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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on February 01, 2014, 08:15:40 PM
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Passed away this morning, aged 72.
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Shit. My first Villa hero. Thanks for some great memories Tony.
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A sad loss - condolences to all who knew him - great header of the ball by all accounts .
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RIP.
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R.I.P
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RIP
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R.I.P. Only 72? Mark Hateley must be in his late 50s now?!
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A sad loss - condolences to all who knew him - great header of the ball by all accounts .
Not just a header of the ball. In the 2-6 defeat by Chelsea, we were down 0-4 at half time and we got two back after the break, including a terrific right-foot shot from outside the box by Hateley. Gave us hope (for about a minute). Sadly I can only find the Chelsea goals from that day (and if you think our defending is bad these days...).
Dave did an interview with him a couple of years back.
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RIP
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R.I.P.; Just like RR No. 62 he was my first Villa hero, scoring 3 goals in my first two games, on 16th and 30th April, 1966.
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The greatest header of a football I ever saw. My condolences to Mark and the rest of Big Tone's family.
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I can just about remember him leaving us, but my bruv loved him so much that to my disgust he very briefly changed allegiance to Chelsea and then Liverpool when Tony left us for them. Can't believe he left us in 1966, man I feel old. RIP big man.
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Met him a couple of times. A lovely man.
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R.I.P. Only 72? Mark Hateley must be in his late 50s now?!
Late 50s? Hardly. In his pomp late 80s, early 90s.
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R.I.P. Only 72? Mark Hateley must be in his late 50s now?!
Late 50s? Hardly. In his pomp late 80s, early 90s.
... born 7 November 1961. (wiki)
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RIP. The first Villa player I was really aware of
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Big Tone scored four goals to drag us back to 5-5 at White Hart Lane in 1966(I think). There is footage of it on the net somewhere.
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RIP
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I couldn't find a single Villa hate let goal out there. Even the Chelsea highlights only have their goals. We were so rarely on the box. I remember being so thrilled when I got to that game and saw the cameras...
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He was a massive hero of mine even though I never saw play for us. I remember feeling quite depressed when I was told that we had sold him for a record breaking transfer fee.
My first game at VP was 27 DEc 1966 v Sunderland. This is the team that played (note: no centre forward)
Colin Withers
Right back Mick Wright
Defender Keith Bradley
Left back Charlie Aitken
Centre half John Sleeuwenhoek
Midfielder Bobby Park
Midfielder Lew Chatterley
Wing half Dave Pountney
Outside right Johnny MacLeod
Winger Tony Scott
Inside forward Peter Broadbent
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RIP Tony
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Sad news.
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He was a massive hero of mine even though I never saw play for us. I remember feeling quite depressed when I was told that we had sold him for a record breaking transfer fee.
My first game at VP was 27 DEc 1966 v Sunderland. This is the team that played (note: no centre forward)
Colin Withers
Right back Mick Wright
Defender Keith Bradley
Left back Charlie Aitken
Centre half John Sleeuwenhoek
Midfielder Bobby Park
Midfielder Lew Chatterley
Wing half Dave Pountney
Outside right Johnny MacLeod
Winger Tony Scott
Inside forward Peter Broadbent
Chatterley, normally a centre-half ,was centre-forward around that time.
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He broke George Curtis' nose in the game at Meadow Lane but George stayed on.
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Good photo in the Mail. I still have that shirt.
(http://i1.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article5851973.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Tony-Hateley-5851973.jpg)
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One of my first Villa heroes.
Every time the ball was launched into the box you always knew he would win it, inevitably creating trouble for the opposition and/or going close to scoring/scoring!
At 8/9 years of age it never crossed my mind we were a bit shit - all of the players were my heroes but big Tone was the Top Man!
Met son Mark some years later at some publicity thing when he was with Cov - bit embarrassed later that I hogged him and all we did was talk about his dad!
Devastated when he left us. I was about 10/11.
RIP
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Sad news. 72 doesn't even seem that old to me now.
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Funny innit?
I know Mark played quite a few games for England but I always considered him nowhere near as good as his dad!
That's Villa bias for you I suppose, but big Tone was a legend to this very young Villa fan, and still is.
My older sister loved him too, 'cos he was dead good looking, apparently.
Very fond memories of the days that got me hooked to going down The Villa, Villa Park, Saturday afternoons, Claret and Blue, Bovril and living in the kind of hope that football fans don't really have these days.
1980/1/2 was only 15 years or so away!
UTV!
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RIP, like Lizz says 72 doesn't seem too old these days.
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For some reason he was never truly appreciated by our fans. "If he scored two we'd complain he hadn't got three" was one comment.
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RIP Tony Hateley, bit before my time but read about you.
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Tony, Tony Hately, Tony Hately in the aiir!
RIP, holteender in the sky
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RIP.
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RIP
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RIP Tony
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He was a massive hero of mine even though I never saw play for us. I remember feeling quite depressed when I was told that we had sold him for a record breaking transfer fee.
My first game at VP was 27 DEc 1966 v Sunderland. This is the team that played (note: no centre forward)
Colin Withers
Right back Mick Wright
Defender Keith Bradley
Left back Charlie Aitken
Centre half John Sleeuwenhoek
Midfielder Bobby Park
Midfielder Lew Chatterley
Wing half Dave Pountney
Outside right Johnny MacLeod
Winger Tony Scott
Inside forward Peter Broadbent
Lew Chatterley was not a midfielder he was a centre half who filled in as centre forward for a time. He was no doubt at No9 in this match. Scored a few as well!
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For some reason he was never truly appreciated by our fans. "If he scored two we'd complain he hadn't got three" was one comment.
Well he was truly appreciated by most of our fans including me. When Harry Burrows left he had to carry the forward line by himself and this he did with a goals return that didn't make sense in such a poor side. Quite magnificent at times. But some of our 'fans' expected him to score every match and that, of course ,is impossible.
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RIP Tony
Shame the BBC page don't acknowledge he played for us more than Chelsea or Liverpool. Airbrushed from history once again.
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He was a massive hero of mine even though I never saw play for us. I remember feeling quite depressed when I was told that we had sold him for a record breaking transfer fee.
My first game at VP was 27 DEc 1966 v Sunderland. This is the team that played (note: no centre forward)
Colin Withers
Right back Mick Wright
Defender Keith Bradley
Left back Charlie Aitken
Centre half John Sleeuwenhoek
Midfielder Bobby Park
Midfielder Lew Chatterley
Wing half Dave Pountney
Outside right Johnny MacLeod
Winger Tony Scott
Inside forward Peter Broadbent
Chatterley, normally a centre-half ,was centre-forward around that time.
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Yes he was but look at the players in defence .Charlie Aitken,Mick(Michael)Wright and Keith Bradley were specialist full backs. Did Keith Bradley fill in as a centre back (next to Slogger) on that day? I cant think of any other answer.
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Just a bit before my time and a bit after my Dads' time so someone who never gets discussed so much in our Villa loving family. What a shame, 72 seems so young these days
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Just seen Sky sports news, the info bar has him listed as former Liverpool and Chelsea striker. No mention of Villa or Notts County.
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Just seen Sky sports news, the info bar has him listed as former Liverpool and Chelsea striker. No mention of Villa or Notts County.
Which is weird( but not surprising as far as Sky Top 5 is concerned)as the baulk of his appearances were between us and County. I am sure I saw him play in a derby match for the noses against us around 1968/69 , a nil nil, if I remember correctly.
Rest in Peace.
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He scored consistently for Liverpool (in tandem with Roger Hunt) and is fondly remembered by their older supporters. When he went back to Notts County at the fag end of his career he upped his scoring rate again and got them promotion.
Tony and his son Mark are the only father and son duo to score 200 goals each in the football league.
A record that will probably stand forever.
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For some reason he was never truly appreciated by our fans. "If he scored two we'd complain he hadn't got three" was one comment.
This is true. He missed as many as he scored and got quite a lot of stick from the fans. I remember this particularly when we went out of the FA Cup to Aldershot in 1964. Didn't he miss a penalty in this tie? Yet his scoring record speaks for itself (86 in 148). His 4 goals in the remarkable 5-5 draw at WHL have already been mentioned, but I think my own favourite Hateley performance was the 2 goals in a comprehensive 4-0 defeat of Man U in 1963. We certainly missed him after he went to Chelsea, and we were relegated that season.
RIP, Tony.
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RIP Tony.
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RIP
I would have loved to see that 5-5 game with spurs
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The miss by Alan Deakin in the last couple of minutes would have been the comeback of all times if he'd have hit it hard enough and not allowed a defender to get back and clear it off the line. Ah well, cest la vie.
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He was a massive hero of mine even though I never saw play for us. I remember feeling quite depressed when I was told that we had sold him for a record breaking transfer fee.
My first game at VP was 27 DEc 1966 v Sunderland. This is the team that played (note: no centre forward)
Colin Withers
Right back Mick Wright
Defender Keith Bradley
Left back Charlie Aitken
Centre half John Sleeuwenhoek
Midfielder Bobby Park
Midfielder Lew Chatterley
Wing half Dave Pountney
Outside right Johnny MacLeod
Winger Tony Scott
Inside forward Peter Broadbent
Chatterley, normally a centre-half ,was centre-forward around that time.
Yes, Lew Chatterley, whose usual position was centre half, was playing emergency CF at the time. When we sold Tony Hateley we went out and bought John Woodward from Stoke (I think) to replace him. He was almost immediately crocked for a very long time - more than a season I think, which left us without a CF.
I will never forget the winning goal he scored against Man U at VP. I think we crossed the halfway line about twice during the game and scored on both occasions. Probably the most one sided match I've ever seen. It was a blessing that possession stats hadn't been invented in those days.
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For some reason he was never truly appreciated by our fans. "If he scored two we'd complain he hadn't got three" was one comment.
This is true. He missed as many as he scored and got quite a lot of stick from the fans. I remember this particularly when we went out of the FA Cup to Aldershot in 1964. Didn't he miss a penalty in this tie? Yet his scoring record speaks for itself (86 in 148). His 4 goals in the remarkable 5-5 draw at WHL have already been mentioned, but I think my own favourite Hateley performance was the 2 goals in a comprehensive 4-0 defeat of Man U in 1963. We certainly missed him after he went to Chelsea, and we were relegated that season.
RIP, Tony.
The game v Man U game was one of my all time memories of 'big Tone'.....a chilly late November day capped by Denis Law getting sent off for kicking Alan Deakin. Law said after the game that he was fed up of being kicked throughout the game by him.........Alan Deakin i ask you!!! He wasn't nicknamed 'Doris' due to his hard man skills!!!
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I see that SSN are carrying the news of his death, but mentioning only that he played for Liverpool and Chelsea.
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Thank`s Tony, rest in peace big fella.
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Match of the Day called him a "former Aston Villa striker, who also played for Chelsea and Liverpool. Fuck Sky.
RIP Tony. Before my time but my Dad loved you.
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He was a VILLA player who ended up at chelsea & liverpool, nothing before or after B6 matters.
Started my lifetime of misery with the 3 FA cup games against Wolves in 65
Rest easy Tony
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I wonder if someone really did shout "battle for your pride" when we were 5-1 down at WHL.
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RIP Big Tone. 72 is no age at all.
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RIP
I would have loved to see that 5-5 game with spurs
You can see bits of it at ITN SOURCE web site. Two by Big Tone and two by Greavsie. The major goalscorers in the top flight that season.
Type in Spurs v Villa.
For anyone who is interested there is also a clip of Villa v Spurs in 61 showing a Stan'The Wham' Lynn penalty. We lost 2-1!
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RIP
I would have loved to see that 5-5 game with spurs
You can see bits of it at ITN SOURCE web site. Two by Big Tone and two by Greavsie. The major goalscorers in the top flight that season.
Type in Spurs v Villa.
Cheers Ron . going to do now.
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I agree that the media bias against us is obvious -but then we compound this by doing it ourselves!!
Look at the obituary for Tony on the official website. The accompanying picture is of Big Tony -in a Liverpool top!!!
Absolutely unbelievable!
And if anyone is wondering, yes, my piss is boiling!
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For some reason he was never truly appreciated by our fans. "If he scored two we'd complain he hadn't got three" was one comment.
This is true. He missed as many as he scored and got quite a lot of stick from the fans. I remember this particularly when we went out of the FA Cup to Aldershot in 1964. Didn't he miss a penalty in this tie? Yet his scoring record speaks for itself (86 in 148). His 4 goals in the remarkable 5-5 draw at WHL have already been mentioned, but I think my own favourite Hateley performance was the 2 goals in a comprehensive 4-0 defeat of Man U in 1963. We certainly missed him after he went to Chelsea, and we were relegated that season.
RIP, Tony.
The game v Man U game was one of my all time memories of 'big Tone'.....a chilly late November day capped by Denis Law getting sent off for kicking Alan Deakin. Law said after the game that he was fed up of being kicked throughout the game by him.........Alan Deakin i ask you!!! He wasn't nicknamed 'Doris' due to his hard man skills!!!
Mate of mine quite recently asked Law about that sending off - he basically kicked Alan Deakin in the head while Deakin was on the floor! Law admitted he'd been invited out that night to a big do in Manchester, and did something really stupid that he knew would get him sent off so he could leave early to get to the gig!
Whether that's the truth or not, it makes for an interesting reason/excuse!
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BBC Website omitted us in title of its tribute page. F*** the Been.
Match of the Day called him a "former Aston Villa striker, who also played for Chelsea and Liverpool. Fuck Sky.
RIP Tony. Before my time but my Dad loved you.
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I was really sad to hear of the death of Tony Hateley. Along with Harry Burrows he was the Villa player i wanted to emulate as a kid. He was the best header of a ball i have ever seen play for Villa. I can remember lots of fans calling him a carthorse and maybe he was a bit limited with his feet,but god he made up for it with his heading. There use to be lots of debate at the time ,as to was the best header of the ball,Hateley or Astle of the Albion Both started at Notts County and both were brilliant in the air.
R.I.P Tony will never forget you
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I started going down the Villa the season after he left but heard a lot about him from my Dad, he almost kept us up singlehandedly with a very high goals to games ratio in the 3 years he was at our great club, always sad when a Villa hero passes away
God bless Tony
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I agree that the media bias against us is obvious -but then we compound this by doing it ourselves!!
Look at the obituary for Tony on the official website. The accompanying picture is of Big Tony -in a Liverpool top!!!
Absolutely unbelievable.
And if anyone is wondering, yes, my piss is boiling!
Indeed. The perpetrator should get a severe grilling.
It's unbelievable really when you see how long he was with Liverpool and Chelsea more so not to mention the amount of goals he got for them in comparison to his time at County and ourselves.
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I agree that the media bias against us is obvious -but then we compound this by doing it ourselves!!
Look at the obituary for Tony on the official website. The accompanying picture is of Big Tony -in a Liverpool top!!!
Absolutely unbelievable.
And if anyone is wondering, yes, my piss is boiling!
Indeed. The perpetrator should get a severe grilling.
It's unbelievable really when you see how long he was with Liverpool and Chelsea more so not to mention the amount of goals he got for them in comparison to his time at County and ourselves.
Especially as he never really fitted in with either of their styles of play.
He was a formidable header of the ball, and the Villa had wingers supplying him, in fact I believe he is the best header of the ball I've ever seen, but he was far more limited with his feet. Also, neither Liverpool nor Chelsea had Phil Woosnam playing alongside him, supplying him with tap-ins.
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God do i feel old, just looked up Tony Hateley's debut for Villa. It was 24th August 1963 against Nottingham Forest at the City Ground We won 1-0 and Tony got the goal.I was there with my dad but only things i can remember about the day,was going on Stockland coaches and standing on the half way line and our big massive goalkeeper who was Nigel Sims.
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For some reason he was never truly appreciated by our fans. "If he scored two we'd complain he hadn't got three" was one comment.
This is true. He missed as many as he scored and got quite a lot of stick from the fans. I remember this particularly when we went out of the FA Cup to Aldershot in 1964. Didn't he miss a penalty in this tie? Yet his scoring record speaks for itself (86 in 148). His 4 goals in the remarkable 5-5 draw at WHL have already been mentioned, but I think my own favourite Hateley performance was the 2 goals in a comprehensive 4-0 defeat of Man U in 1963. We certainly missed him after he went to Chelsea, and we were relegated that season.
RIP, Tony.
The game v Man U game was one of my all time memories of 'big Tone'.....a chilly late November day capped by Denis Law getting sent off for kicking Alan Deakin. Law said after the game that he was fed up of being kicked throughout the game by him.........Alan Deakin i ask you!!! He wasn't nicknamed 'Doris' due to his hard man skills!!!
Mate of mine quite recently asked Law about that sending off - he basically kicked Alan Deakin in the head while Deakin was on the floor! Law admitted he'd been invited out that night to a big do in Manchester, and did something really stupid that he knew would get him sent off so he could leave early to get to the gig!
Whether that's the truth or not, it makes for an interesting reason/excuse!
Well I asked Law about this incident about ten years ago. He said 'I just lost it' Seems more likely doesn't it.
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For some reason he was never truly appreciated by our fans. "If he scored two we'd complain he hadn't got three" was one comment.
This is true. He missed as many as he scored and got quite a lot of stick from the fans. I remember this particularly when we went out of the FA Cup to Aldershot in 1964. Didn't he miss a penalty in this tie? Yet his scoring record speaks for itself (86 in 148). His 4 goals in the remarkable 5-5 draw at WHL have already been mentioned, but I think my own favourite Hateley performance was the 2 goals in a comprehensive 4-0 defeat of Man U in 1963. We certainly missed him after he went to Chelsea, and we were relegated that season.
RIP, Tony.
The game v Man U game was one of my all time memories of 'big Tone'.....a chilly late November day capped by Denis Law getting sent off for kicking Alan Deakin. Law said after the game that he was fed up of being kicked throughout the game by him.........Alan Deakin i ask you!!! He wasn't nicknamed 'Doris' due to his hard man skills!!!
Mate of mine quite recently asked Law about that sending off - he basically kicked Alan Deakin in the head while Deakin was on the floor! Law admitted he'd been invited out that night to a big do in Manchester, and did something really stupid that he knew would get him sent off so he could leave early to get to the gig!
Whether that's the truth or not, it makes for an interesting reason/excuse!
Well I asked Law about this incident about ten years ago. He said 'I just lost it' Seems more likely doesn't it.
It does Ron.
But never let the truth get in the way of a good story!
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Tony Hateley was my first Villa favourite. Saw him play three times for us then the old codgers board sold him for £100k and spent £30k on John Woodward as a replacement. (Woodward was almost immediately crocked for the season by dirty Smethwick).
I knew I was getting older when I heard a match report in which Tom Hateley his grandson was mentioned.
R.I.P.
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The BBC website is describing him as an ex-Chelsea and Liverpool striker first and foremost. Never mind the fact that he played way more games for Villa and Notts Co than either of those two sides. The latter two are Midlands teams, who cares about them?
Mind the BBC is based in London, with its sports department in Manchester, so their London/NW naval gazing is only to be expected...
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Sorry to make yet another contribution to this thread but like you, I should imagine, I am wondering why Aston Villa FC do not appear to have made a statement to the press re Big Tone's passing. Liverpool have done him proud. I cannot find anything at all from our club.
If that is the case someone should be offering an apology to Mark Hateley and the rest of Tony's family.
Surely we haven't sunk that low...have we?
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Sorry to make yet another contribution to this thread but like you, I should imagine, I am wondering why Aston Villa FC do not appear to have made a statement to the press re Big Tone's passing. Liverpool have done him proud. I cannot find anything at all from our club.
If that is the case someone should be offering an apology to Mark Hateley and the rest of Tony's family.
Surely we haven't sunk that low...have we?
Here you go.
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3649608,00.html
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Sorry to make yet another contribution to this thread but like you, I should imagine, I am wondering why Aston Villa FC do not appear to have made a statement to the press re Big Tone's passing. Liverpool have done him proud. I cannot find anything at all from our club.
If that is the case someone should be offering an apology to Mark Hateley and the rest of Tony's family.
Surely we haven't sunk that low...have we?
Here you go.
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3649608,00.html
Very good.....except on the club's official web site it shows our top scorer of the 1960s wearing......a Liverpool shirt!!
and that is really pathetic.
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The Liverpool angle I get as they were really gearing up then and I think had recently won two championship. But to mention pissant no-mark Chelsea who'd won one championship up to that point really sticks in the craw.
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I've only just got around to watching Saturday's MOTD and at the end of the Villa game Lineker mentioned Tony Hateley's death, referring to him as a former Villa player. He mentioned other teams but only in passing. Sorry if this has already been posted on here.
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RIP. Tony Holte Ender in the sky
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TH gave going to VP an air of anticipation and he usually delivered..sad loss.
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The miss by Alan Deakin in the last couple of minutes would have been the comeback of all times if he'd have hit it hard enough and not allowed a defender to get back and clear it off the line. Ah well, cest la vie.
I was at the reserves with my late father on that very day - there were no radio broadcasts from the game, obviously no mobile phones - we relied on the good old telephone to relay the ongoing scoreline to the guy working the giant A, B,C D, E etc scoreboard at Villa Park.
It wasn`t until I picked up the Sports Argus at George Edwards Newsagent on Baldwins Lane later that night that I found out about Alan Deakin`s last minute sitter - the passing of TH brought back my memories of that day - RIP Tony and my thoughts go to his family.
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VCM, me and my old lad were at the sty that day, and the score came up at half time to great cheering. The week previous, we'd lost at home to Fulham 4-2, that was obviously nine goals conceded in a game and a half.
At the end of the game, we hung around waiting for the full time scores to go up and, IIRC the Villa score was the last to go up. When we saw 5-5 we genuinely thought they were taking the piss. By the time we had walked into town the early editions of the Argus were on the streets and we couldn't believe that we had come back to salvage a draw. It was a disappointment to read in the Sunday's that Alan Deakin had missed that sitter that would have given us the win.
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I remember talking to my Dad about Villa strikers who I thought were great headers of the ball like Lochhead, Withe, Dublin and Angel but he always said Tony was way better
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I'm not altogether too sure but, I think the balls used back in 1963/64 were the old lace up heavy type, which make his heading ability/achievements all the more impressive.
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I remember talking to my Dad about Villa strikers who I thought were great headers of the ball like Lochhead, Withe, Dublin and Angel but he always said Tony was way better
One missing from that list - Andy Gray - he was a great header of the ball despite not being that tall.
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Tony was my first hero down the Villa. He was a magnificent header of the ball and could climb high and seemed to hang in the air.
He was a bit limited on the ground but his goals record in a poor Villa team was great.
Thinking back I remember a headline in the Evening Mail when he had obviously scored a winning goal yet again "Hateley the Head"
RIP Tony.
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I remember talking to my Dad about Villa strikers who I thought were great headers of the ball like Lochhead, Withe, Dublin and Angel but he always said Tony was way better
One missing from that list - Andy Gray - he was a great header of the ball despite not being that tall.
Apologies for forgetting Andy and yes he was tremendous in the air.
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Yes Andy Gray was a tremendous header of a ball for a man of 5' 10" (I think) indeed his aggressive all round game was magnificent. But Tony Hateley was the ariel master supreme. In fact I distinctly remember a game against Fulham in 65 when he rose just above the crossbar
at the Witton end. It took your breath away!
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A story my Dad tells. One game when Tony Hateley did an unusually skilful move to score, his(and Frank's) father turned to them and said "he went round that back just like Pongo Waring"
This was high praise indeed.
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and finally me and mate were standing by the players tunnel at Tony's last game for us.A dire 0-0 against Sheff Utd . Tony had not delivered in this game and and an irate supporter shouted at him 'you big carthorse Hateley' as he was leaving the pitch. Big Tone identified him and replied in time honoured fashion...and that was his final Aston Villa game.
Not loved by some but fully appreciated by many others.
RIP Big Tone.
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It was one of the things with Hately that a lot of fans didn't appreciate him. It has been said before that if he scored from 20 yards they would moan that it wasn't from 30 yards in the top left hand corner. The poor fellow had a torrid time in that 0-0 draw with Aldershot. I've never quite sure why he does not rank alongside Waring, Hitchens et al.
When you look at his goals scored to games played ratio when he was with us, his perfomance was quite staggering. During that period we were a pretty mediocre at best team and I can only recall Woosnam giving him consistent ammunition.
One thing this thread has shown that we could have a decent H&V Vets Team - over 60s assuming that we would all have been 12 or so years old when we saw him.
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The thing about lack of appreciation for big Tone in the eyes of some supporters has been alluded to on here, and that is his lack of ground skills. The fullness of time does tend to dim the memory or make certain inadequacies seem less than they were.
I loved big Tone but, I was in my mid-teens when he was playing for us and my memories of his on the ground skills were very average at best and that, more than anything was what certain sections of our support latched on to.
It also has to be remembered that there were supporters back then who would have been the age I am now and, they would have memories of centre forwards who would have been much better than Tony Hateley. Perhaps it was the Old Gits of the day that were responsible for the stick he took. I for one though, will never forget those thunderous headers. Rock on Tone.
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It could have been that the team he played in were bad, and getting worse. Harry Burrows, for example, was a great winger from that time but is never talked about as the great he deserves to be.
Anyway, I met Tony Hateley once. Within seconds he was giving me a masterclass in winning headers; pity it was twenty years too late to help me.
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I was deeply upset when Harry Burrows left and it was only forty odd years later that I learned on here that it was allegedly for the sake of a fiver.
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RIP Tony Hateley. Imagine if we have bit of money and ambition at the time, we could have a team with Blanchflower, Hateley, Hitchens and McParland together. That would be something. Did Hateley play with Gerry Hitchens for Aston Villa together.
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RIP Tony Hateley. Imagine if we have bit of money and ambition at the time, we could have a team with Blanchflower, Hateley, Hitchens and McParland together. That would be something. Did Hateley play with Gerry Hitchens for Aston Villa together.
No. Gerry Hitchens had gone to Italy at least two years before. Blanchflower left in 1954 I think.
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My all time Villa favourite. Fantastic goal scorer. Broke my heart when he went to Chelsea. Never really appreciated by some fans but he was the greatest centre forward in the league to me. RIP Tony. Thanks for the fantastic memories.
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RIP
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Why no minutes silence or applause yesterday? Had black armbands on but surprised no silence considering we had one for the fan who died recently. Anyone else think this was a bit off?
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Why no minutes silence or applause yesterday? Had black armbands on but surprised no silence considering we had one for the fan who died recently. Anyone else think this was a bit off?
Its exactly what I would expect from the people who now run Aston Villa FC. Im totally disgusted with them.
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Why no minutes silence or applause yesterday? Had black armbands on but surprised no silence considering we had one for the fan who died recently. Anyone else think this was a bit off?
Its exactly what I would expect from the people who now run Aston Villa FC. Im totally disgusted with them.
That's totally unfair. Whatever you might think of their professional abilities they have shown time and again that they do the right thing. Not having a silence/applause for a particular player is a regular complaint and ignores the facts that you can't do it for everyone and the family might not want it anyway.
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I was talking to someone who was at the notts county v coventry game and said what a tremendous ovation the crowd gave in memory to Tony on Saturday - he did of course play for both clubs and was fondly remembered .
http://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/news/article/minutes-applause-for-tony-hateley-1342746.aspx
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Why no minutes silence or applause yesterday? Had black armbands on but surprised no silence considering we had one for the fan who died recently. Anyone else think this was a bit off?
Its exactly what I would expect from the people who now run Aston Villa FC. Im totally disgusted with them.
That's totally unfair. Whatever you might think of their professional abilities they have shown time and again that they do the right thing. Not having a silence/applause for a particular player is a regular complaint and ignores the facts that you can't do it for everyone and the family might not want it anyway.
At the last game of the season everybody who was connected with the club that passed away during the previous 12 months is shown on the big screens.
The ex player that most of us would probably agree should have had a minutes silence/applause and did not was John Robson.
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Why no minutes silence or applause yesterday? Had black armbands on but surprised no silence considering we had one for the fan who died recently. Anyone else think this was a bit off?
Its exactly what I would expect from the people who now run Aston Villa FC. Im totally disgusted with them.
That's totally unfair. Whatever you might think of their professional abilities they have shown time and again that they do the right thing. Not having a silence/applause for a particular player is a regular complaint and ignores the facts that you can't do it for everyone and the family might not want it anyway.
At the last game of the season everybody who was connected with the club that passed away during the previous 12 months is shown on the big screens.
The ex player that most of us would probably agree should have had a minutes silence/applause and did not was John Robson.
And yet in the week he died Frank Moss Jr, who was with us longer and played more games, died and no-one suggested a silence for him. It all depends on whether you remember them or not.
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Why no minutes silence or applause yesterday? Had black armbands on but surprised no silence considering we had one for the fan who died recently. Anyone else think this was a bit off?
Its exactly what I would expect from the people who now run Aston Villa FC. Im totally disgusted with them.
That's totally unfair. Whatever you might think of their professional abilities they have shown time and again that they do the right thing. Not having a silence/applause for a particular player is a regular complaint and ignores the facts that you can't do it for everyone and the family might not want it anyway.
I think its 'totally unfair' that they used a picture of Tony in a Liverpool kit as a fitting tribute on the official website. Tony Hateley was all we had to look forward to in the middle sixties. He delivered. One minutes silence is not too much to ask for is it.
But if Mrs Hateley,Mark and others in his close family had requested they did not want this fitting tribute by the fans that is of course acceptable.
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Why no minutes silence or applause yesterday? Had black armbands on but surprised no silence considering we had one for the fan who died recently. Anyone else think this was a bit off?
Its exactly what I would expect from the people who now run Aston Villa FC. Im totally disgusted with them.
That's totally unfair. Whatever you might think of their professional abilities they have shown time and again that they do the right thing. Not having a silence/applause for a particular player is a regular complaint and ignores the facts that you can't do it for everyone and the family might not want it anyway.
I think its 'totally unfair' that they used a picture of Tony in a Liverpool kit as a fitting tribute on the official website. Tony Hateley was all we had to look forward to in the middle sixties. He delivered. One minutes silence is not too much to ask for is it.
But if Mrs Hateley,Mark and others in his close family had requested they did not want this fitting tribute by the fans that is of course acceptable.
They had not requested that they did not want a tribute as notts county and coventry who he played for gave a minutes applause in his memory.
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Why no minutes silence or applause yesterday? Had black armbands on but surprised no silence considering we had one for the fan who died recently. Anyone else think this was a bit off?
Its exactly what I would expect from the people who now run Aston Villa FC. Im totally disgusted with them.
That's totally unfair. Whatever you might think of their professional abilities they have shown time and again that they do the right thing. Not having a silence/applause for a particular player is a regular complaint and ignores the facts that you can't do it for everyone and the family might not want it anyway.
I think its 'totally unfair' that they used a picture of Tony in a Liverpool kit as a fitting tribute on the official website. Tony Hateley was all we had to look forward to in the middle sixties. He delivered. One minutes silence is not too much to ask for is it.
But if Mrs Hateley,Mark and others in his close family had requested they did not want this fitting tribute by the fans that is of course acceptable.
As I said above; "They should have had a silence" is an easy stick to beat any club with. To criticise their every action because you don't agree with one is, again as I said, totally unfair.
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It is interesting some think there should be a minutes silence whereas other prefer a minutes applause .
I think I'm on the side of a minutes applause as too many silences in the past have been spoilt by a few mindless idiots .
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How do the club decided whether to have a minutes applause/silence? His record of 86 goals has been beaten by only Dwight Yorke and Peter Withe since then I think, so in terms of his contribution to our history and our rich tradition of centre forwards, I would have thought the fans would have appreciated the opportunity.
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Someone who scored 68 goals for Villa in living memory should have been celebrated.
Liverpool managed to do so, and he played less than half the games for them as he did for us.
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It does seem odd when we have silences for fans who have never been to a game that we don't have any sort of acknowledgment for a player that was very important to us as a team and important to the fans.
It should be the family's wishes that are respected though.
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It does seem odd when we have silences for fans who have never been to a game that we don't have any sort of acknowledgment for a player that was very important to us as a team and important to the fans.
It should be the family's wishes that are respected though.
The club were put in an impossible position by that fan's family & friends and made the best of a bad job. I suppose the problem they face with a player such as Tony Hateley is that while those who were around while he was playing for us know about him, probably 90% of the crowd on Saturday will never have heard of him.
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Great. At 72 you were too old to be remembered Tony. Hmmm.
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That is the way it goes though surely? There must be a mountain of players from the 1910's and 1920's who Villa fans that started watching us in the 1960's are just unaware of, the same as those who started in the 1990's are going to be as au fait with the faces from the 1960's.
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Liverpool and Notts County still remembered him. Their age demographic is going to be no different than ours and with Liverpool there'll be more fans there who won't have a clue about what went on in the 70's let alone the 60's.
The 606 commentator for the Liverpool match V Arsenal mentioned the minutes applause they gave and pointed out to the listeners that he also played for Chelsea and Notts County. No mention of us.
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Not surprised at all that the club never gave a minutes silence for Tony Hateley on Saturday, is typical of the way the club seems to be run these days. Well done to Liverpool and Notts County
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If yer know yer history...
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It does seem odd when we have silences for fans who have never been to a game that we don't have any sort of acknowledgment for a player that was very important to us as a team and important to the fans.
It should be the family's wishes that are respected though.
The club were put in an impossible position by that fan's family & friends and made the best of a bad job. I suppose the problem they face with a player such as Tony Hateley is that while those who were around while he was playing for us know about him, probably 90% of the crowd on Saturday will never have heard of him.
To a point that is correct Dave. Same will apply when Peter McParland passes on then. Sometime ago there was a poster on a thread who didnt know Andy Gray played for us. At each club there are many fans who know the history of the club they follow and many who do not.
Perhaps it doesnt matter but personally it matters to me.
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It does seem odd when we have silences for fans who have never been to a game that we don't have any sort of acknowledgment for a player that was very important to us as a team and important to the fans.
It should be the family's wishes that are respected though.
The club were put in an impossible position by that fan's family & friends and made the best of a bad job. I suppose the problem they face with a player such as Tony Hateley is that while those who were around while he was playing for us know about him, probably 90% of the crowd on Saturday will never have heard of him.
To a point that is correct Dave. Same will apply when Peter McParland passes on then. Sometime ago there was a poster on a thread who didnt know Andy Gray played for us. At each club there are many fans who know the history of the club they follow and many who do not.
Perhaps it doesnt matter but personally it matters to me.
The point is where do you draw the line?
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Someone who scored 68 goals for Villa in living memory should have been celebrated.
Liverpool managed to do so, and he played less than half the games for them as he did for us.
Prior to the minutes' applause, the BBC Radio commentator listed the clubs that Tony Hateley played for an didn't even mention Villa.
EDIT - As Bren'd already said
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I think what the club do with one match a year being the day past players, staff and supporters are remembered is probably the best way of doing it.
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It does seem odd when we have silences for fans who have never been to a game that we don't have any sort of acknowledgment for a player that was very important to us as a team and important to the fans.
It should be the family's wishes that are respected though.
The club were put in an impossible position by that fan's family & friends and made the best of a bad job. I suppose the problem they face with a player such as Tony Hateley is that while those who were around while he was playing for us know about him, probably 90% of the crowd on Saturday will never have heard of him.
To a point that is correct Dave. Same will apply when Peter McParland passes on then. Sometime ago there was a poster on a thread who didnt know Andy Gray played for us. At each club there are many fans who know the history of the club they follow and many who do not.
Perhaps it doesnt matter but personally it matters to me.
The point is where do you draw the line?
I understand that but I would think the club should honour major players for our club. Tony Hateley was a major player in the decade he played for Aston Villa. The first player to be transferred for exactly £100,000.
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It does seem odd when we have silences for fans who have never been to a game that we don't have any sort of acknowledgment for a player that was very important to us as a team and important to the fans.
It should be the family's wishes that are respected though.
The club were put in an impossible position by that fan's family & friends and made the best of a bad job. I suppose the problem they face with a player such as Tony Hateley is that while those who were around while he was playing for us know about him, probably 90% of the crowd on Saturday will never have heard of him.
To a point that is correct Dave. Same will apply when Peter McParland passes on then. Sometime ago there was a poster on a thread who didnt know Andy Gray played for us. At each club there are many fans who know the history of the club they follow and many who do not.
Perhaps it doesnt matter but personally it matters to me.
The point is where do you draw the line?
I understand that but I would think the club should honour major players for our club. Tony Hateley was a major player in the decade he played for Aston Villa. The first player to be transferred for exactly £100,000.
Only because Jimmy Greaves came with a pound change. Seriously, though, I think what LV said is correct. Unless they made a major contribution (trophy winning captain/goalscorer/manager or at least a decade's service), the end of the season is the right time to pay tribute.
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I think what the club do with one match a year being the day past players, staff and supporters are remembered is probably the best way of doing it.
Probably so but then again they have made exceptions and given a minutes silence or applause on occasions - as Dave says where do you draw the line?
Having one game at the end of the season to remember those lost Is fine as long as they stick to it .
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I guess all clubs have their own policy but I wonder what Liverpool's is - as Hateley only played 58 games for them. Sometimes the contribution and impression on the club is greater than length of time or games played. I was too young to remeber him but there seem to a number of our posters who remember a player who made a significant contribution and gave fond memories in what was otherwise a dark decade for the club.
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I guess all clubs have their own policy but I wonder what Liverpool's is -
They'll have a silence for a missing cat.