Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: UK Redsox on January 23, 2014, 09:21:52 AM
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Did anyone else see JC on BTSport last night ?
He referred to Villa as "my team".
Good to see that Villa aligned pundits are growing in number.
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A fine player.
Villa pundits are growing in number ready for our assault on the premier league title and Champions league winning season in 3 years. Simples.
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"Good to see that Villa aligned pundits are growing in number."
Needs to be. Theres way too many Liverpool on there at the moment.
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Good stuff. Carew's still on fire!
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"Good to see that Villa aligned pundits are growing in number."
Needs to be. Theres way too many Liverpool on there at the moment.
I was talking to someone about this the other day and he pointed out that villa are very well represented in punditry across the channels
Collymore
Southgate
Townsend
Saunders
Yorke
Keown
Merson
McInally
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I heard big John on Talk shite last week and he said that once he had left the Villa is enthusiasm for the game had left him.
He only spoke positively about the club and the fans.
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What time was Carew on?
Funnily enough, David O'Leary was on BT Sport's Life's a Pitch at 10pm last night.
While he had a lot to say about Arsenal, he had absolutely nothing to say about his time at Villa.
Dean Saunders was on the same programme the night before.
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Funnily enough, David O'Leary was on BT Sport's Life's a Pitch at 10pm last night.
While he had a lot to say about Arsenal, he had absolutely nothing to say about his time at Villa.
Much the same as when he was manager here then?
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John Carew was/is genuinely loved and nobody genuinely loves their heroes like Villa fans. A bunch of mopey curmudgeons with tired old songs and bereft of recent glory, yet fierce in our love of genuine heroes.
Take note Mr Benteke.
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Hero of mine. :D
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John Carew was/is genuinely loved and nobody genuinely loves their heroes like Villa fans. A bunch of mopey curmudgeons with tired old songs and bereft of recent glory, yet fierce in our love of genuine heroes.
Take note Mr Benteke.
We did manage to get a chorus of 'Andy, Andy Lochhead in the air' going at Anfield.
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Whilst Yorke is ex Villa, he's more man U than us. I dont rate him as a pundit. he reckoned Young didn't dive at OT vs us a few seasons ago. Too afraid of upsetting the locals I suspect.
Yellow belly.
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When I've seen Dean Saunders speaking, he always has come across as he clearly loves the club. Merson also called us bigger than Newcastle :P.
Isn't Keown much more of Arsenal guy than Villa?
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I was gonna say- scraping the barrel a bit with Keown! ;)
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I heard big John on Talk shite last week and he said that once he had left the Villa is enthusiasm for the game had left him.
He only spoke positively about the club and the fans.
It looked to me like he lost his enthusiasm for the game before he left the villa.
Not a particularly unique opinion, but on his day he was unplayable, he was just a little too inconsistent.
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"Good to see that Villa aligned pundits are growing in number."
Needs to be. Theres way too many Liverpool on there at the moment.
I was talking to someone about this the other day and he pointed out that villa are very well represented in punditry across the channels
Collymore
Southgate
Townsend
Saunders
Yorke
Keown
Merson
McInally
Collymore - defo Villa nowadays. Not sure what he feels for his other clubs. Probably has a big soft spot for Sarfend.
Southgate - yep but more of an England man as opposed to Villa
Townsend - yep but not overtly pro Villa. Never exposed to us really. Gets dragged into ITVs jingoistic nonsense for england and Champs League.
Saunders - defo Villa and probably Derby if they were in Top League
Yorke - utter shite pundit. Also still more a ManU fan.
Keown - Arsenal through and through
Merson - mad Villa and Arsenal fan. fine player I even went to see him play for the Saddlers
McInally - another proper Villa man.
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I heard big John on Talk shite last week and he said that once he had left the Villa is enthusiasm for the game had left him.
He only spoke positively about the club and the fans.
It looked to me like he lost his enthusiasm for the game before he left the villa.
Not a particularly unique opinion, but on his day he was unplayable, he was just a little too inconsistent.
Good at VP. Not so good away from home
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Dion Dublin strikes me as someone who would rather be known as a Manchester Utd player, and his views on us seem to be a bit ill informed.
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Excuse the sacrilege but when Paul McGrath retired we seemed very much third in his list of priorities for a few years.
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Excuse the sacrilege but when Paul McGrath retired we seemed very much third in his list of priorities for a few years.
And yet I heard him on Talkshite a few months back and it was all 'we' when referring to the Villa.
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Dion Dublin strikes me as someone who would rather be known as a Manchester Utd player, and his views on us seem to be a bit ill informed.
He looked pretty cock a hoop the time Lowton belted that one in against Stur-ke. Sitting next to Crooks who looked somewaht concerned.
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Excuse the sacrilege but when Paul McGrath retired we seemed very much third in his list of priorities for a few years.
And yet I heard him on Talkshite a few months back and it was all 'we' when referring to the Villa.
As I said - for a few years.
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Dion Dublin strikes me as someone who would rather be known as a Manchester Utd player, and his views on us seem to be a bit ill informed.
Totally disagree.
I saw him doing punditry once on a Villa match and after the game they asked Dublin something, he replied, and whoever the studio douchebag was said "But you're biased, they're your team", to which he replied "Of course I am biased, I've got 5 and a half years of bias in me".
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I heard big John on Talk shite last week and he said that once he had left the Villa is enthusiasm for the game had left him.
He only spoke positively about the club and the fans.
It looked to me like he lost his enthusiasm for the game before he left the villa.
Not a particularly unique opinion, but on his day he was unplayable, he was just a little too inconsistent.
Good at VP. Not so good away from home
Two things he did know. Three, in fact.
1. How to celebrate a goal.
2. A photo opportunity when he saw one.
3. How to celebrate a goal against Small Heath with the Holte End.
He had his faults, but Christ, thinking back to it, it makes the current time seem even more boring.
(http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Sports%2BPictures%2BWeek%2B2008%2BApril%2B21%2BZSbz6aFgYvil.jpg)
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Mind you, to be fair, Libor Kozak quite clearly learned how to do proper goal celebrations whilst in Italy, too.
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that is a proper picture....that lad's face !!
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I heard big John on Talk shite last week and he said that once he had left the Villa is enthusiasm for the game had left him.
He only spoke positively about the club and the fans.
It looked to me like he lost his enthusiasm for the game before he left the villa.
Not a particularly unique opinion, but on his day he was unplayable, he was just a little too inconsistent.
Good at VP. Not so good away from home
Two things he did know. Three, in fact.
1. How to celebrate a goal.
2. A photo opportunity when he saw one.
3. How to celebrate a goal against Small Heath with the Holte End.
He had his faults, but Christ, thinking back to it, it makes the current time seem even more boring.
(http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Sports%2BPictures%2BWeek%2B2008%2BApril%2B21%2BZSbz6aFgYvil.jpg)
One of my favourite Villa pictures of all time.
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And mine. What a great day that was.
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When I think of Carew I always remember a home game against Stoke. My memory is probably a little bit biased but as I recall it they committed foul after foul to stop us breaking and the ref never gave more than a free kick. Carew came on as a sub and the defender tried to hold him by grabbing his shirt. He was left holding the shirt as Carew galloped straight through it and continued towards goal before being tackled. The ref didn't even give a free kick.
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He's on Soccer AM now. He said Villa is his club.
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Not only did he say Villa was his club he also said he would have gone back and played for nothing
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When he was on fire (always preferred that chant), we were a very , very good side. Too often though he couldn't be bothered, which was a shame. On his day, nobody could handle him.
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Dion Dublin strikes me as someone who would rather be known as a Manchester Utd player, and his views on us seem to be a bit ill informed.
Totally disagree.
I saw him doing punditry once on a Villa match and after the game they asked Dublin something, he replied, and whoever the studio douchebag was said "But you're biased, they're your team", to which he replied "Of course I am biased, I've got 5 and a half years of bias in me".
I think he's a terrible pundit - he can hardly string a coherent sentence together.
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Dion Dublin strikes me as someone who would rather be known as a Manchester Utd player, and his views on us seem to be a bit ill informed.
Totally disagree.
I saw him doing punditry once on a Villa match and after the game they asked Dublin something, he replied, and whoever the studio douchebag was said "But you're biased, they're your team", to which he replied "Of course I am biased, I've got 5 and a half years of bias in me".
I think he's a terrible pundit - he can hardly string a coherent sentence together.
Nope
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When he was on fire (always preferred that chant),
"Get yer tits out for Carew" was also one of the Holte's more original chants.
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I love Big John. Fucking brilliant player. On his day unplayable. I think to some extent we just needed that decent third striking option that O Neill never got right. Big John wasn't a player who could last 90 minutes or play 50 times a season at his best. You needed to rotate him better. There's no doubting that we saw the best of Carew and for someone so nomadic, he stayed her for 4 pretty good years. Houllier coming in was the death knell for him sadly. Their previous history always meant he'd struggle under Gerard.
But honestly, look back over his villa goals montage on youtube and then try and think how many finer compilations you could find from other Villa strikers. Not many. Some of his goals were world class, and often out of absolutely nothing. Great rapport with the fans and outside of Norway, he's not been more loved at a club than he was here.
Lets face it though, if Carew was consistent he'd never have been at the Villa in a million years, he'd have been at Real Madrid.
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I love Big John. Fucking brilliant player. On his day unplayable. I think to some extent we just needed that decent third striking option that O Neill never got right. Big John wasn't a player who could last 90 minutes or play 50 times a season at his best. You needed to rotate him better. There's no doubting that we saw the best of Carew and for someone so nomadic, he stayed her for 4 pretty good years. Houllier coming in was the death knell for him sadly. Their previous history always meant he'd struggle under Gerard.
But honestly, look back over his villa goals montage on youtube and then try and think how many finer compilations you could find from other Villa strikers. Not many. Some of his goals were world class, and often out of absolutely nothing. Great rapport with the fans and outside of Norway, he's not been more loved at a club than he was here.
Lets face it though, if Carew was consistent he'd never have been at the Villa in a million years, he'd have been at Real Madrid.
Agreed.
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I just watched a montage on YouTube of Carew's Villa goals and there were some belters. Very good finisher with his head. Also, just realised how many of them were created by Young, Milner and Barry!
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I'm pretty sure he scored a couple of "worldies" for Valencia against Real Madrid, much to our excitement when we were looking over his past work just before he joined.
Re saying he would have gone back to Villa and played for nothing. That's nice revisionism and all but I'd rather he have just tried a bit harder when he played for us but as has been said above, that's probably the biggest single thing that stopped him being a "worldy" himself.
*Sorry, that word infiltrated our lexicon circa 2013 and it's hard to shift the bastid.
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Main thought watching those Carew goals is that we scored shed loads of goals from set pieces under O'Neill
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Main thought watching those Carew goals is that we scored shed loads of goals from set pieces under O'Neill
I don't know if my memory is playing tricks but, didn't the media have sly digs at us about the amount of goals we scored from set pieces as opposed to from open play?
It was as though they thought it wasn't fair.
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I heard big John on Talk shite last week and he said that once he had left the Villa is enthusiasm for the game had left him.
He only spoke positively about the club and the fans.
It looked to me like he lost his enthusiasm for the game before he left the villa.
Not a particularly unique opinion, but on his day he was unplayable, he was just a little too inconsistent.
Good at VP. Not so good away from home
Two things he did know. Three, in fact.
1. How to celebrate a goal.
2. A photo opportunity when he saw one.
3. How to celebrate a goal against Small Heath with the Holte End.
He had his faults, but Christ, thinking back to it, it makes the current time seem even more boring.
(http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Sports%2BPictures%2BWeek%2B2008%2BApril%2B21%2BZSbz6aFgYvil.jpg)
All time classic. In 100 years time when stadiums are full of virtual fans our great grand children will remind people of moments like this.
Great picture - even some of the noses I know said it was a good celebration.
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I think he may have only scored one but one game v Bolton we won 4/5-1 he absolutely battered Knight and Cahill and those pair are no pushovers physically.
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"Good to see that Villa aligned pundits are growing in number."
Needs to be. Theres way too many Liverpool on there at the moment.
I was talking to someone about this the other day and he pointed out that villa are very well represented in punditry across the channels
Collymore
Southgate
Townsend
Saunders
Yorke
Keown
Merson
McInally
And McMahon.
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Main thought watching those Carew goals is that we scored shed loads of goals from set pieces under O'Neill
I don't know if my memory is playing tricks but, didn't the media have sly digs at us about the amount of goals we scored from set pieces as opposed to from open play?
It was as though they thought it wasn't fair.
It wasn't just in the media. There was a Manx accountant on here who seemed to think they didn't count.
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I think he may have only scored one but one game v Bolton we won 4/5-1 he absolutely battered Knight and Cahill and those pair are no pushovers physically.
Took my sister to this game - 5-1!
She hadn't been to VP for about 40 years!
She fell in love with JC that day....and who wouldn't! The ball just seemed to stick to his feet!
(I am trying to get her down to VP a bit more often - she seriously thinks she is our good luck charm! Speaks volumes! Happy to organise a whip round to buy her tickets on a regular basis!!! Please send donations to.....)
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Carew had a good career but with a bit more dedication it could've been an Ibrahimovich type career than playing for elite clubs like Inter Milan and Barca rather than 2nd tier ones like us, Valencia and Roma.
Still I remember him fondly, gave us some great memories and his goalscoring record in the league was generally good. Supertom is spot on with his analysis.