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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on February 07, 2014, 07:02:11 PM
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Saturday 8.2.14 @2pm (KO 3pm).
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Any team news yet? Is Gabby fit?
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Guzan, Lowton, Clark, Baker, Bertrand, Bacuna, Westwood, Delph, Weimann, Benteke, Agbonlahor (c)
subs: Steer, El Ahmadi, Sylla, Helenius, Albrighton, Holt, Bennett.
Swap Vlaar for Baker and thats more or less our strongest side imo
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ASTON VILLA TEAM NEWS
Team to play West Ham: Guzan, Lowton, Clark, Baker, Bertrand, Bacuna, Westwood, Delph, Weimann, Benteke, Agbonlahor
Subs: Steer, El Ahmadi, Sylla, Helenius, Albrighton, Holt, Bennett
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Gabby in up front. Bacuna midfield. Lowton and baker at the back.
Looks either a return to the 4312 or the 433
The 4312 has worked well of late but it could be too narrow to play against a team like west ham.
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Or I guess it could be bacuna and gabby wide with Weimann off benteke?
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Gabby's back. That's brilliant.
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WHU: Adrian, Demel, Tomkins, Collins, McCartney, Nolan (c), Noble, Taylor, Jarvis, C.Cole, Downing
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Doesn't fancy Clark as captain anymore?
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No Reid for West Ham. That's probably a bigger loss for them than Carroll.
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west hams look like a championship team ;)
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Oh no. That shit-stirrer Pat Murphy is at VP.
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Got to fancy us to score against that side.
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Interesting to see Bennett back over Luna on the bench.
We've got to be beating West Ham. Their side is utterly piss poor.
Got work to do in a bit so sadly won't be able to see this. Hopefully I'll get a nice surprise when I check later.
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Glad to see we're not playing 5 at the back, come on Villa we need to win this game.
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West Ham have kept the most clean sheets in the league. The early goal is crucial today and if we get it, I'm predicting a 3-1.
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Cole Collins or Downing are sure to score.
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Glad to see we're not playing 5 at the back, come on Villa we need to win this game.
Could conceivably be 5 with Bacuna and Bertrand at wing back and Lowton as a third centre half.
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Well I hope not.
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Lambert needs to be careful here. He might win the game if he's not careful.
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Good to see Bennett on the bench, he's better than Luna in my opinion, but not as good as Bert.
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didnt notice Bennett . cool , I remember my boro mates really rated him . Must be a player in there ( eventually )
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with our defence today, we just have to attack with purpose. and make sure our midfield 3 don't get overrun of course
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I'm afraid the defence fills me with dread, but, come on you Villa boys!
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Delph should be captain.
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Win Villa, just win and play well.
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Man, I miss Vlaar.
And Okore.
And Laursen.
And Mellberg.
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Is Dave playing today?
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3-0 villa today.
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Trevor sinus Francis is co commentator....quite a good omen usually....we win a few games when he's chatting.
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We better attack these otherwise i'll be annoyed.
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Has the ball touched the ground yet?
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oh joy! Trevor Francis on commentary..
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Fucking hell Bacuna get your head up.
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Both corners from Westwood haven't been the usual floaters to the back corner of the box. He's whipping them in. Good sign.
West Ham sitting deep too.
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Good start. No boofing, keeping the ball, moving off it and looking for the options. Also the full backs are getting forwards, giving us width.
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We're trying to pass it around which is encouraging.
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Anyone spotted Lerner incognito in the crowd yet. Wearing a red and white stripey T-shirt maybe.
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Southampton beating Stoke. Sunderland down to 10 men.
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Bejesus but the Wet Spam are boring...
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Anyone spotted Lerner incognito in the crowd yet. Wearing a red and white stripey T-shirt maybe.
I spotted him. Holte End L block, sat right by the exit, wearing claret and blue balaclava, holding up a big 'For Sale' sign.
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We're trying to pass it. But we do look very narrow. West ham are just going to sit in there. It's not working when we try to force balls in behind given their defence and the conditions
I think bacuna is going to need to help provide some width on the right. The forwards need to pull wide too. Could be a frustrating game
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Palace beating the bitters. Ince for them.
Hull 1-0 against Sunderland.
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when you play these sort of teams you need that No 10 / playmaker
but we know that
still should win 3-0
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Fucking Baker, why do we give away stupid free-kicks all the time.
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This is going to be a long afternoon, West Ham sitting back with 2 tight banks of four and trying to play on the counter, 'forcing us' to take the game to them and break them down.
Watching us play, we don't move the ball fast enough, we need more 1 touch football so that we can move them around more to create space and run through them with maybe a quick 1-2 on the edge of their area. If only we had that creative no 10!
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Baker is a bit of a cart horse isn't he?
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Fucking Baker, why do we give away stupid free-kicks all the time.
Because Dean is a shit ref who'll give a free kick every time Cole falls on his arse.
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I can't see a villa team without vlaar keeping a clean sheet so we definitely need to score.
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Hmmm we're letting them get too many corners now.
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Awful from Gabby.
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terrible control gabby
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Awful Gabby.
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oh gabby that is really really shite
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Terrible Gabby after excellent work from Andi.
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ffs sorry what a ball as well from andi
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What a ball by Weiman then
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I'm gonna say that the wind put doubt in gabby's mind there. But every time he does something like that you're reminded why he's not an England player
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turning into a scrappy affair says the commentator
dont be silly
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We've already ran out of ideas.
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oh dear
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downing missing sitter i think
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Downing should of scored
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what the fuck is downing doing
we were lucky there
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Worrying, but hilarious.
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Think Betrand is ok, but that came from Lowton's inability to ever get in the right position.
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i wouldnt have been able to stomach that
1-0 downing scoring
thank fook hes shite
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We've already ran out of ideas.
This.
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Why is Trevor Francis always the co-commentator for our home games? To be fair, he is OK, but it just grates anyway.
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Lucky to get away with that.
Good example of why we needed that creative midfielder, this, can't open them up
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spammers on top
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Struggling to see what Lambert's game plan is here for breaking West Ham down.
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This is poor, we're producing nothing.
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Apart from one breakaway, we haven't created anything
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All West Ham apart from the odd break...can't let these idiots dominate
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What a pussy downing can be. That was a sitter. But they keep on getting in down the channels and they will score from it at some point
We need a goal. And we need to vary our play more. It's too windy to go direct. I think we need to work it wide more to get into crossing positions.
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By golly, we're dreary.
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As many predicted this is really poor football, utter garbage stuff so far.
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Lucky to get away with that.
Good example of why we needed that creative midfielder, this, can't open them up
been saying it for years ;(
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Bit more urgency please villa
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ffs villa
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Good challenge Cieran....we're being opened up way too easily.....as usual
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Very good defending by Clark, but we look piss poor now.
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Looking second best and devoid of ideas.
Again.
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They look like scoring more than Villa so far, we've no creativity at all
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we look like the away team again
so why cant we win much then at home ;)
another chance for spammers
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defence is awful
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Fucking hell our defence is shambolic.
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Useless floaty fuckiing corners. Every time
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Bloody hell what are the defence doing....another last ditch tackle....could of been 3-4 down already to this bunch.
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Every time Vlaar doesn't play we can't defend for shit, and it's inexcusable.
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Living dangerously, giving the ball away, poor movement, no ideas, can't pass, no guile, foul throws. It's business as usual, then.
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another foul throw oh dear
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Jarvis keeps getting behind Lowton. Time and time again. And cole is stretching baker.
Our shape doesn't look right. We're so so narrow.
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Fucking play better Villa.
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Francis: "Clearly.......... (waits for decision)...... no deflection. Right decision."
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Bloody hell where's our right back?
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I wanted us to sign Joe Ledley and he's after going and scoring for Palace today. He'd have added some bite to our midfield for a tiny outlay.
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We really are fucking hopeless at tines
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If we persist with poor players we will go down.
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lots of possession but cant break down the opposition as usual for Villa at home says the commentator
shame Lambert dont know this
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This is very, very easy for West Ham.
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Lowton is fucking terrible defensively, him and Baker haven't learnt at all from their time in the side.
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What the hell is that Leandro. Again we have so many players who can't do the basics.....fast becoming a joke.
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Francis bang on about Benteke needing wide service onto his head for goals. Been saying it for fooking ages.
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Where are our full backs this afternoon?
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After 30 minutes Benteke has realised he has to come deep and help play!
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If we haven't scored by half time, the Spammers are going to fancy they can win this
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good shot by delph at last
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good shot by delph at last
Should have played Bertrand through instead.
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Mike Dean....Cole goes down....free kick.
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Oh dear - all sounds very familiar. I kinda feel sorry for the individuals who bought my tickets on Viagogo - this type of performance justifies my decision to "cut and run" for the rest of the season. Lambert ain`t the answer to our problems.
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good shot by delph at last
Should have played Bertrand through instead.
or a simple pass to Benteke
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good shot by delph at last
Should have played Bertrand through instead.
probably right . i just wanted a bloody effort on goal ;(
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No new contract
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Mike Dean....Cole goes down....free kick.
It's because it's really naive defending.
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Oh dear - all sounds very familiar. I kinda feel sorry for the individuals who bought my tickets on Viagogo - this type of performance justifies my decision to "cut and run" for the rest of the season. Lambert ain`t the answer to our problems.
Let's extend his contract...
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I keep on saying this, but the constant chopping and changing of formations really doesn't help our pattern of play. To make this formation work We need to work out when the full backs should push on, when bacuna and Delph need to pull wide, and when one of the forwards does. We also need to work out how to put better pressure on the ball to stop Jarvis and cole spinning in behind our defence onto some pretty straight forward passes
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We should be on top in fixtures like these. Lots of work to be done.
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good shot by delph at last
Should have played Bertrand through instead.
probably right . i just wanted a bloody effort on goal ;(
Hehe totally understandable.
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I really don't like Lowton, I just think he's dump.
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Tekkers is proper pissed
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I really don't like Lowton, I just think he's dump.
Good going forward though. It doesn't help that both full backs are exposed.
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Bacuna picks out the wrong pass on so many occasions
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Our midfield is once again doing very little to control the game.
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I think we might need to see albrighton come on. We haven't got much else in terms of options to vary the play.
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Does anyone here own a pet? If so, what kind of pet? I'll start. I own a cat.
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I really don't like Lowton, I just think he's dump.
Good going forward though. It doesn't help that both full backs are exposed.
I would have to say ok going forward.
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Afternoon gents, how we doing? Usual garbage?
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mOTD last on
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This game is really, really poor.
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Zzzzzz
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I really don't like Lowton, I just think he's dump.
Good going forward though. It doesn't help that both full backs are exposed.
I would have to say ok going forward.
On his day he's very good going forward. Sunderland at home last season?
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Fucking hell Baker should never be allowed to pass the ball, dire.
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close from westwood
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That's a yes then
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oh shit thats unlucky from Westy
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Our midfield is once again doing very little to control the game.
We have a midfield!
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if gabby had hit it like that earlier
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Today really is a day where we need a more creative midfielder in there. Westwood's playing neatly, Delph is being energetic, but we need a player to play more intelligent passes forward. We should also have our forwards wider, because we're just allowing Wham to bunch up the way we're playing.
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Terrible from Betrand there.
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We need to push Gabby out to the left 2nd half, he's been utterly anonymous so far.
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I really don't like Lowton, I just think he's dump.
Good going forward though. It doesn't help that both full backs are exposed.
I would have to say ok going forward.
On his day he's very good going forward. Sunderland at home last season?
One game in every 10 though....and everyone was good that game, it was a dreadful Sunderland. A good full back going forward is Zabaleta for me.
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Our midfield is once again doing very little to control the game.
I don't see a midfield.
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Without a doubt they are working on Lowton's clueless defensive positioning
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I agree. Albrighton for Lowton. 4231 with albrighton and gabby wide.
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downing fucked that again
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Afternoon gentlemen.
Soooooo.......we're looking pretty awful again, then. Not exactly an advert for the Premier League, it is?
On the bright side, at least Westwood seems to be getting back into some decent form and doing what he does quite well. And Weimann and Clark are doing OK, too.
On the down side......everything else. Dreadful stuff.
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well we have the fantastic Lambert talk at half time to come
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We're too slow on the ball too often
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Clark and Baker nearly fucked us there.
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Another tedious 45 minutes - poor to watch :(
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Some high quality comedy defending there, Bramble would have been proud.
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this is poor
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Erm, we look bloody awful at the back!
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I don't think the midfield is the problem today (ie I don't think it's Delph or Westwood or bacuna problem.
The problem today, for me, is the narrowness, the lack of quality on the ball in attacking areas (ie in the front three) and our defence. Lowton and baker in particular
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We're being out-tacticked by Allardici.
How embarrassing.
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Really poor first half and once again highlighted our negligence in the transfer market. If Vlaar gets injured our defence is complete chaos and also we have zero ability to create anything.
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We veer from dreary to desperate with alarming authority.
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Urgh, how deeply tedious.
The slightly worse of two boring, ugly teams.
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C'mon lads, that has to be our crap 45 out of the way....better, precise passing guys and we'll knock a couple pass these.
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First half = Usual home performance.
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I don't think the midfield is the problem today (ie I don't think it's Delph or Westwood or bacuna problem.
The problem today, for me, is the narrowness, the lack of quality on the ball in attacking areas (ie in the front three) and our defence. Lowton and baker in particular
I agree with this. It would be Bacuna, if anyone, who's been the weaker link in midfield, but even he's just been a bit slow on the ball rather than terrible. We need more creativity and more width. More fucking width. It's not that hard.
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We need to win this, lose and we're right back in the shit again. Earn your money Lambert ffs.
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Well that wasn't very good was it.
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I don't think we've been as bad as we often are. We've tried to pass - just we get to the final third and all of a sudden everyone stops moving.
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We only seem to find tempo, and purpose, when we go behind. Very much the problem, and positives, of a young team.
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I don't think the midfield is the problem today (ie I don't think it's Delph or Westwood or bacuna problem
It's another game where I can't see for the life of me what type of player Bacuna actually is. He's clearly decent, but where should he play? I don't think he's that good a right-back, and he always seems to get lost in a midfield three, and he's not quick enough to be an attacking midfielder.
I'd say he would be best as an out and out, Beckham-style right-midfielder, which we could use to reasonable effect, probably.
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Tom Ince scoring shows what we missed out on. We have no natural width, and the 3 up front is fine if they stretch wide, but they don't.
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The only positive I can find is that we can't play much worse than that in the second half.
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After that half i hope Lerner has the ink drying on that new contract for Lambert.
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I fear that if West Ham score first we'll not be able breakdown 10 men behind the ball unless we get a penalty
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Hell is having to watch this Villa, forever and ever.
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I don't think the midfield is the problem today (ie I don't think it's Delph or Westwood or bacuna problem
It's another game where I can't see for the life of me what type of player Bacuna actually is. He's clearly decent, but where should he play? I don't think he's that good a right-back, and he always seems to get lost in a midfield three, and he's not quick enough to be an attacking midfielder.
I'd say he would be best as an out and out, Beckham-style right-midfielder, which we could use to reasonable effect, probably.
I think the most effective is behind the front 2, or wide in the front 3. But at the moment in a 3 man midfield we need a dominant figure with Westwood and Delph, Bacuna isn't that.
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Bacuna really struggles with composure, but to be frank we have absolutely no idea in the final third.
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Albrighton destroyed these three years ago. Give him a game, Lambert.
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Same old usual rubbish
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Westwood is playing perfectly fine, I think. His job is sit a bit deeper, play one or two-touch passes, spread it a bit, try and make interceptions when we lose it, and for me he's done that just fine. Delph's job is to be more aggressive, up-and-down, driving into space and so forth. Neither of them is really a final-third midfielder, but they're either being forced to try final balls from deep, shoot, or step into the attacking midfield position where they're not really comfortable. And Bacuna is really just a substitute Delph, not a final third player.
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Crying out for a spark. Get Albie and Gardz on, maybe a bit of young spunk will do the trick.
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We're passing better than usual, but we look utterly clueless as to how we can break them down.
We have absolutely zero width, either.
I'm also concerned at how often the full backs are giving them loads of space, Lowton in particular. If I were a betting man (or, more precisely, if I had more money to bet with), I'd have a few quid on Jarvis to score. He seems to be getting into a lot of space.
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get charlie on , we need his free kick . oh ;(
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We're passing better than usual, but we look utterly clueless as to how we can break them down.
We have absolutely zero width, either.
I'm also concerned at how often the full backs are giving them loads of space, Lowton in particular. If I were a betting man (or, more precisely, if I had more money to bet with), I'd have a few quid on Jarvis to score. He seems to be getting into a lot of space.
I have only watched 10 minutes and been screaming at Lowton to close up
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In a game like this, we either need to find a way to be more creative, which I think means Albrighton as we haven't got anyone else. The front three just don't have the technical skills to help us break a team down.
Or it means going long ball. The conditions prevented that in the first half, but could enable it in the second. I'd rather we didn't play like that, but I can see it going that way.
Either way, surely we can't go another summer transfer window without buying one or two players with the skills to break a team down in the final third. Unless Grealish or Carruthers come good, we just don't have that kind of player at all.
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Awful half of football the front 3 been off the pace really and at the back its a shambles as we expected.
Palace looking good for the win only 2 points off us if stays the same , 2 new signings scoring too..
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I thought MON was stubborn - Lambert seems to very much in a similar mould - we need some width to feed Benteke - but Lambert does not seem to favour this style of play.We are crying out for some individual flair in the team.
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The problem is that we need to take one of the front 3 off to add stability in front of the back 4. But who? And who do you bring on? Would Albrighton be any better than what we have on their? 4-4-2 would win this for us.
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We're passing better than usual, but we look utterly clueless as to how we can break them down.
We have absolutely zero width, either.
I'm also concerned at how often the full backs are giving them loads of space, Lowton in particular. If I were a betting man (or, more precisely, if I had more money to bet with), I'd have a few quid on Jarvis to score. He seems to be getting into a lot of space.
I have only watched 10 minutes and been screaming at Lowton to close up
Lowton's positional play is some of the worst I've ever seen.
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MON is Lamberts dad .
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Well that was mainly crap. Sort it out Lambert.
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The problem is that we need to take one of the front 3 off to add stability in front of the back 4. But who? And who do you bring on? Would Albrighton be any better than what we have on their? 4-4-2 would win this for us.
I don't agree. We're struggling to gain any foothold as it is, and look static anyway when we do have the ball. 4-4-2 would leave us completely overrun.
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We're pretty poor generally, but it's in the last third that we're making no impact. We have so very little movement off the ball as usual and that coupled to the fact that we have no one willing to beat a man means that we revert to sideways or backward passing as soon as a defender comes within 10 yards, inevitably resulting in losing possession.
Difficult to see it improving second half unless there are drastic changes.
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albrighton will at least give it a go , he hasnt got the quality a times but hes worked hard when hes play .
Some of the forward players today have been poor.
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Movement and brains please Villa.
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We're pretty poor generally, but it's in the last third that we're making no impact. We have so very little movement off the ball as usual and that coupled to the fact that we have no one willing to beat a man means that we revert to sideways or backward passing as soon as a defender comes within 10 yards, inevitably resulting in losing possession.
The strikers may as well not be on the pitch. Weimann and Benteke have barely merited a mention so far.
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Not 442 - I don't think we could get away with that.
But we could push Bacuna tight on the right, with Gabby left, Weimann playing behind the striker. Or we could be more adventurous and push Bacuna back with Albrighton wider.
Personally, I'd do the latter. Not least because I can't believe we can get away with another 45 minutes where Lowton lets Jarvis in time and time again.
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Stop being rubbish please Villa.
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there you fucking go
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Well, there you have it.
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No surprise unfortunately.
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oh villa you are crap
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noooooooooooooo
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Fuck off Villa, fuck off Nolan. ******.
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YYYYAAAAYYYYYYY!
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For gods sake!!
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great talk lambert - you wind me fooking up sometimes
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Truly pathetic.
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Brilliant well done Villa, fucking embarrassing as usual. Really fucking pathetic.
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GARBAGE
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1-0 Nolan assist Downing ..
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Well that's just great.
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Thats it, one sucker punch, useless defending
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has Lambert ever brought a player on at half time !!!!!
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A bit of brains and guile against a troupe of dimwits.
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brilliant stuff
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What a load of cock.
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Great goal and fully deserved. As per.
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ffs
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Get Lowton off, he's fucking shit.
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I want him gone. Had enough. New contract my arse!
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so were safe in tenth
oh no we are not
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Kick up the backside we needed
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This is gonna be another fun way to spend my saturday isnt it?
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We have a rubbish defence and zero creativity, hardly promising for a comeback.
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LAMBERT OUT
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For fucking hells sake!!!
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Game over. Lambert out.
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That's the second time this season that Delph has dallied and given away a second goal in quick succession.
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Well done Delph you fucking twat, game over.
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GAME OVER 0-2
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All done. Make no mistake about it, we're back in the scrap.
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There we go, same old shit as usual. We'll soon be back in the relegation battle mark my words, I never thought we'd be anything but to be honest.
And now 2-0
We are going absolutely nowhere with our idiot of a manager and a don't care owner
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ARFRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!
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What the fook is going on?
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There we go, same old shit as usual. We'll soon be back in the relegation battle mark my words, I never thought we'd be anything but to be honest.
And now 2-0
We are going absolutely nowhere with our idiot of a manager and a don't care owner
This
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Seriously. Without Vlaar - lose. Just no organisation or heart.
Right. In. The. Shit.
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******.
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They can shut up shop now and hit us on the break, because we'll never have the skill to break them down
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0-2
The team is utterly braindead.
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we are in trouble people
shit teams might save us
but we are looking worse than any on e at the moment
we are in trouble
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There you go.
New contract? You useless ******. Fucking rubbish.
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Oh Fabian you've spoilt a good season on a personal note...stupid.
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Fuck off that is just completely unacceptable. That was Delph's fault, but I'd just sack our defence they are embarrassing.
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How embarrassing
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HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES ARE ASTON VILLA GOING TO CONCEDE ONE, AND THEN CONCEDE ANOTHER WITHIN TWO MINUTES
HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES??!!!!
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Normally something like that is a case of failing to whack it and looking for a short pass where there isn't one. But there, Delph could have done anything - he had four separate viable options, and fell over his own feet. Fucking unbelievable.
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How many times have we conceded two in two minutes this year?
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0-2
The team is utterly braindead.
That's exactly what we are, utterly fucking brainless.
I can't believe we're in such a rush to get this joker to sign a new contract.
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We've been extremely poor and you know the rest.
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All done. Make no mistake about it, we're back in the scrap.
I don't think we were ever out of it and was amazed at how confident people were that we were safe
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Pathetic. 16/1 to go down this morning. Should have snapped the bookies hands off. Lambert out. New contract? You're having a laugh Lerner.
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There you go.
New contract? You useless c***. Fucking rubbish.
What you said.
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Utter shit - west ham could be above us on Wednesday - totally unacceptable once again at home and no hope of lambert going either - we are up the creek without a paddle :(
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Thickie Villa.
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That's it Lambert, you do your walking up and down, shouting COME ON and clapping routine.
That'll sort it out a treat.
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Any response from Lambert? Thought not.
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This could be three or four now.
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Baggies Mk II please
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useless set of ******.
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Not again, I'm getting sick of this s##t
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HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES ARE ASTON VILLA GOING TO CONCEDE ONE, AND THEN CONCEDE ANOTHER WITHIN TWO MINUTES
HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES??!!!!
probably at least another two or three
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Text book Villa no Vlaar utter shambles
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What a fuckin joke we are. I'm fed up of this.
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Lowton and Baker are horrific defenders but the main problem is the way Lambert has set up the side.
Does anyone know where Bacuna and Weimann are supposed to be playing? Just running around like headless chickens the pair of them. Lambert really is clueless, should have been able to see that we were getting exposed down our right so why not move to 442. Gabby and Benteke only getting in each others way up front. Clearly not working, West Ham gaining in superiority and yet he changes nothing.
This is a West Ham side that somehow have the likes of McCartney, Taylor and Cole still stealing a living in the top division and they are miles better than us. Thankfully Downing is as gutless as ever otherwise we would be behind.
edit - typed this at half time back now and its 2-0 down. fucking hell
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Ah good all our forward players just standing like statues.
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Another wonderful day out for the opposition support at Villa Park.
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west ham in bottom 3 and will be 2 points behind us
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What a fuckin joke we are. I'm fed up of this.
Aint we all mate , shambolic and Lerner and Faulkner hink the tosser is doing a good job.
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I'd take a draw now
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What utter shit! And to think our chief leader thinks this man deserves a new 3 year deal. Jesus christ
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Lowton and Baker are horrific defenders but the main problem is the way Lambert has set up the side.
Does anyone know where Bacuna and Weimann are supposed to be playing? Just running around like headless chickens the pair of them. Lambert really is clueless, should have been able to see that we
That's exactly it.
What have they been told to do today? Because I can't tell what we are even trying to do, let alone work out why we're failing.
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Xmas was two fucking months ago Villa ffs
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First time I have said it. But Lambert has been found out. He has to go.
Shame Pulis isn't available.
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I'm waiting for a spark of brilliance from Lambert with his substitutions..... >:(
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how many times have we let two quick goals in ?
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Well it's looking bad now, but I'm glad i can take solace in the fact that our wage to turnover ratio is much healthier we've got stability in the club and that Lambert has had to totally rebuild the team on a shoestring budget of $40 million or so. Plus we're safely in midtable aren't we?
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Anyone that continues to go and watch this dross week in week out has my sympathy.
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Of all the hundreds of professional footballers around the world, Lambert, Faulkner and Lerner are telling us there aren't a few cheapies out there that are better than this lot....not one...REALLY??
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I hate these easy games
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What a fuckin joke we are. I'm fed up of this.
I was fed up with it about 3 years ago, now it hardly registers. Our owner doesn't care and our manager is just thick, I'd almost rather we get relegated, at least there'd be some fun away matches and it might just rid us of the cancer within our club. This is just so bloody boring
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Lowton and Baker are horrific defenders but the main problem is the way Lambert has set up the side.
Does anyone know where Bacuna and Weimann are supposed to be playing? Just running around like headless chickens the pair of them. Lambert really is clueless, should have been able to see that we
That's exactly it.
What have they been told to do today? Because I can't tell what we are even trying to do, let alone work out why we're failing.
Baker is one of the worst centre halfs I've seen player more than 10 games in the top flight, and Lowton is just garbage defensively. We are a very poor side.
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Absolute Gash. Terrible Villa
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Laughing stock. Absolute laughing stock. One win every 4-5 games and total shit for the rest - and hes going to get a new contract.
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Anybody see a big Sam side imploding in the next 40 minutes?
no..nor me.
A new fucking contract? fuck me..
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At throw-ins, why don't we just concede possession of the ball and let them take the throw. Same outcome.
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why the f**k didnt he bring albrighton on at HT
he changes too late as usual
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Would anyone take 5-2 Villa now?
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Garbage again from lambert but still he seems to have the support of so many fans.
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Fucking move off the ball Villa, Jesus Christ we are worse than amateurs at times.
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great cross weiman
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Would anyone take 5-2 Villa now?
I don't think I'd risk money on us scoring five times at home between now and the end of the season, let alone the end of this match.
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HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES ARE ASTON VILLA GOING TO CONCEDE ONE, AND THEN CONCEDE ANOTHER WITHIN TWO MINUTES
HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES??!!!!
probably at least another two or three
I think it's now Man U, West Ham, West Brom, Spurs (maybe that was 2 in 5 minutes?) where we've done it. And several of them were absolute shambles. I think Delph gave the ball away today and v Man U, and scored an oggy v West Brom?
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At least Lowton's off, he is fucking dreadful.
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It's OK though, because we're tenth.
Oh, well, we used to be.
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Why does Delph get to within twentyfive yards of goal only to look up and see no claret and blue shirt even threatening to move into space? Come back and support, drag the defenders out of position, fucking do fucking something, don't just stand in the box and expect miracles.
Albers comes on and says '4-4-2'. Well let's see then.
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Still never got why Albrighton came back from loan, played really well and then got put back on the bench
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To fucking late Lambert, should have done the change at half time
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Fuck this going for a nap.
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Should have scored Benteke.
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needed a andy gray diving header
already marc did something
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I thought that had to be a goal
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We are very much in a relegation fight after this ...talk of new contract for Lambert utter bollox.Pulis has done better at Palace in 6 months.
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lambert is hopeless
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lambert is hopeless
Extremely generous way of putting it
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Why the fuck did we not buy some defensive cover. We are such a joke sometimes. We know we are shite without injury prone Vlaar.
On balance, the way we have run the club over the past five years or so we deserve to be relegated. Fans don't. Owners, players and managers do.
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His cross wasn't great, but the initial switch-ball from Westwood to Bacuna was really really good, not just the accuracy but the weighting and speed of playing it. He's better than this football.
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How the fuck did we not address our centre half or creative issues in January?
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Not buying or loaning cover for Vlaar was just stupid.
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lambert is hopeless
Extremely generous way of putting it
I hate being like this.
I really, really want him to work out for us, but as time goes by, I can see even less likelihood of it working.
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How the fuck did we not address our centre half or creative issues in January?
No money. No ambition. No hope. Despair.
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How the fuck did we not address our centre half or creative issues in January?
Because we are being run on a shoestring?
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Seriously. Without Vlaar - lose. Just no organisation or heart.
Right. In. The. Shit.
managers fault
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Bacuna's crossing is fucking atrocious.
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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
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Lowton is a poor defender, but what the hell did he have in front of him, to work off? Terrible formation from Lambert.
At least Bacuna can't pass back as much now he's at right back (saying that, the cross he's just out in was fucking dreadful)
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Expect WH to defend really deep and for Lambert to say we were unlucky.
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How hard is it to cross an %^*%ing ball?!?!?!?!
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I prefer weekends when we aren't playing.
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lambert is hopeless
Extremely generous way of putting it
I hate being like this.
I really, really want him to work out for us, but as time goes by, I can see even less likelihood of it working.
The same but I'm fed up of the same fucking mistakes being made and not being addressed. The displays that Villa fans have to put up with at home are fucking appalling.
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Does anyone still believe there's no danger of us getting relegated? We are truly dire. Even Crystal Palace are now just one point behind us.
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Can't cross the ball, can't pass accurately, bloody useless
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We've managed to take a Champions League winner in Ryan Bertrand and make him look average in less than five games. We're a deadly bacteria.
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Delph's passing is hopeless
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If Lambert says we played well today I may just murder him brutally.
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As long as everyone can see the vision that's the main thing.
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Seriously, why on earth are we talking about a new contract?
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We are a joke, and itis heartbreaking to see what we have become. We have known for the past year that Baker and Clark as a defensive pair are a recipe for defeat yet window after fucking window we don't address it.
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Why don't we play like this at 0-0? Can footballers not be arsed?
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Can't believe I made my Dad endure this as a birthday present.
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Venglos. O'Leary. McCleish. THIS IS WORSE! Far worse.
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Seriously, why on earth are we talking about a new contract?
Because the board know fuck all about football.
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Westwood and Albrighton are doing alright.
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If Lambert says we played well today I may just murder him brutally.
He will, though, he always does.
I've started making a point of not watching or reading his comments recently, it's the same every week.
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Not being funny, play like this at 0-0 for fucks sake
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Cant believe I made my Dad endure this as a birthday present.
You must not like the fella?
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As long as everyone can see the vision that's the main thing.
It's not a vision we need to see, it's a miracle
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Everything we do is so ponderous and predictable. Even when we get a man over in a wide position, he takes half an hour to put a fucking cross in.
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How horrendous would this be without the fluke wins against Arsenal and Man City?
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How the fuck did we not address our centre half or creative issues in January?
Because we are being run on a shoestring?
No - because lambert once again has failed to spend the money available to him - the buck stops with lambert for the lack of transfer activity!
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Does anyone still believe there's no danger of us getting relegated? We are truly dire. Even Crystal Palace are now just one point behind us.
I always said I wouldn't stop worrying til we got to 40 points. I felt a draw today would even have given us something of a cushion. Lose to the likes of Palace, West Ham, Stoke and Fulham and you will be bobbling about the drop zone.
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Three crosses in the space of 40 seconds from Bacuna, not one of them beat the first defender.
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As much of a twat as he can be, I'm looking forward post-match to Pat Murphy asking straight-up questions, which every other journo is scared to do, and ruffle Lambert. He must know he's untouchable regardless of what shit Villa serve-up under him.
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can we have Laudrup and that ex southampton CEO
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I decided to watch the rugby instead of finding a stream today. Following the game on here, it looks like I made the right call.
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Seriously, why on earth are we talking about a new contract?
It beggars belief, it really does.
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Theres one side of me that thinks on paper we cant be too bad if I remember how well we played at Anfield. Most of the time I think this is the worst Villa side I've ever since (since 1988).
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Lambert's post match comments infuriate me and then people will say 'well he can't criticise players in public'. Fair enough but why don't we ever improve at home? why are we fucking dreadful nearly every game? I can only conclude he genuinely thinks we play well at home.
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That was a fucking horrible tackle from Taylor. That's why everyone hates Allardyce and his teams.
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we're completely clueless at creating good chances.
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Seriously, why on earth are we talking about a new contract?
In spite of what Lambert says, I doubt Randy sees any of our games. He just sees 10th/11th place in the table and assumes we're fine.
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How horrendous would this be without the fluke wins against Arsenal and Man City?
And Southampton away.
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As much of a twat as he can be, I'm looking forward post-match to Pat Murphy asking straight-up questions, which every other journo is scared to do, and ruffle Lambert. He must know he's untouchable regardless of what shit Villa serve-up under him.
And that is the saddest thing of all - we are stuck with the clueless one!
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Apparently Lerners coming on as sub in a minute.
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So unlucky Marc
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It's alright, because obviously, the plan is to carry on being shit till the end of this season, then once we've got rid of Hutton and Given, we'll start being good again.
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brill effort marc
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how many more home games before the crowd turn on him?. once they do a TSM he's gone
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Jammy save, it's not our day, being outplayed by a Big Sam side
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Cant believe I made my Dad endure this as a birthday present.
You must not like the fella?
Even worse, I have got myself tickets for the Norwich game.
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Albrighton - a revelation.
I take back everything I said about he ability, face and family.
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why he dont start with marc
we have had no width all game
marcs been one of the better players lately and he dont start him.
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I can't even blame Lambert. He's been asked to build a team by fucking bartering. Lerner, this is a mess of your making.
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how many more home games before the crowd turn on him?. once they do a TSM he's gone
I can't believe they haven't already.
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Nocerino comes on as a sub. He's a real, old-fashioned, cattivo, Gattuso-style arsehole midfield stopper. Pretty much Allardyce's ideal player at this stage.
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I know he is a ******, but Collins is winning everything in the air for them and marshaling the back line well. We have the chuckle brothers.
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The creeping inevitability of relegation is the worst thing.
It might not even happen this year but to continue to take such risks, and extend the risk with new contracts for underperformers, makes it an almost certainty.
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Why wasn't Albrighton brought on earlier. Clueless Lambert
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If Lambert says we played well today I may just murder him brutally.
He will, though, he always does.
I've started making a point of not watching or reading his comments recently, it's the same every week.
What do you expect from a manager who is as thick as pigshit, and has a vocabulary of about 100 words.
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It's OK though, because we're tenth.
Oh, well, we used to be.
;)
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Weimann comes closest to scoring and we take him off
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Joke substitution.
Fuck you Lambert. Again.
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What a miserable four years to be a villa fan. 49 points from our last 50 home games.
Unacceptable.
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We'll only score from a set piece or penalty
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Albrighton's already been our best player. Westwood is also playing well
You can't say it would have been like this if we'd started this side, but it does look a better template for home games
Here comes Holt.
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Weimann comes closest to scoring and we take him off
Albrighton came closest to scoring.
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How unlucky Marc - any luck it is 2-2 now.
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LAmbert
why not start marc
you plonker
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bollocks, woodwork twice.
Albrighton best player....take note Lambert and leave him off the bench.
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Very good from Albrighton, but sadly there's fuck all else and it's too late.
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The Lambert myth. That every problem is because of our limiting budget and that us plebs can't see that he is actually a strategic genius. Effing bullshit, trying to fool us all. His team selections are lacking, his tactics often woeful. His transfer dealings questionable. Finances or not there are several question marks hanging over his tenure. Contract time? Think not.
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I can't even blame Lambert. He's been asked to build a team by fucking bartering. Lerner, this is a mess of your making.
Lambert doesn't spend all he's given. He revels in the young, hungry an' shit model. This is his shaggin' "project".
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The reason they haven't turned on him is just passages like that - it may have been appallingly innocuous, but we were passing it around and at least trying to play good football. The problem is that everything about Lambert, from the bog-standard formation to the obsession with Big Lump Strikers, indicates that he doesn't really know how to get us to play the style properly - a nuance Lerner and Faulkner will never understand.
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Weimann comes closest to scoring and we take him off
Albrighton came closest to scoring.
Let's keep them both on?
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Bertrand looks like he has a problem. Bennett first appearance of the season?
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Weimann comes closest to scoring and we take him off
Weimann only came closest to scoring if you're Trevor Francis. For the rest of us it was Albrighton who hit the post.
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How unlucky Marc - any luck it is 2-2 now.
I don't want to hear about luck, especially from Lambert.
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Hard luck Tekkers
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Weimann comes closest to scoring and we take him off
Albrighton came closest to scoring.
I stand corrected
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How the fuck did we not address our centre half or creative issues in January?
Because we are being run on a shoestring?
30k a week on holt ?
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I bow to Lambert's superior footballing experience. But I have to say, starting games with no wingers in the team when you've got a Benteke up front, just seems fucking dumb to me.
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Shit feed, shit game, shit management , shit shit shit
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Why are we putting on Bennett? Well, he is a prolific goal scorer, so I guess I can see it.
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I can't even blame Lambert. He's been asked to build a team by fucking bartering. Lerner, this is a mess of your making.
Lambert doesn't spend all he's given. He revels in the young, hungry an' shit model. This is his shaggin' "project".
True enough. This is his team and has been for ages.
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How the fuck did we not address our centre half or creative issues in January?
Because we are being run on a shoestring?
30k a week on holt ?
If we're paying him that, then Lambert wants a bloody slap. What a waste.
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It's all right though we're midtable.
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Is Gabby playing?
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Just looking to see what's on the telly tonight at 1030.
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Grant Holte makes me look good in a Villa shirt and I am 53
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I think we might have fizzled out.
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Is Gabby playing?
I honestly don't think I've heard his name mentioned this half.
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Mountfield and Nielsen
Teale and McGrath
Southgate/Ehiogu/McGrath
Laursen/Mellberg
Collins and Dunne
And now we have Baker and Clark. Sigh.
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I have this sense of horrible frustration where whatever I think or say as a supporter has no bearing whatsoever on the future of the club. I think even if I committed suicide by immolating myself in the centre circle, it would go unnoticed.
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Well just tuned in lads. Fucking hell is all I have to say.
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Is Gabby playing?
I honestly don't think I've heard his name mentioned this half.
Whose name?
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Kick the fucking ball Benteke.
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Only the shitness of 3 of Fulham, Cardiff, Norwich, West Brom and possibly Swansea will save us. The rest will finish above us. We are utter sh*t.
This might just be the worst Villa team I have ever seen in my 30 years.
Fuck.
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I expect Lambert will point to those two attempts hitting the woodwork as the reason we lost.
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Well just tuned in lads. Fucking hell is all I have to say.
It's the normal dire display of no invention, awful defending and just rubbish.
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Albrighton's been superb.
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Albrighton has been a revelation. Fantastic delivery on that free kick.
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Albrighton's been superb.
Easily our best player, and he didn't come on til the 56th minute, which really says it all.
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I expect Lambert will point to those two attempts hitting the woodwork as the reason we lost.
And the weather, won't be the first time either.
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Mountfield and Nielsen
Teale and McGrath
Southgate/Ehiogu/McGrath
Laursen/Mellberg
Collins and Dunne
And now we have Baker and Clark. Sigh.
I put something similar on facebook a few months ago. No wonder people are getting nostalgic for Doug.
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Albrighton has created or had about twice as many chances in this 30 minutes than Villa created in the entire previous 135 minutes of football
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We need to convert at least one or two of the few chances we get
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I expect Lambert will point to those two attempts hitting the woodwork as the reason we lost.
And the weather, won't be the first time either.
He really will say we were very good and he couldn't have asked for more, too, won't he?
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We pick ourselves up and go again.
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I expect Lambert will point to those two attempts hitting the woodwork as the reason we lost.
You absolutely know he will and to be fair we have been the better team, since going 0-2 down. That shouldn't change the fact we are shit and he is clueless.
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Albrighton's been superb.
Easily our best player, and he didn't come on til the 56th minute, which really says it all.
Absolutely. We were crying out for width far earlier.
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Just wondering why albrighton isn't starting? He's completely changed the game since coming on.
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midtable out the window come Tuesday night. looking very under resourced again for a dog fight
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benteke how many you want
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We have done really well since going 2-0 down, and in truth probably deserve to back on terms on chances now, but defend like that and you will lose. Vlaar is the difference today.
There is one bloke at VP who does deserve a new contract.
Fuck me how many are we going to miss!
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Albrighton's been superb.
Easily our best player, and he didn't come on til the 56th minute, which really says it all.
I think Westwood's been as good, in his own quiet way. Just he's been asked to do so much more than his remit should entail, which is not his fault. But I think Albrighton should be on the left cutting in, running at West Ham's defenders.
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This time last year we started to recover. Looks like the opposite this time.
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Is Agbonlahor still on?
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Benteke has been shat today.
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should have been 3
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The thing is, if we had Vlaar in the side, hadn't conceded at the start of the second, and put in this second half performance then I'd be saying fair enough.
We've had so many chances since they scored. More than in almost any game this season I'd say. Benteke could have had a hat trick.
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West Ham are happy to soak up a bit of pressure now, they know we're not going to score from open play.
Hate Collins and Downing being on the winning side
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good block on line
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Is Agbonlahor still on?
Who?
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I can't even blame Lambert. He's been asked to build a team by fucking bartering. Lerner, this is a mess of your making.
tony pulis has done a much better job in less time.
Lerner has given up on the club but Lambert's abilities as a manager have been well and truly found out at Villa. Cant understand how little criticism he has been getting outside the club. Think as per previous Villa manager's his career will nosedive quickly once he is put out of his misery.
fair play to Albrighton, has played great stuff since he came on.
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no new contract
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I can't even blame Lambert. He's been asked to build a team by fucking bartering. Lerner, this is a mess of your making.
tony pulis has done a much better job in less time.
Lerner has given up on the club but Lambert's abilities as a manager have been well and truly found out at Villa. Cant understand how little criticism he has been getting outside the club. Think as per previous Villa manager's his career will nosedive quickly once he is put out of his misery.
fair play to Albrighton, has played great stuff since he came on.
He'll be dropped for the next game.
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Just wondering why albrighton isn't starting? He's completely changed the game since coming on.
lambert wanted to play with no width
hes clueless
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I still don't think I'd play Albrighton in the next game. But at home, I'm pretty sure I would
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Holohan on for Norwich. Him and Albie would have won this for us.
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Just wondering why albrighton isn't starting? He's completely changed the game since coming on.
lambert wanted to play with no width
hes clueless
Yep, it's not just Albrighton, it's the formation that has changed the game.
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Did anyone mention that Paul Lambert is utterly clueless?
Because he is.
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quite simply Vlaar and Okore and it's still 0-0
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well another dire team in relegation trouble at home , we have helped them out
I really wanted to see the porn spammers go down but again we gift some one 3 points
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quite simply Vlaar and Okore and it's still 0-0
we'd still be moaning
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quite simply Vlaar and Okore and it's still 0-0
we'd still be moaning
are you trying to say we shouldn't be upset?
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I'm depressed.
Even more than normal.
This is West Ham ffs. With Carlton Cole up front.
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I think we've given up now.
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Holt's done nothing
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quite simply Vlaar and Okore and it's still 0-0
we'd still be moaning
are you trying to say we shouldn't be upset?
Me? No. I'd still be pissed we weren't winning. Dreadful.
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Holt's done nothing
What? You mean the mercurial game changing substitute Grant Holt hasn't won it for us?
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quite simply Vlaar and Okore and it's still 0-0
Yep. So Lambert should have known that we desperately needed an experienced centre-back in January and did nothing.
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Well done getting Holt in also ..much better than the signings Hull and Palace got in ..well done...
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Look at that empty, depressed villa park. What a shite four years. Under-achieving is an understatement.
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quite simply Vlaar and Okore and it's still 0-0
should have signed another. Vlaar was always likely to be injured for long spells
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I really fancied us today but that's another weekend they've ruined, balls to it.
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If there were stats kept for percentage of crosses that don't make it past the first defender, we would be in the 90's.
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quite simply Vlaar and Okore and it's still 0-0
really so clubs player never get injuries
Okore was bad bad luck
we know Vlaar is injury prone , we should have loaned a CB in Jan and not Holt , mistake.
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This is what Villa Park will look like next year in the Championship.
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The thing I really can't understand is why we didn't get some cover in for Vlaar, a player who has had injury problems.
He goes off and we concede late at Everton, and is missing today and we are a shambles without him.
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quite simply Vlaar and Okore and it's still 0-0
should have signed another. Vlaar was always likely to be injured for long spells
Negligent.
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Lambert's given himself a must win game against Cardiff
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any boo's?
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Our supporters deserve so much better than this shit.
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Lambert's given himself a must win game against Cardiff
Why bother when he will get a new contract anyway. Nobody can justify retaining this clown.