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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: adrenachrome on March 27, 2014, 12:46:51 AM
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Torygraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10725410/Aston-Villa-to-offer-Gabriel-Agbonlahor-four-year-deal.html)
Aston Villa to offer Gabriel Agbonlahor four-year deal
Striker poised to commit to club, who will also look to tie down Fabian Delph and captain Ron Vlaar
By John Percy10:30PM GMT 26 Mar 2014
Gabriel Agbonlahor will be offered a new four-year deal this summer and the chance to remain at Aston Villa for the rest of his career.
Villa will discuss a contract extension with Agbonlahor at the end of the season that will ensure the club’s record Premier League scorer will be signed up into his 30s.
Agbonlahor, 27, joined the club as a youngster before making his debut in 2006 and is ready to commit his future to Paul Lambert’s team. The longest serving player on Villa’s books has one year left on his deal but is poised to begin negotiations with the hierarchy when the season finishes.
Fabian Delph and captain Ron Vlaar are also poised to sign new contracts as Villa move to tie down the majority of their squad for the long-term.
Lambert is still in discussions over his own future and is expected to sign an extension before the end of the season as Villa seek stability. Villa were thrashed 4-1 at home by Stoke City and face Manchester United this weekend but are on course to avoid being sucked into a relegation battle.
“We are a young team and we are miles from where we want to be,” Lambert said. “But we are slowly but surely getting there and if they keep growing and being confident their careers will keep going. They’re a young group and you try to keep them positive, even when there is a drop.”
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I'm one of his biggest fans and even though he goes through dips in form, he's come up trumps numerous times. It would just be wrong seeing him play for anyone else.
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The question is does he deserve a new 4 year contract, it's a simple answer for me. No
I've never rated him he's far too inconsistent.
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So we are supposed to be culling high-earners not worth anything like the pay-packet they are on but let's just make an exception for Gabby because he is a fan?
I hate this club sometimes...
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Overall I like Gabby, and on his day he makes us a totally different side and must be a nightmare to play against. Sadly, just lately those days don't happen very often. He really hasn't delivered anywhere near enough the last 3 or 4 seasons imo. For approx £50K a week we should be getting more from him.
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Maybe he will accept a cut to bring him in line with the new structure if he wants to stay? Not sure what he's on now, but if he is on 50k a week, it wouldn't harm his pocket too much to sign a 4 yr deal for 40k p/w. He must realise he's probably already peaked at this club in terms of form. I'd play hardball and listen to offers for him if he didn't agree to a cut.
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Lambert must be a Queen fan - Tie My Gabby Down.ﹰ
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Good news. I'd imagine he's taking a pay cut.
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Good news. Especially if he has taken a pay cut which I suspect he may have.
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He was good towards the end of last season
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sums up what is wrong at our club for me, too many of our players are on easy street, money for not doing a lot!
4 year deals are for your best players not a player who lets be honest only has a handfull of good games per season. for me it should be a max of 2 years.
If he is so good how come no other club ever shows an interest in wanting him?
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Overall I like Gabby, and on his day he makes us a totally different side and must be a nightmare to play against. Sadly, just lately those days don't happen very often. He really hasn't delivered anywhere near enough the last 3 or 4 seasons imo. For approx £50K a week we should be getting more from him.
I'm happy enough with him signing a new contract. I think he suits the system we play under Lambert. I don't think he's 100% fit at the moment but overall he does need to add more goals to his game (the same goes for Weimann). That said, we do seem to miss him when he's not on the pitch.
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His recent performances have not merited a new contract. I doubt there's too many clubs queuing up for his services so I hope this is a pay cut.
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No reason to offer a four year deal unless there's loads of other clubs after him, which I doubt.
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Doesn't merit a 4 years deal though does depend on the amount he is on to be fair.
Let's face facts no-one decent would sign him - he has been fairly ineffective for the last 4 seasons.
As for Lambert dear lord no way has he done anything to merit anything other than a year's extension - again no-one decent will sign him currently. Unless he improves Villa a good deal more there is only one direction for his career trajectory.
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No reason to offer a four year deal unless there's loads of other clubs after him, which I doubt.
At his age offering him a four year contract is probably one of the ways of keeping his weekly salary down. His worth isn't going to increase from here so if you offer him a two year contract he's going to want a higher salary to compensate for the risk that he may not get a decent contract in two years time. A four year contract gives him security and that will cost him by way of a lower annual salary.
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I can see the logic in offering a four year deal because it increases the chance that he'll take a pay cut as the gross amount is £X (loads) whereas a 2-year deal offers security for a shorter period which would be a consideration for players as they might get injured at any point.
I also think it could also encourage him to be come more of an ambassador at the club, a guy the younger players can look up to.
No complaints from me.
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4 years is sensible, he is a striker and it takes him to 31.
Yes he can be inconsistent at times but he demonstrates a thoroughly professional and committed attitude at all times to the club.
The reality is that unless we are going to suddenly transform into a top four side competing to sign the best strikers in the world then Gabby is good enough to be a regular for us.
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So we are supposed to be culling high-earners not worth anything like the pay-packet they are on but let's just make an exception for Gabby because he is a fan?
I hate this club sometimes...
You hate the club you support because they're giving a player a new contract?
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He needs to offer more on a consistent basis. As regards Delph and Vlaar they definitely deserve new deals.
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So we are supposed to be culling high-earners not worth anything like the pay-packet they are on but let's just make an exception for Gabby because he is a fan?
I hate this club sometimes...
You hate the club you support because they're giving a player a new contract?
You love an argument.
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I think that, because his form can be so erratic, people tend to judge gabby on his last 4-5 games so he goes from world beater to championship quality with very little in between.
For me Gabby wins us a handful of games every season by having ones of those days where everything goes his way, for example he was excellent against Sunderland and Liverpool in January (Liverpool in particular we fell apart in an attacking sense when he went off). so if his good performances earn us points I don't have a problem with keeping him around, what I would like to see though is someone to pressure him when he's not performing. I like the look of Robinson playing left of a front 3 so I hope he gets a few sub appearances over the next couple of months and then is involved over the summer.
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No reason to offer a four year deal unless there's loads of other clubs after him, which I doubt.
Disagree, if he had better service he would score more often. If he became available, I'm sure quite a few clubs would be after him, especially with his pace which always unsettles a defence.
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So we are supposed to be culling high-earners not worth anything like the pay-packet they are on but let's just make an exception for Gabby because he is a fan?
I hate this club sometimes...
You hate the club you support because they're giving a player a new contract?
Agree, Gabby is a loyal servant to the club and deserves a new deal.
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No reason to offer a four year deal unless there's loads of other clubs after him, which I doubt.
Disagree, if he had better service he would score more often. If he became available, I'm sure quite a few clubs would be after him, especially with his pace which always unsettles a defence.
He has missed plenty of chances this season and even when he had Downing,Young,Milner and Barry creating an abundance of chances he never looked like being a 20 goals a season man. I like Gabby, his pace poses a real threat but he's at his level with this current Villa side.
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I'd want to keep him but not on £50k a week. I'm a big Gabby fan but his shortcomings are pretty obvious and to be honest i'd put him in the £25-35k bracket.
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Overall I like Gabby, and on his day he makes us a totally different side and must be a nightmare to play against. Sadly, just lately those days don't happen very often. He really hasn't delivered anywhere near enough the last 3 or 4 seasons imo. For approx £50K a week we should be getting more from him.
That's my opinion, too.
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I'm a big fan of Gabby's so I'm pleased he's going to sign a new contract.
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I think its good news. He has been a great stalwart for the club, and still is one of our best players. Good inifluence for the youngsters, and one of the last single club players.
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No reason to offer a four year deal unless there's loads of other clubs after him, which I doubt.
Disagree, if he had better service he would score more often. If he became available, I'm sure quite a few clubs would be after him, especially with his pace which always unsettles a defence.
I'm sure QPR would be in for him. Probably Crystal Palace and maybe Sunderland.
I very mich doubt anyone better than Villa, even after our 4 years of mediocrity/shite, would want him.
I'd keep him if and only if he is taking a fairly decen paycut.
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If the contract is for the same wedge or he gets an increase, then no. We could get more for that type of money elsewhere.
If he takes a pay cut (and IMO I don't see that happening) then four years is to long. Two years max.
Lambert... sorry, I'm not a fan for many reasons, so no.
Delph and Vlaar? I just hope they are putting together something right this minute.
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I think its good news. He has been a great stalwart for the club, and still is one of our best players. Good inifluence for the youngsters, and one of the last single club players.
Agree with all of that plus he makes us a better team when he is in the side because it helps create space for others to exploit.
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If the contract is for the same wedge or he gets an increase, then no. We could get more for that type of money elsewhere.
If he takes a pay cut (and IMO I don't see that happening) then four years is to long. Two years max.
Lambert... sorry, I'm not a fan for many reasons, so no.
Delph and Vlaar? I just hope they are putting together something right this minute.
Agree Delph and Vlaar should be the 'winners' in any new pay / contract deals. Did Guzan get a new deal at the end of last season? If not he should be considered too.
None of the others merit it based on this season.
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I think his role will change next season.
For me he's still one of our key players and first names on the teamsheet away from home. Our best away results and performances this season have been with him as a key man.
But he simply dosen't produce enough in the home games to warrant regular starts at VP imo so I want to see him and Weimann rotated more.
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The question is does he deserve a new 4 year contract, it's a simple answer for me. No
I've never rated him he's far too inconsistent.
The simple answer for me is, "Yes". I think he brings far more to the club than just his abilities as a footballer (which, on his day, are up there with the very best.) He is a one club man and, as such, is a player who the younger lads can look up to and take inspiration from. We need a culture and ethos of loyalty to the club in and around Bodymoor/Villa Park and Gabby is one of the cornerstones of that.
If you need reminding of Gabby's abilities check out the video of all the goals he has scored for Villa and then check out all of his assists.
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He's been quiet in recent weeks (perhaps in need of a rest) but still a key player this season. The fact remains that we look worse when he's not playing. We can't afford better players than him, and that doesn't look like changing in the near future. I'm more than happy to tie Gabby down for another 4 years though. He's largely been a very good servant. Frustrating as hell, but when he's on it, he's a joy to watch.
In a squad largely lacking in Premiership quality, we need to do our best to keep players who are capable in this league. Which Gabby is.
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He's been quiet in recent weeks
Unusual for Gabby. He's got form for upping his performances when contract negotiations are due....
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He's been quiet in recent weeks
Unusual for Gabby. He's got form for upping his performances when contract negotiations are due....
Maybe he wasn't told before last week! ;)
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The question is does he deserve a new 4 year contract, it's a simple answer for me. No
I've never rated him he's far too inconsistent.
The simple answer for me is, "Yes". I think he brings far more to the club than just his abilities as a footballer (which, on his day, are up there with the very best.) He is a one club man and, as such, is a player who the younger lads can look up to and take inspiration from. We need a culture and ethos of loyalty to the club in and around Bodymoor/Villa Park and Gabby is one of the cornerstones of that.
If you need reminding of Gabby's abilities check out the video of all the goals he has scored for Villa and then check out all of his assists.
I remember lots of good stuff under MON though can't seem to remember all that much since, occasional moments for sure, .
Maybe there is merit in the dressing room / training ground stuff in terms of figurehead but still don't see a 4 year deal who at best would be going to Sunderland, Norwich or the like.
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This is a good move if true. I don't think Gabby is ever going to be a world class striker but he has given us some memorable displays. As he relies purely on speed his game is going to suffer in the next few years unless he adopts a different style however I doubt if he is capable of doing that at this level. Still we need to keep him and he could be a very useful "off the bench" player in the ladt twenty minutes or so when we need him.
Oh finally as he was born and bred in Nechells and NOT Erdington he deserves another contract.
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I also noticed that after Bentekes outrageous dive on Sunday that it was Gabby who pushed him away from the ref and tried to ask 'is it possible that there was just a little bit of contact?' - then left it.
Whilst it has never worked having him as captain, there is definitely hints of that maturity & influence in his on pitch presence at times.
He s not turned into the world beater he looked like he might have at the beginning, but he scores & makes some important goals, the threat he poses (whether real or not on the day!) creates space for other players, & we miss him when he is out.
I also love a Gabby goal more than any other kind - so I'm happy.
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No problem with this for me...yes his form dips and rises, but who's doesn't? We always miss him when he's not available, and he's scored some notable goals over the years, not least in derbies. He'll do for me.
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It would look totally wrong seeing him in another team's colours so I'm glad we're hanging onto him. He's not the greatest but on his day he can be the best. We need more days like that from him.
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He'll be due a testimonial soon so that'll offset some of his loss if he has taken a pay cut.
Would like to see Vlaar and Delph signed up as soon as possible.
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As he relies purely on speed his game is going to suffer in the next few years unless he adopts a different style however I doubt if he is capable of doing that at this level. Still we need to keep him and he could be a very useful "off the bench" player in the ladt twenty minutes or so when we need him.
We are no Man Citeh who can afford having squad players on fifty grand a week.
We have been told for a number of seasons now that we have to run the club within our means and having players on that type of money and sitting on the bench is not one of them. It was this type of thing that got us in the shit in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, I would love Gabby to still be around, but not on top dollar over a four year contract.
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Good news for me. A player that exemplifies what football could do with a lot more of, integrity. A local boy that loves the club he plays for. A few years ago, when he was first in and around the national side, he could easily have engineered a move to a higher paying club as so many of our other players have in recent years. We also lack a distinct level of experience in the squad losing Gabby would be a death knell.
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I think its good news. He has been a great stalwart for the club, and still is one of our best players. Good inifluence for the youngsters, and one of the last single club players.
Agree with all of that plus he makes us a better team when he is in the side because it helps create space for others to exploit.
He would create space for others if he moved occasionally!!! Shouldn't be considered a first choice for every game - squad and impact player at best for me
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Squad and impact for me as well, he's better away from home when were playing on the counter and he can be a threat, can be a bit flat at home but I always knew he'd finish his career here. Also our top scorer in the premiership
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It's no secret that I bloody love Gabby so smiles all round from me!
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good squad player . Need a better player to start to push on from where we are every season and that includes weimann too .
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Delph deserves his , one of the shining lights this season .
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So we are supposed to be culling high-earners not worth anything like the pay-packet they are on but let's just make an exception for Gabby because he is a fan?
I hate this club sometimes...
A new contender for Most Melodramatic Post of the Year emerges
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Good news, glad it looks like he'll be staying til he retires. I've said it before the day he retires and walks over to clap the Holte one last time is going to be so goddamn emotional.
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Good news, glad it looks like he'll be staying til he retires. I've said it before the day he retires and walks over to clap the Holte one last time is going to be so goddamn emotional.
Imagine how emotional it would be if he decides to start scoring a few goals.
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It was funny when he clattered that fella out of One Direction though
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I think Gabby would be helped by having genuine competition and the opportunity to be a rotation or impact player. When he's been fit he's generally always played since his first full season.
He's been jaded in recent weeks. He probably needs a rest but of course there are no alternatives who will offer anything like the sort of impact on a game that Gabby can.
Get good competition for he and Weimann next season, it'll make them both raise there game, but also give us more options and the ability to rest our better players when they're getting burned out.
With injuries and also now a lot of miles on his clock, I'm not sure Gabby has it in him to play 45 (sometimes more) games a season like he did in his early days under O Neill. He played virtually every game. Now he picks up niggles during seasons, and he's of course getting older too.
Gabby will continue being a key player but for our sake, and partly his, he shouldn't be playing every single week. Being seemingly undroppable too, is not good for any player.
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Does not do enough to deserve a four year contract, to me give him 2 years with a 12 month extension
I know he is a villa lad but he is not worth a 3 year contract on top money
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It was funny when he clattered that fella out of One Direction though
He should get a 10 year deal just for that.
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You don't just discard your valued and experienced players. Not only that he's a good person to have around the club. He offers more than just his playing ability, and with Gabby the challenge is and always has been consistency. When he's hot he's verging on national team selection because he is that effective. But he has scored and set up some of the most important goals in our recent history. Goals that we can all recall because they were that crucial. He is tremendous ambassador for the club, does a lot of charity work, never complains and is a dedicated employee and servant. They don't just grow on trees and in an era where loyalty is practically a thing of the past it is refreshing to see him want to stay. And if anyone at the club is 100% behind the new direction that club wants to take it will be him. I'm sure he won't be poor after his new deal, but I'll bet he'll buy into the aims of the club and agree to a contract to allow the club to get in better players.
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He's good enough for me...bloody frustrating sometimes but will do for me
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I can't see anywhere in that article that says what he'll be earning. How can anyone say he's worth it if we don't know what "it" is?
How much is he on?
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I wonder what the reaction would be if he wasn't a fan.
Agbonlahor on top form is a great player to have but how often is he on top form? Three games a season?
So many attacks have been wasted because he doesn't know what to do with the ball. Probably the most frustrating player we have.
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Better than most of what we have at the moment so has to happen. Still think he's got plenty to offer us going into the next 4 years.
Not so sure about Vlaar, who overall for us has been a polished carthorse, but i guess considering our current situation we could do worse.
Delph is a must, obviously.
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He cost us nothing to buy in the first place. He probably still hasn't cost as much as Bent or Ireland yet.
Contributed a huge amount in that time too.
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I think Gabby would be helped by having genuine competition and the opportunity to be a rotation or impact player. When he's been fit he's generally always played since his first full season.
He's been jaded in recent weeks. He probably needs a rest but of course there are no alternatives who will offer anything like the sort of impact on a game that Gabby can.
Get good competition for he and Weimann next season, it'll make them both raise there game, but also give us more options and the ability to rest our better players when they're getting burned out.
With injuries and also now a lot of miles on his clock, I'm not sure Gabby has it in him to play 45 (sometimes more) games a season like he did in his early days under O Neill. He played virtually every game. Now he picks up niggles during seasons, and he's of course getting older too.
Gabby will continue being a key player but for our sake, and partly his, he shouldn't be playing every single week. Being seemingly undroppable too, is not good for any player.
Nail on head.
He should start most times for us away from home but at VP he's just so easily marked out of the game, off the top of people's heads how many good games has Gabby had at Villa Park?
Due to Tonev being rubbish and helenius seemingly not ready we just haven't rotated our frontline enough particularly as Weimann has been pretty poor for the most part.
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I wonder what the reaction would be if he wasn't a fan.
Agbonlahor on top form is a great player to have but how often is he on top form? Three games a season?
So many attacks have been wasted because he doesn't know what to do with the ball. Probably the most frustrating player we have.
Gabby has contributed to pretty much all our good away wins/performances this year (Arsenal, Liverpool, Sunderland, Southampton, Norwich) so there's five there.
I agree he's pretty rubbish at VP nowadays but then so are most of the team.
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4 year deal ? he deserves to get it, just for pissing off Moaninho....
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Good news, glad it looks like he'll be staying til he retires. I've said it before the day he retires and walks over to clap the Holte one last time is going to be so goddamn emotional.
Imagine how emotional it would be if he decides to start scoring a few goals.
Jesus.
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Excellent news.
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Good news about Gabby (I'm making the assumption that its a longer deal because he isn't being paid as much).
Good news about Ron, he deserves it.
Absolutely great, fantastic news about Delph - get him tied down for as long as possible.
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Good news, glad it looks like he'll be staying til he retires. I've said it before the day he retires and walks over to clap the Holte one last time is going to be so goddamn emotional.
Imagine how emotional it would be if he decides to start scoring a few goals.
Jesus.
I know. Short memories, some people
Old Trafford this weekend isn't it? How many goals has he scored there again?
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Good news, glad it looks like he'll be staying til he retires. I've said it before the day he retires and walks over to clap the Holte one last time is going to be so goddamn emotional.
Imagine how emotional it would be if he decides to start scoring a few goals.
Jesus.
I know. Short memories, some people
Old Trafford this weekend isn't it? How many goals has he scored there again?
Two.
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So we are supposed to be culling high-earners not worth anything like the pay-packet they are on but let's just make an exception for Gabby because he is a fan?
I hate this club sometimes...
You hate the club you support because they're giving a player a new contract?
More that I hate some of the decisions made at the club. I can't think of a player less deserving to be on ~£50k per week let alone be awarded a new four year deal.
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Good news, glad it looks like he'll be staying til he retires. I've said it before the day he retires and walks over to clap the Holte one last time is going to be so goddamn emotional.
Imagine how emotional it would be if he decides to start scoring a few goals.
Jesus.
I know. Short memories, some people
Old Trafford this weekend isn't it? How many goals has he scored there again?
Two.
4?
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6
Are we doing the Tom Robinson song?
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I also noticed that after Bentekes outrageous dive on Sunday that it was Gabby who pushed him away from the ref and tried to ask 'is it possible that there was just a little bit of contact?' - then left it.
Whilst it has never worked having him as captain, there is definitely hints of that maturity & influence in his on pitch presence at times.
I'm of this opinion too, I think he's one of the few big voices in the dressing room. (Delph Vlaar Guzan).
Typified by him confronting Ramires after that "tackle" on El Ahmadi.
I think that sort of thing takes on a greater importance than usual, when we are trying so hard to integrate
and develop a whole set of players who (for the most part) had no Premier league experience before joining the club.
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Good news, glad it looks like he'll be staying til he retires. I've said it before the day he retires and walks over to clap the Holte one last time is going to be so goddamn emotional.
Imagine how emotional it would be if he decides to start scoring a few goals.
Jesus.
I know. Short memories, some people
Old Trafford this weekend isn't it? How many goals has he scored there again?
Two.
4?
I counted 3 at Old Trafford, and one at home.
4 against Utd in 8 years of playing Utd. That's not fantastic on paper, but the reality is we don't often score against them and he's often the most likely of our players to find the net. He tends to raise his game when playing them, so here's hoping.
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So we are supposed to be culling high-earners not worth anything like the pay-packet they are on but let's just make an exception for Gabby because he is a fan?
I hate this club sometimes...
You hate the club you support because they're giving a player a new contract?
More that I hate some of the decisions made at the club. I can't think of a player less deserving to be on ~£50k per week let alone be awarded a new four year deal.
Well what happened to 'we'll support you evermore'...be constructive
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Yeah my mistake, it is 3 at Old Trafford. I forgot the one in 2007.
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I also noticed that after Bentekes outrageous dive on Sunday that it was Gabby who pushed him away from the ref and tried to ask 'is it possible that there was just a little bit of contact?' - then left it.
Whilst it has never worked having him as captain, there is definitely hints of that maturity & influence in his on pitch presence at times.
I'm of this opinion too, I think he's one of the few big voices in the dressing room. (Delph Vlaar Guzan).
Typified by him confronting Ramires after that "tackle" on El Ahmadi.
I think that sort of thing takes on a greater importance than usual, when we are trying so hard to integrate
and develop a whole set of players who (for the most part) had no Premier league experience before joining the club.
I think it's essential to have someone playing for you club who represents your club and bleeds your colours. Getting rid of Gabby would be foolish. He's been in the first team about 8 years now. He's Villa through and through. Does this mean he gets cut some slack sometimes that other players may not? On occasion.
On the flipside unless you're a club who can spend a billion on crafting a squad of the best players around, most successful clubs need someone in the side who absolutely gets the club, and will always give their all. Gabby is this. Most clubs need players like this. Utd still have Giggs, and lets face it the more they've lost the likes of Neville, Scholes etc over the years, the worse they get. Liverpool still have Gerrard. Chelsea have Terry still. Lampard was raised by West Ham of course, but he's been at Chelsea for a decade now and has become ingrained within the club and always gives his all.
Why do Arsenal fall short? Where are players like Adams? Long gone and haven't been replaced. Most of the academy who come through tend to be foreign lads who probably grew up adoring Barca, or whoever.
Now Gabby might not be as good as Gerrard, Giggs, etc, but for our level, he's good enough. Whenever you sign a new player you can't always gaurantee they'll take to the club and love it. When you raise a player like Gabby through the ranks you know he will. You have a good inclination that given the chance he'll stay for life.
We're in the footballing mercenary world these days. For every Juan Pablo Angel (who came and even despite some rocky patches and questionnable treatment by the club in his first year) and Carew who loved the club, you have someone like Baros or Downing who saw us as a paycheque and probably a stepping stone to something better.
It's also rare that a player grows up watching from the stands, comes up through the ranks and makes it as a long term player of the club he loves. When it happens, I don't think it should be underestimated. Plus as we've seen, year on year, even if Gabby's having a bad season, when you get to a point where you really, really need a goal. The one man you bet on is Gabby Agbonlahor.
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Personally I think gabby is lucky to be a regular in the side based on his displays - a new 4 year deal seems well over the top to me .
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Well what happened to 'we'll support you evermore'...be constructive
My hate for unprogressive decisions made by the club is derived from my support for them.
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Wasn't Sstevie G and Everton fan as a kid?
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The flipside though Tom is if Gabby performed more often, goals against West Ham, Norwich etc wouldn't be the big goals we really needed at the time. I think that is why he is so frustrating.
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Wasn't Sstevie G and Everton fan as a kid?
No , carragher and Ian rush were though.
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Wasn't Sstevie G and Everton fan as a kid?
No , carragher and Ian rush were though.
I'm sure he was/is as there is a photo around somewhre of him in a full Everton kit....
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Wasn't Sstevie G and Everton fan as a kid?
No , carragher and Ian rush were though.
I'm sure he was/is as there is a photo around somewhre of him in a full Everton kit....
There is, but supposedly some relative made him dress up in it.
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The flipside though Tom is if Gabby performed more often, goals against West Ham, Norwich etc wouldn't be the big goals we really needed at the time. I think that is why he is so frustrating.
Agree. For every vital goal he scores there is an equally vital miss in another game. For every big performance he puts in during an important game there is a non-showing in an equally important game.
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The flipside though Tom is if Gabby performed more often, goals against West Ham, Norwich etc wouldn't be the big goals we really needed at the time. I think that is why he is so frustrating.
You can't single him out for the poor performance of the team for the last few years
There were big goals against the Blues (take your pick), the win at Old Trafford, the 2-0 win at the Emirates, 2-0 win at Home to Chelsea, when we were doing well too. They were big goals. Am I right there was a goal away to Blackburn to seal a win to put us 3rd in the table at one point?
I think people are being bent out of shape about money.
Everyone earns too much. If it bothers you, don't watch football
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Personally I think gabby is lucky to be a regular in the side based on his displays - a new 4 year deal seems well over the top to me .
Who have we got that you'd play ahead of him, Eastie?
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On the one hand this is the worst Villa team for 20/30/40 years. On the other Gabby isn't good enough for us...
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The flipside though Tom is if Gabby performed more often, goals against West Ham, Norwich etc wouldn't be the big goals we really needed at the time. I think that is why he is so frustrating.
You can't single him out for the poor performance of the team for the last few years
There were big goals against the Blues (take your pick), the win at Old Trafford, the 2-0 win at the Emirates, 2-0 win at Home to Chelsea, when we were doing well too. They were big goals. Am I right there was a goal away to Blackburn to seal a win to put us 3rd in the table at one point?
I think people are being bent out of shape about money.
Everyone earns too much. If it bothers you, don't watch football
I haven't singled him out, if you read my comments you see I give him praise as well as saying I like him. I am though going to constructively criticise a player that pretty much every season goes missing for months.
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On the one hand this is the worst Villa team for 20/30/40 years. On the other Gabby isn't good enough for us...
I suppose you want all this discussion to be relevant? Some hope!
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On the one hand this is the worst Villa team for 20/30/40 years. On the other Gabby isn't good enough for us...
I think the more relevant point is whether he worthy of being one of our highest earners, especially in light of the cost-cutting measures taken in regards to our wage budget in recent years.
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On the one hand this is the worst Villa team for 20/30/40 years. On the other Gabby isn't good enough for us...
I think the more relevant point is whether he worthy of being one of our highest earners, especially in light of the cost-cutting measures taken in regards to our wage budget in recent years.
So let him leave for next to nothing and go out and spend another £8m + to replace him. Don't offer him another contract of any substance and lose him so that we can recall Bowery...and slag the club off for not holding onto one of our most experienced players. One of our few truely attacking threats capable of changing a game.
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Wasn't Sstevie G and Everton fan as a kid?
No , carragher and Ian rush were though.
I'm sure he was/is as there is a photo around somewhre of him in a full Everton kit....
There is, but supposedly some relative made him dress up in it.
Sounds like he's re-writing his own history to me. How many people on here would wear a Blues kit for a photo if they were told to by a relative?
Owen, Carragher, Fowler, Gerrard were all Evertonians weren't they?
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Does he warrant a new contract?
Yes he does
Does he warrant to be the highest earner at the club of the on field regulars?
Most certainly not based on the last 2 years. I assume he is currently at the very top end exlcuding the bomb squad.
Does he warrant a 4 year deal?
No (IMO) a 2 year deal with an extension offer. I doubt he will get any better if truth be told as not sure he has the ability (or the coaching available) to adapt his game.
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Wasn't Sstevie G and Everton fan as a kid?
No , carragher and Ian rush were though.
I'm sure he was/is as there is a photo around somewhre of him in a full Everton kit....
There is, but supposedly some relative made him dress up in it.
Sounds like he's re-writing his own history to me. How many people on here would wear a Blues kit for a photo if they were told to by a relative?
Owen, Carragher, Fowler, Gerrard were all Evertonians weren't they?
Owen, Carragher and Fowler were as kids.
Think there is some debate about StevieMe obviously. His cousin died at Hilsbrough but it is fairly common to have evenly split or otherwise divided football supporting households in Scouseland.
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On the one hand this is the worst Villa team for 20/30/40 years. On the other Gabby isn't good enough for us...
I think the more relevant point is whether he worthy of being one of our highest earners, especially in light of the cost-cutting measures taken in regards to our wage budget in recent years.
So let him leave for next to nothing and go out and spend another £8m + to replace him. Don't offer him another contract of any substance and lose him so that we can recall Bowery...and slag the club off for not holding onto one of our most experienced players. One of our few truely attacking threats capable of changing a game.
Agreed. The cost of replacing him is higher than that of him being one of the higher earners in the squad.
We also didn't pay a bean to sign him in the first place.
Delph will have cost more than Gabby at this point, and that's before Delph signs his new contract and we have the whole 'Should we really be giving Delph a contract when he is injury prone' conversation
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On the one hand this is the worst Villa team for 20/30/40 years. On the other Gabby isn't good enough for us...
I think the more relevant point is whether he worthy of being one of our highest earners, especially in light of the cost-cutting measures taken in regards to our wage budget in recent years.
So let him leave for next to nothing and go out and spend another £8m + to replace him. Don't offer him another contract of any substance and lose him so that we can recall Bowery...and slag the club off for not holding onto one of our most experienced players. One of our few truely attacking threats capable of changing a game.
Agreed. The cost of replacing him is higher than that of him being one of the higher earners in the squad.
We also didn't pay a bean to sign him in the first place.
Delph will have cost more than Gabby at this point, and that's before Delph signs his new contract and we have the whole 'Should we really be giving Delph a contract when he is injury prone' conversation
Maybe but Delph warrants a new contract as he has been the best outfield player for 18 months overall, has improved and with the right coaching can get much better as he is coming towards his prime.
This is different to Gabby on a number of levels.
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The thing is with Gabby, is that I think he's a lower half premier league player at best.Granted that makes him good enough for us at the moment.
However, is giving this type of player a long term, not inexpensive contract really the route we want to take?
I wouldn't mind keeping him as a squad player on around 20k a week tops.
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I'd sell him and N'Zog in the summer and start again up front.Gabbs not consistent enough to be such a high earner imho.
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I'd give him a 10 year contract and a crown to wear when playing.
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Get rid and buy Alfreð Finnbogason before someone else does. We know what to expect from gabby by now and that isn't goals.
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Personally I think gabby is lucky to be a regular in the side based on his displays - a new 4 year deal seems well over the top to me .
Who have we got that you'd play ahead of him, Eastie?
I'd be looking for better in that position in the summer , he'd be a useful impact sub but I don't think he's done enough performance wise to merit a 4 year deal - his good days are too rare.
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There comes a point where you need to reward long term players and stalwarts of the club. I would say Gabby largely deserves it. Granted he's frustrating and inconsistent and he certainly should deliver more.
For me, the last 3-4 years our squad has been decimated. We currently have the worst side I've ever known us to have in terms of quality. That's being brutally honest. When Gabby doesn't play, we generally miss him because he's one of the few players we have who have the ability to turn a game. So right now he's very much a key player. For me he's been here 8 years. He deserves to be given the option to finish his career here. He hasn't always had an easy ride. Like many, he didn't enjoy working with Houllier, he possibly could have pushed for a move, but he stuck it out.
Do we need a better option? Probably yes. Are there affordable options out there on our budget who can offer what Gabby does and more (with more consistency)? Probably not, barring a piece of inspired scouting like Benteke.
The other thing is, Gab has been here 8 years. In that time many strikers have come and gone at the club: Angel, Baros, Phillips, Moore,, Sutton, Harewood, Heskey, Delfouneso, Weimann Carew, Bent, Benteke, Kozak, Helenius, Bowery. How many of the strikers have had the ability to turn games by themselves? Pick up the ball and make something happen?
Gabby, Benteke and Carew probably. Bent as an example was always reliant on service.
We've had a lot of front men and Gabby has managed to still stand out above most of them. That says part about the quality of our signings of course, and the standard of fellow graduates, but still, he's stood out and has given his all for the club, and loves the club like none of the above could claim to probably. Many have come, gone, underwhelmed, or looked to fuck off at the first sign of something "better." Lest we not forget Benteke tried to jump ship last summer before seeing sense. Some may claim Gabby's never attracted interest which would likely be wide of the mark. Certainly in his younger days he was well thought of. I think a fair few clubs may have sniffed around, but we can only go by the odd rumour here and there over the years.
Does he deserve a payrise? No, not really. In that regard I can wholly agree. I think coming to his age, if he was to move he'd be looking at his last top level move, so I would say to stay here he should be willing (and I think he will) to remain on parity at best, but possibly take a paycut. Or perhaps they may work out a deal whereby he'll get parity for the first two years, and then his wage will go down in the final two? Who knows.
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He deserves a deal, but he should contribute more often than he does.
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He deserves a deal, but he should contribute more often than he does.
No question there. Better players around him will help. The ability to rest players, like him, will also help. He's looked jaded recently, as his Weimann, but we have only Albrighton as an adequate replacement for either.
We're pretty shite at the moment so occasionally you need someone to become a game turner for you. I'm think Norwich away last season. Probably Norwich at home this season, Arsenal away this, among others, but we have Gabby and Benteke, possibly Delph, who are really the only players who can drag the rest of the team single handed.
That's where we're at at the moment. Gabby might not do it often enough, but he still does it and has the capability to. Until we can afford someone more consistent (which seems a long way off) who can, he warrants his deal.
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So let him leave for next to nothing and go out and spend another £8m + to replace him. Don't offer him another contract of any substance and lose him so that we can recall Bowery...and slag the club off for not holding onto one of our most experienced players. One of our few truely attacking threats capable of changing a game.
If you ignore the wage factor then that is how it may seem. £50k per week over four years would equate to £10.4m. Even if paid £6-7m to replace him with somebody on even half that, then financially it pretty much evens out and that's not even taking the potential sell-on value of any replacement into account. For what it's worth, if Gabby were to take a pay-cut and earn the same as most if the others in the squad then I would tolerate him as a squad-player.
Also, you describe a guy with 3 goals in 23 starts as a 'truely attacking threat'! Seriously?
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He looked completely exhausted after the Chelsea game. He ran himself into the ground as did Weimann. I think if Gabby can be rotated, and that goes for any of our better players they will all be better for it. The issue we have right now is that the options off the bench aren't always of the needed quality, but as the squad fills out and deepends you would hope that is addressed. All of the good sides are able to rotate players and keep the best ones fresh. When you are a sprinter like Gabby the toll over the season is that much more than it would be on players who are not so dynamic.
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He looked completely exhausted after the Chelsea game. He ran himself into the ground as did Weimann. I think if Gabby can be rotated, and that goes for any of our better players they will all be better for it. The issue we have right now is that the options off the bench aren't always of the needed quality, but as the squad fills out and deepends you would hope that is addressed. All of the good sides are able to rotate players and keep the best ones fresh. When you are a sprinter like Gabby the toll over the season is that much more than it would be on players who are not so dynamic.
He'd had nearly 2 weeks rest between Norwich and Chavski. 8 days between Chavski and Stoke. It's not like he, or any of the squad are playing twice a week every week.
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Gabby has scored 3 times this season, those goals have got us 7 points. Where would be without those points? Flipside, where would we be if he scored a few more?
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I know he's one of us etc, etc, but he's far too inconsistent and he's reached the age when his biggest asset - his pace - is only going to go in one direction.
Two year deal max, with an option of additional year. The Villa is his club, but it's also the biggest club he'll ever play for.
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If he had a brain and could play football he'd be brilliant!
I think his prime has gone (playing alongside Carew with MON as manager), but still think he has a part to play at Villa.
Defenders shit themselves whenever someone fast runs at them, so whether we play him to do it from the start or bring on towards the end, he's useful to have.
However, I hope he's not going to be paid a stupid wage, because that would be ridiculous given we're trying to get rid of average players on stupid wages.
He's Villa through and through (probably why he escapes a lot of criticism), and he rarely gives less than 100% effort, but sometimes his play is very poor.
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He's definitely average but he's got the one asset - genuine pace - that is very expensive to replace.
I think that if wages weren't being considered he'd be given a shorter contract but the offer of a longer contract will be to keep his wages down. I think this is a sensible move.
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Another Gabby is important and at the same time frustrating fact. When is the last time he scored for us, in any competitive game, and we lost?
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He looked completely exhausted after the Chelsea game. He ran himself into the ground as did Weimann. I think if Gabby can be rotated, and that goes for any of our better players they will all be better for it. The issue we have right now is that the options off the bench aren't always of the needed quality, but as the squad fills out and deepends you would hope that is addressed. All of the good sides are able to rotate players and keep the best ones fresh. When you are a sprinter like Gabby the toll over the season is that much more than it would be on players who are not so dynamic.
He'd had nearly 2 weeks rest between Norwich and Chavski. 8 days between Chavski and Stoke. It's not like he, or any of the squad are playing twice a week every week.
the entire side looked dreadful for 70 minutes against Stoke. I'm not making excuses for him other than pointing out that his game is sprinting and running hard which any sprinter will tell you is sapping. And especially after a good percentage of a season. That's not to say that he won't get another burst. I just thought he looked particularly jaded towards the end of the Chelsea game for all of the running he did, not only in attack but tracking back.
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Another Gabby is important and at the same time frustrating fact. When is the last time he scored for us, in any competitive game, and we lost?
Isn't that just as likely to indicate that he only scores against shit defences?
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Gabby is one of those rare players that has pretty much scored against every team hasn't he, or close to it. He just doesn't do it enough for his ability. I think PWS is just saying that he could do with scoring more because we don't lose very often when he does.
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I'm not even sure his form/consistency even warrants a 2 year extension nevermind 4. One great game in 5 or more really isn't enough for me.
Nice bloke, Villa fan, heart in the right place. Great, but not enough on the pitch where it matters.
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So let him leave for next to nothing and go out and spend another £8m + to replace him. Don't offer him another contract of any substance and lose him so that we can recall Bowery...and slag the club off for not holding onto one of our most experienced players. One of our few truely attacking threats capable of changing a game.
If you ignore the wage factor then that is how it may seem. £50k per week over four years would equate to £10.4m. Even if paid £6-7m to replace him with somebody on even half that, then financially it pretty much evens out and that's not even taking the potential sell-on value of any replacement into account. For what it's worth, if Gabby were to take a pay-cut and earn the same as most if the others in the squad then I would tolerate him as a squad-player.
Also, you describe a guy with 3 goals in 23 starts as a 'truely attacking threat'! Seriously?
He's a winger, not a centre forward. How many goals has he set up/been involved in?
I'll start off with arsenal and Liverpool away as two good places to go looking.
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agreed. Also, while he can be criticised for his goal output, you're right he sets up quite a few, and his running off the ball plus the space he creates because defenders have to respect his speed does open things up for other players.
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Good news if true. Who are Villa going to sign in the next couple of years that would be any better?
Sign Albrighton up as well
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Gabby has managed just 3 goals all season! I like him but sorry,no way is he worth a 4 year contract with that sort of record
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Good news, glad it looks like he'll be staying til he retires. I've said it before the day he retires and walks over to clap the Holte one last time is going to be so goddamn emotional.
Well he's no Johnny Dixon but has been here a long time and always try's his best. Thats why manager's play him. At his best under MON when he really was feared by opposition defenders. As long as its low money Im happy to see him stay.
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He is still one of the few in our squad who has a big game mentality, Benteke is the other.
Over the years he's scored various derby winners for us and generally been the player who the top teams feared until Benteke came along.
Even this season he was the key player in beating Arsenal away and so nearly Liverpool. So two top 4 teams he's had great games against but clearly motivation is more of a problem against some of the lesser teams so he needs to be rotated more for these games. This Calum Robinson lad scoring for the reserves, anyone reckon he could become an alternative for Gabby next season? I doubt he's as quick but seems he's hardworking and can play across the forward line?
On balance I think he's worth a new deal but 4 years is a little generous. I suppose from the clubs viewpoints they'd prefer to give him a long term deal now and once he's in his 30s the deals will only be 1-2 years with probably a lower wage rather than say give him a 3 year deal now and have to negiotate in 18 months when he'll still be under 30.
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For anyone who might be interested, the last time he scored and we lost was Dec 1st 2010. The cup match at small heath.
Last time he scored in a league game we lost was Blackburn away, Sept 26th 2009.
In fact I can only find 6 league games he's scored and and we lost. And 3 of those were Manure (a 2007, h 2007 a 2009) and the other two were Liverpool away (2006) and his debut at Everton. And the other game we lost he scored in was Rapid Feckin' Vienna (2010)
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This should have a poll.
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For anyone who might be interested, the last time he scored and we lost was Dec 1st 2010. The cup match at small heath.
Last time he scored in a league game we lost was Blackburn away, Sept 26th 2009.
In fact I can only find 6 league games he's scored and and we lost. And 3 of those were Manure (a 2007, h 2007 a 2009) and the other two were Liverpool away (2006) and his debut at Everton. And the other game we lost he scored in was Rapid Feckin' Vienna (2010)
It'd be lovely if we could lock him in a training ground with Messi for a couple of months in pre-season, and have him come back as a 30 goal striker. We might win the league! ;)
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The thing is with Gabby, is that I think he's a lower half premier league player at best.Granted that makes him good enough for us at the moment.
However, is giving this type of player a long term, not inexpensive contract really the route we want to take?
I wouldn't mind keeping him as a squad player on around 20k a week tops.
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He's a winger, not a centre forward. How many goals has he set up/been involved in?
I'll start off with arsenal and Liverpool away as two good places to go looking.
Firstly, we rarely ever play with wingers under Lambert, rather narrow wide-forwards. Secondly, we don't play 4-3-3 in every game anymore. In the games where we play 3-5-2 or 4-1-2-1-2, Gabby has nearly always been played as a CF. Either way, the goalscoring onus on the positions he has been deployed in is greater than an orthodox winger.
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And to further confuse, Gabby has missed 3 league home games this season. We won all of them.
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And to further confuse, Gabby has missed 3 league home games this season. We won all of them.
Gabby needs space to be at his most effective. We have more space away from home because we are on the counter. At full speed and with running room there are few more devastating players. At home everything is more compressed and he struggles with that. In games where either we are leading and the opponents have to come to us he is very effective. But most teams at VP sit further back, restricting room and play on the counter which for Gabby limits his effectiveness.
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And to further confuse, Gabby has missed 3 league home games this season. We won all of them.
Also, every single one of his assists this season have come away.
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Perhaps if he wasn't undroppable he'd deliver more.
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The thing is with Gabby, is that I think he's a lower half premier league player at best.Granted that makes him good enough for us at the moment.
However, is giving this type of player a long term, not inexpensive contract really the route we want to take?
I wouldn't mind keeping him as a squad player on around 20k a week tops.
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Totally agree- impact sub but shouldnt be a regular in the side - we need better in that position next season.
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For anyone who might be interested, the last time he scored and we lost was Dec 1st 2010. The cup match at small heath.
Last time he scored in a league game we lost was Blackburn away, Sept 26th 2009.
In fact I can only find 6 league games he's scored and and we lost. And 3 of those were Manure (a 2007, h 2007 a 2009) and the other two were Liverpool away (2006) and his debut at Everton. And the other game we lost he scored in was Rapid Feckin' Vienna (2010)
And what do you conclude from that, Watson?
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For anyone who might be interested, the last time he scored and we lost was Dec 1st 2010. The cup match at small heath.
Last time he scored in a league game we lost was Blackburn away, Sept 26th 2009.
In fact I can only find 6 league games he's scored and and we lost. And 3 of those were Manure (a 2007, h 2007 a 2009) and the other two were Liverpool away (2006) and his debut at Everton. And the other game we lost he scored in was Rapid Feckin' Vienna (2010)
And what do you conclude from that, Watson?
I have no idea. Gabby confuses me a lot.
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Ridiculous decision.
He was great under MON but mediocre since.
No way worth a four year contract.
I know he is Villa through and through And all that bolloxs but a four year contract is crazy.
Best days are over
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Personally I think gabby is lucky to be a regular in the side based on his displays - a new 4 year deal seems well over the top to me .
Who have we got that you'd play ahead of him, Eastie?
I'd be looking for better in that position in the summer , he'd be a useful impact sub but I don't think he's done enough performance wise to merit a 4 year deal - his good days are too rare.
the point is, he's only got a year left on his contract, so if we fail to re-sign him, he can walk away for nothing next year if he wants.
I'd definitely be looking to re-sign him, but only within the parameters of the lower wage structure.
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Great servant and I think he can have a role in the squad as a senior player in coming seasons.
He has been a solid player for us when we have been good and when we have struggled and I think the same would apply if we improved other areas of the team. He's also less about pace now and has improved other areas of his game.
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He and Weimann badly need competition this summer. In fact, a central midfield player and 2 creative wide forwards that can open a defence would be all I would spend whatever the budget is this summer. Beyond that we have enough. Gabby has been great, but he has been really disappointing this season at home. We win without at home because we don't rely on his pace at all and thus play a more measured approach game.
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You don't just discard your valued and experienced players. Not only that he's a good person to have around the club. He offers more than just his playing ability, and with Gabby the challenge is and always has been consistency. When he's hot he's verging on national team selection because he is that effective. But he has scored and set up some of the most important goals in our recent history. Goals that we can all recall because they were that crucial. He is tremendous ambassador for the club, does a lot of charity work, never complains and is a dedicated employee and servant. They don't just grow on trees and in an era where loyalty is practically a thing of the past it is refreshing to see him want to stay. And if anyone at the club is 100% behind the new direction that club wants to take it will be him. I'm sure he won't be poor after his new deal, but I'll bet he'll buy into the aims of the club and agree to a contract to allow the club to get in better players.
Well said.
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So he is a nice person who does charity work, to be honest i could not careless, for £50k a week I want to see what he does on the pitch, to me he is so average, what does he offer the team??? that is just madness offering him a 4 year deal, I thought as a club we had learned our lesson about paying players stupid wages but obviously not.
I am a nice person who does charity work, but my managers at work have never given me a pay rise because of it!!
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Gabby has scored 3 times this season, those goals have got us 7 points. Where would be without those points? Flipside, where would we be if he scored a few more?
Heskey had figures like that sometimes times and got slaughtered en masse by most whomever he was playing for.
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I'm not for one minute suggesting that Gabby is in the same league, certainly in terms of consistency as Carlos Tevez, but I think a lot of what Conte recently said when defending Tevez's lack of goals in the CL....
"Conte responded to such criticisms in a voice thick with disdain. "I do not judge an attacker on the basis of the goals that he scores," he said. "I have been here for three years and I think you know by now how I judge my forwards. When an attacker scores but does not do the work they were supposed to do, then I am not happy with them. I judge on behalf of the team, you lot judge on individual performances."
Gabby does a heck of a lot for the team in terms of pulling defenders out of position, forcing them to defend deeper because of his pace, harrying them when they have the ball. This in turn opens up opportunities for Weimann and Benteke (or at least should).
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Perhaps if he wasn't undroppable he'd deliver more.
Perhaps if he was dropped more often, given a shorter deal on reduced basic / more performance related then he'd deliver more
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For all the talk of lack of goals and performances, we look a much better side with Gabby in it as he is pretty much our only pace option. I'd be interested to see how he continues to modify his game as the pace reduces but we do need him for the next couple of years.
On a slightly different scale but look at how Manchester United struggle without pace. Reduces their effectiveness massively. It's something we need to improve too
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Personally I think gabby is lucky to be a regular in the side based on his displays - a new 4 year deal seems well over the top to me .
Who have we got that you'd play ahead of him, Eastie?
I'd be looking for better in that position in the summer , he'd be a useful impact sub but I don't think he's done enough performance wise to merit a 4 year deal - his good days are too rare.
the point is, he's only got a year left on his contract, so if we fail to re-sign him, he can walk away for nothing next year if he wants.
I'd definitely be looking to re-sign him, but only within the parameters of the lower wage structure.
Isn't there a ruling somewhere that says if the new contract is not as good as the old contract they have the right to walk away?
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Great news.
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Ridiculous decision.
He was great under MON but mediocre since.
No way worth a four year contract.
I know he is Villa through and through And all that bolloxs but a four year contract is crazy.
Best days are over
He wasn't, I actually remember ironic cheers when he was subbed once, because he was in terrible form
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Gabby does a heck of a lot for the team in terms of pulling defenders out of position, forcing them to defend deeper because of his pace, harrying them when they have the ball. This in turn opens up opportunities for Weimann and Benteke (or at least should).
how do you work that out when he doesn't move? 3 times on Sunday we had the Stoke left back stuck in the corner with the ball and Gabby just watched as the central defender went across into space to give the right back an out ball. Gabby only decided to move once the centre back had the ball. That's his biggest problem, he doesn't read the game at only and only reacts when it is too late - and that is true whichever side is in possession
worth a new deal but only as a squad player with wages to suit
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Gabby does a heck of a lot for the team in terms of pulling defenders out of position, forcing them to defend deeper because of his pace, harrying them when they have the ball. This in turn opens up opportunities for Weimann and Benteke (or at least should).
how do you work that out when he doesn't move? 3 times on Sunday we had the Stoke left back stuck in the corner with the ball and Gabby just watched as the central defender went across into space to give the right back an out ball. Gabby only decided to move once the centre back had the ball. That's his biggest problem, he doesn't read the game at only and only reacts when it is too late - and that is true whichever side is in possession
worth a new deal but only as a squad player with wages to suit
I think Gabby looked tired against Stoke. He was unusually immobile. Normally he is pretty good at winning us territory up the pitch by chasing lost causes. Over the years just be pressurizing defenders he's won countless throw-ins, corners etc. Or with the ball at his feet he wins a lot of free kicks.
I think he's got another year of being first choice every week. Beyond that, yes, I think he should be a squad option.
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I don't think it was just Stoke, I think he has been the same all this season and most of last
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I don't think it was just Stoke, I think he has been the same all this season and most of last
First half of this season I think he's been good more than he's been bad and we often still look a poorer side for not having him in the team.
Second half of last season he was very good, and more importantly, scoring goals too.
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I don't think it was just Stoke, I think he has been the same all this season and most of last
First half of this season I think he's been good more than he's been bad and we often still look a poorer side for not having him in the team.
Second half of last season he was very good, and more importantly, scoring goals too.
isn't that the most frustrating thing about Gabby tho - he goes on those little runs of scoring goals regularly but it is too infrequent. We have been talking about him having the potential to cause real damage to teams and be a threat for 8 or 9 years but how often does he do it really? I do agree that we do look poorer without him but I think that is more down to the available replacements
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I don't think it was just Stoke, I think he has been the same all this season and most of last
First half of this season I think he's been good more than he's been bad and we often still look a poorer side for not having him in the team.
Second half of last season he was very good, and more importantly, scoring goals too.
isn't that the most frustrating thing about Gabby tho - he goes on those little runs of scoring goals regularly but it is too infrequent. We have been talking about him having the potential to cause real damage to teams and be a threat for 8 or 9 years but how often does he do it really? I do agree that we do look poorer without him but I think that is more down to the available replacements
It is frustrating. I suppose one could argue that Gabby is the poster child of a side that flits between 6th and 16th. He's good enough that barring disaster we'll never go down, but not good enough that he can be part of a side challenging beyond 6th (and honestly, he's not as fearsome as he was under O Neill). He's been a regular in all that time too and the one player who remains from the end of O Leary/beginning of O Neill days.
That said, every now and again he'll play like a 20 million pound player. It might be half a dozen times a season (possibly generous), but of course if you spend 1-2 million on a player it's highly unlikely they'll produce that quality even once in a season or even have it in their locker at all.
Even when we spent a fair wedge of money under O Neill, we didn't have the budget to buy attackers with complete consistency (besides possibly Bent with the right set up around him). Now that budget is even smaller so barring a lot of luck and some exceptional scouting, we'll be lucky to buy a player who can do what Gabby does, even if he doesn't produce it nearly enough.
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3 goals all season tells a tale doesn't it?
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Yes, that he's a winger not a centre forward.
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A good bloke, but a bog average player having yet another bog average season
How long have we all been waiting for him to kick on and show some consistency ? FOREVER it seems
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He's been involved in a few, but yes it is a poor output. The one thing I never saw this season is how our attack would be so much less potent than last season. Now, clearly the momentum was affected by Benteke's injury, but as an attacking force we have been a lot worse this year. I imagine the manager was thinking that going into this season our attack would continue to develop positively while the defence improved.
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I love him and hope he finishes his career with us.
A player capable of the great and the bad and I am sure we will get another four years of much the same to be honest. He has scored some special and important goals and will continue to do so.
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Yes, that he's a winger not a centre forward.
As has been explained already, he plays as a wide-forward in the 4-3-3 and as a second-striker/main striker when we have played a formation with a front-two, which has been quite often this season. All of those position have an onus on goalscoring.
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I've always considered him as pretty average, but he has also played his part in some of our best days since his debut. Those goals at the Gabby End at The Sty for instance.
For that alone, and because loyalty seems to be a dirty word in modern football, give him the contract.
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I've always considered him as pretty average, but he has also played his part in some of our best days since his debut. Those goals at the Gabby End at The Sty for instance.
For that alone, and because loyalty seems to be a dirty word in modern football, give him the contract.
He's been a great ambassador for the club off the pitch too and almost always works hard on it (when his legs allow him). Some years, especially under O Neill he was run ragged. Aside from the odd story here and there about him possibly being the most fertile man in the midlands, you don't hear much of Gabby getting into trouble, he just gets on with his business.
Loyalty and service should be rewarded really (within reason of course) and you need someone like Gabby at the club. Taylor wasn't the greatest player but he was a great servant who showed up a lot of more technically accomplished players around him for desire and workrate, just as Gabby does.
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How does playing well for only like a third of the time indicate any particular desire? When Gabby isn't playing well, he may as well not even be on the pitch, something that cannot be said of a player that gives his all every game.
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How does playing well for only like a third of the time indicate any particular desire? When Gabby isn't playing well, he may as well not even be on the pitch, something that cannot be said of a player that gives his all every game.
More often than not, even if he's not playing well he'll still put the yards in, by the same token Benteke was out of sorts earlier this season and didn't expend much energy at all. At this current point too, even if he's not in form or playing well he's still better off on the pitch than Tonev for example. Whatever we think about the state of our squad options, the fact remains that Gabby has played most games when he's been fit and able, since he first broke into the team. Regardless of what that might say about alternatives, it also suggest that he's always been popular with the managers at the club. The only person who really seemed to find a way of playing where Gabby wasn't a first choice, was Houllier in his last 5 months at the club.
Gabby's like any player though, sometimes they have a bad run and need a spell out so they can (hopefully) come back stronger. He almost never gets that, with the exception of niggling injuries. He's got through a lot of mileage for a player who's still only 27.
He certainly should deliver more frequently, but he's still one of our best players and I don't see that changing in the next couple of years.
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sorry Tom - I understand a lot of what you say and agree to a certain extent but I just don't see where Gabby puts the hard work in. If he did I could be a lot more forgiving of his lack of ability.
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sorry Tom - I understand a lot of what you say and agree to a certain extent but I just don't see where Gabby puts the hard work in. If he did I could be a lot more forgiving of his lack of ability.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one sir. I've never had a problem with his work rate. I do think at times he does get sent out on an empty tank though. Managers here never seem to rest Gabby, or drop him which I think doesn't always help him. Possibly Houllier was the only one, but again, in part it comes down to options.
What I will point to though is a comparison to the Moores and Delfouneso. Those three had more natural ability than Gabby, but the player who's lasted 8 years at this club and in the top flight is Gabby. I do think he's improved in many aspects of his game over the years but he's still essentially a sprinter who turned to football. I think he's worked incredibly hard, probably in the same way Heskey did to have such a long career in the top flight. Gabby's all round game is better than it was 8 years ago. He's never gonna have Bergkamps touch or Shearers finishing of course. I do think though, as Houllier spotted a few years back, his increased body strength has shaved off some of his pace. I also think age and more and more niggling injuries in the last few years also mean that he doesn't go on as many surging sprints every game as he could 3-4 years ago.
I dunno that's my view. I just think it takes a lot of hard work for a player who was as raw and rough around the edges as Gabby, to forge out such a long career in the top flight. It's not purely because he's lightening quick. Pacey players are almost a dime a dozen these days and many come and go before disappearing to obscurity because there's nothing with it.
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Can I just say I have always been a big fan of Gabby but I just think his value to the team has diminished over the last two years and his goal return supports that. I think therefore that a four year deal is over the top.
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Can I just say I have always been a big fan of Gabby but I just think his value to the team has diminished over the last two years and his goal return supports that. I think therefore that a four year deal is over the top.
Yes pretty much my feeling. A good player 5-6 years ago but objectively has been on the decline since 2011.
2 years with a pay cut with an option of on a 3rd.
I honestly think we have seen the best of him and he doesn't have ability to modify his game and play a different role.
There isn't a club of those who will defnitely finish above us this season who would want him.
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Four year deal?
What has Gabby ever done for us?
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Very happy he's staying for his career
Lifer
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Fair enough Supertom. I'll also have to agree to disagree ;)
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I wish he'd score more goals.
But he's integral to us and we need him.
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Can I just say I have always been a big fan of Gabby but I just think his value to the team has diminished over the last two years and his goal return supports that. I think therefore that a four year deal is over the top.
Yes pretty much my feeling. A good player 5-6 years ago but objectively has been on the decline since 2011.
2 years with a pay cut with an option of on a 3rd.
I honestly think we have seen the best of him and he doesn't have ability to modify his game and play a different role.
There isn't a club of those who will defnitely finish above us this season who would want him.
I think this hits the nail on the head for me. I appreciate that was one game but watching him against Stoke that it hit me that I did not see what he actually brings to the team now.
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A player who definitely divides opinion, a friend of mine insists theres a reason why he`s a one club man - and it`s nothing to do with loyalty. Personally, i would baulk at a four year contract, maybe a one year roller based on goals scored as i`ve always felt Gab has under achieved on the conversion front. either way he`s as good as we`ve got at the moment given the inconsistencies of Weimann and CB.
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Lets see this thread again on saturday afternoon after his hattrick at Old Trafford! ;)
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Half the time he looks like he can't be bothered. He has put in some very poor performances this season. So, true to form, poor performances get rewarded with a new contract.
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Half the time he looks like he can't be bothered. He has put in some very poor performances this season. So, true to form, poor performances get rewarded with a new contract.
We don't know what the deal is so it's crazy trying to judge it. However, as Lambert removes much of the older playing staff it's great that he's got someone there who has the Villa heritage and experience in the squad. I hope that Gabby is being utilised to bring on the younger new boys in the squad.
Most successful squads have 'lifers' in them; someone to carry forward the club's traditions and stories.
We should welcome this, and then be as equally as demanding of Gabby - and even more so - than we have been previously; 'cos he still needs to justify his squad number from a playing perspective.
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The prospect of four more years of mediocrity from him in a Villa shirt is very underwhelming. I don't care that he's a Villa fan and all that he doesn't warrant a regular start, how many other top flight teams would he get into? He's fast and that's it.
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he isnt good enough
if he is in the first team every game for next few seasons, expect 14th to 17th every season
If we replace with better and that include weiman then we might move up the table .
He wouldnt get in any of the teams in the top ten . sub at best
the only team who might play him above us is west ham
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Impact player at best - 4 year deal is a joke - just shows how badly run the club is .
It's not like we need to tie him to the club - has anybody ever mad a bid for him ? Nope - thought not.
The wages he will be asking for should be spent elsewhere.
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Impact player at best - 4 year deal is a joke - just shows how badly run the club is .
It's not like we need to tie him to the club - has anybody ever mad a bid for him ? Nope - thought not.
The wages he will be asking for should be spent elsewhere.
I remember Arsenal were supposed to be interested but i don't know if a bid was ever made. Apart from that i don't remember any interest.
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Impact player at best - 4 year deal is a joke - just shows how badly run the club is .
It's not like we need to tie him to the club - has anybody ever mad a bid for him ? Nope - thought not.
The wages he will be asking for should be spent elsewhere.
I remember Arsenal were supposed to be interested but i don't know if a bid was ever made. Apart from that i don't remember any interest.
I would guess had Martin O Neill expected any other response than "fuck off" from the club, he may have tried to get Gabby at Sunderland. I recall a couple of brief rumours around the time Gabby found himself out of favour with Houllier, but can't remember which clubs. But it was probably typical clubcall nonsense.
That said he's still got a part to play here and something to offer.
Weimann on the other hand I'm more worried about. Gabby might only have blistering pace in his locker but that's one strength more than Weimann has. Aside from 2-3 games this season, Andi has looked out of his league.
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Another £10m+ on Gabby? No thank you.
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Impact player at best - 4 year deal is a joke - just shows how badly run the club is .
It's not like we need to tie him to the club - has anybody ever mad a bid for him ? Nope - thought not.
The wages he will be asking for should be spent elsewhere.
I remember Arsenal were supposed to be interested but i don't know if a bid was ever made. Apart from that i don't remember any interest.
I would guess had Martin O Neill expected any other response than "fuck off" from the club, he may have tried to get Gabby at Sunderland. I recall a couple of brief rumours around the time Gabby found himself out of favour with Houllier, but can't remember which clubs. But it was probably typical clubcall nonsense.
That said he's still got a part to play here and something to offer.
Weimann on the other hand I'm more worried about. Gabby might only have blistering pace in his locker but that's one strength more than Weimann has. Aside from 2-3 games this season, Andi has looked out of his league.
Weimann has really disappointed me this season. Looked off the pace which considering how decent he looked last season is a surprise. The one hope is he is still only 22, so hopefully he is just having (a massive) dip in form.
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His performance today said more than any words I could've penned. That is the Gabby that I see about 70% of the time.
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His performance today said more than any words I could've penned. That is the Gabby that I see about 70% of the time.
He puts in performances when we really need it. Big games, Local derbies. Never run of the mill games. Another one taking it easy on the easy street that is Villa at the moment. Needs a rocket up his arse.
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4 years more of his blistering pace but hardly any end product.
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A bit of a myth that. For every 'big' game he performs in, there is another one where he fails to show.
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I'm clutching at straws but turning Gabby into an impact player from the bench might get more out of him.
We of course need to sign quality attackers this summer to replace him in the starting 11. Ditto Weimann.
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I'm clutching at straws but turning Gabby into an impact player from the bench might get more out of him.
We of course need to sign quality attackers this summer to replace him in the starting 11. Ditto Weimann.
Weimann is turning into a right whiny moaner
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I'm clutching at straws but turning Gabby into an impact player from the bench might get more out of him.
We of course need to sign quality attackers this summer to replace him in the starting 11. Ditto Weimann.
Weimann is turning into a right whiny moaner
He spends way too much time on his arse, arms in the air, shouting hopefully at the ref for my liking. He's like Ashley Young without the ability.
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I'm clutching at straws but turning Gabby into an impact player from the bench might get more out of him.
A £50k per week impact sub?
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I'm clutching at straws but turning Gabby into an impact player from the bench might get more out of him.
We of course need to sign quality attackers this summer to replace him in the starting 11. Ditto Weimann.
Weimann is turning into a right whiny moaner
He spends way too much time on his arse, arms in the air, shouting hopefully at the ref for my liking. He's like Ashley Young without the ability.
To be fair for the last year or so Ashley Young, has been Ashley Young without the ability too.
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I'm clutching at straws but turning Gabby into an impact player from the bench might get more out of him.
A £50k per week impact sub?
That would be too much. He'd have to take a pay cut for sure.
The money side doesn't bother me too much to be honest because it's unlikely we'll sign enough quality this summer to make him obsolete from the first 11, let alone unneeded on the bench. If we have to have a 50k impact sub on the bench, then so be it.
Likewise at this point, I'd be tempted to give Zogbia another go because he's got ability. We might be paying through the nose for him but he's a good player on his day. Won't happen though, he'll get bombed out. But I'd rather have Zogbia than Tonev for example.
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I'm clutching at straws but turning Gabby into an impact player from the bench might get more out of him.
We of course need to sign quality attackers this summer to replace him in the starting 11. Ditto Weimann.
Weimann is turning into a right whiny moaner
He spends way too much time on his arse, arms in the air, shouting hopefully at the ref for my liking. He's like Ashley Young without the ability.
To be fair for the last year or so Ashley Young, has been Ashley Young without the ability too.
Ha ha. Yep.
As much of a cheating little shit as he might be I'd still take him back. He might be a shadow of his former self, but he'd still improve us a lot.
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That would be too much. He'd have to take a pay cut for sure.
Agree.
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Where did the £50k p/w wage come from?
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Where did the £50k p/w wage come from?
I don't think anybody knows for sure what he is on, but out of curiosity, what do you think he earns a week?
Considering that the likes of Ireland, Given, Bent and Dunne were the the 'high earners' that needed to be reduced from the wage bill, I'm pretty sure a player who has been with us longer than all those mentioned would be in the same wage bracket would he not?
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Where did the £50k p/w wage come from?
I don't think anybody knows for sure what he is on, but out of curiosity, what do you think he earns a week?
Considering that the likes of Ireland, Given, Bent and Dunne were the the 'high earners' that needed to be reduced from the wage bill, I'm pretty sure a player who has been with us longer than all those mentioned would be in the same wage bracket would he not?
Why wasn't he bombed from the squad then, if the logic of 'high earners = out of the side' is in place?
I don't have any idea what he earns, but £50k has been mentioned somewhere and now it's what he's on. Has anyone got any proof of this?
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I doubt anyone was really bombed based purely on their wages. It's whether they are rated as a player. I very much doubt that Lichaj, Bannan and Fonz were breaking the bank wage wise for example.
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Where did the £50k p/w wage come from?
As with all individual wage payments, they are disclosed so you generally rely on reported figures. Logically speaking, Gabby is a survivor of the MON era when inflated wage-packets to even the most mediocre of players was the norm. He signed his last contract in 2010 when the wage issue hadn't been addressed yet. At the time, it was generally reported to be worth £50-60k per week. There is no reason to believe it is significantly lower than this.
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In the middle of our bad spell last season, I remarked on here that we would be as well of trading Gabby to Sunderland (then with MON) and using the cash elsewhere. Gabby at that stage had gone 12 months without a goal at Villa Park. But by the end of the season he was arguably our best player, his performance at Norwich alone imo saved us from relegation. 9 goals from 24 starts in the league last season was very good going for a wide forward. Stats were probably even better for the second half of the season as the winner against Sunderland away was the only one I remember before Feb.
He started this season in the same vein and there was plenty of England talk. But as we started faltering so did Gabby. Only three league goals this season is piss poor. 5 assists, think they came in three games Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal. In the two seasons prior to last Gabby scored a total of 8 league goals in 49 starts. Hardly warranting the money he was trousering from the club.
I worry that Gabby is slipping back into his bad old ways. He is becoming increasingly injury prone, takes a long time for his form to bounce back after injury and remains as inconsistent as ever. The odd day like at Liverpool he looks a world beater but generally like many of our players he looks distinctly average most days. Is he worth a 4 year deal on big money, I don't think so. Would let him go this summer if a decent offer came in and avoid another the scenario of another big earner winding down his contract.
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Give him a two year deal. Who exactly is going to buy him anyway that is any better than us.
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How long does he have left incidentally?
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I think he has been awfully poor and his touch today contributed to goals for Man ure. No vision at all (same with Weimann) and things have to change
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4 year deal. Joke.
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How long does he have left incidentally?
Next summer.
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On NBC they had Chris Waddle co-commentating today (who got the boot in at every available opportunity). He said Gabby looked overweight.
The irony of this coming from Waddle wasn't lost on me but I do wonder if in building his upper body strength if he's lost a bit of his mobility.
That's Gabby, not Waddle.
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On NBC they had Chris Waddle co-commentating today (who got the boot in at every available opportunity). He said Gabby looked overweight.
The irony of this coming from Waddle wasn't lost on me but I do wonder if in building his upper body strength if he's lost a bit of his mobility.
That's Gabby, not Waddle.
And some people thought Houllier did not know what he was doing. Gabby built himself up to be MON's lone striker. He did lose some of it and was able to carry it a year or two ago but it is killing his stamina now.
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I'm clutching at straws but turning Gabby into an impact player from the bench might get more out of him.
We of course need to sign quality attackers this summer to replace him in the starting 11. Ditto Weimann.
Weimann is turning into a right whiny moaner
He spends way too much time on his arse, arms in the air, shouting hopefully at the ref for my liking. He's like Ashley Young without the ability.
this his finishing has just gone meh . he needs to sort that out for a start
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I'm clutching at straws but turning Gabby into an impact player from the bench might get more out of him.
We of course need to sign quality attackers this summer to replace him in the starting 11. Ditto Weimann.
Weimann is turning into a right whiny moaner
He spends way too much time on his arse, arms in the air, shouting hopefully at the ref for my liking. He's like Ashley Young without the ability.
this his finishing has just gone meh . he needs to sort that out for a start
He had one scuffed shot yesterday that barely reached De Gea it was so tame. It summed him up this season.
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Gabby and Andi no new contracts move them on as they are both not good enough, even for the level we are at now.
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I'm clutching at straws but turning Gabby into an impact player from the bench might get more out of him.
We of course need to sign quality attackers this summer to replace him in the starting 11. Ditto Weimann.
Weimann is turning into a right whiny moaner
He spends way too much time on his arse, arms in the air, shouting hopefully at the ref for my liking. He's like Ashley Young without the ability.
this his finishing has just gone meh . he needs to sort that out for a start
He had one scuffed shot yesterday that barely reached De Gea it was so tame. It summed him up this season.
And then whinged at the ref he was fouled because a defender brushed past him. He's gone backwards this year and no longer merits a place in the starting line-up. Who comes in for him though? Helenius is the invisible man and Bowery (stop laughing) has gone on loan.
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Gabby and Andi no new contracts move them on as they are both not good enough, even for the level we are at now.
Andi had his new contract last summer. To think at one stage it looked like he might have moved elsewhere because we took a while to reach agreement with him. Essentially he signed which means he more than likely got what he wanted, which more than likely means more money.
He's certainly not proved anything like good value. He'll be on a fair wage I'd imagine too. At least 20k.
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4 years? Have the powers that be still not learnt?
4 years at 10k per week yes but any more and he's not worth it, 2 years at most.
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As much as I don't think he contributes anywhere near consistently enough, he is one of our very few proven top level players. When he performs he's a threat against anyone and I don't think we can afford to lose that.
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As much as I don't think he contributes anywhere near consistently enough, he is one of our very few proven top level players. When he performs he's a threat against anyone and I don't think we can afford to lose that.
which is ok from the bench
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Does anyone have the stats as to how much work Gabby and Andi did compared to, say, Rooney or Mata?
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Gabby and Andi no new contracts move them on as they are both not good enough, even for the level we are at now.
Andi had his new contract last summer. To think at one stage it looked like he might have moved elsewhere because we took a while to reach agreement with him. Essentially he signed which means he more than likely got what he wanted, which more than likely means more money.
He's certainly not proved anything like good value. He'll be on a fair wage I'd imagine too. At least 20k.
£30k reportedly.
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Does anyone have the stats as to how much work Gabby and Andi did compared to, say, Rooney or Mata?
I'm not even sure Rooney had to even break sweat on saturday. We made it incredibly easy for him.
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Gabby and Andi no new contracts move them on as they are both not good enough, even for the level we are at now.
Andi had his new contract last summer. To think at one stage it looked like he might have moved elsewhere because we took a while to reach agreement with him. Essentially he signed which means he more than likely got what he wanted, which more than likely means more money.
He's certainly not proved anything like good value. He'll be on a fair wage I'd imagine too. At least 20k.
£30k reportedly.
Yeah, I thought it was closer to that number, I was being quite generous with the 20k figure. Still, it's premier league wages for a player who's not really Premiership quality IMO.
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Does anyone have the stats as to how much work Gabby and Andi did compared to, say, Rooney or Mata?
I'm not even sure Rooney had to even break sweat on saturday. We made it incredibly easy for him.
exactly , their be more sweat on his forehead when he doing Edna from Bootle Retirement home on the Saturday night.
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Does anyone have the stats as to how much work Gabby and Andi did compared to, say, Rooney or Mata?
Gabbys heat map
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/matchzone/index.html#s2013-c8-m695215 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/matchzone/index.html#s2013-c8-m695215)
Weimanns heat map
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/matchzone/index.html#s2013-c8-m695215 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/matchzone/index.html#s2013-c8-m695215)
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the difference between the two is pretty stark.
From the graphic it looks like Gabby hardly moved!
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the difference between the two is pretty stark.
From the graphic it looks like Gabby hardly moved!
It does doesn't it.
Take a look at the difference between Vlaars positioning and Clarks. To my untrained eye it says Vlaar is more disciplined and Clark gets dragged out of position more often?
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the difference between the two is pretty stark.
From the graphic it looks like Gabby hardly moved!
It does doesn't it.
Take a look at the difference between Vlaars positioning and Clarks. To my untrained eye it says Vlaar is more disciplined and Clark gets dragged out of position more often?
But neither of them picked up Rooney for his first goal on Saturday!
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the difference between the two is pretty stark.
From the graphic it looks like Gabby hardly moved!
It does doesn't it.
Take a look at the difference between Vlaars positioning and Clarks. To my untrained eye it says Vlaar is more disciplined and Clark gets dragged out of position more often?
I think for Vlaar on the right hand side Bacuna had Albrighton and Weimann covering him a lot more.
Delph and Westwood were more central and Gabby was up front.
Clark was probably dragged out to the left more because of Bertrand steaming forward.
My eye is untrained too btw.
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the difference between the two is pretty stark.
From the graphic it looks like Gabby hardly moved!
Gabby moves around a lot. It's just that he's very cool in the way he does it.
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the difference between the two is pretty stark.
From the graphic it looks like Gabby hardly moved!
Gabby moves around a lot. It's just that he's very cool in the way he does it.
We could nickname him fridge.
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the difference between the two is pretty stark.
From the graphic it looks like Gabby hardly moved!
That's because he hardly did move and hardly has for several seasons. He is contributing very little overall. Might as well give Hutton a new contract as well if Lambert and Gabby are getting new ones.
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That's because he hardly did move and hardly has for several seasons. He is contributing very little overall. Might as well give Hutton a new contract as well if Lambert and Gabby are getting new ones.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0MTIPDsSLj8/TXhqpJbikfI/AAAAAAAAAG0/2XvpOk9efU4/s1600/Ivan.png)
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Does anyone have the stats as to how much work Gabby and Andi did compared to, say, Rooney or Mata?
Gabbys heat map
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/matchzone/index.html#s2013-c8-m695215 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/matchzone/index.html#s2013-c8-m695215)
Weimanns heat map
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/matchzone/index.html#s2013-c8-m695215 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/matchzone/index.html#s2013-c8-m695215)
I'm surprised Gabby showed up on the map tbh
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Has he signed this contract yet? If ever a player looks like a Crystal Palace player, it's him.
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Has he signed this contract yet? If ever a player looks like a Crystal Palace player, it's him.
They will stay up , so no ;)
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the difference between the two is pretty stark.
From the graphic it looks like Gabby hardly moved!
Gabby moves around a lot. It's just that he's very cool in the way he does it.
I hope this was a joke! I wouldn't check but people will say anything to defend Gabby ...
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the difference between the two is pretty stark.
From the graphic it looks like Gabby hardly moved!
Gabby moves around a lot. It's just that he's very cool in the way he does it.
I hope this was a joke! I wouldn't check but people will say anything to defend Gabby ...
What you have missed is the discipline of his role. Compare Gabby/Kagawa and Albrighton/Young and you'll get a different picture.