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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on January 18, 2014, 07:23:03 PM
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Open for business.
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Best display in ages. Great job lads
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good point beat by a cheat
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Much improved display - thoroughly deserved at least a draw - well done to all , players , fans and staff - enjoy your weekend all.
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Great point, gutted Gabby got injured as that changed the game. While he was on the pitch there was only one winner. Fantastic first half up until the death, battling second half.
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gabby going off and our shape change hurt us, nonetheless our best performance for ages. utv
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Hugely encouraging, despite dropping a 2-0 lead.
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Phew! Much more encouraging and we only lost to that cheating c*nut who I would readily run over in my car. We now have two weeks to rest, consolidate, get over injuries and maybe sign one or two other players!
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Brilliant Performance Villa Robbed
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Well done boys. Cheating bastard costs us two points.
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We were robbed. Cheating bastard.
Well done lads.
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Delph MOM according to SVC
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Cheated out of three points, no surprise there... But that performance was great, and that was a surprise! Well played lads, brilliant effort.
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Robbed in Liverpool. Who would have thought it.
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We remembered how to pass!
We looked like a team again, really pleased with our performance today.
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Made 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' look pretty ordinary, a hard earned point and our last remaining out of sorts striker bags one. Well done lads
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Well played Villa. We look like we've got some good players all of a sudden.
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Great performance, probably the best ive seen for months. Unlucky not to win. Could someone tell these dumb fucks that if you play like that every week, with energy, commitment and a little swagger they will be well into the top half. Credit to Vlaar who was excellent, so was Gabby and Delph. Benteke looked back to his best and everyone else looked good also except maybe Holt who looked like a cart horse, but its early days yet.
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Delph MOM according to SVC
Both Delph and Vlaar were immense.
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Good job, could be three points.
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We'd have won this (and deserved to) if it hadn't been for:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/1517490_783208211706739_1246252053_n.jpg)
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Really impressed by the clear change in attacking emphasis. When we had chances to get forward, we loaded the last third and it really showed. Liverpool couldn't cope first half and as others had said, Gabby going off proved the key.
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Robbed,but a much improved performance. Would have taken a draw before the kickoff.
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Got to be pleased with that.
Fingers crossed on gabby
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I think I'm good at my job. If I'm found to fiddle stuff at work, I'll undoubtedly be sacked & struggle to get a job at a similar level again.
Suarez is undoubtedly good at his job. He's fiddled in front of millions of people, & it's deemed wholly acceptable.
Really pissed off.
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Really good performance first half and well battled second half.
Gabby going off didn't help the formation but the first half display was the superb.
Is there no end to Saurez constantly diving around and screaming?
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Only the second team this season to leave Klanfield with league points.
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Great performance, keep playing football like that and we'll be fine. Well done PL.
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Also, an encouraging display from Holt.
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Only the second team this season to leave Klanfield with league points.
First team to have stopped the buck toothed cheating bastard from scoring at Anfield this season.
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Stan's happy, i'm happy.....Ron Vlaar outstanding, Delph played very well and Benteke becoming the beast once more. Shame we lost Gabby...didn't look serious though.
Must admit started biting my nails when Luna came on.......Bertrand gonna be a class act, hope he will want to stay!
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Much better performance. He should of brought on Albrighton instead of Holt apart from that a very decent unexpected point.
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Come on lads, Guzan should have been more cautious considering Suarez' reputation. I don't think we were robbed exactly. A draw was a fair result.
UTV.
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Benteke is looking like Benteke again. Such a relief. Ryan Bertrand brings so much more stability to LB position.
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Also, an encouraging display from Holt.
I was impressed with him, a bit of nous about him.
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Well that was a turn up, best display since the first week of the season, and if we can carry on in that vein we won't be anywhere near trouble. There was evidence of having done some coaching on the training pitch, we looked confident and everyone played well even KEA and Westwood. Reverted to hoofing a little after Gabby went off but still could have nicked it. Holt did okay, had some nice touches and flicks, Bertrand was excellent and Vlaar outstanding. Gabby is using his strengths really well and improving as a player, the top sides seem to hate playing against him. I think we deserved to win, and if it hadn't been for a ref who is the only person on the planet who doesn't know that Suarez is a diving cheating c**t, and Gabby's injury, I think we would have.
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Performance of the season probably for me. Suarez spent the whole game moaning, cheating and trying to con the ref, succeeding for their winner sadly. Thankfully the ref didn't send off Guzan.
Thought we played superbly first half. We lost a bit of attacking edge without Gabby, but we still looked a threat on the break. Benteke was back to his best. Weimann played well. Holt didn't do too badly when he came on.
Delph was superb. Vlaar too. Bertrand had a solid debut. KEA had his best game in a Villa shirt and Westy looked back to his best again.
Play like that every week and we'll be more than okay. We also showed we're capable of playing football. It makes a difference injecting a bit of attacking intent and some movement into our play.
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Excellent performance, very unlucky to draw this thanks to the league's biggest cheat, but perhaps this is a sign we've turned a corner and we can press on from here. Up to 10th.
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Should have been all over before half time. Looking forward to taking on the saggy baggies!
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Great performance we played really well I'm happy with a point unlucky Gabby had to go off he terrorised them in the first half Vlaar was a rock in defence we passed the ball better just hope we can play like that every game.
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We showed today that we look a much better side when we don't just sit back and let the opposition have 70% of the ball. We used it pretty well at times to day and just had a lot more intent and movement.
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Come on lads, Guzan should have been more cautious considering Suarez' reputation. I don't think we were robbed exactly. A draw was a fair result.
UTV.
He dived, he cheated, that's not Guzans fault...
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Thought we played really well and we should have won. Lambert that is how we want to play each week none of that long ball shit anymore.
I despise the bin dippers I hate them more than any club so it's nice to put an end to any thoughts they had of winning the title :-)
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Come on lads, Guzan should have been more cautious considering Suarez' reputation. I don't think we were robbed exactly. A draw was a fair result.
UTV.
He dived, he cheated, that's not Guzans fault...
Agreed. If he hadn't come for the ball and the buck-toothed twat had scored he'd be criticised for it.
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Terrific first 45 minutes, best in ages. Then after the pen we more than held our own. We were aggressive, energetic, attacking and scored two really excellent goals. When you compare that to our home performances it's a real head scratcher.
The pen was a shame because although Brad never touched him the replay from the ref's angle did make it look like a pen. Ah well, these things happen. Prefer to focus on how good we were. We look at our best when we play with pace and width so it was good to see Bertrand do well at full back and Gabby was excellent in the first half.
I'm not sure Holt and Benteke together is the way to go and whoever said in the match thread that it's Gabby we need cover for was spot on: after he went off we didn't look as good. In retrospect Albrighton might have been a better option than Holt but I can see why Lambert was keen to give him some game time. Holt didn't do anything wrong mind, and in fact he played a part in a very well worked free kick by us that could easily have fallen to someone in the box.
Very encouraging stuff but I'm at a total loss to explain the disparity between our attitude in away games with the insipid stuff we play at home.
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Come on lads, Guzan should have been more cautious considering Suarez' reputation. I don't think we were robbed exactly. A draw was a fair result.
UTV.
Sorry but any ref who possesses decent eyesight and knows that goofy twat's habits should never have been conned into giving that penalty, not from the angle he saw it anyway. He either bottled it or he's bent. Deffo robbed.
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A lot better today showed how good we really can be. Need to do that at home now and we will be a good side.
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
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I officially give up predicting any further Villa result this season.
Well done to the team and travelling fans.
Can you do that at home now chaps?
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well played villa only lost because of cheating suarez on that performance I dont have any relegation worries.
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Performance of the season probably for me. Suarez spent the whole game moaning, cheating and trying to con the ref, succeeding for their winner sadly. Thankfully the ref didn't send off Guzan.
Which game were you watching?
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A good result thought Delph was mom poor displays from Bacuna,sylla and Weimann
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well played villa only lost because of cheating suarez on that performance I dont have any relegation worries.
Er, it was 2-2 mate.
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
It was a blatant dive (https://vine.co/v/hlvEJ12Hvw3)
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
Erh guzan didnt touch him but I dont blame the ref as it looked a pen from first view.
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Performance of the season probably for me. Suarez spent the whole game moaning, cheating and trying to con the ref, succeeding for their winner sadly. Thankfully the ref didn't send off Guzan.
Which game were you watching?
Ha ha!!
Well, I think they'll consider that one a victory given how we were murdering them in the first half. ;)
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well played villa only lost because of cheating suarez on that performance I dont have any relegation worries.
It was 2-2.
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Gabby, Benteke, Vlaar and Delph were very good, everyone else who started did everything you can ask for. Sylla looked lost when he came on which is frustrating as he'd started to look a real find last year.
Our first was really good from Benteke and Gabby and a good run from Weimann. The 2nd was a fantastic cross, I thought the commentator was harsh on mignolet to blame him.
Happy with that, I thought it would be a lot closer than was being predicted on here but i never expected to be gutted that we only got a point.
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Good performance , losing Gabby was a big factor .KEA just doesn't do it for me, shouldn't be in the starting 11.
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And I'm 200 kroner better of thanks to my wife's "tourist fan" cousin and hubby.
100 kr for 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' not winning and 100 kr for correct score
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
It was a blatant dive (https://vine.co/v/hlvEJ12Hvw3)
In your opinion.
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
It was a blatant dive (https://vine.co/v/hlvEJ12Hvw3)
In your opinion.
Click on the link and see for yourself.
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So there is a good team in there. I hope we learn from this and take confidence from the fact we can take the game to the opposition. They have set a standard this evening. Well done villa.
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Good performance , losing Gabby was a big factor .KEA just doesn't do it for me, shouldn't be in the starting 11.
KEA was immense in that first half, he completed dominated Steeeeeevie G. Granted he has been poor at home but away from home I think he has looked worthy of the shirt.
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
It was a blatant dive (https://vine.co/v/hlvEJ12Hvw3)
In your opinion.
Can you identify for everyone where the goalkeeper touched the forward?
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Come on lads, Guzan should have been more cautious considering Suarez' reputation. I don't think we were robbed exactly. A draw was a fair result.
UTV.
He dived, he cheated, that's not Guzans fault...
Agreed. If he hadn't come for the ball and the buck-toothed twat had scored he'd be criticised for it.
Suarez goes to ground because his font leg - the one nowhere near Guzan - collapses. It's a well practised dive and we have been robbed.
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
It was a blatant dive (https://vine.co/v/hlvEJ12Hvw3)
In your opinion.
And the opinion of everyone who knows what a dive is.
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
It was a blatant dive (https://vine.co/v/hlvEJ12Hvw3)
Thank you. Dive
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Encouraging. Galling to lose a two goal lead, but in a similar scenario, we'd have lost that last season.
If we can somehow transfer a bit of that verve and attacking threat we displayed first half into our home performances we'll be fine. Up to 10th too, after two tough games.
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If a keeper comes for the ball and doesn't get it, then the likelihood is a penalty is going to be awarded regardless of how little/no contact there is. It's not right, it's not fair, it's just the reality of how these situations are refereed.
Excellent first half and a decent second half. Really should have had one or two more goals by half time that would have put the game out of sight.
Think we would have won had Gabby stayed on, as their porous defence was really struggling with our pace on the counter.
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I imagine many have commented on something I saw when Gabby went over the hoardings and looked in trouble. The nearest Liverpool supporter showed his concern by getting out his camera to take a picture.
An absolute disgrace and Sky picked it up and no doubt the BBC will tonight.
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I imagine many have commented on something I saw when Gabby went over the hoardings and looked in trouble. The nearest Liverpool supporter showed his concern by getting out his camera to take a picture.
An absolute disgrace and Sky picked it up and no doubt the BBC will tonight.
Do you think there's a premier league ground in the country where a fan wouldn't do exactly the same? (obviously provided they had camera or phone handy)
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
It was a blatant dive (https://vine.co/v/hlvEJ12Hvw3)
In your opinion.
I think in the opinion of anyone with reasonable eyesight. If there was a touch, and I'm not convinced there was, it was due to the cheat thrusting out his trailing leg to touch Guzan. That's not an action by Guzan so how can it be a foul by Guzan? And it would never have been sufficient contact to cause him to fall anyway. Whichever way you look at it, it was never a penalty in a million years. And there was a second, and worse, incident later where Suarez jumped into Sylla, tripped Sylla, then threw himself to the floor and the ref gave Suarez the free kick. Hard to believe what I was seeing, except of course nothing surprises me with these incompetent/dishonest refs these days.
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I imagine many have commented on something I saw when Gabby went over the hoardings and looked in trouble. The nearest Liverpool supporter showed his concern by getting out his camera to take a picture.
An absolute disgrace and Sky picked it up and no doubt the BBC will tonight.
Yeah noticed that. What a fucking moron. I hope he's proud of himself.
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Villa deserved to win when you think clark hit the post ,we lost Gabby who was scaring the shit out of them and Goofy dived for the pen .Well done lads
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
It was a blatant dive (https://vine.co/v/hlvEJ12Hvw3)
In your opinion.
Dear oh dear oh dear.....words fail me which is just as well as I'd very rude if they didn't
Your post beggars belief quite frankly
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
Erh guzan didnt touch him but I dont blame the ref as it looked a pen from first view.
Agreed Ref not at fault - and linesman the wrong side. Suarez knew it and tried it on.
Ref had previously not fallen for his tricks - and had a good game. Unless you have video evidence cheats will get away with it.
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Encouraging. Galling to lose a two goal lead, but in a similar scenario, we'd have lost that last season.
If we can somehow transfer a bit of that verve and attacking threat we displayed first half into our home performances we'll be fine. Up to 10th too, after two tough games.
Liverpool at home against almost anyone this season has been a home win so this is very encouraging. The most encouraging thing is that we went at them and had immense belief. Today as much as the second half of Arsenal will give us so much confidence. Add a player or two and we will be comfortably safe this season.
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Good performance , losing Gabby was a big factor .KEA just doesn't do it for me, shouldn't be in the starting 11.
KEA was immense in that first half, he completed dominated Steeeeeevie G. Granted he has been poor at home but away from home I think he has looked worthy of the shirt.
I thought Weimann took care of Gerrard playing deeper. It's all about opinions ain't it ,another poster thought Weimann was crap.Anyhow lets enjoy it tonight, feel more confident about the next few games especially the baggies.
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
It was a blatant dive (https://vine.co/v/hlvEJ12Hvw3)
In your opinion.
I think in the opinion of anyone with reasonable eyesight. If there was a touch, and I'm not convinced there was, it was due to the cheat thrusting out his trailing leg to touch Guzan. That's not an action by Guzan so how can it be a foul by Guzan? And it would never have been sufficient contact to cause him to fall anyway. Whichever way you look at it, it was never a penalty in a million years. And there was a second, and worse, incident later where Suarez jumped into Sylla, tripped Sylla, then threw himself to the floor and the ref gave Suarez the free kick. Hard to believe what I was seeing, except of course nothing surprises me with these incompetent/dishonest refs these days.
It's unfortunate. Suarez is master conman. Incidents like that, 9 times out of 10 at Anfield are gonna go Liverpools way. There was no contact but that cheating fecker sold it and as soon as it happened I knew it'd be given. But you know there's not an ounce of honesty in that bastard. He's always gonna go down in a situation like that, and most times will get the decision.
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I imagine many have commented on something I saw when Gabby went over the hoardings and looked in trouble. The nearest Liverpool supporter showed his concern by getting out his camera to take a picture.
An absolute disgrace and Sky picked it up and no doubt the BBC will tonight.
Only after laughing about it.
Another thought, how did we end up with 4 yellow cards to their 0, almost the same amount of fouls and in similar situations, but the ref just didn't seem to care about anything they did. The one that really annoyed me was Henderson batting the ball out the air with his hand in the first half. It was so blatant I don't get how the ref didn't see that as a booking.
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
It was a blatant dive (https://vine.co/v/hlvEJ12Hvw3)
In your opinion.
Yes, in applying the laws. I'm sorry mate that's a dive all day.
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
It was a blatant dive (https://vine.co/v/hlvEJ12Hvw3)
In your opinion.
Guzan didn't touch him. There was no contact on either left or right leg. Suarez intentionally simulated a fall as he steps over with his right leg, so he basically conned the ref who pretty has no choice but to give the penalty...and in fairness to the ref, anyone would have given that unless you have a slowed down camera view from the angle linked above.
Arguably the best performance of the season, and hope we can clear any injuries before the Baggies game...we should destroy them if we play like we did today, and it will be interesting how Baggies perform under new management against Everton on Monday.
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First half was great, second half was okay. Bringing on Holt for Agbonlahor was a weird decision.
Oh and fuck off, Suarez.
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Great performance. Thought we would get beaten easily, but we played like we did back end of last season. Gabby loss was a big factor 2nd half but we held our own. He gave us a good outlet. Overall we play like that we'll be fine.
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If Hodgson is Relying on Gerrard for World Cup glory it might be a cheap hotel bill in Brazil. He looked liked he was running through wet cemet first half.
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Result of the day, Stan looking really well on the box
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I think it was a dive even though they are saying on Sky that it was, but you would expect that anyway. I think it was the upward movement of Guzan's right hand that made the referee's mind up. As has been pointed out above, the linesman was on the other side and Suarez is a very clever player and knew at and chanced his arm and got lucky.
I've not been out since before Christmas but tonight's the night and that result and positivity means I'm going to enjoy it.
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Excellent performance all round. Well done all. It's a pity we didn't get 3 points, however I originally predicted a tonking today from them and then our season to start. I'm over the moon with this point as we began to look like a team for 20 minutes against Arsenal and for the most part today. A bit of luck and it would have been another Anfield win.
Lets keep up the hard work, pressing, passing and moving and we'll do just fine. Up the Villa.
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So does this mean that Stevie Me isn't the new Pirlo after all?
Actually sod it, I don't want to talk about him or the vampire.
Benteke has returned, Vlaar is growing a foot taller every game, we have a left back!
Weimann scored, lots of positives to take from today.
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Disappointed we dropped 2 pts. Didn't think I would say that before the game.
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Lucas was the key, when he came on he allowed stevie mŁ to get involved, once we went off we got back into the game.
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Point I never expected, so bloody pleased!
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Better !
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Lucas was the key, when he came on he allowed stevie mŁ to get involved, once we went off we got back into the game.
He is a very good holding midfielder, though I think Gabby going off was the turning point. He was immense up until that point and Liverpool knew it.
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Difficult to tell from our position but we all thought Guzan had pulled that c**t down. Bloke behind showed us a clip of it on his phone. He really does need fucking off out of this league. It won't bother me one iota if someone breaks both his legs and he never plays again. I don't mean Guzan, obviously.
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Made my comment earlier on the game, well done lads.
I would also like to say how fantastic Stiliyan is looking these days.
Made my evening, the both of them.
Cheers.
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Lucas was the key, when he came on he allowed stevie mŁ to get involved, once we went off we got back into the game.
He is a very good holding midfielder, though I think Gabby going off was the turning point. He was immense up until that point and Liverpool knew it.
Agreed that was a really top class performance from Gabby
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Difficult to tell from our position but we all thought Guzan had pulled that c**t down. Bloke behind showed us a clip of it on his phone. He really does need fucking off out of this league. It won't bother me one iota if someone breaks both his legs and he never plays again. I don't mean Guzan, obviously.
Nor me, hope you had a great day out, I'd break them for him if you gave me a hammer
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We drilled them in the first half. We should have been four up easily. The goal just before the break was very frustrating and not reflective of the game.
As soon as I heard the team, I thought we were in with a chance walking to the ground. They had one man in midfield, Gerrard is yesterday's man, only adds anything if you give him time to launch it.
Second half we lost out with Gabby getting injured. Westwood should have hurried his chance after Holts cheeky back heel and good cross.
We didn't hold on and looked decent. It was a surprisingly good display, full of positive running, passing and pressing.
Cracking atmosphere in the away end.
Suarez is a cheating ******. I said it about 100 times while walking back to the car, but no Norwegian day tripper felt brave enough to argue the point. Cheating fucking ****** bag.
I like Bertrand, physical and positionally spot on.
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Benteke is back. Villa are back. Fuck off Suarez.
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I felt optimistic about this game, and whilst we deserved a win I am happy enough with a point (especially paired with such a good performance).
Have to admit I was worried and annoyed when Luna came one, glad we didn't concede late on.
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Best performance of the season, very encouraging. Not quite the hiding predicted by the miserablists.
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Difficult to tell from our position but we all thought Guzan had pulled that c**t down. Bloke behind showed us a clip of it on his phone. He really does need fucking off out of this league. It won't bother me one iota if someone breaks both his legs and he never plays again. I don't mean Guzan, obviously.
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Still very pleased its a positive step forward, Ron is the real deal now.
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Difficult to tell from our position but we all thought Guzan had pulled that c**t down. Bloke behind showed us a clip of it on his phone. He really does need fucking off out of this league. It won't bother me one iota if someone breaks both his legs and he never plays again. I don't mean Guzan, obviously.
Nor me, hope you had a great day out, I'd break them for him if you gave me a hammer
The pre-match pub was top drawer and sold some cracking beer. Roll on Everton away.
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Still very pleased its a positive step forward, Ron is the real deal now.
He is amongst the best CB's in the division right now. He just needs to stay healthy because he brings so much more than his playing ability to the side.
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Thought both debutants did well and contributed to the result. Credit to Weimann, he worked very hard and the run and movement for his goal first class.
Bentekkers us getting there but man of the match was the Captain. We are so much better with Ron in the team.
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
It was a blatant dive (https://vine.co/v/hlvEJ12Hvw3)
In your opinion.
It's quite obvious from the video there was no contact and he started falling after a couple of steps.
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By the way, shout out to KEA. Played well again in the first half. He always seems to be around when we are playing at our most threatening. Good lad.
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Still very pleased its a positive step forward, Ron is the real deal now.
He is amongst the best CB's in the division right now. He just needs to stay healthy because he brings so much more than his playing ability to the side.
He's a good one is Ron and just think if Okore would have fulfilled his potential this season and Benteke not getting that injury I'm sure we would be so much more comfortable. We can play when we have our key players on form.
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
It was a blatant dive (https://vine.co/v/hlvEJ12Hvw3)
In your opinion.
Seriously, are you taking the piss?
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Gary Lineker talking a serious amount of tripe on twitter about the penalty decision at the minute. Claims it wasn't a dive and stupid goalkeeping on Guzan's part. I feel like giving up on football sometimes
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Gary Lineker talking a serious amount of tripe on twitter about the penalty decision at the minute. Claims it wasn't a dive and stupid goalkeeping on Guzan's part. I feel like giving up on football sometimes
That's what he would have been taught to do when he was playing.
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Well played lads - terrific performance. Never a penalty (although watching it live on the box I thought it was before I saw the replay). Great Villa following again. Good day all round.
What do people think of Holt?
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Gary Lineker talking a serious amount of tripe on twitter about the penalty decision at the minute. Claims it wasn't a dive and stupid goalkeeping on Guzan's part. I feel like giving up on football sometimes
I agree with him that it wasn't the smartest bit of keeping ever but the key thing is that Brad didn't touch Suarez, therefore no pen. But like I said before, it did look a stonewaller from the ref's angle so I can see why it was given.
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I'm struggling to understand why people are saying you can;t blame the ref for the pen. First off he was directly behind the incident, and the view from the camera at the far end - similar to his view but further away - clearly showed there was little or no contact and certainly not enough to warrant a swan dive. Second, unless he's been living on a distant planet for the last two or three years, the ref would know, like everyone else does, that Suarez is a cheating diving c**t. Thus any going to ground by that clown should be treated with the utmost suspicion and scepticism, unless you are 1500% certain he was fouled. But as usual with the SKy pet teams the refs are all too ready to give anything when they go to ground against one of the "making up the numbers" brigade.
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Fantastic first half, we were very good. Credit to Al Hamadi, probay his best performance in a Villa shirt. The pen, it looked one at normal speed from where the ref was positioned. Diving aside, Suarez is one of the best players I have ever seen, he's not particularly quick or strong but the way he positions himself to draw fouls and moves into space, a fantastic player. ****** mind.
Really missed Gabby when he went off, they had their tails up after his withdrawal.
Well done Villa.
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kt has got it spot on.
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Gary Lineker talking a serious amount of tripe on twitter about the penalty decision at the minute. Claims it wasn't a dive and stupid goalkeeping on Guzan's part. I feel like giving up on football sometimes
Typical of the thick pundits at work today, how can it be anything other than a dive when he wasn't impeded in any way? He's the kind of twat that comes out with "there was contact" and "he wasn't the last man" because he's too lazy and dumb to actually read and understand the laws of the game
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I imagine many have commented on something I saw when Gabby went over the hoardings and looked in trouble. The nearest Liverpool supporter showed his concern by getting out his camera to take a picture.
An absolute disgrace and Sky picked it up and no doubt the BBC will tonight.
He looked like he was taking a photo of his food to put on Facebook before he are it.
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Never should have been a penalty. Saurez realised he had knocked it too wide to go around Guzan so went down. No way could Guzan have been sent off as Vlaar had cut back to cover the goal.
Vlaar looking like the player Lambert saw when he bought him. It has not been easy for him with injuries and having to carry the entire defence at times.
Unlucky not to get three points. Well done.
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Watched the last 20 mins. Pleasantly surprised to see the score at 2-2 and villa seemingly taking the game to Liverpool.
One thing though, vlaar may have got mom, but the player that stood out for me in the last 20 mins was Gerard. Much as I hate him and every season I always think he's on the slide -Still got an eye for a pass though, wins his tackles and always a threat going forward. Not sure who was playing at right back for us today, but gave the ball away badly in our own half 2 or 3 times. Worst one was right near the end and I thought: here we go, 3-2.
The post match highlights on fox, made it looks very entertaining game, villa hitting the post and Guzan with a world class save down to his left to keep one out. Although it went wide, he also looked to have had that Suarez free kick covered towards the end as well.
Pleased with a point and what looked like a much improved performance. That Bertrand fella looked pretty assured too. I didn't know he'd joined us until the commentary mentioned it. Loan signing, presumably?
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Credit to Al Hamadi, probay his best performance in a Villa shirt.
We should change his nickname to KAH, sounds much cooler.
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Petrov also said it was a pen. It was a dive, but skys super-slow motion zoom camera did suggest a slight contact. My first reaction was that Brad was a bit rash. Suarez is truly detestable though.
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I'm struggling to understand why people are saying you can;t blame the ref for the pen. First off he was directly behind the incident, and the view from the camera at the far end - similar to his view but further away - clearly showed there was little or no contact and certainly not enough to warrant a swan dive. Second, unless he's been living on a distant planet for the last two or three years, the ref would know, like everyone else does, that Suarez is a cheating diving c**t. Thus any going to ground by that clown should be treated with the utmost suspicion and scepticism, unless you are 1500% certain he was fouled. But as usual with the SKy pet teams the refs are all too ready to give anything when they go to ground against one of the "making up the numbers" brigade.
If you have ever been a referee you will know the ref could not be blamed. Without video evidence he gave the decision. You can't think Suarez is a diving cheat - you have to judge what you see. The fact that he took no further action against Guzan means there was some doubt in his mind. If he had not given the pen and there had been contact he would had been crucified and sent to league 1.
Some refs are up themselves - I don't think this one today was. Had it been one of the prima donna refs we would have lost today. If you want me to name names I will.
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On the train back home feeling quite chuffed with that performance. Couldn't see the penalty incident but sounds like it was a dive. Suarez did seem to fall down quite easily several times during the game.
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Best 45 minutes in years. Superb football that should easily transfer to Villa Park as we played like the home team. I think we can now put to bed any questions of whether it's the tactics or the "cheap, foreign and lower division players" that's made us one of the ugliest Villa side in years. The lads were brilliant, crisp passing to feet, great movement and winning every 50/50 ball. The only complaint was we weren't 5 or 6 up at half time.
Second half after losing Gabby we lost our shape and purpose with the introduction of Holt. He tried his best but as others have said, the in-form Albrighton was the obvious replacement to keep our balance. Still, we managed to restrict Liverpool to few chances and not many teams can claim that at Anfield this season. All players deserve credit today but to name a few I can't miss out Bertrand whose positioning was excellent, nothing like the narrow back four Lambert prefers with Luna and Bennett. Vlaar really is having a great season, Delph looked back to his best, as did Benteke and Gabby drove us forward in only the way Gabby can. Westwood had his best game this season as did Andi Wiemann.. even KEA looked like a footballer today.
Well done lads. No more excuses, Lambert. Whatever you did today you need to repeat and build on. We were a joy to watch.
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Come on lads, Guzan should have been more cautious considering Suarez' reputation. I don't think we were robbed exactly. A draw was a fair result.
UTV.
He dived, he cheated, that's not Guzans fault...
Guzan gave him the opportunity to go down. You're not seeing the same thing I'm seeing, you can whinge all you like about decisions, I'd rather accept the reality that players go down in the box looking for penalties/forcing contact and hope that our defenders and keepers don't lunge in like Guzan did today unless they get the ball. Guzan didn't touch the ball. Asking for trouble.
That is what I would tell my players as a manager, not 'it doesn't matter, he dived, we were robbed' etc. Don't give players like that the opportunities to con the ref.
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So what given there was minimal, if any contact at all and it was a pen. What would have happened if brad would have got there first then Suarez trod on his arm, again minimal contact, but he must have been studs up. Would he have been sent off for a dangerous challenge
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No way could Guzan have been sent off as Vlaar had cut back to cover the goal.
Vlaar was irrelevant in that situation, there was no way Suarez was in a position to score having knocked it wide/out, so it doesn't matter about where anyone else was.
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I imagine many have commented on something I saw when Gabby went over the hoardings and looked in trouble. The nearest Liverpool supporter showed his concern by getting out his camera to take a picture.
An absolute disgrace and Sky picked it up and no doubt the BBC will tonight.
He looked like he was taking a photo of his food to put on Facebook before he are it.
Did not want to move too fast in case his DLA and Blue Badge was taken away.
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I'm struggling to understand why people are saying you can;t blame the ref for the pen. First off he was directly behind the incident, and the view from the camera at the far end - similar to his view but further away - clearly showed there was little or no contact and certainly not enough to warrant a swan dive. Second, unless he's been living on a distant planet for the last two or three years, the ref would know, like everyone else does, that Suarez is a cheating diving c**t. Thus any going to ground by that clown should be treated with the utmost suspicion and scepticism, unless you are 1500% certain he was fouled. But as usual with the SKy pet teams the refs are all too ready to give anything when they go to ground against one of the "making up the numbers" brigade.
If you have ever been a referee you will know the ref could not be blamed. Without video evidence he gave the decision. You can't think Suarez is a diving cheat - you have to judge what you see. The fact that he took no further action against Guzan means there was some doubt in his mind. If he had not given the pen and there had been contact he would had been crucified and sent to league 1.
Some refs are up themselves - I don't think this one today was. Had it been one of the prima donna refs we would have lost today. If you want me to name names I will.
If there is any doubt in his mind and he is not 100% certain, he should not give it.
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Gary Lineker talking a serious amount of tripe on twitter about the penalty decision at the minute. Claims it wasn't a dive and stupid goalkeeping on Guzan's part. I feel like giving up on football sometimes
Lineker is what he is, a one dimensional footballer and a one dimensional presenter.
Typical of the thick pundits at work today, how can it be anything other than a dive when he wasn't impeded in any way? He's the kind of twat that comes out with "there was contact" and "he wasn't the last man" because he's too lazy and dumb to actually read and understand the laws of the game
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Difficult to tell from our position but we all thought Guzan had pulled that c**t down. Bloke behind showed us a clip of it on his phone. He really does need fucking off out of this league. It won't bother me one iota if someone breaks both his legs and he never plays again. I don't mean Guzan, obviously.
Nor me, hope you had a great day out, I'd break them for him if you gave me a hammer
The pre-match pub was top drawer and sold some cracking beer. Roll on Everton away.
Great stuff, hope you and Pauline had a fantastic time!
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@GaryLineker: Much debate as to whether Suarez dived. Any striker knows in that position, if he can nudge it past on rushing keeper, he'll be fouled....
@GaryLineker: It's clearly making the most of a keeper's recklessness and completely different to diving with no contact. Playing for pen? Yes. Diving? No
@StanCollymore: Some pundits are hiding behind the fact they dived themselves so would look silly calling it out now.
"Diving is diving".
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Well said, Mark. Lambert needs to build on this. The job is nowhere near done yet.
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Come on lads, Guzan should have been more cautious considering Suarez' reputation. I don't think we were robbed exactly. A draw was a fair result.
UTV.
He dived, he cheated, that's not Guzans fault...
Guzan gave him the opportunity to go down. You're not seeing the same thing I'm seeing, you can whinge all you like about decisions, I'd rather accept the reality that players go down in the box looking for penalties/forcing contact and hope that our defenders and keepers don't lunge in like Guzan did today unless they get the ball. Guzan didn't touch the ball. Asking for trouble.
That is what I would tell my players as a manager, not 'it doesn't matter, he dived, we were robbed' etc. Don't give players like that the opportunities to con the ref.
Sigh. The modern day football fan encapsulated in one post
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@GaryLineker: Much debate as to whether Suarez dived. Any striker knows in that position, if he can nudge it past on rushing keeper, he'll be fouled....
@GaryLineker: It's clearly making the most of a keeper's recklessness and completely different to diving with no contact. Playing for pen? Yes. Diving? No
@StanCollymore: Some pundits are hiding behind the fact they dived themselves so would look silly calling it out now.
"Diving is diving".
@GaryLineker You're talking out of your arse.
@StanCollymore Get in there!
Is this how Twatter works?
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Look at the expression on his face at the point of simulated contact, it's as if he's been shot.
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Come on lads, Guzan should have been more cautious considering Suarez' reputation. I don't think we were robbed exactly. A draw was a fair result.
UTV.
He dived, he cheated, that's not Guzans fault...
Guzan gave him the opportunity to go down. You're not seeing the same thing I'm seeing, you can whinge all you like about decisions, I'd rather accept the reality that players go down in the box looking for penalties/forcing contact and hope that our defenders and keepers don't lunge in like Guzan did today unless they get the ball. Guzan didn't touch the ball. Asking for trouble.
So "giving someone the opportunity to go down" means it's a foul? Players going down in the box all the time means it's a foul? "Forcing contact" means it's a foul? Are you on some kind of medication? It's the ref's job to spot when all those things are goign on, or when there is a genuine foul, and to know the bloody difference. And these days they are paid rather handsomely to do so. He failed miserably, the replays show that to be the case. Simple.
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Come on lads, Guzan should have been more cautious considering Suarez' reputation. I don't think we were robbed exactly. A draw was a fair result.
UTV.
He dived, he cheated, that's not Guzans fault...
Guzan gave him the opportunity to go down. You're not seeing the same thing I'm seeing, you can whinge all you like about decisions, I'd rather accept the reality that players go down in the box looking for penalties/forcing contact and hope that our defenders and keepers don't lunge in like Guzan did today unless they get the ball. Guzan didn't touch the ball. Asking for trouble.
That is what I would tell my players as a manager, not 'it doesn't matter, he dived, we were robbed' etc. Don't give players like that the opportunities to con the ref.
Sigh. The modern day football fan encapsulated in one post
You've not countered anything. I understand why the penalty was given, watch it again and Guzan pulls his arms in as he's level with Suarez to presumably avoid touching his legs and bringing him down, instead of extending them and palming the ball away. Also as someone else said, the ref makes the call in a split second, it looked a penalty in real time (looks close to one in slow mo from about 5 different angles too).
You're welcome to your victim complex, just pointing out it's completely biased and unrealistic.
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What will Lineker say in the summer when Suarez dives for Uruguay against England?
Can see it now Gerrard makes the challenge and he goes down.
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Well, where the fuck did that come from???
Excellent first half, regressed slightly in the second, but kept going and had our moments.
The difference in confidence between playing at home and away is ridiculous. Today, players passed the ball, moved to a position to have the ball back an then receive the ball without panicking.
Can we move on from this? Let's hope so.
Thought Bertrand fitted in well and I felt much more at ease with him playing.
Vlarr was great. We look so much better when he plays.
Gabby going off was a big blow.
Everyone contributed and played well.
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@GaryLineker: Much debate as to whether Suarez dived. Any striker knows in that position, if he can nudge it past on rushing keeper, he'll be fouled....
@GaryLineker: It's clearly making the most of a keeper's recklessness and completely different to diving with no contact. Playing for pen? Yes. Diving? No
@StanCollymore: Some pundits are hiding behind the fact they dived themselves so would look silly calling it out now.
"Diving is diving".
@GaryLineker You're talking out of your arse.
@StanCollymore Get in there!
Is this how Twatter works?
Nice one Stanloi
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Come on lads, Guzan should have been more cautious considering Suarez' reputation. I don't think we were robbed exactly. A draw was a fair result.
UTV.
He dived, he cheated, that's not Guzans fault...
Guzan gave him the opportunity to go down. You're not seeing the same thing I'm seeing, you can whinge all you like about decisions, I'd rather accept the reality that players go down in the box looking for penalties/forcing contact and hope that our defenders and keepers don't lunge in like Guzan did today unless they get the ball. Guzan didn't touch the ball. Asking for trouble.
That is what I would tell my players as a manager, not 'it doesn't matter, he dived, we were robbed' etc. Don't give players like that the opportunities to con the ref.
Sigh. The modern day football fan encapsulated in one post
If one of my kids did what Suarez did today, I'd take him off and tell the designated penalty-taker to miss. Yes, I know there's a massive difference between Primary School football and the Premier League.
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@GaryLineker: Much debate as to whether Suarez dived. Any striker knows in that position, if he can nudge it past on rushing keeper, he'll be fouled....
@GaryLineker: It's clearly making the most of a keeper's recklessness and completely different to diving with no contact. Playing for pen? Yes. Diving? No
@StanCollymore: Some pundits are hiding behind the fact they dived themselves so would look silly calling it out now.
"Diving is diving".
@GaryLineker You're talking out of your arse.
@StanCollymore Get in there!
Is this how Twatter works?
That's pretty much how the internet works.
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Best performance since the opening week. The beast is back. Left back is sorted till summer. Get some midfield help in now and continue to play football. It was an enjoyable watch today.
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Come on lads, Guzan should have been more cautious considering Suarez' reputation. I don't think we were robbed exactly. A draw was a fair result.
UTV.
He dived, he cheated, that's not Guzans fault...
Guzan gave him the opportunity to go down. You're not seeing the same thing I'm seeing, you can whinge all you like about decisions, I'd rather accept the reality that players go down in the box looking for penalties/forcing contact and hope that our defenders and keepers don't lunge in like Guzan did today unless they get the ball. Guzan didn't touch the ball. Asking for trouble.
That is what I would tell my players as a manager, not 'it doesn't matter, he dived, we were robbed' etc. Don't give players like that the opportunities to con the ref.
Sigh. The modern day football fan encapsulated in one post
You've not countered anything. I understand why the penalty was given, watch it again and Guzan pulls his arms in as he's level with Suarez to presumably avoid touching his legs and bringing him down, instead of extending them and palming the ball away. Also as someone else said, the ref makes the call in a split second, it looked a penalty in real time (looks close to one in slow mo from about 5 different angles too).
You're welcome to your victim complex, just pointing out it's completely biased and unrealistic.
Thank you sunshine...as I said, the modern day football fan encapsulated in two posts now
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Good performance , losing Gabby was a big factor .KEA just doesn't do it for me, shouldn't be in the starting 11.
On a normal day id probably agree but it's comments like this that remind me how subjective peoples opinions on football are. Kea won us a point today with an absolutely outstanding 40mins. He ran the game and was absolutely everywhere
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Arsenal home and away Man City home,Chelsea away, Liverpool away,
Anyone think we perform better against top sides
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I we'd scored at least 3 before they got one we would not be arguing about diving.
Unlucky to have missed the chances we had.
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If one of my kids did what Suarez did today, I'd take him off and tell the designated penalty-taker to miss. Yes, I know there's a massive difference between Primary School football and the Premier League.
Would you still be so righteous if it was a penalty to win us the league or European Cup that had been dubiously won?
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Come on lads, Guzan should have been more cautious considering Suarez' reputation. I don't think we were robbed exactly. A draw was a fair result.
UTV.
He dived, he cheated, that's not Guzans fault...
Guzan gave him the opportunity to go down. You're not seeing the same thing I'm seeing, you can whinge all you like about decisions, I'd rather accept the reality that players go down in the box looking for penalties/forcing contact and hope that our defenders and keepers don't lunge in like Guzan did today unless they get the ball. Guzan didn't touch the ball. Asking for trouble.
That is what I would tell my players as a manager, not 'it doesn't matter, he dived, we were robbed' etc. Don't give players like that the opportunities to con the ref.
Sigh. The modern day football fan encapsulated in one post
If one of my kids did what Suarez did today, I'd take him off and tell the designated penalty-taker to miss. Yes, I know there's a massive difference between Primary School football and the Premier League.
You need to get shot of that victim complex, it was Guzan who should have been hauled off for deliberately creating an opportunity to cheat. You need to get with the rules and where it's at Leeg...
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If one of my kids did what Suarez did today, I'd take him off and tell the designated penalty-taker to miss. Yes, I know there's a massive difference between Primary School football and the Premier League.
Would you still be so righteous if it was a penalty to win us the league or European Cup that had been dubiously won?
See the part of that post I've put in bold for you.
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A really good night's work that.
Two goals, Benteke back in business, Weimann remembering what the net with the goalposts actually is and back in the top half.
Shame we couldn't hang onto the win but as much as everyone will look at Suarez's dive, what killed us was conceding right on half time which gave Liverpool a boost. I think if we'd gone in 2 up,we could've replicated last season's result.
Still I'll forgive the players letting the two goal lead go as in fairness we've been way better at holding leads this season than in most seasons and 9 out of 10 prem clubs have lost at Liverpool this season.
Now can we have some of this excitement at Villa Park please?
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Much more like it. Suarez is the best player in the league but I hope he breaks his fucking legs because he's a despicable waste of spunk. Blatant dive and robs us of the points.
Play like this at home FFS.
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Hmmmm, plenty of our players went over easily, just not in so high profile positions. Cheating, simulating, being cunning, call it what you will is endemic throughout football.
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If one of my kids did what Suarez did today, I'd take him off and tell the designated penalty-taker to miss. Yes, I know there's a massive difference between Primary School football and the Premier League.
Would you still be so righteous if it was a penalty to win us the league or European Cup that had been dubiously won?
I wouldn't want to win anything by cheating
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Given how we played, even if we had lost, I felt we could hold our heads high, unlike after some other performances. Don't do Twitter, but #proud of the lads tonight.
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What will Lineker say in the summer when Suarez dives for Uruguay against England?
Can see it now Gerrard makes the challenge and he goes down.
Oh the delicious irony of that.
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Apparently cheating now has the new title of "drawing contact". The referee can only give what he sees and there's no way on this earth that he can see and be certain that there is any contact. Therefore he's guessed, not surprisingly, in Liverpools favour.
Anyway great performance by the whole team & Lambert for how he set us up.
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Yeah that Guzan is a stupid match loser. Get rid.
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Thank you sunshine...as I said, the modern day football fan encapsulated in two posts now
'I can't counter his argument so I'll play the 'I've been watching football longer than you' card' ;D
In a dream world I'd stamp out diving, of course I don't agree with it and don't want it in the game. It is here though, sadly. It's not gonna go, so you do what you can to maximise your chances of winning and not falling victim to this sort of shit.
Some people's views on this are so myopic.
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If one of my kids did what Suarez did today, I'd take him off and tell the designated penalty-taker to miss. Yes, I know there's a massive difference between Primary School football and the Premier League.
Would you still be so righteous if it was a penalty to win us the league or European Cup that had been dubiously won?
See the part of that post I've put in bold for you.
Yes I got that bit. So you would be fine with it if we won something.
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Not sure the ref was but easily the best signing since Fergie signed Howard Webb. Villa tackles promptly booked but nothing to temper persistent Liverpool fouling in good areas.
Holt better than I thought. Weimann let himself down with decisions in the final 3rd but got into better positions.
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By far the most important thing today was the performance, much much more important than the difference between 3 points and 1.
I've not seen the match bar the goals, but it sounds like we were way, way more convincing, and that's exactly what we needed.
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I'm struggling to understand why people are saying you can;t blame the ref for the pen. First off he was directly behind the incident, and the view from the camera at the far end - similar to his view but further away - clearly showed there was little or no contact and certainly not enough to warrant a swan dive. Second, unless he's been living on a distant planet for the last two or three years, the ref would know, like everyone else does, that Suarez is a cheating diving c**t. Thus any going to ground by that clown should be treated with the utmost suspicion and scepticism, unless you are 1500% certain he was fouled. But as usual with the SKy pet teams the refs are all too ready to give anything when they go to ground against one of the "making up the numbers" brigade.
If you have ever been a referee you will know the ref could not be blamed. Without video evidence he gave the decision. You can't think Suarez is a diving cheat - you have to judge what you see. The fact that he took no further action against Guzan means there was some doubt in his mind. If he had not given the pen and there had been contact he would had been crucified and sent to league 1.
Some refs are up themselves - I don't think this one today was. Had it been one of the prima donna refs we would have lost today. If you want me to name names I will.
1. First, how do you know I've never reffed?
2. If there was some doubt he should not have given a game changing decision.
3. If he had got it wrong by not giving it it's no different to getting it wrong by giving it. Wrong is wrong whatever the decision. I don't see how you can differentiate and say one is acceptable and one deserves demotion, that's nonsensical.
4. He didn't give what he saw. He couldn't have done because he gave a foul when there was clearly no foul, as countless replays have proven. He gave what he thought he saw, or he gave what he wanted to see and he did so because Suarez is a convincing cheat and/or Liverpool are on of the elite. A professional referee should have taken Suarez's nature into account, but that probably didn't suit his (or the premier league's) agenda.
5. The fact he took no further action against Guzan is, to me, the ref's admission that he gave a very dodgy decision. It was certainly not a red since a goalscoring opportunity was not on the cards as Suarez had knocked it wide away from the goal and out of play. But almost any ref would have given a yellow in that situation if they genuinely believed enough contact had been made to make the player go down.
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Yeah that Guzan is a stupid match loser. Get rid.
Not what I said (or think), but OK.
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No.
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I'd rather be mid table than have to resort to that to get results, I honestly would.
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I'm struggling to understand why people are saying you can;t blame the ref for the pen. First off he was directly behind the incident, and the view from the camera at the far end - similar to his view but further away - clearly showed there was little or no contact and certainly not enough to warrant a swan dive. Second, unless he's been living on a distant planet for the last two or three years, the ref would know, like everyone else does, that Suarez is a cheating diving c**t. Thus any going to ground by that clown should be treated with the utmost suspicion and scepticism, unless you are 1500% certain he was fouled. But as usual with the SKy pet teams the refs are all too ready to give anything when they go to ground against one of the "making up the numbers" brigade.
If you have ever been a referee you will know the ref could not be blamed. Without video evidence he gave the decision. You can't think Suarez is a diving cheat - you have to judge what you see. The fact that he took no further action against Guzan means there was some doubt in his mind. If he had not given the pen and there had been contact he would had been crucified and sent to league 1.
Some refs are up themselves - I don't think this one today was. Had it been one of the prima donna refs we would have lost today. If you want me to name names I will.
1. First, how do you know I've never reffed?
2. If there was some doubt he should not have given a game changing decision.
3. If he had got it wrong by not giving it it's no different to getting it wrong by giving it. Wrong is wrong whatever the decision. I don't see how you can differentiate and say one is acceptable and one deserves demotion, that's nonsensical.
4. He didn't give what he saw. He couldn't have done because he gave a foul when there was clearly no foul, as countless replays have proven. He gave what he thought he saw, or he gave what he wanted to see and he did so because Suarez is a convincing cheat and/or Liverpool are on of the elite. A professional referee should have taken Suarez's nature into account, but that probably didn't suit his (or the premier league's) agenda.
5. The fact he took no further action against Guzan is, to me, the ref's admission that he gave a very dodgy decision. It was certainly not a red since a goalscoring opportunity was not on the cards as Suarez had knocked it wide away from the goal and out of play. But almost any ref would have given a yellow in that situation if they genuinely believed enough contact had been made to make the player go down.
No. 3 it may seem non-sensical but that is how refs are judged. To keep your place on the premier list you have to try and not appear to make mistakes. A very difficult task.
95% of a ref's decisions are straight-forward. The 5% or less when you can't see exactly what happens you have to gamble. Giving a penalty in this case was the safer option. The ref will be excused as it was a difficult call.
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Yeah that Guzan is a stupid match loser. Get rid.
Not what I said (or think), but OK.
I don't think Mr. Green is being entirely serious here.
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I'd rather be mid table than have to resort to that to get results, I honestly would.
I wouldn't to be fair. If a few dodgy pens would win us the league then I hope we sign some divers.
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Just back. Not read the thread yet but the most pleasing thing today was the fact that for the first time in a long while we played with two full backs who both looked as though they knew how to play football.
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Yeah that Guzan is a stupid match loser. Get rid.
Not what I said (or think), but OK.
I don't think Mr. Green is being entirely serious here.
You think I was?
As I said, people are uncapable of acknowledging the shades of grey and seeing it as black and white. Obviously he's responding to the stuff I've posted by taking the piss.
Saying I think players should be vigilant around twats like Suarez does not mean Guzan is a game loser. I just want my team to win.
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Can you imagine the uproar if Suarez did that at the world cup against England? The backlash would be ridiculous. The fact that he clearly slowed his run to make sure he could nick the ball and try to make contact with Guzan was evidence enough. It was in his mind as soon as he made the first touch. It's things like this that make modern day football a joke.
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Good performance and point. Maybe Faulkener knows more than me and countless others after all.
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On the the dive issue. For me it wasn't a pen and he should have been booked for simulation. That said if Benteke did that with the last kick of the game for 3 points I wouldn't give a flying fish.
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If there was some doubt he should not have given a game changing decision
I'm sorry but, you shouldn't have included that in your list of arguments because I know from experience that a referee would not give a penalty if he wasn't 100% sure in his own mind. Irrespective of whether we think it was or wasn't, and I happen to think it wasn't, he obviously did.
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It's so much nicer writing on here when we have played well - and been unlucky not to have taken all 3 points.
You can wind up fellow posters and look forward to further match threads when we are hopefully not worrying about the R word.
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Yeah that Guzan is a stupid match loser. Get rid.
Not what I said (or think), but OK.
I don't think Mr. Green is being entirely serious here.
Obviously he's responding to the stuff I've posted by taking the piss.
Saying I think players should be vigilant around twats like Suarez does not mean Guzan is a game loser.
Exactly. Chill a little.
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Its been mentioned before, but today I think we have to give some credit to KEA. He looked a lot better on the ball than he normally does, and he pretty much marked Gerrard out of the game at times.
Away from home especially, his pressing/harrying of the opposition is very good. And he can finish, given the chance.
Still not brilliant, but used correctly, he can be an asset to the team.
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Exactly. Chill a little.
Despite being 'robbed', I'm surprisingly tranquil.
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MUCH MUCH MUCH better, especially first half
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Yeah that Guzan is a stupid match loser. Get rid.
Not what I said (or think), but OK.
I don't think Mr. Green is being entirely serious here.
You think I was?
As I said, people are uncapable of acknowledging the shades of grey and seeing it as black and white. Obviously he's responding to the stuff I've posted by taking the piss.
Saying I think players should be vigilant around twats like Suarez does not mean Guzan is a game loser. I just want my team to win.
I don't think you do for a minute.
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I don't think you do for a minute.
Honest mate, I do.
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
Guzan din't bring him down, he didn't even touch him
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Its been mentioned before, but today I think we have to give some credit to KEA. He looked a lot better on the ball than he normally does, and he pretty much marked Gerrard out of the game at times.
Away from home especially, his pressing/harrying of the opposition is very good. And he can finish, given the chance.
Still not brilliant, but used correctly, he can be an asset to the team.
think we watched a different game, dekko. He closed down and harried high up the pitch, which was good, but he was slow and gave the ball away so often it negated his good work. Delph was fantastic, as was Gabby. Another two assists for the footballing scarecrow. Back four looked good and played well
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I'm struggling to understand why people are saying you can;t blame the ref for the pen. First off he was directly behind the incident, and the view from the camera at the far end - similar to his view but further away - clearly showed there was little or no contact and certainly not enough to warrant a swan dive. Second, unless he's been living on a distant planet for the last two or three years, the ref would know, like everyone else does, that Suarez is a cheating diving c**t. Thus any going to ground by that clown should be treated with the utmost suspicion and scepticism, unless you are 1500% certain he was fouled. But as usual with the SKy pet teams the refs are all too ready to give anything when they go to ground against one of the "making up the numbers" brigade.
If you have ever been a referee you will know the ref could not be blamed. Without video evidence he gave the decision. You can't think Suarez is a diving cheat - you have to judge what you see. The fact that he took no further action against Guzan means there was some doubt in his mind. If he had not given the pen and there had been contact he would had been crucified and sent to league 1.
Some refs are up themselves - I don't think this one today was. Had it been one of the prima donna refs we would have lost today. If you want me to name names I will.
1. First, how do you know I've never reffed?
2. If there was some doubt he should not have given a game changing decision.
3. If he had got it wrong by not giving it it's no different to getting it wrong by giving it. Wrong is wrong whatever the decision. I don't see how you can differentiate and say one is acceptable and one deserves demotion, that's nonsensical.
4. He didn't give what he saw. He couldn't have done because he gave a foul when there was clearly no foul, as countless replays have proven. He gave what he thought he saw, or he gave what he wanted to see and he did so because Suarez is a convincing cheat and/or Liverpool are on of the elite. A professional referee should have taken Suarez's nature into account, but that probably didn't suit his (or the premier league's) agenda.
5. The fact he took no further action against Guzan is, to me, the ref's admission that he gave a very dodgy decision. It was certainly not a red since a goalscoring opportunity was not on the cards as Suarez had knocked it wide away from the goal and out of play. But almost any ref would have given a yellow in that situation if they genuinely believed enough contact had been made to make the player go down.
No. 3 it may seem non-sensical but that is how refs are judged. To keep your place on the premier list you have to try and not appear to make mistakes. A very difficult task.
95% of a ref's decisions are straight-forward. The 5% or less when you can't see exactly what happens you have to gamble. Giving a penalty in this case was the safer option. The ref will be excused as it was a difficult call.
Regardless of how ref's are judged you appear to be talking nonsense. "You have to try and appear not to make mistakes"? I see. So you can make mistakes as long as you appear not to be making mistakes. Sorry but WTF? And in what parallel universe does the fact that today's ref made a blatant mistake make him "appear not to be making mistakes". And why was giving a very dubious pen the safer option? Because it was Liverpool? One of the elite, and at home? And the media backlash is likely to be that much bigger if he gets it wrong to their detriment? Well at least that bit makes some sense even if it just proves the innate favouritism. If he has to "gamble" he should be giving the defending team the benefit of the doubt rather than effectively giving the other team a goal. You do not give a pen unless you are certain. If what you describe is the kind of "logic" that is being applied in Premier League reffing circles, no wonder it's a fucking farce.
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
It was a blatant dive (https://vine.co/v/hlvEJ12Hvw3)
In your opinion.
Oh dear here we go, there's always one who needs to be centre of attention.
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
Tbh this is a fair point also, Gabby missed a brilliant chance but created two so can't really expect much more.
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I agree with dekko. I am one of his biggest critics, but thought KEA did well today. He was harrying people into mistakesand did a good job for the team, can do a job away from home. I thought we played really well and Bertrand will be a big asset for the rest of the season and hopefully more. The set up was really good and it was a shame Gabby got injured as he was a major problem for them. Holt did ok to be fair, but it was a loss. Benteke was excellent, but my MOTM was big Ron. He was superb again
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Its been mentioned before, but today I think we have to give some credit to KEA. He looked a lot better on the ball than he normally does, and he pretty much marked Gerrard out of the game at times.
Away from home especially, his pressing/harrying of the opposition is very good. And he can finish, given the chance.
Still not brilliant, but used correctly, he can be an asset to the team.
think we watched a different game, dekko. He closed down and harried high up the pitch, which was good, but he was slow and gave the ball away so often it negated his good work. Delph was fantastic, as was Gabby. Another two assists for the footballing scarecrow. Back four looked good and played well
Agree with you glasses. He really tries hard though and is a Villa player who is proud to wear the shirt.
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Any news on Gabby? If not do you think it was just a precaution or will he be looking at some time out?
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Any news on Gabby? If not do you think it was just a precaution or will he be looking at some time out?
It's Villa. We don't do precautions. He's probably broke his neck.
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I don't think you do for a minute.
Honest mate, I do.
Pity we can't discuss it over a pint. There's a lot misinterpreted on forums like this. To be honest, I would discuss anything over a pint. I am dry as a bone and this train is crawling.
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He has a foot injury
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I too must offer an olive branch. I was not taking the piss Smirker when I said what I did about Guzan. If you took it as piss taking I apologize. I intended the comment to be a bit of levity in the thread to return the focus onto a great game and and a great performance.
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Best performance of the season for me. Outstanding first half, but I knew once they sneaked in a goal right on the half time mark we'd be under the cosh second half. I think gabby going off didn't help and Liverpool pushed on from then on, but still we didn't give in. Only another dive from the cheat Suarez cost us the deserved 3 points.
Well done, Villa. More of the same from now on!!
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Just back. From the pub! Awesome game The Villa were fantastic. Should've been for 4.0 by half time. Rat face is a cheat. The first half we were incredible and played them off the park. The only disappointment was the substitution of Holt for Gabby should have been Marco. Great to have some excitement watching our boys play !!!
UTFFAV.
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I'd rather be mid table than have to resort to that to get results, I honestly would.
I wouldn't to be fair. If a few dodgy pens would win us the league then I hope we sign some divers.
I can recall a few matches at Villa Park where Ash blatantly dived and won us a penalty. I didn't applaud the decision and I didn't cheer the resulting goals. I did however call Ash a cheating cocksocket though. I fucking hate cheats. If diving is acceptable then taking performance enhancing drugs should also be acceptable IMO. Why should one form of cheating be right and another be wrong?
As for the match, well done Villa. Thought Delph was outstanding and both debutantes played well.
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Delighted with the performance, particularly first half. Wasn't expecting such a quick start by us and we should have had the match sewn up before the first Liverpool goal. If we could have held on until half time I would have fancied a repeat of last season up there. On the penalty, contact was minimal at best. Look at the reaction of half the Kop - they didn't even appeal. Overall though, it's a point more than I expected. Plus Benteke looks back to his best.
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Also great to our defence bullying their strikers. The defence was awesome. Not letting RF score is a big boost for their confidence.
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I'd rather be mid table than have to resort to that to get results, I honestly would.
I wouldn't to be fair. If a few dodgy pens would win us the league then I hope we sign some divers.
I can recall a few matches at Villa Park where Ash blatantly dived and won us a penalty. I didn't applaud the decision and I didn't cheer the resulting goals. I did however call Ash a cheating cocksocket though. I fucking hate cheats. If diving is acceptable then taking performance enhancing drugs should also be acceptable IMO. Why should one form of cheating be right and another be wrong?
As for the match, well done Villa. Thought Delph was outstanding and both debutantes played well.
Young got booked, for being a cheating twat, in his final game against Liverpool and we all cheered. It is the only time that I can remember us cheering our own player getting booked.
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If Gabby had dived the way Suarez did I would have been calling it a bang on pen.
Just being honest. It was one of those dives that if you squint you can see it the other way. I am not too bitter about it. Suarez really is an excellent player and an unlikeable little fucker though. Gobbing off the whole game.
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Performance of the season probably for me. Suarez spent the whole game moaning, cheating and trying to con the ref, succeeding for their winner sadly. Thankfully the ref didn't send off Guzan.
Which game were you watching?
They "won" 2-2 and that's what they told their American owner.
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
It was a blatant dive (https://vine.co/v/hlvEJ12Hvw3)
You can clearly see that Arsehole was going to round Guzan comfortably as he played the ball to the left however at that instead of following the ball he decided to go for Guzan. A self created foul and should have been booked for that.
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Well, where the fuck did that come from???
Excellent first half, regressed slightly in the second, but kept going and had our moments.
The difference in confidence between playing at home and away is ridiculous. Today, players passed the ball, moved to a position to have the ball back an then receive the ball without panicking.
Can we move on from this? Let's hope so.
Thought Bertrand fitted in well and I felt much more at ease with him playing.
Vlarr was great. We look so much better when he plays.
Gabby going off was a big blow.
Everyone contributed and played well.
This. Will bells on.
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Performance of the season probably for me. Suarez spent the whole game moaning, cheating and trying to con the ref, succeeding for their winner sadly. Thankfully the ref didn't send off Guzan.
Which game were you watching?
They "won" 2-2 and that's what they told their American owner.
TBF I know how what he means. It felt like a loss to me too. Cheating racist Uraguayan spunktrumpet! >:(
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Anyway what has happened to Guzan the penalty saver? It's a long time since he has saved one and from memory no saves at all in the league since he replaced big Brad.
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Anyway what has happened to Guzan the penalty saver? It's a long time since he has saved one and from memory no saves at all in the league since he replaced big Brad.
he's saved one this season hasn't he?
norwich
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@StanCollymore. Nice to see so many #LFC bloggers, fans giving out filthy abuse because your boy dived. Save it for him when he fucks off in June.
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Anyway what has happened to Guzan the penalty saver? It's a long time since he has saved one and from memory no saves at all in the league since he replaced big Brad.
he's saved one this season hasn't he?
norwich
Also he saved a penalty in the 8-0
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@StanCollymore. Nice to see so many #LFC bloggers, fans giving out filthy abuse because your boy dived. Save it for him when he fucks off in June.
;D
Nice one, Stan.
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I'd rather be mid table than have to resort to that to get results, I honestly would.
I wouldn't to be fair. If a few dodgy pens would win us the league then I hope we sign some divers.
I can recall a few matches at Villa Park where Ash blatantly dived and won us a penalty. I didn't applaud the decision and I didn't cheer the resulting goals. I did however call Ash a cheating cocksocket though. I fucking hate cheats. If diving is acceptable then taking performance enhancing drugs should also be acceptable IMO. Why should one form of cheating be right and another be wrong?
As for the match, well done Villa. Thought Delph was outstanding and both debutantes played well.
Agree about Young and divers in general, I hated his diving even when it was for us. There was a long thread on here with many posters denying he was a diver, it was really quite sad. And then came that infamous day at Old Trafford when quite a few had the claret and blue veil lifted from their eyes and saw him for the cheating little twat he is.
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Well done Villa.
Should have got 3 points but for a cheating twat.
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What I said a draw! Because i stated on pre match thread in no uncertain terms we WOULD NOT LOSE I wasn't surprised at all I talked about how our away tactics will see us through and that we would be ok.
Personally it's excellent I took benteke anytime at 4/1 .
I think the match was very very effective performance wise and was glad the players took on tactics
Aside from the cheating penalty it was disappointing to lose gabby and see Bertie as another player who does reckless needless challenges.
Benteke has regained sharpened and step up and expect him to get many more goals again this season. I've already put him back in ff team and taken away Suarez as I won't have that sort of play in my team
Fair play andi weimann but still not shining bright
Up the villa
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We played with purpose and pace. That was a major difference. Yes Rodgers got it wrong, but we set the tempo and played the game how we wanted to.
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After that performance, I am definitely considering the purchase of new Villa mugs.
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After that performance, I am definitely considering the purchase of new Villa mugs.
Any particular ones ?
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I too must offer an olive branch. I was not taking the piss Smirker when I said what I did about Guzan. If you took it as piss taking I apologize. I intended the comment to be a bit of levity in the thread to return the focus onto a great game and and a great performance.
No problem mate, I don't take anything seriously on here, it is the internet at the end of the day.
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I can recall a few matches at Villa Park where Ash blatantly dived and won us a penalty. I didn't applaud the decision and I didn't cheer the resulting goals. I did however call Ash a cheating cocksocket though. I fucking hate cheats. If diving is acceptable then taking performance enhancing drugs should also be acceptable IMO. Why should one form of cheating be right and another be wrong?
As for the match, well done Villa. Thought Delph was outstanding and both debutantes played well.
Not to divert the thread but I don't think you can compare simulation to doping, one is a split second decision and is there for all to see, the other is a continual process and in some cases the players may not even be aware they're taking anything on the banned list, I read an article once about a lower league player over 10 years ago who'd just take whatever the club doctor gave him and assume it was fine.
I believe both doping and diving are rife in football.
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The next dive Suarez takes, I hope it's in front of a train.
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Whatever hopes Liverpool had of challenging for the title died tonight. They couldn't beat the Villa at home.
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@StanCollymore. Nice to see so many #LFC bloggers, fans giving out filthy abuse because your boy dived. Save it for him when he fucks off in June.
You tell 'em, Stan!
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The next dive Suarez takes, I hope it's in front of a train.
No no that would be terrible. Just think about the chaos for commuters.
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The next dive Suarez takes, I hope it's in front of a train.
Bet 365 . com
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The next dive Suarez takes, I hope it's in front of a train.
Too quick. I hope he dives under a stampeding buffalo, his comedy teeth being smashed in the process.
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There is no difference today with Suarez then the Oscar one over Xmas. There was some very slight contact in that one as well yet the MotD lot were calling it a dive. Anyone would think the Liverpool influence running through BBC Sport was coming to the fore in Linekar's comments and the way it was reported on BBC text commentary.
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Gary Lineker talking a serious amount of tripe on twitter about the penalty decision at the minute. Claims it wasn't a dive and stupid goalkeeping on Guzan's part. I feel like giving up on football sometimes
Typical of the thick pundits at work today, how can it be anything other than a dive when he wasn't impeded in any way? He's the kind of twat that comes out with "there was contact" and "he wasn't the last man" because he's too lazy and dumb to actually read and understand the laws of the game
You are right I think.
Which specific Law are you referring too?
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What will Lineker say in the summer when Suarez dives for Uruguay against England?
Can see it now Gerrard makes the challenge and he goes down.
You mean an Enlgand Player. No doubt I dunno Cahill will be blamed for marking Cavani meaning Steview Me had to tackle Suarez
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Watching MOTD.
Clark and Gabby very unlucky not to score. Could have been a Villa 4 - 2.
Our first goal was totally down to Gabby.*
Second was superb, well done CB. On the scoring run!
Suarez a cheating little waste of space.
Delph superb, KEA v good, Guzan's my MOTM.
Alan Shearer is a total....modern striker.
And so is Lineker.
*wrote that as I was watching and didn't realise that Andi had run the length of the pitch as well, to get there. Showed that on the analysis bit. Sorry, Andi, it's your goal. Major assist from Gabby!
(Still thinking of appropriate epithet for S & L)
(Found it)
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Shearer and Linaker both former cheats reckon it was not a dive.
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Alan SHearer, you're a fucking twat.
Likewise Mr Potato head.
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Well it didn't look like a penalty to me.
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I posted on another thread that Shearer is clearly still better about the VP relegation.
Twat really stuck up for the cheat there.
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I'm shocked that so much attention on here has been given to the penalty. We played the best football in years, something we've been crying out for for ages and the main topic is a dodgy penalty.
I want to know who was that Villa team in the first half. They were fucking brilliant.
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Shearer is a total fucking knobhead.
So it was a pen because Guzan came out, even though there was no foul or contact, because Guzan slid along the ground and was not 'in control of his body' it was a pen?
Fucking horseshit.
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Clark was damn good. He looks a class better when paired with Vlaar.
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Performance of the season probably for me. Suarez spent the whole game moaning, cheating and trying to con the ref, succeeding for their winner sadly. Thankfully the ref didn't send off Guzan.
Which game were you watching?
They "won" 2-2 and that's what they told their American owner.
Ha ha - very good
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Only watched the first half. But what I saw showed:
- best performance of the season by quite some margin
- great to see us on the front foot instead of being so passive and reactive
- lambert's tactic of playing Weimann behind the front two - as he finished arsenal game - really paid off. Not sure if we can keep playing that way but it's looked good in those two games
- midfield three. And yes I include both KEA and Westwood - played brilliantly on that first half
- back four looked much more solid
- really great to see us passing the ball again
THAT'S THE VILLA SIDE I REMEMBER FROM THE END OF LAST SEASON. More of the same please
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Shearer said what was Suarez supposed to do? Jump over Guzan? Did he not see that after playing the ball to left all RF had to do was go with the ball. There was no need to "jump over" or contact Guzan. Wanker.
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I'm shocked that so much attention on here has been given to the penalty. We played the best football in years, something we've been crying out for for ages and the main topic is a dodgy penalty.
I want to know who was that Villa team in the first half. They were fucking brilliant.
They were indeed and watching it on MoTD they looked even better than live. Seriously, that's the best I've seen us play all season. Here's to more like this, especially in the next game. Bring on the a Tesco bags.
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What I said a draw! Because i stated on pre match thread in no uncertain terms we WOULD NOT LOSE I wasn't surprised at all I talked about how our away tactics will see us through and that we would be ok.
Personally it's excellent I took benteke anytime at 4/1 .
I think the match was very very effective performance wise and was glad the players took on tactics
Aside from the cheating penalty it was disappointing to lose gabby and see Lambert as another player who does reckless needless challenges.
Benteke has regained sharpened and step up and expect him to get many more goals again this season. I've already put him back in ff team and taken away Suarez as I won't have that sort of play in my team
Fair play andi weimann but still not shining bright
Up the villa
Correct - how did Altidore do today?
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Shearer has got it wrong. Chuffed by the overall positive comments on this thread. It feels like it's been a long time. UTV.
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Clark was damn good. He looks a class better when paired with Vlaar.
Good to hear. I was listening to the TS commentary which picked him up doing good stuff from time to time. I gather Bertrand was excellent in his role, which is, well, excellent news!
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The best we have played all season. Looked a class above. Some of the one touch stuff was beautiful, flicks, confidence, power, pace, pressing game.
Keep it up
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The next dive Suarez takes, I hope it's in front of a train.
A moving one. Very fast one.
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The next dive Suarez takes, I hope it's in front of a train.
No no that would be terrible. Just think about the chaos for commuters.
His hampstead heath would probably derail the train
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Clark was damn good. He looks a class better when paired with Vlaar.
Good to hear. I was listening to the TS commentary which picked him up doing good stuff from time to time. I gather Bertrand was excellent in his role, which is, well, excellent news!
I have a major soft spot for Clark, I really want him to succeed for Villa. He just seems like more of a battler when he isn't paired with Baker.
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I saw an Albion mate tonight and the first thing he said to me was that we had been robbed. It says something when a Stripey says that to you.
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Anyway what has happened to Guzan the penalty saver? It's a long time since he has saved one and from memory no saves at all in the league since he replaced big Brad.
he's saved one this season hasn't he?
norwich
Gerrard's was right in the corner tbf, Brad went the right way which is all you can ask.
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I posted on another thread that Shearer is clearly still better about the VP relegation.
Twat really stuck up for the cheat there.
To be fair he did wave that day to the holte end when we asked him too. I think he was more bitter about how Newcastle had been run down for 5 years.
That said he was talking utter shite today on MOTD.
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Well done Villa and Lambert for having a go. I could be disappointed with a draw after the start. But considering I was expecting it to be this seasons Chelsea away and the fact that they had a despicable Uruguayan cheating sack of shit in their side I am happy enough with the point.
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I posted on another thread that Shearer is clearly still better about the VP relegation.
Twat really stuck up for the cheat there.
To be fair he did wave that day to the holte end when we asked him too. I think he was more bitter about how Newcastle had been run down for 5 years.
That said he was talking utter shite today on MOTD.
They relegated themselves literally! 37 games of being pants, and then an own goal by damien duff.
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Shearer always praises us when it's due. I don't mind him as a pundit. As a striker he's always going to see it from the strikers point of view. If you're in the referees position you can see why he gave it. Although he is a cheating twat.
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Clark was damn good. He looks a class better when paired with Vlaar.
Good to hear. I was listening to the TS commentary which picked him up doing good stuff from time to time. I gather Bertrand was excellent in his role, which is, well, excellent news!
I have a major soft spot for Clark, I really want him to succeed for Villa. He just seems like more of a battler when he isn't paired with Baker.
I like him as well, he is a very effective CH and he always tries his best, whatever is happening.
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I posted on another thread that Shearer is clearly still better about the VP relegation.
Twat really stuck up for the cheat there.
To be fair he did wave that day to the holte end when we asked him too. I think he was more bitter about how Newcastle had been run down for 5 years.
That said he was talking utter shite today on MOTD.
They relegated themselves literally! 37 games of being pants, and then an own goal by damien duff.
Exactly they were on the decline since sacking Bobby Robson. He recognised that and wasn't bitter against us in my opinion. He showed some gallows humour.
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Come on lads, Guzan should have been more cautious considering Suarez' reputation.
No. Referee's should be more cautious considering Saurez' reputation.
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Not sure if anybody else has mentioned this, but, aren't we getting some great results in the blackcurrant away strip?
I think that kit will be remembered very fondly for years to come.
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I think Bacuna looked a little daft in the second half to be fair.
He was lightly brushed in his chest, yet went down as if someone had smashed him in the face with a sledgehammer. I don't really want our players doing things like that.
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Difficult to tell from our position but we all thought Guzan had pulled that c**t down. Bloke behind showed us a clip of it on his phone. He really does need fucking off out of this league. It won't bother me one iota if someone breaks both his legs and he never plays again. I don't mean Guzan, obviously.
Nor me, hope you had a great day out, I'd break them for him if you gave me a hammer
The pre-match pub was top drawer and sold some cracking beer. Roll on Everton away.
Which pub?
I love Liverpool.
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Shearer always praises us when it's due. I don't mind him as a pundit. As a striker he's always going to see it from the strikers point of view. If you're in the referees position you can see why he gave it. Although he is a cheating twat.
I agree. Shearer likes us for some reason. Suarez definitely dived but I can't blame the ref for giving it, and I thought Guzan brought it on himself for diving in at his feet.
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We are tenth!!!!
Top half.
Stitch that, you miserablists.
And before you reply, consider where you predicted we would be at the end of today.
For the record, I predicted 2 - 3.
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What is all this horseshit about contact? So fucking what? It's a contact sport. Contact does not equate to a foul. Not that there was even a whisker of a touch.
Does the cheating buck toothed ****** fall over when it's busy in Tesco down the fruit and beg aisle, when old lady Dorris squeezes past to get a turnip and brushes him?
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What is all this horseshit about contact? So fucking what? It's a contact sport. Contact does not equate to a foul. Not that there was even a whisker of a touch.
Does the cheating buck toothed c*** fall over when it's busy in Tesco down the fruit and beg aisle, when old lady Dorris squeezes past to get a turnip and brushes him?
Quite, if he wants to know what contact is he should travel on the Tube.
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Gary Lineker talking a serious amount of tripe on twitter about the penalty decision at the minute. Claims it wasn't a dive and stupid goalkeeping on Guzan's part. I feel like giving up on football sometimes
Typical of the thick pundits at work today, how can it be anything other than a dive when he wasn't impeded in any way? He's the kind of twat that comes out with "there was contact" and "he wasn't the last man" because he's too lazy and dumb to actually read and understand the laws of the game
You are right I think.
Which specific Law are you referring too?
Mainly the one that says a red card is due when a goal scoring opportunity has been denied. Last time i checked the laws there was no mention that you had to be "last man". And the definition of a foul does not equal contact. It's easy to forget these days but football started out as a contact sport.
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Great to be tenth and a top six performance tonight.
But I don't think anybody's been 'miserablist', things are incredibly tight in the bottom half with six points separating ten clubs. We had some shocking results (Palace at home, Fulham away in particular) and are 7 points off 9th and only six points off bottom.
A win against Baggies and I will finally relax and start to feel confident we are a mid-table team. Come on lads, deliver that...I want to escape the 'moaner' column I have been in for the past few months.
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Shearer is a total fucking knobhead.
So it was a pen because Guzan came out, even though there was no foul or contact, because Guzan slid along the ground and was not 'in control of his body' it was a pen?
Fucking horseshit.
Yes I'd love to know which law of the game backs that one up. As if the twunt has ever read them anyway. Not that the punditry game is in any way a leisurely gravy train for retired dimwits who once happened to be good with a ball.
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If one of my kids did what Suarez did today, I'd take him off and tell the designated penalty-taker to miss. Yes, I know there's a massive difference between Primary School football and the Premier League.
Amazingly, this happened in a game I was watching a few weeks ago. My neighbor coaches one of the Sandwell Academy team (U12s), I pop along to watch and help out carrying the magic sponge when I'm free, I get a pint out of it! Anyway, they were playing a team from Tipton when a Sandwell player blatantly dived, the ref gave it and the coach (my mate) strode onto the pitch and picked his player up, told him to apologise and told the captain to deliberately miss the penalty, he rolled it to the keeper.
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Great to be tenth and a top six performance tonight.
But I don't think anybody's been 'miserablist', things are incredibly tight in the bottom half with six points separating ten clubs. We had some shocking results (Palace at home, Fulham away in particular) and are 7 points off 9th and only six points off bottom.
A win against Baggies and I will finally relax and start to feel confident we are a mid-table team. Come on lads, deliver that...I want to escape the 'moaner' column I have been in for the past few months.
I think a few posters have been totally miserablist, actually.
We are all aware of where we are and what needs to happen, but some of us are more inclined to see what is possible, rather than writing off matches as impossible. UTV!
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I take full credit for our performance and result today. For the first time in over 20 years I didn't catch an away game either in person, live on the internet, or by commentary on the radio. I had to wait until MOTD to see how we did, fully expecting a defeat. We looked superb and were robbed by Suarez having to cheat. I should miss more games.
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It seems even Suarez acknowledges his reputation according to this (admittedly tongue-in-cheek) ad.
http://m.youtube.com/results?q=luis%20suarez%20advert&sm=3
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Well done CJ.
You got us a fantastic performance and a draw.
I am waiting to hear what you can do / miss / forfeit for the win!
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I have a major soft spot for Clark,
I have a hard spot.
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Difficult to tell from our position but we all thought Guzan had pulled that c**t down. Bloke behind showed us a clip of it on his phone. He really does need fucking off out of this league. It won't bother me one iota if someone breaks both his legs and he never plays again. I don't mean Guzan, obviously.
Nor me, hope you had a great day out, I'd break them for him if you gave me a hammer
The pre-match pub was top drawer and sold some cracking beer. Roll on Everton away.
Which pub?
I love Liverpool.
It was the Fly in the a Loaf
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Well done CJ.
You got us a fantastic performance and a draw.
I am waiting to hear what you can do / miss / forfeit for the win!
I'm open to offers ;)
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Suarez definitely dived but I can't blame the ref for giving it,
No, I don't blame the ref, I blame Suarez for being a cheating ******.
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Difficult to tell from our position but we all thought Guzan had pulled that c**t down. Bloke behind showed us a clip of it on his phone. He really does need fucking off out of this league. It won't bother me one iota if someone breaks both his legs and he never plays again. I don't mean Guzan, obviously.
Nor me, hope you had a great day out, I'd break them for him if you gave me a hammer
The pre-match pub was top drawer and sold some cracking beer. Roll on Everton away.
Which pub?
I love Liverpool.
It was the Fly in the a Loaf
Superb pub. Liverpool has more than it's fair share of marvellous pubs.
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I would have been relieved with a point before kick off, naturally disappointed with just one after the half an hour mark. I'd like to see a video of the game so that I could count on one hand the number of challenges made on Suarez and Sterling that didn't end up with them rolling in the dirt (awful sentence, sorry). The landlord at me local is calling Suarez "The Submariner".
That was the most encouraging performance I've seen since Arsenal on the opening day. With the notable exception of the first goal I thought we pressed higher and better than we have all season. Tekkers looks as though he is finding his touch, unlike El Ahmadi who's first touch is abysmal, although at least he looked to battle and get forward for a change. A shame we lost Gabby as he took most of our attacking threat with him over that advertising board. Bertrand looked like a Messiah after the last 16 months.
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Thought we were the best we'd been since the opening day. Dunno how though? All of a sudden we decided to be confident and play everything on the floor. Loved it. Well done Villa.
Shame we got cheated by a stupid racist ugly c u n t.
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I predicted a hammering pre-match so happy to be eating humble pie.
thought we were a long way the better side in the first half. When Gabby went off a lot of our threat went.
Our midfield gets a lot of stick but comfortably outplayed Liverpool. Delph was excellent, Westwood when he was on the ball was very good. Just Id like him to show for it more. Even Kea had a decent game.
Bertrand had a very good debut, the entire back four was very good. Hopefully Weimann's goal will give him a boost, thought he tired badly though and should have been replaced near the end.
Credit to Lambert, the side was real fired up from the start and pressed very high up the pitch. We totally exploited Gerrard's lack of mobility and were running through their midfield at will in the first half. To be only a goal up at the break was criminal considering the chances we had and our dominance. The cheating got them an undeserved point. Gabby's departure robbed us of a threat up top but still I was happy enough how we were playing. Holt wasnt that bad, Sylla came on and made some big tackles. An excellent performance and with a bit more self belief would have taken home the three points.
Any talk of Liverpool title charge was exposed today really. Suarez is a phenomenal player, the best player in the league. Sturridge too is a clever forward and finished his goal superbly. Aside from that they really are nothing more than average. Both their full backs were woeful. Centre halves bullied into submission. Their lack of mobility in midfield was startling, cant afford to have Gerrard in the quarterback role throwing the odd good pass but been ran around for the rest of the game. The form of Johnson and Gerrard should be worrying for England supporters pre World Cup.
A final word for the ref who had a shocker. Not just the hometown decision for the penalty but a load of other decisions too. David Pleat was on about it the whole game.
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The penalty decision aside, I thought the referee made some strange calls on bookings especially the one for Bertrand for persistent infringement when Sterling had committed three fouls and a handball in the first 15 minutes without even being spoken to.
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As someone here has previously said, we're either very good or shit. No in between. Brendan Rogers put it well:
“It was a good point,” Rodgers said. “We were nowhere near our level in the first half and you have to give Villa credit for that. Tactically we had to change things to get back in the game. Supporters expect us to win but you can’t win every game. This time we’ve been two goals down against a good side and ended up getting a point.”
The Independent, amongst many, clearly saw the game that we did:
Villa set out from the start to spoil any party plans that Liverpool might have had. Even before Andreas Weimann’s 25th-minute goal put them in front, they had seized the initiative impressively.
You know...me now...when we get it right we are avery good team. How often will we see the team we thought we'd see more of this season turn up?
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Maybe this should be in the little things that make life oh so annoying, but all this talk of a quarterback role really gets my on tits.
It's the wrong f%¤#ing sport, and basically means a half decent midfielder who either can't be bothered to, or is incapable of running. It just doesn't work. I seem to remember a
D. Beckham esq. trying the same old horlicks and it costing England the game away to Northern Ireland. Call it NeoHoofball it's just as accurate.
On this basis, Guzan has been auditioning for a move back to the USA and looking for a contract with Buffalo Bills or whoever has got the shittest QB at the moment.
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We are tenth!!!!
Top half.
Stitch that, you miserablists.
And before you reply, consider where you predicted we would be at the end of today.
For the record, I predicted 2 - 3.
I had 2-2 :) Benteke and Holt were my scorers
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Maybe this should be in the little things that make life oh so annoying, but all this talk of a quarterback role really gets my on tits.
It's the wrong f%¤#ing sport, and basically means a half decent midfielder who either can't be bothered to, or is incapable of running. It just doesn't work. I seem to remember a
D. Beckham esq. trying the same old horlicks and it costing England the game away to Northern Ireland. Call it NeoHoofball it's just as accurate.
On this basis, Guzan has been auditioning for a move back to the USA and looking for a contract with Buffalo Bills or whoever has got the shittest QB at the moment.
I literally don't know what any of this post means.
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We are tenth!!!!
Top half.
Stitch that, you miserablists.
And before you reply, consider where you predicted we would be at the end of today.
For the record, I predicted 2 - 3.
I had 2-2 :) Benteke and Holt were my scorers
Hurray!
High fives, Toronto!
I'm in such a good mood, never mind the penalty.
(Well, shoot Suarez, obv but otherwise...)
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Not long in, sat in their end today. Fair result which I would have taken before kick off. Impressed with Bertrand and Holt on their debuts. A winning draw and something go build on. UTV
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It wasn't an Ashley Young dive. Suarez moved the ball wide and waited for contact.When it came, however minimal, he went down. I know some say he wasn't touched at all, but the way he fell suggested contact of some description. I don't think it was a pen but I do think he played the situation perfectly and he got the reward. Other than I'd have liked the 3 points, I've got no problem with it.
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Maybe this should be in the little things that make life oh so annoying, but all this talk of a quarterback role really gets my on tits.
It's the wrong f%¤#ing sport, and basically means a half decent midfielder who either can't be bothered to, or is incapable of running. It just doesn't work. I seem to remember a
D. Beckham esq. trying the same old horlicks and it costing England the game away to Northern Ireland. Call it NeoHoofball it's just as accurate.
On this basis, Guzan has been auditioning for a move back to the USA and looking for a contract with Buffalo Bills or whoever has got the shittest QB at the moment.
I literally don't know what any of this post means.
The phrase quarterback role has no place in football.
It's a lazy use of a term from another sport, that to my mind "basically means a half decent midfielder who either can't be bothered to, or is incapable of running."
It was tried to as far back as Svens attempt to accommodate Beckhams wish to play central, whilst still leaving space room for Gerrard and Lampard, away to Northern Ireland, with disastrous consequences, losing 1-0 with out registering a shot in goal. The phrase NeoHoofball, is my own creation. It's a slightly more refined version of Hoofball, but actually usually ends up being ineffective. Just like Gerrards performance tonight.
If the requirement to be considered for this role is to hoof 50 yard passes down the pitch, then over the last 2-3 months, Guzan must have attempted more QB passes than anyone else in the league.
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Come on lads, Guzan should have been more cautious considering Suarez' reputation. I don't think we were robbed exactly. A draw was a fair result.
UTV.
He dived, he cheated, that's not Guzans fault...
Guzan gave him the opportunity to go down. You're not seeing the same thing I'm seeing, you can whinge all you like about decisions, I'd rather accept the reality that players go down in the box looking for penalties/forcing contact and hope that our defenders and keepers don't lunge in like Guzan did today unless they get the ball. Guzan didn't touch the ball. Asking for trouble.
That is what I would tell my players as a manager, not 'it doesn't matter, he dived, we were robbed' etc. Don't give players like that the opportunities to con the ref.
Sigh. The modern day football fan encapsulated in one post
You've not countered anything. I understand why the penalty was given, watch it again and Guzan pulls his arms in as he's level with Suarez to presumably avoid touching his legs and bringing him down, instead of extending them and palming the ball away. Also as someone else said, the ref makes the call in a split second, it looked a penalty in real time (looks close to one in slow mo from about 5 different angles too).
You're welcome to your victim complex, just pointing out it's completely biased and unrealistic.
Thank you sunshine...as I said, the modern day football fan encapsulated in two posts now
I agree, it is now ok to dive cheat and feign injury.
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From the FIFA rules of the game *:
34
Fouls and misconduct are penalised as follows:
Direct free kick
A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be
careless, reckless or using excessive force:
• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
• trips or attempts to trip an opponent
• jumps at an opponent
• charges an opponent
• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
• pushes an opponent
• tackles an opponent
A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following three offences:
• holds an opponent
• spits at an opponent
• handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own
penalty area)
A direct free kick is taken from the place where the offence occurred
(see Law 13 – Position of free kick).
Penalty kick
A penalty kick is awarded if any of the above ten offences is committed by
a player inside his own penalty area, irrespective of the position of the ball,
provided it is in play.
Presumably the penalty was given for the second offence - the ref must have thought that Guzan either tripped or attempted to trip Sewage.
* http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2011_12_en.pdf
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If one of my kids did what Suarez did today, I'd take him off and tell the designated penalty-taker to miss. Yes, I know there's a massive difference between Primary School football and the Premier League.
Amazingly, this happened in a game I was watching a few weeks ago. My neighbor coaches one of the Sandwell Academy team (U12s), I pop along to watch and help out carrying the magic sponge when I'm free, I get a pint out of it! Anyway, they were playing a team from Tipton when a Sandwell player blatantly dived, the ref gave it and the coach (my mate) strode onto the pitch and picked his player up, told him to apologise and told the captain to deliberately miss the penalty, he rolled it to the keeper.
Excellent.
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Lets think about the positives though, Vlaar was again immense, midfield was good and Benteke was a class act, Gabby was evenbetter before he wentoff. Bertrand was class and helped the team pattern IMHO
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Well done CJ.
You got us a fantastic performance and a draw.
I am waiting to hear what you can do / miss / forfeit for the win!
I'm open to offers ;)
Suggestions to the next pre match thread, please. Suggest a 2 hour pre match moratorium - otherwise known as, get your ideas in early.
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Would have taken that result before the match. Great to see a good from performance Gabby, big Christian getting another goal, Weimann getting on the score sheet and a good debut from Bertrand. It was noticeable when he went off how vulnerable we have been at left back. Vlaar being back seems to be making the difference.
Hopefully we can build on this and get a win against West Brom and start trying to get away from the relegation zone, six points off bottom is too close for comfort.
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Missed the whole game and would have taken a point this afternoon, but by the sound of it it's business as usual at Anfield. Hope their ferries/flights back to Dublin/Belfast/Oslo all sink/crash.
Would still vote for Suarez as player of the year, I know he's a cheating little peasant shit, but just because of the number of gloryhunting manc bastards it would wind up.
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Missed the whole game and would have taken a point this afternoon, but by the sound of it it's business as usual at Anfield. Hope their ferries/flights back to Dublin/Belfast/Oslo all sink/crash.
Would still vote for Suarez as player of the year, I know he's a cheating little peasant shit, but just because of the number of gloryhunting manc bastards it would wind up.
I think this is easily the winner of wind up post of the year.
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Come on lads, Guzan should have been more cautious considering Suarez' reputation. I don't think we were robbed exactly. A draw was a fair result.
UTV.
He dived, he cheated, that's not Guzans fault...
Guzan gave him the opportunity to go down. You're not seeing the same thing I'm seeing, you can whinge all you like about decisions, I'd rather accept the reality that players go down in the box looking for penalties/forcing contact and hope that our defenders and keepers don't lunge in like Guzan did today unless they get the ball. Guzan didn't touch the ball. Asking for trouble.
That is what I would tell my players as a manager, not 'it doesn't matter, he dived, we were robbed' etc. Don't give players like that the opportunities to con the ref.
Sigh. The modern day football fan encapsulated in one post
You've not countered anything. I understand why the penalty was given, watch it again and Guzan pulls his arms in as he's level with Suarez to presumably avoid touching his legs and bringing him down, instead of extending them and palming the ball away. Also as someone else said, the ref makes the call in a split second, it looked a penalty in real time (looks close to one in slow mo from about 5 different angles too).
You're welcome to your victim complex, just pointing out it's completely biased and unrealistic.
Thank you sunshine...as I said, the modern day football fan encapsulated in two posts now
I agree, it is now ok to dive cheat and feign injury.
Players have been cheating in football as long as I can remember, and I started watching Villa in the mid '70s. Let's not pretend it's a modern thing.
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Missed the whole game and would have taken a point this afternoon, but by the sound of it it's business as usual at Anfield. Hope their ferries/flights back to Dublin/Belfast/Oslo all sink/crash.
Would still vote for Suarez as player of the year, I know he's a cheating little peasant shit, but just because of the number of gloryhunting manc bastards it would wind up.
I think this is easily the winner of wind up post of the year.
It's only the 19th of January FFS. What's so offensive?
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Missed the whole game and would have taken a point this afternoon, but by the sound of it it's business as usual at Anfield. Hope their ferries/flights back to Dublin/Belfast/Oslo all sink/crash.
Would still vote for Suarez as player of the year, I know he's a cheating little peasant shit, but just because of the number of gloryhunting manc bastards it would wind up.
I think this is easily the winner of wind up post of the year.
It's only the 19th of January FFS. What's so offensive?
Well, 1 point instead of 3. The cheating little ps did us out of a win.
And, it wasn't business as usual at Anfield. It was a hell of a lot better.
You could call ignorance offensive, and you have.
I just think you have chosen the wrong match to vote him POTY.
Even if, like me, you know the year is only 20 days old!
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Watched the game and we played very well. The thing that changed the game was Gabbys injury, otherwise I think we would have won. I was encouraged with the way we played in the last half an hour. I think everyone would have expected Red Scouse to stream roller us after the scored the second, but we stuck in there and battled well.
With Benteke and Weimann looking interested and fit again and Vlaar being fit I think we will be fine.
Also, well done Bertrand. He's hardly played this season but fitted in and had a very solid game.
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Stan's taking on all comers in this diving debate. Fair play to him for standing his ground against it. It was shit when Young did it for us. It's shit when it's done against us.
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It puzzles me when posters keep asking why we can't play like that at home when the answer is obvious. Bertrand looked a class act never in trouble against a speedy winger that has big raps on him. Benteke was up for it as well looked as though he is running into form, Kea did well when we were pressing in the first half but to me tired when the pressure came on second half, Weimann kept Gerrard quiet first half and put in for the side but still think he has too many weaknesses, Vlarr was quality all day. With someone of Bertrands quality in midfield we will improve out of sight.
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Happy with the 110% commitment and passion shown we played better than when we won 3-1. With the obvious exception of arsenal away we were the best we've been, Gabby was outstanding as was Vlaar, great debut by Bertrand and even Holt did ok when he came on. Onwards and upwards please Villa and we should keep the diamond just need someone decent at the front. Having Said that Weimann did well we just need a good midfielder. UTV
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It will be interesting how lambert sets up against west brom. A similar diamond could theoretically work. But it would be better to have a proper number 10 in the Weimann role, because against a team with plenty of men behind the ball we risk being too narrow and not good enough to move the ball quickly between our midfield players
But I do think some variation on that team - whether a 433, or diamond, or 4231, is our best bet as long as we can keep vlaar fit
Agree clark looks good alongside vlaar
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Best performance of the season for most of the game. I honestly couldn't believe what I was seeing first half. Commitment, passing, technical skill, a bit of tactical nous. Whether it was a penalty or not - and lets face it that scumbag Freddie Mercury lookalike dived as he did all night - I think the 1st Liverpool goal was the key one. Go in 2-0 up at half time and I think we'd have won, particularly if Gabby had stayed on the pitch. Benteke looks like the beast of last season/first 5 games of this again. Bertrand looked v good, Grant Holt looked good and Bacuna looked world class for the first 80 mins or so. Confidence should hopefully be high now, I just hope the usual home dross doesn't kick in during the next game, particularly as its vs Baggies. We know what they are capable of now, I think we'd all forgotten, now is the time to put it together on a consistent basis, put tonight was the first time in a very long time I've felt pride in the Villa again.
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It puzzles me when posters keep asking why we can't play like that at home when the answer is obvious.
In the first half you'd have thought we were the home team (not Villa at home, obviously). It wasn't sitting back and counter attacking, it was pure domination across the park, ripping Liverpool several new ones. Oh, and we stopped hoofing it. As you say, the answer is most obvious, Robbo.
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We are a much better team when we go out to play football, as opposed to looking to defeat the odds of 25/30% possession. More likely to get something out of the game and a damn sight better to watch.
We could stand a few upgrades to the squad but I am convinced that most of our problem is in formation and the way we set out to play.
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Good overall performance I thought. Played much better and much more consistent across the park.
For the first goal I think villa switched off and wound down for half time. The got a little cocky and got punished. I don't blame Suarez for the dive either. If that was gabby in the situation we'd have been screaming for a penalty and would have been pissed if we didn't get it. Guzan was quick to go down, Suarez was going away from goal, maybe Guzan could have stayed on his feet longer? You expect your striker to go down like that even at minimal contact. I don't agree with it but that's the game.
A point at anfield is nothing to be disappointed about. The way we got that point is. Just a shame when we're 2-0 up we can't hold on to things and shut up shop. But overal a much better and more solid performance for the villa
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Great performance yesterday obviously annoyed with the pen.
Vlaar's return has made us look a lot more solid at the back and with Benteke looking more and more like the player who terrorised defences in the run in last year.
We do still need a number10 but that would be more for Villa Park to unlock defences because quite frankly on the road I fear no-one!
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For me , that's the best performance so far under Lambert. And I say that based on the quality and form of the opposition. As others have said I think if we'd managed to get to HT at 0-2 and Gabby hadn't gone off we would have won but I'm delighted with a point there. Also great that Benteke is flying again and Weimann amongst the goals.
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I hope Lambert has a quiet word with Bacuna and tells him to cut out that nonsense when Sturridge brushed his shoulder, let's leave the cheating to other clubs.
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It's weird losing a two goal lead and feeling pretty elated. The first half in particular was superb and should be the template for how we move forward. We passed, moved and kept possession brilliantly, we pressed them and made them make mistakes it was great. Also second half we showed great resilience not to fold. Well done Villa, best display in a long time.
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Probably our best 4 performances have been against the top 4-let's hope we can sort out our home form and move on from here as it was a superb display yesterday,and praise is fully deserved for all players,staff and fans.
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I imagine many have commented on something I saw when Gabby went over the hoardings and looked in trouble. The nearest Liverpool supporter showed his concern by getting out his camera to take a picture.
An absolute disgrace and Sky picked it up and no doubt the BBC will tonight.
Yeah noticed that. What a fucking moron. I hope he's proud of himself.
To be fair, he didn't look as if bending down (to help or otherwise) would have been an easy action for him!
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After Shearer and Linaker had finished licking each others arse a question was put to the audience and 70% said that Suarez dived. I guess the other 30% were Liverpool fans in China.
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Great stuff. Made me remember why I used to like that thing called football. Have been apathetic about the game in general for quite a while and am rarely enthused to watch 90 minutes of a live game these days. Liverpool had thrashed several teams at home this season and was worried that this could be another one.
Came home at quarter-to six expecting to turn on to see us 2-0 down at half time (thought it was a 5pm k.o) thus saving me the bother of watching the second half. Instead we were 0-0 at 15 minutes, which was good(!) but also, bizarrely, it sounded like we had been on top. Expecting that the game would now slip into familiar territory now I had turned on the TV, I suddenly became engrossed in this Villa play not seen (maybe on TV) since Sunderland last year. Then the goals came and I realised I still had my coat on! I decided to keep it on for the whole game as a result in some misguided superstitious act not seen in my Villa supporting life since the 90s!
Most have already commented on the major points and the what ifs. I remember someone posting during and after the Arsenal game that that performance was the 'Newcastle' game of last year. While I understood the parallel, I didn't expect the next game to be a high scoring draw on Merseyside as it was last season. The game after that was a home win against a team with 'West' in their name if you want to get your bets on!
Nice to have a weekend where you feel proud of the team!
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I imagine many have commented on something I saw when Gabby went over the hoardings and looked in trouble. The nearest Liverpool supporter showed his concern by getting out his camera to take a picture.
An absolute disgrace and Sky picked it up and no doubt the BBC will tonight.
Yeah noticed that. What a fucking moron. I hope he's proud of himself.
To be fair, he didn't look as if bending down (to help or otherwise) would have been an easy action for him!
Apologies if it's been posted elsewhere - https://vine.co/v/hlvwwpztEgr
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Very good performance all round but, for me, having Vlaar and Benteke both fit at the same time for almost the first time this season was they key to us having a better shape and more stability.
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A great performance from Villa, we deserved to win and Liverpool had to cheat their way back into the game.
That wanker with the blog someone posted up in the pre-match thread can take his formations and stick them up his arse.
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First half was brilliant. Second half not bad, I think Lambert wanted us to contain them and the players did that quite well.
But if there's one thing the game highlighted, it's that we need cover for Gabby, preferably cover who is very very fast indeed and knows how to run the channels effectively. Because without Gabs on the pitch, we lack pace and look slightly toothless, especially in these away games where opposition defences play a higher line.
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Can we please play with that intent and purpose and be switched on like that every week, that's the villa I know and love pace power and movement. There will be lot of sad faces signing on next week.
As for Suarez that will be the last time he cheats us cause when they miss out on that champions league slot he will engineer a move away.
Motd the politically correct sporting arm of the bbc what I would give for a 50-50 ball between Suarez and bosnich (remember kinsman) or Toni Schumacher (battiston) then he could piss off to Real Madrid bit by bit.
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I like a lot of you expected FA, and in the end "I" felt cheated. the cannibal got the help of the muppet (ref) playing to the kop, not for the first time. how many times have they got out of jail by a favour, from the officials, (no jokes about Liverpool being an open prison)
Gabby had a good game and in that form will lead us to safety. the new boys had good debuts.
Dare I say it , I am not living in trepidation about our home game Monday week. just take that performance yesterday into the game against albion and the Holte will be as stated the twelth man.
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Cracking result. Should have been 3 points but for that Buck Toothed tosser!
One negative for me was PL bringing Holt on for Gabby. Should have gone with Albrighton as he'd have allowed us to keep a similar formation and play style which was working so well up to that point.
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After Shearer and Linaker had finished licking each others arse a question was put to the audience and 70% said that Suarez dived. I guess the other 30% were Liverpool fans in China.
I'm sorry but Mickey Quinn said it was a penalty on Talk Shite this morning and that's good enough for me. I think he's about unbiased as you could get when it comes to these sort of things and he's also one of the most intelligent football pundits you're likely to come across
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Stan's taking on all comers in this diving debate. Fair play to him for standing his ground against it. It was shit when Young did it for us. It's shit when it's done against us.
Stan was fantastic last night on Talk Shite. He took them all on and I thought he was going to have a heart attack on several occasions!
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
It was a blatant dive (https://vine.co/v/hlvEJ12Hvw3)
In your opinion.
Oh dear here we go, there's always one who needs to be centre of attention.
New on here are you? A forum is for people to express their opinions and for other people to agree or disagree. Whether you like it or not.
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
It was a blatant dive (https://vine.co/v/hlvEJ12Hvw3)
In your opinion.
Oh dear here we go, there's always one who needs to be centre of attention.
New on here are you? A forum is for people to express their opinions and for other people to agree or disagree. Whether you like it or not.
I'm with you I think Ron. I think he dived but I 99% of footballers in that situation would have dived. I have to say dive or no dive it was still a penalty, the contact was so minimal but there was some. I don't blame Brad either though, he committed himself and could have got the ball first. He didn't and they scored from the spot.
The main problem was we was playing a team very capable of scoring at any time and they was very lucky to come into the second half with a very well taken goal. A bit of class on the edge of the box from Henderson picked open the defence.
It was a great performance from all our team, everyone of them deserve credit and we have to take that into our next match.
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Suarez didnt dive it was a penalty. Guzan had no need to bring him down.We could have been 4 goals up after 25mins with some luck and 5 goals up after 36mins. Didnt collapse in the second half. Performance of the season. Sylla played well when he arrived. Vlaar got Man of the Match and he deserved it. Benteke back to his best.
It was a blatant dive (https://vine.co/v/hlvEJ12Hvw3)
In your opinion.
Oh dear here we go, there's always one who needs to be centre of attention.
New on here are you? A forum is for people to express their opinions and for other people to agree or disagree. Whether you like it or not.
I'm with you I think Ron. I think he dived but I 99% of footballers in that situation would have dived. I have to say dive or no dive it was still a penalty, the contact was so minimal but there was some. I don't blame Brad either though, he committed himself and could have got the ball first. He didn't and they scored from the spot.
The main problem was we was playing a team very capable of scoring at any time and they was very lucky to come into the second half with a very well taken goal. A bit of class on the edge of the box from Henderson picked open the defence.
It was a great performance from all our team, everyone of them deserve credit and we have to take that into our next match.
Thanks., Some posters are so obsessed with one incident they are forgetting to praise the efforts of Benteke,Weimann.KEA and Gabby who all had their best games of the season by far.Ron Vlaar was as always excellent.
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I vote we keep the away kit for a second year like we used to in the old days, aside from looking a sharp looking kit the players seem to play better in it. Have we lost in it yet? Lets see.... Arsenal nope, Liverpool nope, Southampton nope, West Ham we wore green....still got Cardiff and Mank U coming up.... I don't think we have.
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After Shearer and Linaker had finished licking each others arse a question was put to the audience and 70% said that Suarez dived. I guess the other 30% were Liverpool fans in China.
I'm sorry but Mickey Quinn said it was a penalty on Talk Shite this morning and that's good enough for me. I think he's about unbiased as you could get when it comes to these sort of things and he's also one of the most intelligent football pundits you're likely to come across
You are right Richard. He is the most wise King Solomon like untouchable. We should now say no more. Just to establish Quinn speaks the truth they should also ask Suarez' mum as well.
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First half was brilliant. Second half not bad, I think Lambert wanted us to contain them and the players did that quite well.
But if there's one thing the game highlighted, it's that we need cover for Gabby, preferably cover who is very very fast indeed and knows how to run the channels effectively. Because without Gabs on the pitch, we lack pace and look slightly toothless, especially in these away games where opposition defences play a higher line.
N'zogbia is the obvious option as cover for gabby. Is he anywhere near being fit? Is there any hope he can be brought back in? He's got to have more to offer than Tonev
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I vote we keep the away kit for a second year like we used to in the old days, aside from looking a sharp looking kit the players seem to play better in it. Have we lost in it yet? Lets see.... Arsenal nope, Liverpool nope, Southampton nope, West Ham we wore green....still got Cardiff and Mank U coming up.... I don't think we have.
What did we wear at Chelsea, Stoke and Fulham?
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It puzzles me when posters keep asking why we can't play like that at home when the answer is obvious.
In the first half you'd have thought we were the home team (not Villa at home, obviously). It wasn't sitting back and counter attacking, it was pure domination across the park, ripping Liverpool several new ones. Oh, and we stopped hoofing it. As you say, the answer is most obvious, Robbo.
Yes but we were able to do that because of the way Liverpool set up. They'd be unlikely to do that away from home - and other teams certainly wouldn't play such an open midfield.
It's having the game to open up a side with two defensive midfielders that's our problem. Not someone playing with none and the full backs pushed right up
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After Shearer and Linaker had finished licking each others arse a question was put to the audience and 70% said that Suarez dived. I guess the other 30% were Liverpool fans in China.
I'm sorry but Mickey Quinn said it was a penalty on Talk Shite this morning and that's good enough for me. I think he's about unbiased as you could get when it comes to these sort of things and he's also one of the most intelligent football pundits you're likely to come across
You are right Richard. He is the most wise King Solomon like untouchable. We should now say no more. Just to establish Quinn speaks the truth they should also ask Suarez' mum as well.
Him, Lineker and Shearer thinking it was a pen was just the final validation - and I didn't really need any - that it wasn't
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I vote we keep the away kit for a second year like we used to in the old days, aside from looking a sharp looking kit the players seem to play better in it. Have we lost in it yet? Lets see.... Arsenal nope, Liverpool nope, Southampton nope, West Ham we wore green....still got Cardiff and Mank U coming up.... I don't think we have.
What did we wear at Chelsea, Stoke and Fulham?
home kit at Chelsea, home kit with claret shorts at stoke and Fulham I believe
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Like the rest of you, I thought Villa were great last night. Never mind the pen, which you know has a 99% chance of being given in front of the Kop, the real turning point was losing a goal just before half time. Shame Ron Vlaar broke from the back four and played Sturridge onside.
Plenty to be positive about though. At no point did I think we'd lose, even at 2all going into the last stages. Holt showed he knows how to play the game, and I'd take Bertrand permanently based on those 80minutes alone.
Negatives...Gabbys injury just when he'd got their defence on the ropes. Bacuna, who did well but lost concentration as the game went on and Westwood who sprayed the ball about well but needs to grit his teeth a bit more in the tackle, losing out in a fifty-fifty against a 5'6" winger is below standard.
Minor grumbles though, especially after all that's been said in the last few weeks.
Now all we need to do is put a 'this is anfield' sign in the tunnel at villa park, sit back and wait for the three points to roll in.
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Does anyone know why Lowton wasn't involved? Late injury?
Sorry just read his thread. Late for training apparently . Lambert doesn't like things like that.
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He was disciplined for turning up late for training according to Mat Kendrick.
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Well done Villa.
Now get some more hard work done this week and lets tear Albion a new one.
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After watching the game on French TV and hearing the commentator say (with ten minutes to go) something like [The poster was "refreshed" at the time. Ed.] "Liverpool do not have what it takes to beat Aston Villa today", I was convinced I had slipped into a parallel universe. A draw, up there is great news to me.
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it was actually a better performance than the game last year when we won. the first half was unbelievable; passion skill and total control. why can't we do it at home. thought delph was quality as well
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Posted this in the Grant Holt thread and amazingly this is exactly what we got. Actually enjoyed a game for a change.
I don't agree with the nasty conclusion, although I can see where it comes from-we don't have enough grit. I have come to my own conclusion that we are trying to play at a pace that suits very good players-which means we are disadvantaged by a lot of visiting teams who simply have a lot more skill. The ones that don't have this make up for it not in aggression-but in upping the tempo, running and closing everyone down. So we are beaten both ways.
Lambert is trying to be Barca with Walsall. I would like to see some non-stop running and constant harassing of the opposition until we have the players that can deliver the slower possession and passing game.
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I thought we were superb in the first half. It's amazing how inferior you can make good sides look by closing them down. I've not read the whole thread but a quick word for KEA who get's slaughtered on here at times but I thought he did a cracking job yesterday. He's definitely a better player away from home. Really impressed with Bertrand as well, he looks great.
One minor criticism, i'd have probably brought on Albrighton rather than Holt but other than that, no complaints.
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After Shearer and Linaker had finished licking each others arse a question was put to the audience and 70% said that Suarez dived. I guess the other 30% were Liverpool fans in China.
I'm sorry but Mickey Quinn said it was a penalty on Talk Shite this morning and that's good enough for me. I think he's about unbiased as you could get when it comes to these sort of things and he's also one of the most intelligent football pundits you're likely to come across
I wonder when the phrase Gobshite was invented. Was it around the time Quinn learned to speak? What an absolute fucking bellend that bloke is.
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I'll take it. Funny to watch the scousers live up to chippy, touchy stereotype all over newspaper comment sections.
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All of the Liverpool fans in the bar yesterday said it wasn't a penalty and things got a bit heated to be honest.
" It was never a penalty, but we will take it," they said.
Never mind, these things happen. More pleased with our performance than disappointed with the penalty decision.
Lets hope we can keep it up against the boggies.
It would be great to give them a good thumping.
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Worse result than last year. Lambert out!
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So, we woz robbed by the cheating arsehole who, however good he is at football, will continue to find himself hated if he carries on like this.
As for us, brilliant in the first half. The two goals came at a time when we had had 61% of the ball, which tells you all you need to know about our apparent strengths and weaknesses - we're better with the ball than without, and there's no excuse for us to be getting the kind of low stats we have been getting, especially at home. Even though Liverpool ramped it up a lot after that, our dominance of the first third of the game meant we still finished with 46% of the ball overall - more than most will get at Anfield, especially while keepball-obsessive Rodgers is their manager.
I do think, though, that bringing on Holt for Gabby was a mistake. In the first half, we had players wide and that stretched Liverpool, allowing us to press them and win space in the centre, which is one way we kept so much of the ball. With both Holt and Benteke on the pitch we went long, and long into an increasingly congested middle of the pitch. Without the options wide (and the front three in the first half were constantly interchanging, dragging Liverpool defenders all over the place while keeping the pitch big) they began to crowd us out, we lost our fluency and, to complete the vicious circle, humped it long even more.
I thought Holt did well for what he did, no problems there, especially in his actual ball retention, but the loss of shape dragged us down a bit, and it's depressing to see Lambert, after watching a half where short passing through the midfield worked so incredibly well, suddenly thought "okay, now let's try lumping it forward". Once you've got it right, there's no excuse for then getting it wrong again.
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Is that really the same team that played Palace & Sheff Utd recently, bar a few changes?. More like the Villa from the last 2 months of last season. Now to get it right at Villa Park! I thought Delph was superb yesterday - any news on a new contract ? I think his current deal runs out in 2015? Get it sorted Villa!
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Just seen Oliver Holt on SSN saying it was a definite penalty. He's the kind of person that even if I agreed with him I'd never admit it. To clarify though, in this instance I didn't think it was a penalty, but have to say still feel chuffed about the performance.
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I thought it was a penalty live and although, (having seen the replies) I thought the little bastard won the penalty, I can't blame the ref for giving it. I just hope Guzan learns from that because once Suarez had taken that touch, the angle was too much to do anything from.
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I just hope Guzan learns from that because once Suarez had taken that touch, the angle was too much to do anything from.
Unfortunately, Suarez could score from the corner flag with the ball an inch off the line.
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Have nothing but praise for everyone of them yesterday, the performance was a stark contrast to what I have seen almost the majority of the season. I saw the young, hungry, competitive, evolving and improving side of last season at Anfield, and it has to be said this is a pretty bloody good Liverpool team that has scored and created goals for fun, especially at their place.
Of course every player might of made a little mistake but I'm not looking at any of that as Villa have put me in such a positive spin today after being quite honestly shocked at how we can actually perform against so called "title challengers".
I don'y know if the signings of Bertrand and Holt kicked everyone up the arse or just reality kicked in that we could be sucked into another gloomy relegation battle if we didn't start performing.
Let's not let this just be a one game wonder now though lads, I'm hoping for a few more and I think this has set the bar for the rest of the season. Bring on the Baggies.
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That is not what I was expecting after the past couple of games at VP. So frustrating knowing that we could play like this. Andi was back to what we saw last year, Benteke looks like our God, that goal against Arse has hit his "re-set" button. Midfield appeared to not only know each other again, but also how to pass to each other. We also appear to have refound the ability to take a throw in, and retain possession. Hope Gabby is alright, he was literally fucking brilliant. Losing him was a turning point. Well done Villa, looking forward to the next game. I havent said that very often this season!
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The crucial player was Westwood. When we don't boof it over his head, and when he gets it and uses it instead of being pish (as he has been), he's the oil in the cogs for us. When we use him and he plays well, the whole team plays better.
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Really encouraged what I saw last night, despite not getting the win. Personally don't think it was a penalty, but Guzan was a fool to rush out like that - he should be clued up enough to know Suarez will always go down given a chance.
Now all we need to do i bottle that performance as a melling salt and stick it under the players noses befoe they go out at Villa Park every home game
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Stan is getting some horrible abuse on Twitter from Scousers most of it deeply racist. Clearly Sturridge, Sterling and Johnson are quite comfortable to turnout for them every week!
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After Shearer and Linaker had finished licking each others arse a question was put to the audience and 70% said that Suarez dived. I guess the other 30% were Liverpool fans in China.
I'm sorry but Mickey Quinn said it was a penalty on Talk Shite this morning and that's good enough for me. I think he's about unbiased as you could get when it comes to these sort of things and he's also one of the most intelligent football pundits you're likely to come across
It's his scouser accent that gives him away, though - Liverpool fan and thick!
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Stan is getting some horrible abuse on Twitter from Scousers most of it deeply racist.
Dear oh dear why am I not surprised. Well hopefully he gets the police involved and they get locked up.
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Good lord - absolutely disgraceful
@jessica9449: @StanCollymore i will kill you while you sleep nigger
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There are some staggeringly thick people in this world.
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These are people who probably think that the end of 12 Years a Slave is a heist movie.
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These people are pathetic. I sincerely hope they get done for that.
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Nah. They think a slave is someone who originated in Yogoslaveia.
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The novelist Thomas Harris describes these people as growing 'like toadstools on the damp floor of the Internet'. It is a strange and unpleasant side-effect of the rise of social media.
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The novelist Thomas Harris describes these people as growing 'like toadstools on the damp floor of the Internet'. It is a strange and unpleasant side-effect of the rise of social media.
I'd add 'in a darkened room' to that metaphor, because they do so only because they have anonymity and spacial distance which makes them feel safe from reprisal.
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The novelist Thomas Harris describes these people as growing 'like toadstools on the damp floor of the Internet'. It is a strange and unpleasant side-effect of the rise of social media.
I'd add 'in a darkened room' to that metaphor, because they do so only because they have anonymity and spacial distance which makes them feel safe from reprisal.
Well they are in for a surprise I think at least 2 people have been prosecuted for abusing Stan in the past. He refers straight to the police and they do deal with it.
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We all know how easy it is to take offence at things which are said quite innocently. But people who use anonymity to express violent hatred... I don't understand that at all.
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Should be easily traceable.
Lock the idiot up.
Stan will not give a shit about this small minded moron anyway.
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Should be easily traceable.
Lock the idiot up.
Stan will not give a shit about this small minded moron anyway.
Unfortunately Dan, there's loads of them.
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I thought it was a penalty live and although, (having seen the replies) I thought the little bastard won the penalty, I can't blame the ref for giving it. I just hope Guzan learns from that because once Suarez had taken that touch, the angle was too much to do anything from.
That was my view as well, I think he 'won' it but I thought it probably was just about a penalty. In any case I'm far happier that we played really well.
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I thought it was a penalty live and although, (having seen the replies) I thought the little bastard won the penalty, I can't blame the ref for giving it. I just hope Guzan learns from that because once Suarez had taken that touch, the angle was too much to do anything from.
That was my view as well, I think he 'won' it but I thought it probably was just about a penalty. In any case I'm far happier that we played really well.
Agreed if it was the other way round and there keeper had done that with gabby and it not been given we would all be fuming
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Unfortunately i can see why it was given, not sure that Guzan should have been coming out like that.Suarez was always going to go down, don't give him the opportunity, it wasn't a foul but it looked to the referee as if it was, and as UKTS says, if that would have been Gabby.
I hope Stan calls in the police, always a good listen Stan, doesn't sit on the fence.
Just a side note, does Suarez ever play well against us?has he scored against us?Although incredibly dislikeable, he is a great player, but i don't recall him ever playing well against us.
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Well he has now "won" two penalties against us which ultimately gained them 3 extra points then they would have gotten without him. But maybe not as much an effect as he has against Norwich.
Anyway, I can't blame Guzan too much. If he had stayed on his line or only came out so far, Suarez could have still scored/ squared back. The only way to force him to take it wide was to come out as he did and hope the ref saw it correctly.
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I thought it was a penalty live and although, (having seen the replies) I thought the little bastard won the penalty, I can't blame the ref for giving it. I just hope Guzan learns from that because once Suarez had taken that touch, the angle was too much to do anything from.
That was my view as well, I think he 'won' it but I thought it probably was just about a penalty. In any case I'm far happier that we played really well.
Agreed if it was the other way round and there keeper had done that with gabby and it not been given we would all be fuming
Yanited didn't get a pen when Young was taken out far worse a few weeks ago and didn't get a pen (possibly due to Young's reputation) so why not in this case? What would Howard Webb have given yesterday?
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The novelist Thomas Harris describes these people as growing 'like toadstools on the damp floor of the Internet'. It is a strange and unpleasant side-effect of the rise of social media.
I'd add 'in a darkened room' to that metaphor, because they do so only because they have anonymity and spacial distance which makes them feel safe from reprisal.
There were a couple prosecuted recently for abusing a lady not the internet, the reason for which escapes me. The memorable thing was the pictures of them both, overweight pasty anoraks.
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There are some staggeringly thick people in this world.
It never ceases to amaze me that people in 21st Century could spout such bile based on race, gender, sexual Orientation etc...
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Apologies if I've missed it, but any news on Gabby?
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I spoke to 2 Liverpool supporting colleagues this morning and they said "we were very lucky and what Suarez did was naughty"
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Apologies if I've missed it, but any news on Gabby?
@MatKendrick: Agbonla-sore: Gabby Agbonlahor is a fitness doubt for the Villa-Albion derby after sustaining a foot injury #avfc http://t.co/keqz8NNiZF
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There are some staggeringly thick people in this world.
It never ceases to amaze me that people in 21st Century could spout such bile based on race, gender, sexual Orientation etc...
Although it's no excuse whatsoever, Liverpool's seige mentality under KKKenny regarding Bernie Winters antics continues to have an influence on the terminally stupid.
The strides made within stadiums regarding this kind of abuse now needs to be followed up online.
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Fair play to Collymore for retweeting some of these absolute fucking morons.
Anyone who follows (the parody account) Moyes_Must_Go on Twitter will have noticed the depressing frequency with which people turn to racism. How is it possible for some of these fucking retards to think that because it's Twitter, that makes it OK?
Don't they watch the news?
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Night and day that was compared to our recent performances. Westwood and El Ahmadi were energised. Westwood has looked so pedestrian of late. A shame we couldn't keep it up but it does show we do have players when we get it right. I do hope we can build on it and that Lambert still prioritises getting in a creative midfielder.
Have to say I find some of the defensive stuff on here pretty embarrassing. If Gabby had won that penalty, nothing would have been said. I'm not saying Suarez didn't milk it but Guzan's positioning in recent times hasn't been brilliant. Shot-stopping yes but often recently he's been found half-way between the striker and the goal and he's paid the price.
I'm quite shocked by some of the vitriol on here frankly, the decision was a bit soft but I saw plenty of fouls on Sturridge that weren't given in the first half. Let's turn it down a bit eh?
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We were robbed of our best result for years because of a cheating bastard and his friends in the media have closed ranks behind him. Let's not turn it down.
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We were robbed of our best result for years because of a cheating bastard and his friends in the media have closed ranks behind him. Let's not turn it down.
Ha!
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Turn it up. A lot.
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I thought it was a penalty live and although, (having seen the replies) I thought the little bastard won the penalty, I can't blame the ref for giving it. I just hope Guzan learns from that because once Suarez had taken that touch, the angle was too much to do anything from.
That was my view as well, I think he 'won' it but I thought it probably was just about a penalty. In any case I'm far happier that we played really well.
Agreed if it was the other way round and there keeper had done that with gabby and it not been given we would all be fuming
Speak for yourself - we wouldn't "all" be fuming, because not all of us condone cheating, even from our own. Strangely I don't get upset when one of our players isn't touched, dives and doesn't get the decision - e.g. Young - and if they get booked I think "serves them right".
And Onje_Villa you are completely missing the point - Guzan's positioning is irrelevant, the bald fact is that it quite simply wasn't a foul because Suarez was not touched or impeded in any way to warrant going down. Everything else, all this "but he shouldn't have rushed out" "he shouldn't have given him the opportunity to dive" "you can see why the ref gave it", "he shouldn't have looked at him in a funny way", " he shouldn't have called him goofy", is just so much irrelevant hot air which is typical of modern football fans and pundits who fall for all the bullshit surrounding the hyped up modern game. Why not let's just call it what it was, as Collymore is doing, cheating by Suarez and incompetence by the ref.
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I wouldn't be fuming at all. Young used to really annoy me with his diving antics.
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I wouldn't be fuming at all. Young used to really annoy me with his diving antics.
What he said!
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I posted earlier in this thread that if one of my kids did the same I'd take him/her off for a chat and tell the penalty-taker to miss. I don't care if I'm called righteous for this, it's something I believe in strongly.
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I'm sure we all agree that cheating is a problem in the game, people dive all over the place in every match in the league these days, including dare I say it, Aston Villa players.
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I'm quite shocked by some of the vitriol on here frankly, the decision was a bit soft but I saw plenty of fouls on Sturridge that weren't given in the first half. Let's turn it down a bit eh?
Whether there were fouls on Sturridge earlier in the game is entirely irrelevant to the fact that Suarez deliberately dived to get the penalty.
He's a cheat. It wasn't gamemanship, it wasn't him 'winning the penalty', it was cheating plain and simple. The decision wasn't 'a bit soft', it was wrong.
As for the 'vitriol', I don't think you can expect anything else when an act of cheating cost Villa the win. People are hardly going to have a little chuckle to themselves and say 'ooh, that Suarez, cheeky little player he is'. As has been proven many, many times, he's a horrible little cheat. I haven't seen anyone say anything more than that.
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I posted earlier in this thread that if one of my kids did the same I'd take him/her off for a chat and tell the penalty-taker to miss. I don't care if I'm called righteous for this, it's something I believe in strongly.
Quite right. Ashley Young's departure was something the celebrate for us. It's a hollow victory if gained by dishonesty and cheating.
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I posted earlier in this thread that if one of my kids did the same I'd take him/her off for a chat and tell the penalty-taker to miss. I don't care if I'm called righteous for this, it's something I believe in strongly.
I respect that and I don't doubt you mean it. But neither do I believe we've been hugely wronged here, it was in my eyes a borderline decision.
It went against us, as other decisions go for us and against others.
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I'm quite shocked by some of the vitriol on here frankly, the decision was a bit soft but I saw plenty of fouls on Sturridge that weren't given in the first half. Let's turn it down a bit eh?
Whether there were fouls on Sturridge earlier in the game is entirely irrelevant to the fact that Suarez deliberately dived to get the penalty.
He's a cheat. It wasn't gamemanship, it wasn't him 'winning the penalty', it was cheating plain and simple. The decision wasn't 'a bit soft', it was wrong.
As for the 'vitriol', I don't think you can expect anything else when an act of cheating cost Villa the win. People are hardly going to have a little chuckle to themselves and say 'ooh, that Suarez, cheeky little player he is'. As has been proven many, many times, he's a horrible little cheat. I haven't seen anyone say anything more than that.
I've seen plenty of people who think that actually it was a penalty. I think on reflection it wasn't but I was in no way amazed that it was given.
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I'm quite shocked by some of the vitriol on here frankly, the decision was a bit soft but I saw plenty of fouls on Sturridge that weren't given in the first half. Let's turn it down a bit eh?
Whether there were fouls on Sturridge earlier in the game is entirely irrelevant to the fact that Suarez deliberately dived to get the penalty.
He's a cheat. It wasn't gamemanship, it wasn't him 'winning the penalty', it was cheating plain and simple. The decision wasn't 'a bit soft', it was wrong.
As for the 'vitriol', I don't think you can expect anything else when an act of cheating cost Villa the win. People are hardly going to have a little chuckle to themselves and say 'ooh, that Suarez, cheeky little player he is'. As has been proven many, many times, he's a horrible little cheat. I haven't seen anyone say anything more than that.
I've seen plenty of people who think that actually it was a penalty. I think on reflection it wasn't but I was in no way amazed that it was given.
I don't at all blame the referee for giving it, Suarez's acting was top notch. But it was acting and it was cheating. No amount of Shearer, Lineker and assorted other media types giving it the 'he was just being clever', 'he won the penalty', 'I'd have done the same' alters that.
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I thought Holt did well for what he did, no problems there, especially in his actual ball retention, but the loss of shape dragged us down a bit, and it's depressing to see Lambert, after watching a half where short passing through the midfield worked so incredibly well, suddenly thought "okay, now let's try lumping it forward". Once you've got it right, there's no excuse for then getting it wrong again.
Spot on. It is a concern that Lambert seems to prefer that approach of sticking two big men up front and playing it long, even when the other method is proving far more effective. His tactical nous, or lack thereof could be his undoing in the longer term.
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I thought Holt did well for what he did, no problems there, especially in his actual ball retention, but the loss of shape dragged us down a bit, and it's depressing to see Lambert, after watching a half where short passing through the midfield worked so incredibly well, suddenly thought "okay, now let's try lumping it forward". Once you've got it right, there's no excuse for then getting it wrong again.
Spot on. It is a concern that Lambert seems to prefer that approach of sticking two big men up front and playing it long, even when the other method is proving far more effective. His tactical nous, or lack thereof could be his undoing in the longer term.
I just hope he gives in to the evidence of what clearly works and what clearly doesn't. He has shown himself to be open to adjustment in the past, so lets hope he does so here. Not overly hopeful, but considerably more hopeful than I was 26 hours ago.
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Night and day that was compared to our recent performances. Westwood and El Ahmadi were energised. Westwood has looked so pedestrian of late. A shame we couldn't keep it up but it does show we do have players when we get it right. I do hope we can build on it and that Lambert still prioritises getting in a creative midfielder.
Have to say I find some of the defensive stuff on here pretty embarrassing. If Gabby had won that penalty, nothing would have been said. I'm not saying Suarez didn't milk it but Guzan's positioning in recent times hasn't been brilliant. Shot-stopping yes but often recently he's been found half-way between the striker and the goal and he's paid the price.
I'm quite shocked by some of the vitriol on here frankly, the decision was a bit soft but I saw plenty of fouls on Sturridge that weren't given in the first half. Let's turn it down a bit eh?
I personally thought I was quite polite and restrained in my opinion of him:
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I'm quite shocked by some of the vitriol on here frankly, the decision was a bit soft but I saw plenty of fouls on Sturridge that weren't given in the first half. Let's turn it down a bit eh?
Whether there were fouls on Sturridge earlier in the game is entirely irrelevant to the fact that Suarez deliberately dived to get the penalty.
He's a cheat. It wasn't gamemanship, it wasn't him 'winning the penalty', it was cheating plain and simple. The decision wasn't 'a bit soft', it was wrong.
As for the 'vitriol', I don't think you can expect anything else when an act of cheating cost Villa the win. People are hardly going to have a little chuckle to themselves and say 'ooh, that Suarez, cheeky little player he is'. As has been proven many, many times, he's a horrible little cheat. I haven't seen anyone say anything more than that.
I've seen plenty of people who think that actually it was a penalty. I think on reflection it wasn't but I was in no way amazed that it was given.
I don't at all blame the referee for giving it, Suarez's acting was top notch. But it was acting and it was cheating. No amount of Shearer, Lineker and assorted other media types giving it the 'he was just being clever', 'he won the penalty', 'I'd have done the same' alters that.
No, I've seen plenty of people who genuinely feel that it was a penalty. Like I said, I'm undecided but at worst it's a soft decision, there is no conclusive evidence one way or the other (no, not even that Vine...).
And what about Bacuna, was that cheating? Anyway, I'm taking Devil's advocate to the extreme here as I don't especially like the bloke but I think we're overdoing the victim thing here a bit ;)
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I have to say dive or no dive it was still a penalty, the contact was so minimal but there was some.
Sorry Ian J but reading monumental bollocks like that like makes me despair for the human race, to want to turn my back on football and kill small furry animals. I'll try and speak loudly and slowly so you understand:
IT'S A FUCKING CONTACT SPORT AND MINIMAL CONTACT DOES NOT= A FOUL. Geddit?
IF IT'S A DIVE IT CAN'T POSSIBLY BE A FOUL - they are mutually exclusive, although I sincerely doubt you would know what that means.
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No, I've seen plenty of people who genuinely feel that it was a penalty. Like I said, I'm undecided but at worst it's a soft decision, there is no conclusive evidence one way or the other (no, not even that Vine...).
And what about Bacuna, was that cheating? Anyway, I'm taking Devil's advocate to the extreme here as I don't especially like the bloke but I think we're overdoing the victim thing here a bit ;)
Again, the incident with Bacuna is irrelevant to the discussion about the penalty. One incident doesn't impact on the other.
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I'm sure all these people who appear to be racially abusing Stan Collymore only mean it in a 'matey' way. Just as Suarez did.
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I have to say dive or no dive it was still a penalty, the contact was so minimal but there was some.
Sorry Ian J but reading monumental bollocks like that like makes me despair for the human race, to want to turn my back on football and kill small furry animals. I'll try and speak loudly and slowly so you understand:
IT'S A FUCKING CONTACT SPORT AND MINIMAL CONTACT DOES NOT= A FOUL. Geddit?
IF IT'S A DIVE IT CAN'T POSSIBLY BE A FOUL - they are mutually exclusive, although I sincerely doubt you would know what that means.
Spot on that. I also like Legions picture, says it all. Cheating fucker Suarez.
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No, I've seen plenty of people who genuinely feel that it was a penalty. Like I said, I'm undecided but at worst it's a soft decision, there is no conclusive evidence one way or the other (no, not even that Vine...).
And what about Bacuna, was that cheating? Anyway, I'm taking Devil's advocate to the extreme here as I don't especially like the bloke but I think we're overdoing the victim thing here a bit ;)
Again, the incident with Bacuna is irrelevant to the discussion about the penalty. One incident doesn't impact on the other.
OK but we're not talking about it in any great depth though are we?
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I'm sure all these people who appear to be racially abusing Stan Collymore only mean it in a 'matey' way. Just as Suarez did.
Stan is bigger and better. He will lose no sleep because of morons on twater.
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No, I've seen plenty of people who genuinely feel that it was a penalty. Like I said, I'm undecided but at worst it's a soft decision, there is no conclusive evidence one way or the other (no, not even that Vine...).
And what about Bacuna, was that cheating? Anyway, I'm taking Devil's advocate to the extreme here as I don't especially like the bloke but I think we're overdoing the victim thing here a bit ;)
Again, the incident with Bacuna is irrelevant to the discussion about the penalty. One incident doesn't impact on the other.
OK but we're not talking about it in any great depth though are we?
No, because it didn't cost the Villa the win. I'm amazed that you're so surprised that fans of a club would want to debate a decision which cost their side the match.
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No, I've seen plenty of people who genuinely feel that it was a penalty. Like I said, I'm undecided but at worst it's a soft decision, there is no conclusive evidence one way or the other (no, not even that Vine...).
And what about Bacuna, was that cheating? Anyway, I'm taking Devil's advocate to the extreme here as I don't especially like the bloke but I think we're overdoing the victim thing here a bit ;)
Again, the incident with Bacuna is irrelevant to the discussion about the penalty. One incident doesn't impact on the other.
OK but we're not talking about it in any great depth though are we?
No, because it didn't cost the Villa the win. I'm amazed that you're so surprised that fans of a club would want to debate a decision which cost their side the match.
Of course I'm not amazed. Not at all, just surprised at how far it's being taken. How a disputed penalty early in the second half "certainly" cost us the win.
Also surprised how even though objectively many people think it was a penalty and many think it wasn't, it would appear to have been decided here that it was definite cheating and that there's some sort of media cover-up going on.
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Of course I'm not amazed. Not at all, just surprised at how far it's being taken. How a disputed penalty early in the second half "certainly" cost us the win.
Also surprised how even though objectively many people think it was a penalty and many think it wasn't, it would appear to have been decided here that it was definite cheating and that there's some sort of media cover-up going on.
Want some objectivity?
http://dynamic.pulselive.com/dynamic/client/bbc/motd/index.html?uid=bbc&poll=motd
BBC national poll - the question 'did Luis Suarez dive'? The result - 69% said 'yes'. A little more objective that the 'many people you have seen'.
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But Onje how can it have been a penalty when he wasn't touched? Or if you think he was touched, it was barely sufficient to brush a fly away, and it was more a case of Suarez throwing his trailing leg towards Guzan than anything Guzan did. At first sight and normal speed, yes, you can see why people may have been fooled. But I cannot understand how anyone with normal eyesight and even a basic knowledge of the laws of the game can say it was penalty after seeing the replays. Unless you accept that "being clever" (aka cheating) is now an acceptable part of the game, as the likes of Line Acre and She-Rah seem to.
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Of course I'm not amazed. Not at all, just surprised at how far it's being taken. How a disputed penalty early in the second half "certainly" cost us the win.
Also surprised how even though objectively many people think it was a penalty and many think it wasn't, it would appear to have been decided here that it was definite cheating and that there's some sort of media cover-up going on.
Want some objectivity?
http://dynamic.pulselive.com/dynamic/client/bbc/motd/index.html?uid=bbc&poll=motd
BBC national poll - the question 'did Luis Suarez dive'? The result - 69% said 'yes'. A little more objective that the 'many people you have seen'.
That's one source and it would also indicate that though a majority thought it was a dive, it was far from clear-cut. If you do a little reading on the subject, it's quite clear that it's a subject that has split public opinion. Different fans, pundits and newspapers having differing opinions.
I seem to remember Gabby's penalty against Blues being the same.
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What they say about Leopards applies to cheaters as well!
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What they say about Leopards applies to cheaters as well!
How long have you been saving that gem up for?
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That's one source and it would also indicate that though a majority thought it was a dive, it was far from clear-cut. If you do a little reading on the subject, it's quite clear that it's a subject that has split public opinion. Different fans, pundits and newspapers having differing opinions.
I seem to remember Gabby's penalty against Blues being the same.
70% compared to 30% isn't clear-cut. Really? It's a sight more conclusive than your 'I've seen many people who think it was a penalty', isn't it?
Gabby's penalty against Blues, the incident with Bacuna yesterday and whether the ball crossed the line in 1966 is still irrelevant to whether Suarez dived or not.
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But Onje how can it have been a penalty when he wasn't touched? Or if you think he was touched, it was barely sufficient to brush a fly away, and it was more a case of Suarez throwing his trailing leg towards Guzan than anything Guzan did. At first sight and normal speed, yes, you can see why people may have been fooled. But I cannot understand how anyone with normal eyesight and even a basic knowledge of the laws of the game can say it was penalty after seeing the replays. Unless you accept that "being clever" (aka cheating) is now an acceptable part of the game, as the likes of Line Acre and She-Rah seem to.
That's fair enough KT, the honest answer is I'm not sure what I think - look once and you can see contact, look again and there isn't any. I do think that "looking for" penalties and free-kicks is unsavoury but for me you can't prove it either way with that image.
And even if you could, I wouldn't be getting as annoyed as some people on here. I find this sort of thing quite similar to the views on referees - this one's a United fan, we never get anything of that one, we never get the breaks... etc
Plenty of stuff goes against us, plenty in our favour. Can't recall us complaining at Gabby's penalty vs the Blues.
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That's one source and it would also indicate that though a majority thought it was a dive, it was far from clear-cut. If you do a little reading on the subject, it's quite clear that it's a subject that has split public opinion. Different fans, pundits and newspapers having differing opinions.
I seem to remember Gabby's penalty against Blues being the same.
70% compared to 30% isn't clear-cut. Really? It's a sight more conclusive than your 'I've seen many people who think it was a penalty', isn't it?
Gabby's penalty against Blues, the incident with Bacuna yesterday and whether the ball crossed the line in 1966 is still irrelevant to whether Suarez dived or not.
But it's relevant to our reaction to it - that's sort of the point I've been trying to make here.
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But it's relevant to our reaction to it - that's sort of the point I've been trying to make here.
On one hand you have a decision that won us a match, on the other a decision that cost us the lead in a match/lost us the match. You'd kind of expect the reaction to be different, wouldn't you, it being a Villa forum?
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But it's relevant to our reaction to it - that's sort of the point I've been trying to make here.
On one hand you have a decision that won us a match, on the other a decision that cost us the lead in a match/lost us the match. You'd kind of expect the reaction to be different, wouldn't you, it being a Villa forum?
Yeah I do of course, it's a Villa forum and we all want Villa to win but it doesn't mean we have to cover it in mock objectivity and an outrageous sense of being hard done by. This one went against us but it was a top performance and hopefully this can push us onwards for the rest of the season.
(See how I tried to move on there ;))
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You go again.
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What they say about Leopards applies to cheaters as well!
How long have you been saving that gem up for?
I was disappointed that no one else so far had piled in with it!
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Plenty of stuff goes against us, plenty in our favour. Can't recall us complaining at Gabby's penalty vs the Blues.
I love the fact we are going back 5 + years to find a controversial decision penalty decision going our way. Is that the one where there was a stud of contact on the ball and then he brought down Gabby who was still going and still could score?
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Plenty of stuff goes against us, plenty in our favour. Can't recall us complaining at Gabby's penalty vs the Blues.
I love the fact we are going back 5 + years to find a controversial decision penalty decision going our way. Is that the one where there was a stud of contact on the ball and then he brought down Gabby who was still going and still could score?
Ah come on, it's not fair to use my shit memory against me, I can barely remember my left and right.
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[I'm not sure what I think - look once and you can see contact, look again and there isn't any
Rubbish. What you mean is look once and you think you see contact, look again and there isn't.
Why do we seem to have lost the idea of referees giving a decision when they definitely see something, otherwise play on.
One of the most commonly used phrases in modern football is 'minimal contact'. Why, when there is 'minimal contact' outside the penalty area, does the referee play on but inside the area his judgement of what is or isn't a foul changes.
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My first thought in real time was it was a penalty. I would imagine at the angle the referee saw it and the pace Guzan came out, it looked a penalty. From numerous angles and in slow motion it looks debatable but not conclusively a dive. That's a fact and why some thinks it is and others don't.
The most obvious potential for a penalty is when a goalkeeper charges out towards a player and he gets a touch first. It happens every weekend which is why I think the vitriol towards Suarez is a bit over the top. No doubt when Gabby is running at the same pace into the area, he is looking for the same opportunity and I'd take it if it happens.
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Have watched or heard from five pundits or football journalists over the weekend now, all of whom believed it was conclusively a pen. Reasoning seemed to be:
Guzan (and by extension all GKs) deserve it for coming off their line like that.
What else was Suarez (or any attacking player in that situation) meant to do but go down?
Any contact warrants a pen - all said there was contact, but none said where.
I feel winning a penalty in this manner has now become accepted as the norm, so much so no-one even ask if it's actually a foul anymore. Let's just draw a line on the
'diving' argument. Next time the finger is pointed at Bale, or Young, or whoever, I don't want to hear it. A lot of very influential people in the media seem totally fine with it.
eem absolutely fine w with
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No idea at all from my place in the stand, but feared the worst.
Seeing it on MOTD I thought The Tooth Monster was already going to ground and making the contact happen.
Some of the comments from Shearer and Lineker, saying "what do they expect Suarez to do?" doesn't justify the penalty being given. That is not a valid argument. If anything it implies that he DID take a dive, as if he chose to!
And "Guzan was stupid to do what he did"!
If I was big Brad I'd take a long hard look at Shearer next time I saw him before punching his smug face into some kind of decent shape.
UTV!
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No idea at all from my place in the stand, but feared the worst.
Seeing it on MOTD I thought The Tooth Monster was already going to ground and making the contact happen.
Some of the comments from Shearer and Lineker, saying "what do they expect Suarez to do?" doesn't justify the penalty being given. That is not a valid argument. If anything it implies that he DID take a dive, as if he chose to!
And "Guzan was stupid to do what he did"!
If I was big Brad I'd take a long hard look at Shearer next time I saw him before punching his smug face into some kind of decent shape.
UTV!
No disagreements from me on those points.
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Plenty of stuff goes against us, plenty in our favour. Can't recall us complaining at Gabby's penalty vs the Blues.
I love the fact we are going back 5 + years to find a controversial decision penalty decision going our way. Is that the one where there was a stud of contact on the ball and then he brought down Gabby who was still going and still could score?
Gabby at Arsenal
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Had a great day in hospitality with the wife's cousin, like last year. Nice bit of banter with John Bishop at the bar before the game and a thoroughly enjoyable game of football, then a bollocking good night out in Liverpool after. I do like a good night out in Liverpool!
The game....I thought we were superb in the first half, bar Sunderland 6-1 the best we have played under Lambert. We really could and should have had at least 4 but I thought conceding right on HT would kill us. I then thought conceding a penalty so soon after HT would definitely kill us, but I was very proud that we didn't go on to lose the game and probably had the best few chances to nick it. We lost our ability to stretch them once Gabby went off, but I though Holt showed plenty of nous when he game on! Even if Alby would have helped us keep our shape.
Mostly the game had me back to the feeling at the end of the season that we could after all be building something good here. There IS something about these boys.
I can understand everyone's point of view on the pen and shouldn't argue amongst ourselves. He "won" it without a doubt and it was always likely to be given at the Kop when they are losing. Not saying it's right, but it happens and we just get on with it. There's no saying we would have held out another 40 mins, or that we wouldn't have gone on to win it, but we didn't crumble and we got a good point that we would have been delighted with before the game. Carry on like that and we'll only climb the table. The scouters around me were also delighted with a draw and thought we were good, but they were shite.
Looking down at you guys in the corner, the support was again brilliant and mostly very funny. I just we wouldn't sing the "never work again" stuff there though, it's a bit cringy.
Can anyone tell me if Lowton was injured or just bombed out of the squad again? I thought his last 20 on Monday would have at least got him on the bench. Missed any pre-match news.
All in all a top weekend.
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Had a great day in hospitality with the wife's cousin, like last year. Nice bit of banter with John Bishop at the bar before the game and a thoroughly enjoyable game of football, then a bollocking good night out in Liverpool after. I do like a good night out in Liverpool!
The game....I thought we were superb in the first half, bar Sunderland 6-1 the best we have played under Lambert. We really could and should have had at least 4 but I thought conceding right on HT would kill us. I then thought conceding a penalty so soon after HT would definitely kill us, but I was very proud that we didn't go on to lose the game and probably had the best few chances to nick it. We lost our ability to stretch them once Gabby went off, but I though Holt showed plenty of nous when he game on! Even if Alby would have helped us keep our shape.
Mostly the game had me back to the feeling at the end of the season that we could after all be building something good here. There IS something about these boys.
I can understand everyone's point of view on the pen and shouldn't argue amongst ourselves. He "won" it without a doubt and it was always likely to be given at the Kop when they are losing. Not saying it's right, but it happens and we just get on with it. There's no saying we would have held out another 40 mins, or that we wouldn't have gone on to win it, but we didn't crumble and we got a good point that we would have been delighted with before the game. Carry on like that and we'll only climb the table. The scouters around me were also delighted with a draw and thought we were good, but they were shite.
Looking down at you guys in the corner, the support was again brilliant and mostly very funny. I just we would sing the "never work again" stuff there though, it's a bit cringy.
Can anyone tell me if Lowton was injured or just bombed out of the squad again? I thought his last 20 on Monday would have at least got him on the bench. Missed any pre-match news.
All in all a top weekend.
See the Lowton thread, in short he was disciplined for turning up late on Friday for training.
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Thanks Eastie, I'll go and have a look now.
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How many pages would have been used to discuss the penalty if it had been Gabby who won it?
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And with the recent query re lowton in mind, do we think Barry would have taken said penalty, and if not, why? :)
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Leaving the 'incident' to one side, what pleased me most was our ability to chase and harry high up the pitch. We did it against Sunderland recently and were at if for most of the 1st half yesterday. What this does is ensures we push up and when we nick the ball we are in areas of the pitch to do something with it. All too often this season we have sat back and stood off the opposition conceding possession and territory. I'm sure our home form would improve if we went after teams and forced mistakes in their half as opposed to watching the opposition pass us to death, gain confidence and ultimately beat us on our own patch.
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Well as Warza pointed out earlier we had a supposedly controversial pen so I checked the Arse match thread from August and there was 500 replies for post match. I think most of the discussion was whether Sczesney should have walked and not it was a dive.
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There was a feeling that maybe the penny had dropped with the way we approached that first half- the importance of being quick out of the blocks and asserting ourselves further up the pitch, rather than being penned in our own half.
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How many pages would have been used to discuss the penalty if it had been Gabby who won it?
Quite a lot I would imagine. It would have been somewhat of a novelty, Gabby winning a penalty for the opposition after he'd been substituted.
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Well as Warza pointed out earlier we had a supposedly controversial pen so I checked the Arse match thread from August and there was 500 replies for post match. I think most of the discussion was whether Sczesney should have walked and not it was a dive.
I'd suggest that the arsenal forum (whatever its called) would have been rife with posts saying it was a dive.
that and lots of threads asking Arsene to spend spend spend.
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I think we approached the game thinking 'we beat these here last year, we can do it again'. I was quite optimistic on the way up but I didn't think we'd play as well as we did.
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Well as Warza pointed out earlier we had a supposedly controversial pen so I checked the Arse match thread from August and there was 500 replies for post match. I think most of the discussion was whether Sczesney should have walked and not it was a dive.
I'd suggest that the arsenal forum (whatever its called) would have been rife with posts saying it was a dive.
that and lots of threads asking Arsene to spend spend spend.
I think it may be the second pen where it was arguable whether Kosielny (sp?)had played the ball first.
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Had a great day in hospitality with the wife's cousin, like last year. Nice bit of banter with John Bishop at the bar before the game and a thoroughly enjoyable game of football, then a bollocking good night out in Liverpool after. I do like a good night out in Liverpool!
The game....I thought we were superb in the first half, bar Sunderland 6-1 the best we have played under Lambert. We really could and should have had at least 4 but I thought conceding right on HT would kill us. I then thought conceding a penalty so soon after HT would definitely kill us, but I was very proud that we didn't go on to lose the game and probably had the best few chances to nick it. We lost our ability to stretch them once Gabby went off, but I though Holt showed plenty of nous when he game on! Even if Alby would have helped us keep our shape.
Mostly the game had me back to the feeling at the end of the season that we could after all be building something good here. There IS something about these boys.
I can understand everyone's point of view on the pen and shouldn't argue amongst ourselves. He "won" it without a doubt and it was always likely to be given at the Kop when they are losing. Not saying it's right, but it happens and we just get on with it. There's no saying we would have held out another 40 mins, or that we wouldn't have gone on to win it, but we didn't crumble and we got a good point that we would have been delighted with before the game. Carry on like that and we'll only climb the table. The scouters around me were also delighted with a draw and thought we were good, but they were shite.
Looking down at you guys in the corner, the support was again brilliant and mostly very funny. I just we wouldn't sing the "never work again" stuff there though, it's a bit cringy.
Can anyone tell me if Lowton was injured or just bombed out of the squad again? I thought his last 20 on Monday would have at least got him on the bench. Missed any pre-match news.
All in all a top weekend.
Also had a great day, meeting up with old Scouser college mate and a few of his friends. They thought they were gonna hammer us. Very complilmentary about our performance on the walk back to the car and about our support.
Proud Villain.
Sang my bo**ux off all afternoon except for the "sign on, sign on" stuff. I know it's all part of the "banter" but I just don't like it so I don't join in.
Wotever I can sing to rile the Baggies in 10 days' time however is a different matter!
UTV!
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Nice to be able to watch MOTD for a change. Still cannot figure out difference between yestaerday and the Sheff Utd game. Atiitude tactics everyhting completely different
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How many pages would have been used to discuss the penalty if it had been Gabby who won it?
Has Gabby got as much previous as Suarez has in these kind of incidents? Suarez is at it every week and it has got to the point now where he's being defended by a Liverpool friendly media.
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How many pages would have been used to discuss the penalty if it had been Gabby who won it?
Has Gabby got as much previous as Suarez has in these kind of incidents? Suarez is at it every week and it has got to the point now where he's being defended by a Liverpool friendly media.
That of course is another discussion - Souness, Hansen, Lawrenson, Redknapp, Carragher, McManaman, Owen, Fowler, Murphy - has any other club got as many ex-players in the media?
I'd understand it if they were especially good at it like Gary Neville but Carragher, McManaman, Fowler and Owen? Talk about jobs for the boys.
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Had a great day in hospitality with the wife's cousin, like last year. Nice bit of banter with John Bishop at the bar before the game and a thoroughly enjoyable game of football, then a bollocking good night out in Liverpool after. I do like a good night out in Liverpool!
The game....I thought we were superb in the first half, bar Sunderland 6-1 the best we have played under Lambert. We really could and should have had at least 4 but I thought conceding right on HT would kill us. I then thought conceding a penalty so soon after HT would definitely kill us, but I was very proud that we didn't go on to lose the game and probably had the best few chances to nick it. We lost our ability to stretch them once Gabby went off, but I though Holt showed plenty of nous when he game on! Even if Alby would have helped us keep our shape.
Mostly the game had me back to the feeling at the end of the season that we could after all be building something good here. There IS something about these boys.
I can understand everyone's point of view on the pen and shouldn't argue amongst ourselves. He "won" it without a doubt and it was always likely to be given at the Kop when they are losing. Not saying it's right, but it happens and we just get on with it. There's no saying we would have held out another 40 mins, or that we wouldn't have gone on to win it, but we didn't crumble and we got a good point that we would have been delighted with before the game. Carry on like that and we'll only climb the table. The scouters around me were also delighted with a draw and thought we were good, but they were shite.
Looking down at you guys in the corner, the support was again brilliant and mostly very funny. I just we wouldn't sing the "never work again" stuff there though, it's a bit cringy.
Can anyone tell me if Lowton was injured or just bombed out of the squad again? I thought his last 20 on Monday would have at least got him on the bench. Missed any pre-match news.
All in all a top weekend.
Good post Duncan, the most encouraging performance since the Chelsea game probably. Let's hope it's not a one-off.
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Leaving the 'incident' to one side, what pleased me most was our ability to chase and harry high up the pitch. We did it against Sunderland recently and were at if for most of the 1st half yesterday. What this does is ensures we push up and when we nick the ball we are in areas of the pitch to do something with it. All too often this season we have sat back and stood off the opposition conceding possession and territory. I'm sure our home form would improve if we went after teams and forced mistakes in their half as opposed to watching the opposition pass us to death, gain confidence and ultimately beat us on our own patch.
Bang on Lee, this is what we did at Arsenal and Chelsea and seem to stop doing since. I still worry about the performances at home but this was a benchmark for how we can play, especially on the road.
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Nice to be able to watch MOTD for a change. Still cannot figure out difference between yestaerday and the Sheff Utd game. Atiitude tactics everyhting completely different
Being away helped I think.
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Pat Nevin said an away team will never get that penalty however Hansen disagreed but than said he didn't take a hit? Schmeichel blamed Guzan for rushing out and giving Suarez a chance to dive ...errr go down I think he said.
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They also picked the home match where Guzan won the ball from Sturridge and it wasn't given as a penalty.
But TBF to Peter, he forgot that when he played for Manure, he could dive in like that and not get a penalty given against him.
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Hansen seemed to be saying that he dived, but that it was Brad's fault! He (Hansen) also grinned sheepishly at that point, which did nothing for my blood-pressure.
For what it's worth (i.e. nothing). I don't think there was any contact at all, but Surez is certainly as good as cheating (sorry, "taking advantage of a player's mistake" - A. Hansen) as he is at everything else... Which makes him half the player he could be.
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I appreciate that the Bacuna incident has nothing to do with the penalty but where are all the high and mighty posters condemning that -it was embarrassing and far worse acting than Suarez. I'm in the Gusan made it easy for Suarez camp and the fact there was some contact means it was always going to get given.
Overall a great performance from Villa though and most impressively to stay in the game for forty minutes after that penalty which handed all the momentum to Liverpool. Also really pleased with Bertrand. He may have lacked match fitness but looked so much more solid than previous incumbents - my heart sank when Tony Moon game on.
What we need now is to turn that performance into a home game and stuff the baggies. Can't wait!
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I appreciate that the Bacuna incident has nothing to do with the penalty but where are all the high and mighty posters condemning that -it was embarrassing and far worse acting than Suarez.
Sssssshhhhh! We had all agreed to not mention that ;D
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in these times of Villa austerity, a draw at klanfield is almost like a win. I'm very happy with our point and what i saw of the match on TV; especially given our woeful record against them down the years, home and away, going back to the early 90's.
Up the Villa!!
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I appreciate that the Bacuna incident has nothing to do with the penalty but where are all the high and mighty posters condemning that -it was embarrassing and far worse acting than Suarez.
Most of us not streaming or being at the match have not seen it including myself. The ones who have seen it have condemned it. This incident had a big change to the match. So it has been shown a lot.
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I appreciate that the Bacuna incident has nothing to do with the penalty but where are all the high and mighty posters condemning that -it was embarrassing and far worse acting than Suarez. I'm in the Gusan made it easy for Suarez camp and the fact there was some contact means it was always going to get given.
Overall a great performance from Villa though and most impressively to stay in the game for forty minutes after that penalty which handed all the momentum to Liverpool. Also really pleased with Bertrand. He may have lacked match fitness but looked so much more solid than previous incumbents - my heart sank when Tony Moon game on.
What we need now is to turn that performance into a home game and stuff the baggies. Can't wait!
I mentioned the Bacuna play acting pages back. It was embarrassing. It reminded me of Rivaldo against Turkey, when a player blasted the ball into his leg, only for him to roll around on the ground clutching his face.
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https://twitter.com/UnitedsRedArmy/status/424680343258812416/photo/1
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Sorry about the shitty background picture.
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well done Villa, showed that we can play.
Suarez......as brilliant a footballer he is....he needs to cut out the fucking cheating.
UTV
The Doc
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We'll see how Shearer, Lineker and the other Liverpool (BBC) arse lickers defend RatBoy when he dives for a penalty against England in the the world cup.
Because as sure as shit, he will cheat in that game.
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We'll see how Shearer, Lineker and the other Liverpool (BBC) arse lickers defend RatBoy when he dives for a penalty against England in the the world cup.
Because as sure as shit, he will cheat in that game.
I would love it........ love it, if that happened. It would make my World Cup to see Suarez cheat England to elimination.
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We'll see how Shearer, Lineker and the other Liverpool (BBC) arse lickers defend RatBoy when he dives for a penalty against England in the the world cup.
Because as sure as shit, he will cheat in that game.
I would love it........ love it, if that happened. It would make my World Cup to see Suarez cheat England to elimination.
Their views might just change a tad.
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We'll see how Shearer, Lineker and the other Liverpool (BBC) arse lickers defend RatBoy when he dives for a penalty against England in the the world cup.
Because as sure as shit, he will cheat in that game.
Quite I rememebr their bare face hipocricy when Rooney trod on Carvalaho's bollocks. And they blamed Ronaldo for getting him sent off.
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We'll see how Shearer, Lineker and the other Liverpool (BBC) arse lickers defend RatBoy when he dives for a penalty against England in the the world cup.
Because as sure as shit, he will cheat in that game.
I would love it........ love it, if that happened. It would make my World Cup to see Suarez cheat England to elimination.
Excellent, so would I. That would be so funny. Either that or Gerrard, Henderson or Sturridge injuring him seriously enough never to play again or, at worst, to be out for the whole of the following season
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https://twitter.com/UnitedsRedArmy/status/424680343258812416/photo/1
Man U fans have some gall posting something like that.
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Did anybody else notice when Luna was getting ready to come on, Lambert appeared to tell him "Remember, None of this" and did Luna's infamous hands behind back when defending gesture. ?
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https://twitter.com/UnitedsRedArmy/status/424680343258812416/photo/1
Man U fans have some gall posting something like that.
Exactly my thoughts. Couldn't find a picture of it without that shite behind it, appologies.
Ironic from them really as they have had some of the best divers in the history of the Premiership.
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The likes of Shearer defending it just adds to the whole misconception that it's allowed. The very wording 'right to go down' suggests a choice in the matter and if you choose to go down, it's a dive.
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I am going to have to let this go. Am in danger of getting into grief on Twitter, arguing with self-righteous scousers. The decision was 'harsh' but not 'wrong' apparently.
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I think in some regards we almost coped with Suarez too well. He had the worst game he's had all season probably, so it's certainly no surprise he had to resort to cheating.
That said, conceding one penalty to the fucker is better than him banging in a hattrick.
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On Sky Sports News this morning that ex ref Mcdermot was blaming Guzan for going to ground when he didn't need to.
According to him Vlaar had the line covered, so Guzan was in the wrong for giving Bucktoothed bastard the chance to go for the penalty.
I think the important words here are " Go for the penalty."
It was a very cute lift of the leg and fall, infront of the Kop that got him the decision, not a foul by Guzan.
There was no contact, just the chance for Bucktooth to " Go for the penalty."
If it had been one of our lads doing it, infront of the Kop and the penalty had been given then all these so called experts, Shearer, Lawrenson etc would have been up in arms at the fact the decision had gone our way.
As for the Bindipper fans, well, they would have been up for lynching the ref and been going mad on their own sites. But because it went their way the decision was "Harsh?"
Do me a favour you scouse lot, get someone with unbiased eyesight to have a proper luck. Until then just shut up.
You were out played all game and were very lucky we did not have you battered by half time.
UTV.
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About the game in general, the real killer was letting that one in before half time. As good as we were playing, Liverpool were always goign to come back at us in the 2nd half, so ultimately I think we failed to win as we should ahve been more than 1 goal clear at the break - we certainly deserved to be. In truth, had the little shit not dived they would have continued to chase the equaliser and probably got it anyway.
Credit to KEA for probably his best game for us and I thought Holt did well when he came on. If Gabby hadn't gone off injured, we may well have won it.
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The thing that riled me was these so called experts claiming there was contact, when there quite clearly wasn't. If anything, Suarez is being applauded for winning a penalty without actually being fouled.
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given our woeful record against them down the years, home and away, going back to the early 90's.
Up the Villa!!
But 2 draws and 2 wins in the last 5 games at Anfield
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I'm actually starting to see this argument that Guzan was at fault for giving Suarez the chance to go down. I similarly feel that all little old ladies should stay at home as the muggers can't be blamed if they see them outdoors, children should wear burkas around 70s BBC presenters and Poland were to blame for WWII for moving in next door to Germany.
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The thing that riled me was these so called experts claiming there was contact, when there quite clearly wasn't. If anything, Suarez is being applauded for winning a penalty without actually being fouled.
Sadly reflects the state of the modern game I guess, and many of these expects will get on their high horse over someone like Ashley Young always doing exactly the same thing. But because Saurez is causing sales of Kleenex among footy pundits to soar, he's just "playing the game."
Conning fouls is becoming more and more of an art. Certainly in terms of diving. But even going back 20 years ago before it become as hot a topic as it was now, you had someone like Shearer who'd perfected the art of fouling defenders without giving away freekicks and winning freekicks by going down very easily when he felt the timing was right. It's little surprise he doesn't see much problem with Suarez, being he was a bit of cheating bastard.
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given our woeful record against them down the years, home and away, going back to the early 90's.
Up the Villa!!
But 2 draws and 2 wins in the last 5 games at Anfield
Maybe we've become their bogey team! Be nice if we could actually beat them at Villa Park
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It tells you everything about the state of punditry that it's Stan Collymore with the controversial opinion on this.
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This is becoming a pet hate of mine
When did we seem to accept pundits using contact / or lack of to justify or argue a decision? When, oh when did contact equal a foul? "Yeah, he's gone down easy, but there was definitely contact". ARGGHH!! What about a foul? Was there a foul? Or just contact? Just contact? But that equals a foul does it? It does? No? Yes? Can there be contact AND a dive?? So what if he made contact? Is it a contact sport? Yes? No? Maybe? Who fecking knows anymore! JUST FECK OFF!!
Maybe, just maybe it isn't beyond the realms of plausibility that in a contact sport a player could make contact with another, who then falls over and it isn't actually a foul??! And surely you can commit a foul without any contact at all?? Yes?? Maybe? No?
Just me?
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The mentality today is if you are touched you go down and it's a fair decision because the defender was stupid enough to touch you. This is pure bs though, the amount of penalty calls I see given for contact that would get laughed at in the midfield area just proves that it's a view point that only applies to the penalty area.
It was a dive. It doesn't matter if Guzan ever so slightly brushed him. I'm only grateful the shit ref didn't concoct a red card up for Brad as a way of gifting the redshite a win. That's how bad the refereeing has become i'm happy we were only cheated slightly.
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Nope. Exactly what Stanley Victor Collymore was saying on Saturday night
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I'm actually starting to see this argument that Guzan was at fault for giving Suarez the chance to go down. I similarly feel that all little old ladies should stay at home as the muggers can't be blamed if they see them outdoors, children should wear burkas around 70s BBC presenters and Poland were to blame for WWII for moving in next door to Germany.
It reminds of the ignorant Patridge quip about the Irish being to blame for the potato famine for being such fussy eaters.
Clearly by their rationale the 3000 people who died on 9-11 shouldn't have got on planes or went to work just in case they were killed by terrorists.
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The thing that riled me was these so called experts claiming there was contact, when there quite clearly wasn't. If anything, Suarez is being applauded for winning a penalty without actually being fouled.
Sadly reflects the state of the modern game I guess, and many of these expects will get on their high horse over someone like Ashley Young always doing exactly the same thing. But because Saurez is causing sales of Kleenex among footy pundits to soar, he's just "playing the game."
Conning fouls is becoming more and more of an art. Certainly in terms of diving. But even going back 20 years ago before it become as hot a topic as it was now, you had someone like Shearer who'd perfected the art of fouling defenders without giving away freekicks and winning freekicks by going down very easily when he felt the timing was right. It's little surprise he doesn't see much problem with Suarez, being he was a bit of cheating bastard.
If Suarez played for anyone from 9th place down then he would be the scourge of the league. Instead he has apologisits lining up to defend his antics - just as they did his racism.
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Nope. Exactly what Stanley Victor Collymore was saying on Saturday night
We listened to him on the way back on Saturday night and he was fuming. He also got some absolute vile abuse on twitter for his trouble.
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I'm actually starting to see this argument that Guzan was at fault for giving Suarez the chance to go down. I similarly feel that all little old ladies should stay at home as the muggers can't be blamed if they see them outdoors, children should wear burkas around 70s BBC presenters and Poland were to blame for WWII for moving in next door to Germany.
It reminds of the ignorant Patridge quip about the Irish being to blame for the potato famine for being such fussy eaters.
Clearly by their rationale the 3000 people who died on 9-11 shouldn't have got on planes or went to work just in case they were killed by terrorists.
Excellent posts which sum up exactly where this whole charade seems to have ended up. It now appears to be anyone but Suarez's fault. Amazing, but unsurprising, how the mighty bindipper myth making machine can sway opinions
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Collymore often gets sickening abuse on Twitter, really disturbing stuff. To his credit, he takes it on and tries to do something about it.
As for the game, that's the type of performance I always expected from a Lambert team and one we don't see often enough. Why are we a counter-attacking team when we can be so effective pressing the ball? I would like to see us play that way every week, not just try to soak up pressure and hit on the counter.
Bertrand seemed to give us some instant solidity on the left and a midfielder now would give us a decent first 11 - when they play like that, anyway. When Luna and Sylla came on, it exposed the lack in depth of quality.
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Pretty obvious it was a dive and not a penalty, also obvious that Guzan has developed a habit of dealing poorly with these situations.
No idea why Gabby was replaced by Holt, thought Allbrighton would have been a better decision.
We should have taken all 3 points but the ref, Guzan and Lambert made sure we didn't.
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We should have taken all 3 points but the ref, Guzan and Lambert made sure we didn't.
Actually, Suarez made sure we didn't.
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Collymore says contact doesn't justify going down,whereas morons like Lineker and Owen say the opposite. Regarding the racist abuse,he always retweets them and read today that the police have got involved.
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Collymore says contact doesn't justify going down,whereas morons like Lineker and Owen say the opposite. Regarding the racist abuse,he always retweets them and read today that the police have got involved.
He's also had a tweet off someone threatening to kill him.
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It tells you everything about the state of punditry that it's Stan Collymore with the controversial opinion on this.
He's just challenging the decision ..
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I know. What I mean is that he is only stating the blindingly obvious, and it is controversial.
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Express and Star (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2014/01/20/paul-lambert-aston-villa-deserve-more-respect/)
Paul Lambert: Aston Villa deserve more respect
Boss Paul Lambert today rounded on Villa’s critics and insisted – 'we deserve more respect'.
The claret and blues chief believes his side are not getting enough credit this season.
They are 10th in the Premier League – but only six points off the bottom – after Saturday’s 2-2 draw at Liverpool.
And Lambert said Villa deserve recognition after their gritty point at Anfield.
He said: “I don't think we get the credit at certain times, I really don't. They have been knocked unfairly in certain aspects of it. But they have been excellent for me.
“I don't know where we were in the league this time last year - but we certainly weren't tenth. I think there is a miss-conception of the way we are going at the moment.
"People think we are doing poor and we are sitting tenth - it's really, really incredible, the perception of it. We have kicked on in a lot of aspects like our goals record, the way we play. Everything goes against us.
"This time last year we were right down."
Villa have a nine day break until they face Albion at home on January 29 with a revitalised Christian Benteke back in form.
The striker scored his second goal in two games after ending a four-month drought to earn praise from Lambert.
He said: “Benteke was excellent today and I don't think there's a quicker player than Agbonlahor down the sides. He is fantastic but I thought the two of them were excellent.
“(Ryan) Bertrand was also excellent. He is a big-time player. He has won the best tournament in club football and there was no doubt about throwing him in.
“He has played in big-time games in front of big crowds. He was outstanding.”
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Express and Star (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2014/01/20/paul-lambert-aston-villa-deserve-more-respect/)
Paul Lambert: Aston Villa deserve more respect
Boss Paul Lambert today rounded on Villa’s critics and insisted – 'we deserve more respect'.
The claret and blues chief believes his side are not getting enough credit this season.
They are 10th in the Premier League – but only six points off the bottom – after Saturday’s 2-2 draw at Liverpool.
And Lambert said Villa deserve recognition after their gritty point at Anfield.
He said: “I don't think we get the credit at certain times, I really don't. They have been knocked unfairly in certain aspects of it. But they have been excellent for me.
“I don't know where we were in the league this time last year - but we certainly weren't tenth. I think there is a miss-conception of the way we are going at the moment.
"People think we are doing poor and we are sitting tenth - it's really, really incredible, the perception of it. We have kicked on in a lot of aspects like our goals record, the way we play. Everything goes against us.
"This time last year we were right down."
Villa have a nine day break until they face Albion at home on January 29 with a revitalised Christian Benteke back in form.
The striker scored his second goal in two games after ending a four-month drought to earn praise from Lambert.
He said: “Benteke was excellent today and I don't think there's a quicker player than Agbonlahor down the sides. He is fantastic but I thought the two of them were excellent.
“(Ryan) Bertrand was also excellent. He is a big-time player. He has won the best tournament in club football and there was no doubt about throwing him in.
“He has played in big-time games in front of big crowds. He was outstanding.”
I'm not sure I'd agree that we have kicked on in the way we play , from feb to May last season i thought we played much better football than we have done this season - our best 4 performances have been against the top 4 teams but we have struggled Against the so called lesser sides and not hit the heights in our play that we often did during the final 3rd of last season.
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Try the home record/performances Paul, where most fans pay to see us play.
Credit where it's due, it was a decent performance on Saturday and a win against the Baggies will ease a lot of pressure.
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Building a siege mentality, I like it.
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Building a siege mentality, I like it.
There's a siege mentality and then there's being insular, which can make everyone uptight and nervy (see the England cricket team).
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I wouldn't take it that seriously, its coming from a man who once compared Johnny Howson to Iniesta.
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Don't take what is said in public as gospel. What he says in public is for the player's morale, team spirit (as in this case) and at other times, to rally the fans. He will have his private thoughts too which can be realised by his actions over time (for example, bringing in Ryan Bertrand and dropping Luna).
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Now, can we have a performance on par with this in a home game? Please!
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Express and Star (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2014/01/20/paul-lambert-aston-villa-deserve-more-respect/)
Paul Lambert: Aston Villa deserve more respect
Boss Paul Lambert today rounded on Villa’s critics and insisted – 'we deserve more respect'.
The claret and blues chief believes his side are not getting enough credit this season.
They are 10th in the Premier League – but only six points off the bottom – after Saturday’s 2-2 draw at Liverpool.
And Lambert said Villa deserve recognition after their gritty point at Anfield.
He said: “I don't think we get the credit at certain times, I really don't. They have been knocked unfairly in certain aspects of it. But they have been excellent for me.
“I don't know where we were in the league this time last year - but we certainly weren't tenth. I think there is a miss-conception of the way we are going at the moment.
"People think we are doing poor and we are sitting tenth - it's really, really incredible, the perception of it. We have kicked on in a lot of aspects like our goals record, the way we play. Everything goes against us.
"This time last year we were right down."
Villa have a nine day break until they face Albion at home on January 29 with a revitalised Christian Benteke back in form.
The striker scored his second goal in two games after ending a four-month drought to earn praise from Lambert.
He said: “Benteke was excellent today and I don't think there's a quicker player than Agbonlahor down the sides. He is fantastic but I thought the two of them were excellent.
“(Ryan) Bertrand was also excellent. He is a big-time player. He has won the best tournament in club football and there was no doubt about throwing him in.
“He has played in big-time games in front of big crowds. He was outstanding.”
What's a miss-conception?
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He really does talk out his arse. I guess he's a stubborn git that doesn't take kindly to any criticism no matter how constructive it may be.
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Villa manager sticking up for his players? shocking.
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A repeat of last seasons best home display at our next home game would be very much welcome!
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A repeat of last seasons best home display at our next home game would be very much welcome!
And all God's people said Amen brother!
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He really does talk out his arse. I guess he's a stubborn git that doesn't take kindly to any criticism no matter how constructive it may be.
Just hope that he doesn't mean that the fans are fickle.
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He really does talk out his arse. I guess he's a stubborn git that doesn't take kindly to any criticism no matter how constructive it may be.
Just hope that he doesn't mean that the fans are fickle.
Well you won't find anybody more happy with Saturday's performance on this thread than me. We were absolutely fantastic for the first 45 minutes. A joy to watch. After the last few months of some of the ugliest football around, Lambert defending "the way we play" is more than a bit rich, it's bullshit.
I don't know what happened before the game on Saturday, what was done or said but whatever it was it must be repeated. It's not as if it was counter attacking football, it was far greater than that, from the first minute we went for the jugular with passing, movement and closing them down. A tactic that should easily transfer to home games.
Whether credit is due to Lambert for Saturday, I don't know. I guess it depends on whether or not he'll take responsibility for the shite served up for most of this season. Reading his comments, I wonder whether he's defending his players or himself.
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A repeat of last seasons best home display at our next home game would be very much welcome!
I can actually see this happening :)
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Villa manager sticking up for his players? shocking.
He's sticking up for himself.
I'm guessing that he has not taken kindly to criticism and comments he's been getting and has jumped on the back of a good result to swipe back.
He'd have a point if it weren't for the fact that Saturday's performance was so out of character with what has followed since the home game against Liverpool early in the season.
If anything Saturday's game is a further indictment on the way we have been set up to play this season.
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One good performance does not make a summer.
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Only a pity we are not playing the Baggies a bit sooner. That club is in disarray at the moment.Long's cleared off and Jeremy Peace will make sure Anelka doesn't play again. We need to keep this new found impetus going as soon as possible.
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One good performance does not make a summer.
It doesn't but what a performance! A performance to follow and build on. That's what we should have been doing after the first two games of the season instead of playing Charlie Hughes' percentage game. Hoof the season's tactics back to the last century where they belong and work on what we did on Saturday. Every single player deserves credit so it's not their lack of ability that's to blame. It's the tactics, Stupid.*
*Not you obviously, bertlambshank.
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One good performance does not make a summer.
It doesn't but what a performance! A performance to follow and build on. That's what we should have been doing after the first two games of the season instead of playing Charlie Hughes' percentage game. Hoof the season's tactics back to the last century where they belong and work on what we did on Saturday. Every single player deserves credit so it's not their lack of ability that's to blame. It's the tactics, Stupid.*
*Not you obviously, bertlambshank.
Unfortunately I agree 100%.
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What's a miss-conception?
A phantom pregnancy.
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Lambert has been banging on about stats meaning nothing and setting out teams to sit back and watch the opposition, but when we play on the front foot and match possession then we have the best performance of the season. He can't have it both ways.
There was also a reason we were 14/1 to win and 8/1 to draw...
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"I think Suarez was probably a bit surprised to have it given but those are the decisions and you have to get on with it and go again''.
It's catching.
This was Guzan speaking.