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Heroes & Villains => Villa Memories => Topic started by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 03, 2014, 11:37:45 AM
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03.03.03
Lest we forget.
No I mean, let's forget.
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Forget what?
See, gone already.
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Was that c*nt night or the reverse fixture?
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Was that c*nt night or the reverse fixture?
I think it was this one. This was the all time low.
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my..how they have fallen.....
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I wonder how much those souvenir 'double over the Villa' mirrors make on ebay these days.
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****** night was this one, the home game.
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Quite easily the moodiest atmosphere at a game of football I have ever attended. Even moodier than the previous game at the Sty. Absolutely evil.
I can still remember Enckleman scooping down as if he were picking up flowers...
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My mate shut my fingers in the car door when we got back to the car.
I think I just sighed.
Probably the most depressing Villa performance I've ever seen, mostly for the way we stooped to their level, on and off the pitch.
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Swings and roundabouts, it was a terrible night and we didn't win any of the next four derbies after that one either but on the cheerful side, apart from a league cup defeat we haven't lost any of the last eight in the league vs them I do believe, 6 wins and 2 draws.
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My mate shut my fingers in the car door when we got back to the car.
I think I just sighed.
Probably the most depressing Villa performance I've ever seen, mostly for the way we stooped to their level, on and off the pitch.
I always think the Mail was partly culpable with that. The way they had been stoking things up with "Noses in the Holte" meant that a lot of people on top of the Hardcore/Youth/C Crew types were out looking for it.
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My mate shut my fingers in the car door when we got back to the car.
I think I just sighed.
Probably the most depressing Villa performance I've ever seen, mostly for the way we stooped to their level, on and off the pitch.
I always think the Mail was partly culpable with that. The way they had been stoking things up with "Noses in the Holte" meant that a lot of people on top of the Hardcore/Youth/C Crew types were out looking for it.
Undoubtedly. I also think they came with the attitude that they could walk around the ground like they owned it, partly fostered by their owners, and even many of our ordinary supporters weren't going to let them.
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My mate shut my fingers in the car door when we got back to the car.
I think I just sighed.
Probably the most depressing Villa performance I've ever seen, mostly for the way we stooped to their level, on and off the pitch.
I always think the Mail was partly culpable with that. The way they had been stoking things up with "Noses in the Holte" meant that a lot of people on top of the Hardcore/Youth/C Crew types were out looking for it.
Undoubtedly. I also think they came with the attitude that they could walk around the ground like they owned it, partly fostered by their owners, and even many of our ordinary supporters weren't going to let them.
I think many of them were surprised at the scale of the venom they faced, because during their decades in the wilderness laying waste to the likes of Torquay and Brentford, they'd built up a myth that they were some kind of Uber-firm, and mere association with them made you a bona fida top boy, and of course the yin to this yang was that every Villa fan was lily livered posh boy from Sutton.
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Loved that night from 4pm in town till I climbed into bed at 1am. Sod the result it was the night so many blue and white myths was smashed so far you needed the Hubble telescope to see them.
Didn't see many of those cheap gold badges hanging out on way back into town.
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I remember one of the Villa security guys i knew ,telling me a few days later ,that he had never seen an away following get such a good hiding as the noses that night. He said it was well past midnight before the security guys were allowed to go home. The Venom showed towards our neighbours that night is certainly the worst i have ever seen.
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Damon has just pointed out to me that last night's attendance was '030303'...
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I reckon there are still some noses hiding in the North Stand. I hated the shite on the pitch, i'll never forgive Dublin for costing us the match or the way he has been turned into a hero for it. I quite enjoyed the atmosphere though.
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It was horrible from start to finish. Before my H&V-selling days and the only time I've arrived at the ground early deliberately and left before the final whistle apart from to take money from Villa fans. A good friend of mine got to the Witton Lane end close to the SHA entrance, turned round and went home as he was not prepared to walk through the corridor of hate and bile that spread along the outside of the ground.
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The actions of Joey Gudjonsson left a lot to be desired aswell.
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They did but the game was lost by then and he isn't treated like some kind of hero for it.
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Only time I can recall fans trying to kick down barriers underneath the stand trying to get at the away fans. In fairness I have only seen that happen once at an away game and that was the Noses too.
I will always have a distinct memory of a Nose getting kicked to ribbons in the upper Witton after the second went in.
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The actions of DD dragged us down closer to their level with that headbutt and I, too, am sick of the glorification of it.
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Only time I can recall fans trying to kick down barriers underneath the stand trying to get at the away fans. In fairness I have only seen that happen once at an away game and that was the Noses too.
I will always have a distinct memory of a Nose getting kicked to ribbons in the upper Witton after the second went in.
Was he the one that bounced down the steps?
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That's the one. It was in the corner near the Holte.
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The actions of DD dragged us down closer to their level with that headbutt and I, too, am sick of the glorification of it.
It's one of the many reasons I love Gabby so much in these games, never gets caught up in that shite, just an ice cold assassin when required.
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The actions of DD dragged us down closer to their level with that headbutt and I, too, am sick of the glorification of it.
It's one of the many reasons I love Gabby so much in these games, never gets caught up in that shite, just an ice cold assassin when required.
And that's why they hate him so much. A local lad who lives and breaths the Villa with a killer touch in the derby games. He's worth his weight in gold when we play the neighbours.
They're hatred of him is just pure unadulterated jealousy.
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Loved that night from 4pm in town till I climbed into bed at 1am. Sod the result it was the night so many blue and white myths was smashed so far you needed the Hubble telescope to see them.
Didn't see many of those cheap gold badges hanging out on way back into town.
There was absolutely nothing to love about that night. It was shameful.
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Loved that night from 4pm in town till I climbed into bed at 1am. Sod the result it was the night so many blue and white myths was smashed so far you needed the Hubble telescope to see them.
Didn't see many of those cheap gold badges hanging out on way back into town.
There was absolutely nothing to love about that night. It was shameful.
Agreed. It was a low point in the history of Aston Villa. I hated everything about that night - the result, the performance and above all the disgusting atmosphere of hate both inside and outside the stadium.
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"After that game I had the first thoughts of packing it in. Not because we'd lost but because the atmosphere, the game, represented everything I've ever stood against." Sir Graham.
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The Local media had a lot to do with the horrible atmosphere that night. They were stoking it up for ages before those games - the Mail especially digging up yobs like Hopkins and co and allowing them to spout their hatred of Villa to the masses and winding them up something rotten. Gold, Sullivan Brady also. They took every opportunity to mention Villa in every interview they ever gave, and it was all about winding the Noses up. It was obvious something nasty was going to happen in those 2 derby games and it did.
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It wasn't even just the local media. I remember an article from The Times the weekend before the first match at their place; it was a full colour page with a set of hugely unbalanced scales in the middle, and a host of facts and figures to show how enormously historically mismatched our two clubs were. The writer pointed out that this imbalance was unique - pretty much every other city derby in this country features clubs that have been similarly successful at some point in their history. I remember thinking what an amusing and magnificent article it was, but also commenting to a friend that it was massively ramping up the pressure for our first league meeting in nearly twenty years. I still find it hard to believe that those two fixtures were evening matches. Whoever thought that was a good idea was dreadfully out of touch.
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Sky thought it would be one of those jolly everybody's friendly derbies like they pretend the Merseyside one to be. When the coaches arrived they started filming, encouraging Small Heath to play up for the cameras. Then the bricks started flying.
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Does anyone actually remember anything about the game?
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Sky thought it would be one of those jolly everybody's friendly derbies like they pretend the Merseyside one to be. When the coaches arrived they started filming, encouraging Small Heath to play up for the cameras. Then the bricks started flying.
Sky managed to film the second Villa firm that was out that night after they had given the Noses a doings being escorted in.
I think after the return game at Villa Park, they had other ideas. The cup game in December 2010 was a fair reminder for them that a night game between the Noses and ourselves is about an evil a fixture as Millwall and West Ham.
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Does anyone actually remember anything about the game?
There was a game???
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Does anyone actually remember anything about the game?
I recall very little about the game at Villa Park, but quite a bit about the goings on. Much like the one at the Sty really, where I have got was the definitely onside goal from Vassell in my memory.
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Does anyone actually remember anything about the game?
Dublin falling right into Savage's trap and headbutting him and me thinking 'we're f*cked now then'. Dreadful game. I never enjoy playing them, even though we usually beat them.
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A couple of things that stick in my mind from that night, the noise of the seat banging late on, sounded like a fucking train was in the Holte, and also a small group of policemen in the Lower Holte looking more than a tad worried as it seemed most of the stand near me had gone insane. A big cause of which was the blue wanker/s in the Holte/Trinity boxes chucking coins at us in the Holte.
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Seems like a different world yet only 11 years ago. My son's birthday, so we went from a happy family occasion with cake and presents to a couple of hours of being amongst raw hatred and trying to somehow rationalise it to young minds. I have never been so happy to be driving away from Villa Park in my life.
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I always remember the police line after the game on the Witton holding Villa fans back, with a bottle bank/skip where people were getting all sorts out of to chuck at them.
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What Dublin did was wrong,but lets face it, how many of us would have loved to do the same to Savage. His main role in that Small Heath team was to wind the other team up and he was good at it .
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Loved that night from 4pm in town till I climbed into bed at 1am. Sod the result it was the night so many blue and white myths was smashed so far you needed the Hubble telescope to see them.
Didn't see many of those cheap gold badges hanging out on way back into town.
There was absolutely nothing to love about that night. It was shameful.
Yes, an absolutely shocking night. The first and only time I have been attacked because of supporting Villa. I was punched in the back of the head, whilst walking past the Mcdonalds next to where the 'Newt' used to be at New Street. I was only 20, with my best mate and a group of 6 Birmingham fans just set upon us. I've only been to one derby since, December 2004 when Sorensen threw the ball into the next. A dreadful day, but nothing beats 03/03/03 in the abysmal stakes. A dreadful night.
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What Dublin did was wrong,but lets face it, how many of us would have loved to do the same to Savage. His main role in that Small Heath every team was to wind the other team up and he was good at it .
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Sounds about the right odds for that lot to do anything.
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Awful night. I got punched in town at 1pm. I remember my mom calling me at about 2am from New Zealand as it had made the news out there. a night best to forget.
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The Noses have a long history of picking on small groups in and about town.
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Quote from: perry_barr_pet on March 03, 2014, 05:14:50 PM
Loved that night from 4pm in town till I climbed into bed at 1am. Sod the result it was the night so many blue and white myths was smashed so far you needed the Hubble telescope to see them.
Didn't see many of those cheap gold badges hanging out on way back into town.
There was absolutely nothing to love about that night. It was shameful.
Say what you want but the continual picking on of innocent villa fans in the city centre over the years read what axl rose says in his post and that sums it all up 6 noses jumping 2 innocent villa fans it went on for years and I'm sure there are 100s of other stories of innocent villa fans being picked on dads with young kids,families etc it didn't happen much after that game I bet
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I think many of them were surprised at the scale of the venom they faced, because during their decades in the wilderness laying waste to the likes of Torquay and Brentford, they'd built up a myth that they were some kind of Uber-firm, and mere association with them made you a bona fida top boy, and of course the yin to this yang was that every Villa fan was lily livered posh boy from Sutton.
leeB summed it up as above on page 1. This myth still goes on today.
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I was in The Holte End with my wife for her first and last derby game. She was stunned by the atmosphere. Mind you, so was I and I had been watching from the Holte, including plenty of derbies for nearly twenty five years.
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Terrible night, probably my lowest one as a fan still just for all of the off the field stuff.
I remember walking past witton station just as a whole load of them got off, all chanting SOTV. Went round the witton island corner which was pretty quiet and then went towards the north stand gates and they all came round that corner at the same time so chanting it.
I believe that must've been the group that got glassed before they entered the Witton.
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"After that game I had the first thoughts of packing it in. Not because we'd lost but because the atmosphere, the game, represented everything I've ever stood against." Sir Graham.
I wouldn't have blamed him for he'd handed his notice in, I remember his Sky tv interview was incredibly short that night, think he answered one question in a dignified manner and that was it.
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Does anyone actually remember anything about the game?
We didn't handle the occasion well, think we barely had a shot on target and some bizarre selections like Stefan Moore on the right so could be like one of the home games from this season! SHA were outplaying us when it was 11 v 11, they deserved to win.
What I can never understand after the first game is how the police actually allowed the second one to take place at 8pm aswell?!
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"After that game I had the first thoughts of packing it in. Not because we'd lost but because the atmosphere, the game, represented everything I've ever stood against." Sir Graham.
I wouldn't have blamed him for he'd handed his notice in, I remember his Sky tv interview was incredibly short that night, think he answered one question in a dignified manner and that was it.
Didn't he just say something like "i'm going to do my talking in the dressing room, not out here" and end the interview after about a minute?
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If it wasn't for that result I doubt I'd ever have had a reason to visit the H&V site. I needed to retreat somewhere and be counseled or to counsel like minded people. Just to know others out there were going through the same as me and I was not alone was comfort in itself. I know that may appear a bit pathetic but at the time then it helped. I think my morose was worsened that the day of the game a gang of us had just come back from a weekend in the highlands where much single malt was imbibed. A home defeat to them on top of Alcohol depression is not the best mixture.
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If it wasn't for that result I doubt I'd ever have had a reason to visit the H&V site. I needed to retreat somewhere and be counseled or to counsel like minded people. Just to know others out there were going through the same as me and I was not alone was comfort in itself. I know that may appear a bit pathetic but at the time then it helped. I think my morose was worsened that the day of the game a gang of us had just come back from a weekend in the highlands where much single malt was imbibed. A home defeat to them on top of Alcohol depression is not the best mixture.
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It was the 0-3 that did that to me - I began writing letters to AVFC but such was my fury they were incoherent - then came on here to find similar angst and anger riddled souls and took solace
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"After that game I had the first thoughts of packing it in. Not because we'd lost but because the atmosphere, the game, represented everything I've ever stood against." Sir Graham.
I wouldn't have blamed him for he'd handed his notice in, I remember his Sky tv interview was incredibly short that night, think he answered one question in a dignified manner and that was it.
Didn't he just say something like "i'm going to do my talking in the dressing room, not out here" and end the interview after about a minute?
That is my recollection too PWS. I honestly think he was too upset with what had happened on the pitch to trust himself with the interview.
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There was a game???
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Neither of them were games, they were bloody wars. As bad as things are this season, it doesn't come close to matching how low I felt at that point. The game at Villa Park in particular. From the moment you got in the ground, there was a nasty and poisonous feeling in the air.
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If it makes you feel any better I was living in Rio at the time and had flown back for 2 days in the middle of Carnaval to see us avenge the 3-0 defeat. All I remember of the game is sitting in the Upper Holte with about 10 mins to go thinking I could be screwing a hot Brazilian girl instead of being here. Can't recall ever being as miserable at VP.