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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on February 23, 2014, 03:25:21 PM
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Bollocks.
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Inevitable
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We're not even a good counter attacking away team anymore....its just been too shit for too many years now.
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This is not good enough for Aston Villa FC.
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Lambert out!
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fuckin shit as usual, thus clown of a manager has to go!!!!!!!
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The whole team is going backwards fast . We are in trouble .
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Our front three should be fined, they don't even do the basics.
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What a tactical masterstroke to take off Westwood and Bertrand for Sylla and Bennett. Fucking clueless.
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Second half was a disgrace, forwards didn't want to control the ball, couldn't pass or hold it up. Their goal was on the cards for 20 mins. Came for a 0-0, go home with nothing again and three games without a goal. Fuck off football, fuck off Lambert! New contract? Yes please!
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We're utterly shit. Lamberts a joke. That's all
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first half I thought we were very good 2nd half useless.
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Lambert out!
Is the only answer.
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I'm done with Lambert that was a disgrace, they just looked lethargic and disinterested throughout.
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Yet another inquest.
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Fucking bollocks. We played well up to a point.
Benteke - why does he avoid being criticised on here? He was fucking awful and should be dropped.
Vlaar - we did he go to ground so easily on Remy for the shot?
Newcastle are absoloute shit and we lost. cardiff are the worst team in the league (lost at home to Hull 4-0) and we drew.
Fucked off. Fucking hate Newcastle and Pardew. what a fucking load of fucking cunty bollocks. Fuck off. Twats. FUCK!!!
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I laughed when their winner went in, I can't even get angry anymore.
Lambert is clueless and our best player doesn't bother trying anymore. We are going down.
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After 60 minutes of vaguely enterprising stuff we flagged and failed.
A lack of quality and experience; and really inept attacking. We could and should have taken a 1 or 2 goal lead in the first half. We didn't and Lambert has now to step up and do something different and effective.
This may mean dropping his main striker, Benteke, whose contribution was negligible.
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Whoops, we lost. Lambert the reverse alchemist turns the precious metal of a good first half performance into solid lead. What a terrible 'turnaround' that was.
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Rubbish. Garbage. Gutless.
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Sack him already. He's fucking dreadful.
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I think only Guzan at the moment is prem quality , this is worrying.
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To be honest, that's about the level of performance I expect to see from Villa these days. By which I mean, it was completely dreadful, devoid of quality, lacking any kind of creativity and utterly, utterly boring.
Standard for us under Lambert, really.
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12-1 on us to drop looks attractive.
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I hope everybody from Lerner down to the gardeners at the allotment get sacked.
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Start to finish utter dross. We've just had nearly 2 weeks off and this is the standard of football. Pathetic.
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I think they need another warm weather break.
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That's what you get when you spent 18 months with a clueless manager in charge.
Pathetic.
Norwich is now a six pointer. Lose that and we're in the brown stuff.
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If there is anyone on here who doesn't think we are not in the shit....they are simply deluded!!!!
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Benteke was an utter disgrace. Piss off if you're not bothered son. Lambert is just thick, I don't think one should criticise him for having no brain
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Alright first half, utter shit second.
Nothing like good enough. Four points off the relegation places and no sign of any real improvement.
I can't believe we are trying to get him to sign a new contract.
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Decent enough first half but 2nd half we were dreadful - why can we not play a game for 90 minutes?
In the end we got what we deserved and with a tough run of games ahead we will be in real trouble come the end of march - totally inept management.
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Benteke is fucking shit and can only be bothered when he wants to. If that's the case, he can fuck off. You can only live off one season for so long before it becomes apparent you're not as good as you like to think you are.
Gabby is not a very good footballer at all.
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We are absolutely fucked.
We deserve to be relegated. We didn't spend enough last few years, we have been too content to bob along pretending everything is OK.
That trap door is there and to be honest we can have no complaints if we drop. If yo are content as an Aston Villa owner to make up the numbers then the footballing Gods will eventually squeeze you.
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Absolute bollocks,some of them players are a joke,gabby,Benteke,weimann may as well not of been on there for all they done. What the hell was the point take Bertrand off don't think he was injured. Bottom 3 is getting closer
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You don't win games replacing Westwood with Sylla with half an hour to go and you have Albrighton on the bench.
Please kindly fuck off Lambert and take your shit signings with you.
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Benteke needs dropping. I'd start Helenius nest game and send a fuck you and pull your fucking socks up message to him.
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Absolute fucking rubbish. Bennett was surrounded by team-mates as a comfortable ball was lobbed up to him. He heads it to the only Newcastle player in the same post-code. Said Player gives it back to him, bennett fucking returns the fucking compliment. Goal. Bollocks. Shit wankers. Useless.
Sorry, can hardly type properly.
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Anyone going to continue to defend our idiot of a manager?
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Lambert out!
Is the only answer.
No, Randy out too. We don't have the finances to move forward. He should be looking for a buyer now.
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In the words of Chris Smith ''oh no not another Lambert bashing thread''.
Our manager just isn't clued up enough to take our club forward.
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Words fail me but I'll have a go FUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKK!!!!!
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Once again you can rely on good ol' Aston Villa if you're in a run of poor form...
Thanks lads... I wasn't expecting any better than a 0-0 but you've cost me 5 points in the prediction league.
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How the fucking hell is this going to change?????? We are rubbish. Totally shit. And totally leaderless, directionless and useless.
Lambert - give us an answer... "Will you please fuck off out of this club?"
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Regardless of the goal, my aftermatch comments would have been the same.
Promising first half.
absolute, utter tripe, the second.
We just have no ability, quality or know how to hurt teams who are as bad or worse than us.
The front 3 were totally toothless, and when your best midfield option from the bench is Sylla, then you know things are bad.
The team is weak, the squad is poor.
Anyone who thinks we are not in for a scary couple of months is in for a shock.
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It was another poor game when are we going to turn this around.
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Thickest Villa set-up in history. Just abjectly dense on all fronts.
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If there is anyone on here who doesn't think we are not in the shit....they are simply deluded!!!!
I think we'll stay up fairly easily. Should I sign myself in at the lunatic asylum?
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I hope everybody from Lerner down to the gardeners at the allotment get sacked.
Lerner owns the club. Who's going to sack him?
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lamberts brilliant half time talks again . Can they understand the joker or is he that crap at being a manager
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I hope everybody from Lerner down to the gardeners at the allotment get sacked.
If there is anyone on here who doesn't think we are not in the shit....they are simply deluded!!!!
We have been int he shit since Fulham deservedly beat us at the cottage. Writing has been on the wall for months.
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If there is anyone on here who doesn't think we are not in the shit....they are simply deluded!!!!
Think we are there already, unless that's just despair I can smell.
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That's it for me. I can't think of any more reasons to defend either the manager or the players.
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Kozak with a gammy leg would have done more than Benteke out there today. Big Ron Atkinson used to say "I don't worry about the opposition, I let the opposition worry about us." Lambert is the complete opposite of this, we only react to what the other team is doing. No impetus, no nothing.
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First half we were the best of two mediocre teams. Once Westwood went off we turned to shit.
Benteke won flick ons but his touch on the ground was poor. He should be dropped. Weimann might do a lot of unnoticed running around but again looks awkward when on the ball.
Baker and KEA (who are often criticised) had good games.
I don't think I will bother watching a full game on TV again.
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I hope everybody from Lerner down to the gardeners at the allotment get sacked.
Lerner owns the club. Who's going to sack him?
There may have been an element of sarcasm in my post.
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Tosh.
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2 wins in 13 games 27 goals in 27 matches but we are playing good football apparently. Fcukin joke. You watch him come out and say horseshit like we were excellent or unlucky.
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Benteke was an utter disgrace. Piss off if you're not bothered son. Lambert is just thick, I don't think one should criticise him for having no brain
masterstroke by Lambert keeping him ;( should have took the money and run . Do you blame CB or do you blame Lambert . Both are to blame , both awful at the moment.
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2 wins in 13 games 27 goals in 27 matches but we are playing good football apparently. Fcukin joke. You watch him come out and say horseshit like we were excellent or unlucky.
And this management deserves a lovely new contract.
I hate them all
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I will not be renewing my season ticket next season. This game has sealed it for me not to renew.
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Dear Paul.
I'll say this in a language you'll understand "get tae fuck out of our club and take 90% of them useless ****** wae you.
Kind Regards
Richard.
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That's what you get when you spent 18 months with a clueless manager in charge.
Pathetic.
Norwich is now a six pointer. Lose that and we're in the brown stuff.
Lose that and surely the fans will finally turn on him .
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this is a slow painful death can someone please let me know what happens in May because I cant stand another 3
months of this :'(
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An ok first half which was fairly even on chances, the second half was just amazingly poor again.
We really are just a one trick pony with our 'boot it up to Benteke' philosophy, unfortunately when it doesn't come off, which is more often than not now, we look more like a lame donkey. Benteke isn't playing well, but do the tactics really suit him? He should be on the end of flick ons or getting nice balls passed through on the ground to him. I also wonder what our actual success rate is for retention when we do boot it up to Benteke. From just watching recent games i'm guessing it can't be more than 30-40%
Notable mentions - Westwood and KEA in the first half.
As for Lambert. Sylla for Westwood - why? Bennett for Bertrand - why? No Albrighton - why? No Plan B - why?
I was just writing a draw away from home wouldn't be a bad result, but when you consider our home form, and that Newcastle have the worst form in the league at the moment and are on the back of a terrible run, we really need to be getting 3 points from games like this. Just saw that Newcastle got a late winner. WTF!
I am seriously worried now, i really do struggle to see where we are going to pick up points from and i don't see us going on a run like last year. Norwich next week is a must win.
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Guzan 7/10
Bacuna 5/10
Vlaar 7/10
Baker 6/10
Bertrand 7/10
Westwood 8/10
Delph 5/10
El Ahmadi 6/10
Agbonlahor 1/10
Benteke 2/10
Weimann 1/10
Sylla 0/10
Bennett 1/10
Horrendous substitutions, horrendous attacking, horrendous football. Just get him out. Our front three were absolutely pathetic. Our left hand side with Sylla and Bennett late on is the worst Aston Villa has ever, ever had. It's getting as bad as McLeish, he needs to be gone. Now.
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Another kick in the teeth for the fans. Lose against Norwich and I think any remaining goodwill and support Lambert enjoys may well give way to outright hostility.
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Utter shite the front 3 were so inempt today and yet Albrighton is kept on the bench.If I was him I would not even bother signing a new deal under Lambert.
Bacuna every fucking time he gets the ball he hits it long, when he play's RB he is so worried about losing ball he time and time again hits it long.Bennet WTF its take a special type of clueless ****** to buy 2 LB's and have them both be unable to fucking defend !!!
We are very much in a relegation fight now and to be honest I think we are clearly one of the worst teams in the league currently.If we stay up it will have more to do with the others being worse than anything we do.
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Oh come off it, when Benteke signed a new contract everybody was pleased. Now we look back and sarcastically berate Lambert for it?
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"The lads were terrific, can't fault the effort. We're a young team.... we go again."
I count 4 league wins in 5 months. Horrific.
Lerner should be pulling the trigger right now but instead he's getting a new contract printed up. We are well and truly f*cked. If they think we aren't in a relegation battle they are deluded.
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I count myself in the deluded camp as I backed us to win with CB to score... what a pratt!
I stuggle to see us winning any games anymore, if I am honest, this is just dire.
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Although we are far from safe, I doubt we will go down this season, but I'm struggling to get excited by another struggle to get to 40 points.
If we stay up, then it just feels like putting off the inevitable, it will eventually happen.
Bewildering tactics and decisions, players who are blatantly not good enough.
Unless something remarkable happens between how and the end of the season, I'd sack him in the summer, I'm afraid. We are - at the very best, by the most generous interpretation - standing still.
The happy times / sad times balance is completely, completely fucked up. It just goes on and on, week after week, being so unfulfilling.
I am just gob smacked anyone at the club is sufficiently pleased with that to talk new contracts, when the discussion should be about whether or not it is working.
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Wonderful team selection and tactics from Mumbles again .
Why no Albrighton ? What was wrong with Bertrand ?
When the best options from the bench are sylla and Bennett we're fucked
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The lack of nous and intelligence in this Villa team is appalling. You just knew Newcastle were going to bloody score at the end, whereas we had enough chances to win at a canter. It's so frustrating to watch, between this and the Cardiff game a single point just isn't good enough. I don't think we'll go down but it'll be more by luck than judgement.
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Lambert
Why no Albrighton
your best player in recent weeks
you are a stubborn f**k at times and when you dont like a player , you dont think of a the team but your stubborn self .
Please go
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Useless cockeatingswafflemonkeys
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Once Westwood went off the writing was on the wall. We have barely played well all season let alone for more than 30 minutes in a game. Bennett should've cleared the danger not once but twice..but why was he on? And if we're playing for 0 0 in the last 5 mins the forwards have got to hold on to the ball.
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I hope everybody from Lerner down to the gardeners at the allotment get sacked.
Lerner owns the club. Who's going to sack him?
Liverpool fans campaigned against unpopular American owners and help achieve a change of owner. Although it grieves me to say it, the Doug tenure proves that Villa fans haven't got what it takes to sustain a similar 'Randy Out' campaign.
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A fifteen minute spell in the first half where we looked okay-ish does not constitute good football. Buck stops with Lerner and it's getting seriously hard to justify Lambert remaining Villa boss.
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Yet another inquest.
You have missed out the word 'hysterical'.
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12-1 on us to drop looks attractive.
Got us at 30/1 a couple of months back. Looks great value now. We don't look like scoring at all at the moment. Could have snuck an undeserved win late on but all three of our forwards fucked up various counter attacks.
Newcastle were awful but deserved it. Westwood going off was key for us. Vlaar's individual mistakes eventually cost us. On his arse all game today. He had a nightmare today. Baker and Guzan were solid. Westwood was very good. Not sure who the worst of the rest was, probably Sylla but he had plenty of competition.
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I think only Guzan at the moment is prem quality , this is worrying.
He certainly seems to be the only one who can go through an entire game without making a number of basic errors. Completely went to pot when Westwood went off and even when we looked OK in the first half, we still lacked any real quality in the final third. Really, really poor stuff.
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Too many big time charlies at the club who know that there is no way they'll get dropped.
Benteke and Wiemann are the worst of this ilk by a country mile.
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Dear Randy,
Please sack this management team now and get a football person to help you get somebody in who will galvanize us short term.
Long-term, start the process of either finding a buyer or a manager who genuinely can take us forward with limited resources. We are heading for relegation within a season or two if you do not shake yourself and the club our of the paralysis that has been choking it for the past three years. If we do drop, your investment to this point is for nothing and you will have presided over one of the biggest cock-ups in British football.
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I can't defend Lambert any longer, he's a really poor manager, who has assembled a really poor side. There's only one direction we're heading and that is down, such a shame for a great football club. Fuck sake!!!!!!
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Two awful substitutions, the first cost us the win the second the draw.
Good for a decent amount of that game. Then took off Westwood who was bossing things, for Sylla who looks like an absolute clodder. Then take off Bertrand who helps our defence look solid and then concede from a mistake by his replacement. Lambert needs to learn from that one.
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Any other team in the league would have won there today.
Our so called attacking threat was non-existent or not interested.
We have no real quality & are again intent on committing suicide week after week.
We deserve to get relegated but we will probably scape through, again.
Lambert's new contract why????
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I really have no love left for football. It's just so draining and miserable.
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I really have no love left for football. It's just so draining and miserable.
Ditto
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so all my non Villa friends said 3 games ago , no problem with Villa going down , you will be fine.
now texting me , you really are shit and are serious trouble .
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It clearly isn't working. Three games to turn it around?
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Anyone going to continue to defend our idiot of a manager?
Not anymore. Don't like slagging us off but I am at my wit's end now. I hope we stay up (we will) and we show some ambition in the summer (we won't) and Lambert can turn this around (:()
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If we do get relegated no one can say it hasn't been coming for years now.
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I really wanted Lambert to be a good manager for us and bring in good players and stability. I have really tried to support him and blame it all on Randy but enough is enough. Something has to change.
We cant change the players.
We can't change the owner.
The only thing left is the manager.
As I was typing that I remembered that i made a similar comment last year.
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After watching the enthralling rugby yesterday, this shit just reaffirms how mediocre and boring football is these days, especially for a Villa fan.
I mean, if ever a team were there for the taking it was Newcastle, they were absolutely dire for the most part and our front three couldn't muster anything.
That has to be one of the worst performances from a striker by Benteke I've ever seen. His movement is terrible, touch likewise and then just throwing his hands in the air, well I've had enough of it.
I'll reserve praise for Baker and Guzan who I thought were excellent and Westwood who played well but the others, oh my word... And I'm sorry but Bertrand is almost as bad as Luna and Bennett and that IS saying something.
Still, let's keep rewarding mediocrity and be content that our beloved club may escape relegation, whoop-de-do!
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Good: Guzan, Westwood
Okay: Vlaar, Baker, Bertrand (although lucky to stay on the field), Gabby, Delph, El Ahmadi
Bad: Benteke, Weimann, Bacuna
It's a shame we lost - I thought a draw was just about fair. I do worry when teams have long runs of defeats, in the same way when teams keep winning I think we might have a chance (like Southampton earlier in the season) as runs don't last forever. I think in the first half we showed that we are improving slightly with our ball retention, but it's far from good enough at the moment.
I don't think we're playing well enough, but I'm not getting suicidal just yet. Plenty more games to play, and we can't stay off form forever. There'll be a good run between now and May.
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Could understand Sylla on for Westwood as Westwood had picked up a knock. But Bennett for just Bertrand beggars belief, and I still don't know why he didn't bring Albrighton on - width, pace, and decent crosses could have finished them off. We'd had 2 lucky escapes - one at the end of the first half and another just before they scored - and they were there for the taking.
Lambert doesn't have a clue and he can just fuck right off as far as I'm concerned now. We've got a Championship squad and a Championship manager. We're just scraping by every year, with an ambition to just stay in the Prem and get some place on the Deloitte money ladder. What has happened to my club?
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Dear Randy,
Please sack this management team now and get a football person to help you get somebody in who will galvanize us short term.
Long-term, start the process of either finding a buyer or a manager who genuinely can take us forward with limited resources. We are heading for relegation within a season or two if you do not shake yourself and the club our of the paralysis that has been choking it for the past three years. If we do drop, your investment to this point is for nothing and you will have presided over one of the biggest cock-ups in British football.
PS get some advice from SGT...
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Norwich has become a massive match now. Which is shit.
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Anyone else see Wiemann piss himself laughing when he screwed a shot wide. I want to see anger and passion not smirking.
Drop him for the rest of the season and see if he still finds it funny. We won't miss him.
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Any other team in the league would have won there today.
Our so called attacking threat was non-existent or not interested.
We have no real quality & are again intent on committing suicide week after week.
We deserve to get relegated but we will probably scape through, again.
Lambert's new contract why????
I thought this against Cardiff too
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I've said this too many times over the last few years, both on here and to friends: losing I can take. It's part of the game and over the years I've easily witnessed as many defeats as victories. What is draining is watching a multimillionaire manager and players - overseen by a billionaire owner - go through the same motions seemingly week-in, week out. Same shit, same excuses. We don't even do false dawns any more, just the same-old, same-old.
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I really have no love left for football. It's just so draining and miserable.
Oh come on!, surely the news that the delightful Wayne Rooney, that colossus of international football is now reputedly to be paid £300K a week has lightened your mood somewhat.
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Westwood must have been injured - he went straight to the dressing room - if he wasn't then that should be enough evidence to show how clueless lambert is . It was his best game this season by a mile.
He sets teams out not to lose - doesn't try to win games .
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I really have no love left for football. It's just so draining and miserable.
Exactly this.
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If this was an Ellis charge there would be shouts for blood on the streets, Randy not a clue, Lambert if you only had as much a clue as Randy, when have we accepted crap at Villa Park as not only the norm but the acceptable, we do not want to be creditable now, we just want to be here. Please Randy do one of two things for the benefit of the tatoo on your leg, make us count or go and take Mr. Lambert and Benteke with you, one on the pitch totally unacceptable and the other one of the pitch without a clue.
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Norwich has become a massive match now. Which is shit.
They will all be big games from now on...
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Norwich has become a massive match now. Which is shit.
We'll beat them.
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Norwich has become a massive match now. Which is shit.
We'll beat them.
What evidence do you base this on Tom?
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Bertrand must have been injured although it wasnt obvious. Westwood Baker and KEA played well considering the abuse they get. Benteke is not Andy Gray he doesnt appear to be giving it his best shot by a distance. If you select a team to play for a draw thats what happens.
Albrighton has been in excellent form so he doesnt get picked. Its what you expect from Lambert.
A poor manager in charge of a mediocre team.
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They've got a horrendous fixture list in March. They need to beat Norwich at home next week or whenever it is.
I'm trying to think of a worse side since 87. Taylor's sides were good Venglos had a good side just not a good coach. Atkinsons sides were the best I've seen. Little produced good sides. Gregory's were good. Maybe the 02-03 era is a candidate under Taylor. Even O'Leary got them to 5th.Mons teams good. Houllier got them playing towards end of season. So it's down to who's worse McLeish or this side.
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... And I'm sorry but Bertrand is almost as bad as Luna and Bennett and that IS saying something.
Lambert rubs off on them
Luna was great first two games
;)
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Norwich has become a massive match now. Which is shit.
We'll beat them.
What evidence do you base this on Tom?
The fact that they're bobbins and we have better players than them. They've been even worse than us this season.
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They've got a horrendous fixture list in March. They need to beat Norwich at home next week or whenever it is.
I'm trying to think of a worse side since 87. Taylor's sides were good Venglos had a good side just not a good coach. Atkinsons sides were the best I've seen. Little produced good sides. Gregory's were good. Maybe the 02-03 era is a candidate under Taylor. Even O'Leary got them to 5th.Mons teams good. Houllier got them playing towards end of season. So it's down to who's worse McLeish or this side.
this is the worst. end of discussion. style of play alone, this is the worst.
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One of those games where you just get angrier and angrier as it goes on.
So many little things that I'm sure could be put right with minimum effort, but it's so difficult to pinpoint who's at fault from where we stand. Is the management incompetent? Is the coaching substandard? Are the players unmotivated or simply not good enough?
Whatever the answer I'd start by docking every single one of them 50% of their wages this week. Paul Lambert included.
See if that reminds them that football matches last for ninety minutes.
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Although we are far from safe, I doubt we will go down this season, but I'm struggling to get excited by another struggle to get to 40 points.
Looking at our fixtures though i find it hard to see we've got 4 wins in us, when you look at games against teams that you think should be potentially winnable games, you suddenly realised we've not been winning those kind of games. I think we'll be lucky to get 8-10 points.
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Well, we'd have no players left with the 50% fine rule. Possibly not the worst thing in the world.
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Cue the worst and complete opposite post match interview ever.
If the words, "we were excellent" and "we pick them up and go again" appear today I'm going to finish my dinner, have a drink and watch Norwich v Spurs.
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well when you aint scored for nearly 450 mins , the best team play is The Villa
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Yet again. If you need to stop a rot, play Paul Lambert's Aston Villa. Arguably the most rotten team in the division.
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Anyone else see Wiemann piss himself laughing when he screwed a shot wide. I want to see anger and passion not smirking.
Drop him for the rest of the season and see if he still finds it funny. We won't miss him.
Being saying the same about Gabby for ages.Always joking with the opposition defenders and never berating himself when he misses a sitter.Just hasn`t got the winning mentality
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I really have no love left for football. It's just so draining and miserable.
That's only because we're utter shite. If we played better, entertaining football you'd still love football.
We deserve much better than this shit. The sooner Lambert goes the better. The man's clueless.
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im changing my sig
Schmeichel is off his rocker
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Yet another inquest.
You have missed out the word 'hysterical'.
Are you enjoying what you are watching, Mal? Are we heading to a good place?
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Norwich has become a massive match now. Which is shit.
You can just picture the Norwich fans celebrating a win against us as our fans turn on lambert - so different from that afternoon at carrow road when he was being courted by our fans on the last day of the season :(
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There are 11 games left.
Our record for the last 11 league games is:
LLDWLDWLLDL
That's 9 points from 33, which is pathetic.
If we repeat that for the remaining 11 games. We will end up on 37 points, which as well as probably meaning relegation, would be utterly pathetic.
That means that we are going to have to find some much improved form. I can't see that happening.
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Norwich has become a massive match now. Which is shit.
We'll beat them.
wont beat easy .
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Norwich has become a massive match now. Which is shit.
We'll beat them.
What evidence do you base this on Tom?
Probability? We can't be this shit forever.
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Decent players turn shit with Lambert in charge. Can Lerner be arsed to watch a match over here. I just wish he'd sell up fast.
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People are being way too harsh on Benteke. This "system" we play is absolutely ridiculous but he's there winning a lot of headers and causing problems for defenders. Where are the players around him trying to, you know, help him? It's impossible for him to do it on his own!
Lambert is the main problem, he just doesn't know how to win a game. Look at today for example, Newcastle were shit but we seemed content holding on for a 0-0 draw.
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Unfortunately Randy will do fuck all and this clueless management team will keep aston villa limping on like a 3 legged rabid dog until the inevitable happens. I would love someone to argue this is any better than mcleish. Listen up Randolph, get this fucking sorted or fucking sell up. Nobody wants you, Faulkner, lambert or his fucking cronies here,why don't you do the decent thing.
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Fortunately we brought in Big Grant Holt to help us out in the big games. He'll be unstoppable in March.
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Dear Paul.
I'll say this in a language you'll understand "get tae fuck out of our club and take 90% of them useless c***s wae you.
Kind Regards
Richard.
Can we make that two dicks!?! I'll second that gladly, what a pathetic idiot he is
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People are being way too harsh on Benteke. This "system" we play is absolutely ridiculous but he's there winning a lot of headers and causing problems for defenders. Where are the players around him trying to, you know, help him? It's impossible for him to do it on his own!
The thing is, he was doing far better last season. He'll come back to form though, I'm sure.
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There are 11 games left.
Our record for the last 11 league games is:
LLDWLDWLLDL
That's 9 points from 33, which is pathetic.
If we repeat that for the remaining 11 games. We will end up on 37 points, which as well as probably meaning relegation, would be utterly pathetic.
That means that we are going to have to find some much improved form. I can't see that happening.
and whats worrying we have had some easy teams we should beating in those games .
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I always felt confident somehow last season that it would get better. The team deserved the opportunity to develop as a premier league side. This season has slowly descended into a morass of truly shite football.
Lowton, Westwood - despite his performance today, Sylla, Weimann, Benteke were all key then and look a pale shadow now. They seem either totally unconcerned or scared of their own shadow.
Benteke in particular is reacting badly to being used as a second generation Grant Holt. He's a footabller, not the big get up front that provides the flick ons. Play the ball to his chest or his feet or into space around him. Stop bladdering it 60 yards through the stratosphere in his general direction. That doesn't excuse his half arsed attitude. It does mean that Lambert has to shoulder a lot of responsibility for his failure to terrorise defences this term.
Lambert really has to go. I cannot understand the thinking behind trying to get hm to sign up for another stint.
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People are being way too harsh on Benteke. This "system" we play is absolutely ridiculous but he's there winning a lot of headers and causing problems for defenders. Where are the players around him trying to, you know, help him? It's impossible for him to do it on his own!
Lambert is the main problem, he just doesn't know how to win a game. Look at today for example, Newcastle were shit but we seemed content holding on for a 0-0 draw.
Regarding Benteke, you must have been watching a very, very, very different match to me today. His performance was disgusting
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Please Mr. Lambert go and I do not care who comes in for you, as long as he tries to make Aston Villa creditable again, if not this club and I cannot believe I am going to type this and that is after seeing over 30 years of our sometimes good , sometimes bad, but never didn't matter, as we do now, go down and lets press the restart button.
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After watching the enthralling rugby yesterday, this shit just reaffirms how mediocre and boring football is these days, especially for a Villa fan.
I mean, if ever a team were there for the taking it was Newcastle, they were absolutely dire for the most part and our front three couldn't muster anything.
That has to be one of the worst performances from a striker by Benteke I've ever seen. His movement is terrible, touch likewise and then just throwing his hands in the air, well I've had enough of it.
I'll reserve praise for Baker and Guzan who I thought were excellent and Westwood who played well but the others, oh my word... And I'm sorry but Bertrand is almost as bad as Luna and Bennett and that IS saying something.
Still, let's keep rewarding mediocrity and be content that our beloved club may escape relegation, whoop-de-do!
Benteke? Is anyone old enough to remember Earl Barrett? Ball control involved the ball bouncing 10 yards off him. Benteke's been taking some lessons from Earl methinks.
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There are 11 games left.
Our record for the last 11 league games is:
LLDWLDWLLDL
That's 9 points from 33, which is pathetic.
If we repeat that for the remaining 11 games. We will end up on 37 points, which as well as probably meaning relegation, would be utterly pathetic.
That means that we are going to have to find some much improved form. I can't see that happening.
If we accept 40 as the survival mark, then an extra 3 points from 11 games doesn't really need much improvement on our current form. Which says much for how shit the bottom half of this division is.
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What would be worse?
We stay up, Lambert stays with his new contract, scours europe in the summer for yet more cheap sub-standard garbage to go with the cheap, sub-standard garbage we've already got and a fifth season of dire football and fighting relegation or ....
We go down Lambert stays with his new contract, scours europe in the summer for yet more cheap sub-standard garbage to go with the cheap, sub-standard garbage we've already got and .... who knows?
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Lambert out
He didnt bring the legend Grant Holt on neither
oh dear .
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What exactly is Benteke supposed to do with crosses hit 20 yards over his head? I'd probably lose interest too.
Oh yes, and the guy who can probably give him the best service, who is in form, is watching from the bench. Pathetic.
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As said so eloquently on the pre-match thread:
"We're the white knight in shining armour that comes galloping in to the rescue when other clubs desperately need points."
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Watch and weep (https://vine.co/v/MmnVbHjVT7r)
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There are 11 games left.
Our record for the last 11 league games is:
LLDWLDWLLDL
That's 9 points from 33, which is pathetic.
If we repeat that for the remaining 11 games. We will end up on 37 points, which as well as probably meaning relegation, would be utterly pathetic.
That means that we are going to have to find some much improved form. I can't see that happening.
and whats worrying we have had some easy teams we should beating in those games .
There's always a team who look safe at new year that get dragged into the scrap.
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As said so eloquently on the pre-match thread:
"We're the white knight in shining armour that comes galloping in to the rescue when other clubs desperately need points."
I'd like to say it isn't depressingly inevitable. But it is.
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well Villa always make the weekends miserable
I enjoyed last weekend
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People are being way too harsh on Benteke. This "system" we play is absolutely ridiculous but he's there winning a lot of headers and causing problems for defenders. Where are the players around him trying to, you know, help him? It's impossible for him to do it on his own!
The thing is, he was doing far better last season. He'll come back to form though, I'm sure.
Yes but he was being utilsed in a different way last season. At the moment we have him playing in the 'Emile Heskey' role, and funnily enough, he's looks about as useful as Emile Heskey! That is primarily down to Lambert's 'tactics'.
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I really don't get why he started Weimann instead of Albrighton. One has been crap most of the season, the other has looked a real threat recently.
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The quality of football displayed today, suggests that we will struggle to beat anybody.
We need a change, the team is stale, clueless, lacks direction, motivation.
Nooccastle were shite today, and there for the taking, we weren't good enough to do it.How many times in reasonable positions today the lack of a final quality ball let us down, Gabby was truly awful today.
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People are being way too harsh on Benteke. This "system" we play is absolutely ridiculous but he's there winning a lot of headers and causing problems for defenders. Where are the players around him trying to, you know, help him? It's impossible for him to do it on his own!
The thing is, he was doing far better last season. He'll come back to form though, I'm sure.
True but he's young and the second season is always difficult for young players. He'll start banging them in soon and people on here will feel really stupid about doubting him.
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positive note westwood had a great game, also thought vlaar and baker were excellent apart from last few minutes. The substitutions cost us a point, so negative and put us on the back foot. Albrighton would have given us some injection out wide. Awful to lose like that.
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chelsea , Man city and Manure to come soon
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im changing my sig
Schmeichel is off his rocker
Wondered how long that would take ;D.
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Norwich has become a massive match now. Which is shit.
We'll beat them.
I said it a few months ago that I would not put money on us beating anyone & by that I mean anyone. I've seen nothing (other that the 45 against Liverpool) to suggest we not be in for another long three months. We just need to hope that other teams are as generous to us as we've been to them.
It has to catch up with us at some point.
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On current form and with the fixtures we have left I think 40 points is a very tough ask - we are in trouble.
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I really have no love left for football. It's just so draining and miserable.
Exactly this.
Just think, there's the always joyous experience of watching England at a major tournament at the end of this season as well!!
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There are 11 games left.
Our record for the last 11 league games is:
LLDWLDWLLDL
That's 9 points from 33, which is pathetic.
If we repeat that for the remaining 11 games. We will end up on 37 points, which as well as probably meaning relegation, would be utterly pathetic.
That means that we are going to have to find some much improved form. I can't see that happening.
If we accept 40 as the survival mark, then an extra 3 points from 11 games doesn't really need much improvement on our current form. Which says much for how shit the bottom half of this division is.
I'll grasp at that straw!
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"Villa will be a farce in a couple of years."
Legion
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"Villa will be a farce in a couple of years."
Legion
already there!
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On current form and with the fixtures we have left I think 40 points is a very tough ask - we are in trouble.
With Norwich, Stoke, Fulham and Hull to come to VP it should be a doddle. But this is the Villa we're talking about.
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What exactly is Benteke supposed to do with crosses hit 20 yards over his head? I'd probably lose interest too.
Oh yes, and the guy who can probably give him the best service, who is in form, is watching from the bench. Pathetic.
Exactly.
Benteke didnt play well and obviously isnt the beast we all thought from the last 4 months of last season. However, you have to play to his strengths which is crosses from out wide i.e Albrighton.
Ive said for months you cant play with the front three we have. Drop Gabby or Andi and play Albrighton.
Playing the long ball isnt pretty and doesnt work.
I would have sacked lambert after sheff utd, but the players alsohave to take responsibility.
Baker played well as did Westy. Other were v poor
Its all very tedious
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On current form and with the fixtures we have left I think 40 points is a very tough ask - we are in trouble.
We are, but 8 other teams are saying the same thing. It really is a lottery, not one of the teams are showing any signs of consistency / improving.
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People are being way too harsh on Benteke. This "system" we play is absolutely ridiculous but he's there winning a lot of headers and causing problems for defenders. Where are the players around him trying to, you know, help him? It's impossible for him to do it on his own!
Lambert is the main problem, he just doesn't know how to win a game. Look at today for example, Newcastle were shit but we seemed content holding on for a 0-0 draw.
Regarding Benteke, you must have been watching a very, very, very different match to me today. His performance was disgusting
Benteke won a massive 21 aerial duels today. Hardly what I'd describe as disgusting.
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And another thing. Ray was offering 6-1 at half time for Remy to score the next goal and as usual I didn't take him up on it.
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There was absolutley no quality in that team going forward. Useless at every aspect. Crossing, passing, movement, through balls... total waste of space. Holt, Tonev and Albrighton would have been no worse than Gabby, Weimann and Benteke today. That's how poor they was.
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People are being way too harsh on Benteke. This "system" we play is absolutely ridiculous but he's there winning a lot of headers and causing problems for defenders. Where are the players around him trying to, you know, help him? It's impossible for him to do it on his own!
Lambert is the main problem, he just doesn't know how to win a game. Look at today for example, Newcastle were shit but we seemed content holding on for a 0-0 draw.
Regarding Benteke, you must have been watching a very, very, very different match to me today. His performance was disgusting
Benteke won a massive 21 aerial duels today. Hardly what I'd describe as disgusting.
That's madness - why the hell is he involved in 21 aeriel duels? That's way too many.
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I really have no love left for football. It's just so draining and miserable.
Exactly this.
Just think, there's the always joyous experience of watching England at a major tournament at the end of this season as well!!
Ha ha. At least watching England wont be as bad as Villa.....oh wait, it will probably be worse
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People are being way too harsh on Benteke. This "system" we play is absolutely ridiculous but he's there winning a lot of headers and causing problems for defenders. Where are the players around him trying to, you know, help him? It's impossible for him to do it on his own!
Lambert is the main problem, he just doesn't know how to win a game. Look at today for example, Newcastle were shit but we seemed content holding on for a 0-0 draw.
Regarding Benteke, you must have been watching a very, very, very different match to me today. His performance was disgusting
Benteke won a massive 21 aerial duels today. Hardly what I'd describe as disgusting.
That's madness - why the hell is he involved in 21 aeriel duels? That's way too many.
Maybe we should start calling him the Red Baron?
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and this performance/result was after a holiday sorry training camp in Portugal
where the players bonded
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There was absolutley no quality in that team going forward. Useless at every aspect. Crossing, passing, movement, through balls... total waste of space. Holt, Tonev and Albrighton would have been no worse than Gabby, Weimann and Benteke today. That's how poor they was.
Agree
Our free kicks drive me mad. The delivery is rubbish and we do the same things repeatedly. Why not do something different?
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all this doom and gloom, what is wrong with you all!! Don't you realise???
Don't worry , "the lads played great, Proud of them, We have to go again" --- Nurse I need my jacket loosening! where has the Empress Josephine gone?????
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There was absolutley no quality in that team going forward. Useless at every aspect. Crossing, passing, movement, through balls... total waste of space. Holt, Tonev and Albrighton would have been no worse than Gabby, Weimann and Benteke today. That's how poor they was.
Correct and isn't that criminal?
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That's madness - why the hell is he involved in 21 aeriel duels? That's way too many.
That's why I thought but WhoScored say 21.
It could be a mistake on their part, I guess.
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People are being way too harsh on Benteke. This "system" we play is absolutely ridiculous but he's there winning a lot of headers and causing problems for defenders. Where are the players around him trying to, you know, help him? It's impossible for him to do it on his own!
Lambert is the main problem, he just doesn't know how to win a game. Look at today for example, Newcastle were shit but we seemed content holding on for a 0-0 draw.
Regarding Benteke, you must have been watching a very, very, very different match to me today. His performance was disgusting
Benteke won a massive 21 aerial duels today. Hardly what I'd describe as disgusting.
That's madness - why the hell is he involved in 21 aeriel duels? That's way too many.
Maybe we should start calling him the Red Baron?
Biggles Benteke has more of a ring to it!
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Is that 2 wins in 13? Very lucky wins as well. Says it all.
Get used to this garbage as nothing is going to change with Lambo in charge and those clowns on the field. I think we'll survive, just, but its just a downward spiral at the Villa, and can't see how Lambo could turn it around even with significant funds in the summer.
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Its alright folks, lambert in his post match conference of easy questions says we'll win more than we lose as we're creating the chances.
Words fail me.
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Its alright folks, lambert in his post match conference of easy questions says we'll win more than we lose as we're creating the chances.
Words fail me.
seems like words of any consequence fail him too!
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On current form and with the fixtures we have left I think 40 points is a very tough ask - we are in trouble.
With Norwich, Stoke, Fulham and Hull to come to VP it should be a doddle. But this is the Villa we're talking about.
Not sure i would treat Hull so lightly
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Yes, we are creating chances, but crucially not taking them.
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Is that 2 wins in 13? Very lucky wins as well. Says it all.
Get used to this garbage as nothing is going to change with Lambo in charge and those clowns on the field. I think we'll survive, just, but its just a downward spiral at the Villa, and can't see how Lambo could turn it around even with significant funds in the summer.
Can't be that bad?
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I wouldn't trust Lambert to turn around at the moment.
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On current form and with the fixtures we have left I think 40 points is a very tough ask - we are in trouble.
With Norwich, Stoke, Fulham and Hull to come to VP it should be a doddle. But this is the Villa we're talking about.
Exactly , I though that about sunderland Swansea and palace games at home and we know how they went - have our players got the fight in them to get out this time , last season we hit on the right formula but this season i doubt we will do so.
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On current form and with the fixtures we have left I think 40 points is a very tough ask - we are in trouble.
With Norwich, Stoke, Fulham and Hull to come to VP it should be a doddle. But this is the Villa we're talking about.
That's my biggest concern. The run in last season saw us play most of the games aganst the teams below us away from home where we seem more likely to get a result. This season those games are at home where we are really struggling.
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On current form and with the fixtures we have left I think 40 points is a very tough ask - we are in trouble.
With Norwich, Stoke, Fulham and Hull to come to VP it should be a doddle. But this is the Villa we're talking about.
Not sure i would treat Hull so lightly
We are apparently staggeringly shit. Hull have two points more than us so hardly a side to be shitting it against.
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I wouldn't trust Lambert to turn around at the moment.
I wouldn't trust him in a car full stop!
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Its alright folks, lambert in his post match conference of easy questions says we'll win more than we lose as we're creating the chances.
Words fail me.
Sometimes when your a multi millionaire for not being very good, you can afford to be so ambivalent about just how shite you actually are
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On current form and with the fixtures we have left I think 40 points is a very tough ask - we are in trouble.
With Norwich, Stoke, Fulham and Hull to come to VP it should be a doddle. But this is the Villa we're talking about.
Not sure i would treat Hull so lightly
I'd probably add Norwich, Stoke and Fulham to that list.
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Its alright folks, lambert in his post match conference of easy questions says we'll win more than we lose as we're creating the chances.
Words fail me.
And with the likes of Benteke, Wiemann and Holt feasting on those chances I'm sure we'll be fine.
Oh hang on a minute............. :-[
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I wouldn't trust Lambert to turn around at the moment.
I wouldn't trust him in a car full stop!
That's what I meant. Can you imagine the mess he'd make of a three-point turn?
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On current form and with the fixtures we have left I think 40 points is a very tough ask - we are in trouble.
With Norwich, Stoke, Fulham and Hull to come to VP it should be a doddle. But this is the Villa we're talking about.
Exactly , I though that about sunderland Swansea and palace games at home and we know how they went - have our players got the fight in them to get out this time , last season we hit on the right formula but this season i doubt we will do so.
We'll probably lose them all. But win both matches away in Manchester. Tis the Villa way.
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The quality of the final ball for them "chances" is the problem though Legion, we haven't got players who have quality, they work hard, they run around, but they don't have quality.How many times did Gabby give the ball away today.Awful.
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I wouldn't trust Lambert to turn around at the moment.
I wouldn't trust him in a car full stop!
clearly couldn't manage the 1 point turn today! - Fail!!
That's what I meant. Can you imagine the mess he'd make of a three-point turn?
clearly couldn't manage the 1 point turn today! - Fail!!
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That's madness - why the hell is he involved in 21 aeriel duels? That's way too many.
That's why I thought but WhoScored say 21.
It could be a mistake on their part, I guess.
I was more alarmed at the large number than sceptical of it. You expect him to get involved in a few whatever the game, in defensive situations and the odd one at their end for whatever reason, but 21 won? Out of how many? It's shocking.
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This is becoming a lost decade in villa history. Can't imagine we will be picking up a general following among anybody born in in the late 2000s.
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What exactly is Benteke supposed to do with crosses hit 20 yards over his head? I'd probably lose interest too.
Oh yes, and the guy who can probably give him the best service, who is in form, is watching from the bench. Pathetic.
Exactly.
Benteke didnt play well and obviously isnt the beast we all thought from the last 4 months of last season. However, you have to play to his strengths which is crosses from out wide i.e Albrighton.
Ive said for months you cant play with the front three we have. Drop Gabby or Andi and play Albrighton.
Playing the long ball isnt pretty and doesnt work.
I would have sacked lambert after sheff utd, but the players alsohave to take responsibility.
Baker played well as did Westy. Other were v poor
Its all very tedious
Agreed the long ball stuff is tedious and detrimental but there were plenty of occasions when there were good balls put into the box today and and none of those occasions did he take up an intelligent position. You either pull back, dash to the front post, far post... Benteke, well he sort of just stands there and ambles around. I'm sorry but a quality number 9 makes much better runs than Benteke.
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This is reminding me of the McLeish season. Many, myself included, believe we will be fine and will accumulate enough points to stay up. That however is based on an assumption of picking up points from "easier" fixtures even after we've just cocked up such fixtures. No goals and one point from West Ham, Cardiff and a very fragile Newcastle does not bode well.
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On current form and with the fixtures we have left I think 40 points is a very tough ask - we are in trouble.
With Norwich, Stoke, Fulham and Hull to come to VP it should be a doddle. But this is the Villa we're talking about.
Not sure i would treat Hull so lightly
We are apparently staggeringly shit. Hull have two points more than us so hardly a side to be shitting it against.
Who put 4 past a team we could nt beat 10 days ago
I bet you thought fulham away would be a doddle as well? Noneof those games are straightforward
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There was absolutley no quality in that team going forward. Useless at every aspect. Crossing, passing, movement, through balls... total waste of space. Holt, Tonev and Albrighton would have been no worse than Gabby, Weimann and Benteke today. That's how poor they was.
Agree
Our free kicks drive me mad. The delivery is rubbish and we do the same things repeatedly. Why not do something different?
We should take a leaf out of our throw-in routines which are clearly working well...
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Decent 1st half but should have scored
Abysmal 2nd half devoid of attacking intent - Gabby and Weimann equally as guilty as Benteke for not doing more
Westwood going off injured didnt help as Sylla on the left of the diamond was clueless and then Bennett joining him just made that side so weak
Huge game again next Sunday but I think time is up for Lambert sadly
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What should Lambert say? We're shit and doomed?
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On current form and with the fixtures we have left I think 40 points is a very tough ask - we are in trouble.
With Norwich, Stoke, Fulham and Hull to come to VP it should be a doddle. But this is the Villa we're talking about.
Not sure i would treat Hull so lightly
We are apparently staggeringly shit. Hull have two points more than us so hardly a side to be shitting it against.
Who put 4 past a team we could nt beat 10 days ago
I bet you thought fulham away would be a doddle as well? Noneof those games are straightforward
I'm guessing you missed this bit "it should be a doddle. But this is the Villa we're talking about." ;)
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Decent 1st half but should have scored
Abysmal 2nd half devoid of attacking intent - Gabby and Weimann equally as guilty as Benteke for not doing more
Westwood going off injured didnt help as Sylla on the left of the diamond was clueless and then Bennett joining him just made that side so weak
Huge game again next Sunday but I think time is up for Lambert sadly
He isnt going anywhere
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As The Riddler once said in the 1966 Batman movie, "We couldn't finish a bag of popcorn."
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On Benteke I thought he was terrible today. Promising moves broke down on him so many times. He plays the right ball at the right time during that break with about 10 to go and we might win today. Gabby would probably have fucked it up though.
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On current form and with the fixtures we have left I think 40 points is a very tough ask - we are in trouble.
With Norwich, Stoke, Fulham and Hull to come to VP it should be a doddle. But this is the Villa we're talking about.
A side that won 4-0 away from home to a side that we couldn't win against but as you say this is the Villa, absolutely anything could happen!
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Paul Lambert:
"It's a hard one to take, very much so.
"I thought we deserved a draw. I don't think we deserved to lose it. I thought a draw would probably have been fair.
"We were great in the first half. We had chance after chance and looked threatening.
"At the end I didn't think anyone was going to score.
"Newcastle had a bit of pressure in the second half but I didn't think there was much in it.
"I thought we dominated the first half. We were very good in the first half and looked a threat.
"We might have scored but it never materialised.
"It was a defensive error from ourselves and we have been punished. You don't lose a goal with 30 seconds to go. The disappointing thing is that we had the ball.
"Defensively we should have knocked it up the pitch and then the game is finished. You kick the ball as far as you can up the pitch.
"We got away with it when Ron tried to beat the lad on the line. That happens and then you think it's going to be like that.
"You can't take anything away from the lad after the finish but we should have seen the game through.
"It's a right hard place to play and you can't take a chance. We took too many chances."
He continued: "If you look at the league from 10th down, everyone is in it.
"There are a lot of games to go. There will be plenty of toing and froing. It will be a low tally with the way the league is. But if we keep looking after ourselves we will be alright. We have been through it so we know what it's like.
"They had belief to come and play like that up here. You take a lot from that. If we keep playing like that, we will win more than that.
You go and try to win the next one."
Lambert revealed that Ashley Westwood was withdrawn in the second half with a deadleg while Ryan Bertrand did well to play as long as he did, as he had a virus in the run-up to the game.
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What should Lambert say? We're shit and doomed?
Clearly not but it would be the most honest statement he has ever made.
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Mind numbing tedium from start to finish. The match and no doubt Lambert's post match comments
He's dragged this club to all kinds of new shitness levels. Along with Lerner obviously
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"Lambert revealed that Ashley Westwood was withdrawn in the second half with a deadleg while Ryan Bertrand did well to play as long as he did, as he had a virus in the run-up to the game."
So not the mentalist subs some thought after all.
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Time for Benteke to be dropped, Id rather start with Holt than him at the minute
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The forwards were frustrated with each other and then seemed to collectively give up. Lambert had plenty of opportunity to change things before this. His substitutions were shocking.
If we lose to Norwich then I think we could easily get relegated.
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3 up front feeding off our hoof football clearly wasn't working. Why not bring Albrighton on as well as Sylla? 4 man midfield and just two players up front, get the ball down and pass, hold on to the ball and it wont keep coming back at us. Its not too difficult to see is it? Why can we all see it and PL cant?
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I went for a walk with the family instead of watching the game. My other half asked me what I was up to and my response was 'I can't sit through yet another turgid Villa performance which will no doubt end up with them losing in the last minute'.
Not only does she think I'm up to something but she now thinks I'm psychic.
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"Lambert revealed that Ashley Westwood was withdrawn in the second half with a deadleg while Ryan Bertrand did well to play as long as he did, as he had a virus in the run-up to the game."
So not the mentalist subs some thought after all.
No - he's a football genius and we're all wrong .
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Norwich at home. 4-4-2. Gabby and Albrighton wide, Holt and Benteke up. High tempo, swing the ball in. Old school football at VP is the way forward.
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"Lambert revealed that Ashley Westwood was withdrawn in the second half with a deadleg while Ryan Bertrand did well to play as long as he did, as he had a virus in the run-up to the game."
So not the mentalist subs some thought after all.
No - he's a football genius and we're all wrong .
I never said that did I. But he subbed two unfit players. Hardly the work of a mentalist is it?
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3 up front feeding off our hoof football clearly wasn't working.
I know and on seeing that i was quite surprised he didn't learn his lesson and change things around to his plan B, 4 up front feeding off our hoof football!
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Norwich at home. 4-4-2. Gabby and Albrighton wide, Holt and Benteke up. High tempo, swing the ball in. Old school football at VP is the way forward.
He wont do that though will he? He'll set up to frustrate Norwich and react to whatever they do. We'll only "attack" on the break from a hoof. If Norwich settle into parking the bus then so will we. We worry about the opposition, we just don't worry about hurting them at all.
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Anyone going to continue to defend our idiot of a manager?
That will come later, along with accusations of hysteria and bed-wetting.
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Anyone going to continue to defend our idiot of a manager?
TAnyone going to continue to defend our idiot of a manager?
That will come later, along with accusations of hysteria and bed-wetting.
Along with Secret Squirrel "I know something you don't" type posts.
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Bennett, when he came on, had 16 touches of the ball and managed a pass completion rate of ...... 33%
Surely, I would have thought there are several more intelligent breeds of dog we could have brought on rather than him, who would have got a higher pass completion rating.
I'm thinking something like a Border Collie, for example?
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I will not be renewing my season ticket next season. This game has sealed it for me not to renew.
If you bottle it that easily, you may as well go now.
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Anyone going to continue to defend our idiot of a manager?
TAnyone going to continue to defend our idiot of a manager?
That will come later, along with accusations of hysteria and bed-wetting.
And let's not forget that other H&V buzzword, 'hyperbole'.
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A Golden Retriever.
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Anyone going to continue to defend our idiot of a manager?
TAnyone going to continue to defend our idiot of a manager?
That will come later, along with accusations of hysteria and bed-wetting.
And let's not forget that other H&V buzzword, 'hyperbole'.
I've told you a million times, do not exaggerate!
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Anyone going to continue to defend our idiot of a manager?
TAnyone going to continue to defend our idiot of a manager?
That will come later, along with accusations of hysteria and bed-wetting.
And let's not forget that other H&V buzzword, 'hyperbole'.
I've told you a million times, do not exaggerate!
Wake up and smell the coffee Paulie, it was millions of times!!!!!!!!
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I nearly kicked the telly in when I saw Bennett coming on. He really is an utter waste of space.
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I hope there's no truth to this:
Matt @villamatt1874 5m
Looks like there "might" have been an altercation between the players in the tunnel at FT. #AVFC
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Even ex villa heroes are noticing it -
@nigel_spink: Benteke shocking work rate
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Actually, I thought that Twitter user was the one who works at TalkSport, but it isn't, so probably nonsense. Not that TS is a mark of truth.
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@RonVlaar4: I'm sorry for this result, unnecessary, can't say more now....
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This really is a dreadful era to be a Villa fan. It's easily the worst squad of players since '87. The worst part about it is that there doesn't seem to be any sign of it changing.
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This really is a dreadful era to be a Villa fan. It's easily the worst squad of players since '87. The worst part about it is that there doesn't seem to be any sign of it changing.
I don't think that's even the worst bit.
I can't believe that we've started to talk to him about a new contract. What kind of message does that send, at this point of time? That we're not just satisfied with this level of shitness, we're actually happy with it?
That says it all.
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If this was an Ellis charge there would be shouts for blood on the streets, Randy not a clue, Lambert if you only had as much a clue as Randy, when have we accepted crap at Villa Park as not only the norm but the acceptable, we do not want to be creditable now, we just want to be here. Please Randy do one of two things for the benefit of the tatoo on your leg, make us count or go and take Mr. Lambert and Benteke with you, one on the pitch totally unacceptable and the other one of the pitch without a clue.
Yes. Also Mr.Ellis was there but Lerner? No chance.
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The only positive I can think of is that football can change in a split second.
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Norwich has become a massive match now. Which is shit.
We'll beat them.
What evidence do you base this on Tom?
It looks like we are approaching high tide and the happy clappers are being washed in.
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Paul Lambert on Tyneside defeat.
Paul Lambert said his team deserved a draw after watching them concede a last-minute goal to Newcastle.
Lambert felt one point would have been fair reward for the efforts of his side, who dominated the first half on Tyneside.
He accepted that the Geordies came back strong after the break but insisted it was an even game overall.
What annoyed the boss most of all was the fact the late sickener came as a result of a defensive error from his own side.
He said: "It's a hard one to take, very much so.
"I thought we deserved a draw. I don't think we deserved to lose it. I thought a draw would probably have been fair.
"We were great in the first half. We had chance after chance and looked threatening.
"At the end I didn't think anyone was going to score.
"Newcastle had a bit of pressure in the second half but I didn't think there was much in it.
"I thought we dominated the first half. We were very good in the first half and looked a threat.
"We might have scored but it never materialised.
"It was a defensive error from ourselves and we have been punished. You don't lose a goal with 30 seconds to go. The disappointing thing is that we had the ball.
"Defensively we should have knocked it up the pitch and then the game is finished. You kick the ball as far as you can up the pitch.
"We got away with it when Ron tried to beat the lad on the line. That happens and then you think it's going to be like that.
"You can't take anything away from the lad after the finish but we should have seen the game through.
"It's a right hard place to play and you can't take a chance. We took too many chances."
Lambert is still confident with 11 games remaining.
He continued: "If you look at the league from 10th down, everyone is in it.
"There are a lot of games to go. There will be plenty of toing and froing. It will be a low tally with the way the league is. But if we keep looking after ourselves we will be alright. We have been through it so we know what it's like.
"They had belief to come and play like that up here. You take a lot from that. If we keep playing like that, we will win more than that. You go and try to win the next one."
Lambert revealed that Ashley Westwood was withdrawn in the second half with a deadleg while Ryan Bertrand did well to play as long as he did, as he had a virus in the run-up to the game.
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Without being brilliant we were the better team until Westwood went off, even then they weren't really hurting us. The problem is that Benteke is a shadow of the player he was last season so too often it petered out on the edge of the box. Typical of us this season to concede a soft goal at the death.
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I hope there's no truth to this:
Matt @villamatt1874 5m
Looks like there "might" have been an altercation between the players in the tunnel at FT. #AVFC
Not such a bad thing. Prefer them to be having a go at each other than just accepting this shite
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Without being brilliant we were the better team until Westwood went off, even then they weren't really hurting us. The problem is that Benteke is a shadow of the player he was last season so too often it petered out on the edge of the box. Typical of us this season to concede a soft goal at the death.
The problem is benteke, Weimann, gabby , Lowton, sylla, are all shadows of what they were last season and we are carrying too many passengers.
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So Mr Lambert could'nt see a goal coming for either side. I find that amazing as most of us knew it would happen ,we are pretty good at conceding goals in stoppage time
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I nearly kicked the telly in when I saw Bennett coming on. He really is an utter waste of space.
Spends more time on his hair than his passing
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I hope there's no truth to this:
Matt @villamatt1874 5m
Looks like there "might" have been an altercation between the players in the tunnel at FT. #AVFC
Not such a bad thing. Prefer them to be having a go at each other than just accepting this shite
I wonder if Vlaar is referring to this when he says he can't say anything more at the moment.
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So 1 point from West Ham, Cardiff and Newcastle and no goals. It's hardly inspiring stuff and we are 100% certainly in a relegation battle again. Pathetic.
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It's not all bad. I watched the match with a Newcastle mate of mine who was desperately worried where their next three points were coming from. I did my best to allay his fears, assuring him that despite any worrying bluff and bluster we'd eventually be the instigators of our own downfall and I was right. Yay me! He was well chuffed.
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Today is the day I've gone from feeling we're safe and better than at least 3 sides, to thinking we're in the dog fight. It's a worry.
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Norwich has become a massive match now. Which is shit.
We'll beat them.
What evidence do you base this on Tom?
It looks like we are approaching high tide and the happy clappers are being washed in.
Yawn. So if I say I do t think we're doomed, things might turn round and I don't think we should sack the manager I'm dismissed as a 'happy-clapper,' but if I disagree with you it means I will use buzzwords, say you're hysterical etc? I have done none of the above - we're allowed different opinions.
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The only positive I can think of is that football can change in a split second.
Yup, we'll be down before you know it.
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That's madness - why the hell is he involved in 21 aeriel duels? That's way too many.
That's why I thought but WhoScored say 21.
It could be a mistake on their part, I guess.
I was more alarmed at the large number than sceptical of it. You expect him to get involved in a few whatever the game, in defensive situations and the odd one at their end for whatever reason, but 21 won? Out of how many? It's shocking.
Wasn't sure if you meant that originally, but yeah, I don't think any of us want to see Benteke winning 21 headers in a game. Unless they're goals, of course!!!
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Norwich deservedly beating spurs to make things worse.
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Lambert lacked courage today.
It was obvious - even with my dodgy internet connection - that Benteke was not 'on it'. He was outshone in the air and was sluggish on the ground even when the ball was at his feet; and he offered no movement and did little closing down.
A brave manager would have subbed him and pushed Gabby on centrally. With Albie on alongside Gabby and Weimann - both of whom at least showed some desire to chase and close down - I think we might have got something from an otherwise inept attacking display.
However, once the initial balance in midfield changed, you know that a team bringing on Sylla and Bennett as subbs is going to struggle.
The quality just ain't there.
The irony is that Baker and Vlaar had actually had a reasonable game; just some madness in the final 10 minutes.
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Anyone going to continue to defend our idiot of a manager?
TAnyone going to continue to defend our idiot of a manager?
That will come later, along with accusations of hysteria and bed-wetting.
Along with Secret Squirrel "I know something you don't" type posts.
You won't be getting any more of those from me. Look at any ITK on here. Most of it is slagged off anyway.
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I will not be renewing my season ticket next season. This game has sealed it for me not to renew.
If you bottle it that easily, you may as well go now.
Bottling it easy after three years of misery? Be fair!
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Anyone going to continue to defend our idiot of a manager?
TAnyone going to continue to defend our idiot of a manager?
That will come later, along with accusations of hysteria and bed-wetting.
Along with Secret Squirrel "I know something you don't" type posts.
You won't be getting any more of those from me. Look at any ITK on here. Most of it is slagged off anyway.
So we won't be getting any more cryptic posts that hint at ITK but actually say nothing? Phew ;)
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Im Cardiff and Newcastle we've played two sides who had zero confidence on the back of several bad results and yet we failed to score in either. Dreadful and lambert should go.
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Anyone going to continue to defend our idiot of a manager?
TAnyone going to continue to defend our idiot of a manager?
That will come later, along with accusations of hysteria and bed-wetting.
Along with Secret Squirrel "I know something you don't" type posts.
You won't be getting any more of those from me. Look at any ITK on here. Most of it is slagged off anyway.
So we won't be getting any more cryptic posts that hint at ITK but actually say nothing? Phew ;)
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Back in the day when I woke up on the day of a Villa game the day became somehow special. Win lose or draw the game would be the highlight of the day. This morning, just like it has been for the last four years the knowledge when I woke up that I had to endure more pain of the kind that game has just inflicted on us makes Villa match days horrible and dreadful days.
I just want something, anything about the Villa to lift my spirits yet the whole club from top to bottom from owner to board to manager to managers staff to players - all the lot of them - seem totally unwilling to light the smallest spark to lighten the gloom.
They are squeezing the very last drop of my love of football and my love of the Villa out of me with days like today.
If I sprayed this sentiment on the eyeballs of anybody at Villa Park it would be dismissed as the moaning of a miserable old git. Give him a flag to shut him up.
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I had V + 'd the match as was at my daughters birthday party so just finished watching. The sad thing was my eldest daughter had told us it wasn't a draw so it was horrendous sitting here knowing that Newcastle were going to score a last minute winner. What is it with our injuries ? Westwood was the best player by far and he goes off injured Why didn't he bring Marc on to run at them a bit. I think Lambert was playing for a draw. He's no better if not worse than Mcleish.
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Good post Brian,you say exactly what i feel
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Im Cardiff and Newcastle we've played two sides who had zero confidence on the back of several bad results and yet we failed to score in either. Dreadful and lambert should go.
To be replaced by who? And please bear in mind the recruiters and their abject knwledge of football.
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Back in the day when I woke up on the day of a Villa game the day became somehow special. Win lose or draw the game would be the highlight of the day. This morning, just like it has been for the last four years the knowledge when I woke up that I had to endure more pain of the kind that game has just inflicted on us makes Villa match days horrible and dreadful days.
I just want something, anything about the Villa to lift my spirits yet the whole club from top to bottom from owner to board to manager to managers staff to players - all the lot of them - seem totally unwilling to light the smallest spark to lighten the gloom.
They are squeezing the very last drop of my love of football and my love of the Villa out of me with days like today.
If I sprayed this sentiment on the eyeballs of anybody at Villa Park it would be dismissed as the moaning of a miserable old git. Give him a flag to shut him up.
same here, it really is depressing. I don't understand how a team can be so bloody pathetic. Where is the fight?
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Back in the day when I woke up on the day of a Villa game the day became somehow special. Win lose or draw the game would be the highlight of the day. This morning, just like it has been for the last four years the knowledge when I woke up that I had to endure more pain of the kind that game has just inflicted on us makes Villa match days horrible and dreadful days.
I just want something, anything about the Villa to lift my spirits yet the whole club from top to bottom from owner to board to manager to managers staff to players - all the lot of them - seem totally unwilling to light the smallest spark to lighten the gloom.
They are squeezing the very last drop of my love of football and my love of the Villa out of me with days like today.
If I sprayed this sentiment on the eyeballs of anybody at Villa Park it would be dismissed as the moaning of a miserable old git. Give him a flag to shut him up.
No, you are spot on. Im younger than you and feel the same.
My wife asked me this morning whether i was looking forward to the game. My response was no as it would ruin the rest of the weekend. I was correct.
Watching some of the 70s football on the memories thread only adds to my apathy.
Rooneys latest contract also makes me wonder just how much shitter modern day footy will get
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Back in the day when I woke up on the day of a Villa game the day became somehow special. Win lose or draw the game would be the highlight of the day. This morning, just like it has been for the last four years the knowledge when I woke up that I had to endure more pain of the kind that game has just inflicted on us makes Villa match days horrible and dreadful days.
I just want something, anything about the Villa to lift my spirits yet the whole club from top to bottom from owner to board to manager to managers staff to players - all the lot of them - seem totally unwilling to light the smallest spark to lighten the gloom.
They are squeezing the very last drop of my love of football and my love of the Villa out of me with days like today.
If I sprayed this sentiment on the eyeballs of anybody at Villa Park it would be dismissed as the moaning of a miserable old git. Give him a flag to shut him up.
Hear hear Brian, couldn't say it any better than that. Can we pay for a full page Ad with that written on it??
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Norwich has become a massive match now. Which is shit.
We'll beat them.
What evidence do you base this on Tom?
It looks like we are approaching high tide and the happy clappers are being washed in.
Yawn. So if I say I do t think we're doomed, things might turn round and I don't think we should sack the manager I'm dismissed as a 'happy-clapper,' but if I disagree with you it means I will use buzzwords, say you're hysterical etc? I have done none of the above - we're allowed different opinions.
The buzzwords come much later usually but I don't think there are many sticking up for Lambert now so we should not see too much of that.
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See that's it Brian, there's no enjoyment anymore. Every time Villa turn out now I expect to be embarrassed and I frequently am, following the team isn't a pleasure it's a real chore.
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Didn't go today, wished I had though. You perhaps have to experience the games to understand the level of incompetence surrounding the club. It's not just on the pitch, although that is the most important of course, it's off the pitch as well with the two tier pricing system for its most loyal supporters, the away fans.
Anyway safe journey home to those on the way back.
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Im Cardiff and Newcastle we've played two sides who had zero confidence on the back of several bad results and yet we failed to score in either. Dreadful and lambert should go.
To be replaced by who? And please bear in mind the recruiters and their abject knwledge of football.
I have no idea, but that's not my job. What I will say is that there are not many who could get us playing worse football or worse results.
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Is that 2 wins in 13? Very lucky wins as well. Says it all.
Get used to this garbage as nothing is going to change with Lambo in charge and those clowns on the field. I think we'll survive, just, but its just a downward spiral at the Villa, and can't see how Lambo could turn it around even with significant funds in the summer.
Can't be that bad?
2 wins out of 14 including Sheff Utd. Is this what stability brings?
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Im Cardiff and Newcastle we've played two sides who had zero confidence on the back of several bad results and yet we failed to score in either. Dreadful and lambert should go.
To be replaced by who? And please bear in mind the recruiters and their abject knwledge of football.
Michael Laudrup. Easy. Swansea are lunatics sacking him.
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2 wins out of 14 games is absolutely dreadful, so is scoring 0 goals in our last 3 games.
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Back in the day when I woke up on the day of a Villa game the day became somehow special. Win lose or draw the game would be the highlight of the day. This morning, just like it has been for the last four years the knowledge when I woke up that I had to endure more pain of the kind that game has just inflicted on us makes Villa match days horrible and dreadful days.
I just want something, anything about the Villa to lift my spirits yet the whole club from top to bottom from owner to board to manager to managers staff to players - all the lot of them - seem totally unwilling to light the smallest spark to lighten the gloom.
They are squeezing the very last drop of my love of football and my love of the Villa out of me with days like today.
If I sprayed this sentiment on the eyeballs of anybody at Villa Park it would be dismissed as the moaning of a miserable old git. Give him a flag to shut him up.
same here, it really is depressing. I don't understand how a team can be so bloody pathetic. Where is the fight?
Me too. I no longer watch our away games even if they're on TV and I'm counting down the games on my season ticket before I can escape. We are so predictably shit and watching us is such a joyless experience, what is the point?
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Are the clowns who run our club up to the job of sacking a poor manager and employing a new one?
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Are the clowns who run our club up to the job of sacking a poor manager and employing a new one?
Like I said that's not a reason to keep Lambert though. At the end of the day you don't keep a bad manager, because you're scared of who to employ next. Whoever it is would struggle to do worse than Lambert is currently.
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On the subject of Albrighton. Since he's come back he's been consistently one of our better players when he's played, whether coming on for 10 minutes or in rare starts. After last week he deserved to start. Lambert praised him as he has anytime Albrighton has come on and injected some sort of urgency and end product.
But he never gives the boy a run in the side. Certain players can play over and over again, guffing out mediocrity. Again though it boils down to nothing more than Lamberts narrow minded view on how we should play, and when I say narrow, I mean narrow. Since day one he said he didn't like wingers. He's stayed true to it. He acknowledges that Albrighton comes on and makes a difference. That Albrighton is a good player. Still, though, he can't fit a winger into his sides. This makes the Tonev signing even more bewildering.
Lamberts decision making is consistently fucking atrocious.
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Are the clowns who run our club up to the job of sacking a poor manager and employing a new one?
No next question
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As much as I detested Doug Ellis, he would not have put up with this crap.
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Are the clowns who run our club up to the job of sacking a poor manager and employing a new one?
No.
However we are really awful to watch right now. Playing ugly and not getting results is a bad combo.
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Villa ruin my day every time they play. I look forward to the summer because then I won't have to watch them.
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This really is a dreadful era to be a Villa fan. It's easily the worst squad of players since '87. The worst part about it is that there doesn't seem to be any sign of it changing.
Agreed. I've got two young boys; 5 and 3. How am I supposed to get them excited about this shower?
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We have very ominous signs at the moment. We are now losing our away games, and not winning at home. Oh shit!!
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This really is a dreadful era to be a Villa fan. It's easily the worst squad of players since '87. The worst part about it is that there doesn't seem to be any sign of it changing.
Agreed. I've got two young boys; 5 and 3. How am I supposed to get them excited about this shower?
Tell them if they dont eat their veggies they will end up having to go see the bad men at Villa Park.
;D
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This really is a dreadful era to be a Villa fan. It's easily the worst squad of players since '87. The worst part about it is that there doesn't seem to be any sign of it changing.
Agreed. I've got two young boys; 5 and 3. How am I supposed to get them excited about this shower?
Think back 19 years ago. We came very close to getting relegated, but bloody hell we had plenty of entertainment to go with it.
This is just awful and the quality of the squad is woeful.
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On the subject of Albrighton. Since he's come back he's been consistently one of our better players when he's played, whether coming on for 10 minutes or in rare starts. After last week he deserved to start. Lambert praised him as he has anytime Albrighton has come on and injected some sort of urgency and end product.
But he never gives the boy a run in the side. Certain players can play over and over again, guffing out mediocrity. Again though it boils down to nothing more than Lamberts narrow minded view on how we should play, and when I say narrow, I mean narrow. Since day one he said he didn't like wingers. He's stayed true to it. He acknowledges that Albrighton comes on and makes a difference. That Albrighton is a good player. Still, though, he can't fit a winger into his sides. This makes the Tonev signing even more bewildering.
Lamberts decision making is consistently fucking atrocious.
Yep, he has been our best player when played, If I was him I would be looking to get out, there are better teams than Villa that would find a use for Albrighton.
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When we last got relegated we sang "down with the Villa, we're going down with the Villa" and we meant it and I sang it and was proud of the Villa fans in those days. Do today's players deserve that level of heroic support? Never in a million years. I would sooner have root canal work at the dentist than watch KEA.
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Is it me or do the media seem to be exclusively talking about how much Newcastle needed to win this match and ignoring how much it would cost Villa to lose it?
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Back in the day when I woke up on the day of a Villa game the day became somehow special. Win lose or draw the game would be the highlight of the day. This morning, just like it has been for the last four years the knowledge when I woke up that I had to endure more pain of the kind that game has just inflicted on us makes Villa match days horrible and dreadful days.
I just want something, anything about the Villa to lift my spirits yet the whole club from top to bottom from owner to board to manager to managers staff to players - all the lot of them - seem totally unwilling to light the smallest spark to lighten the gloom.
They are squeezing the very last drop of my love of football and my love of the Villa out of me with days like today.
If I sprayed this sentiment on the eyeballs of anybody at Villa Park it would be dismissed as the moaning of a miserable old git. Give him a flag to shut him up.
Brian that post sums up how I feel as well, I was invited round to my brother in laws to watch the game, I didnt want to go which says it all but went as he lives on his own and didnt want to turn him down, I then sat through the match waiting for the inevitable to happen, match days hold nothing for me but fear of more misery, I love the Villa but the last few years have been very draining and yet again we will be very close to the drop, sigh.
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This is the worst squad of players I have seen at Villa. Vlaar and Benteke apart, Gabby because he's one of us, the rest of them, I would allow to leave the club in a heart beat. Lambert has bought championship level players with the money he has spent. Strangely enough, that's where he might take us!!
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Is it me or do the media seem to be exclusively talking about how much Newcastle needed to win this match and ignoring how much it would cost Villa to lose it?
I noticed that as well. To be fair to them Newcastle are far more interesting to talk about these days.
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And to think that today was one if his better performances. Poor KEA.
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We're so shit to watch even I as a Villa fan am struggling to want us to stay in the top flight. I look at the bench and see Grant Holt as one of the options to bring on to beat a shit struggling newcastle side and can do nothing except stare in bewilderment as to how we've come to this.
And all we have to guide us out of this is a mumbling tactically clueless manager, a corporate bullshitter and an absentee owner who seemingly has no idea what to do except carry on stagnating. Awesome. I don't remember ever being this depressed about Villa.
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Westwood was utter shit today. What the hell has happened to him? Sylla was no better either. Why the hell did Lambert spend silly money on Kozak when we were desperate for a proper midfielder? He now reaps what he sows.
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Back in the day when I woke up on the day of a Villa game the day became somehow special. Win lose or draw the game would be the highlight of the day. This morning, just like it has been for the last four years the knowledge when I woke up that I had to endure more pain of the kind that game has just inflicted on us makes Villa match days horrible and dreadful days.
I just want something, anything about the Villa to lift my spirits yet the whole club from top to bottom from owner to board to manager to managers staff to players - all the lot of them - seem totally unwilling to light the smallest spark to lighten the gloom.
They are squeezing the very last drop of my love of football and my love of the Villa out of me with days like today.
If I sprayed this sentiment on the eyeballs of anybody at Villa Park it would be dismissed as the moaning of a miserable old git. Give him a flag to shut him up.
spot on Brian .........can you get me a flag
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Westwood was utter shit today. What the hell has happened to him? Sylla was no better either. Why the hell did Lambert spend silly money on Kozak when we were desperate for a proper midfielder? He now reaps what he sows.
Westwood was our best player today in my opinion, and he won the man of the match award on sky even though he only played an hour or so.
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Pish.
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We're so shit to watch even I as a Villa fan am struggling to want us to stay in the top flight. I look at the bench and see Grant Holt as one of the options to bring on to beat a shit struggling newcastle side and can do nothing except stare in bewilderment as to how we've come to this.
And all we have to guide us out of this is a mumbling tactically clueless manager, a corporate bullshitter and an absentee owner who seemingly has no idea what to do except carry on stagnating. Awesome. I don't remember ever being this depressed about Villa.
Good post Mazrim. Absolutely correct.
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Westwood was hardly utter shit today.
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When the time comes for season ticket renewals; irrespective of what happens over the next 3 months; I suspect the message from supporters will come loud and clear.
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Anyone going to continue to defend our idiot of a manager?
No. Not anymore. He has had long enough to sort things out. He is out of his depth and just winging it every press conference.
The excuses are just pathetic, the football is even more pathetic and the whole setup is just wrong.
Who would replace Lambert ? I am fucked if i know, but our club needs grabbing by the bollocks and sorting out, quickly, very quickly.
Been at work all day. Fin Feds Dad kept me up to date with the score and his text message said it all to me, enough is enough now.
This is not Aston Villa, it is a shadow of a once great club.
I am fucking disgusted with the way we are going.
I have backed Lambert since he came to us in the vain hope that improvement may be around the corner. Fuck me i was wrong.
This is dreadfull, Olearyesq dreadfull.
I am fucking pissed off.
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When the time comes for season ticket renewals; irrespective of what happens owner the next 3 months; I suspect the message from supporters will come loud and clear.
The damage may already be done by then.
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Westwood was utter shit today. What the hell has happened to him? Sylla was no better either. Why the hell did Lambert spend silly money on Kozak when we were desperate for a proper midfielder? He now reaps what he sows.
Westwood was our best player today in my opinion, and he won the man of the match award on sky even though he only played an hour or so.
Really sorry, I meant to write El Alhmadi/Sylla, not Westwood. Must stop drinking at lunchtime.
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We had a very clear message from the General when they arrived that the most important thing to get right was on the pitch. This is why, whatever horseshit comes out, he wants to sell up.
Please do.
Which is why, however you want to view O'neill - he left
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We're so shit to watch even I as a Villa fan am struggling to want us to stay in the top flight. I look at the bench and see Grant Holt as one of the options to bring on to beat a shit struggling newcastle side and can do nothing except stare in bewilderment as to how we've come to this.
And all we have to guide us out of this is a mumbling tactically clueless manager, a corporate bullshitter and an absentee owner who seemingly has no idea what to do except carry on stagnating. Awesome. I don't remember ever being this depressed about Villa.
Spot on, very worrying.
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Is it me or do the media seem to be exclusively talking about how much Newcastle needed to win this match and ignoring how much it would cost Villa to lose it?
Thought that as well
Especially ex Sunderland Quinn.
Whether newcastle won or not, makes little difference to their season. For us though, every match is massive which is completely lost on the media, most of the time
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Why is it the fans can see the problems at the club but the pig-headed Chairman, Chief Executive and Lambert can't? Crying out for a creative midfielder for 18 months and yet Lambert spends £6.5 M on another striker. Lambert should've gone after the Sheffield United cup defeat.
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Westwood was utter shit today. What the hell has happened to him? Sylla was no better either. Why the hell did Lambert spend silly money on Kozak when we were desperate for a proper midfielder? He now reaps what he sows.
You are in the minority re Westwood. Best player on the pitch together with Baker
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Why is it the fans can see the problems at the club but the pig-headed Chairman, Chief Executive and Lambert can't? Crying out for a creative midfielder for 18 months and yet Lambert spends £6.5 M on another striker. Lambert should've gone after the Sheffield United cup defeat.
He should have been sacked after the 8-0 humiliation at Chelsea. Yet he was allowed to stay and fester at our club. He truly has been a horrible Aston Villa manager.
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Why is it the fans can see the problems at the club but the pig-headed Chairman, Chief Executive and Lambert can't? Crying out for a creative midfielder for 18 months and yet Lambert spends £6.5 M on another striker. Lambert should've gone after the Sheffield United cup defeat.
He should have been sacked after the 8-0 humiliation at Chelsea. Yet he was allowed to stay and fester at our club. He truly has been a horrible Aston Villa manager.
He could have been sacked about three times over since he's been with us.
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Why is it the fans can see the problems at the club but the pig-headed Chairman, Chief Executive and Lambert can't? Crying out for a creative midfielder for 18 months and yet Lambert spends £6.5 M on another striker. Lambert should've gone after the Sheffield United cup defeat.
He should have been sacked after the 8-0 humiliation at Chelsea. Yet he was allowed to stay and fester at our club. He truly has been a horrible Aston Villa manager.
He could have been sacked about three times over since he's been with us.
It's absolutely farcical that he is still in a job. It also spells out to us and the rest of the league that we are a club with no ambition whatsoever.
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I can't think of many reasons not to sack him.
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I can't think of many reasons not to sack him.
That makes 77.9% of us then.
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Why is it the fans can see the problems at the club but the pig-headed Chairman, Chief Executive and Lambert can't? Crying out for a creative midfielder for 18 months and yet Lambert spends £6.5 M on another striker. Lambert should've gone after the Sheffield United cup defeat.
He should have been sacked after the 8-0 humiliation at Chelsea. Yet he was allowed to stay and fester at our club. He truly has been a horrible Aston Villa manager.
He could have been sacked about three times over since he's been with us.
Indeed.
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I have just heard Lambert say yet again he thought we were excellent in the first half . The trouble is i actually think he means it
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2 wins in 14 and entering a March from Hell. He'll still be here in April though. Get used to it and vote with your feet.
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This really is a dreadful era to be a Villa fan. It's easily the worst squad of players since '87. The worst part about it is that there doesn't seem to be any sign of it changing.
Agreed. I've got two young boys; 5 and 3. How am I supposed to get them excited about this shower?
Mine are 7 and 5, we live outside the West Midlands so they are the only Villa fans in their school - they actually get laughed at. Mostly Brighton and Chelsea round here. Other than " my Dad supports them" why would anyone outside the catchment area support the Villa?
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This really is a dreadful era to be a Villa fan. It's easily the worst squad of players since '87. The worst part about it is that there doesn't seem to be any sign of it changing.
Agreed. I've got two young boys; 5 and 3. How am I supposed to get them excited about this shower?
Mine are 7 and 5, we live outside the West Midlands so they are the only Villa fans in their school - they actually get laughed at. Mostly Brighton and Chelsea round here. Other than " my Dad supports them" why would anyone outside the catchment area support the Villa?
At least they will feel like those of us who were going in the late 60s. It makes any future glory taste even sweeter.
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I can't think of many reasons not to sack him.
Except that he's doing what the owner wants. Running a 'Premiership' club on a league 1 budget and pretending no-one has noticed. He's going nowhere any time soon, but I am and it won't be to Villa Park.
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This really is a dreadful era to be a Villa fan. It's easily the worst squad of players since '87. The worst part about it is that there doesn't seem to be any sign of it changing.
Agreed. I've got two young boys; 5 and 3. How am I supposed to get them excited about this shower?
Mine are 7 and 5, we live outside the West Midlands so they are the only Villa fans in their school - they actually get laughed at. Mostly Brighton and Chelsea round here. Other than " my Dad supports them" why would anyone outside the catchment area support the Villa?
And anyone in the catchment!? I live in hope this nightmare will end in 12 months when the eldest will be old enough to care.
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We're so shit to watch even I as a Villa fan am struggling to want us to stay in the top flight. I look at the bench and see Grant Holt as one of the options to bring on to beat a shit struggling newcastle side and can do nothing except stare in bewilderment as to how we've come to this.
And all we have to guide us out of this is a mumbling tactically clueless manager, a corporate bullshitter and an absentee owner who seemingly has no idea what to do except carry on stagnating. Awesome. I don't remember ever being this depressed about Villa.
Spot on, very worrying.
Bang on how I feel too.
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Just contrasting the levels of performance, Guzan, Vlaar Baker Delph and Westwood all had really good games. Bertrand was Ok.
The rest were just varying grades of awful.
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We're so shit to watch even I as a Villa fan am struggling to want us to stay in the top flight. I look at the bench and see Grant Holt as one of the options to bring on to beat a shit struggling newcastle side and can do nothing except stare in bewilderment as to how we've come to this.
And all we have to guide us out of this is a mumbling tactically clueless manager, a corporate bullshitter and an absentee owner who seemingly has no idea what to do except carry on stagnating. Awesome. I don't remember ever being this depressed about Villa.
Spot on, very worrying.
Bang on how I feel too.
Me too.
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don't know what everyones moaning about,
at least it keeps the remaining games exciting other than a load of dead rubbers
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:)
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Exciting is hardly a word I would associate with us at the moment.
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But the word shocking is.
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Boring.
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We did okay first half but need to score when we are in the ascendancy. It never really looked likely. Benteke seems afraid to shoot or take anyone on these days, he needs to buy a ticket to win the prize. Westwood and KEA did well first half but our midfield seemed to disappear after the break and we pretty much got what we deserved, albeit agonisingly close to a point. But we should be winning against teams as poor as Cardiff and Newcastle, the fact we can't even score against them speaks volumes.
Lerner and Faulkner may well have done the impossible and unearthed a worse manager than McLeish. The scary thing is who they might come up with next, but with their combined football knowledge, it wouldn't surprise me to see the likes of Gary Megson, Bryan robson and Brian Laws on their shortlist.
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We did okay first half but need to score when we are in the ascendancy. It never really looked likely. Benteke seems afraid to shoot or take anyone on these days, he needs to buy a ticket to win the prize. Westwood and KEA did well first half but our midfield seemed to disappear after the break and we pretty much got what we deserved, albeit agonisingly close to a point. But we should be winning against teams as poor as Cardiff and Newcastle, the fact we can't even score against them speaks volumes.
Lerner and Faulkner may well have done the impossible and unearthed a worse manager than McLeish. The scary thing is who they might come up with next, but with their combined football knowledge, it wouldn't surprise me to see the likes of Gary Megson, Bryan robson and Brian Laws on their shortlist.
Please don't let it be true.
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I have got three children who have racked up over 100 years following Villa between them, a brother who has done getting on for that on his own. How do I explain what is going on at Villa to them when their employees and domestic staff point at them and laugh. Damon's butler is the worst.
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I have got three children who have racked up over 100 years following Villa between them, a brother who has done getting on for that on his own. How do I explain what is going on at Villa to them when their employees and domestic staff point at them and laugh. Damon's butler is the worst.
We need Damon to break rank live on air and tell the nation of our torment and bring those responsible to heel.
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The Project is clearly not working Randy,Time to change
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Forget about the management for a bit because I want the players on the pitch to play with a passion and commitment that they actually give a shit about the VILLA, that should be a given but at the moment it isn't and that is NOT acceptable!
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I thought we played well enough in the first half. Second half, we really didn't look like scoring and although their goal was coming from 70 minutes in, a draw would just have about been fair.
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This really is a dreadful era to be a Villa fan. It's easily the worst squad of players since '87. The worst part about it is that there doesn't seem to be any sign of it changing.
Agreed. I've got two young boys; 5 and 3. How am I supposed to get them excited about this shower?
Mine are 7 and 5, we live outside the West Midlands so they are the only Villa fans in their school - they actually get laughed at. Mostly Brighton and Chelsea round here. Other than " my Dad supports them" why would anyone outside the catchment area support the Villa?
I've been told my 10 year old son has very good comebacks whenever his football team are the subject of any mocking. His stock answer is usually 'I remember when you supported Man Utd/Chelsea etc' or 'who do you think you'll be supporting next season?'.
He might not bother to even watch 'highlights' on MOTD even these days but he's still fiercely protective and loyal!
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This really is a dreadful era to be a Villa fan. It's easily the worst squad of players since '87. The worst part about it is that there doesn't seem to be any sign of it changing.
Agreed. I've got two young boys; 5 and 3. How am I supposed to get them excited about this shower?
Mine are 7 and 5, we live outside the West Midlands so they are the only Villa fans in their school - they actually get laughed at. Mostly Brighton and Chelsea round here. Other than " my Dad supports them" why would anyone outside the catchment area support the Villa?
I've been told my 10 year old son has very good comebacks whenever his football team are the subject of any mocking. His stock answer is usually 'I remember when you supported Man Utd/Chelsea etc' or 'who do you think you'll be supporting next season?'.
He might not bother to even watch 'highlights' on MOTD even these days but he's still fiercely protective and loyal!
Fair play to him. I rarely bother with the highlights myself these days.
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Its time for the mumbing, clueless, monosyllbic , tactically devoid,scottish braindead twat to feck off out of Villa Park and take most of the useless wankers hes bought with him. Make no mistake about it, he will take us down this season for sure. Cant win at home or away or score a goal. Lerner and yesman Faulkner can feck off too.
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I thought we played well enough in the first half. Second half, we really didn't look like scoring and although their goal was coming from 70 minutes in, a draw would just have about been fair.
First half yes we were decent enough, but as so many times this season we cannot seem to play a consistent 90 minutes and 2nd half was really poor - newcastle were there for the taking as were Cardiff and we let both off the hook.
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I miss the good times. I miss looking forward to watching match of the day and knowing we would give most teams a game. That we would have spirit, heart and at the least a sprinkling of quality. That the fans would respond to same when they saw a team try regardless of what the score is.
I hate what we have become. Dull, predictable too accepting of defeat, and a bit of a freak show. If we are honest we will know our stock has fallen very low in recent years.
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Its time for the mumbing, clueless, monosyllbic , tactically devoid,scottish braindead twat to feck off out of Villa Park and take most of the useless wankers hes bought with him. Make no mistake about it, he will take us down this season for sure. Cant win at home or away or score a goal. Lerner and yesman Faulkner can feck off too.
Why do you have to mention that he is Scottish in such derogatory tones?
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What's particularly depressing is that Newcastle were very poor overall yet I don't recall us having a shot on target in the second half. We have some huge home games coming up and I have absolutely no confidence we can get even draws out of them. It's sad that we can only hope there are marginally worse teams still below us.
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I miss the good times. I miss looking forward to watching match of the day and knowing we would give most teams a game. That we would have spirit, heart and at the least a sprinkling of quality. That the fans would respond to same when they saw a team try regardless of what the score is.
I hate what we have become. Dull, predictable too accepting of defeat, and a bit of a freak show. If we are honest we will know our stock has fallen very low in recent years.
They may destroy our club but they will never take our memories from us !
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Villa's next three games are on the telly. We very rarely seem to win when we're on the telly. Hopefully we can break a couple of records next week against Norwich. Win at home, win at all!!
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Villa's next three games are on the telly. We very rarely seem to win when we're on the telly. Hopefully we can break a couple of records next week against Norwich. Win at home, win at all!!
Next 4 - Norwich , Chelsea, Man U and stoke all live on tv.
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Joy.
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first half we hussled very well, but the second half you cannot sustain that without decent possession
why do we not try and keep the ball better and make so many daft footballing decisions ?????
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Forget about the management for a bit because I want the players on the pitch to play with a passion and commitment that they actually give a shit about the VILLA, that should be a given but at the moment it isn't and that is NOT acceptable!
This.
I went to Cardiff and watched on TV today. In both games we had spells when we should have scored and put pressure on the home teams who both lacked confidence. We could/should/would have gone on to win both theses games.
What is most worrying is we didn't/couldn't/where not good enough to win.
5pts given away - would have put us in top half - in sight of teams above. Now we are only 4 pts above the drop zone. Odd flashes of hope in the last 2 games have been squashed by inadequate performances and a lack of cohesion - what did they do in Portugal? Play golf? Visit local brothels? Probably couldn't score there either!
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just got back,we bossed the last 35 of 1st half, and my 5 year old said..."well we wont win now cause we will be rubbish in the 2nd". We all knew it. Benteke couldn't be arsed and the front 3 wasted so many very promising situations. They were there for the taking today...they in periods are worse than us! Very disappointed, opportunity missed and back into high pressure games...just hope we pull it around like last season
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Its depressing that whatever we think.whatever we suggest, and whatever the players on the pitch do, absolutely nothing will change at the club... whatsoever!. That is unless the season ticket holders vote with their finances and pull out at the end of this season.
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Just got in. A very cruel way to lose, but ultimately all our own fault. Shocking ball retention, brainless passing and puzzling tactical changes, putting it mildly. We are without doubt entering the most crucial part of the season in the worst form possible and it's not going to be pretty. Let's hope that our esteemed manager can drag the required results out of the bag to keep us safe. Personally, I'm not sure he can.
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Just got in. A very cruel way to lose, but ultimately all our own fault. Shocking ball retention, brainless passing and puzzling tactical changes, putting it mildly. We are without doubt entering the most crucial part of the season in the worst form possible and it's not going to be pretty. Let's hope that our esteemed manager can drag the required results out of the bag to keep us safe. Personally, I'm not sure he can.
Fair play for going up there. Yes, It was a cruel way to lose but you could half see it coming.
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It's the absence of ball retention; the inability to impose ourselves on the game; the sense that our attacking effort will wither; the inevitability of the late concession.
Supporting a football team is almost-always an exercise in hope over expectation: supporting Villa at this time in the club's history is an exercise in futility and nihilism.
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Villa's next three games are on the telly. We very rarely seem to win when we're on the telly. Hopefully we can break a couple of records next week against Norwich. Win at home, win at all!!
Next 4 - Norwich , Chelsea, Man U and stoke all live on tv.
Every game is on telly
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Just got back as most of my family are from the Washington are of Newcastle stopped and had a drink with them and they could not believed that they had seen a team worse than them and to be honest they were shocking and won I am gutted we seem to be going bad to worse what do we do !!!!!!!
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It's the predictability of it all that makes it all the more depressing.
Totally fed up with this shit now.
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This really is a dreadful era to be a Villa fan. It's easily the worst squad of players since '87. The worst part about it is that there doesn't seem to be any sign of it changing.
Agreed. I've got two young boys; 5 and 3. How am I supposed to get them excited about this shower?
Mine are 7 and 5, we live outside the West Midlands so they are the only Villa fans in their school - they actually get laughed at. Mostly Brighton and Chelsea round here. Other than " my Dad supports them" why would anyone outside the catchment area support the Villa?
I've been told my 10 year old son has very good comebacks whenever his football team are the subject of any mocking. His stock answer is usually 'I remember when you supported Man Utd/Chelsea etc' or 'who do you think you'll be supporting next season?'.
He might not bother to even watch 'highlights' on MOTD even these days but he's still fiercely protective and loyal!
I cannot think why I would take my 3 year old an hour and a half each way and pay a fortune to watch a team of grossly overpaid nobodies lose every week. What name would I put on the back of his shirt? Vlaar, the man who's never fit or Benteke who won't be here? Certainly won't be Young, Barry, Milner level players again.
Next season it'll be Hereford United, who may be shit but at least they're close to me, cheap and about the same level of players.
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It's funny that you can watch the same game as other people and come out of it with completely different views. You see things that other people do not see and they see things that you do not see. The only conclusion I can come to is that at times you see what you want to see and ignore what you do not want to see.
I have followed football for many years. In past years I would watch whatever match was on the TV and enjoy it. Today, I generally only watch Villa, because it is Villa. I am fed up with the whole football thing. Money has killed the game in England as a competitive sport for those other than the top 6. All of the money that is coming into the game is either going into players' pockets or going overseas to pay for this never ending stream of foreign players. Football in England is slowly strangling itself to death. Where is the money that used to flow down the leagues so that they could develop players that they could sell on. How many players can you name in the top 6 that have been bought from lower league teams. For that matter, how many from teams lower in the PL.
We do not have the financial power to compete at the top and I cannot criticise Lerner for not throwing vast amounts of money at a minimal chance. However, I can criticise him for not making sufficient available to improve the team in the last 2 years so that we can at least show some progress. If he cannot even afford that, he should look to find a buyer and get out as it will only get worse for him.
Back to the game today and comments I have read. I thought we played the better in the first half and could have gone in ahead. We should have stepped it up after halftime as it was clear that Newcastle would come out stronger than they were in the first half. It was clear that Westwood was injured as he signalled over to the bench that he was struggling. I am not a big fan of KEA but thought he had a reasonable game, especially first half.
Somebody earlier best summed it up for me, we have no winners in the side. There was no desire to give everything to the point of coming off the pitch having given everything. Although there were others, I would pick out Gabby as the worst culprit of this. If he has the ball in space he can look brilliant but without the ball, he just stands there. He will not look to create space for the pass, he half-heartedly tries to close players down. He looks flat-footed in the box when the ball comes in. His seemingly couldn't care less attitude as seen in his laughing and joking during the game after one miss after another. I could go on and on. He is one of the senior players in the side and is quickly becoming a luxury we cannot afford. He is becoming the epitome of the modern player, over paid and under performing.
I am not sure where we go from here. I do believe that this is not the right time to get rid of the manager. Without money to spend, managers are not going to put their reputation on the line. You are then into the has-beens or the untried and untested. It is easy to sit on the side lines and say we should do this or that without taking everything into consideration. There are some posters on here that study the game, others that make fair comment but there are others that are so over the top that they are starting to make me consider not coming on here. As I said at the beginning, people see the game differently and I may be better off (and certainly for my sanity) sticking in my own world and leave others to theirs.
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I thought our centre backs dealt well with everything that was thrown at them for 90 mins today.
Stupid 3 minutes added time.
I fear where we will be in a few weeks time....and how difficult we may find it to get out of the poop.
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Just got back after a tedious train journey up there yesterday and a tedious one back today (there was a bit of excitement when the police got on at Sheffield to speak to a very odious man who kept gate crashing 1st class , had a row with the train manager and saying the most vulgar things. All this with three kids in tow).
However, the football was even more tedious, especially in the second half. It's simply not good enough.
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On Benteke: He seems to have lost the desire to score. One could speculate that he believes his own hype and has come to the conclusion that he is entitled to score and its just the others job to set him up, regardless if he worked himself into a position to strike or not. Or someone close to him have influenced think along these lines. Cant forget that he, like many young soccer stars, are still big children with limited life experience and perspective on their careers. As such they often deceived by agents, managers, coaches, friends, family, girlfriends and wives with ulterior motives. Not surprisingly big sport stars often declare bankruptcy or have even bigger adversities later in life. Bentekes transfer request last summer , the performances this season where he been a pale shadow of his former self and the communicational behaviour on the pitch all indicates that his self-image is distorted. The problem is rubbing off on Villas performances. He still good in the air when the ball aimed right at him (guess he can win those with minimal effort), but on the ground his touch is abysmal, pace have dropped and I cant remember when he got past ANYONE with the ball at his feet. He looks lazy and uninterested. The only game since he returned from "rehab" in Holland where he moved throughout the game was the one played in a freezing blizzard (West Brom was it??). Guess he had to move to keep warm. There also seems to be an issue between him and Weimann. Weimann will never put in Benteke if he can help it. He rather pass another player or make finish himself. Every time it happens it seems to infuriate Benteke further yet Lambert keeps playing those two up front every time if available. Why?
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yes its all bentekes fault
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Im Cardiff and Newcastle we've played two sides who had zero confidence on the back of several bad results and yet we failed to score in either. Dreadful and lambert should go.
To be replaced by who? And please bear in mind the recruiters and their abject knwledge of football.
I have no idea, but that's not my job. What I will say is that there are not many who could get us playing worse football or worse results.
I think there are many who could do worse on both counts. Far too many who are also rated beyond their abilities.
I'd rather you choose the successor than those who will. And I am being serious compared to Lerner and Faulkner.
I am willing to listen to alternatives.
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Im Cardiff and Newcastle we've played two sides who had zero confidence on the back of several bad results and yet we failed to score in either. Dreadful and lambert should go.
To be replaced by who? And please bear in mind the recruiters and their abject knwledge of football.
I have no idea, but that's not my job. What I will say is that there are not many who could get us playing worse football or worse results.
I think there are many who could do worse on both counts. Far too many who are also rated beyond their abilities.
I'd rather you choose the successor than those who will. And I am being serious compared to Lerner and Faulkner.
I am willing to listen to alternatives.
Ronald koeman an experienced manager at European level and has expressed a desire to manage in the premier league next season , feyenoord contract expires in June.
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Are the clowns who run our club up to the job of sacking a poor manager and employing a new one?
Like I said that's not a reason to keep Lambert though. At the end of the day you don't keep a bad manager, because you're scared of who to employ next. Whoever it is would struggle to do worse than Lambert is currently.
PWA I give you Billy McNeill. He was the worst manager in our history and bearing in mind the competition and who he succeeded that was some feat.
Faulkwit and Non Lerner couldn't pick their nose let alone another manager.
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Im Cardiff and Newcastle we've played two sides who had zero confidence on the back of several bad results and yet we failed to score in either. Dreadful and lambert should go.
To be replaced by who? And please bear in mind the recruiters and their abject knwledge of football.
I have no idea, but that's not my job. What I will say is that there are not many who could get us playing worse football or worse results.
I think there are many who could do worse on both counts. Far too many who are also rated beyond their abilities.
I'd rather you choose the successor than those who will. And I am being serious compared to Lerner and Faulkner.
I am willing to listen to alternatives.
Ronald koeman an experienced manager at European level and has expressed a desire to manage in the premier league next season , feyenoord contract expires in June.
Eastie - do you honestly believe either Lerner of Faulkner with their complete and utter dearth of footballing knowlege could recruit him? Now? Or in the next couple of weeks / moths if they sacked Lambert?
They couldn't pursuade Martinez or OGS. As I said before they'd likely hire Alan Ball if he wan't dead. After all he was a World Cup winner as he told everyone at every oppotunity.
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Are the clowns who run our club up to the job of sacking a poor manager and employing a new one?
Like I said that's not a reason to keep Lambert though. At the end of the day you don't keep a bad manager, because you're scared of who to employ next. Whoever it is would struggle to do worse than Lambert is currently.
PWA I give you Billy McNeill. He was the worst manager in our history and bearing in mind the competition and who he succeeded that was some feat.
Faulkwit and Non Lerner couldn't pick their nose let alone another manager.
Regardless you'd hope they're actually learning. I don't think the logic behind hiring Lambert was bad, he's just let them down.
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Im Cardiff and Newcastle we've played two sides who had zero confidence on the back of several bad results and yet we failed to score in either. Dreadful and lambert should go.
To be replaced by who? And please bear in mind the recruiters and their abject knwledge of football.
I have no idea, but that's not my job. What I will say is that there are not many who could get us playing worse football or worse results.
I think there are many who could do worse on both counts. Far too many who are also rated beyond their abilities.
I'd rather you choose the successor than those who will. And I am being serious compared to Lerner and Faulkner.
I am willing to listen to alternatives.
Ronald koeman an experienced manager at European level and has expressed a desire to manage in the premier league next season , feyenoord contract expires in June.
No thanks, a quick wiki read if his managerial career shows him making an arse of most of his jobs. Certainly strikes me as someone trading on his reputation as a player.
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Are the clowns who run our club up to the job of sacking a poor manager and employing a new one?
Like I said that's not a reason to keep Lambert though. At the end of the day you don't keep a bad manager, because you're scared of who to employ next. Whoever it is would struggle to do worse than Lambert is currently.
PWA I give you Billy McNeill. He was the worst manager in our history and bearing in mind the competition and who he succeeded that was some feat.
Faulkwit and Non Lerner couldn't pick their nose let alone another manager.
Regardless you'd hope they're actually learning. I don't think the logic behind hiring Lambert was bad, he's just let them down.
If they really are about to give him a new contract, I'm not sure they are learning.
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Just back too.
Thought we looked promising in the first half - some good chances went begging!
Inevitably at this level you pay the price for missed chances , but to play as badly as we did second half, Benteke to play as if he didn't give a shit, and the rest of the team to go through the motions, was inviting them to come on to us. The only time their supporters raised a voice was with 10 minutes to go after Benteke had somehow managed to find a defender when there were two Villa strikers clear on goal.
Their supporters and players responded and upped their game and went for it. We wilted, embarrassingly!
When they hit the post I thought we'd ridden our luck for this game and got the point we deserved.
Then we somehow manage to present them with a perfect chance to nick the game.
Tired and depressed.
Quite a few of the clubs around us are on an upward trend - ours is definitley downward!
I fear the worst this season.
Tired and more depressed.
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Are the clowns who run our club up to the job of sacking a poor manager and employing a new one?
Like I said that's not a reason to keep Lambert though. At the end of the day you don't keep a bad manager, because you're scared of who to employ next. Whoever it is would struggle to do worse than Lambert is currently.
PWA I give you Billy McNeill. He was the worst manager in our history and bearing in mind the competition and who he succeeded that was some feat.
Faulkwit and Non Lerner couldn't pick their nose let alone another manager.
Regardless you'd hope they're actually learning. I don't think the logic behind hiring Lambert was bad, he's just let them down.
If they really are about to give him a new contract, I'm not sure they are learning.
If it happens.
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Are the clowns who run our club up to the job of sacking a poor manager and employing a new one?
Like I said that's not a reason to keep Lambert though. At the end of the day you don't keep a bad manager, because you're scared of who to employ next. Whoever it is would struggle to do worse than Lambert is currently.
PWA I give you Billy McNeill. He was the worst manager in our history and bearing in mind the competition and who he succeeded that was some feat.
Faulkwit and Non Lerner couldn't pick their nose let alone another manager.
Regardless you'd hope they're actually learning. I don't think the logic behind hiring Lambert was bad, he's just let them down.
I don't think they have for one minute Lambert delivering what they want. Even if he gets relegated Faulkner has stated his job is safe. Everything on the pitch has been sliding since Faulkner's elevated positioning. Maybe coincidence.
Do you think they have a succession plan? They clearly didn't in 2010, 2011 and 2012.
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Hats off to all the villa fans that travelled up and down the country today . Heard you load and clear on TV and thank you all for being a credit to the club again today.
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Seconded and congrats on getting through to the next Cup round, silhillvilla!
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Hats off to all the villa fans that travelled up and down the country today . Heard you load and clear on TV and thank you all for being a credit to the club again today.
I was chatting to Newcastle friends after the game and they said they'd heard us throughout the game, even though we were right up in the top tier. I thought our support today was excellent and, to be fair, the team deserved it in the first half. But at the end the Villa fans left in angry silence
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Hats off to all the villa fans that travelled up and down the country today . Heard you load and clear on TV and thank you all for being a credit to the club again today.
I was chatting to Newcastle friends after the game and they said they'd heard us throughout the game, even though we were right up in the top tier. I thought our support today was excellent and, to be fair, the team deserved it in the first half. But at the end the Villa fans left in angry silence
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I think we all understand that we couldn't keep pouring money into overpaid players pockets with little or no return. But you can just as easily break a club by strangling the life out of it & we are inching our way towards it. They might try & spin it however they like but we can all see it happening. I see no evidence of progress other than the wage bill.
As football fans we all cling to the slightest signs of optimism, but I just can't see anything that shows that the current set up at Villa Park are capable or willing to turn things around.
Like the rest of us fools, I'll still be there next week. But it's getting harder to justify or keep up the pretence.
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I have tried to write a post about Lerner and Faulkner on my phone but it has kept failing so here's a shortened version.
In the 1990s and 2000s we had our bad years but were generally competing for Europe and trophies. Between 1995-2002 we were continually in the top eight. Yet in 2000 fans held up pound signs at Villa Park and there were how many other protests?
Why are Faulkner and Lerner getting away so lightly? The dark shadow of relegation has hovered over the villa since 10/11 and the club has fucked up every time it tried to stop our decline. We have been quite rudderless and the lack of know-how at the club was dramatically underlined during various pursuits of managers, especially after Houllier's departure.
We can all see where this current set-up will eventually take us. So why have the fans been so quiet about it all, letting the various managers take all the flak for what is happening?
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Westwood was utter shit today. What the hell has happened to him? Sylla was no better either. Why the hell did Lambert spend silly money on Kozak when we were desperate for a proper midfielder? He now reaps what he sows.
Westwood was our best player today in my opinion, and he won the man of the match award on sky even though he only played an hour or so.
Really sorry, I meant to write El Alhmadi/Sylla, not Westwood. Must stop drinking at lunchtime.
we have a 20% win rate when KEA plays
says it all
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I thought we played well enough in the first half. Second half, we really didn't look like scoring and although their goal was coming from 70 minutes in, a draw would just have about been fair.
having watching MOTD , magpies had loads of chances and it was obvious they were going to scorre . Two absolute sitters before
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It's funny that you can watch the same game as other people and come out of it with completely different views. You see things that other people do not see and they see things that you do not see. The only conclusion I can come to is that at times you see what you want to see and ignore what you do not want to see.
I have followed football for many years. In past years I would watch whatever match was on the TV and enjoy it. Today, I generally only watch Villa, because it is Villa. I am fed up with the whole football thing. Money has killed the game in England as a competitive sport for those other than the top 6. All of the money that is coming into the game is either going into players' pockets or going overseas to pay for this never ending stream of foreign players. Football in England is slowly strangling itself to death. Where is the money that used to flow down the leagues so that they could develop players that they could sell on. How many players can you name in the top 6 that have been bought from lower league teams. For that matter, how many from teams lower in the PL.
We do not have the financial power to compete at the top and I cannot criticise Lerner for not throwing vast amounts of money at a minimal chance. However, I can criticise him for not making sufficient available to improve the team in the last 2 years so that we can at least show some progress. If he cannot even afford that, he should look to find a buyer and get out as it will only get worse for him.
Back to the game today and comments I have read. I thought we played the better in the first half and could have gone in ahead. We should have stepped it up after halftime as it was clear that Newcastle would come out stronger than they were in the first half. It was clear that Westwood was injured as he signalled over to the bench that he was struggling. I am not a big fan of KEA but thought he had a reasonable game, especially first half.
Somebody earlier best summed it up for me, we have no winners in the side. There was no desire to give everything to the point of coming off the pitch having given everything. Although there were others, I would pick out Gabby as the worst culprit of this. If he has the ball in space he can look brilliant but without the ball, he just stands there. He will not look to create space for the pass, he half-heartedly tries to close players down. He looks flat-footed in the box when the ball comes in. His seemingly couldn't care less attitude as seen in his laughing and joking during the game after one miss after another. I could go on and on. He is one of the senior players in the side and is quickly becoming a luxury we cannot afford. He is becoming the epitome of the modern player, over paid and under performing.
I am not sure where we go from here. I do believe that this is not the right time to get rid of the manager. Without money to spend, managers are not going to put their reputation on the line. You are then into the has-beens or the untried and untested. It is easy to sit on the side lines and say we should do this or that without taking everything into consideration. There are some posters on here that study the game, others that make fair comment but there are others that are so over the top that they are starting to make me consider not coming on here. As I said at the beginning, people see the game differently and I may be better off (and certainly for my sanity) sticking in my own world and leave others to theirs.
Thankyou OMVF, an excellent post, and I fully agree and empathise with your closing comments. I tend to give this site a wide berth immediately after matches these days, because passions run so high that reason goes out of the window. Not that people aren't justified in feeling angry and upset, they have every cause and every right, but I find the vicious and hostile reactions on here often depress me more than the defeat does.
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Shit
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Just a couple of observations, in Lamberts pre match interview he looked Knackered and sounded depressed, i think the jobs got the better of him. Second point, its the managers job get the best out of Benteke, this is what really annoys me Villa never seem to get the best out of the players they have.
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Are the clowns who run our club up to the job of sacking a poor manager and employing a new one?
Like I said that's not a reason to keep Lambert though. At the end of the day you don't keep a bad manager, because you're scared of who to employ next. Whoever it is would struggle to do worse than Lambert is currently.
PWA I give you Billy McNeill. He was the worst manager in our history and bearing in mind the competition and who he succeeded that was some feat.
Faulkwit and Non Lerner couldn't pick their nose let alone another manager.
Regardless you'd hope they're actually learning. I don't think the logic behind hiring Lambert was bad, he's just let them down.
The logic to me seems to of been a point opposition manager who Villa fans sing his name at a match. Dodged a bullet by not getting Martinez.... Phew!
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I have tried to write a post about Lerner and Faulkner on my phone but it has kept failing so here's a shortened version.
In the 1990s and 2000s we had our bad years but were generally competing for Europe and trophies. Between 1995-2002 we were continually in the top eight. Yet in 2000 fans held up pound signs at Villa Park and there were how many other protests?
Why are Faulkner and Lerner getting away so lightly? The dark shadow of relegation has hovered over the villa since 10/11 and the club has fucked up every time it tried to stop our decline. We have been quite rudderless and the lack of know-how at the club was dramatically underlined during various pursuits of managers, especially after Houllier's departure.
We can all see where this current set-up will eventually take us. So why have the fans been so quiet about it all, letting the various managers take all the flak for what is happening?
This is my thoughts on it as well. Lerner sacks Lambert then gets in Fuck knows who, they going to want to completely rebuild the team and we all know that isn't going to happen as there is no Fucking money available.
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Rubbish. Lambert out
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Im Cardiff and Newcastle we've played two sides who had zero confidence on the back of several bad results and yet we failed to score in either. Dreadful and lambert should go.
To be replaced by who? And please bear in mind the recruiters and their abject knwledge of football.
I have no idea, but that's not my job. What I will say is that there are not many who could get us playing worse football or worse results.
I think there are many who could do worse on both counts. Far too many who are also rated beyond their abilities.
I'd rather you choose the successor than those who will. And I am being serious compared to Lerner and Faulkner.
I am willing to listen to alternatives.
Ronald koeman an experienced manager at European level and has expressed a desire to manage in the premier league next season , feyenoord contract expires in June.
I`d have Ronald Macdonald over what we`ve got at the moment.
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It's funny that you can watch the same game as other people and come out of it with completely different views. You see things that other people do not see and they see things that you do not see. The only conclusion I can come to is that at times you see what you want to see and ignore what you do not want to see.
I have followed football for many years. In past years I would watch whatever match was on the TV and enjoy it. Today, I generally only watch Villa, because it is Villa. I am fed up with the whole football thing. Money has killed the game in England as a competitive sport for those other than the top 6. All of the money that is coming into the game is either going into players' pockets or going overseas to pay for this never ending stream of foreign players. Football in England is slowly strangling itself to death. Where is the money that used to flow down the leagues so that they could develop players that they could sell on. How many players can you name in the top 6 that have been bought from lower league teams. For that matter, how many from teams lower in the PL.
We do not have the financial power to compete at the top and I cannot criticise Lerner for not throwing vast amounts of money at a minimal chance. However, I can criticise him for not making sufficient available to improve the team in the last 2 years so that we can at least show some progress. If he cannot even afford that, he should look to find a buyer and get out as it will only get worse for him.
Back to the game today and comments I have read. I thought we played the better in the first half and could have gone in ahead. We should have stepped it up after halftime as it was clear that Newcastle would come out stronger than they were in the first half. It was clear that Westwood was injured as he signalled over to the bench that he was struggling. I am not a big fan of KEA but thought he had a reasonable game, especially first half.
Somebody earlier best summed it up for me, we have no winners in the side. There was no desire to give everything to the point of coming off the pitch having given everything. Although there were others, I would pick out Gabby as the worst culprit of this. If he has the ball in space he can look brilliant but without the ball, he just stands there. He will not look to create space for the pass, he half-heartedly tries to close players down. He looks flat-footed in the box when the ball comes in. His seemingly couldn't care less attitude as seen in his laughing and joking during the game after one miss after another. I could go on and on. He is one of the senior players in the side and is quickly becoming a luxury we cannot afford. He is becoming the epitome of the modern player, over paid and under performing.
I am not sure where we go from here. I do believe that this is not the right time to get rid of the manager. Without money to spend, managers are not going to put their reputation on the line. You are then into the has-beens or the untried and untested. It is easy to sit on the side lines and say we should do this or that without taking everything into consideration. There are some posters on here that study the game, others that make fair comment but there are others that are so over the top that they are starting to make me consider not coming on here. As I said at the beginning, people see the game differently and I may be better off (and certainly for my sanity) sticking in my own world and leave others to theirs.
Thankyou OMVF, an excellent post, and I fully agree and empathise with your closing comments. I tend to give this site a wide berth immediately after matches these days, because passions run so high that reason goes out of the window. Not that people aren't justified in feeling angry and upset, they have every cause and every right, but I find the vicious and hostile reactions on here often depress me more than the defeat does.
Sorry for the epic quoteathon but it's difficult to edit on a phone, but I have to agree with the closing comments of both posters.
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There are some posters on here that study the game, others that make fair comment but there are others that are so over the top that they are starting to make me consider not coming on here. As I said at the beginning, people see the game differently and I may be better off (and certainly for my sanity) sticking in my own world and leave others to theirs.
Thankyou OMVF, an excellent post, and I fully agree and empathise with your closing comments. I tend to give this site a wide berth immediately after matches these days, because passions run so high that reason goes out of the window. Not that people aren't justified in feeling angry and upset, they have every cause and every right, but I find the vicious and hostile reactions on here often depress me more than the defeat does.
This is what I do. Wait 2 hours, scan the first page ('shit' ' Fuck of Lambert you @@&???!!!@@ & take Faulkner & Learner with you' etc) then I go to the last page and go 3 pages back. It's usually started to get a little more readable by then. The day that page 23 of the post match thread looks like page one is definitely the day I stop logging in!
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Westwood looked decent, he was never going to last after he took that kick to the leg early on.
I thought Gabby had a good first half, good couple of runs and shots, although when KEA put that ball across the box, Gabby was OUTSIDE the area.
Weimann was crap, so was Benteke. I thought Vlaar and Baker were OK. Vlaar nearly cost us just before the goal, I hate it when defenders piss around in the box, row Z it, FFS.
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I thought Albrighton was unfortunate not to come on ahead of Andi or perhaps even start.
Westwood bossed it until he went off and it was no surprise that they wrestled some imitative back after he departed and Sylla came on.
We have too many players just not up to the mark, although you do have to wonder what goes through the mind of some of our forwards when they hit the box.
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I thought we were the better side in the first half but as the game went on Newcastle stepped up a gear and we didn't. The late goal was a wounder and the Norwich and Stoke home games are massive now. I still think we need to be judging Lambert at the end of the season. I wouldn't want him sacked at the moment but I wouldn't want him given that new contract at the moment either.
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Sports direct. Com reporting
Apparently sources close to the club have been made aware of something extremely embarrassing, which could cause Lambert to loose his job.
It turns out that Yacouba Sylla was recommended to Villa by none other than George Weah. Lambert was so taken in by the obviously fictitious phone call, he supplied Mr Weah with his sort code, account number and PIN.
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if only that were true
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This merely echoes what a number of people have said above, but what really annoys me about yesterday's game is that we were actually fairly decent first half, while Newcastle were very poor indeed after some pressure early on. Giving the ball away all over the park, losing ground in midfield and clearly lacking confidence. So in those circumstances, what would you expect to happen after the break? More pressure, a quick goal and then finish them off? So the second half was especially galling.
KEA, Bennett....Jesus, these are anti-footballers. And Benteke's touch was criminal at times yesterday. He does deserved to be dropped on that performance.
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Hats off to all the villa fans that travelled up and down the country today . Heard you load and clear on TV and thank you all for being a credit to the club again today.
I was chatting to Newcastle friends after the game and they said they'd heard us throughout the game, even though we were right up in the top tier. I thought our support today was excellent and, to be fair, the team deserved it in the first half. But at the end the Villa fans left in angry silence
That sounds dangerously like when my son's team were the whipping boys of his league. The club would get very patronising letters and comments from the opposition congratulating the club on the excellent behaviour of the parents and the encouragement they offered as they were sliding to yet another heavy defeat. Oddly enough now they are one of the better teams and the parents still show the same exemplary behaviour the 'compliments' are no longer forthcoming, fingers crossed that will be the case with Villa soon.
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This merely echoes what a number of people have said above, but what really annoys me about yesterday's game is that we were actually fairly decent first half, while Newcastle were very poor indeed after some pressure early on. Giving the ball away all over the park, losing ground in midfield and clearly lacking confidence. So in those circumstances, what would you expect to happen after the break? More pressure, a quick goal and then finish them off? So the second half was especially galling.
KEA, Bennett....Jesus, these are anti-footballers. And Benteke's touch was criminal at times yesterday. He does deserved to be dropped on that performance.
To me there seemed too many players going through the motions yesterday , newcastle were there for the taking and we sat back and let them off the hook- after a decent enough 1st half the second half display was totally gutless and several players should hang their heads in shame .
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http://www.football365.com/john-nicholson/9182500/John-Nicholson
Not sure if this has been quoted yet but echoes much of what is said on here on a regular basis. Football will eat itself
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This merely echoes what a number of people have said above, but what really annoys me about yesterday's game is that we were actually fairly decent first half, while Newcastle were very poor indeed after some pressure early on. Giving the ball away all over the park, losing ground in midfield and clearly lacking confidence. So in those circumstances, what would you expect to happen after the break? More pressure, a quick goal and then finish them off? So the second half was especially galling.
KEA, Bennett....Jesus, these are anti-footballers. And Benteke's touch was criminal at times yesterday. He does deserved to be dropped on that performance.
To me there seemed too many players going through the motions yesterday , newcastle were there for the taking and we sat back and let them off the hook- after a decent enough 1st half the second half display was totally gutless and several players should hang their heads in shame .
We don't know how to win games. That and Cardiff were 6 points on a plate and we come out with 1 and no goals. Shameful.
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http://www.football365.com/john-nicholson/9182500/John-Nicholson
Not sure if this has been quoted yet but echoes much of what is said on here on a regular basis. Football will eat itself
All the points in the article have been made many times before, but that doesn't make them any less true. Funnily enough, I was thinking much the same at various points in the game yesterday. Is this what the all-singing, all-dancing Premier League has given us? Football-wise, both teams reminded me of 87/88. Except rather than paying three quid I had the honour of paying 27. Which is not all that bad compared to what some clubs charge (I refuse to pay 46 quid to attend the Theatre of Dreams this season, for example). For much of the game, neither side could do the basics like shooting on target or passing to a player in the same colour shirt. Absolutely woeful.
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If you are a Norwich player or supporter is there any team in the country you would rather play after that great win yesterday than Aston Villa at Villa Park? Hughton will be winding them up all week. Needs some key players to stand up and be counted!
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Needs some key players to stand up and be counted!
and our manager.
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Needs some key players to stand up and be counted!
and our manager.
And our owner.
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If you are a Norwich player or supporter is there any team in the country you would rather play after that great win yesterday than Aston Villa at Villa Park? Hughton will be winding them up all week. Needs some key players to stand up and be counted!
Yes Norwich and their fans will be fired up to rub lamberts nose in it - will our players be up for it is the real question .
I find it baffling how we only seem to play for one good half in most matches and the motivational ability of the staff must be questioned - it really is a huge game and similar to the sunderland one last season - we need to be on our game.
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Needs some key players to stand up and be counted!
and our manager.
And our owner.
Counted out of the door
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If you are a Norwich player or supporter is there any team in the country you would rather play after that great win yesterday than Aston Villa at Villa Park?
This, sadly.
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Needs some key players to stand up and be counted!
and our manager.
And our owner.
Don't forget the General, I'm sure he's as consumed by the pain of it all as we are folks
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If you are a Norwich player or supporter is there any team in the country you would rather play after that great win yesterday than Aston Villa at Villa Park?
This, sadly.
You could turn that around though as we've beaten them the last three times we've played them.
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Needs some key players to stand up and be counted!
and our manager.
And our owner.
Don't forget the General, I'm sure he's as consumed by the pain of it all as we are folks
What about Nicky Keyes? Has anybody stopped to consider her in all of this?
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Brief point of order about the game:
Now, I don't really like to criticise Vlaar too much as he has held us together as a team when he has been fit, but Newcastle's goal ultimately stemmed from him fucking about with the ball on our byline which ended with Remy nearly scoring.
We never composed ourselves after that and the panic spread until their scrappy winner went in.
All so infuriatingly unnecessary.
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Brief point of order about the game:
Now, I don't really like to criticise Vlaar too much as he has held us together as a team when he has been fit, but Newcastle's goal ultimately stemmed from him fucking about with the ball on our byline which ended with Remy nearly scoring.
We never composed ourselves after that and the panic spread until their scrappy winner went in.
All so infuriatingly unnecessary.
Fair comment.
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This merely echoes what a number of people have said above, but what really annoys me about yesterday's game is that we were actually fairly decent first half, while Newcastle were very poor indeed after some pressure early on. Giving the ball away all over the park, losing ground in midfield and clearly lacking confidence. So in those circumstances, what would you expect to happen after the break? More pressure, a quick goal and then finish them off? So the second half was especially galling.
KEA, Bennett....Jesus, these are anti-footballers. And Benteke's touch was criminal at times yesterday. He does deserved to be dropped on that performance.
To me there seemed too many players going through the motions yesterday , newcastle were there for the taking and we sat back and let them off the hook- after a decent enough 1st half the second half display was totally gutless and several players should hang their heads in shame .
We don't know how to win games. That and Cardiff were 6 points on a plate and we come out with 1 and no goals. Shameful.
And still people call some of our future games 'winnable'. We need some almighty bollockings being handed out.
Time is not really on our side now. I mentioned during January that we needed battlers to keep us in this division. We did not get them, although Holt was supposedly brought in to provide some of that. It is bottlers, not battlers, that we have. The 65/75 minute subs are so O'Neill-like that I begin to wonder if Lambert is still taking tips from him. The live, in game, betting is the way for me now. Everything with us is so predictable.
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Newcastle are a very awkward team to watch, no flow to their football at all.
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God knows what the neighbours must think as i was absolutely raging all through that abomination of a game. I was told several times to calm down by the missus and the kids came in the room to have a laugh.
My views based on game and this season
Guzan - As good as anyone - keep for the future
Bacuna - OMG - Apart from a couple of free kicks what the fuck does he contribute. Cannot tackle, cannot head the ball, goes missing for huge periods and fanny's around until the inveitible pass backwards - get rid as just not good enough
Baker - worries me that he dives in at least once in every game. At best he will certainly get a red at some point at worsthe will yet again injure himself. Significantly better than Clark - keep for future
Vlaar - at times looks a world beater, others a clown - not sure where the "leader" comments come from he is almost mute on the pitch - a decent world cup and he will be off
Bertrand - started ok and i can only assume it is the appalling tactics of our clown of a manager that stops him from driving to the byline and whipping crosses over
Westwood - An obviously talented player who is going backwards due to the shite around him
Delph - everytime i speak of him as showing now the player we all thought he would be - he regresses into the headless chicken again- he is getting caught every game now in possession and its costing us
KEA - has the odd good game - always away from home so at least has some virtues (but not enough to think he is the future) bin him
Weinmann - flatters to deceive - simply not good enough at this level - if we want work rate - but a greyhound
Benteke - When he is hot - unplayable - when he is not at it - unwatchable. How we can have a player like him and not know how to use him and his talents is almost criminal
Gabby - yes he is a grafter, yes he is loyal and yes he is local - but fuck me it ends there. Yesterday he looked like a faster version of Heskey - brain dead on positioning, movement. His control meant he was trapping the ball further than i can kick it. Just the "thickest player" i have every seen on his decision making a complete waste of space. The fact that he has been around since DOL and he nor anyone else actually knows where he should play says it all - too comfortable for him ATM
Everyone else
Bennet - His hairdo sums it up really - get rid
Tonev - has he disappeared?
Bowery - as Tonev
Grant - whatever we are paying him - you have to question why
Helenius - How can he not get a chance ATM
Clark - error stricken
Albrighton - the best player we have when he does not play (or so some fans think) - whenever he gets a run he goes to shit - again 4 managers cannot get him to step up - he is not good enough
The Manager (i stuggle to even write that as his title)
The prime function of a football manager is to
a/ Define the shape and style of football we are to play
b/ Buy / select the players needed to fit into that system / style of play
c/ Ensure that they are fit, conditioned and well prepared for that style of play
d/ Ensure that they are well drilled and practice relentlessly towards the goals outlined in (a)
e/ To identify areas of the team / squad that need changing year on year as part of a continuous improvement plan
f/ To identify weaknesses in the players/ team / shape and man manage / motivate / inspire them to turn any bouts of poor form around.
Paul Lambert - you have failed on every single prime function
It is often quoted that in most professions people get promoted to a point of incompetence as they exceed their level of ability - its not always their fault
But if you have any dignity left - Please just go
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Bowery's on loan at Doncaster.
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Newcastle are a very awkward team to watch, no flow to their football at all.
And us...? We are the visual equivalent of nails on a blackboard. I honestly don't think there is a worse footballing side in the league than us. We are bloody awful.
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God knows what the neighbours must think as i was absolutely raging all through that abomination of a game. I was told several times to calm down by the missus and the kids came in the room to have a laugh.
My views based on game and this season
Guzan - As good as anyone - keep for the future
Bacuna - OMG - Apart from a couple of free kicks what the fuck does he contribute. Cannot tackle, cannot head the ball, goes missing for huge periods and fanny's around until the inveitible pass backwards - get rid as just not good enough
Baker - worries me that he dives in at least once in every game. At best he will certainly get a red at some point at worsthe will yet again injure himself. Significantly better than Clark - keep for future
Vlaar - at times looks a world beater, others a clown - not sure where the "leader" comments come from he is almost mute on the pitch - a decent world cup and he will be off
Bertrand - started ok and i can only assume it is the appalling tactics of our clown of a manager that stops him from driving to the byline and whipping crosses over
Westwood - An obviously talented player who is going backwards due to the shite around him
Delph - everytime i speak of him as showing now the player we all thought he would be - he regresses into the headless chicken again- he is getting caught every game now in possession and its costing us
KEA - has the odd good game - always away from home so at least has some virtues (but not enough to think he is the future) bin him
Weinmann - flatters to deceive - simply not good enough at this level - if we want work rate - but a greyhound
Benteke - When he is hot - unplayable - when he is not at it - unwatchable. How we can have a player like him and not know how to use him and his talents is almost criminal
Gabby - yes he is a grafter, yes he is loyal and yes he is local - but fuck me it ends there. Yesterday he looked like a faster version of Heskey - brain dead on positioning, movement. His control meant he was trapping the ball further than i can kick it. Just the "thickest player" i have every seen on his decision making a complete waste of space. The fact that he has been around since DOL and he nor anyone else actually knows where he should play says it all - too comfortable for him ATM
Everyone else
Bennet - His hairdo sums it up really - get rid
Tonev - has he disappeared?
Bowery - as Tonev
Grant - whatever we are paying him - you have to question why
Helenius - How can he not get a chance ATM
Clark - error stricken
Albrighton - the best player we have when he does not play (or so some fans think) - whenever he gets a run he goes to shit - again 4 managers cannot get him to step up - he is not good enough
The Manager (i stuggle to even write that as his title)
The prime function of a football manager is to
a/ Define the shape and style of football we are to play
b/ Buy / select the players needed to fit into that system / style of play
c/ Ensure that they are fit, conditioned and well prepared for that style of play
d/ Ensure that they are well drilled and practice relentlessly towards the goals outlined in (a)
e/ To identify areas of the team / squad that need changing year on year as part of a continuous improvement plan
f/ To identify weaknesses in the players/ team / shape and man manage / motivate / inspire them to turn any bouts of poor form around.
Paul Lambert - you have failed on every single prime function
It is often quoted that in most professions people get promoted to a point of incompetence as they exceed their level of ability - its not always their fault
But if you have any dignity left - Please just go
I'm glad I wasn't the only one to get a yellow card off the wife. In the last fifteen minutes I was told to sort out my turrets syndrome.
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Hookey,
That is the most marvelous post/rant !
You have brought a smile to my face with that..thank you.
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God knows what the neighbours must think as i was absolutely raging all through that abomination of a game. I was told several times to calm down by the missus and the kids came in the room to have a laugh.
My views based on game and this season
Guzan - As good as anyone - keep for the future
Bacuna - OMG - Apart from a couple of free kicks what the fuck does he contribute. Cannot tackle, cannot head the ball, goes missing for huge periods and fanny's around until the inveitible pass backwards - get rid as just not good enough
Baker - worries me that he dives in at least once in every game. At best he will certainly get a red at some point at worsthe will yet again injure himself. Significantly better than Clark - keep for future
Vlaar - at times looks a world beater, others a clown - not sure where the "leader" comments come from he is almost mute on the pitch - a decent world cup and he will be off
Bertrand - started ok and i can only assume it is the appalling tactics of our clown of a manager that stops him from driving to the byline and whipping crosses over
Westwood - An obviously talented player who is going backwards due to the shite around him
Delph - everytime i speak of him as showing now the player we all thought he would be - he regresses into the headless chicken again- he is getting caught every game now in possession and its costing us
KEA - has the odd good game - always away from home so at least has some virtues (but not enough to think he is the future) bin him
Weinmann - flatters to deceive - simply not good enough at this level - if we want work rate - but a greyhound
Benteke - When he is hot - unplayable - when he is not at it - unwatchable. How we can have a player like him and not know how to use him and his talents is almost criminal
Gabby - yes he is a grafter, yes he is loyal and yes he is local - but fuck me it ends there. Yesterday he looked like a faster version of Heskey - brain dead on positioning, movement. His control meant he was trapping the ball further than i can kick it. Just the "thickest player" i have every seen on his decision making a complete waste of space. The fact that he has been around since DOL and he nor anyone else actually knows where he should play says it all - too comfortable for him ATM
Everyone else
Bennet - His hairdo sums it up really - get rid
Tonev - has he disappeared?
Bowery - as Tonev
Grant - whatever we are paying him - you have to question why
Helenius - How can he not get a chance ATM
Clark - error stricken
Albrighton - the best player we have when he does not play (or so some fans think) - whenever he gets a run he goes to shit - again 4 managers cannot get him to step up - he is not good enough
The Manager (i stuggle to even write that as his title)
The prime function of a football manager is to
a/ Define the shape and style of football we are to play
b/ Buy / select the players needed to fit into that system / style of play
c/ Ensure that they are fit, conditioned and well prepared for that style of play
d/ Ensure that they are well drilled and practice relentlessly towards the goals outlined in (a)
e/ To identify areas of the team / squad that need changing year on year as part of a continuous improvement plan
f/ To identify weaknesses in the players/ team / shape and man manage / motivate / inspire them to turn any bouts of poor form around.
Paul Lambert - you have failed on every single prime function
It is often quoted that in most professions people get promoted to a point of incompetence as they exceed their level of ability - its not always their fault
But if you have any dignity left - Please just go
Sums it up.
We are shit aren't we.
Manager / CEO / Owner
All 3 are as bad as it gets.
One's totally clueless, one is an ex employee of the owner and the owner has given up.
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Bowery's on loan at Doncaster.
sums up that signing
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God knows what the neighbours must think as i was absolutely raging all through that abomination of a game. I was told several times to calm down by the missus and the kids came in the room to have a laugh.
My views based on game and this season
Guzan - As good as anyone - keep for the future
Bacuna - OMG - Apart from a couple of free kicks what the fuck does he contribute. Cannot tackle, cannot head the ball, goes missing for huge periods and fanny's around until the inveitible pass backwards - get rid as just not good enough
Baker - worries me that he dives in at least once in every game. At best he will certainly get a red at some point at worsthe will yet again injure himself. Significantly better than Clark - keep for future
Vlaar - at times looks a world beater, others a clown - not sure where the "leader" comments come from he is almost mute on the pitch - a decent world cup and he will be off
Bertrand - started ok and i can only assume it is the appalling tactics of our clown of a manager that stops him from driving to the byline and whipping crosses over
Westwood - An obviously talented player who is going backwards due to the shite around him
Delph - everytime i speak of him as showing now the player we all thought he would be - he regresses into the headless chicken again- he is getting caught every game now in possession and its costing us
KEA - has the odd good game - always away from home so at least has some virtues (but not enough to think he is the future) bin him
Weinmann - flatters to deceive - simply not good enough at this level - if we want work rate - but a greyhound
Benteke - When he is hot - unplayable - when he is not at it - unwatchable. How we can have a player like him and not know how to use him and his talents is almost criminal
Gabby - yes he is a grafter, yes he is loyal and yes he is local - but fuck me it ends there. Yesterday he looked like a faster version of Heskey - brain dead on positioning, movement. His control meant he was trapping the ball further than i can kick it. Just the "thickest player" i have every seen on his decision making a complete waste of space. The fact that he has been around since DOL and he nor anyone else actually knows where he should play says it all - too comfortable for him ATM
Everyone else
Bennet - His hairdo sums it up really - get rid
Tonev - has he disappeared?
Bowery - as Tonev
Grant - whatever we are paying him - you have to question why
Helenius - How can he not get a chance ATM
Clark - error stricken
Albrighton - the best player we have when he does not play (or so some fans think) - whenever he gets a run he goes to shit - again 4 managers cannot get him to step up - he is not good enough
The Manager (i stuggle to even write that as his title)
The prime function of a football manager is to
a/ Define the shape and style of football we are to play
b/ Buy / select the players needed to fit into that system / style of play
c/ Ensure that they are fit, conditioned and well prepared for that style of play
d/ Ensure that they are well drilled and practice relentlessly towards the goals outlined in (a)
e/ To identify areas of the team / squad that need changing year on year as part of a continuous improvement plan
f/ To identify weaknesses in the players/ team / shape and man manage / motivate / inspire them to turn any bouts of poor form around.
Paul Lambert - you have failed on every single prime function
It is often quoted that in most professions people get promoted to a point of incompetence as they exceed their level of ability - its not always their fault
But if you have any dignity left - Please just go
I'm glad I wasn't the only one to get a yellow card off the wife. In the last fifteen minutes I was told to sort out my turrets syndrome.
It isn't worth the castle.
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Watching Villa at the moment is like a football related Groundhog Day and that is the most depressing point of all. Like so many here I am dreading going on Sunday as I know I will face a long drive back feeling utterly depressed and yes I do try and put it into perspective.
Like an alcoholic Lambert is now in full denial of the problems with the team, his tactics, coaching and the whole sodding predictability of it all.
I bet even the Orange Dot has given up.
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You might be seeing it on Sunday. I'll add it to the pre-match thread when some-one starts it. I've now sacked myself from any future involvement the three associated threads until we are mathematically safe from relegation. Or doomed.
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Like an alcoholic Lambert is now in full denial
Is there a comma missing or is it a Freudian slip?
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Great Rant Hookey
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pretty poor first half, bloody awful second half. That was a perfect game to get something against a Newcastle side out of form, yet we blew it.
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pretty poor first half, bloody awful second half. That was a perfect game to get something against a Newcastle side out of form, yet we blew it.
Thought the first half was decent enough to be fair .
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Honestly, I thought we bossed the first half. But I remember knowing that we wouldn't play well for the full 90, and knowing that we wouldnt win.
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Bowery's on loan at Doncaster.
sums up that signing
See also Helenius
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I'm glad I wasn't the only one to get a yellow card off the wife. In the last fifteen minutes I was told to sort out my turrets syndrome.
It isn't worth the castle.
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Very good. Curse that spill chock tool.
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Seconded and congrats on getting through to the next Cup round, silhillvilla!
Thanks Louzie0
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Needs some key players to stand up and be counted!
and our manager.
And our owner.
Don't forget the General, I'm sure he's as consumed by the pain of it all as we are folks
What about Nicky Keyes? Has anybody stopped to consider her in all of this?
That made me laugh for the first time in about 36 hours. Oh for the days when all we had to moan about was how warm the pies were.
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Honestly, I thought we bossed the first half. But I remember knowing that we wouldn't play well for the full 90, and knowing that we wouldnt win.
We did boss the first half, further unsettled a very insecure Newcastle side and set everything up nicely for the second 45, with them getting booed off at the half-time whistle. And then we let it all go to shit.
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Honestly, I thought we bossed the first half. But I remember knowing that we wouldn't play well for the full 90, and knowing that we wouldnt win.
We did boss the first half, further unsettled a very insecure Newcastle side and set everything up nicely for the second half, with them getting booed off at the half-time whistle. And then we let it all go to shit.
Exactly. We came out and instead of giving it a high tempo push at the start, we allowed it to lull into a quagmire of nothingness. Then Westwood went off and any semblance of control vanished.
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Like an alcoholic Lambert is now in full denial
Is there a comma missing or is it a Freudian slip?
In denial ..more in de sh*t. Awful. I sat with Newkie fan and said how many times we have lost in the last few minutes just before remy put it away. Awful. The Geordie lad was compassionate but a lot happier than I was. Woeful!
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My mate who was at the game and is a Newcastle fan said the goal was celebrated around him like a '40 year old finally losing his virginity'.
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Like an alcoholic Lambert is now in full denial
Is there a comma missing or is it a Freudian slip?
In denial ..more in de sh*t. Awful. I sat with Newkie fan and said how many times we have lost in the last few minutes just before remy put it away. Awful. The Geordie lad was compassionate but a lot happier than I was. Woeful!
More up shit creek than in de nile