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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on February 08, 2014, 08:53:05 AM
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Saturday 8.2.14 @4.50pm.
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I'm hoping this is tempting fate, but I've got to go out. Absolutely awful performance with the exception of Albrighton. It highlighted what every fan knew though, we can't defend if Vlaar doesn't play and we have zero creativity to break teams down. Those things could have been addressed in January but they weren't due to this belief that we were safely midtable. Make no mistake any team who is as insipid and awful as we are at home is not safe. Rubbish and Lambert shouldn't be anywhere near a new contract, he should be lucky to see out this one based on our home displays in his reign.
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I'm hoping this is tempting fate, but I've got to go out. Absolutely awful performance with the exception of Albrighton. It highlighted what every fan knew though, we can't defend if Vlaar doesn't play and we have zero creativity to break teams down. Those things could have been addressed in January but they weren't due to this belief that we were safely midtable. Make no mistake any team who is as insipid and awful as we are at home is not safe. Rubbish and Lambert shouldn't be anywhere near a new contract, he should be lucky to see out this one based on our home displays in his reign.
You could have wrote this at 2.45pm.
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As soon as I saw Baker and Clark at CB I feared the worst.
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I hate football
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Lambert out! Fuck the new contract, Lambert out.
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Ten letters:
L______ O__
And they want to give him a new contract?
What a joke. This club is a complete shambles.
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The mere mention of a new contract for Lambert is slap on the face of us.The home record is not acceptable the performances are not acceptable.
The only person to come out of that with any credit was Albrighton
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New levels of pathetic.
I hope Bertrand is ok for the next game, or it could be a back four of Lowton Baker Clark Bennett which doesn't bear thinking about.
I can't believe we're talking to him about a new contract.
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I watch that game (or indeed 90% of our home games) and I see no reason whatsoever that Paul Lambert is the manager we should be sticking with.
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Utter garbage again at home with albrighton the only shining light - we are stuck with lambert it seems and sadly he is taking us only one way - a very depressing outlook for villa and dire time to be a supporter .
Things will Only get worse and only lambert knows why he chose not to spend the money available to him in January - depressing times :(
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The thing is, was playing 4312 ever likely to be a good idea against a Fat Sam team, whose main strength is their defensive organisation? I just can't see it.
All of our weaknesses were exposed today - the club's and the team's.
Alby and Westwood played well. Two players who looked to create.
I'm gonna ignore villa now till the Cardiff game. There's literally nothing to say that's not been said before is there?
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The problem is, there was enough effort and chances in the second half for some people to forget we were absolutely abysmal in the first half and came out asleep in the second half.
Not good enough.
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The manager is clueless, the team is technically deficient and the supporters are having the piss taken out of them.
The club's becoming a joke to be quite frank.
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I hope my sky dish packs up in time for Tuesday.
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Lets get him signed up quick before the vultures start circling.
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Sick of this shit. Weare a club that has lost its identity and soul. Everybody loves coming to villa park for a nice easy away win. We are absolutely fucked.
We will go down eventually. Recruit top players in the summer? We are perennial relegation strugglers.
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A few minutes of madness cost us. Just like arsenal game. Bizarrely while we weren't good I don't think we were shit either. It was fucking cold in the second half.
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Twelve months ago it was difficult to defend the Manager, it's now immpossible.
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Today might have been the archetypal Lambert match. Well-meaning, clearly wanting us to pass properly, but with no indication he has any idea how to get us to play it properly. Midfielders get the ball and everyone stands still around them. Strikers aimlessly crowd in the penalty, apparently believing that just being near the goal constitutes attacking movement. And, when we finally get some width, he guts the central midfield in the process and brings on another Big Man, leaving us lumping in cross after hopeless cross and threatening nothing and nobody but the crowd behind the goal.
I really want him to succeed with us, to turn us around and make us an exciting, entertaining, modern-looking football team, but almost every match diminishes that hope bit by bit.
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We are right in the shit again can't believe there giving him a new contract, depressing
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Another Lambert clueless team selection and performance.
Why keep putting high balls into the box when they were winning 90% of them.
If Albrighton isn't in the starting line up next game, questions need asking about Lambert's selection policy.
Another disasterous home game.
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Thank god i avoided buying those dirt cheap tickets. Hilariously useless tactically inept performance.
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Nothing said on here will make an iota of difference to the cancerous management structure at our club. Lerner, Faulkner, lambert, 3 men I completely despise
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A few minutes of madness cost us. Just like arsenal game. Bizarrely while we weren't good I don't think we were shit either. It was fucking cold in the second half.
It's just the same old shite at the end of the day.
First half, we passed a bit better than usual but looked utterly devoid of ideas re how to get through. Second half, two lots of comedy defending, followed by nothing until Albrighton came on, by which time I was too late.
I appreciate sometimes you don't get the result you deserve, but far too often we get what we deserve - nothing.
It takes some achievement to be at home to West Ham and make them look the better side for almost the whole of the first half.
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Also, why have Weimann, Benteke and Gabby all playing in more or less the same position? No width up front whatsoever.
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Just checking in after shifting a load of junk all day. Not in the least bit surprised. A game we should have been looking to win but typically ballsed up. Not good enough.
Lambert's new contract? How about rolling it up and sticking it where the sun don't shine!?
This whole club is bloody clueless top to bottom. This was a game we in no way should have been losing today on our own turf. West Ham are bloody appalling. Any doubts we were in a relegation battle are wiped away now. We're absolutely fighting for our fucking lives again.
If we survive this season we'll be bloody lucky to do so again next year, because I see no chance of us improving. Not unless there's a big change around and a lot of investment.
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The mere mention of a new contract for Lambert is slap on the face of us.The home record is not acceptable the performances are not acceptable.
The only person to come out of that with any credit was Albrighton
thought westwood was decent enough, delph trying to do too much again.
apart from that, all utter shite. player of benteke's ability should be scoring at least one of those chances.
special word from gabby, completely and utterly anonymous
matt lowton, fuck off back to sheffield. united not wednesday, would be out of his depth in the championship.
the final insult was bringing on grant holt.
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I haven't been this pissed off about a Villa result in a long time.
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Awful performance against a shit team.
No doubt Lambert will see the positives in his post match interview.
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Looking at that team and that Villa Park I just no longer recognise the club.
We are run down and lacking any bottle. The most depressing place in the Premier League must be Aston Villa.
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A once great club being run into the ground by a man who could not give a fuck, employing people who tell him what he wants to hear, no respect for the poor people who pay good money to watch a Paul Lambert team that has not got a clue, Aston Villa I want my club back
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I haven't been this pissed off about a Villa result in a long time.
there have been enough contenders this season
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Abysmal. The mere suggestion that Lambert may sign a new contract is astonishing. What has he possibly done to deserve one?
Albrighton and maybe Bacuna can hold their heads high, the former for quality and effort, the second for effort. The rest of them should be ashamed.
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I don't like singling out players but..... Grant Holt. Is he one of our worst ever signings? Seen him 3/4 times now and he has literally offered nothing.
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I feel for Delph. Seems he is expected to do everything. Surprised we haven't stuck him in goal.
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The manager is clueless, the team is technically deficient and the supporters are having the piss taken out of them.
The club's becoming a joke to be quite frank.
This.
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As said in the match thread, Grant Holte was brought to make me look good in a Villa shirt, that is it.
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As soon as I saw Baker and Clark at CB I feared the worst.
Although neither goal was their fault, maybe someone fancies giving Bertrand and Delph a bollocking for a change
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Those immortal first words on the results round-up - "Aston Villa nil.........."
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I hope my sky dish packs up in time for Tuesday.
Its on BT ;)
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I hope my sky dish packs up in time for Tuesday.
Its on BT ;)
It runs through my sky dish ;-)
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Can anyone tell me what Gabby contributed today, aside from failing to control a great pass from Weimann in the first half when he could have scored?
I'm not criticising Gabby so much as the formation and tactics.
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Hard to believe the gall of the club getting the poor bastards working in the ticket-office give the tentative renewal calls to existing season ticket holders with still a third of another season of home dross to go. How lucky the club are that football is followed by people with blind loyalty who as punters in any other business would be laughed at for being utter mugs.
matt lowton, fuck off back to sheffield. united not wednesday, would be out of his depth in the championship.
After seeing Sheff Utd knock both us and Fulham out of the cup - outplaying them for large parts in one of the worst games I've ever watched in the flesh, I'm not sure he'd get a look-in there either.
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I hope my sky dish packs up in time for Tuesday.
Its on BT ;)
It runs through my sky dish ;-)
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I hope my sky dish packs up in time for Tuesday.
Its on BT ;)
It runs through my sky dish ;-)
OOSH. Bossed.
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I still don't think we're going down though. There are worse teams than us over the course of a season. The positive thing about this villa side is we could well go and beat both Cardiff and Newcastle now.
Silver linings and all that.
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Yet another match of the day I won't watch tonight.
Any other club would have sacked this clueless manager and the fact he remains speaks volumes of Lerner and Faulkner's incompetence in running a professorial football club.
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Sorry, he may buy into the vision but I doubt he is capable of delivering.
I said , give him until next year.
our pathetic home record does not deserve that.
line up some one else and go again.
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I still don't think we're going down though. There are worse teams than us over the course of a season. The positive thing about this villa side is we could well go and beat both Cardiff and Newcastle now.
Silver linings and all that.
i'll have some of what you're drinking.
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Paul Lambert thinks Aston Villa can take heart from their rally in the last 20 minutes against West Ham at Villa Park today.
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Has any team dropped more points against the bottom three and avoided relegation, as us? Sunderland (H), Fulham (A), Palace (H), West Ham (H). One point from four games. We can't expect to keep doing this and stay in the division.
Fucking abysmal.
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Guzan - Long kick long kick long kick ..Helpless with goals
Lowton - Can not defend
Baker - Some how made Carlton Cole look a threat
Clark - See above
Bertrand - got turned inside out by Downing and gave away a foul throw
Bacuna - Poor bad choice of passing too rash on ball
Westwood - Tidy enough but not player you need when chasing a game
Delph -100% at fault for second goal tried hard but those around just give little support
Gabby -Clearly not fit
Benteke -Missed chances and was well marshalled
Weimann - One good ball to Gabby other than that very little
Holt --Did nothing
Bennet - see above
Albrighton - Best player for us by a millions miles ..if anyone deserves a contract its him.Impresses every time he play's no idea why not regular
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Yet another match of the day I won't watch tonight.
Any other club would have sacked this clueless manager and the fact he remains speaks volumes of Lerner and Faulkner's incompetence in running a professorial football club.
It's ok though because he can't fault the effort of the team, they were excellent 2nd half and we go again.
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Paul Lambert thinks Aston Villa can take heart from their rally in the last 20 minutes against West Ham at Villa Park today.
predictable. thing is lambert no point only playing when the game is already effectively gone. do it week in week out.
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FORTY EIGHT MINUTES until we even bothered to look interested. And then with nothing to lose and with WHU happy to sit back we get a few bits of success due to adding some much needed WIDTH to the team.
But words are starting to sound hollow and meaningless now, it's week after week with nothing positive to say. How we've even got to the stage of considering a new contract for a man that's dragged us to all kinds of new shitness levels is as truly bemusing as when we appointed McLeish.
What on earth is going on at our club?
Please go.
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A complete and utter shambles. The lot of them are a laughing stock from the very top down.
A clueless owner (who can only ever be spotted on the sub's bench).
A clueless CEO
And a totally inept clueless manager.
Load of bollocks.
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Paul Lambert thinks Aston Villa can take heart from their rally in the last 20 minutes against West Ham at Villa Park today.
Fuck off Lambert.
Brought in to restore our pride.Instead, further cemented us as a bottom six club.
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9 points behind Southampton, a gap Villa won't close. But the gap to the bottom three well within our compass and our capability the way we're playing. I think we can only survive because another three are worse, but I wouldn't like to say who. They are probably better at fighting for survival than a Lambert side.
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I still don't think we're going down though. There are worse teams than us over the course of a season. The positive thing about this villa side is we could well go and beat both Cardiff and Newcastle now.
Silver linings and all that.
lets revisit that on Tuesday at 9.45pm
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Is the Cardiff game on telly? I think 5 of our next 7 are. A national tragedy.
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Has any team dropped more points against the bottom three and avoided relegation, as us? Sunderland (H), Fulham (A), Palace (H), West Ham (H). One point from four games. We can't expect to keep doing this and stay in the division.
Fucking abysmal.
The fabled easy games where we pick up a few points.
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I still don't think we're going down though. There are worse teams than us over the course of a season. The positive thing about this villa side is we could well go and beat both Cardiff and Newcastle now.
Silver linings and all that.
I applaud the optimism, but can't share it
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The only positive that can be drawn today is, it's another game nearer to the end of another shit season. I hate to be defeatist but, relegation is a very distinct possibility this season whatever about next.
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Will lambert ever come out and say we weren't good enough and things need to improve. He speaks to the fans and media like we are fucking stupid. I have absolutely no time for him, each to their own but for me Lambert out. I won't be back until he's gone. I'm gutted by what the trio of incompetents have done to this club
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Paul Lambert thinks Aston Villa can take heart from their rally in the last 20 minutes against West Ham at Villa Park today.
Only because West Ham eased off and defended deeper. Lambert's fooling himself but not the fans.
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Is the Cardiff game on telly? I think 5 of our next 7 are. A national tragedy.
Sales of Nytol to drop off significantly...
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and calls to the Samaritans to go through the roof
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What odds are being offered for Villa to be relegated compared to the other candidates?
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Chin up lads we had 68% possession. Ace.
You could say we were a bit unlucky hitting the woodwork twice, and losing our only defenders who can defend, Vlaar, Okore and Bertrand, to injury. But it's Lambert's fault that the replacements are nowhere near prem standard, especially Baker who's just a runaway train, but without the subtlety. With Vlaar's record everyone knew a backup CB was essential in the window. Still we remain "safe in mid-table" with a massive 4 point buffer between us and the drop zone and two away games to follow. So that's okay then.
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There are no words for how fucked off I am with this shower of shite, particularly Delph's mistake.
Fucknuggets.
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Is the Cardiff game on telly? I think 5 of our next 7 are. A national tragedy.
Not for everyone else?
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You cannot excuse conceding two goals in that fashion at this level. Bizarre defending. What Delph was doing, I have absolutely no idea.
I thought more than enough to get back into it. Benteke had borrowed Ugo's fifty pence piece head. They were defending at one point with nine men in a line and we should have been able to capitalise.
Vlaar apart, I am not sure why you would change the system from the Albion game, bar Gabby for the ineffectual Weimann.
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You could say we were a bit unlucky hitting the woodwork twice
and you can be fucking sure he will.
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The whole club needs revitalising, on and off the pitch.
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That was dire. The worst thing for me was that when we actually fucking woke up after albrighton came on, we created loads of chances. Where the fuck were we in the first half?
Worst display I've seen in a long time and relegation material in all honesty.
Lowton, baker, Clark, bacuna just not good enough and lambert seems to have lost the plot completely with his tactics. I've been in his corner all season and stuck up for him, but that was absolute shite.
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The whole club needs revitalising, on and off the pitch.
This has been obvious for a very long time.
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Whilst we are far from safe from it, I don't think we'll go down, but the last few years have created a situation in which, finally, eventually, we are going to get relegated, it just looks like we're auditioning for the Championship. Certainly if we are happy to bob along like this.
Also full marks to whoever thought it'd be a good idea to start talking to a far from convincing manager who has produced one of the dullest Villa sides in years about a new contract so early?
He's quite clearly under no pressure whatsoever. One can only assume they don't actually watch the matches.
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That was dire. The worst thing for me was that when we actually fucking woke up after albrighton came on, we created loads of chances. Where the fuck were we in the first half?
Worst display I've seen in a long time and relegation material in all honesty.
Lowton, baker, Clark, bacuna just not good enough and lambert seems to have lost the plot completely with his tactics. I've been in his corner all season and stuck up for him, but that was absolute shite.
I had no idea what he was trying to do today, none at all. The first half, the strikers might as well not have been on the pitch.
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What odds are being offered for Villa to be relegated compared to the other candidates?
16/1 before the game on will hill.
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Looking forward to spending rest of season relying on others to keep us up ..well done Lambert & Lerner
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There was me thinking we could get 3 wins on the bounce. Its laughable now. Didn't Faulkner say Lambert was doing his best to sort out the home form.
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What odds are being offered for Villa to be relegated compared to the other candidates?
16/1 before the game on will hill.
Good odds if there's any Villa fans who can make this bet, head over heart perhaps. Compared to those below us now 16/1 is good but I imagine they've come down after today and will again after Cardiff if we lose.
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No surprises for me today. You create a Championship side and it will play like a Championship side and sooner or later end up in the............ You guessed it.
I'm beginning to think, this is the year. 27 points won't look so many in a few weeks time.
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There is nothing any manager can do when good players like Delph have a brain freeze.
My Albion supporting mate is laying right into Franksy here!
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I fooking hate it when big Sam "out tactics" us :(
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8/13 home games lost and the disgrace that is Paul Lambert is offered a new contract.
Quite unbelievable.
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I think if we go down then Smethwick will certainly go down because as bad as we are they are atrocious.
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Why are some folks giving Baker and Clark stick? Did I miss something and they were to blame for the goals?
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Desperately poor, terrifyingly predictable.
Even the slightest suggestion of a new contract for Lambert is an absolute piss-take. I'd rather burn £500 cash on the centre spot in June than get another season ticket with that clown in charge. He makes McLeish look like Guardiola, should have been sacked after Sheffield United.
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There is nothing any manager can do when good players like Delph have a brain freeze.
What about everything else, though?
We were an uninspired mess and lucky to be level at half time,
His tactics are bewildering. We just look an absolute disorganised mess, who, if we get anything, seem to do it despite the way he sends us out to play, not because of it.
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68% possession. ;D
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I feel sorry for the poor buggers that go week in week out- 36k was a decent turnout against west ham, given ours and their circumstances. If you've committed to a ST and have to sit through that shit every other week then my heart goes out to you. I'd be thinking: can I really be arsed to attend home matches? By this point. Last time I had one was Gregory's last season and it was painful towards the end, travelling up from London. We had a half decent side then too. God only knows the motivation that would be required now.
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When it takes 14 passes to move the ball out of your own half, then you are never going to break teams down.
A contract for the manager who presides over the team with the worst home record across the continent beggars belief.
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P.s. I'm getting reay fucked off with us bringing every player back to defend corners. Leave Gabby up and at least two players have to stay back to mark him.
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I hope my sky dish packs up in time for Tuesday.
Its on BT ;)
It runs through my sky dish ;-)
hope it falls off Eric ;)
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I thought we'd got away with 0-0 at half time as west ham looked much more of a threat. Still in the dressing room at the start of the second half. Unforgivable lack of concentration.
Well done to Albrighton - clearly playing for a contract but he did add a spark.
Those thinking we were looking towards Southampton rather than down are sadly mistaken. We will be in it to the end of the season now. I pray we can get Vlaar and Okore playing together in the next month otherwise we will pay the price for not getting more cover in January.
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Teams have figured us out 3 games in a row now where we have conceded 2 goals in quick succession.
Lambert on wm now saying we played well at Everton, I nearly fell off my stool.
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It's like bloody Groundhog Day. Teams sit deep against us for the opening 20 minutes to see what we've got then realise it's nothing. Inevitably chances come, west ham had two good ones before half time to Jarvis. One bit of skill opens us up, 1-0 and for the umpteenth time a cock by US and it's 2-0 in no time. Then we enter shit or bust mode and start going for it but miss chances.
We are in the mire again make no mistake, anybody who things we aren't and are safely 'mid table' are not being realistic.
Lambert should not be there in my opinion but I can see that the club and many supporters want stability. I want a manager who can see the problems and fix them, look at Pulis at palace, he has sorted them out in no time.
We must start approaching home games differently, albrighton should be starting, Gabby should be wider but under lambert that isn't going to happen.
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I thought we'd got away with 0-0 at half time as west ham looked much more of a threat. Still in the dressing room at the start of the second half. Unforgivable lack of concentration.
Well done to Albrighton - clearly playing for a contract but he did add a spark.
Those thinking we were looking towards Southampton rather than down are sadly mistaken. We will be in it to the end of the season now. I pray we can get Vlaar and Okore playing together in the next month otherwise we will pay the price for not getting more cover in January.
bit harsh on albrighton nick. He seems to have been largely overlooked by lambert this season. He came on did very well and forced west ham to go defensive. You can't really have a go at him for trying to make the most of his limited opportunity
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Paul Lambert thinks Aston Villa can take heart from their rally in the last 20 minutes against West Ham at Villa Park today.
Fuck off Lambert.
Brought in to restore our pride.Instead, further cemented us as a bottom six club.
why did I know he would say that
muppet
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I can't quote you Paulie, as my phone will have a fit.
It wasn't good enough, by any means, but the players have to take responsibility too. The two goals were bewildering.
I don't think he picked the right shape or system and I don't think his changes were the right ones after we were two down. There was no need to have two centre halves and two full backs on the pitch, as I have never in all my years ever seen a side defend like West Ham did today.
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With Albrighton rampaging down one wing we looked quite threatening at times in the second half. If we had someone similar on the other side then we'd create bags of chances for Benteke and Holt too if he's on. Slinging crosses into the box isn't exactly cutting edge football but, as Monty says, we just don't seem capable of anything more subtle.
Having said all that, West Ham were sitting back on their lead at the time and it took us the best part of an hour before we made the change that prompted greater attacking intent. For pity's sake, if that's our best ploy then play it right from the off.
But frankly, this was West Ham at home and we really really ought to be able to see them off.
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Has the fucker blamed the wind yet ?
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I don't think I've ever felt more helpless as a Villa fan. The days leading up to the McLeish appointment were grim, but there was still a slight hope we could be pleasantly surprised. At the current moment we're about to sign a manager up for another three years that will lead a defiant charge into the Championship either this season or next.
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Lambert on wm now saying we played well at Everton, I nearly fell off my stool.
We did.
In 2008.
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8/13 home games lost and the disgrace that is Paul Lambert is offered a new contract.
Quite unbelievable.
that is a bad stat - its sackable
thank f**k we are in the cup other wise it would be dire
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Lambert has no idea, we play a narrow system and slow predictable tactics just waiting to get picked off. So it takes 2 goals conceded before any attacking intent.
So lets give the guy a new contract, you know you are in trouble when you reward failure.
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I thought we'd got away with 0-0 at half time as west ham looked much more of a threat. Still in the dressing room at the start of the second half. Unforgivable lack of concentration.
Well done to Albrighton - clearly playing for a contract but he did add a spark.
Those thinking we were looking towards Southampton rather than down are sadly mistaken. We will be in it to the end of the season now. I pray we can get Vlaar and Okore playing together in the next month otherwise we will pay the price for not getting more cover in January.
bit harsh on albrighton nick. He seems to have been largely overlooked by lambert this season. He came on did very well and forced west ham to go defensive. You can't really have a go at him for trying to make the most of his limited opportunity
You're probably right - was being a bit cynical to reflect my mood. He did look very motivated and it's the best I've seen him play for a long time. Certainly deserves a start at Cardiff.
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These home performances simply can't continue under Lambert, no way. No Villa manager should get away with 4 home wins a season particularly as we haven't been any good in 90% of the performances.
Lambert if you want to still be in a job this time next season sign two decent forward thinking central midfielders in the summer.
That was rubbish. West Ham are bottom 3 (pre kick off) with the grand total of 1 away win all season. Yet that was one of the easiest away victories you'll see.
There's never any point in us actually winning games as our worst form seems to come after good victories.
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Has our fearless leader made an appearance yet?
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Lambert on wm now saying we played well at Everton, I nearly fell off my stool.
We did.
In 2008.
Cue leeg posting the video highlights ;)
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With Albrighton rampaging down one wing we looked quite threatening at times in the second half. If we had someone similar on the other side then we'd create bags of chances for Benteke and Holt too if he's on. Slinging crosses into the box isn't exactly cutting edge football but, as Monty says, we just don't seem capable of anything more subtle.
Having said all that, West Ham were sitting back on their lead at the time and it took us the best part of an hour before we made the change that prompted greater attacking intent. For pity's sake, if that's our best ploy then play it right from the off.
But frankly, this was West Ham at home and we really really ought to be able to see them off.
we did ok from it with Tony Morley and Peter Withe ; )
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Lambert on wm now saying we played well at Everton, I nearly fell off my stool.
We did.
In 2008.
Cue leeg posting the video highlights ;)
I hope so. I need a pick-me-up.
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we did ok from it with Tony Morley and Peter Withe ; )
Quite right. Although that was 30+ years ago.
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8/13 home games lost and the disgrace that is Paul Lambert is offered a new contract.
Quite unbelievable.
It's utterly incredible that a manager with a record like that isn't narrowly avoiding the sack, let alone talking about a new contract.
What kind of message does that send? That that sort of record is OK?
I don't know what is wrong with Lerner and Faulkner, whether it's that they're so confident in their "plan" even when the evidence staring you in the face suggests it isn't going to work any time soon, or that they genuinely give so little of a fuck, they think that is acceptable.
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The saddest part is that all this and recent times is quite literally making me lose the will.
I am very almost past 'caring', so so sad that I feel like this but it's the truth. The current reguime Is quite literally driving people away, this in itself is very upsetting.
All I can hope is we are sold to someone who gives a shit, he then employs a CEO with some substance and then sacks this inexcusable useless manger we have. Who, each and every week so far is ready set with his post match excuses
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In 2006, when Lerner came in, I never imagined we'd be clamouring for him to sod off. But the most excited I got during January was when people on Twitter reckoned he was selling.
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I got some stick last week for wanting Lambert out of Villa Park.i see a few more have seen the light now. I Thought we were far worse last week
What is our game plan and tactics? What do they do in training. When the midfield gets the ball there is no movement upfront. Gabby is often just static.
You cant play those three up front. There is no width.Weimann is too deep and a waste of a place. He needs to play alongside Benteke or not at all.
Gabby was poor today.
Albrighton was superb. Not just his crosses but he takes a bloody good corner as well. westwood please note. Albrighton has to play for the next few games in place of Weimann on Tuesday. Give Benteke consistent service and he will score
Centre backs did ok today. Both made goal saving tackles in the first half
Bacuna's passing was abysmal.
Its going to be along old few months until May
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The board are that dumb they will give him a new contract, a payrise and then end up sacking him and paying millions in compensation 6 months later
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If I see Delph try another Cruyff turn in his own half again
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8/13 home games lost and the disgrace that is Paul Lambert is offered a new contract.
Quite unbelievable.
It's utterly incredible that a manager with a record like that isn't narrowly avoiding the sack, let alone talking about a new contract.
What kind of message does that send? That that sort of record is OK?
I don't know what is wrong with Lerner and Faulkner, whether it's that they're so confident in their "plan" even when the evidence staring you in the face suggests it isn't going to work any time soon, or that they genuinely give so little of a fuck, they think that is acceptable.
Its the emperors new clothes scenario.
The evidence is overwhelming.
Lambert still saying we played well at Everton.
Our absolutely diabolical home record.
The complete lack of any tactical awareness.
The new contract for Lamb chop.
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Yes, I think Albrighton deserves a start. Him and Gabby off Benteke.
The question then comes as to who we play in the midfield?
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Including the cups that is now 10 defeats at home this season, Our clueless manger must be close to another unwanted club record if we have'nt already achieved it.
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Paul Lamb chop
Please don't "GO AGAIN" just fkin GO!
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8/13 home games lost and the disgrace that is Paul Lambert is offered a new contract.
Quite unbelievable.
It's utterly incredible that a manager with a record like that isn't narrowly avoiding the sack, let alone talking about a new contract.
What kind of message does that send? That that sort of record is OK?
I don't know what is wrong with Lerner and Faulkner, whether it's that they're so confident in their "plan" even when the evidence staring you in the face suggests it isn't going to work any time soon, or that they genuinely give so little of a fuck, they think that is acceptable.
lerner clearly doesn't give a fuck anymore. Faulkner is still relatively inexperienced in his role. You can't really fault him for that. Whether he has got what it takes to lead a club like Villa remains to be seen. Lambert certainly seems now to be out of his depth, but we're stuck with him, it would appear.
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Where's his interview? Fuck the rugby, I want to hear Pat Murphy give him a grilling.
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Wheres the team that played so well at Anfield a couple of weeks ago? Precise, fluid, quick football....
I really fear for us if we don't get 3 pts at Cardiff.
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Did this present team do something terrible in a previous life????????
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just got home soaked thru the game was dire we were out classed at our own tactic hoof ball
and another 3 years in the pipe line god help us :(
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Well, how we didn't score is beyond me.
How we lost to that is beyond me.
The defending for the first goal is beyond me.
What Delph was doing was beyond me.
How fucking shit our home record is is beyond me.
Why I keep buying a season ticket year after year is beyond me.
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We only lost 1 point off Southampton in race for 9th. Newcastle lost as well. I'm not even looking down. We'll win on Tuesday and everything's fine again.
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We only lost 1 point off Southampton in race for 9th. Newcastle lost as well. I'm not even looking down. We'll win on Tuesday and everything's fine again.
its not though really, is it?
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Where's his interview? Fuck the rugby, I want to hear Pat Murphy give him a grilling.
Pat Murphy came twice during that game, and to hear him tell PL about how much he enjoyed it is something I could live without.
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It was men against boys, schoolboy defending from a team managed and coached by someone only fit for that level.
For 18 months his formations & tactics at Villa Park have FAILED! Yet for some unfathomable reason he still persists in playing at home with no urgency, width or creativity. Couple this with the obligatory gift of goals and it's no surprise we keep getting the same results.
Weimann 'playing in the hole', don't know what or who's hole he was in but it was fucking deep because he was non-existent.
We might be lucky enough to scape though the season but I'm not sure I'll be investing my money again.
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I got some stick last week for wanting Lambert out of Villa Park.i see a few more have seen the light now. I Thought we were far worse last week
What is our game plan and tactics? What do they do in training. When the midfield gets the ball there is no movement upfront. Gabby is often just static.
You cant play those three up front. There is no width.Weimann is too deep and a waste of a place. He needs to play alongside Benteke or not at all.
Gabby was poor today.
Albrighton was superb. Not just his crosses but he takes a bloody good corner as well. westwood please note. Albrighton has to play for the next few games in place of Weimann on Tuesday. Give Benteke consistent service and he will score
Centre backs did ok today. Both made goal saving tackles in the first half
Bacuna's passing was abysmal.
Its going to be along old few months until May
with respect Rudy, last week we were away against an in form Everton side, top 6 or thereabouts with an enviable record at Goodison. Today we were at home against a side that would be comparable to Blues when they were last up. Last week's result was understandable, today's was pretty much unforgivable.
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We only lost 1 point off Southampton in race for 9th. Newcastle lost as well. I'm not even looking down. We'll win on Tuesday and everything's fine again.
Garbage -it's woeful shite served up by a clueless wanker . 3 more years of this - no thanks.
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very very poor. There's no defending that at all. It wouldn't surprise me at all too see Baker and possibly even Lowton gone in the summer. They make mental errors throughout the game. It starts from the back and when we make schoolboy errors it kills almost everything else. Only Delph is really good enough for a starting spot. Bacuna is a solid squad player only. And as for the front three today. Blimey. They all better find first gear against Cardiff because we left the hand brake on today for 90 minutes.
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We had enough chances to win this game today but didn't get the breaks you need. It's a shame that Delph our best player made the dreadful mistake for their second but this was their day today after the Carroll kerfuffle tat went on all week.
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with respect Rudy, last week we were away against an in form Everton side, top 6 or thereabouts with an enviable record at Goodison. Today we were at home against a side that would be comparable to Blues when they were last up. Last week's result was understandable, today's was pretty much unforgivable.
Last week, losing at Goodison was far from unforgiveable. The manner in which we played, though, was pretty unforgiveable, if not the result.
Today the way we played AND the result were unforgiveable. We were lucky to be level at half time. Two outbreaks of comedy defending and we're two goals down. We created absolutely nothing until Albrighton came on, and even then didn't take any of our chances.
Ultimately, we got what we deserved from today - nothing. You just can not play football matches and only turn up for 25 minutes here and there. It just doesn't work that way.
Delph dropped a clanger, yes, but what about the rest of the match? There really wasn't a lot to take heart from.
We have now played 13 home league games and lost 8 of them. That is truly gobsmacking.
We've scored 12 goals at home this season, fewer than everyone else bar Norwich, and 4 of those goals came in one game.
If it weren't for the better away form, we'd be fucked, but let's not get over-excited on that even, we have the 10th best away record in the league. We are far from world beaters on our travels, either.
I want Lambert to work, I want it to go well, but how much longer are we going to carry on smashing records of shitness like this? And it's not as if we've only started this season, we broke a few last season as well.
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I gave him lots of slack.
On our home form alone he should be fired, it is unbelievable that we continuously serve up this crap and the fans keep coming.
Mr owner be positive and make a move, we could not be worse than this with no one in charge.
Failed to plug gaps in window, crap.
clueless in having a formation that is constant and understood.
Time to move on.
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As we walked out I was talking to three blokes who come down from Preston every home match - and I thought I was stupid!
No ST money for you Mr Lerner...
W3 D2 L8
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I sympathise with the stability brigade but if continuity means much more of this its surely too high a price to pay with absolutely no sign or guarantee that it will get better. Off to change my wet sheets again.
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68% possession. ;D
I hope West fans are dishing out dog shit to Allardyce for only having 32%.
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Lambert on wm now saying we played well at Everton, I nearly fell off my stool.
We did.
In 2008.
Cue leeg posting the video highlights ;)
I hope so. I need a pick-me-up.
YouTube have blocked my video, unfortunately.
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That was absolutely atrocious.
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We had enough chances to win this game today but didn't get the breaks you need. It's a shame that Delph our best player made the dreadful mistake for their second but this was their day today after the Carroll kerfuffle tat went on all week.
We were dreadful and got what we deserved- take off your blinkers!
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Yet another totally inept display by players and manager alike. The really surprising thing is we still get gates of c.37,000 to watch that shit every home game. Like other ST-holding mugs I've seen us win just 3 times this season and we're heading for yet another relegation scrap. We've become the new Wigan
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Is it me or do opposing players play Jedi mind tricks on our players because I can't fathom out how not switched on we are at times.
Somewhere in a far off galaxy this team are top of the league
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West ham and nothing. The second half they did absolutely nothing. We gifted them 2 goals. Our lose today was us handing them two goal, we weren't out played. Our shocking home record continues not because we were out played but because of our inability to concentrate for the whole match and keep a clean sheet. west brom was a freak result. You can't go 2-0 down after 8 mins and normally win the game. Today is what normally happens when you concede two goals in the premiere league. And it was out joke defending that gifted it to them. They didn't work hard for it. Didn't pass us off the park for it either.
It's shite football out there at villa park at the moment. I have no pleasure at all coming to watch villa at the moment. The only reason I do is because I've paid for my season ticket so I might as well. The football on shoe is hideous, long ball. I'm not proud of the way we play at all. Do I think we'll go down though? No. We're still not the worst three teams in the league. We can get the results when we need to. It's when we have he inexperienced players at the back that the mistakes are happening. Added to the fact that there's just no movement up front nothing gets created either.
We're good when we counter and it's quick balls. The minute we have to build up and try to break a defence down we just can't do it. There's no movement from out front players at all. It's embarrassing. A game like today was crying out for someone like N'Zogbia. He sees the space to run into or pass into.
Bacuna's crossing was shameful today. Never beating the first man. Albrightons although was brilliant in comparison still wasn't good enough. The likes of Collins in the west ham defence even though he's not the best defender will head those crossed away all day long. Bats the way west ham are set up. We didn't stand a chance against the big guys at the back for west Ham. We came close for sure but at the end of the day we weren't good enough.
Should have been a 0-0 draw if it wasn't for villa switching off for 5 mins after half time.
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We only lost 1 point off Southampton in race for 9th. Newcastle lost as well. I'm not even looking down. We'll win on Tuesday and everything's fine again.
We're shit, just how much convincing do you need? Whoopee do, we might get relegated, we might get 10th. How successfully Mr absent altogether and Mr absent minded have dumbed down expectations.
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We had enough chances to win this game today but didn't get the breaks you need. It's a shame that Delph our best player made the dreadful mistake for their second but this was their day today after the Carroll kerfuffle tat went on all week.
We were dreadful and got what we deserved- take off your blinkers!
No we were not and I was at Villa Park and not wearing blinkers. I am sorry it's my fault as I could have been watching a poor stream and joined the armchair brigade in condemnation.
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I've just viagogo'd my Norwich tickets. Be very lucky to get £10 for the pair :-[
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I hope so. I need a pick-me-up.
YouTube have blocked my video, unfortunately.
Oh well, I'll have to resort to Plan B - hard liquor.
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Has our fearless leader made an appearance yet?
Hoping he appears on Benefit St next week
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I'm sorry, did he actually say "The thing for me was that we were in a bit of form, even though we lost to Everton". 8 defeats in our last 11?
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We had enough chances to win this game today but didn't get the breaks you need. It's a shame that Delph our best player made the dreadful mistake for their second but this was their day today after the Carroll kerfuffle tat went on all week.
We were dreadful and got what we deserved- take off your blinkers!
No we were not and I was at Villa Park and not wearing blinkers. I am sorry it's my fault as I could have been watching a poor stream and joined the armchair brigade in condemnation.
If you feel we were unlucky not to win then I suggest you join mr lambert for a pint to compare notes- the home form is unacceptable and today's performance was very poor.
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he did actually say it wasn't good enough today
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he did actually say it wasn't good enough today
Master of the understatement !
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Well that wasn't very good, albeit a small crumb of comfort is that the Baggies are now right in the shit. Let's give Cardiff a good seeing to on Tuesday and today's debacle will be a distant memory.
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Just home. That was dire. As others have commented, how often does Lambert have to see our weaknesses to get to grips with them? Inept centre backs and no ability to break down teams at home. 8 home defeats this season already. Any other manager would be sacked, without doubt. Never mind all the visionary crap he spouts, he cannot coach the players that he already has. And god bless Marc Albrighton, who was very unlucky not to get us some points with that cross Benteke couldn't be arsed to tap in and his shot off the post.
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View from our manager (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3660153,00.html)
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13 home Games
12 goals 7 of them in 2 matches
Crying out for creativity and we sign Grant Holt..
Helanius why is he even on the bench if we were allowed 7 subs he still not get on pitch.Short of cash where were Tonev and Luna today ,pair of them look an utter waste of cash.
Benteke when was the last time we created a chance from him that wasn't a cross ?
Cardiff now is huge ,win and we give ourselves some breathing space lose and we are fully dragged into it with Fulham and Norwich still to play at home.
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Why are some folks giving Baker and Clark stick? Did I miss something and they were to blame for the goals?
They got away with it first half. West Ham were equally as bad yet should've been 2 up when you think Jarvis was through on goal twice, our playing of the offside trap in the first half was schoolboy standard.
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We had enough chances to win this game today but didn't get the breaks you need. It's a shame that Delph our best player made the dreadful mistake for their second but this was their day today after the Carroll kerfuffle tat went on all week.
We were dreadful and got what we deserved- take off your blinkers!
No we were not and I was at Villa Park and not wearing blinkers. I am sorry it's my fault as I could have been watching a poor stream and joined the armchair brigade in condemnation.
I'm not sure your original post was anything too happy-clappy, but what has you going to Villa park to watch the game got to do with anything? 'The armchair brigade'. Good grief.
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Albrighton aside, it was yet another abject home performance. Lambert's constant praise of the players doesn't help even if he might say differently behind closed doors.
Most of the players he's signed who played are not up to it and he could nearly field a whole team of signings that didn't start today whose level is somewhere below the Premiership.
The build up at home is always laborious involving passes along the back line until the inevitable long ball up towards Benteke.
There is no plan.
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Lambert's tactics - sideways sideways sideways backwards hoof! Sideways sideways sideways backwards hoof!
Repeat.
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We had enough chances to win this game today but didn't get the breaks you need. It's a shame that Delph our best player made the dreadful mistake for their second but this was their day today after the Carroll kerfuffle tat went on all week.
We were dreadful and got what we deserved- take off your blinkers!
No we were not and I was at Villa Park and not wearing blinkers. I am sorry it's my fault as I could have been watching a poor stream and joined the armchair brigade in condemnation.
The performance today was way better than last week at Everton, which just goes to show how bad they were last week.
Villa would look a far better team with James Collins in defence in place of either Clark or Baker (particularly Baker).
At the end of the season, I'd like to hear Lambert say whether or not he wanted to bring in another centre half. If he was prevented from doing so because of lack of funds, then fair enough. If he didn't see the need to do so, then that's it as far as I'm concerned, he should be fired.
Benteke shows flashes of last season's form but I still think that his first touch is generally poor.
Delph was unlucky but should never have had to be the one dealing with the problem (Baker should have done better when he put a weak header out for the initial throw in).
Albrighton really gave it a go when he came on. He put in some great crosses that the strikers should have done better with.
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We slow ball it too much. It was only when Albrighton came on that we got the ball forward, in a none lumped way, and got into dangerous positions. We put in a number of crosses that we should have done better with.
Prior to that though, we are too easy to defend against as we don't play with any tempo.
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There is always someone worse off and Cardiff look dreadful. Rat faced Ole will soon be heading back to Norway with his tail between his legs. If Villa can beat Cardiff and Fulham and Norwich, that'd sort out this season. So, that won't happen then.
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the most depressing thing is 13 more games of this shite to bear. i can only think of the first 45 mins at anfield when i enjoyed watching us this season. the garbage we've had to put up with last 3 seasons is unbelievable.
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We only started to play when we were 0-2 down and it's something that happens far too often .
Why the hell can't we up the tempo from the start and take the game to the opposition rather than sitting back going sideways and backwards - we are the home side and should be on the front foot.
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Wouldn't go in for us today. When Albrighton hit the inside of the post only to see it go for a corner via the keeper's heal you just know your lucks out.
We didn't help ourselves gifting them their second goal, mind.
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We had enough chances to win this game today but didn't get the breaks you need. It's a shame that Delph our best player made the dreadful mistake for their second but this was their day today after the Carroll kerfuffle tat went on all week.
We were dreadful and got what we deserved- take off your blinkers!
No we were not and I was at Villa Park and not wearing blinkers. I am sorry it's my fault as I could have been watching a poor stream and joined the armchair brigade in condemnation.
The performance today was way better than last week at Everton, which just goes to show how bad they were last week.
Villa would look a far better team with James Collins in defence in place of either Clark or Baker (particularly Baker).
At the end of the season, I'd like to hear Lambert say whether or not he wanted to bring in another centre half. If he was prevented from doing so because of lack of funds, then fair enough. If he didn't see the need to do so, then that's it as far as I'm concerned, he should be fired.
Benteke shows flashes of last season's form but I still think that his first touch is generally poor.
Delph was unlucky but should never have had to be the one dealing with the problem (Baker should have done better when he put a weak header out for the initial throw in).
Albrighton really gave it a go when he came on. He put in some great crosses that the strikers should have done better with.
We reportedly had a substantial bid for a player turned down last month so I can't see how he could blame lack of funds when he spent nothing on transfers last month .
He had money but did not spend it.
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Wouldn't go in for us today. When Albrighton hit the inside of the post only to see it go for a corner via the keeper's heal you just know your lucks out.
We didn't help ourselves gifting them their second goal, mind.
Just home and have got friends coming round soon, but pretty much my take on the game.
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There is always someone worse off and Cardiff look dreadful. Rat faced Ole will soon be heading back to Norway with his tail between his legs. If Villa can beat Cardiff and Fulham and Norwich, that'd sort out this season. So, that won't happen then.
You just know Tuesday is the sort of fixture we lose.
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We only started to play when we were 0-2 down and it's something that happens far too often .
Why the hell can't we up the tempo from the start and take the game to the opposition rather than sitting back going sideways and backwards - we are the home side and should be on the front foot.
This is what confuses me. How come we never come out and hit the straps from the start. Put the other team on the back foot. Get a grip on the game. But, no. We tip tap pass it sideways and backwards so that the opposition gain confidence and get themselves sorted. If PL can't motivate them then the coaching staff should. If they can't, then bring in somebody who can.
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Just got home from another day in purgatory. The plain fact is staring in the face anybody with eyes to see and a brain in their heads.
Lambert is no better than McLeish.
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I was gardening all afternoon. I only had to look at the score. I feel blessed.
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Someone else can start the Cardiff pre-match thread.
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I was gardening all afternoon. I only had to look at the score. I feel blessed.
A wise man indeed.
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There is always someone worse off and Cardiff look dreadful. Rat faced Ole will soon be heading back to Norway with his tail between his legs. If Villa can beat Cardiff and Fulham and Norwich, that'd sort out this season. So, that won't happen then.
You just know Tuesday is the sort of fixture we lose.
It's away though!
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I think it is pretty obvious that Lambert is incapable of galvanising the players into decent performances. I would imagine he has little contact with his players on a daily basis.
He proves week after week that he does not have a footballing brain.
What is the point of Paul Lambert?
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an wtf happen there?? I couldn't see anything other than Citeh Norwich and then the score popped up..I crept away in shame. It really hurts so far away from B6.
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Lambert is no better than McLeish.
I don't think Lambert is so defensively minded as TSM, but tactically just as inept.
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I disagree - he is every bit as defensively minded as TSM. He sets teams out not to lose - NOT to win games . His record is disgusting and should be punished.
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Allardyce made a substitution at half tine recognising our defensive frailties.This is not the first time we have witnessed an opposing manager out think Lambert,how nice it would be to have a tacticaaly astute guy on our touchline making game changing decisions in our favour?
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Id be happy with lambert having a positive half time team talk...
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I'm not sure your original post was anything too happy-clappy, but what has you going to Villa park to watch the game got to do with anything? 'The armchair brigade'. Good grief.
Apologies to the forum for that unnecessary outburst but I guess a lot of frustration of the whole afternoon was not helped by reading the post match thread.
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We have all had the wool pulled over our eyes to swallow the club line McLeish bad, Lambert good. Lambert is not a good manager or if he is, he has shown nothing to prove it since taking charge at Villa Park, but he has produced an endless stream of evidence that he is no more competent than Alex McLeish. I do not say it lightly because I love the Villa but that defence today was the worst I have seen in many years. Not only are they unskilled, they are slow and hesitant in everything they do. Clark and Baker are nice, willing lads but they are far too slow for the premiership.
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Someone else can start the Cardiff pre-match thread.
Think the highlight of this afternoon was meeting Legion to purchase H@V, I did warn Legion that I hadent seen us win since Fulham at home in the second half of the McLeish season but its nothing to do with me is it? were just a poor side who are terrified at home, nice to meet you Legion.
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Good to meet you too. As for me, the main highlight was so many people coming up and introducing themselves given the recent bad news.
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My weekend was going so well until 3pm
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My son and I only gave you a wave Lee but it was meant to display solidarity with a mate.
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My son and I only gave you a wave Lee but it was meant to display solidarity with a mate.
I missed that Brian. Sorry.
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Clever (the bastard):
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Good to meet you too. As for me, the main highlight was so many people coming up and introducing themselves given the recent bad news.
It was good to meet you too Lee.
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Brilliant wing play from Downing for the first goal. Wish we had a player as good as that on our wing.
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I'm not sure your original post was anything too happy-clappy, but what has you going to Villa park to watch the game got to do with anything? 'The armchair brigade'. Good grief.
Apologies to the forum for that unnecessary outburst but I guess a lot of frustration of the whole afternoon was not helped by reading the post match thread.
Ah no worries. You can't blame folks being bored of losing at home though.
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It's not so much being bored of losing, it's being bored of being bored.
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Can't take anymore, off to throw myself off the Somerset levels
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I was gardening all afternoon. I only had to look at the score. I feel blessed.
A wise man indeed.
Gardening in an icy force ten gale with sideways sleet? You must have felt like Baker and Clark.
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we might as well write our remaining home games off and just concentrate on away matches, starting on Tuesday
its a ridiculous state of affairs when you are actually more positive about winning away matches against anybody than at home against rubbish teams
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What is Villa's worst ever home record in the PL? Or is this it?
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What is Villa's worst ever home record in the PL? Or is this it?
I can't remember anything as bad as this.
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What is Villa's worst ever home record in the PL? Or is this it?
I can't remember anything as bad as this.
Me neither and it's gone on far too long - totally unacceptable.
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What is Villa's worst ever home record in the PL? Or is this it?
I'm assuming McLeish, 4 wins, 7 draws, 19 points.
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we might as well write our remaining home games off and just concentrate on away matches, starting on Tuesday
its a ridiculous state of affairs when you are actually more positive about winning away matches against anybody than at home against rubbish teams
An additional problem this season is that Hull showed the other struggling teams how to play us at home: set up like the away team and sit deep. Fulham did this as well. Liverpool went to the opposite extreme and thought they could remove a holding midfield player and put on an attacking show.
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What is Villa's worst ever home record in the PL? Or is this it?
I'm assuming McLeish, 4 wins, 7 draws, 19 points.
I think the same. I'll check.
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We have all had the wool pulled over our eyes to swallow the club line McLeish bad, Lambert good. Lambert is not a good manager or if he is, he has shown nothing to prove it since taking charge at Villa Park, but he has produced an endless stream of evidence that he is no more competent than Alex McLeish. I do not say it lightly because I love the Villa but that defence today was the worst I have seen in many years. Not only are they unskilled, they are slow and hesitant in everything they do. Clark and Baker are nice, willing lads but they are far too slow for the premiership.
Brian, I just thank God someone has the same view as me because this is driving me demented. The only thing that every season is about is staying up. Where is the fun or pleasure in that? Get to April or more likely May to find out there were three worse teams than us, a few months off and start again. The manager and the players are just not good enough.
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What is Villa's worst ever home record in the PL? Or is this it?
I'm assuming McLeish, 4 wins, 7 draws, 19 points.
I think the same. I'll check.
I just checked, and it is.
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I'll go with that.
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Jores, Jores, FFS please please get fit asap - and big Ron!!!
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What is Villa's worst ever home record in the PL? Or is this it?
I'm assuming McLeish, 4 wins, 7 draws, 19 points.
I think the same. I'll check.
I just checked, and it is.
11 points from 13 games so far I think , could be on course for another lambert record.
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I've said it before but I want to say it again, because it makes me feel slightly better. We're a club desperately in need of a brain. There's that Einstein quote about the definition of insanity being doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. But I'd say that's also a definition of stupidity. At the moment, we're like Laurel and Hardy, the stupid leading the stupid. Nobody knows when to stop and say, whoah, this shit ain't working.
There's a sad naivety about us, like a very old man whose mind is going, we refuse to admit the mistakes we're making. We think we can carry on as normal, but everybody else can see if we carry on driving the car like this, sooner or later we're going to crash.
It's sad because we all know that Lambert is only still at the club for two reasons. 1) We're doing the bare minimum to survive (so far), and he's bought into the 'plan'; and 2) We're petrified of sacking the manager, because we know we're hopeless at appointing new ones. I mean, can any of us really stomach another embarrassing manager search courtesy of Lerner and Faulkner?
We're in a sorry mess and, until we find someone with a brain to sort it all out, it could get much sorrier.
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If only we knew how weak we were at the start of January, then, if there was any sort of desire to do so, we could have done something about it...
We're shit, and we know we are. Hoping for three worse teams again and they're not currently all that obvious.
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Trivia question. Without cheating! When did we last win 10 home league games in a season?
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When John Gregory took over?
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After that.
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It's not so much being bored of losing, it's being bored of being bored.
Yes. It is the certain knowledge of what a performance is going to yield, which we can all see yet the very highly paid staff cannot. Having just watched Liverpool hammer Arsenal by starting fast, I sorta hoped our shower would do the same, since they also must have been watching TVs. But right from minute one it was sideways sideways misplaced pass hoof, then they all fell asleep at half time.
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I was really disappointed with our support today, which was really dire. I know what was being served up didn't particularly warrant any excitement or applause but we were very quiet and eager to get on their backs, even during the first half when we were still at 0-0, which I thought wouldn't be so bad after the West Brom game.
Just a thought, but we really need to stop waiting for something to sing about, and instead give the team something to play for. There's more than just footballing reasons why teams love coming to Villa Park.
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After that.
Houllier?
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Having been to the match, watched a nicely-developing England team demolish the Scots and camed down, I feel I can post now.
Firstly, the result was bad news. Clark and Baker - that well-known local comedy act - delivered on expectations.
The irony is that: Benteke could easily have had a second half hat-trick; Albie demonstrated again that he should have been in the starting line-up as a useful outlet; and, we once again showed how easily we can be beaten by a very limited opposition. The Spammers exploitation of their wingers in the first half was embarrassing in the extreme.
My concern with Lambert is that he does not seem to see the obvious weaknesses.
Westwood, Bertrand, Delph (in parts) and Albie looked good; several others were poor.
But in the end we spurned loads of opportunities to score; that's the bottom line.
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After that.
Houllier?
Before that.
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SGTII?
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After that.
Houllier?
Before that.
MON, surely.
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SGTII?
We've done it once since his full season, we won 11 at home in 02/03.
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After that.
Houllier?
Before that.
MON, surely.
Which season though?
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What is Villa's worst ever home record in the PL? Or is this it?
I'm assuming McLeish, 4 wins, 7 draws, 19 points.
I think the same. I'll check.
I just checked, and it is.
11 points from 13 games so far I think , could be on course for another lambert record.
I will be amazed if we get the 9 points necessary to break McLeish's hideous record
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02-03.
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02-03.
We've done it once since then, under Pubey.
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After that.
Houllier?
Before that.
MON, surely.
Which season though?
Mmmmm I think 2008/09 was the closest we came to cracking the top 4 so I'd guess that one.
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Before checking, that would have been my guess but no. We won 7 at home that season.
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Spill the beans please. I have a head-ache now.
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07/08. We won 10. The only time we've managed it since 02/03 (11 wins in the season SGT got booed by wankers who claim to support this club). We really are crap at home regardless of who is in charge or how much money is spent.
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07/08. We won 10. The only time we've managed it since 02/03 (11 wins in the season SGT got booed by wankers who claim to support this club). We really are crap at home regardless of who is in charge or how much money is spent.
I remember that vividly. I sent SGT a letter about the letter I had printed in the E&S. He was gracious enough to send me a reply on his last day in the job. Top, top man.
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When will Lambert stop this ridiculous idea of playing narrow at home. When Albrighton came on we looked a different side if i can see it why can't he. The reason Lambert won't be sacked is because he and Lerner are on the same page, get the wages down and then he will get some money to spend. I dont criticise Clark because when Vlaar is with him he is adequate but i'm afraid Baker should never get a gig in the first team, third dividion quality at best.
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The worrying thing is, West Ham are really abysmally shite...yes, SHITE! and we still looked worse than them! Please, Randy get rid of PL asap!! Even Steve Bruce or Pulis could do a better job. Fact is, apart from Benteke and Okore, the only decent players left are the ones you inherited ( Albrighton, Delph, Clark). Worrying times indeed!!
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Jores, Jores, FFS please please get fit asap - and big Ron!!!
I saw him outside the North Stand after the game. He looked fine and was walking normally, so he can't be that far off.
Incidentally he was wearing a full track suit but with shoes on. He looked most peculiar.
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I go to about 6/7 home games a season, the last time I saw us win at home was against Fulham in the Mcleish season, the time before that was Mcleish's first home game in charge against Blackburn, so fuckin depressing.
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Good to meet you today Leeg.
What a shit performance/result!
This was West fu**ing Ham for God's sake!
They're shit!
Without their shit striker!
And their fans will be going home singing their socks off thinking we are a truly shit team and a pushover!
Like a lot of teams over the last 3 seasons.
It hurts like f**k, dunnit?
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We are worse than the West Ham of that football troglodite of Big Sam Allardyce, then.
It speaks volumes about how crap is Paul Lambert and how he is driving to the hell.
Once I was a fan of him, bur at Norwich he was all another kind of manager, 4-3-1-2 formation, entertaining, attacking, passing gootball, things like that. . .
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What is Villa's worst ever home record in the PL? Or is this it?
I'm assuming McLeish, 4 wins, 7 draws, 19 points.
I think the same. I'll check.
I just checked, and it is.
11 points from 13 games so far I think , could be on course for another lambert record.
Risk of stating the obvious but that is fecking atrocious
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I don't care if Jores was naked with slippers on - he can't be any worse than the current CB's!!
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Slight aside, but walked up past the church and the bible bashers to the game today to then hear "heroes and villains, brand new issue , last season ever".
I almost inhaled my hot dog and died. Wtf is going on !
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Dave has decided to go digital only as of next season. There will be two further hard copies for the rest of this season then digital only apart from a couple of compendiums of the best on-line articles.
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Thats a real shame love the paper version.
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Lambert on wm now saying we played well at Everton, I nearly fell off my stool.
We did.
In 2008.
Cue leeg posting the video highlights ;)
I hope so. I need a pick-me-up.
YouTube have blocked my video, unfortunately.
Noooo. That video was priceless memories.
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I was really disappointed with our support today, which was really dire. I know what was being served up didn't particularly warrant any excitement or applause but we were very quiet and eager to get on their backs, even during the first half when we were still at 0-0, which I thought wouldn't be so bad after the West Brom game.
I'm not having a go here but I am sure some people like me have just been worn down by years of crap being served up. I actually think a lot of Villa are aware enough to realise the Olbiun game was a freak game and that "normal service" would be resumed fairly promptly. When Villa fans are given something to get behind we are great - look at Marc today - we got right behind them and cheered him (especially) when the effort was made. Some made special effort to show appreciation of Joe Bennett coming on after injury and there were words exchanged with the few who booed him. There were 36,000 there again ( 33,000+ Villans) - wait 'til that drops off if you want to experience "disappointment" with support.
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Lambert on wm now saying we played well at Everton, I nearly fell off my stool.
We did.
In 2008.
Cue leeg posting the video highlights ;)
I hope so. I need a pick-me-up.
YouTube have blocked my video, unfortunately.
Noooo. That video was priceless memories.
I think there is another one which has not (yet) been blocked. Give me a minute...
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P.s. I'm getting reay fucked off with us bringing every player back to defend corners. Leave Gabby up and at least two players have to stay back to mark him.
I said the same thing during the game. There was one corner where only Weimann was outside the box and we broke away and he slipped the ball into Benteke who's first touched deserted him (and not for the first time today). Gabby should be left up, it makes sense really.
As for the game, two sloppy goals in as many minutes has cost us again and although we might have got something out of it had we pulled one back, it wasn't good enough really. We shouldn't be losing to poor teams like that.
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I was really disappointed with our support today, which was really dire. I know what was being served up didn't particularly warrant any excitement or applause but we were very quiet and eager to get on their backs, even during the first half when we were still at 0-0, which I thought wouldn't be so bad after the West Brom game.
I'm not having a go here but I am sure some people like me have just been worn down by years of crap being served up. I actually think a lot of Villa are aware enough to realise the Olbiun game was a freak game and that "normal service" would be resumed fairly promptly. When Villa fans are given something to get behind we are great - look at Marc today - we got right behind them and cheered him (especially) when the effort was made. Some made special effort to show appreciation of Joe Bennett coming on after injury and there were words exchanged with the few who booed him. There were 36,000 there again ( 33,000+ Villans) - wait 'til that drops off if you want to experience "disappointment" with support.
Thought the fans were a bit quiet but the football was woeful and the wind and the rain was sapping of all spirit and life to be honest.
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I was really disappointed with our support today, which was really dire. I know what was being served up didn't particularly warrant any excitement or applause but we were very quiet and eager to get on their backs, even during the first half when we were still at 0-0, which I thought wouldn't be so bad after the West Brom game.
I'm not having a go here but I am sure some people like me have just been worn down by years of crap being served up. I actually think a lot of Villa are aware enough to realise the Olbiun game was a freak game and that "normal service" would be resumed fairly promptly. When Villa fans are given something to get behind we are great - look at Marc today - we got right behind them and cheered him (especially) when the effort was made. Some made special effort to show appreciation of Joe Bennett coming on after injury and there were words exchanged with the few who booed him. There were 36,000 there again ( 33,000+ Villans) - wait 'til that drops off if you want to experience "disappointment" with support.
Thought the fans were a bit quiet but the football was woeful and the wind and the rain was sapping of all spirit and life to be honest.
I think the last 2 years home performances have done that mate.
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07/08. We won 10. The only time we've managed it since 02/03 (11 wins in the season SGT got booed by wankers who claim to support this club). We really are crap at home regardless of who is in charge or how much money is spent.
I remember that vividly. I sent SGT a letter about the letter I had printed in the E&S. He was gracious enough to send me a reply on his last day in the job. Top, top man.
I said that point to that there a certain % of our support at home that gets on the players backs no matter what and got slagged off for it. Villa park should be a cauldron of noise houllier got dogs abuse for touching the badge at anfield when going back as villa manager. Yet what would say withe or Mortimer or shaw have done if they had ever come back to villa as opposing managers exactly the same you no it and so do I. It was houlliers team that came back against Milan.
I was there when sgt got booed and couldn't believe what I was hearing. Also I was there the night when the Gary shaw song ended with "he does fuck all" when the early 80/81 team was in demise. But know one will ever admit to singing it bit like the 6,000 manure fans that chanted "fergie out" in 86 at villa park.
It's shit at the moment and don't I know it and it's probably going to get worse before it gets better but that's life.
We ain't dining at the top table of football anymore but a cauldron of noise would be a start wouldn't it.
Slag me off as you feel guys I can take it
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I was really disappointed with our support today, which was really dire. I know what was being served up didn't particularly warrant any excitement or applause but we were very quiet and eager to get on their backs, even during the first half when we were still at 0-0, which I thought wouldn't be so bad after the West Brom game.
I'm not having a go here but I am sure some people like me have just been worn down by years of crap being served up. I actually think a lot of Villa are aware enough to realise the Olbiun game was a freak game and that "normal service" would be resumed fairly promptly. When Villa fans are given something to get behind we are great - look at Marc today - we got right behind them and cheered him (especially) when the effort was made. Some made special effort to show appreciation of Joe Bennett coming on after injury and there were words exchanged with the few who booed him. There were 36,000 there again ( 33,000+ Villans) - wait 'til that drops off if you want to experience "disappointment" with support.
Thought the fans were a bit quiet but the football was woeful and the wind and the rain was sapping of all spirit and life to be honest.
I think the last 2 years home performances have done that mate.
True enough to be fair.
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Why would you get slagged off for that?
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I was really disappointed with our support today, which was really dire. I know what was being served up didn't particularly warrant any excitement or applause but we were very quiet and eager to get on their backs, even during the first half when we were still at 0-0, which I thought wouldn't be so bad after the West Brom game.
Just a thought, but we really need to stop waiting for something to sing about, and instead give the team something to play for. There's more than just footballing reasons why teams love coming to Villa Park.
Really unfair that to be honest mate. Our away support is magnificent and is the hardcore fan base but our home support has had to deal with the almightiest shit storm and pay through the nose with it. Our home performances and results deserve a lot less than the fans give them
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200 mile round trip in foul weather to watch that inept excuse for entertainment. I can't see why Lambert can't see what 90% of the fans can:
No width
No creative midfield
Poor defence.
Why doesn't Albrighton start?
Why was Lucuna not subbed?
Credit to the Villa fans - very passive about the faecal material served up at VP & more so then manager.
Back to the wine.
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07/08. We won 10. The only time we've managed it since 02/03 (11 wins in the season SGT got booed by wankers who claim to support this club). We really are crap at home regardless of who is in charge or how much money is spent.
Aye we weren't great at home under MON either. That was the only season out of his 4 when we even reached 10 home wins. As a comparison in 09/10 Spurs won 14/19 at home.
10/19 is just over 50% so just above average. We're even a million miles off that at present. I too can't see us even getting an extra 8 points at home to be as bad as we were under McLeish.
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Thanks for attending Preston. It's appreciated. I left on 80 mins and was back home in the warmth by 515pm.
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I got some stick last week for wanting Lambert out of Villa Park.i see a few more have seen the light now. I Thought we were far worse last week
What is our game plan and tactics? What do they do in training. When the midfield gets the ball there is no movement upfront. Gabby is often just static.
You cant play those three up front. There is no width.Weimann is too deep and a waste of a place. He needs to play alongside Benteke or not at all.
Gabby was poor today.
Albrighton was superb. Not just his crosses but he takes a bloody good corner as well. westwood please note. Albrighton has to play for the next few games in place of Weimann on Tuesday. Give Benteke consistent service and he will score
Centre backs did ok today. Both made goal saving tackles in the first half
Bacuna's passing was abysmal.
Its going to be along old few months until May
with respect Rudy, last week we were away against an in form Everton side, top 6 or thereabouts with an enviable record at Goodison. Today we were at home against a side that would be comparable to Blues when they were last up. Last week's result was understandable, today's was pretty much unforgivable.
The negative tactics of last week against a weakened team were totally unacceptable
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07/08. We won 10. The only time we've managed it since 02/03 (11 wins in the season SGT got booed by wankers who claim to support this club). We really are crap at home regardless of who is in charge or how much money is spent.
With respect, that's balls.
We've ranged from decent to indifferent home form under the likes of Gregory, Taylor MKII, O'Leary and O'Neill.
The last two managers have presided over abysmal home form. One lost his job over it and the current one probably should do too, if the owner had any interest or backbone.
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'Fit as a butcher's dog' never thought it would come true again..shite n shite..cost me a packet today.
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200 mile round trip in foul weather to watch that inept excuse for entertainment. I can't see why Lambert can't see what 90% of the fans can:
No width
No creative midfield
Poor defence.
Why doesn't Albrighton start?
Why was Lucuna not subbed?
Credit to the Villa fans - very passive about the faecal material served up at VP & more so then manager.
Back to the wine.
If you are the fella I spoke to in the Holte car park I should have said how much I respect you doing that trip - I only travel 30 miles - respect and commiserations ;-)
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Respect to you preston, and to think i was moaning about my 60 mile trip, lambert is getting lots of patience shown to him, but my god its well depressing!:/
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My son drives me 200 miles to every game at Villa Park and another 130 round trip his house to mine. He is probably just getting home. I am NOT saying we are better fans. Just tireder.
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I've said it before but I want to say it again, because it makes me feel slightly better. We're a club desperately in need of a brain. There's that Einstein quote about the definition of insanity being doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. But I'd say that's also a definition of stupidity. At the moment, we're like Laurel and Hardy, the stupid leading the stupid. Nobody knows when to stop and say, whoah, this shit ain't working.
There's a sad naivety about us, like a very old man whose mind is going, we refuse to admit the mistakes we're making. We think we can carry on as normal, but everybody else can see if we carry on driving the car like this, sooner or later we're going to crash.
It's sad because we all know that Lambert is only still at the club for two reasons. 1) We're doing the bare minimum to survive (so far), and he's bought into the 'plan'; and 2) We're petrified of sacking the manager, because we know we're hopeless at appointing new ones. I mean, can any of us really stomach another embarrassing manager search courtesy of Lerner and Faulkner?
We're in a sorry mess and, until we find someone with a brain to sort it all out, it could get much sorrier.
Wise words, James.
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Utter, utter shit. Without Vlasr, that defence isn't Premier League quality and has no leadership whatsoever. These failings were known to us all but Lambert chose not to address them. More fool him.
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I used to do just short of a 400 mile round trip. For various reasons, now I'm 150 miles closer I can very rarely go at all. I've been on the train to Worcester a couple of Saturdays when there's a home match on and seen it packed with Villa fans and genuinely thought 'how the fuck do you lot keep motivated to go all that way?' I should have been feeling jealous. I just feel let down by what the club ever has done ever since that arse MON left. Before really. Probably after we gazumped Wigan to buy MFH. Or sold Cahill to buy Knight.
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200 mile round trip in foul weather to watch that inept excuse for entertainment. I can't see why Lambert can't see what 90% of the fans can:
No width
No creative midfield
Poor defence.
Why doesn't Albrighton start?
Why was Lucuna not subbed?
Credit to the Villa fans - very passive about the faecal material served up at VP & more so then manager.
Back to the wine.
If you are the fella I spoke to in the Holte car park I should have said how much I respect you doing that trip - I only travel 30 miles - respect and commiserations ;-)
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Not me I'm afraid. However I'll guess my 200 mile round trip is only 6-8 times per year. Some on here go every week!
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Put me down for a 180 mile round trip. I think I know every square inch of Tarmac on the M6.
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I said it after the transfer window shut that we were a few injuries and few shite results away from being right back into the thick of the relegation battle. Randy and Lambert made the gamble at that stage and it seems to have backfired since. Going to be another tricky run into the end of the season for us.
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witton....think that was me in Tesco car park....2 mugs travel from preston every game!
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I travel precisely 6 miles there and 6 back so admire all of you who travel a long way to support the team. Thank you.
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I've said it before but I want to say it again, because it makes me feel slightly better. We're a club desperately in need of a brain. There's that Einstein quote about the definition of insanity being doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. But I'd say that's also a definition of stupidity. At the moment, we're like Laurel and Hardy, the stupid leading the stupid. Nobody knows when to stop and say, whoah, this shit ain't working.
There's a sad naivety about us, like a very old man whose mind is going, we refuse to admit the mistakes we're making. We think we can carry on as normal, but everybody else can see if we carry on driving the car like this, sooner or later we're going to crash.
It's sad because we all know that Lambert is only still at the club for two reasons. 1) We're doing the bare minimum to survive (so far), and he's bought into the 'plan'; and 2) We're petrified of sacking the manager, because we know we're hopeless at appointing new ones. I mean, can any of us really stomach another embarrassing manager search courtesy of Lerner and Faulkner?
We're in a sorry mess and, until we find someone with a brain to sort it all out, it could get much sorrier.
Wise words, James.
Wise words indeed.
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I met som eone today who had made a 12,000 mile round trip. Beat that.
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I met som eone today who had made a 12,000 mile round trip. Beat that.
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Clubs/Club_Home/2010/4/6/1270581794340/Randy-Lerner-001.jpg)
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I caught the train there and got a lift back. I'm unsure of the mileage.
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My travel is with 3 under 10s who do my nut in after dross like that :-[
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My cousin came all the way from Canada to see this utter dross . The sad thing was he wasn't surprised
Utter shit Villa, as is the norm but has now somehow become completely acceptable
A disgrace
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200 mile round trip in foul weather to watch that inept excuse for entertainment. I can't see why Lambert can't see what 90% of the fans can:
No width
No creative midfield
Poor defence.
Why doesn't Albrighton start?
Why was Lucuna not subbed?
Credit to the Villa fans - very passive about the faecal material served up at VP & more so then manager.
Back to the wine.
If you are the fella I spoke to in the Holte car park I should have said how much I respect you doing that trip - I only travel 30 miles - respect and commiserations ;-)
Not me I'm afraid. However I'll guess my 200 mile round trip is only 6-8 times per year. Some on here go every week!
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What is it with Preston and Villa? ;-)
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Strange how we haven't reached high tide yet with all the happy clappers clubbing together. What time is that expected to occur? I need to put the sandbags out.
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I met som eone today who had made a 12,000 mile round trip. Beat that.
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Clubs/Club_Home/2010/4/6/1270581794340/Randy-Lerner-001.jpg)
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Who is that? Can I have a clue please?
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He's some kind of American illusionist I think.
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I know people are saying there are worse teams than us but I'm worried, Norwich picked up a good point today, we've got them at home, we've got Cardiff, Newcastle away. In March we've got man United, man city and Chelsea can't see us getting anything and were only 4 points clear of relegation
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I met som eone today who had made a 12,000 mile round trip. Beat that.
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Clubs/Club_Home/2010/4/6/1270581794340/Randy-Lerner-001.jpg)
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The club could do a great half time competition,guess the block Paul Lambert thinks Randy is sitting in.
1st prize a season ticket for next season.
2nd prize Austin Maestro GL.
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Lerner needs to get a proper football brain in at board level. Normally, any Manager with a record of 8 home defeats from 13 matches (only 11 points from 39) would've been sacked by now. Stupid, stupid January transfer window with no real investment in the squad. For the sake of maybe £10M on 2 decent signings, Lerner is content to risk halving the value of his main asset - brainless, idiotic logic - economics of a man who is totally out of touch!!
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I met som eone today who had made a 12,000 mile round trip. Beat that.
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Clubs/Club_Home/2010/4/6/1270581794340/Randy-Lerner-001.jpg)
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The club could do a great half time competition,guess the block Paul Lambert thinks Randy is sitting in.
1st prize a season ticket for next season.
2nd prize Austin Maestro GL.
I am fairly sure Simon Callow disnae gae ta tha fitba.
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We had enough chances to win this game today but didn't get the breaks you need. It's a shame that Delph our best player made the dreadful mistake for their second but this was their day today after the Carroll kerfuffle tat went on all week.
We were dreadful and got what we deserved- take off your blinkers!
No we were not and I was at Villa Park and not wearing blinkers. I am sorry it's my fault as I could have been watching a poor stream and joined the armchair brigade in condemnation.
what a silly post .
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We had enough chances to win this game today but didn't get the breaks you need. It's a shame that Delph our best player made the dreadful mistake for their second but this was their day today after the Carroll kerfuffle tat went on all week.
We were dreadful and got what we deserved- take off your blinkers!
No we were not and I was at Villa Park and not wearing blinkers. I am sorry it's my fault as I could have been watching a poor stream and joined the armchair brigade in condemnation.
what a silly post .
Sometimes you need to be at the game to get the vibe.
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I met som eone today who had made a 12,000 mile round trip. Beat that.
If it was Randy did you tell him about Fucking time
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We had enough chances to win this game today but didn't get the breaks you need. It's a shame that Delph our best player made the dreadful mistake for their second but this was their day today after the Carroll kerfuffle tat went on all week.
We were dreadful and got what we deserved- take off your blinkers!
No we were not and I was at Villa Park and not wearing blinkers. I am sorry it's my fault as I could have been watching a poor stream and joined the armchair brigade in condemnation.
what a silly post .
We were absolutely dire. We didn't have a shot on target till just under an hour of football?
I saw excellent seats going for £10 and still wasn't tempted. I was warm and toasty on my armchair this afternoon thanks. My stream was excellent, top quality. I'll go when i cba that's the perks of not being a ST holder.
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I met som eone today who had made a 12,000 mile round trip. Beat that.
If it was Randy he needs a new chauffeur, as it should only be a 6,000 - 7,000 mile round trip from New York. His driver is taking the piss on the mileage allowance.
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We had enough chances to win this game today but didn't get the breaks you need. It's a shame that Delph our best player made the dreadful mistake for their second but this was their day today after the Carroll kerfuffle tat went on all week.
We were dreadful and got what we deserved- take off your blinkers!
No we were not and I was at Villa Park and not wearing blinkers. I am sorry it's my fault as I could have been watching a poor stream and joined the armchair brigade in condemnation.
what a silly post .
Sometimes you need to be at the game to get the vibe.
Six games i've been to this season and we haven't won any of them. Those vibes ey, although there's nothing better than being at the match regardless of the result.
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I've read through most of the posts here with the immediate post match ones showing the inevitable frustrations and the later ones more considered.
Me I still feel strangely numbed. I was at the game today and can't understand the views including lamberts that we were "fine" in the first half. To me we created nothing and were vert fortunate to go in level. But I took heart that we hadn't conceded and felt sure we would come out fired up for the second half. How wrong I was. Wet Spam looked like the home team for the first half and till they were 2-0 up. We didn't start to try playing till then.
I recognise the limited budget and quality of the players but they are all Lamberts choice. If he can't motivate them - and clearly he can't - until we are two down there is
Little hope. The weaknesses are recognised by all on here why not lambert?
I can see ST sales massively down in starting with mine. I don't mind the long journey and recognise that outside the top six which we now demonstrably are we have zero chance of glory but I expect effort, passion and an attempt to play football. Strangely PL sees this every home game but I rarely do. Maybe I'm in the wrong seats?
I do think there are 3 worse teams but I can't take much more
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10/1 to go down with will hill this morning.
We're the outsiders in a eleven horse race.
Not sure how though.
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I've read through most of the posts here with the immediate post match ones showing the inevitable frustrations and the later ones more considered.
Me I still feel strangely numbed. I was at the game today and can't understand the views including lamberts that we were "fine" in the first half. To me we created nothing and were vert fortunate to go in level. But I took heart that we hadn't conceded and felt sure we would come out fired up for the second half. How wrong I was. Wet Spam looked like the home team for the first half and till they were 2-0 up. We didn't start to try playing till then.
I recognise the limited budget and quality of the players but they are all Lamberts choice. If he can't motivate them - and clearly he can't - until we are two down there is
Little hope. The weaknesses are recognised by all on here why not lambert?
I can see ST sales massively down in starting with mine. I don't mind the long journey and recognise that outside the top six which we now demonstrably are we have zero chance of glory but I expect effort, passion and an attempt to play football. Strangely PL sees this every home game but I rarely do. Maybe I'm in the wrong seats?
I do think there are 3 worse teams but I can't take much more
well, I posted earlier that I thought we were toothless in the first half but in the second the Beast should have had a hat trick. Through the game, we did only have one shot on target, but we had 10 off, of which two strikes were on the woodwork. We also had over 60% possession.
The frustration for me was that in the first half, if Weimann and Gabby had run the channels a little more, and got wide more often, we'd have had more chance to really open up the flaky Hammers defence. Instead, we were horribly static upfront and I really didn't get what Weimann's brief was.
We were poor, but we could and should have won that game with something to spare.
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10/1 to go down with will hill this morning.
We're the outsiders in a eleven horse race.
Not sure how though.
16-1 last week you wonder what we might be if we lose at Cardiff. Fulham, Sunderland and I'm hoping a win for us at Cardiff makes them the third worse team than us.
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P.s. I'm getting reay fucked off with us bringing every player back to defend corners. Leave Gabby up and at least two players have to stay back to mark him.
Chelsea have 2 or 3 players near the halfway line which means that 3/4 opposition players have to stay back. But hey, Mourinho's tactics or Paul Lambert's? It's tricky, no?
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The board are that dumb they will give him a new contract, a payrise and then end up sacking him and paying millions in compensation 6 months later
Gabby is an extremely limited footballer. Without his pace he has little else. His value is predominantly most effective away from home when teams have to attack us leaving space for him to exploit. His movement is awful at home, he doesn't have the nous to move into space or make runs.
In 2 or 3 years time when his pace dwindles he will be struggling to get a game in the top 2 divisions.
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We had enough chances to win this game today but didn't get the breaks you need. It's a shame that Delph our best player made the dreadful mistake for their second but this was their day today after the Carroll kerfuffle tat went on all week.
We were dreadful and got what we deserved- take off your blinkers!
No we were not and I was at Villa Park and not wearing blinkers. I am sorry it's my fault as I could have been watching a poor stream and joined the armchair brigade in condemnation.
what a silly post .
Sometimes you need to be at the game to get the vibe.
That's partly true but in this case, or indeed most home games for the last 3-4 years, that vibe is all too obvious, whether you're sat in the Holte or sat at home distracting yourself with the pop ups of naked ladies which are interrupting your stream.
I imagine the negative vibe around Villa Park is one of the few things which are visible from space.
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I have concluded that a sizeable percentage of the Villa support have accepted that we are likely to be mediocre for most of the time. Its what we expect Im afraid. For months before Pat and Doug took over the club in the late sixties it was exactly like this.
I personally couldnt care less whether Lerner is there or not. It doesnt matter.
However Lambert has got away with with these performances for so long I just dont know. Unless the season ticket holders refuse to renew
en masse I cannot see how things will change.
Its all very depressing isn't it?
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My view exactly RM I am just another old timer who does not care one way or another if Lerner owns the club or not. It does not matter. What matters is what goes on on the pitch in matches.
While we have a manager who goes through the motions of being "modern" and "progressive" and allows twenty passes to be made without gaining a yard of ground and then, not having gained a yard of ground launching to ball forward, we will be no hopers.
Managers like Lambert see how the top, top sides string passes together and assume that is all you have to do but there is infinitely more to it than that. Passing the pall sideways without penetration is like steak and chips without the steak. Once Marc came on yesterday possession became a platform for penetration. You have to have players with the skills to get behind the opposition and make them defend their goal facing it like we were doing most of the first half and the first ten minutes of the second. Rocket science it ain't.
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There was a worry amongst a significant number of us after the TSM season that Lerner might, due to this apparent apathy, not wield the axe. If we continue our slide and are relegated, or close to, without the fans backing Lambert will not survive either. If it is indeed true that he has had money and chosen not to spend it, we may get the injection we need as well as a new manager. Be positive!
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There was a worry amongst a significant number of us after the TSM season that Lerner might, due to this apparent apathy, not wield the axe. If we continue our slide and are relegated, or close to, without the fans backing Lambert will not survive either. If it is indeed true that he has had money and chosen not to spend it, we may get the injection we need as well as a new manager. Be positive!
It's hard to be positive when you've just witnessed our 8th defeat in 13 home games.
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It bothers me that we were poor in the first half but came out for the second unchanged. It makes me think as long as it's 0-0 Lambert will do nothing even if we are being outplayed by a club below us. It shouldn't be like that.
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It bothers me that we were poor in the first half but came out for the second unchanged. It makes me think as long as it's 0-0 Lambert will do nothing even if we are being outplayed by a club below us. It shouldn't be like that.
I thought we were very fortunate to go in at 0-0 . How many corners did we give away in the first half? I lost count.
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We had enough chances to win this game today but didn't get the breaks you need. It's a shame that Delph our best player made the dreadful mistake for their second but this was their day today after the Carroll kerfuffle tat went on all week.
We were dreadful and got what we deserved- take off your blinkers!
No we were not and I was at Villa Park and not wearing blinkers. I am sorry it's my fault as I could have been watching a poor stream and joined the armchair brigade in condemnation.
what a silly post .
Sometimes you need to be at the game to get the vibe.
Six games i've been to this season and we haven't won any of them. Those vibes ey, although there's nothing better than being at the match regardless of the result.
I admit Ive only been to 4 games and it would have been nice to get one point , I did see a goal against Newcastle thou .
And I admit Ive turned down 4 games free of charge .
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I've read through most of the posts here with the immediate post match ones showing the inevitable frustrations and the later ones more considered.
Me I still feel strangely numbed. I was at the game today and can't understand the views including lamberts that we were "fine" in the first half. To me we created nothing and were vert fortunate to go in level. But I took heart that we hadn't conceded and felt sure we would come out fired up for the second half. How wrong I was. Wet Spam looked like the home team for the first half and till they were 2-0 up. We didn't start to try playing till then.
I recognise the limited budget and quality of the players but they are all Lamberts choice. If he can't motivate them - and clearly he can't - until we are two down there is
Little hope. The weaknesses are recognised by all on here why not lambert?
I can see ST sales massively down in starting with mine. I don't mind the long journey and recognise that outside the top six which we now demonstrably are we have zero chance of glory but I expect effort, passion and an attempt to play football. Strangely PL sees this every home game but I rarely do. Maybe I'm in the wrong seats?
I do think there are 3 worse teams but I can't take much more
well, I posted earlier that I thought we were toothless in the first half but in the second the Beast should have had a hat trick. Through the game, we did only have one shot on target, but we had 10 off, of which two strikes were on the woodwork. We also had over 60% possession.
The frustration for me was that in the first half, if Weimann and Gabby had run the channels a little more, and got wide more often, we'd have had more chance to really open up the flaky Hammers defence. Instead, we were horribly static upfront and I really didn't get what Weimann's brief was.
We were poor, but we could and should have won that game with something to spare.
could have done but didnt again
dont forgot Downings miss kick and his other chance , Jarvis had a good and bacuna blocked off the line , Lambert set it up wrong AGAIN and we deserved nothing , again got beat at home by a poor side.
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MotD (http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/aston-villa-0-west-ham-2-motd/)
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I met som eone today who had made a 12,000 mile round trip. Beat that.
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Clubs/Club_Home/2010/4/6/1270581794340/Randy-Lerner-001.jpg)
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Who is that? Can I have a clue please?
I've started calling him 'the ironically named owner', because he never seems to ****ing learn!
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Unbelieveably, no strike that, believeably poor (if you've been unfortunate to have an ST).
I've been on the fence about Lambert but I am sick to death of seeing;
1) A 3 man front line you can throw a blanket over they are so close - Guys the pitch is wider than the fucking 18 yd box.
How much space is there on the flanks - I have sympathy for whoevers at LB and RB as when they get the ball and look up theres no option.
2) Why do we need 11 players back to defend a corner - FFS Lamber put one player in the centre circle and take 2 of theirs out.
No lets get everyone back and have 100% of the pressure on our team (as they've proved they can handle it - NOT) then when we do clear lets give the oposition time to put the ball back in.
Someone said earlier insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. I know 4-4-2 isnt "fashionable" but what we've tried for the last 2 season hasnt worked so can we not at least try or even just start with it and give Albrighton a go.
One final point. I now Gabby is Villa through and through but everytime we give him the armband he has a shit game. We so badly needed an experienced leader out there yesterday it was excrutiating to watch. Give it to Delph, give it to Guzan, fuck give it to Clark but not Gabby just becuase he's the most senior.
Still only 6 more games to go......
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Unbelieveably, no strike that, believeably poor (if you've been unfortunate to have an ST).
I've been on the fence about Lambert but I am sick to death of seeing;
1) A 3 man front line you can throw a blanket over they are so close - Guys the pitch is wider than the fucking 18 yd box.
How much space is there on the flanks - I have sympathy for whoevers at LB and RB as when they get the ball and look up theres no option.
2) Why do we need 11 players back to defend a corner - FFS Lamber put one player in the centre circle and take 2 of theirs out.
No lets get everyone back and have 100% of the pressure on our team (as they've proved they can handle it - NOT) then when we do clear lets give the oposition time to put the ball back in.
Someone said earlier insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. I know 4-4-2 isnt "fashionable" but what we've tried for the last 2 season hasnt worked so can we not at least try or even just start with it and give Albrighton a go.
One final point. I now Gabby is Villa through and through but everytime we give him the armband he has a shit game. We so badly needed an experienced leader out there yesterday it was excrutiating to watch. Give it to Delph, give it to Guzan, fuck give it to Clark but not Gabby just becuase he's the most senior.
Still only 6 more games to go......
Point 2 - I'm sure we've scored from breaking out from corners previously from not having anyone forward. Arsenal being one.
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Mourinho always has two players up when defending corning - just saying
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200 mile round trip in foul weather to watch that inept excuse for entertainment. I can't see why Lambert can't see what 90% of the fans can:
No width
No creative midfield
Poor defence.
Why doesn't Albrighton start?
Why was Lucuna not subbed?
Credit to the Villa fans - very passive about the faecal material served up at VP & more so then manager.
Back to the wine.
If you are the fella I spoke to in the Holte car park I should have said how much I respect you doing that trip - I only travel 30 miles - respect and commiserations ;-)
Not me I'm afraid. However I'll guess my 200 mile round trip is only 6-8 times per year. Some on here go every week!
What is it with Preston and Villa? ;-)
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Good place to be a Villa supporter - 100 miles down the M6 - easy! I just never went back after leaving the Midlands but cant let go of the apron strings! My son deserves a big pat on the back - Lancashire born but Villa through & through despite the lure of Man Ure, Citeh etc.
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One final point. I now Gabby is Villa through and through but everytime we give him the armband he has a shit game. We so badly needed an experienced leader out there yesterday it was excrutiating to watch. Give it to Delph, give it to Guzan, fuck give it to Clark but not Gabby just becuase he's the most senior.
When Vlaar's out, Delph or Guzan should be captain.
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Haven't won back to back at home for 3 years or something...why should yesterday be different.
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Lambert singled out Allbrighton for having an impact when he came on, fair enough he was my man of the match.Whats the odds though he starts KEA next match and Mark is on the bench.
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One final point. I now Gabby is Villa through and through but everytime we give him the armband he has a shit game. We so badly needed an experienced leader out there yesterday it was excrutiating to watch. Give it to Delph, give it to Guzan, fuck give it to Clark but not Gabby just becuase he's the most senior.
When Vlaar's out, Delph or Guzan should be captain.
I don't think it makes any difference who the captain is in football. It means very little in reality.
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I've read through most of the posts here with the immediate post match ones showing the inevitable frustrations and the later ones more considered.
Me I still feel strangely numbed. I was at the game today and can't understand the views including lamberts that we were "fine" in the first half. To me we created nothing and were vert fortunate to go in level. But I took heart that we hadn't conceded and felt sure we would come out fired up for the second half. How wrong I was. Wet Spam looked like the home team for the first half and till they were 2-0 up. We didn't start to try playing till then.
I recognise the limited budget and quality of the players but they are all Lamberts choice. If he can't motivate them - and clearly he can't - until we are two down there is
Little hope. The weaknesses are recognised by all on here why not lambert?
I can see ST sales massively down in starting with mine. I don't mind the long journey and recognise that outside the top six which we now demonstrably are we have zero chance of glory but I expect effort, passion and an attempt to play football. Strangely PL sees this every home game but I rarely do. Maybe I'm in the wrong seats?
I do think there are 3 worse teams but I can't take much more
well, I posted earlier that I thought we were toothless in the first half but in the second the Beast should have had a hat trick. Through the game, we did only have one shot on target, but we had 10 off, of which two strikes were on the woodwork. We also had over 60% possession.
The frustration for me was that in the first half, if Weimann and Gabby had run the channels a little more, and got wide more often, we'd have had more chance to really open up the flaky Hammers defence. Instead, we were horribly static upfront and I really didn't get what Weimann's brief was.
We were poor, but we could and should have won that game with something to spare.
could have done but didnt again
dont forgot Downings miss kick and his other chance , Jarvis had a good and bacuna blocked off the line , Lambert set it up wrong AGAIN and we deserved nothing , again got beat at home by a poor side.
Agreed, but at 0-0 we also missed two gilt-edged chances (Westie and Gabby) to net and at 0-2 we could have gone on and scored a bagful.
My problem is that we all seem to be able to identify the issues - static attackers, pointless side passes, lack of width, an absence of defending from the front, players not on form and playing in roles in which they seem to have no idea what's expected of them, an apparent absence of good communicating between one defender and the next - but Lambert's coaching staff do not.
Where is the improvement? - that's the biggest concern.
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Square, square, square, square, hoof!
Paul Lambert's plan A. Plan B is to bring on Holt and forget the square bit. An unmitigated shambles.
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Just watching Gaz Baz playing for Everton. He never ever misses a pass and is so calm in possession. Just having him alone in our side this season would have made so much difference.
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Spot on Mr E.
We can blame Baker, Westwood, Gabby, whoever as much as we like, the fact is the leadership, direction, input, motivation, tactics, ideas, encouragement, from the manager is non-existent.Two lumps up front yday, they had 2 lumps at the back, we, the players, manager, had no idea of how to break them down, completely devoid of inspiration or ideas.Useless manager, i'd have anybody instead of him tbh.
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Spot on Mr E.
We can blame Baker, Westwood, Gabby, whoever as much as we like, the fact is the leadership, direction, input, motivation, tactics, ideas, encouragement, from the manager is non-existent.Two lumps up front yday, they had 2 lumps at the back, we, the players, manager, had no idea of how to break them down, completely devoid of inspiration or ideas.Useless manager, i'd have anybody instead of him tbh.
He's lost in a battle of managerial wits this season with Big Sam, Tony Pulis, and Mark Hughes, which says a lot. The only games I felt Lambert got tactically right were Arsenal (A), Liverpool (A) and probably West Brom (A). The other victories relied on a huge deal of good fortune and more luck than judgement.
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Massive disappointment in a game that should have been targeted for 3 points, and now puts uneccesary pressure on two games with Cardiff and Norwich. Man City might be good enough to give teams goal starts week after week, be we certainly aren't.
Fair to say that we've been unfortunate to a point in that Vlaar and Okore have missed parts of the season, as I think they would potentially be a solid enough centre-back pairing (although given Vlaar's injury record, Lambert is naive to think we can get a full season out of him).
Gabby is Villa through and through, but isn't a captain (I seem to remember when TSM gave him the job after Stan fell ill that he said "I can't wait for the season to end" - hardly the sort of thing a captain should be coming out with.
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My view exactly RM I am just another old timer who does not care one way or another if Lerner owns the club or not. It does not matter. What matters is what goes on on the pitch in matches.
While we have a manager who goes through the motions of being "modern" and "progressive" and allows twenty passes to be made without gaining a yard of ground and then, not having gained a yard of ground launching to ball forward, we will be no hopers.
Managers like Lambert see how the top, top sides string passes together and assume that is all you have to do but there is infinitely more to it than that. Passing the pall sideways without penetration is like steak and chips without the steak. Once Marc came on yesterday possession became a platform for penetration. You have to have players with the skills to get behind the opposition and make them defend their goal facing it like we were doing most of the first half and the first ten minutes of the second. Rocket science it ain't.
Spot on, possession in our half with a dozen passes before losing the hoof ball into the other half is the tactics of a clueless manager who seems incapable of accepting what's in front of him.
Talking about Villa were OK the last 20 minutes when the Spam defended deeper confident we wouldn't score when we were useless the preceding 70 minutes are the comments of a despairing manager. He should be subject to the Laudrop treatment by Lerner, not given a new contract.
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The club try and put a positive spin on our position saying we're doing better than last season but counting our two cup defeats we've lost TEN matches at home already this season, and it's only early February. Even if we ultimately finish half way in this season's crazy Premier League on the back of our away record, I can see a lot of season ticket holders not renewing in the summer. Our position in the table just doesn't reflect what we see at Villa Park. I'm struggling to recall consistently worse home performances in 45 years of watching the Villa. It is rubbish.
Now Joe Bennett's fit again and clearly back challenging for a first team spot judging by his introduction yesterday Lambert can potentially and realistically field a back four of Lowton, Clark, Baker and Bennett. That is a truly frightening thought.
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Lambert singled out Allbrighton for having an impact when he came on, fair enough he was my man of the match.Whats the odds though he starts KEA next match and Mark is on the bench.
yes I honestly dont think he is into Marc , he wanted HIS signing to work out and obviously most have been poor , I cant see Tonev ever being a prem regular and going back to Villa old boys kinda looks like he has to suck egg ( is that a saying )
I mean he has spent now £41 millon added to the players already here Gabby , Delph , Albrighton , Clark , Baker and the so called young lads coming through you would think he can beat the like of Sheff Utd at home .
Its funny , I didnt think Marc would make it as a Prem regular and was happy to see him go a year ago , Is he good enough ? I dont know but I do know
he tried hard yesterday and put most the team to shame to be honest , shows what we have become.
Will he start next game . I have not got a clue with Lambert . I cant work Lambert out . I wanted him to work , I wanted him as a manger for us , maybe I was desperate after TSM but he is not what we need and I would get rid in summer.
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I think the Liverpool 2-2 draw (a game we should've won) threw all of us. Just prior to that was the Sheff Utd debacle following not long after the Palace shocker. People at the time (me included) were quite rightly seething. I do really fear we'll drop this time. 8 home defeats out of 13 is pathetic. If we can pair Okore and Vlaar in March we might stand a chance.
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What is Villa's worst ever home record in the PL? Or is this it?
I'm assuming McLeish, 4 wins, 7 draws, 19 points.
I think the same. I'll check.
I just checked, and it is.
Last season's must run it close. I doubt we've ever had a manager with such appalling consecutive seasons home records.
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Aye, last season was 5 wins and 5 draws at home so 20, just 1 more point than the McLeish season.
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I'm disappointed with yesterday's result we really need to beat Cardiff now and it was freezing yesterday at the match.
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PL is getting an easy ride from the fans, because falconer appointing Alex Mccleish
Where exactly did falconer come from what are his credentials within football?
PL again like mccleish was lured by the bigger club, but most his signings aren't good enough to wear the shirt. Mccleish had no chance from the start coming from the blues, stupid appointment, appoint a bloke tell him to get the wage bill down sell players. how naïve of falconer to advise lerner of this proposition.
The only way Lerner will do anything, is when the season tickets fall through the floor.
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Fergetit..Concentrate on whippin Cardiff!! Maybe?
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One final point. I now Gabby is Villa through and through but everytime we give him the armband he has a shit game. We so badly needed an experienced leader out there yesterday it was excrutiating to watch. Give it to Delph, give it to Guzan, fuck give it to Clark but not Gabby just becuase he's the most senior.
When Vlaar's out, Delph or Guzan should be captain.
I don't think it makes any difference who the captain is in football. It means very little in reality.
I agree wholeheartedly with that.
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Couldn't understand why Gabby played so far forward.
He's dangerous with the ball at his feet (if his first "touch of an elephant" lets him control it at all!) so we need to play him deeper so he can attack their midfield/defence, like he did at Lpool and Arse, first game of the season, Norwich away last season.
Opposition defences show a real fear of him but yesterday he played with his back to them most of the time, waiting for the ball to his feet, so it was easy for them to contain a potential threat that never materialised.
Not Gabby's fault, but clueless tactics from the KO.
Albrighton completely changed the run of the game almost single-handedly from the moment he came on.
Using the width of the pitch, getting crosses in and attacking a team intent on defending - with a bit more nous/luck we could have had 3 or 4 after Marc came on.
And an Albrighton fan I am not!
And why is Baker so intent on intimidating/clattering the striker, rather that just winning the ball and getting on with clearing the danger?
I used to do that when I played on a Sunday morning. The EPL it wasn't!
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And an Albrighton fan I am not!
And why is Baker so intent on intimidating/clattering the striker, rather that just winning the ball and getting on with clearing the danger?
I used to do that when I played on a Sunday morning. The EPL it wasn't!
Yoda, be more patient with young master like Marc he must. Especially for a teacher yourself you are, are you not?
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And an Albrighton fan I am not!
And why is Baker so intent on intimidating/clattering the striker, rather that just winning the ball and getting on with clearing the danger?
I used to do that when I played on a Sunday morning. The EPL it wasn't!
Yoda, be more patient with young master like Marc he must. Especially for a teacher yourself you are, are you not?
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And an Albrighton fan I am not!
And why is Baker so intent on intimidating/clattering the striker, rather that just winning the ball and getting on with clearing the danger?
I used to do that when I played on a Sunday morning. The EPL it wasn't!
Yoda, be more patient with young master like Marc he must. Especially for a teacher yourself you are, are you not?
Day off it is. ;-)
Just trying to hit the GCSE Creative Writing criteria for Band 3 and above.
Although really a D grade student if I keep ticking all these shitty little boxes I can squeeze a C.
(and that's not a euphemism!)
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I have not read what others have said so these are my views without being clouded by others' comments. Very disappointed by the result but more so by the performance. There look to be too many players going through the motions when we are level and only come to life when we go behind. Perhaps this is why he has brought Holt in so as to try and get some passion into their game. Sometimes players (especially young players) can relate better to an experienced player giving them a b********* rather than a coach or manager.
Both goals were down to defensive mistakes. The first with Baker being drawn to the ball and leaving Nolan unmarked. This was a basic stupid mistake as he had tracked Nolan into the area as the attack developed and then left him free for a simple tap in. He had to leave the two Villa defenders who the West Ham player beat to try and recover as Guzan would have covered a shot from a tight angle. This is one of Baker's biggest failings and being dragged away out of position inevitably leaves unmarked players in very dangerous positions. Delph's mistake was something that the coach's have to get on top of. He is getting caught too many times trying to turn with the ball in dangerous positions. He had two simple balls to play in that position, a lay off to Lowton or a pass back to Guzan for either to clear.
We seem to be passing the ball around at the back for the sake of passing, rather than doing it for constructive reasons. What gets me mad (and this has gone on for as long as I can remember) is players passing square but rather than playing the ball in front of the receiver, they play it behind them. This means that by the time they have controlled the ball and turned, there is a player on them and they either pass it back to Guzan or pass the ball back to where it has come from.
I think if we are going to play 4-3-3 (or slight variation of) at home we need to play it with width and that means having a natural wide player or a player with pace. If Gabby does not want to play this position or Lambert does not want to play him in this position, Weimann has to be the one who is sacrificed. In the short term, Albrighton (somebody I do not rate for a number of reasons) could come in. At least his urgency lifts the pace of the game. We do not have players with sufficient skill to play a slow paced game. Weimann can then be brought on later in the game and play a variety of roles as the game requires. I have no issue with him playing in a 4-3-3 away from home. Alternatively, you could leave Gabby. If he was not still carrying and injury yesterday, I would drop him for the next home game as his performance was well below what is required. He does not have the best football brain but he looked as though he couldn't be ar***.
Rotation of the same faces is not doing it. We need some urgency and freshness in the team. Sometime you can do this by eith bringing in an enthusiastic youngster or playing a player out of his normal position e.g. a defender in midfield who gets stuck in. Having seen Bennett come on yesterday and if he is fully fit, playing him on the left of the midfield could give the side something different.
The stupid thing about yesterday was that as poor as we were 1st half and having conceded two goals early in the second half, we could have pulled a result out of the game with a bit of good fortune. If the Albrighton shot had gone in, the result could have been so different.
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old man, Lambert played Bennett left midfield at Swansea last season and he was a disaster - not necessarily the lad's fault - he seemed to have no idea where he was playing/why/to do what?
Agree with a good deal of what you say though.
Things ain't working and we need to change something - Gabby/Albrighton wide? To create some kind of threat which we simply don't do trying to go through the middle.
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Old man you raise some valid points but he plays 4-3-1-2 at home with no width. He doesn't believe in wingers and believes the full backs should provide width. Lowton is no Walker as Bennett / Luna is no Ashley Cole (you have to pay for quality). I have said it before Wiemann is a natural striker, being asked to play in a rigid system.
The only reason he changed it yesterday was because he knew Benteke could not win every ball against a huge west ham defence. It was the typical 60/70 mins. change.
West Ham the team of hoof ball played with two wingers. God forbid if Carroll played.
He will not change his belief at full backs supply the ammo.