Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on March 23, 2014, 08:53:35 PM
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I have been led to believe that had we managed to get three points today we would have been safe from relegation barring a massive turn-around in GD, given the matches between the teams (still) currently below us. Is this correct?
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I think 38 will do it for sure but it may be less .
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Sky - at the final whistle - were singing and hooting that Stoke were definitely safe now.
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Doesn't really matter for me, we'll stay up with a fair bit to spare. I just wish we'd stop being such a mentalist side.
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I have been led to believe that had we managed to get three points today we would have been safe from relegation barring a massive turn-around in GD, given the matches between the teams (still) currently below us. Is this correct?
Mathematically no, but in probability yes.
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I genuinely think 1 more point will do it. I can see 3 teams failing to make it to 35.
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we'll be safe. It's just a matter of how we get there. I'm not going to predict what's going to happen between now and the end of the season because knowing us it'll be anything but predictable.
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I think we'll be safe with a minimum 37 points but that's not the point. No Villa team should ever be happy with just surviving in the PL. Show a bit of pride in the club, Lerner and open your bloody wallet in the summer!
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I can see us finishing higher than last season but the points total won't be much more.
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40 points is when I will consider us safe.
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This side are like the alcoholic father you can never depend on.
I have given up predicting anything, just fed up of the same crap year after year.
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We will get it in our next game.
I can feel it in the water, I feel the earth move, Galadriel said so.
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Having a quick look, it is close to that if everyone wins all the matches that they can but with Sunderland having two games in hand, compared to the rest, it is not quite.
WM was saying we still aren't safe because if Cardiff beat Albion then they will be close to the Villa. But surely in that situation, Albion should be worrying more then us.
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We will be safe when we beat Man Utd and Fulham.
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Fulham is massive really, beat them and were safe, having said that I still think Cardiff and Fulham are fucked, one more to go
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I will start to worry only if we lose the next three.
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On current form, we'll likely beat Utd and lose to Fulham. I'd take that.
Knowing villa though, it will be a spanking at old Trafford and an obliging rollover to let a bottom 3 club have a glimmer of hope!
This inconsistency is almost worse than just being shit in a way and I can well understand why so many are frustrated With the manager and the players. At least when you're shit you know you're shit and are resigned to the fact. Villa at the moment give you hope some weeks beating decent sides or competing with them, then just go to shit in the next game.
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Surely if we just need 3 points to be 'theoretically' safe, we still require a massive range of freakish results to be relegated from this point, given the number of clubs in the mix and the fact that a lot of them are playing each other? If I was any good at maths (which I'm not), I'd like to work out the permutation of results that would be needed for us to go down...I'd expect the odds to be fairly lengthy?
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37 is the average number of points to be safe (according to the Mirror).
Is just a matter of either jogging across the line comfortably, or crawling backwards with both hands tied to the back (whilst missing a leg).
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We will lose to Manure as they are the only top club still currently playing with two wingers so the Fullbacks up against Young and Evra one side and Valencia/Janusaj and Fabio the other will be swamped.
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We will lose to Manure as they are the only top club still currently playing with two wingers so the Fullbacks up against Young and Evra one side and Valencia/Janusaj and Fabio the other will be swamped.
Man Utd play Bayern Munich on the Tuesday after our match next Saturday; surely they will rest some players? Mind you, their second string is much better than our strongest team, so, as usual, we'll roll over for them. RVP is also out as well....
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We will get another 3-6 points before the end of the season. Even then I'd be surprised if three of the teams below will do enough to overtake us. with even our current points tally...
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Still 33-1 to go down so I would imagine it would take a freak set of results like losing 9 in a row. Has Lambert broke that record yet? I can't remember there's been that many.
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I think we'll be safe with a minimum 37 points but that's not the point. No Villa team should ever be happy with just surviving in the PL. Show a bit of pride in the club, Lerner and open your bloody wallet in the summer!
Wow. Lerner really has struggled with that hasn't he over the years.
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I think we'll be safe with a minimum 37 points but that's not the point. No Villa team should ever be happy with just surviving in the PL. Show a bit of pride in the club, Lerner and open your bloody wallet in the summer!
Wow. Lerner really has struggled with that hasn't he over the years.
Indeed, however the fact remains we need quality additions this summer regardless of who is spending the money. So, SH's point is valid I think.
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I can see us finishing higher than last season but the points total won't be much more.
I totally agree. We finished fifteenth with 41 last season. That total may well be good enough for as high as eleventh this year. A small improvement on that would quite possibly be good enough for a top ten finish.
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On a related note, I hate the constant reference to 40 points that always starts at the beginning of every season. Even managers, who should know better, spout about the "magic 40 points". Just another thing that pisses me off about football these days.
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It's always been 40 points as the benchmark for safety. I think 35 will see safety this season.
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It's always been 40 points as the benchmark for safety. I think 35 will see safety this season.
Possibly but I'd like another win to be sure.
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On a related note, I hate the constant reference to 40 points that always starts at the beginning of every season. Even managers, who should know better, spout about the "magic 40 points". Just another thing that pisses me off about football these days.
The last time a team got relegated on 40 or above was 2003 when West Ham went down on 42. In the vast majority of seasons since then 37 has been enough to stay up.
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I think we'll be safe with a minimum 37 points but that's not the point. No Villa team should ever be happy with just surviving in the PL. Show a bit of pride in the club, Lerner and open your bloody wallet in the summer!
Wow. Lerner really has struggled with that hasn't he over the years.
He's certainly struggled the last 4 years. Perhaps he might provide the wages so we can sign some premier league standard players this summer.
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He will when Lambert chooses something other than the young/hungry lads that he loves (and you hate) to buy.
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In fairness I'm with SH on this one.
It's dismal we're having yet another season where it's still uncertain whether we'll even scrape past 40 points which worryingly seems to be the benchmark nowadays for us.
After Chelsea we should've been pushing on to finish top 10 and try to get as close as 50 points as possible, t give us belief that next season with a couple of astute signings we can then kick on and get 50 + points which usually puts you in the top 8.
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I think we'll be safe with a minimum 37 points but that's not the point. No Villa team should ever be happy with just surviving in the PL. Show a bit of pride in the club, Lerner and open your bloody wallet in the summer!
Wow. Lerner really has struggled with that hasn't he over the years.
He's certainly struggled the last 4 years. Perhaps he might provide the wages so we can sign some premier league standard players this summer.
He has not though has he really. Look at how much he has put in compared to most in the last 4 years. Including huge wages nowhere near the pitch. We need 3-4 quality players this summer for sure, but that is much more down to Lambert than Lerner.
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I have no problem with the money Lerner has put up - what it has been spent on over the last 7 years has been the problem.
Regardless 40 points or thereabouts is a very poor return.
I have stated before we have become the Coventry and Southampton of 90's, consistently struggling and ripe to be a 'giant' killing recipient act in the cups. That said if e.g. if we lost to Blackburn or MK Dons next season in the Cup(s) I honestly don't think any person could refer to it as a 'shock' anymore.
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I have no problem with the money Lerner has put up - what it has been spent on over the last 7 years has been the problem.
Regardless 40 points or thereabouts is a very poor return.
I have stated before we have become the Coventry and Southampton of 90's, consistently struggling and ripe to be a 'giant' killing recipient act in the cups. That said if e.g. if we lost to Blackburn or MK Dons next season in the Cup(s) I honestly don't think any person could refer to it as a 'shock' anymore.
We're pretty much what Wigan were under Martinez.
A team of some attacking players who are good to watch on their day and can turn over a top side but are also capable of being hammered 3-4 times a season but usually do enough to just about stay up.
Just not good enough.
Is it really too much to ask us to have a comfortable season free of relegation trouble like Newcastle and Southampton have had, Newcastle have hardly signed anyone in the last year aswell.
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Newcastle fans seem very irate with their season even though they have had a huge improvement from last year- I'd be very happy to have had that sort of season .
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Newcastle fans seem very irate with their season even though they have had a huge improvement from last year- I'd be very happy to have had that sort of season .
Me too. In fairness we've had similar results to them against the top teams but they've been far more consistant against the bottom half as have Southampton hence why both have 10 + more points on the board.
Cabaye was massive for them though, look at their win ratio when he was there and didn't play and they've been pretty poor since he left so interested to see who they get in to replace him in the summer.
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Think the Newcastle fans are pissed off that their best players get sold from under them whenever they start to make a bit of progress. I thinik we all know that feeling!
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Is it really too much to ask us to have a comfortable season free of relegation trouble like Newcastle and Southampton have had, Newcastle have hardly signed anyone in the last year aswell.
Newcastle finished below us last year and Southampton only finished above us on goal difference.
I'm not going to start holding them two up as model examples for us to aspire to.
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Is it really too much to ask us to have a comfortable season free of relegation trouble like Newcastle and Southampton have had, Newcastle have hardly signed anyone in the last year aswell.
Newcastle finished below us last year and Southampton only finished above us on goal difference.
I'm not going to start holding them two up as model examples for us to aspire to.
They have both improved quite a bit, we have improved a litte
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Newcastle fans seem very irate with their season even though they have had a huge improvement from last year- I'd be very happy to have had that sort of season .
Newcastle fans are always moaning about something. They are borderline Scouse in that respect. They seem to think they should be challenging for the League Title every season even though there isn't any colour footage of them winning anything.
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Is it really too much to ask us to have a comfortable season free of relegation trouble like Newcastle and Southampton have had, Newcastle have hardly signed anyone in the last year aswell.
Newcastle finished below us last year and Southampton only finished above us on goal difference.
I'm not going to start holding them two up as model examples for us to aspire to.
They have both improved quite a bit, we have improved a litte
They both had great starts to the season and have tailed off dramatically since. For both teams, their form since Christmas has been no better than ours. Is it that they have improved quite a bit or is it something else - like Cabaye's ridiculous form in Newcastle's case?
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Newcastle fans seem very irate with their season even though they have had a huge improvement from last year- I'd be very happy to have had that sort of season .
Newcastle fans are always moaning about something. They are borderline Scouse in that respect. They seem to think they should be challenging for the League Title every season even though there isn't any colour footage of them winning anything.
if they won something next season it would still be in black and white :-)
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Is it really too much to ask us to have a comfortable season free of relegation trouble like Newcastle and Southampton have had, Newcastle have hardly signed anyone in the last year aswell.
Newcastle finished below us last year and Southampton only finished above us on goal difference.
I'm not going to start holding them two up as model examples for us to aspire to.
They have both improved quite a bit, we have improved a litte
They both had great starts to the season and have tailed off dramatically since. For both teams, their form since Christmas has been no better than ours. Is it that they have improved quite a bit or is it something else - like Cabaye's ridiculous form in Newcastle's case?
I've just checked actually - Newcastle were running at 1.7 points per game up to 19 matches and have been running at 1.2 since (ie after Cabaye left) which is less than us.
Southampton's points per game has actually gone up since the turn of the year but that's partly because they've only played 3 of the teams above them in the league (getting 1 point out of a possible 9).
I don't think either of them are that much more progressed than us.
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Newcastle fans seem very irate with their season even though they have had a huge improvement from last year- I'd be very happy to have had that sort of season .
Newcastle fans are always moaning about something. They are borderline Scouse in that respect. They seem to think they should be challenging for the League Title every season even though there isn't any colour footage of them winning anything.
To be fair, they're a well-supported club that hasn't won anything since 1969 (lower league titles excepted). Imagine if Villa were in that position.
Now imagine it's 2040, you're still alive, and Villa's last trophy is still the 1996 League Cup!
Which other big team hasn't won a proper trophy in that timeframe?
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Newcastle fans seem very irate with their season even though they have had a huge improvement from last year- I'd be very happy to have had that sort of season .
The trophy they won in 1969 was a UEFA recognised trophy at the time, it was by invitation.
Newcastle fans are always moaning about something. They are borderline Scouse in that respect. They seem to think they should be challenging for the League Title every season even though there isn't any colour footage of them winning anything.
To be fair, they're a well-supported club that hasn't won anything since 1969 (lower league titles excepted). Imagine if Villa were in that position.
Now imagine it's 2040, you're still alive, and Villa's last trophy is still the 1996 League Cup!
Which other big team hasn't won a proper trophy in that timeframe?
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Newcastle fans seem very irate with their season even though they have had a huge improvement from last year- I'd be very happy to have had that sort of season .
Newcastle fans are always moaning about something. They are borderline Scouse in that respect. They seem to think they should be challenging for the League Title every season even though there isn't any colour footage of them winning anything.
To be fair, they're a well-supported club that hasn't won anything since 1969 (lower league titles excepted). Imagine if Villa were in that position.
Now imagine it's 2040, you're still alive, and Villa's last trophy is still the 1996 League Cup!
Which other big team hasn't won a proper trophy in that timeframe?
I was thinking about our lack of recent cup success today. I think the longest Villa went without winning a major trophy is the 37 years in between the 1920 and 1957 FA Cup wins, so as long as we win something by the end of the 2032/33 season, no unwanted record will be broken in this regard....
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Newcastle fans seem very irate with their season even though they have had a huge improvement from last year- I'd be very happy to have had that sort of season .
Newcastle fans are always moaning about something. They are borderline Scouse in that respect. They seem to think they should be challenging for the League Title every season even though there isn't any colour footage of them winning anything.
To be fair, they're a well-supported club that hasn't won anything since 1969 (lower league titles excepted). Imagine if Villa were in that position.
Now imagine it's 2040, you're still alive, and Villa's last trophy is still the 1996 League Cup!
Which other big team hasn't won a proper trophy in that timeframe?
I was thinking about our lack of recent cup success today. I think the longest Villa went without winning a major trophy is the 37 years in between the 1920 and 1957 FA Cup wins, so as long as we win something by the end of the 2032/33 season, no unwanted record will be broken in this regard....
I'm sure Lambert's got that record in his sights too!!!! ;)
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Newcastle fans seem very irate with their season even though they have had a huge improvement from last year- I'd be very happy to have had that sort of season .
Newcastle fans are always moaning about something. They are borderline Scouse in that respect. They seem to think they should be challenging for the League Title every season even though there isn't any colour footage of them winning anything.
To be fair, they're a well-supported club that hasn't won anything since 1969 (lower league titles excepted). Imagine if Villa were in that position.
Now imagine it's 2040, you're still alive, and Villa's last trophy is still the 1996 League Cup!
Which other big team hasn't won a proper trophy in that timeframe?
I was thinking about our lack of recent cup success today. I think the longest Villa went without winning a major trophy is the 37 years in between the 1920 and 1957 FA Cup wins, so as long as we win something by the end of the 2032/33 season, no unwanted record will be broken in this regard....
I'm sure Lambert's got that record in his sights too!!!! ;)
The chase is on!
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Newcastle fans seem very irate with their season even though they have had a huge improvement from last year- I'd be very happy to have had that sort of season .
Newcastle fans are always moaning about something. They are borderline Scouse in that respect. They seem to think they should be challenging for the League Title every season even though there isn't any colour footage of them winning anything.
To be fair, they're a well-supported club that hasn't won anything since 1969 (lower league titles excepted). Imagine if Villa were in that position.
Now imagine it's 2040, you're still alive, and Villa's last trophy is still the 1996 League Cup!
Which other big team hasn't won a proper trophy in that timeframe?
Background history on Newcastle United last 'cup', in 1969, it wasn't a UEFA recognised trophy at the time. Go back to the 50's for Newcastle United's last proper trophy.
"Inter-Cities Fairs Cup
The Inter-Cities Fairs Cup was a European football competition played between 1955 and 1971. As the name suggests, the competition was set up to promote international trade fairs. Friendly games were regularly held between teams from cities holding trade fairs and it was from these games that the competition evolved. The competition was initially only open to teams from cities that hosted trade fairs and where these teams finished in their national league had no relevance. Early competitions also featured a one city, one team rule."
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Unlike some, I've never really considered us to be in a relegation battle nor do I see us being anywhere near it. The three teams in the relegation spots currently will get nowhere near 35+ points as they're hopeless and then you've got the likes of WBA and Palace who can barely string a result between them.
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If we don't surpass last year's points tally it will be a massive failure
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If we don't surpass last year's points tally it will be a massive failure
That's my concern. I would be expecting us to surpass last years total about now. We are 7 behind.
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If we don't surpass last year's points tally it will be a massive failure
That's my concern. I would be expecting us to surpass last years total about now. We are 7 behind.
I was expecting 45-46 points at the start of the season. I still hope we will get that, but to get up to last years points with 3 to play will still be a bit of progress.
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Newcastle fans seem very irate with their season even though they have had a huge improvement from last year- I'd be very happy to have had that sort of season .
Newcastle fans are always moaning about something. They are borderline Scouse in that respect. They seem to think they should be challenging for the League Title every season even though there isn't any colour footage of them winning anything.
To be fair, they're a well-supported club that hasn't won anything since 1969 (lower league titles excepted). Imagine if Villa were in that position.
Now imagine it's 2040, you're still alive, and Villa's last trophy is still the 1996 League Cup!
Which other big team hasn't won a proper trophy in that timeframe?
I was thinking about our lack of recent cup success today. I think the longest Villa went without winning a major trophy is the 37 years in between the 1920 and 1957 FA Cup wins, so as long as we win something by the end of the 2032/33 season, no unwanted record will be broken in this regard....
Although based on that we will have a six year interruption for WWIII starting next year.