone on that has done jack shit since he signed! The bloke is an idiot.
you could not make it up and leaves weimann on .
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Does anyone seriously think we have a prayer of seeing him sacked?
Even though it is almost certain that through statistics alone he will have taken us backwards with more money than last year.
Unless something changes drastically this is only going to end one way us going down next season or the one after that.
If people dont buy season tickets , RL will have to pull the trigger . Would you pay to watch 10 home defeats again or even more
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As soon as it went to 2-1 (probably even when we equalised) i'd have taken off either Holt (knackered) or Weimann for Robinson. Give them something different to worry about. When we ran at them was when we seemed to cause them problems.
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10 defeats at home and still Lambert is in charge of the Villa. How much more humiliation is this man going to inflict on our club?
LAMBERT OUT!!
11 including sheff utd - should have been sacked after that game
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Our home record truly is scandalous and especially as it is something Lambert addressed about improving when he arrived at the club. He couldn't have got it any more wrong.
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10 defeats at home and still Lambert is in charge of the Villa. How much more humiliation is this man going to inflict on our club?
LAMBERT OUT!!
11 including sheff utd - should have been sacked after that game
12 including the hammering from Spurs in the cup. We made Lemela and Holtby look fucking awesome that night, and still did not have a clue how to handle Holtby again!
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12 actually JP you forgot spuds at home in the league cup
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Westwood was fairly steady throughout.
He gave the ball back to Fulham before they scored the second goal . awful , mind most of the players did .
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Last season we ended the season really well and I was really looking forward to this one as I thought we'd carry it on. How wrong can you be? Maybe if we end the season badly we'll start strongly next? Ok I'm clutching at straws
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12 actually JP you forgot spuds at home in the league cup
tried to forget it ;(
I heard Lambert on the radio when the interviewer said they booed you at the end ?
he replied they normally do
wtf - someone sort this club out
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Last season we ended the season really well and I was really looking forward to this one as I thought we'd carry it on. How wrong can you be? Maybe if we end the season badly we'll start strongly next? Ok I'm clutching at straws
he added all his new players too in the summer . Dire
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Westwood was fairly steady throughout.
He gave the ball back to Fulham before they scored the second goal . awful , mind most of the players did .
In my defence I posted after the game and from where I was sat in the North Stand, Westwood's mistake did not look as nearly as bad as it did on the TV. I would like to alter my original post to "Aside from the terrible mistake which cost us a goal and the game, Westwood was fairly steady throughout".
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I didn't get angry during the game as it was pretty much what I've come to expect.
The only positive I can take from today is this can't continue and something has to change.
Regardless of whatever happens between now and the end of the season we need a change in the summer.
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I think when you start to purchase players from Chesterfield, Crewe, Middlesborough and Sheffield Utd, the writing is on the wall.
You don't see any football clubs who are having success buying young British lower league players any more because they're simply not good enough and of the very very small few that are they usually come through the ranks.
Quite simply if the pool of players you're buying from come from the Championship, League one...we will eventually have a team that is only capable of playing in these divisions.
The majority of blame for me lies with Lerner, who bought the club and now realises he can't meet the finances that come with owning a club like ours, who has employed the wrong man nearly every single time. And the rest of the blame goes to Lambert who seems to be coaching our squad without the use of a football.
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Disappointed to be proven wrong but I'll concede it now. I've been a backer of Lambert's for a while but that's it for me. This job's a tricky one, has been since the late 80's, to get a former giant to move onto bigger and better things. GT did well despite purse strings and I thought the same for Paul Lambert, believed actually, but this is just pure stiff shit.
Lerner has been great on so many levels but it's time now for the both of them.
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When Tonev actually hit the target with one of his usual "efforts" I was prepared to say he had his least abysmal game for us...
...then I saw who was "watching" up close (twice!) when Fulham was allowed to cross that ball for the winner. All that resting on bench must be exhausting
as he cant be bothered to put any pressure on the ball.... How Petrov could recommend this one is beyond me.
Oh well.
Norwich has about 3 points to play for (against Fulham) , Albion got 6 ...surely it cant all land on the wrong side for us this season?
Its also noteworthy that Place and Hull who both really recruited actively and smart in January, are now looking at relegation in the rear mirror.
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Just when I tell myself it can't get any worse they go and surprise me. Again.
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Totally disappointed.
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Asking why he took Albrighton off for Bowery, it looked to me like it happened as Albrighton was the closest Villa player to the bench, that's how professional we have become under this clown, looking on the bright side at least it wasn't Guzan as he would have had him off to.
His buys are on the whole a disaster, his coaching is non-existent, his motivational skills appear to be of a zero rating and too many times the answer on here is, well cant trust that clown Faulkner to appoint anyone better.
Randy you are bringing our club down to it's knees.
Randy has the options on his side, we are his plaything.But in Britain we have a saying, if it smells like shit, and it looks like shit, good bet it is shit, that is what we have become.
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Like a few others I have been getting calls from the club in the last week re renewing season tickets. Whilst minded not to renew (320 mile round trip) I hadn't made my mind up - TILL YESTERDAY. If either Lambert or Lerner are still at the club after the summer I won't renew. I WILL still support the club and make a number of games but based on performance. To commit 1500 quid for three tickets when the club don't seem to give a shit is a step too far. Go please asap
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That was the same at Man United. We constantly seem to clear the ball to the opposition. We need the quality we have out injured back and then some more besides that in midfield and defence.
The first sentence, I agree with entirely, today was a particularly good example of that, it went on the whole game.
The second sentence, yes, the injured players returning will help, but really, that's a problem we have had all season, regardless of whether they have been available.
I am starting to wonder whether he has lost the dressing room or something. Too often we put out a side and we think "fuck, that doesn't look too promising" and then they go out there and turn in a performance even worse than we expected - today was horrible, but really, was anyone really surprised?
That thing with Bowery coming on at 90 minutes today. Honestly, I felt like pulling my fucking head off or something. When you are the losing side, you don't make a sub on 90 fucking minutes. And you don't take off your only half threatening player. And having done so, you don't bring on someone like Bowery.
I know it's a small thing to focus on, but I think for me that was the moment I truly totally lost it with Lambert.
What he thought was Bowery's tall and physical he might just nod one of Marc Albrightons crosses in. Then somebody must have mentioned
that he had just taken Albrighton off. Lambert put his head in his hands...and missed!
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Another thing - Helenius. Anyone know the story. Why when we are so bereft of strikers can he not even make the bench?
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Someone please make that Albrighton sub more understandable by saying that he took a slight knock and had to come off.
I thought we ok going forward but absolutely dreadful at the back. What makes it worse that we could and should have been 3-1 down before they even scored their winner.
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What was the point in bringing on Bowery in the 90th minute? Lambert truly is a clueless moron. The sooner he is gone from our club the better. I curse the day he took over.
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I can't think if one positive to come out if that game yesterday. Not one.
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I can't think if one positive to come out if that game yesterday. Not one.
Grant Holt scored, should help his confidence.
I'm trying mate.
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Just when I tell myself it can't get any worse they go and surprise me. Again.
Ditto!! Only seem to play well against 'good' teams!
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So it wasn't a bad dream then. We did lose to Fulham... and he's still with us. Happy Sunday folks.
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Dreading the Southampton and hull home games. Both could be very heavy defeats particularly Southampton who will run rings around us.
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A shit day followed by an evening of the shits. Wonderful.
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I thought Holt was superb didn't win everything but always putting him self about. Shame he couldn't finish the big chance to make it 2-2.
Weiman continues to infuriate should of had a stonewall pen tho, but couldn't even go down convincingly for that!
Westwood would have been the 2nd best player on the pitch if it wasn't for his lazy half clearance.
Baker should be on loan somewhere like Fulham making his mistakes for them and coming back to Villa the finished article. Why couldn't he flick the header square to a free Vlaar instead of pumping it straight back to Fulham for the first. Schoolboy errors all season.
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I've noticed Baker seems to head balls away he has time to control and clear and this invites further pressure. He did it a lot yesterday.
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I've noticed Baker seems to head balls away he has time to control and clear and this invites further pressure. He did it a lot yesterday.
Baker is a car crash of a defender. A bloody liability!
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He has always done that. He's a throw back from 30 years ago.
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I've noticed Baker seems to head balls away he has time to control and clear and this invites further pressure. He did it a lot yesterday.
Baker is a car crash of a defender. A bloody liability!
I think there is a decent defender in there somewhere but Baker's decision making at times is poor. He is only 22 so that may get better with experience but, as it stands, he is playing like the fourth choice centre back he is.
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MotD (http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/aston-villa-1-fulham-2-motd/)
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Des, we actually scored from a corner,thats two now this season i believe
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I thought Holt played well. Scored a good goal and is as strong as an ox. Pity he couldn't put that second chance away.
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I've noticed Baker seems to head balls away he has time to control and clear and this invites further pressure. He did it a lot yesterday.
It's not just Baker, it is everyone of them with the exception, on occasions, of Vlaar. They have time to either control the ball or play a first time pass to a colleague but instead just take an almighty swipe at the ball which then travels about 20 yards straight to an opponent which immediately puts us back on the defensive. Does my bloody head in.
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Des, we actually scored from a corner,thats two now this season i believe
He did. And to be honest he did enough to keep his place too.
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Des, we actually scored from a corner,thats two now this season i believe
He did. And to be honest he did enough to keep his place too.
not that I think gabby has been any good but Holt and Gabby up front next with Weimann dropped. Albrighton and Bacuna on the wings . Hopefully Delph back with Westwood .
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The only thing I'm surprised about is that people are shocked. We are awful. We have not progressed anywhere in the last 12 months, there is no Improvement, there is no desire, no tactical skill, no intelligence. The same mistakes are made week after week by the same players and nothing changes, Lambert is MON with sit players.
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I've noticed Baker seems to head balls away he has time to control and clear and this invites further pressure. He did it a lot yesterday.
Baker is a car crash of a defender. A bloody liability!
I think there is a decent defender in there somewhere but Baker's decision making at times is poor. He is only 22 so that may get better with experience but, as it stands, he is playing like the fourth choice centre back he is.
No there isn't a decent player there. He's shit. Sorry.
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I've noticed Baker seems to head balls away he has time to control and clear and this invites further pressure. He did it a lot yesterday.
Baker is a car crash of a defender. A bloody liability!
I think there is a decent defender in there somewhere but Baker's decision making at times is poor. He is only 22 so that may get better with experience but, as it stands, he is playing like the fourth choice centre back he is.
No there isn't a decent player there. He's shit. Sorry.
Agreed. He isn't Premier League quality. There's always a fuck up just around the corner with Baker. He can't be trusted.
Get rid.
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Add Bennett to the Baker comments too which meant yesterday Fulham having a field day down our left - neither of them is more than Championship standard
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I like Baker and I personally think there's a decent defender there. Like a lot of young players down there though, he's played too many games and sometimes the inexperience shows.
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I like Baker and I personally think there's a decent defender there. Like a lot of young players down there though, he's played too many games and sometimes the inexperience shows.
But with every game he plays the more experience he gets?
Na, a Premier League standard player he ain't.
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Des, we actually scored from a corner,thats two now this season i believe
He did. And to be honest he did enough to keep his place too.
not that I think gabby has been any good but Holt and Gabby up front next with Weimann dropped. Albrighton and Bacuna on the wings . Hopefully Delph back with Westwood .
100% no way should Wiemann be starting on current form
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I like Baker and I personally think there's a decent defender there. Like a lot of young players down there though, he's played too many games and sometimes the inexperience shows.
I read a stat on here yesterday that he's now played 65 first team game for the Villa. That's nearly 2 whole seasons worth. And he's 22 not 19.
Sorry but I've seen more than enough to know he's not a Premier League standard centre half. And he's not the only one.
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I like Baker and I personally think there's a decent defender there. Like a lot of young players down there though, he's played too many games and sometimes the inexperience shows.
I read a stat on here yesterday that he's now played 65 first team game for the Villa. That's nearly 2 whole seasons worth. And he's 22 not 19.
Sorry but I've seen more than enough to know he's not a Premier League standard centre half. And he's not the only one.
You can add Clark to that list.
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I like Baker and I personally think there's a decent defender there. Like a lot of young players down there though, he's played too many games and sometimes the inexperience shows.
He's fine at the actual defending (most of the time). Baker's main problem is that his distribution skills are non-existent.
However, the lack of that aspect of the game does mean that he's nothing more than a backup at Premier League level.
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I like Baker and I personally think there's a decent defender there. Like a lot of young players down there though, he's played too many games and sometimes the inexperience shows.
He's fine at the actual defending (most of the time). Baker's main problem is that his distribution skills are non-existent.
However, the lack of that aspect of the game does mean that he's nothing more than a backup at Premier League level.
His distribution is poor ... and, he has a defensive error in him every time.
He may, like C Davies, have to go away and rebuild himself as a Premiership defender; but probably not at VP
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I like Baker and I personally think there's a decent defender there. Like a lot of young players down there though, he's played too many games and sometimes the inexperience shows.
He's fine at the actual defending (most of the time). Baker's main problem is that his distribution skills are non-existent.
However, the lack of that aspect of the game does mean that he's nothing more than a backup at Premier League level.
Agree with that but would add that he often gets himself into the wrong position then tries to repair the damage with last ditch, sliding tackles that get a big cheer but a better defender would not have put himself in that situation in the first place.
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I like Baker and I personally think there's a decent defender there. Like a lot of young players down there though, he's played too many games and sometimes the inexperience shows.
He's fine at the actual defending (most of the time). Baker's main problem is that his distribution skills are non-existent.
However, the lack of that aspect of the game does mean that he's nothing more than a backup at Premier League level.
Agree with that but would add that he often gets himself into the wrong position then tries to repair the damage with last ditch, sliding tackles that get a big cheer but a better defender would not have put himself in that situation in the first place.
I agree with this, it's similar to John Terry.
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I like Baker and I personally think there's a decent defender there. Like a lot of young players down there though, he's played too many games and sometimes the inexperience shows.
He's fine at the actual defending (most of the time). Baker's main problem is that his distribution skills are non-existent.
However, the lack of that aspect of the game does mean that he's nothing more than a backup at Premier League level.
Agree with that but would add that he often gets himself into the wrong position then tries to repair the damage with last ditch, sliding tackles that get a big cheer but a better defender would not have put himself in that situation in the first place.
This is why I think Clark is better. Maldini, Baresi, McGrath, Cannavaro, these guys almost never went to ground because they didn't have to. Bobby Moore wiping his hands on his shorts before shaking hands with the Queen isn't remarkable because cor blimey guv, Sir Bob, 'e luvved 'Er Maj, but because his shorts were sufficiently unmudded for him to clean his hands on them.
Obviously Clark is nothing like near the league below the league those players are in, but he beats a dull-witted slider like Baker every time, IMO.
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I keep hoping Baker is going to do a Ugo Ehiogu. He has the physical attributes and bravery to be a top class centre back, he just needs to cut out the stupid mistakes and improve his distribution. It doesn't help him that he's had to play alongside a string of useless left backs as well, if he had a Wilfred Bouma type steady defender there to help him out I think he'd look a lot more comfortable.
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So Baker makes stupid mistakes, his distribution is awful and been stated on many occasions his positional sense lets him down, apart from that he is ok, F..k me how we have fallen.
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Bakers not helped by being slow. Just thinking of comparisons to Ugo, he was quick when he was at full pelt. Likewise, Curtis Davies has a bit of pace for a CH. That does help you if you find you're prone to getting caught out of position. Problem for Baker is that he gets caught out a lot and doesn't have the pace. No amount of last ditch tackles (That are of his own making) will ever make him good enough at this level. As a fourth choice back up playing a dozen games a season? He'd be okay. Or someone to bring on in a game against someone like Stoke or West Ham because of his height and strength.
For me, we should move him on for his own good. He needs to play regularly at his age, but in terms of being a Premiership regular, he's well short of being good enough. He should drop down a league.
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Des, we actually scored from a corner,thats two now this season i believe
He did. And to be honest he did enough to keep his place too.
not that I think gabby has been any good but Holt and Gabby up front next with Weimann dropped. Albrighton and Bacuna on the wings . Hopefully Delph back with Westwood .
100% no way should Wiemann be starting on current form
He seems undroppable . This is no good for anyone. Stick in the reserves , kick up the ass until he gets his form back . Has been awful for a long time .
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I feel a bit sorry for Baker having to play next to Bennet. I wouldn't distribute to him either. I hate to say it but PL could defo had made a better team selection yesterday! Maybe he realises our season is over and has started experimenting early. We're not going down..... Are we?
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The problem with judging players like Baker, Lowton, Bennett, Clark, Luna, is that while the evidence currently points to them not being good enough, how can we really know when they are all finding their feet together. The only known quantity in our defence is Vlaar. This is one of the reasons you need some experienced players in your side.
Similarly, it's understandable that people aren't inspired by Bowery coming on, but as far as I'm aware he's only ever played a few minutes at the end of games in his proper position. He had a useful couple of moments out of position last season and that's it. Same with Helanius.
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I feel a bit sorry for Baker having to play next to Bennet. I wouldn't distribute to him either.
That's a point that I made during the game. Their panic seemed to feed off one another.
Playing Bertand at left back and Bennett further forward would have been my choice
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I feel a bit sorry for Baker having to play next to Bennet. I wouldn't distribute to him either. I hate to say it but PL could defo had made a better team selection yesterday! Maybe he realises our season is over and has started experimenting early. We're not going down..... Are we?
he kind of played with four full backs . He was experimenting or been on the Jesus juice .
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Whist I agree with most regarding Baker and Clark not being up to Premiership standards... Surely the blame should also be apportioned at out coaching staff.... When we were growing up playing football, we were always, always told (shouted at!!!) "stand up no foul" ... These two clowns are worse than Tom Daley at diving in!! Like some other posters before... When the result came through yesterday, for the first time in supporting Aston Villa all my life... I didn't really care, that's sad, no that's unacceptable!... I just want this season to be over and pray that we stay up. Mr. Learner, please save this famous club from sinking.
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Des, we actually scored from a corner,thats two now this season i believe
He did. And to be honest he did enough to keep his place too.
not that I think gabby has been any good but Holt and Gabby up front next with Weimann dropped. Albrighton and Bacuna on the wings . Hopefully Delph back with Westwood .
100% no way should Wiemann be starting on current form
He seems undroppable . This is no good for anyone. Stick in the reserves , kick up the ass until he gets his form back . Has been awful for a long time .
This. Why does Lambert persist with him?
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As for Wieman, well yesterday showed us that his only viable alternative at the moment is the prolific Bowery, but he obviously sees that as a pairing not as a replacement just ask Albrighton.
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I think that "why did Lambert take Albrighton off for Bowery?" should replace "why didn't Barry take the penalty?"
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A 90th minute substitution that spoke volumes. He hasn't a clue what he's doing.
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I thought Holt played well. Scored a good goal and is as strong as an ox. Pity he couldn't put that second chance away.
He did. He put himself about really well, and actually looked a proper CF. He gave the Fulham back line plenty to think about. I'm sure he wasn't happy either with our inability to keep the ball or provide him with decent service because he could have had a couple more. He looked in the mood for it. Now, he's not going to do that every week which is why he's here as a loan and no longer a permanent fixture in the PL, but he showed he still have a little left in brief flashes.
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Have to agree on the Holt posts, I thought he did ok. I can't understand why N'Zogbia has been out so long, I know he's not the answer but would have loved him to come on instead of Bowery.
Next possible manager Uwe Rosler?
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Have to agree on the Holt posts, I thought he did ok. I can't understand why N'Zogbia has been out so long, I know he's not the answer but would have loved him to come on instead of Bowery.
Next possible manager Uwe Rosler?
That last minute sub of Bowery was pointless. He should have sent on Robinson for the last 10 minutes to see what he's made of. He had nothing to lose. Instead we saw the lamentable Bowery on 90 minutes. Lambert is clueless.
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That last minute sub of Bowery was pointless. He should have sent on Robinson for the last 10 minutes to see what he's made of. He had nothing to lose. Instead we saw the lamentable Bowery on 90 minutes.
Agreed.
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Next possible manager Uwe Rosler?
Dave won't let Rosler come to a 2nd rate club like AV
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Not much has changed since Martinez spoke to us.We want Rosler !!!
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That Martinez bloke is a proper shit manager so glad we got Lambo
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If Villa were to dispense with Lambert you can almost guarantee Lerner will blow the transfer budget on paying compensation to West Ham to get Allardyce on a 6 year contract.
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I'm not trying to be argumentative, but what's Rosler got as an alternative? Do Wigan play lovely, attractive football on limited resources? I'd genuinely like to know.
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Not much has changed since Martinez spoke to us.We want Rosler !!!
...and so the cycle begins again.
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I didn't want Martinez, but that was more based upon his Wigan finishes than anything else. I assumed that his decent results tended to be late into the season when they were frantically scrabbling to stay up, and I didn't want an entire season of cluelessness followed by three or four games of surprisingly good football.
But I have to admit, I think Wigan held Martinez back rather than the other way around. The freedom Everton play with is undeniable.
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Not only was the 90 min substitution a mystery but why did one of the coaching (!) staff spend at least 2 mins standing at the back of the dugout with him discussing tactics surely at that stage the instructions should just have been get in the box and make a nuisance of yourself.
Same happened against Stoke when El Ahmadi was obviously was not going to be able to continue we played for at least 3 min while they discussed the replacements role
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Not only was the 90 min substitution a mystery but why did one of the coaching (!) staff spend at least 2 mins standing at the back of the dugout with him discussing tactics surely at that stage the instructions should just have been get in the box and make a nuisance of yourself.
Same happened against Stoke when El Ahmadi was obviously was not going to be able to continue we played for at least 3 min while they discussed the replacements role
You know, Lambert etc have many faults, but I don't think tactical overthinking is one of them.
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So Baker makes stupid mistakes, his distribution is awful and been stated on many occasions his positional sense lets him down, apart from that he is ok, F..k me how we have fallen.
I don't get either. I'm a so called happy clapper and I think he's shite, miles off being good enough.
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I'm not trying to be argumentative, but what's Rosler got as an alternative? Do Wigan play lovely, attractive football on limited resources? I'd genuinely like to know.
Seems to be successful at each club he goes to,done well at Brentford and done well at Wigan, he's an option and seems to be a winner.
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I really thought we could get a win against Fulham but I don't know what I was thinking I must be mad.
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I'm not trying to be argumentative, but what's Rosler got as an alternative? Do Wigan play lovely, attractive football on limited resources? I'd genuinely like to know.
Seems to be successful at each club he goes to,done well at Brentford and done well at Wigan, he's an option and seems to be a winner.
Wigan seem to be going well and I think they will give Arsenal plenty of it next week in the Cup semi final. But I think revitalising Aston Villa as a club might be too much for an inexperienced manager. The likes of Lambert, Jewell, Coyle even Ian Dowie looked decent managing in the lower leagues to being found out at the top division. Is there any evidence Rosler is a step above the likes of the others I've mentioned?
Considering there is more value for money available on players in Europe, I think an english speaking European coach is what we should be looking for next.
Rather than the board going out on a limb picking a clearly unsuitable manager (McLeish) or getting the supporters choice in (Lambert), they really need to hire someone to run the football club and that person should be making the choice on who should be first team coach. Sporting Director, Director of football, doesnt matter but filling that role is crucial if we are to have any kind of future.
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If not Rosler then Laudrup, knows how to work on a budget,has premiership experience and good knowledge of other leagues.I'm sure we could do a lot worse !
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How about some positivity?
Am I the only one on here that thinks we might just beat Palace? Hardly Bayern Munich are they?
With a proper midfield and Gabby back we'll improve. The Bertrand in midfield ploy didn't work but I can see why he tried it.
Yes we give the ball away too easily, particularly Baker, but did you see how gutted the players were at the end? Westwood was distraught with his mistake.
What we don't need is bile spouted by a bloke near me as he throws the ball back to Lowton and boos as one of our own has a poor shot at goal - FFS.
Yes we're Aston Villa and we expect better but welcome to 2014 - the games changed - it's no wonder we're so crap at home with such a poisonous atmosphere. They might have been on some sort of freebie but how much was that support worth to Fulham yesterday?
Not renewing next season? Fine - give your money to Murdoch & moan at the dog. I'll be supporting the club I love. Up the Villa.
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How about some positivity?
Am I the only one on here that thinks we might just beat Palace? Hardly Bayern Munich are they?
With a proper midfield and Gabby back we'll improve. The Bertrand in midfield ploy didn't work but I can see why he tried it.
Yes we give the ball away too easily, particularly Baker, but did you see how gutted the players were at the end? Westwood was distraught with his mistake.
What we don't need is bile spouted by a bloke near me as he throws the ball back to Lowton and boos as one of our own has a poor shot at goal - FFS.
Yes we're Aston Villa and we expect better but welcome to 2014 - the games changed - it's no wonder we're so crap at home with such a poisonous atmosphere. They might have been on some sort of freebie but how much was that support worth to Fulham yesterday?
Not renewing next season? Fine - give your money to Murdoch & moan at the dog. I'll be supporting the club I love. Up the Villa.
That's the spirit
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How about some positivity?
Am I the only one on here that thinks we might just beat Palace? Hardly Bayern Munich are they?
With a proper midfield and Gabby back we'll improve. The Bertrand in midfield ploy didn't work but I can see why he tried it.
Yes we give the ball away too easily, particularly Baker, but did you see how gutted the players were at the end? Westwood was distraught with his mistake.
What we don't need is bile spouted by a bloke near me as he throws the ball back to Lowton and boos as one of our own has a poor shot at goal - FFS.
Yes we're Aston Villa and we expect better but welcome to 2014 - the games changed - it's no wonder we're so crap at home with such a poisonous atmosphere. They might have been on some sort of freebie but how much was that support worth to Fulham yesterday?
Not renewing next season? Fine - give your money to Murdoch & moan at the dog. I'll be supporting the club I love. Up the Villa.
Good lad.
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How about some positivity?
Am I the only one on here that thinks we might just beat Palace? Hardly Bayern Munich are they?
With a proper midfield and Gabby back we'll improve. The Bertrand in midfield ploy didn't work but I can see why he tried it.
Yes we give the ball away too easily, particularly Baker, but did you see how gutted the players were at the end? Westwood was distraught with his mistake.
What we don't need is bile spouted by a bloke near me as he throws the ball back to Lowton and boos as one of our own has a poor shot at goal - FFS.
Yes we're Aston Villa and we expect better but welcome to 2014 - the games changed - it's no wonder we're so crap at home with such a poisonous atmosphere. They might have been on some sort of freebie but how much was that support worth to Fulham yesterday?
Not renewing next season? Fine - give your money to Murdoch & moan at the dog. I'll be supporting the club I love. Up the Villa.
What has not renewing next season got to do with giving money to Murdoch or moaning at the dog?
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How about some positivity?
Am I the only one on here that thinks we might just beat Palace? Hardly Bayern Munich are they?
With a proper midfield and Gabby back we'll improve. The Bertrand in midfield ploy didn't work but I can see why he tried it.
Yes we give the ball away too easily, particularly Baker, but did you see how gutted the players were at the end? Westwood was distraught with his mistake.
What we don't need is bile spouted by a bloke near me as he throws the ball back to Lowton and boos as one of our own has a poor shot at goal - FFS.
Yes we're Aston Villa and we expect better but welcome to 2014 - the games changed - it's no wonder we're so crap at home with such a poisonous atmosphere. They might have been on some sort of freebie but how much was that support worth to Fulham yesterday?
Not renewing next season? Fine - give your money to Murdoch & moan at the dog. I'll be supporting the club I love. Up the Villa.
You wouldn't be Nicola Keye by any chance? If so thanks for the personal phone call a week last friday -
but listening to why the CEO Faulkner doesn't acknowledge emails/written letters caused me to miss my
train from Manchester to Liverpool - and the answer is still 'no I am not renewing my L6 seat' xx
Ps if you aren't Nicola please ignore the xx
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I really thought we could get a win against Fulham but I don't know what I was thinking I must be mad.
I was a confident as you ever dare be before the news of injuries came through. Fulham were always going to be desperate to win and the last 20 minutes were very open. I actually thought we would get a second as their defending was poor but we didn't have the quality to score or the ability to keep the ball and defend. Without Benteke but with Gabby, and the two midfielders back we might just scrape home in the weeks to come but yesterday showed that we have almost nothing in reserve.
Let's get safe then let the inquest begin. Like many others on here my opinion keeps shifting. I now think we will eventually get relegated unless the owner gets more involved or sells up. The current strategy isn't going to work no matter who the manager is.
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How about some positivity?
Am I the only one on here that thinks we might just beat Palace? Hardly Bayern Munich are they?
With a proper midfield and Gabby back we'll improve. The Bertrand in midfield ploy didn't work but I can see why he tried it.
Yes we give the ball away too easily, particularly Baker, but did you see how gutted the players were at the end? Westwood was distraught with his mistake.
What we don't need is bile spouted by a bloke near me as he throws the ball back to Lowton and boos as one of our own has a poor shot at goal - FFS.
Yes we're Aston Villa and we expect better but welcome to 2014 - the games changed - it's no wonder we're so crap at home with such a poisonous atmosphere. They might have been on some sort of freebie but how much was that support worth to Fulham yesterday?
Not renewing next season? Fine - give your money to Murdoch & moan at the dog. I'll be supporting the club I love. Up the Villa.
Not much to argue with there except for the "poisonous atmosphere" comment.
At the back of the Holte we were ramping up the support for a good 10 minutes at the start of the match - "Paul Lamberts C&B Army" ringing out.
I experience a painfully negative expectation but not "poisonous" at all. Even when we went 1-2 down and the weird substitution happened we were trying to make a noise. Only when Holt was too slow to put the through ball over did I need to exit and swear my way to the car...
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I did not detect a "poisonous atmosphere'. Any reasonable minded Villa fan would accept that the tolerance of the crowd has been one of the few things to be proud of this season. We are too tolerant if anything. As has been said by any number of posters on these threads at ANY other club Lambert's record would have had him through the door a long time ago.
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Just thought fans were resigned, wasn't poisonous for me.
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Hardly poisonous. Just apathetic at times.
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Apologies - poisonous was a bit harsh. Just hate to see the fans giving our players a harder time of it than the opposition players.
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Oh right,that is the reason we have been so crap at home under this manager,a poisonous atmosphere .There was me thinking it was down to a clueless manager, players making basic errors ,like passing the ball to the other side and not marking the opposition
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I didn't want Martinez, but that was more based upon his Wigan finishes than anything else. I assumed that his decent results tended to be late into the season when they were frantically scrabbling to stay up, and I didn't want an entire season of cluelessness followed by three or four games of surprisingly good football.
But I have to admit, I think Wigan held Martinez back rather than the other way around. The freedom Everton play with is undeniable.
Good job we got Lambert then for his consistant level of good football through a season!!
I must admit people turning their noses up at Martinez back then just because Wigan were fighting relegation every season was bizarre, it's WIGAN for Christ sake.
I know Steve Bruce got them finishing higher but some managers have a glass ceiling and Brucey struggled at Sunderland and I doubt would do aswell if he was Everton's manager.
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If Villa were to dispense with Lambert you can almost guarantee Lerner will blow the transfer budget on paying compensation to West Ham to get Allardyce on a 6 year contract.
Sends a shiver down ones spine.
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Poisonous atmosphere? Utter rubbish. The fans have stuck with Lambert and the players despite such a shockingly poor home record, the worst team that I can ever remember, cup losses to lower league teams and with 40 million quid spent on dross, other than Benteke and Vlaar. We have become apathetic , possibly because we are attempting to support the myth that this side is full of children and that we are so fickle.
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I think the fans have been very, very patient and got behind the team given the utter shit we have endured. The team owe us, not the other way round. They can't hide behind such claims - they are handsomely paid to perform under whatever 'pressure' a passionate support brings. And this season, like last year, they have let us down.
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I looked around me at one stage yesterday, think it was about the 35 min mark and nobody around me was actually watching the game. They were either on their phones, looking at the floor or reading the progra.... I mean H&V .
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As sure as night follows day.
We have a bad run, the manager looks like he's on borrowed time and we'll have someone blaming paying spectators.
We just need that berk with the visual aids to make a bold return to the fold.
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I think the fans have been very, very patient and got behind the team given the utter shit we have endured. The team owe us, not the other way round. They can't hide behind such claims - they are handsomely paid to perform under whatever 'pressure' a passionate support brings. And this season, like last year, they have let us down.
Why do the team owe us? We're considerably more successful than the vast majority of team in England, so what exactly do they owe us? Winning the league? Finishing top 4? Finishing mid-table? Staying up?
Why the team owe our fans anything is beyond me. May be the fans supporting the team might help (and that doesn't mean when you are beating a team, it means throughout). Oh sorry, us poor Villa fans have had it bad for years blah blah blah. Just look at other teams. If everyone did as their fans thought they should, we'd have won plenty by now.
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I'm not interested in other teams. I don't support other teams. I support this one...and I do support them, thanks very much. If you're happy with the way it's going, then great. I'm not.
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I'm not interested in other teams. I don't support other teams. I support this one...and I do support them, thanks very much. If you're happy with the way it's going, then great. I'm not.
I'm not happy. I expect more. But what are you happy with? A lot on here moaned about where we finished under MON.
I've gone past positional expectations as we're never going to win anything and just want to see us play entertaining football. It's not happening so I'd make a change.
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I'm not interested in other teams. I don't support other teams. I support this one...and I do support them, thanks very much. If you're happy with the way it's going, then great. I'm not.
I'm not happy. I expect more. But what are you happy with? A lot on here moaned about where we finished under MON.
I've gone past positional expectations as we're never going to win anything and just want to see us play entertaining football. It's not happening so I'd make a change.
Very fair point. I can't argue with that - I can cope with not winning things, but not a lack of tactics and a non descript or attractive style of play. Something has to give.
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'poisonous' is harsh. It's definitely tough to keep singing & chanting when they can leave you feeling so flat - & I did think the crowd had a good go at trying to keep some noise going. However, so many upping & leaving when we went 2-1 down wasn't exactly helpful.
There turned out to be 4 minutes of injury time, those who were left actually managed a bit of a roar of encouragement when it was announced. We needed to have done that as they came back to kick off after that goal, instead of facing them with the angry clatter of upturning seats.
We hoped to be better against a Fulham side who had been rooted to the bottom of the table, but we hadn't been outplayed, we were still in the game, there was time left. Look at how much happened in the last few minutes at Albion last week - it needn't have been over, but it felt like it was when so many decided they'd seen enough.
On MOTD I noticed they showed Fulham players tweets of appreciation for their '12th man'. In the moment after Fulham's 2nd goal, our impact as a group of supporters was more like having one sent off!
There isn't anyone here who hasn't seen how easily this team's confidence swings, how good they can be when their tails are up, as well as how bad they can be when their heads go down. I don't know why we don't want to try & give them that boost. We do know it can make a difference.
I don't blame anyone for booing them off at the end, of course we should have won that game. I'd prefer people to show their displeasure by doing that rather than giving up before the match is done. (& that exodus really wasn't about beating the traffic!)
I wish people wouldn't get so defensive. It's not about blaming the fans, letting the team the manager, the board off the hook - for me it's about us being a team. I expect them to do their bit, and I am pissed off when they don't, but I expect us to do ours as well. I know we are the paying public, but it's just how I always thought football worked.
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Can I apologise for being pissed off with watching us lose for the 12th time this season - it is obviously people like me who are causing the poor results of the last three seasons so maybe it is best if we don't turn up year after year to upset the players - the fact I had shouted myself hoarse for 93 minutes (OK I did slump when they scored their second - fickle me) was a mistake on my part as it may have distracted the defence at crucial moments.
Tongue. In cheek. But do me a favour ;-)
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The poor poster has apologised for the 'poisonous' comment so why have three subsequent posters felt the need to pick up on it. The guy / girl has only made four posts; they won't be encouraged to make many more if this is the response they get!
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Apologies - poisonous was a bit harsh. Just hate to see the fans giving our players a harder time of it than the opposition players.
Thank you.
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Other teams have been through what we are going through and still kept a high level of support. Its all about sticking with your team. Watching some of our performances is painful and it is happening over a long period of time, with the odd game that gives a false sense that we are improving. We have just got to prey that we stay in the prem and PL improves the quality of the players he brings in and that some of the players he has already brought in step up (Tonev, etc) ........
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We've all been to games where the Villa fans have been up for it and possibly provided a shot of adrenaline at a key stage.
10 home defeats indicate that our problems run a bit deeper than how audible the crowd are, or how many positive songs they sing, though. If the fundamentals are so deeply flawed (as ours have been, in defence, midfield and attack this season) no amount of partisan support from the stands can override that.
If it did have such an impact over a prolonged period of time Leeds and Portsmouth would still be in the topflight. And Arsenal would be non league.
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The poor poster has apologised for the 'poisonous' comment so why have three subsequent posters felt the need to pick up on it. The guy / girl has only made four posts; they won't be encouraged to make many more if this is the response they get!
To be fair I was largely agreeing with their sentiments! I more wanted to say that just because they'd used the word 'poisonous', it didn't make the whole post wrong.
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'poisonous' is harsh. It's definitely tough to keep singing & chanting when they can leave you feeling so flat - & I did think the crowd had a good go at trying to keep some noise going. However, so many upping & leaving when we went 2-1 down wasn't exactly helpful.
There turned out to be 4 minutes of injury time, those who were left actually managed a bit of a roar of encouragement when it was announced. We needed to have done that as they came back to kick off after that goal, instead of facing them with the angry clatter of upturning seats.
We hoped to be better against a Fulham side who had been rooted to the bottom of the table, but we hadn't been outplayed, we were still in the game, there was time left. Look at how much happened in the last few minutes at Albion last week - it needn't have been over, but it felt like it was when so many decided they'd seen enough.
On MOTD I noticed they showed Fulham players tweets of appreciation for their '12th man'. In the moment after Fulham's 2nd goal, our impact as a group of supporters was more like having one sent off!
There isn't anyone here who hasn't seen how easily this team's confidence swings, how good they can be when their tails are up, as well as how bad they can be when their heads go down. I don't know why we don't want to try & give them that boost. We do know it can make a difference.
I don't blame anyone for booing them off at the end, of course we should have won that game. I'd prefer people to show their displeasure by doing that rather than giving up before the match is done. (& that exodus really wasn't about beating the traffic!)
I wish people wouldn't get so defensive. It's not about blaming the fans, letting the team the manager, the board off the hook - for me it's about us being a team. I expect them to do their bit, and I am pissed off when they don't, but I expect us to do ours as well. I know we are the paying public, but it's just how I always thought football worked.
Spot on.
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Yeah but what long-suffering Villa fan has the forgivable nature and rationale to rally the team after they have conceded yet another goal likely to lose a home game? The players get more than generous home support.
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The amount of support that turns up at Villa Park with our home record, shows the fans are anything but fickle, no we do not believe we are going to win the league, (not this year anyhow) but what most want is a cohesive team, sent out with clear instructions and having the knowledge that during the week they have practiced a plan B, when plan A is obviously not working,
Effort, application and a certain amount of skill, like passing to a team mate, for those poor guys picking up an average of 20k a week, but if that is not shown I think the paying public have the right to show their disgust anyway they like.
Please do not fall for the, were in this together, if we went down every half decent player who got an offer would be out the door quicker than a a Blues chairman's cheque bounces, sorry to say but that is the Premier league circa 2014.
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Don't worry lads, in a couple of hours or so our CEO will be at his desk, the owner will be calling on the telephone and Lambert and Culverhouse will be at Bodymoor all convinced that there is a bright side to look on. Business as usual.
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Well it's Monday morning, pissing down with rain and sums up my mood perfectly. We go again...
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Yeah but what long-suffering Villa fan has the forgivable nature and rationale to rally the team after they have conceded yet another goal likely to lose a home game? The players get more than generous home support.
Me. I do!
I wasn't on my own either. There are a surprising number of Villa fans who don't respond to a late goal by metaphorically conceding one of their own.
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At least Tonev got a shot on target!
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'poisonous' is harsh. It's definitely tough to keep singing & chanting when they can leave you feeling so flat - & I did think the crowd had a good go at trying to keep some noise going. However, so many upping & leaving when we went 2-1 down wasn't exactly helpful.
There turned out to be 4 minutes of injury time, those who were left actually managed a bit of a roar of encouragement when it was announced. We needed to have done that as they came back to kick off after that goal, instead of facing them with the angry clatter of upturning seats.
We hoped to be better against a Fulham side who had been rooted to the bottom of the table, but we hadn't been outplayed, we were still in the game, there was time left. Look at how much happened in the last few minutes at Albion last week - it needn't have been over, but it felt like it was when so many decided they'd seen enough.
On MOTD I noticed they showed Fulham players tweets of appreciation for their '12th man'. In the moment after Fulham's 2nd goal, our impact as a group of supporters was more like having one sent off!
There isn't anyone here who hasn't seen how easily this team's confidence swings, how good they can be when their tails are up, as well as how bad they can be when their heads go down. I don't know why we don't want to try & give them that boost. We do know it can make a difference.
I don't blame anyone for booing them off at the end, of course we should have won that game. I'd prefer people to show their displeasure by doing that rather than giving up before the match is done. (& that exodus really wasn't about beating the traffic!)
I wish people wouldn't get so defensive. It's not about blaming the fans, letting the team the manager, the board off the hook - for me it's about us being a team. I expect them to do their bit, and I am pissed off when they don't, but I expect us to do ours as well. I know we are the paying public, but it's just how I always thought football worked.
Theres a tipping point Amfy, when seeing the same thing week after week for years becomes just about enough. Like being in a shit marriage where the missus makes you miserable and winds you up a first you look way past the bad points and try and move along and keep things going, eventually you get worn down and think fuck it, get up and leave.
4 years and the majority of it has been absolute shit. No coherent plan, no leaders
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'poisonous' is harsh. It's definitely tough to keep singing & chanting when they can leave you feeling so flat - & I did think the crowd had a good go at trying to keep some noise going. However, so many upping & leaving when we went 2-1 down wasn't exactly helpful.
There turned out to be 4 minutes of injury time, those who were left actually managed a bit of a roar of encouragement when it was announced. We needed to have done that as they came back to kick off after that goal, instead of facing them with the angry clatter of upturning seats.
We hoped to be better against a Fulham side who had been rooted to the bottom of the table, but we hadn't been outplayed, we were still in the game, there was time left. Look at how much happened in the last few minutes at Albion last week - it needn't have been over, but it felt like it was when so many decided they'd seen enough.
On MOTD I noticed they showed Fulham players tweets of appreciation for their '12th man'. In the moment after Fulham's 2nd goal, our impact as a group of supporters was more like having one sent off!
There isn't anyone here who hasn't seen how easily this team's confidence swings, how good they can be when their tails are up, as well as how bad they can be when their heads go down. I don't know why we don't want to try & give them that boost. We do know it can make a difference.
I don't blame anyone for booing them off at the end, of course we should have won that game. I'd prefer people to show their displeasure by doing that rather than giving up before the match is done. (& that exodus really wasn't about beating the traffic!)
I wish people wouldn't get so defensive. It's not about blaming the fans, letting the team the manager, the board off the hook - for me it's about us being a team. I expect them to do their bit, and I am pissed off when they don't, but I expect us to do ours as well. I know we are the paying public, but it's just how I always thought football worked.
I think there was just an air of 'here we go again' running round the stadium and it's understandable given how many games we've lost at home this season. Let's face it, we should have been 3-1 down before they even got their winner, you could just see it coming.
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We have had some poor seasons over the last 40 years but have we ever had 4 in a row?
Remember having a poor finish to a season then carrying over to another before an uplift - usually after getting a new manager.
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I was so depressed I couldn't bring myself to talk about the Villa until Today.
Despite all I've seen I'm still willing to give Lambert more time, Delph was a massive loss to us on Saturday perhaps more than Benteke. I feel with Delph, KEA and Gabby we would have won that game.
Weimann was shown up by Holte and Baker is not good enough neither is Clark.
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At least Tonev got a shot on target!
After we're unable to remember Villa's titles past and the glorious goals of the team's history have faded, the day that Tonev actually got a shot on target will live long in the memory.
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Was anyone sitting in the Lower Holte near a guy who was apparently removed by the stewards for swearing during the first half?
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Was anyone sitting in the Lower Holte near a guy who was apparently removed by the stewards for swearing during the first half?
crikey did they eject 30 odd thousand!
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Yeah but what long-suffering Villa fan has the forgivable nature and rationale to rally the team after they have conceded yet another goal likely to lose a home game? The players get more than generous home support.
Me. I do!
I wasn't on my own either. There are a surprising number of Villa fans who don't respond to a late goal by metaphorically conceding one of their own.
Fair do's. Patience is an admirable virtue these days.
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The lap of honour might be interesting this season. Poisonous might be an appropriate adjective at that point.
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Back on poisonous, I think for once in our lives, the fans deserve so much credit for their patience - considering every other club around us has now changed their manager I think they should be awarding the people that go to the games medals.
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Back on poisonous, I think for once in our lives, the fans deserve so much credit for their patience - considering every other club around us has now changed their manager I think they should be awarding the people that go to the games medals.
...as opposed to increasing the cost of season tickets you mean?
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Enclosed with your increased price application form will be your medal for bravery.