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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Ad@m on March 28, 2014, 11:22:22 AM

Title: Competition is bad for business
Post by: Ad@m on March 28, 2014, 11:22:22 AM
I always knew the Premier League were putting all their efforts in to ensuring the status quo and thereby stifling competition but I never expected them to admit it!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26782112
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: not3bad on March 28, 2014, 11:24:42 AM
It's this quote that's my favourite:

"But you have to balance that off against, generally, we're in the business of putting on a competition and competition means people can compete."

I winder if he said it through gritted teeth?
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: aj2k77 on March 28, 2014, 11:48:43 AM
If ever the favoured clubs seriously mess up you can guarantee rules will be changed to keep the leagues revenue streams secure. They have no interest in true financial fair play either.
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: Simon Ward on March 28, 2014, 01:09:42 PM
Scudamore just sums up all that is wrong with the PL!
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 28, 2014, 01:13:05 PM
"There are lots of fans around the world who wish Manchester United were winning it again," Scudamore told Bloomberg.

There's even more who are happy they aren't.
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: Singapore Villa on March 28, 2014, 01:27:04 PM
The arrogance of the man!
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: lovejoy on March 28, 2014, 01:46:46 PM
This is also covered in the Pain of Man U fans thread. As I posted there, it shows the premier League are keen on a successful Man Utd and therefore calls into question their impartiality.
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 28, 2014, 01:53:36 PM
It's this quote that's my favourite:

"But you have to balance that off against, generally, we're in the business of putting on a competition and competition means people can compete."I winder if he said it through gritted teeth?

Generally? Shouldn't that be solely? I am genuinely shocked by this statement. I know it shouldn't be a surprise he's in the pocket of the big clubs but to actually admit it. Disgraceful.

I've just finished reading a book about the history of the NFL. I know it's not a like for like comparison but the commisioners of that league saw it as their primary duty to make the league competitive, and therefore interesting and profitable. They may have had favourites and soft spots but the league was above every other consideration and that's the way it should be.
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 28, 2014, 01:56:13 PM
This is also covered in the Pain of Man U fans thread. As I posted there, it shows the premier League are keen on a successful Man Utd and therefore calls into question their impartiality.

It does and he should be hauled over the coals for it. He won't be though. Or he'll give some smarmy bullshit response if he is. "Look at the latest TV deal" is his answer to everything I imagine.
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: Damo70 on March 28, 2014, 02:10:15 PM
So after telling us for years it is such a successful product and the best league in the world he now tells us that if one particular cog out of twenty under performs the whole thing is in danger of sliding.
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 28, 2014, 02:29:56 PM
He's talking through his arse as well.  An unsuccessful Man Utd means those glory hunters who have decided to follow them will just follow the current biggest/highest/wankiest/ club.
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: Damo70 on March 28, 2014, 02:35:47 PM
Cancel the World Cup. Manchester United aren't very good anymore and consequently the entire planet has decided football isn't worth watching.
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: not3bad on March 28, 2014, 02:36:56 PM
Man Utd are just a half arsed club that used to be famous.
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: SashasGrandad on March 28, 2014, 02:41:29 PM
Scudamore just sums up all that is wrong with the PL!

If he ever visits VP he should be made to kneel at the foot of McGregor's statue and apologise for being an arsehole.
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: Simon Ward on March 28, 2014, 03:05:59 PM
Scudamore just sums up all that is wrong with the PL!

If he ever visits VP he should be made to kneel at the foot of McGregor's statue and apologise for being an arsehole.

He never comes out of London!
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 28, 2014, 03:15:20 PM
Skidmark is a shit head. Game 39 blah blah blah...
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: Billy Walker on March 28, 2014, 06:03:37 PM
These really are appalling comments in my view.   When Man Utd won the league back in '93 I always felt it was the outcome the Premier League and Sky TV favoured.  It's simply not a fair competition and its integrity has been watered down with every passing year ever since.

The ironic thing is that Scudamore does not seem to appreciate that the competition itself (not the clubs) should be the attraction.  I fear both he and the media will not allow Man Utd to go through the ups and downs that Villa, say, have had to endure since '93 - and that simply is not good for the game nor is it good for the supporters who shell out good money every week thinking their club is taking part in a genuine and fair sporting competition.  The game needs a revolution!
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: Happy MON-days on March 28, 2014, 07:53:21 PM
He's talking through his arse as well.  An unsuccessful Man Utd means those glory hunters who have decided to follow them will just follow the current biggest/highest/wankiest/ club.

If that club is Bayern/Barcelona/R.Madrid/PSG/Juventus, then they'll stop watching the Premier League and Scudamore gets sacked when the next round of global TV deals only generates half the money of what we have now.
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 28, 2014, 09:53:13 PM
It makes you wonder what would happen if one of our `global brands`ever got themselves into a Glasgow Rangers situation. Would they be made to start again in the 4th tier ? Taken out of the Premier League for at the very least three seasons with resulting losses to `the best league in the world`of many many millions.
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: BC54 VFC on March 28, 2014, 10:52:45 PM
As other posters have said, it is the qualification 'generally' that stinks. Perhaps now the FCA are doing such a good job in cleaning up the banks, IFA's (RDR) and now the pensions and insurance sectors their remit could be widened to include the Premier League!
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 28, 2014, 11:04:27 PM
Apart from the obvious, the not so hidden message that the premier league is a product rather than a competition is the bit that should really have people manning the barricades.

Unfortunately as it's the millions of gloryhunter around the world that pay his and his cronies wages why would he ever give a shit about sporting ethos.

At some point maybe they'll realise that the whole charade is a particularly ineffective way of transferring money from around the globe into the back pockets of half decent footballers and their agents.

Still as long as they can take their cut why worry.
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 28, 2014, 11:17:16 PM
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air linc=51764.msg2558244#msg2558244 date=1396043593
It makes you wonder what would happen if one of our `global brands`ever got themselves into a Glasgow Rangers situation. Would they be made to start again in the 4th tier ? Taken out of the Premier League for at the very least three seasons with resulting losses to `the best league in the world`of many many millions.

Oh please let this be Chelsea after Ambramovich gets his assets frozen.

Never be allowed to happen of course. Too important to "the brand".  Manchester x 2, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and maybe Spurs, would never be allowed to fail. The PL would view them like the government viewed the banks.  Too big and important to be allowed to fold.

If it was us or Everton / Newcastle maybe Sunder they might try and make sure we didn't fall too far. Easy to patronise about proper club, great history etc. Make a good backdrop to the top table.

Norwich, Southampton and so on would be dropped into the Blue Square Premier (or whatever it's called these days) quicker than you could say administration.
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 28, 2014, 11:23:20 PM
Apart from the obvious, the not so hidden message that the premier league is a product rather than a competition is the bit that should really have people manning the barricades

It has been that for two decades now, though.

Don't get me wrong, I loathe Scudamore and the entire Premier League way of thinking, but he's talking about what is effectively his job - getting people to pay as much money as possible for the rights to screen what is effectively a football beauty parade.

Competition doesn't even come in to it.
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: bob rowe on March 28, 2014, 11:38:44 PM
Man U bias is nothing new as we all know. Back in the late 60s they & Peterborough were found guilty of under the counter payments to the parents of schoolboy players. M U were fined £20,000, peanuts to them, but Peterborough, who were about to be promoted to div2, were docked enough points to relegatr them to div3. Protecting the brand even then.
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 29, 2014, 08:21:00 AM
Apart from the obvious, the not so hidden message that the premier league is a product rather than a competition is the bit that should really have people manning the barricades

It has been that for two decades now, though.

Don't get me wrong, I loathe Scudamore and the entire Premier League way of thinking, but he's talking about what is effectively his job - getting people to pay as much money as possible for the rights to screen what is effectively a football beauty parade.

Competition doesn't even come in to it.

I completely agree.  I just think I've ever seen it expressed so nakedly before.

You can see it in the way transfers are reported, it's got nothing to do with football, it's monetary porn, where it's only about who can display that they're the biggest ******, by spending the most.

Sadly more an indictment on society at large than football.
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: curlytailavfc on March 29, 2014, 08:34:43 AM
so if we lose today were helping the economy
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: rob_bridge on March 29, 2014, 08:47:57 AM
He's talking through his arse as well.  An unsuccessful Man Utd means those glory hunters who have decided to follow them will just follow the current biggest/highest/wankiest/ club.

Ah yes but his worry will be they start supporting Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern Munich or as they are glory hunters all 3, concurrently.
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 29, 2014, 08:55:38 AM
Man U bias is nothing new as we all know. Back in the late 60s they & Peterborough were found guilty of under the counter payments to the parents of schoolboy players. M U were fined £20,000, peanuts to them, but Peterborough, who were about to be promoted to div2, were docked enough points to relegatr them to div3. Protecting the brand even then.

I never knew that story, just read up on it. Incredible, Peterborough were told they were being demoted no matter what in November! So played over half the season knowing it was pointless. Crazy.
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: Billy Walker on March 29, 2014, 05:38:34 PM
Man U bias is nothing new as we all know. Back in the late 60s they & Peterborough were found guilty of under the counter payments to the parents of schoolboy players. M U were fined £20,000, peanuts to them, but Peterborough, who were about to be promoted to div2, were docked enough points to relegatr them to div3. Protecting the brand even then.

I never knew that story, just read up on it. Incredible, Peterborough were told they were being demoted no matter what in November! So played over half the season knowing it was pointless. Crazy.

What is the origin of this bias though? Prior to World War Two they were relative also-rans.  How did they get themselves into this position where the media and the powers that be will keep them in the limelight, earning big money regardless of their performance? 

Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: aj2k77 on March 29, 2014, 05:45:28 PM
Do we get a bonus for helping the Premier League brand today?
Title: Re: Competition is bad for business
Post by: achilles on March 29, 2014, 05:51:27 PM
Do we get a bonus for helping the Premier League brand today?

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