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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dekko on January 17, 2014, 10:11:36 AM
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On loan till the end of the season according to SSN and Mourinho.
Still really need that no10, but a very good signing nonetheless imo
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Breaking transfer news: Villa secure loan deal for Chelsea ace
Ryan Bertrand signs from Chelsea.
The Club is pleased to announce the signing of Ryan Bertrand on loan from Chelsea to the end of the season.
The 24-year-old full back has played in 56 matches in all competitions for Chelsea, including the 2012 Champions League final victory over Bayern Munich in the Allianz Arena.
He has represented England at every level from U17s through to the senior side, making his full England debut against Italy in 2012.
He also represented Great Britain at the London Olympics in 2012.
Manager Paul Lambert said: "Ryan brings a lot of big-game experience, not only in the Barclays Premier League but even a Champions League final which Chelsea won, so he'll be really good for us.
"The way he plays the game and as a person, too, he'll fit in here great and it will be good for him also to be playing games. He has real enthusiasm for the game and he's looking forward to playing here.
"We're grateful to Chelsea for allowing him to come here on loan and we know he'll be really good to work with."
Bertrand said: "It's a fantastic opportunity for me to come here. Aston Villa is a fantastic club with a massive fanbase and a great history. To get this chance to come here and play some games will be a really good step for me.
"Whenever I've played for Chelsea here at Villa Park the fans have been fantastic and have always created a great atmosphere. The pitch, too, has always been great, including when we played in the Community Shield here against Manchester City, and I'm looking forward to playing on it more regularly until the end of the season.
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Agreed on both counts, a good signing, albeit on a short term basis.
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We'll be in pole position for a permanent move in the summer is the audition goes well.
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Didn't see that coming.
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Another loan player though!
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Now that's how you play the loan system.
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Great deal, don't care if it's only 5 months, tide us over till summer and make sure we don't blow the gap we've created from the bottom 3. I reckon this window will be about fighting fires cost effectively.
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Decent player. Shame it's on loan. Surely this means either Luna or Bennett are off in the summer?
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Decent player. Shame it's on loan. Surely this means either Luna or Bennett are off in the summer?
I reckon Bennett will be off on loan to the Championship when fit.
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Very good loan deal that is.
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Decent player. Shame it's on loan. Surely this means either Luna or Bennett are off in the summer?
Surely Luna. Bennett could do with strengthening, Luna looks most of the time he lacks basic fullback awareness.
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Can he hoof it?
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Don't know anything about him, but he can't be worse than Luna.
So that's three left backs in under Lambert now. Surely if we throw enough in one will work out eventually.
Welcome Ryan
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Happy with that, be even better if there is a chance of permanent, but I suspect he'll be another Kyle Walker who takes over full-time from Cashley Cole when he goes back.
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Good signing. He's a little suspect defensively, but frankly he's Roberto Carlos in comparison to the other two. See how he does and in the summer I don't think he'd be out of our reach on a permanent. I don't see him staying long term at Chelsea because they're always going to spend big. I'm not sure he's Chelsea standard. He's more than good enough for us though.
That's more like it Lambo.
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It is a good loan move. He is quality. He is also older and more experienced than I thought. 24 and nearly 200 league games with all his previous loans. He must also think he has an outside chance of a world cup place.
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If I never see Luna prancing backwards towards the Holte with his arms linked behind his back it will be too soon.
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If I never see Luna prancing backwards towards the Holte with his arms linked behind his back it will be too soon.
there was a moment on Monday when I saw him running back from an almost wide right midfield position to desperately try to cvoer Sagna in acres and acres of space and for me that was the final straw for him. Did improve 2nd half though!!
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Can he hoof it?
Oh my...
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I've not seen a great deal of him but it's been warmly received so far which is good.
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Bertrand can also play left-midfield so we may not have seen the last of Luna / Bennett just yet!!
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Chelsea are in for Shaw and have another left back in front of him. He will be available in the summer. Good singing.
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Don't know anything about him, but he can't be worse than Luna.
So that's three left backs in under Lambert now. Surely if we throw enough in one will work out eventually.
Welcome Ryan
;D
My thoughts too.
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Better going forward than defending, but better at both than Luna.
Played in some big games (CL final!) so you'd think he can handle the pressure of playing at VP better than our lads!
Also the poster who said Bennett might go on loan to the championship has the right idea.
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Good signing although would have preferred an option to buy at the end of loan.
Will improve defence without doubt.
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Chelsea are in for Shaw and have another left back in front of him. He will be available in the summer. Good singing.
Definitely good value then. Decent left back and can hold a tune.
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If we got Naughton on board on the right hand side too, that'll be pretty decent as well. Whether that's still in Lamberts mind I don't know. Though I'd hope that Lowton will start improving again.
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Chelsea are in for Shaw and have another left back in front of him. He will be available in the summer. Good singing.
:)
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He's a decent player and better than Luna so that'll help our defence, welcome Ryan.
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If we got Naughton on board on the right hand side too, that'll be pretty decent as well. Whether that's still in Lamberts mind I don't know. Though I'd hope that Lowton will start improving again.
I'd have thought Bertrand would be instead of Naughton rather than as well as. I'd be quite happy to keep Lowton in until the end of the season to be honest. Left back was the one that needed addressing.
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Now that's a bit more like it. Bertrand is a good player.
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Chelsea are in for Shaw and have another left back in front of him. He will be available in the summer. Good singing.
Definitely good value then. Decent left back and can hold a tune.
Predictive phones grrrrr
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Great signing and in a position that I was most worried about.
Nice one and welcome Ryan.
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Good signing although would have preferred an option to buy at the end of loan.
Will improve defence without doubt.
How do you know we haven't got a clause to buy? In any case, there's always an option to buy. All you have to do is offer Chelsea an acceptable amount and agree personal terms.
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yep welcome Ryan, all the best down the Villa.
UTV
The Doc
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Left back has been a huge problem this season - this will no doubt be a very big improvement in that area , lets hope we can get a midfielder or two in next.
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Left back has been a huge problem this season - this will no doubt be a very big improvement in that area , lets hope we can get a midfielder or two in next.
Left back has been a huge problem since Bouma's leg snapped in half.
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We didn't see that one coming - a nice bit of business, especially if we can make it permanent in the summer.
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So is he a solid defender or attacking defender- I hope you know what I mean?
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I've not seen him play too much. Is he actually good?
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I know Lambert tried to sign him when he came and was told no, He's a good signing. He'll be able to play tomorrow won't he?
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Good signing although would have preferred an option to buy at the end of loan.
Will improve defence without doubt.
How do you know we haven't got a clause to buy? In any case, there's always an option to buy. All you have to do is offer Chelsea an acceptable amount and agree personal terms.
There is not always an option to buy - do you think Everton have an option on lukaku?
Lets hope he has a good spell here as did kyle walker , I'm sure he will be very decent for us.
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Did well in Chelsea's European cup final and seemed to have a big future at the time. So good news.
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I know Lambert tried to sign him when he came and was told no, He's a good signing. He'll be able to play tomorrow won't he?
He can play tomorrow, yeah mate.
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Pleased with this.
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I know Lambert tried to sign him when he came and was told no, He's a good signing. He'll be able to play tomorrow won't he?
He can play tomorrow, yeah mate.
In that case - 3.1 to us again!
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Pleased with this.
Me too .
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Pleased with this.
Me too .
Me three.
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It's funny after complaints about how many players Chelsea have on loan!
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So is he a solid defender or attacking defender- I hope you know what I mean?
The latter, although hes also a better defender than Luna/Bennett
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So is he a solid defender or attacking defender- I hope you know what I mean?
The latter, although hes also a better defender than Luna/Bennett
Agreed, although this is hardly a glowing tribute to our scouts.
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Good stuff.
How many players can we have on loan at one time? Was just wondering whether the mooted possibility of loaning Defour till the end of the season is now not possible.
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If Lowton could recapture his best form we would seem to have the makings of a very good back 4 once everyone is fit again.
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Decent signing maybe , Lambert does know what he is doing
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It's funny after complaints about how many players Chelsea have on loan!
I think a lot of us have criticised the loan market and the money clubs abuse of it/stockpiling of players. But we have also been critical of Villa's failure to use the system, such as it is, as well as other clubs like ourselves.
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A Chelsea season-ticket-holding colleague has just described him as "good, but not very adventurous" to me. "Likes to pass sideways" apparently. My response was that if he likes to pass to a player in the same shirt he'll do, regardless.
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People seem to rate him and I have seen others say that he is quite attacking. Lowton of the second half against Arsenal putting crosses in on one side and this guy getting them in on the other flank should hopefully make us more dynamic in attack.
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Good stuff.
How many players can we have on loan at one time? Was just wondering whether the mooted possibility of loaning Defour till the end of the season is now not possible.
I think it'll be Hoolahan and that's it maybe unless he has another centre half in mind.
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A Chelsea season-ticket-holding colleague has just described him as "good, but not very adventurous" to me. "Likes to pass sideways" apparently. My response was that if he likes to pass to a player in the same shirt he'll do, regardless.
That made me chuckle
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Wonder if he has been guaranteed a starting spot with the World Cup on the agenda for him...
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Good stuff.
How many players can we have on loan at one time? Was just wondering whether the mooted possibility of loaning Defour till the end of the season is now not possible.
I think it'll be Hoolahan and that's it maybe unless he has another centre half in mind.
I would guess a centre half on loan as he would only be looking at cover until Okore is fit. I would also think that by bringing in Holt from the championship he has left himself the chance to try and bring one in from a Premier League club.
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Wonder if he has been guaranteed a starting spot with the World Cup on the agenda for him...
Having Luna as his competition is probably a good enough guarantee of a starting spot!
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A Chelsea season-ticket-holding colleague has just described him as "good, but not very adventurous" to me. "Likes to pass sideways" apparently. My response was that if he likes to pass to a player in the same shirt he'll do, regardless.
The other thing is, I suspect what Chelsea fans describe as "good" is different to our definition.
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A Chelsea season-ticket-holding colleague has just described him as "good, but not very adventurous" to me. "Likes to pass sideways" apparently. My response was that if he likes to pass to a player in the same shirt he'll do, regardless.
The other thing is, I suspect what Chelsea fans describe as "good" is different to our definition.
yes spoilt bastards spring to mind
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Don't like this passing sideways business. Already have enough of that going on.
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A lot more up beat about this loan deal after the previous disillusion.
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Looks a decent player to me, just wondering if he has a decent loan spell we may be able to sign him permanently?
It could be that Chelsea go for Luke Shaw now, just a guess but that could work nicely in our favour.
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I've been saying for a long time that Villa should flash the plastic and bring in Bertrand.
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Didn't see that one coming. Doesn't bode well for Bennet and Luna though does it? I can't see this as being a tilt for a World Cup berth, unless there are a couple of bad injuries, as Baines, Cole and Shaw must be ahead of him in that pecking order. Let's hope this is with a view to a permanent deal in the summer and possibly the shortest career you'll see for Tony Moon (great name, shit player).
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Good signing although would have preferred an option to buy at the end of loan.
Will improve defence without doubt.
How do you know we haven't got a clause to buy? In any case, there's always an option to buy. All you have to do is offer Chelsea an acceptable amount and agree personal terms.
There is not always an option to buy - do you think Everton have an option on lukaku?
Lets hope he has a good spell here as did kyle walker , I'm sure he will be very decent for us.
If they want to buy him, they will need to offer Chelsea an acceptable sum of money. That figure may be astronomical considering how good he has been. All I'm saying is all clubs have the option, as in a choice to try and buy a player they have on Loan. Everton have the option to pay the asking price. As do Villa, with Bertrand.
Again, how do you know there isn't a clause in this confidential contract between the clubs?
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I'm not a fan of loan deals to clubs in the same division; but I'm glad we're bringing in a new left back with a little bit of pedigree.
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Good signing, would be happy if it was a transfer instead of a loan.. Maybe in the summer.
Next now, please.
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Excellent Loan Move getting a player in who is better than what we have. LEts hope he performs like Kyle Walker did.
Luna is ok going forward but is terrible defensively.
Holt is a short measure signing clearly not great but needs must with Kozak injured.
We need a midfielder now and then he wont have done too bad.
Lets hope Lambo is learning from his mistakes
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A good loan signing which should significantly strengthen us at the back, will be interesting to see how he fits in and adapts to Lambert's 'system'.
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A Chelsea season-ticket-holding colleague has just described him as "good, but not very adventurous" to me. "Likes to pass sideways" apparently. My response was that if he likes to pass to a player in the same shirt he'll do, regardless.
Excellent, he can pass it inside to Clark and then.....hooooof!
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Can he hoof it?
Required skill for B6 ;D ;D
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If he can square the ball inside to Benteke/Gabby/Holt from say 20 yards to 5 yards from the by-line, then that would be just super.
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Don't like this passing sideways business. Already have enough of that going on.
Sideways is an improvement on backwards. (Someone else has probably said this).
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Good signing although would have preferred an option to buy at the end of loan.
Will improve defence without doubt.
How do you know we haven't got a clause to buy? In any case, there's always an option to buy. All you have to do is offer Chelsea an acceptable amount and agree personal terms.
There is not always an option to buy - do you think Everton have an option on lukaku?
Lets hope he has a good spell here as did kyle walker , I'm sure he will be very decent for us.
If they want to buy him, they will need to offer Chelsea an acceptable sum of money. That figure may be astronomical considering how good he has been. All I'm saying is all clubs have the option, as in a choice to try and buy a player they have on Loan. Everton have the option to pay the asking price. As do Villa, with Bertrand.
Again, how do you know there isn't a clause in this confidential contract between the clubs?
Just because a club loan out a player it doesn't mean he is necessarily for sale - clubs like Chelsea and arsenal can loan out players to give them premiership games as has been the case with others - if we do have an opportunity to do a permanent deal then all well and good - if not then he will improve our side while he is here as did kyle walker .
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Cross like Lowton and don't defend like Tony and you'll be a great signing Ryan
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If it keeps us in the Division (not by the skin of our teeth) and sets the tone for summer acquisitions then it will be a result for me. With the midfield still to be strengthened, this window, we must hope to see a happier and vibrant Villa Park from now on. That must be our immediate aim.
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Don't like this passing sideways business. Already have enough of that going on.
Sideways is an improvement on backwards. (Someone else has probably said this).
And a massive improvement on 'to the opposition'
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If it keeps us in the Division (not by the skin of our teeth) and sets the tone for summer acquisitions then it will be a result for me. With the midfield still to be strengthened, this window, we must hope to see a happier and vibrant Villa Park from now on. That must be our immediate aim.
We're level on points with Hull - do you think they've signed Long and Jelavic to keep them in the division?
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If it keeps us in the Division (not by the skin of our teeth) and sets the tone for summer acquisitions then it will be a result for me. With the midfield still to be strengthened, this window, we must hope to see a happier and vibrant Villa Park from now on. That must be our immediate aim.
We're level on points with Hull - do you think they've signed Long and Jelavic to keep them in the division?
I would have thought so yeah. Everyone up to 10th will be aiming to stay in the division, first and foremost.
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If it keeps us in the Division (not by the skin of our teeth) and sets the tone for summer acquisitions then it will be a result for me. With the midfield still to be strengthened, this window, we must hope to see a happier and vibrant Villa Park from now on. That must be our immediate aim.
We're level on points with Hull - do you think they've signed Long and Jelavic to keep them in the division?
I would have thought so yeah. Everyone up to 10th will be aiming to stay in the division, first and foremost.
We're not in a relegation fight at the moment, but the gaps between the bottom 10 clubs are miniscule, so I wouldn't be getting too complacent about our safety or not.
And that's not saying "we're going down" before anyone thinks that's what I mean.
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Good signing although would have preferred an option to buy at the end of loan.
Will improve defence without doubt.
How do you know we haven't got a clause to buy? In any case, there's always an option to buy. All you have to do is offer Chelsea an acceptable amount and agree personal terms.
There is not always an option to buy - do you think Everton have an option on lukaku?
Lets hope he has a good spell here as did kyle walker , I'm sure he will be very decent for us.
If they want to buy him, they will need to offer Chelsea an acceptable sum of money. That figure may be astronomical considering how good he has been. All I'm saying is all clubs have the option, as in a choice to try and buy a player they have on Loan. Everton have the option to pay the asking price. As do Villa, with Bertrand.
Again, how do you know there isn't a clause in this confidential contract between the clubs?
Just because a club loan out a player it doesn't mean he is necessarily for sale - clubs like Chelsea and arsenal can loan out players to give them premiership games as has been the case with others - if we do have an opportunity to do a permanent deal then all well and good - if not then he will improve our side while he is here as did kyle walker .
All I'm saying is that we can offer Chelsea some money to permanently sign Bertrand in the summer after his loan. You can do that whether there is an agreement in place or not.
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If it keeps us in the Division (not by the skin of our teeth) and sets the tone for summer acquisitions then it will be a result for me. With the midfield still to be strengthened, this window, we must hope to see a happier and vibrant Villa Park from now on. That must be our immediate aim.
We're level on points with Hull - do you think they've signed Long and Jelavic to keep them in the division?
Yes, exactly that.
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Ça plane pour moi.
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Ça plane pour moi.
He'll miss all those plastics at Chelsea.
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If it keeps us in the Division (not by the skin of our teeth) and sets the tone for summer acquisitions then it will be a result for me. With the midfield still to be strengthened, this window, we must hope to see a happier and vibrant Villa Park from now on. That must be our immediate aim.
We're level on points with Hull - do you think they've signed Long and Jelavic to keep them in the division?
I would have thought so yeah. Everyone up to 10th will be aiming to stay in the division, first and foremost.
We're not in a relegation fight at the moment, but the gaps between the bottom 10 clubs are miniscule, so I wouldn't be getting too complacent about our safety or not.
And that's not saying "we're going down" before anyone thinks that's what I mean.
All the clubs below 10th place will be thinking about getting to 40 points. If that is achieved with a few games left you can start looking upwards.
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Good loan signing , so much better than the other two
Lets hope we can get some money back for Bennett and Luna and put towards a permanent signing in the summer for him .
Maybe Bennett will come good eventually ,I dont know but I would look at Naughton in the summer instead , I would be happy with Bertrand and Naughton.
Bertrand sounds a bit french ;)
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I would be surprised if it turns into a permanent deal. It takes a very ambitious and self confident player to take a step down. Cahill leaving for Bolton spring to mind.
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I would be surprised if it turns into a permanent deal. It takes a very ambitious and self confident player to take a step down. Cahill leaving for Bolton spring to mind.
We didn't want Cahill and Bolton did. Maybe Berto (see what I did?) might think it's better for his long-term career to have two years with us in the Premier League than three more clubs on loan.
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at least its not another signing from a european second league or off the bench from Chesterfield.
These are the sort of signings I prefer , yes still young enough but will plenty of premiership experience , been with top players and still a point to prove esp with England . I was expecting more like this since PL took over but he has got it wrong too many times , If hes staying , Lets hope hes learned from his transfer mistakes.
Now go and ask them about Mata ;)
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I would be surprised if it turns into a permanent deal. It takes a very ambitious and self confident player to take a step down. Cahill leaving for Bolton spring to mind.
I think it's possible. He's their 3rd choice LB at the moment and they've been strongle linked to Luke Shaw, who's also a Chelsea fan I think.
It's one for the summer, but I think he might be available if we can match his wage demands.
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Bertrand? Better.
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If it keeps us in the Division (not by the skin of our teeth) and sets the tone for summer acquisitions then it will be a result for me. With the midfield still to be strengthened, this window, we must hope to see a happier and vibrant Villa Park from now on. That must be our immediate aim.
We're level on points with Hull - do you think they've signed Long and Jelavic to keep them in the division?
After this month it will be too late if we do nothing now. Four or five defeats on the trot will put us well in the mire. That is the way we were heading. I don't what Hull's plans are, or how they have been playing, but I bet they have been better than us. How could they be worse on our current form?
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If it keeps us in the division and we have a sniff of signing him in the summer, then fine but I have a huge aversion to developing that bunch of tossers' best players...
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I am sure four or five defeats would put us in the mire. Four or five wins would put us well in the mix for a top 8 finish.
The result will likely be something in between, much as it has been all season.
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If it keeps us in the division and we have a sniff of signing him in the summer, then fine but I have a huge aversion to developing that bunch of tossers' best players...
If Chavski get Shaw , Bertrand wont stay there . Might end up at Soton thou
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I would be surprised if it turns into a permanent deal. It takes a very ambitious and self confident player to take a step down. Cahill leaving for Bolton spring to mind.
I think it's possible. He's their 3rd choice LB at the moment and they've been strongle linked to Luke Shaw, who's also a Chelsea fan I think.
It's one for the summer, but I think he might be available if we can match his wage demands.
Not to mention the fact that Bertrand is 24 now, and will be 25 by the start of next season. That's getting a bit old to be a "future first-teamer", even for a club like Chelsea. If he's looking for regular first-team football, it's looking ever-more-likely that he will have to leave them permanently, and why couldn't it be to us?
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I would be surprised if it turns into a permanent deal. It takes a very ambitious and self confident player to take a step down. Cahill leaving for Bolton spring to mind.
I think it's possible. He's their 3rd choice LB at the moment and they've been strongle linked to Luke Shaw, who's also a Chelsea fan I think.
It's one for the summer, but I think he might be available if we can match his wage demands.
Not to mention the fact that Bertrand is 24 now, and will be 25 by the start of next season. That's getting a bit old to be a "future first-teamer", even for a club like Chelsea. If he's looking for regular first-team football, it's looking ever-more-likely that he will have to leave them permanently, and why couldn't it be to us?
Hes got 4 mths to show us
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I guess it will come down to whether he wants to play football or drive a gunmetal Bentley around Cobham. Chelsea and their like have created a generation of lotus-eaters. Hope he's not one of them.
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If it keeps us in the division and we have a sniff of signing him in the summer, then fine but I have a huge aversion to developing that bunch of tossers' best players...
If Chavski get Shaw , Bertrand wont stay there . Might end up at Soton thou
Southampton is a very dodgy shout considering their current situation.
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I'd guess Bertrand is out the door from Chelsea in the summer so he should be busting a gut to find a decent club and get to the World Cup.
He certianly shouldn't lack motivation which is something you'd question with some loans.
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I'm pleased with us signing him hope we get him permanent in the summer.
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Some tactical options on Lee Ryan Bertrand (topical)
Now we can release benno as an attacking left sider unless we utilise him on right but defo put him in midfield.
Could and should be played as left side middle Bertrand could dovetail (i like this word) with benno or luna on left flank
oh actually the other thing is i read at least some poster on transfer thread about Chelsea loaning players out well we are another feeder so what are people saying now!! if you made point of giving out 5 or 6 players to one club thats suspect but yes Bertrands will be a great aquadition
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Not seen the lad play but sounds like a good move based on the positive vibes on here. He must be better than A. Luna.
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Aquadition. Isn't that what they do in Guantànamo Bay?
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Some tactical options on Lee Ryan Bertrand (topical)
Now we can release benno as an attacking left sider unless we utilise him on right but defo put him in midfield.
Could and should be played as left side middle Bertrand could dovetail (i like this word) with benno or luna on left flank
oh actually the other thing is i read at least some poster on transfer thread about Chelsea loaning players out well we are another feeder so what are people saying now!! if you made point of giving out 5 or 6 players to one club thats suspect but yes Bertrands will be a great aquadition
can some please decipher this for me.....I struggle with gibberish.
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I've been saying for a long time that Villa should flash the plastic and bring in Bertrand.
Used to play his record on the juke box at the Buccaneer in Streetly when a certain young Villa player came in! Or was that Jilted John who sang it?
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The Walker deal is often cited as an example of the flaws in the loan system.
But despite Redknobb's arguments to the contrary, I do seem to recall Walker saying he'd be happy to stay if the two clubs could agree a deal, about a month after joining us.
The only problem was he was so outstanding for us that he made the England squad, and that was that.
Prior to that, he had Corluka, Hutton and Naughton ahead of him in the pecking order, all featured more regularly than he did at Tottingham.
I guess the point is we don't want to be developing other clubs players. Whilst even in the short-term he looks like an upgrade on Luna and Bennett, I hope the deal is with a view to a permanent move in the summer.
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I am sure four or five defeats would put us in the mire. Four or five wins would put us well in the mix for a top 8 finish.
The result will likely be something in between, much as it has been all season.
Not without changes it won't.
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I am sure four or five defeats would put us in the mire. Four or five wins would put us well in the mix for a top 8 finish.
The result will likely be something in between, much as it has been all season.
Not without changes it won't.
I don't understand that. We have played everybody and we're 11th.
I agree that bringing in more quality is going to help, that is obvious, but I don't understand the perception that we're almost adrift... in 11th place.
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Good loan signing, and all that, but how much does he weigh?
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solid if unspectacular and importantly immediately into the first XI. A back four of Lowton, Vlaar, Clark and Bertrand is a step up to that containing Baker and Luna.
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If he is any good, you know he will be out for the season come 8pm tomorrow.
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I am sure four or five defeats would put us in the mire. Four or five wins would put us well in the mix for a top 8 finish.
The result will likely be something in between, much as it has been all season.
Not without changes it won't.
I don't understand that. We have played everybody and we're 11th.
I agree that bringing in more quality is going to help, that is obvious, but I don't understand the perception that we're almost adrift... in 11th place.
Forget the 11th place. We have been playing crap. You wouldn't put your money on a horse in bad form. Even the Club know we have been poor so you won't upset anyone by saying so.
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If he is any good, you know he will be out for the season come 8pm tomorrow.
don't ;(
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I am sure four or five defeats would put us in the mire. Four or five wins would put us well in the mix for a top 8 finish.
The result will likely be something in between, much as it has been all season.
Not without changes it won't.
I don't understand that. We have played everybody and we're 11th.
I agree that bringing in more quality is going to help, that is obvious, but I don't understand the perception that we're almost adrift... in 11th place.
I agree. There is also a decent chance that we will still be 11th before we kick off against Everton in a couple of weeks. The teams at the bottom don't all win two on trot at the same time. They average less than a point a game. Albion,West Ham,Fulham,Hull,Norwich and Southampton we've to play them all at home and only one of them beat us away.
No need to panic yet.
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I've been saying for a long time that Villa should flash the plastic and bring in Bertrand.
Used to play his record on the juke box at the Buccaneer in Streetly when a certain young Villa player came in! Or was that Jilted John who sang it?
Let's hope Lambert does say to himself "ça plein pour moi"
Yes I know the official words are Ca plane por moi - which basically means he is feeling good not full!
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If Bertrand goes back to Chelsea, becomes their first choice left back and makes the England squad for the World Cup, then he will have my blessing.
Because we will still be in the Premier League.
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Good move on our behalf I think.
How long before we ruin his confidence?
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Good deal.
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This is much more like it.
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I am sure four or five defeats would put us in the mire. Four or five wins would put us well in the mix for a top 8 finish.
The result will likely be something in between, much as it has been all season.
Not without changes it won't.
I don't understand that. We have played everybody and we're 11th.
I agree that bringing in more quality is going to help, that is obvious, but I don't understand the perception that we're almost adrift... in 11th place.
Forget the 11th place. We have been playing crap. You wouldn't put your money on a horse in bad form. Even the Club know we have been poor so you won't upset anyone by saying so.
If we're so crap, what does it say about the sides below us? They're even poorer than us.
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Good deal for us, he will immediately strengthen the first team if he takes over from Moon.
Also this hasn't been mentioned in the press prior to him signing so you never know who else is about to sign. :)
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Tarra Joe....
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Was Adam Drury not available?
I'm kidding. It seems like a good signing, although I haven't seen too much of him.
Midfielders now please!
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Good deal for us, he will immediately strengthen the first team if he takes over from Moon.
Also this hasn't been mentioned in the press prior to him signing so you never know who else is about to sign. :)
Very true. More of the same quality would be very welcome.
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I am sure four or five defeats would put us in the mire. Four or five wins would put us well in the mix for a top 8 finish.
The result will likely be something in between, much as it has been all season.
Not without changes it won't.
I don't understand that. We have played everybody and we're 11th.
I agree that bringing in more quality is going to help, that is obvious, but I don't understand the perception that we're almost adrift... in 11th place.
Forget the 11th place. We have been playing crap. You wouldn't put your money on a horse in bad form. Even the Club know we have been poor so you won't upset anyone by saying so.
If we're so crap, what does it say about the sides below us? They're even poorer than us.
Do you not accept that we have been playing crap?
Why else do we get booed off?
I don't care about those below us. Maybe they are poor but our current performances are bad.
If we change the team and improve then great, but our present form (not overall statistics) is that of a side worthy of relegation. You have to look after yourselves in this game and not keep looking over your shoulder.
If this is the last time that I have to say that we are crap, I will be delighted. All the people that I talk to seem to think the same as me, funnily enough.
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I am sure four or five defeats would put us in the mire. Four or five wins would put us well in the mix for a top 8 finish.
The result will likely be something in between, much as it has been all season.
Not without changes it won't.
I don't understand that. We have played everybody and we're 11th.
I agree that bringing in more quality is going to help, that is obvious, but I don't understand the perception that we're almost adrift... in 11th place.
Forget the 11th place. We have been playing crap. You wouldn't put your money on a horse in bad form. Even the Club know we have been poor so you won't upset anyone by saying so.
Forget the 11th place? That's just daft, sorry. You're taking the glass half empty thing to the extreme. Stop panicking.
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I am sure four or five defeats would put us in the mire. Four or five wins would put us well in the mix for a top 8 finish.
The result will likely be something in between, much as it has been all season.
Not without changes it won't.
I don't understand that. We have played everybody and we're 11th.
I agree that bringing in more quality is going to help, that is obvious, but I don't understand the perception that we're almost adrift... in 11th place.
Forget the 11th place. We have been playing crap. You wouldn't put your money on a horse in bad form. Even the Club know we have been poor so you won't upset anyone by saying so.
If we're so crap, what does it say about the sides below us? They're even poorer than us.
No - we're in a crapness class all of our own but have been really lucky. The teams below us have all just been unlucky. Every week for half a season. All nine of them.
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Also this hasn't been mentioned in the press prior to him signing so you never know who else is about to sign. :)
This is it. Bertrand was training with us this morning so it's possible we've been in talks with Chelsea for a while. Links don't always mean anything really do they?
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I am sure four or five defeats would put us in the mire. Four or five wins would put us well in the mix for a top 8 finish.
The result will likely be something in between, much as it has been all season.
Not without changes it won't.
I don't understand that. We have played everybody and we're 11th.
I agree that bringing in more quality is going to help, that is obvious, but I don't understand the perception that we're almost adrift... in 11th place.
Forget the 11th place. We have been playing crap. You wouldn't put your money on a horse in bad form. Even the Club know we have been poor so you won't upset anyone by saying so.
If we're so crap, what does it say about the sides below us? They're even poorer than us.
No - we're in a crapness class all of our own but have been really lucky. The teams below us have all just been unlucky. Every week for half a season. All nine of them.
This is the Ryan Bertand topic still isn't it?
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Slightly annoying to be buffing another gem for one of the 'big boys', but then again in January loan signings are the way to go. Good player too. Credit to Lambert and/or Faulkner.
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Good stuff. Now where's the bloody midfielder we so desperately need?
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chelsea want Southamptons Ryan Shaw for £30 mil so made sense that Berti signed with us
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chelsea want Southamptons Ryan Shaw for £30 mil so made sense that Berti signed with us
You could have put Rick, it would have been better.
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Slightly annoying to be buffing another gem for one of the 'big boys', but then again in January loan signings are the way to go. Good player too. Credit to Lambert and/or Faulkner.
If we were buffing Lukaku would it be any different? Or with Liverpool with Moses? It's the system and we should use it to our advantage
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A Chelsea season-ticket-holding colleague has just described him as "good, but not very adventurous" to me. "Likes to pass sideways" apparently. My response was that if he likes to pass to a player in the same shirt he'll do, regardless.
Coffee spilling moment, haha.
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Not reading the whole thread, so not sure if it's being answered but how many loans signings can you have?
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Not reading the whole thread, so not sure if it's being answered but how many loans signings can you have?
4 with a maximum of 2 from the premier league, I'm pretty sure that's right unless they changed it in the summer.
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I suppose we all better stop slagging off Chelsea for how many players they have out on loan now.
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I suppose we all better stop slagging off Chelsea for how many players they have out on loan now.
Yes but that bloody Manc City
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Slightly annoying to be buffing another gem for one of the 'big boys', but then again in January loan signings are the way to go. Good player too. Credit to Lambert and/or Faulkner.
If we were buffing Lukaku would it be any different? Or with Liverpool with Moses?
Or United with Zaha? Cue jokes about United no longer one of the big boys.
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Will he be cup tied?
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Will he be cup tied?
I presume this is a joke
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Will he be cup tied?
I presume this is a joke
:)
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Very pleased with this Bertrand rustle!
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For those interested, here are all the players Chelsea have out on loan:
Romeu at Valencia
Moses at Liverpool
Lukaku at Everton
Marin at Sevilla
Piazon at Vitesse
Bertrand at Villa
Van Aanholt at Vitesse
Courtois at Atletico
Wallace at Inter
Traore at Vitesse
Chalobah at Boro
Omeruo at Boro
Walker at Colchester
Kane at Blackburn
Cuevas at Vitesse
Davila at Cordoba
T Hazard at Zulte
Saville at Brentford
Lalkovic at Walsall
Bamford at Derby
Pirez at Leganes
Perica at NEC Breda
Atsu at Vitesse
You could make a pretty good squad from that selection!
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If it keeps us in the Division (not by the skin of our teeth) and sets the tone for summer acquisitions then it will be a result for me. With the midfield still to be strengthened, this window, we must hope to see a happier and vibrant Villa Park from now on. That must be our immediate aim.
We're level on points with Hull - do you think they've signed Long and Jelavic to keep them in the division?
After this month it will be too late if we do nothing now. Four or five defeats on the trot will put us well in the mire. That is the way we were heading. I don't what Hull's plans are, or how they have been playing, but I bet they have been better than us. How could they be worse on our current form?
Only marginally:-
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matchday/form-guide.html
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For those interested, here are all the players Chelsea have out on loan:
You could make a pretty good squad from that selection!
A Chelsea Loanee XI could beat our first team comfortably quite frankly.
Good to hear Ryan saying the right things though (courtesy of F365):
'It's Always Been A Dream Of Mine' #2
"Whenever I've played for Chelsea here at Villa Park the fans have been fantastic and have always created a great atmosphere." Ryan Bertrand expresses his delight at moving to Aston Villa.
We'll leave you to guess the number of times Ryan Bertrand has played for Chelsea at Villa Park in front of Villa fans.
Yep, that's right, none. Zilch. Zip. Zero.
At least he's trying- 'It's Always Been A Dream Of Mine #1' was Jelavic replying 'Because it was the only concrete offer' when asked why he decided to join Hull.
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P.S. good signing.
Given his track record I would be very concerned as a left-back if Lambert tried to sign me however...
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For those interested, here are all the players Chelsea have out on loan:
Romeu at Valencia
Moses at Liverpool
Lukaku at Everton
Marin at Sevilla
Piazon at Vitesse
Bertrand at Villa
Van Aanholt at Vitesse
Courtois at Atletico
Wallace at Inter
Traore at Vitesse
Chalobah at Boro
Omeruo at Boro
Walker at Colchester
Kane at Blackburn
Cuevas at Vitesse
Davila at Cordoba
T Hazard at Zulte
Saville at Brentford
Lalkovic at Walsall
Bamford at Derby
Pirez at Leganes
Perica at NEC Breda
Atsu at Vitesse
You could make a pretty good squad from that selection!
Don't forget josh mceachran at Watford too.
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Don't forget josh mceachran at Watford too.
His loan has finished and he's back at Chelsea now, but chances are he'll be back out soon. Another good young player with potential.
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Don't forget josh mceachran at Watford too.
His loan has finished and he's back at Chelsea now, but chances are he'll be back out soon. Another good young player with potential.
Indeed, quite amazing that Chelsea have over 20 players on loan - I didn't realise their pool of players was so large.
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I just asked my Chelsea supporting mate about this and he was able to name about 85% and the clubs they played for, pretty impressive actually considering I give him loads of crap for being a plastic fan.
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Heard the news just before I went out. Haven't read the thread but I think this is a very good loan signing for the club. If he is as good as Kyle Walker was I for one will be very pleased.
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Good loan. Welcome Ryan. How long is his contract at Chelsea?
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I just wish we had an option to buy him in the summer, rather than preparing him to be Chelsea' s 1st choice full back next season like we did for spurs with Walker . However, beggars can't be choosers and it's an area that needed strengthening so to do it without blowing out budget is a good move.
Just need a bit of experience and guile in central midfield and the season could turn out quite well.
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If it keeps us in the Division (not by the skin of our teeth) and sets the tone for summer acquisitions then it will be a result for me. With the midfield still to be strengthened, this window, we must hope to see a happier and vibrant Villa Park from now on. That must be our immediate aim.
We're level on points with Hull - do you think they've signed Long and Jelavic to keep them in the division?
After this month it will be too late if we do nothing now. Four or five defeats on the trot will put us well in the mire. That is the way we were heading. I don't what Hull's plans are, or how they have been playing, but I bet they have been better than us. How could they be worse on our current form?
Only marginally:-
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matchday/form-guide.html
I was going on gut feel but interesting to see those stats.
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Good signing. Guessing he'll be straight into the team tomorrow too.
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Good signing. Guessing he'll be straight into the team tomorrow too.
Given so little time to train with the team, I'd expect him to be on the bench.
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I'd hope he starts, it's not like Luna has been putting in stellar performances and been in complete sync with the rest of the defence.
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Did he play midfield in the Champions League final?
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Did he play midfield in the Champions League final?
Yes. He played ahead of Ashley Cole and they both did a very solid job of keeping Robben quiet.
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Good signing. Guessing he'll be straight into the team tomorrow too.
Given so little time to train with the team, I'd expect him to be on the bench.
It will be a pity if he is. I hope he is straight in, also Holt.
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Lambert mentioned Bennett is now available to play as well. Bennett at LB with Bertrand ahead of him wouldnt surprise me.
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At last a full back that can overlap and add something to our attack and is comfortable on the ball, if only we could clone john gidman
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Good signing. Guessing he'll be straight into the team tomorrow too.
Given so little time to train with the team, I'd expect him to be on the bench.
with Baker out I would expect him straight in. Luna has had all of the training and it hasn't helped him. I'm sure Bertrand has kept fit at Chelsea.
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Lambert mentioned Bennett is now available to play as well. Bennett at LB with Bertrand ahead of him wouldnt surprise me.
Definitely the other way around. Bertrand is several levels ahead as a defender.
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Wonder if Bennett will be loaned out now.
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As other people have said Lambert probably knew a while back that he had dropped a bollock signing Luna and has acted quickly to fix that in the window, good to see posters are happy about this new player after the meltdown on here over Holt arriving which I didnt quite understand.
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At last a full back that can overlap and add something to our attack and is comfortable on the ball, if only we could clone john gidman
John Gidman, what a player he was, one of my all time favourites.
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As other people have said Lambert probably knew a while back that he had dropped a bollock signing Luna and has acted quickly to fix that in the window, good to see posters are happy about this new player after the meltdown on here over Holt arriving which I didnt quite understand.
I am sure Luna will come good once he has adapted to the Premier league, and no i am not joking.
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Just heard about this. Decent signing I think and good luck to him.
Has anyone suggested the nickname "Plastic" for him yet? If not, I will.
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For those interested, here are all the players Chelsea have out on loan:
You could make a pretty good squad from that selection!
A Chelsea Loanee XI could beat our first team comfortably quite frankly.
Good to hear Ryan saying the right things though (courtesy of F365):
'It's Always Been A Dream Of Mine' #2
"Whenever I've played for Chelsea here at Villa Park the fans have been fantastic and have always created a great atmosphere." Ryan Bertrand expresses his delight at moving to Aston Villa.
We'll leave you to guess the number of times Ryan Bertrand has played for Chelsea at Villa Park in front of Villa fans.
Yep, that's right, none. Zilch. Zip. Zero.
At least he's trying- 'It's Always Been A Dream Of Mine #1' was Jelavic replying 'Because it was the only concrete offer' when asked why he decided to join Hull.
on the bench counts as playing doesnt it - he might have been playing candy crush on his phone
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As other people have said Lambert probably knew a while back that he had dropped a bollock signing Luna and has acted quickly to fix that in the window, good to see posters are happy about this new player after the meltdown on here over Holt arriving which I didnt quite understand.
I am sure Luna will come good once he has adapted to the Premier league, and no i am not joking.
I dont think Luna will come good at this level but I hope I am wrong.
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Welcome Ryan good addition
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Just heard about this. Decent signing I think and good luck to him.
Has anyone suggested the nickname "Plastic" for him yet? If not, I will.
Still trying to work this out.
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ca plane pour moi
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Just heard about this. Decent signing I think and good luck to him.
Has anyone suggested the nickname "Plastic" for him yet? If not, I will.
Still trying to work this out.
Plastic Bertrand Leeg. He was a pop star. Had one hit.
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Who?
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Good signing,will look a lot more solid with him in at left back. Any chance of a permanent in the summer?
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Just heard about this. Decent signing I think and good luck to him.
Has anyone suggested the nickname "Plastic" for him yet? If not, I will.
Still trying to work this out.
This piece from wiki explains the nickname -
Bertrand joined Norwich City on loan for the rest of the 2007–08 season.[7] He put in a number of impressive displays playing at both left full back and on the left wing, and admitted he would welcome a longer stay with the club. Bertrand became popular with the Carrow Road crowd earning him the nickname 'Plastic' in reference to the Belgian singer Plastic Bertrand.[8] On 4 July 2008, he rejoined the club on loan until January 2009
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Just heard about this. Decent signing I think and good luck to him.
Has anyone suggested the nickname "Plastic" for him yet? If not, I will.
Still trying to work this out.
You need to have been into late 70s punk. Plastic Bertrand was a French one hit wonder.
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Ah. I wondered what that was all about.
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Plastic Bertrand, he sang "Ça pleine pour moi".
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THAT was a hit?
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Belgian!
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So Norwich fans already called him "Plastic" before me? Bunch of inbred bastards.
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Just heard about this. Decent signing I think and good luck to him.
Has anyone suggested the nickname "Plastic" for him yet? If not, I will.
Still trying to work this out.
You need to have been into late 70s punk. Plastic Bertrand was a French one hit wonder.
Belgian.
Now we have plastic and concrete in our defence lets hope we can build something secure.
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For those interested, here are all the players Chelsea have out on loan:
You could make a pretty good squad from that selection!
A Chelsea Loanee XI could beat our first team comfortably quite frankly.
Good to hear Ryan saying the right things though (courtesy of F365):
'It's Always Been A Dream Of Mine' #2
"Whenever I've played for Chelsea here at Villa Park the fans have been fantastic and have always created a great atmosphere." Ryan Bertrand expresses his delight at moving to Aston Villa.
We'll leave you to guess the number of times Ryan Bertrand has played for Chelsea at Villa Park in front of Villa fans.
Yep, that's right, none. Zilch. Zip. Zero.
At least he's trying- 'It's Always Been A Dream Of Mine #1' was Jelavic replying 'Because it was the only concrete offer' when asked why he decided to join Hull.
on the bench counts as playing doesnt it - he might have been playing candy crush on his phone
He played against us for Reading IIRC, in the FA Cup. He was one of their better performers too. I also watched him play against Liverpool for Reading and he was impressive. That was a long time ago of course, but I think getting some action at Chelsea has done him good since then. He's not quite up to their standards yet, but he'll stand out for us I think.
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At last a full back that can overlap and add something to our attack and is comfortable on the ball, if only we could clone john gidman
John Gidman, what a player he was, one of my all time favourites.
2nd best right back during my Villa days - No. 1 has to be Kenny Swain.
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At last a full back that can overlap and add something to our attack and is comfortable on the ball, if only we could clone john gidman
John Gidman, what a player he was, one of my all time favourites.
2nd best right back during my Villa days - No. 1 has to be Kenny Swain.
Gidman ahead of swain for me.
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Just heard about this. Decent signing I think and good luck to him.
Has anyone suggested the nickname "Plastic" for him yet? If not, I will.
Still trying to work this out.
You need to have been into late 70s punk. Plastic Bertrand was a French one hit wonder.
Belgian.
Now we have plastic and concrete in our defence lets hope we can build something secure.
Plastic Bertrand to replace Porcelain Baker. Sounds like an upgrade to me.
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Gidman best ever right back Staunton best ever leftback in my time.
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Gidman best ever right back Staunton best ever leftback in my time.
Agree with both, welcome Ryan
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Welcome to Aston Villa Ryan. May this be a fruitful relationship for both however long it lasts.
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You'd have to think if he plays well and likes it here, a deal will be done for 3-4m. Given he's figured just 3 times this season, he clearly has no future there.
Can't say when I've seen him he's been much more than average but that's an improvement from what we've at Left back over the last few seasons!
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Gidman best ever right back Staunton best ever leftback in my time.
Agree with both, welcome Ryan
Welcome Ryan.
Too young to remember Gidman (for us) but agree with Satunton.
We had a very good centre back (when he joined) play right back a lot - Earl Barrett. What a waste.
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Welcome Ryan. I hope you do well and next season sign up for us and play every week rather than deciding to not even sit on the bench at Chelsea.
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THAT was a hit?
'THAT' was quite brilliant.
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Quote from: perry_barr_pet on Today at 05:45:29 PM
At last a full back that can overlap and add something to our attack and is comfortable on the ball, if only we could clone john gidman
John Gidman, what a player he was, one of my all time favourites.
2nd best right back during my Villa days - No. 1 has to be Kenny Swain.
Kenny swain was pure class but for sheer excitement gidman was the man,
Swain was like a night at the royal Albert hall with your wife, gidman was like watching the jersey boys at the theatre with all your mates singing and dancing.
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At last a full back that can overlap and add something to our attack and is comfortable on the ball, if only we could clone john gidman
I think John Goodman would make the squad at present
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At last a full back that can overlap and add something to our attack and is comfortable on the ball, if only we could clone john gidman
I think John Goodman would make the squad at present
Isn't he on loan from Wigan?
Sorry, cheap shot, couldn't resist.
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Roseanne Barr not available in this window
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Welcome Ryan, all the best. Good signing, this could work well with a fit Joey Bennett. I'd like to see these two on the left hand side.
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At last a full back that can overlap and add something to our attack and is comfortable on the ball, if only we could clone john gidman
John Gidman, what a player he was, one of my all time favourites.
2nd best right back during my Villa days - No. 1 has to be Kenny Swain.
Much as I liked KennySwain, John Gidman was my favourite Villa right back, so great to watch and a disgrace he only got the one England cap where he was superb
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Quote from: perry_barr_pet on Today at 05:45:29 PM
At last a full back that can overlap and add something to our attack and is comfortable on the ball, if only we could clone john gidman
John Gidman, what a player he was, one of my all time favourites.
2nd best right back during my Villa days - No. 1 has to be Kenny Swain.
Kenny swain was pure class but for sheer excitement gidman was the man,
Swain was like a night at the royal Albert hall with your wife, gidman was like watching the jersey boys at the theatre with all your mates singing and dancing.
Excellent analysis
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Kenny swain was pure class but for sheer excitement gidman was the man,
Swain was like a night at the royal Albert hall with your wife, gidman was like watching the jersey boys at the theatre with all your mates singing and dancing.
Excellent analysis
Magnificently camp, too.
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Just saw this from 'The Shed End' forum
"Happy for Bertrand, happy its not Liverpool, but he is a better standard than Aston Villa."
Who the fuck do they think they are, short of lottery winners, to think their cast offs deserve better than us. If I ever needed any more reason to hate that club and/or their fans.
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Just saw this from 'The Shed End' forum
"Happy for Bertrand, happy its not Liverpool, but he is a better standard than Aston Villa."
Who the fuck do they think they are, short of lottery winners, to think their cast offs deserve better than us. If I ever needed any more reason to hate that club and/or their fans.
I read a few of their forums about Bertrand this morning and saw lots of that.
The ******.
They're a club with absolute no redeeming features. None. I hate Man United but I can think of the odd positive about them, they're away support is impressive, they've stuck with one manager to build a dynasty, they've managed to keep on winning despite shit owners.
Liverpool, who i've hated even longer than Man United, I can think of the odd redeeming feature for them, too.
Chelsea, though? Not one single thing, absolutely nothing, there is not a single reason to respect, like or accept Chelsea. Everything about them is revolting.
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Kenny swain was pure class but for sheer excitement gidman was the man,
Swain was like a night at the royal Albert hall with your wife, gidman was like watching the jersey boys at the theatre with all your mates singing and dancing.
Excellent analysis
Magnificently camp, too.
ooohahhh
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good signing to be fair. loan isnt ideal but we have a gaping hole on the left side of our defence for years really. bertrand wont have to be great to be a lot better than luna or bennett.
might take him a few game to get up to speed as he hasnt played much this season. player needs the move badly for his career and we had an emergency at left back.
to be honest id say bennett and luna's days are numbered at villa park.
full backs have long been a problem position. thought luke young when he first came was very good at right back but his form fell away when he moved to left back. to be fair kyle walker was excellent when he was with us. scored a cracking goal in his first game, no fear whatsoever surprised he hasnt really progressed as much as I thought he would.
left back. bouma was solid rather than spectacular under MON. preferred staunton when we played three centre halves. wright was solid enough but probably stayed on a year or so too long.
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brontebilly, what exactly is Bennett's injury? Heis better than Luna IMHO
I liked Bouma, was a top defender and not bad going forward, if not spectacular.
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brontebilly, what exactly is Bennett's injury? Heis better than Luna IMHO
I liked Bouma, was a top defender and not bad going forward, if not spectacular.
some back injury I think, been struggling all season with it.
bennett showed a bit of promise towards the end of last season but that game against Norwich he could have relegated us with his performance. needs to seriously fill out if he wants to play at the top division, seemed like a lost kid for most of last season lets be honest.
and yeah id still prefer him to luna who is one of the worst players ive seen in a villa shirt. even warnock at his worst would be better than him.
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Jet boy jet girl.
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Welcome Ryan
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@JamesNursey: Told no provision yet for #AVFC to sign Ryan Bertrand permanently in the summer but of course always poss if works for all parties in future
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Jet boy jet girl.
Jet boys fly, jet boys gone, jet boy stole my baby.
Given the injury problems we've had with defenders this season it seems a sensible signing. It would be nice to think we might be able to sign him if things go well but I suspect he'll have other offers to consider if Chelsea decide to sell.
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While we're name checking decent full backs, let's not forget Mark Delaney.
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Luna started the season brightly, he wouldn't be the first overseas player to have a bad spell in his first year. He may well be better next year. Admittedly this bad spell has gone on a very long time and has been pretty awful.
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At last a full back that can overlap and add something to our attack and is comfortable on the ball, if only we could clone john gidman
John Gidman, what a player he was, one of my all time favourites.
2nd best right back during my Villa days - No. 1 has to be Kenny Swain.
Much as I liked KennySwain, John Gidman was my favourite Villa right back, so great to watch and a disgrace he only got the one England cap where he was superb
Personally I would go for John Robson. Probably the best I've seen so far. I know Gidman replaced him and Robson switched to the left but he was just an awesome defender.
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The 89/90 season with Price at RB and Gage at Lb, they were both on top of their game. Use to really like Gage, never let us down wherever he played.
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Very good signing, albeit on loan. I can see Bennett going back to Boro to be honest.
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Just saw this from 'The Shed End' forum
"Happy for Bertrand, happy its not Liverpool, but he is a better standard than Aston Villa."
Who the fuck do they think they are, short of lottery winners, to think their cast offs deserve better than us. If I ever needed any more reason to hate that club and/or their fans.
I read a few of their forums about Bertrand this morning and saw lots of that.
The c***s.
They're a club with absolute no redeeming features. None. I hate Man United but I can think of the odd positive about them, they're away support is impressive, they've stuck with one manager to build a dynasty, they've managed to keep on winning despite shit owners.
Liverpool, who i've hated even longer than Man United, I can think of the odd redeeming feature for them, too.
Chelsea, though? Not one single thing, absolutely nothing, there is not a single reason to respect, like or accept Chelsea. Everything about them is revolting.
Agree with every single word
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While we're name checking decent full backs, let's not forget Mark Delaney.
Also Mick Wright and Keith Bradley.
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always thought Earl Barrett was a pretty good
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As a record club signing at the time (I think?) I guess he ought to have been. Solid and unspectacular from what I remember as a bairn.
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always thought Earl Barrett was a pretty good
Agree he was a more than decent full back but could have been an even better centre half.
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The 89/90 season with Price at RB and Gage at Lb, they were both on top of their game. Use to really like Gage, never let us down wherever he played.
I'm confused I thought it was mainly Stuart Gray at Left (Wing) Back. Can't remember if Gage played much that season.
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As a record club signing at the time (I think?) I guess he ought to have been. Solid and unspectacular from what I remember as a bairn.
I like your 'location', Eamonn.
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The 89/90 season with Price at RB and Gage at Lb, they were both on top of their game. Use to really like Gage, never let us down wherever he played.
I'm confused I thought it was mainly Stuart Gray at Left (Wing) Back. Can't remember if Gage played much that season.
Gage played 115 times in the time he was at the Villa, not sure which seasons he made most appearances though.
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I think gage played more than gray
But let's not get over the top. That group of players had one excellent year. The rest of their careers they were division two or bottom four division one players. Big Ron ditched that lot pretty sharpish
There's no way those players were anywhere near the class of Delaney, Barrett, Staunton or wright.
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Welcome Plastic. Enjoy your time at the greatest club on earth.
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Encouraging start. Impressed by how well he defended when Sterling was one on one with him. I really hope he does well and sees us as a good option for regular PL football at a big club which he clearly needs at his age.
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I hope chelsea sign shaw so we can get this guy,looked a lot better team with him in it.
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We definitely look more solid at the back with Bertrand playing.
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Solid start from both Bertrand and holt , both contributed to a very good team display.
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Can we buy him?
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Bertrand looked very decent today. Already a huge step up from Luna
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Bertrand looked very decent today. Already a huge step up from Luna
True Luna looked like he was treading water up against Sterling and he had only just come on!!
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Did well today and nice tackle and pass to Gabby for our 1st goal.
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I thought he had a brilliant debut and I hope we can sign him up.
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Hopefully Chelsea get Shaw now.
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Hopefully Chelsea get Shaw now.
Yeah he looked a step up from our other left back options. Could do with a similar type of player at RB as well.
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I just hope he is not another Kyle Walker, namely a player we bring on leaps and bounds only to have to hand him back.
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... or another Jenas who gets injured and we cough for his wages. Trouble is, we have always been beset by injuries.
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Shearer clearly still bitter about us relegating them in 2009. He forcibly argued it was a pen.
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Wrong thread sorry.
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Looked good.
Can we keep him dad?
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Very good start, shame it's a loan, I fear transfer fees and wages might get in the way of us signing him. I'm just goin to enjoy him for now
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He's not going to get in the Chelsea side. But he'd get in the Liverpool team so I wouldn't be surprised to see him going somewhere like that
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I really hope we can sign him permanently he excellent and solidified our team.
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Looking at some Liverpool forums. People are flipping out about their leftback, and Rogers for signing him, and Rogers for not signing Bertrand. In fact, if you replaced 'Cissokho' with 'Luna' it would be remarkably similar to things people say here ;D
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I think it's down to tempo. Playing with a bit of intent and using the natural physically ability of endless running and pace we have in the side, as we did yesterday, can really set a tone.
If we start the game against the Pride of the Midlands by working the channels, getting in behind them with Gabby's pace, moving the ball forwards and pressing the life out of them, then it's very difficult to respond and play your own game.
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Looking at some Liverpool forums. People are flipping out about their leftback, and Rogers for signing him, and Rogers for not signing Bertrand. In fact, if you replaced 'Cissokho' with 'Luna' it would be remarkably similar to things people say here ;D
Cissokho sounds better than Luna in a crackly Scouse accent.
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Looking at some Liverpool forums. People are flipping out about their leftback, and Rogers for signing him, and Rogers for not signing Bertrand. In fact, if you replaced 'Cissokho' with 'Luna' it would be remarkably similar to things people say here ;D
Cissokho sounds better than Luna in a crackly Scouse accent.
I reckon you would get a good shower when they say his name. Errggh.
Anyhow, we have 6 months to sell the Villa to Bertie. No way will he be at Chelsea in the first team. If Jose fancied him, he would be in now, as he clearly does not fancy Cole any more.
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Yes, he looks very good, and we need to sort it this time rather than it all ending in disappointment like with Walker. I struggle to see the point otherwise, not a fan of temporary fixes at all.
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Looking at some Liverpool forums. People are flipping out about their leftback, and Rogers for signing him, and Rogers for not signing Bertrand. In fact, if you replaced 'Cissokho' with 'Luna' it would be remarkably similar to things people say here ;D
Cissokho sounds better than Luna in a crackly Scouse accent.
I reckon you would get a good shower when they say his name. Errggh.
Anyhow, we have 6 months to sell the Villa to Lambert. No way will he be at Chelsea in the first team. If Jose fancied him, he would be in now, as he clearly does not fancy Cole any more.
I'd hope the Villa was already sold to Lambert. ;-)
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Would he get in the Liverpool team? Is he better than Jose Enrique when he gets back and is fully fit?
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Would Chelsea sell to a rival though? A club like Liverpool or Spurs may indeed look at him. But it's not as if Chelsea need the money, so they can just tell them to get facked.
We on the other hand are a long way short of being a rival to them, as things stand. So they might be happier to do a permanent deal with someone like us or Everton (if Baines departs) or Newcastle.
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Would Chelsea sell to a rival though? A club like Liverpool or Spurs may indeed look at him. But it's not as if Chelsea need the money, so they can just tell them to get facked.
We on the other hand are a long way short of being a rival to them, as things stand. So they might be happier to do a permanent deal with someone like us or Everton (if Baines departs) or Newcastle.
True. Especially if they insisted on a sell on deal too. Therefore if excels at Villa (or Newcastle etc) then Chelsea would be rewarded if he made a move to Liverpool/City etc.
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I think some are jumping the gun a little. He had a good game yesterday but we ought to appraise him over a few more games before talking of a permanent signing.
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I think some are jumping the gun a little. He had a good game yesterday but we ought to appraise him over a few more games before talking of a permanent signing.
What it reveals is how starved we have been at that position for quite a few years now. Freddie Bouma was at least two eternities ago.
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He is an excellent left back and we looked a far better team with him there. Composed on the ball andgood defending, long may it continue.
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Lets enjoy him while we got him. I still like and have hope for Bennett and hopefully he can learn from him.
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I think some are jumping the gun a little. He had a good game yesterday but we ought to appraise him over a few more games before talking of a permanent signing.
Yes this is true. We have a history of players who look great on their debuts/early games and then they decline badly.
You only have to look at our last left back to see this.
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I think some are jumping the gun a little. He had a good game yesterday but we ought to appraise him over a few more games before talking of a permanent signing.
Yes this is true. We have a history of players who look great on their debuts/early games and then they decline badly.
You only have to look at our last left back to see this.
That's a fair point, although in that example, Bertrand has at least got 50 odd top flight appearances under his belt elsewhere to back up his claims.
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I think he had a solid game last night and with his decent experience and good pace, I'm far happier with him there than Luna but let's not get carried away, it was a decent performance rather than a great one.
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I think he had a solid game last night and with his decent experience and good pace, I'm far happier with him there than Luna but let's not get carried away, it was a decent performance rather than a great one.
A decent performance on a consistent basis would be an upgrade on anyone we've had there since Bouma.
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I think he had a solid game last night and with his decent experience and good pace, I'm far happier with him there than Luna but let's not get carried away, it was a decent performance rather than a great one.
A decent performance on a consistent basis would be an upgrade on anyone we've had there since Bouma.
Agreed. I think he'll get better and better as the season goes on.
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Warnock was good when he first joined. Then he had a bad injury and never got back to his previous form.
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at least its not another signing from a european second league or off the bench from Chesterfield.
These are the sort of signings I prefer , yes still young enough but will plenty of premiership experience , been with top players and still a point to prove esp with England . I was expecting more like this since PL took over but he has got it wrong too many times , If hes staying , Lets hope hes learned from his transfer mistakes.
Now go and ask them about Mata ;)
selling cahill to bolton for the fee we got for him, to me, is the absolute worst piece of business we have done in the last few years. I rememebr scratching my head at the time and thinking: why? he's a decent player. Then seeing him kick on at Bolton and then chelsea, just reinforces the thinking of O'Neill being an absolute c**t, for quite a few reasons.
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Just saw this from 'The Shed End' forum
"Happy for Bertrand, happy its not Liverpool, but he is a better standard than Aston Villa."
Who the fuck do they think they are, short of lottery winners, to think their cast offs deserve better than us. If I ever needed any more reason to hate that club and/or their fans.
I read a few of their forums about Bertrand this morning and saw lots of that.
The c***s.
They're a club with absolute no redeeming features. None. I hate Man United but I can think of the odd positive about them, they're away support is impressive, they've stuck with one manager to build a dynasty, they've managed to keep on winning despite shit owners.
Liverpool, who i've hated even longer than Man United, I can think of the odd redeeming feature for them, too.
Chelsea, though? Not one single thing, absolutely nothing, there is not a single reason to respect, like or accept Chelsea. Everything about them is revolting.
blue shirts too....
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The one memory I have of the game, is him tracking Sterling, keeping tight, then making an excellent deft interception, turning and using Sterling's momentum to create a freekick. Very clever defending.
He screams solid to me.
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very good debut
now just bring your girlfriend down to VP good man
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:P
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DAMN !!!
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I think some are jumping the gun a little. He had a good game yesterday but we ought to appraise him over a few more games before talking of a permanent signing.
Yes this is true. We have a history of players who look great on their debuts/early games and then they decline badly.
You only have to look at our last left back to see this.
I remember thinking Carlton Cole was going to be brilliant.
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very good debut
now just bring your girlfriend down to VP good man
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:P
Wonder what attracted her to the Premiership footballer?
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I think some are jumping the gun a little. He had a good game yesterday but we ought to appraise him over a few more games before talking of a permanent signing.
Yes this is true. We have a history of players who look great on their debuts/early games and then they decline badly.
You only have to look at our last left back to see this.
I remember thinking Carlton Cole was going to be brilliant.
He was, for that first game against Southampton, and then it turned out it was just that Southampton were cack.
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I remember the game. I too strolled away impressed with Cole. I was also of a view that there was not a chance that Steve Wigley's Saints would survive.
I got one correct.
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I agree we shouldn't get carried away. But I don't recall Carlton cole playing in a champions league final. He's way better than luna or Bennett at least
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Just saw this from 'The Shed End' forum
"Happy for Bertrand, happy its not Liverpool, but he is a better standard than Aston Villa."
Who the fuck do they think they are, short of lottery winners, to think their cast offs deserve better than us. If I ever needed any more reason to hate that club and/or their fans.
I read a few of their forums about Bertrand this morning and saw lots of that.
The c***s.
They're a club with absolute no redeeming features. None. I hate Man United but I can think of the odd positive about them, they're away support is impressive, they've stuck with one manager to build a dynasty, they've managed to keep on winning despite shit owners.
Liverpool, who i've hated even longer than Man United, I can think of the odd redeeming feature for them, too.
Chelsea, though? Not one single thing, absolutely nothing, there is not a single reason to respect, like or accept Chelsea. Everything about them is revolting.
blue shirts too....
I feel exactly the same, Chavski are the most vile bunch of ****s in football.
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Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-ryan-bertrand-wont-6631746)
Ryan Bertrand: It’s important, first and foremost, that my performances are good enough.
Aston Villa: Ryan Bertrand won't rule out a permanent switch to Villa Park from Chelsea
Ryan Bertrand is refusing to rule out joining Villa permanently in the summer when his loan from Chelsea expires.
But manager Paul Lambert insists he is yet to discuss the left-back’s valuation with the Stamford Bridge club.
Bertrand is set for his home debut in tomorrow’s Villa Park derby against West Brom after an impressive bow in the draw at Liverpool.
The 24-year-old is at Villa until the end of the season after Ashley Cole and Cezar Azpilicueta blocked his first-team path at Chelsea.
He has just under two-and-a-half years left on his contract with Jose Mourinho’s team and Villa are not thought to have an option to buy written into his temporary deal.
But it is a situation all parties may be tempted to revisit in the summer, depending on how he gets on during the next four months.
Asked if he would be receptive to joining the claret and blues on a longer basis, Bertrand replied: “I’m just here to concentrate on each game as it comes and to get back playing regularly.
“I’ll leave all that stuff until the end of the season.
“You can’t rule anything out. It’s important, first and foremost, that my performances are good enough.
“I need to concentrate on each game.
“It was a frustrating start to the season so it was a bit of a release to get on the grass again.
“I’ve settled in quite easily. It’s fortunate, to be fair, because I know half the team through England at younger ages. It has been good.
“It was easy, a no-brainer. I’ve personally been impressed with Villa in recent years whenever I have seen them.
“They like to play, the manager is really positive, it is a club with a great history.
“It’s great to be involved in a derby for my first home game.’’
Lambert admits Bertrand “won’t come cheap” if Villa try to sign him permanently to challenge Joe Bennett and Antonio Luna for the left-back role.
“He’s only been here one game,” said Lambert.
“He’s Chelsea’s player and we’re thankful to them for letting him come here. What Ryan’s value is I haven’t a clue. He’s played in the biggest club competition and won it so he knows how to do it.
“That’s the main thing, the value of him. If you are buying him you’re not buying a novice, you’re buying someone who has won the European Cup and I’m pretty sure they won’t come cheap.”
Lambert insists giving Bertrand regular football and improving Villa’s left-back area is more important than worrying too much about the player’s long-term future just yet.
“I thought he came in and was excellent against Liverpool,” he said.
“He hadn’t played for a long time. I thought he was terrific. The lad’s played at the highest level in the game, won the biggest club competition going so he can handle big games.
“He’s been at a massive club at Chelsea, played with big players. I think for his own career, to play regular football, it’s been great. He’s fitted in great.
“There are not many people who have won the European Cup and find themselves in reserve football.”
Villa’s trip to mid-table rivals Manchester United at Old Trafford has been brought forward from 3pm to 12.45pm on Saturday, March 29, for live television coverage on BT Sport.
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How below the belt is that dig at Man Utd at the end, it's not even subtle, brilliant.
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"mid-table rivals Manchester United"
I laughed
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If he plays well and settles in it'd be good if he could stay permanently. I watched the press conference on pravda, and he seems like a fairly level headed and professional-sounding bloke, so you'd think he'd be the sort of player Lambert likes to have about.
Money, again, seems to be the stumbling block, plus even squad players at Chelsea are on enourmous wages, so chances are he'd have to make some kind of pay cut to come here (unless Lambert deems him worthy of an exception).
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Strange that Lambert has opted to talk up the potential value of the player, and play down any expectations of us signing him. To suggest that chelsea winning the champions league last year somehow catapults him into some higher price bracket seems strange.
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Strange that Lambert has opted to talk up the potential value of the player, and play down any expectations of us signing him. To suggest that chelsea winning the champions league last year somehow catapults him into some higher price bracket seems strange.
I couldn't see him costing any more than 5 mill to be honest. He's only played 56 games in all competitions for Chelsea, at 24 years of age and he's their current third choice left back.
We shall see anyway. Of course he might do well with us and Cashley's getting on a bit, so Jose may decide Bertrands worth a more substantial role next season, but honestly I think it's unlikely. They'll spend big on a replacement for Cole.
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Strange that Lambert has opted to talk up the potential value of the player, and play down any expectations of us signing him. To suggest that chelsea winning the champions league last year somehow catapults him into some higher price bracket seems strange.
I couldn't see him costing any more than 5 mill to be honest. He's only played 56 games in all competitions for Chelsea, at 24 years of age and he's their current third choice left back.
We shall see anyway. Of course he might do well with us and Cashley's getting on a bit, so Jose may decide Bertrands worth a more substantial role next season, but honestly I think it's unlikely. They'll spend big on a replacement for Cole.
Possibly this is Lambert's poker face where he wants to look uninterested.
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Chelsea haven't exactly been subtle in their approach for Shaw, I'm pretty sure that story was the catalyst for Bertrand coming to us and then mentioning that he'd be happy to join long term.
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For all the stick he may get at times, one thing I know has taken aback and impressed the powers that be in B6, is Lambert's bloody mindedness but, most particularly skill, in working transfer negotiations.
You might not always like the players or philosophy but, by buggery, he drives a hard bargain and generally wins.
Means nowt in the grand scheme of winning things but was fascinated to hear it.
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Yes, I just wish he wouldn't stick to his guns to the point we don't get the players we desperately need. Namely, the playmaker we've needed for several years.
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And a defensive midfielder with a bit of quality. Sylla works hard but is quite average.
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Pat Murphy mentioned on 5 Live that there is an option to buy him at the end of the loan and that Bertrand is open to the move.
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top player. Another very solid game tonight
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top player. Another very solid game tonight
Shows great composure on the ball.
Class.
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Looked quality tonight, very impressed. Let's see how good he is defensively one on one against the best wide players in the league but I like his pace going forward.
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He is different class from our own left backs. Cool calm and oh yes a sense of positioning and marking.
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Get this twat signed permanently. Now.
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Looks a quality player and looked head and shoulders above some of the others on show tonight. We used to have players like that!!
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He is different class from our own left backs. Cool calm and oh yes a sense of positioning and marking.
for me, signing someone like Bertrand represents the type of signing in the future for Lambert. He might not get more net cash to spend, but we will only need to buy 3 or 4 players every season as opposed to 10 with that money. Bertrand will cost 7m say, that net a Bennett or Luna leaving is a solid investment.
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He's played two games for us and we look loads better. If there's any possibility of making this permanent, Villa would be very foolish not to pursue it.
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I agree with all the comments, and this raises an uncomfortable question:
Does anybody think Lowton, Bennett and Luna will ever be as good?
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The difference between signing a player from Chelsea and one from the championship
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Him, Guzan, Vlaar, Delph and Benteke are real quality players. We just need to add around them.
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A £10m champs league winner is a long way from the players we will sign in the next few years...
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Him, Guzan, Vlaar, Delph and Benteke are real quality players. We just need to add around them.
I'd add in Gabby and on his day Weimann to that list. The core of our team with those 7 is really excellent. Just a shame we have to play liabilities like KEA and Sylla with them.
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I agree with all the comments, and this raises an uncomfortable question:
Does anybody think Lowton, Bennett and Luna will ever be as good?
Not in a million years to be brutally honest. I just think they're what you get for a mill or so. The latter two aren't Prem quality and probably never will be. Lowton isn't bad on the ball but for a fullback he's poor defensively and lacks pace. He could be retrained as a midfielder but even so, he'd then lack the physical presence for such a role. I don't think he'll be playing top flight football in a couple of years either.
If we sign a better right back in the summer and get Bertrand on a permanent, our backline looks good.
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Him, Guzan, Vlaar, Delph and Benteke are real quality players. We just need to add around them.
I'd add in Gabby and on his day Weimann to that list. The core of our team with those 7 is really excellent. Just a shame we have to play liabilities like KEA and Sylla with them.
Weimann looks a different player when he can play more centrally as his base position, and has more confidence. No problems with him. Gabby's still one of our best players too. We always look better with him in.
Our midfield is utter drek aside from Delph, so if we sort that out our ball retention, attack and defence should improve. A couple of good acquisitions will go a long way. We've got to be a bit more ambitious with our signings now though, more like Bertrand. We should conceivably be able to afford it. We've got rid of Ireland, and Hutton, Bent and Zogbia will soon follow. Albrighton and Gardner are both out of contract. They'll both be on good contracts I'd imagine, certainly Albrighton. He must be earning about 20 grand a week, around the level Fonz and Bannan were. And speaking of Fonzy, is his deal up this summer?
So we should have the budget in place to get better quality than our low budget punts.
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Him, Guzan, Vlaar, Delph and Benteke are real quality players. We just need to add around them.
I'd add in Gabby and on his day Weimann to that list. The core of our team with those 7 is really excellent. Just a shame we have to play liabilities like KEA and Sylla with them.
I was going to add Weimann, but other than tonight and last week, he's been poor. Hopefully this'll be a turnaround in fortunes for him this year. Completely forgot about Gabby, no idea why, I love him.
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Pat Murphy mentioned on 5 Live that there is an option to buy him at the end of the loan and that Bertrand is open to the move.
Sign him up now for 4m. Sell Luna back to spain for 1m and bennett back to boro for the same. Job done
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It's not that easy. I doub't we'll get a proven premier league full back of his class and experience for 4m. I imagine Chelsea will be starting at £10m
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Pat Murphy mentioned on 5 Live that there is an option to buy him at the end of the loan and that Bertrand is open to the move.
Sign him up now for 4m. Sell Luna back to spain for 1m and bennett back to boro for the same. Job done
And leave us with one left back? Yeah, great idea.
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Doubt we will be able to afford him, he won't be cheap.
And Ashley Cole is not getting any younger and much games too, Bertrand knows he has a chance of being Chelsea's first choice left-back.ﹰ
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I think a lot could depend on whether Chelsea sign Luke Shaw. If they do then Bertrand is still likley to be 3rd choice left back, even if Cole retires/leaves, as Mourinho also seems to prefer Azpilacuetta to Bertrand. Therefore I think they'd happily let him go.
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Just hope that Chelsea don't offer Bertrand as part of any deal for Luke Shaw.
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It's not that easy. I doub't we'll get a proven premier league full back of his class and experience for 4m. I imagine Chelsea will be starting at £10m
I doubt it for a third choice left back, I'd hope we could negotiate to around £5 million which would be money very well spent.
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Just hope that Chelsea don't offer Bertrand as part of any deal for Luke Shaw.
A very good point but one would assume that Bertrand would have some say in his own destination.....but he himself may fancy Southampton...up to us to make sure he falls in love with us whilst we have him.
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I reckon Bertrand will cost around 5-6 million. Ashley Cole won't be there too much longer but I think the Chelski prerogative will be to spend big on a replacement for Cashley. I don't think Chelsea could rightfully try and hold out for 10 million for him. He's coming up to 25 this year and hasn't played a great deal for them. He's a good player but he's not quite Chelsea level. If he stays with them he'll be permanently a 2nd or 3rd choice.
I would hope we'll get first option to buy him and given the high paying outgoings we've had this season, and will in the summer, I think it should be do-able. We don't have a great deal of money but lets not forget we've still spent reasonable amounts on players like Vlaar, Benteke and Kozak. I don't see Bertrand as being out of reach.
The Shaw thing is a good point though, it could be a snag but honestly, in the grand scheme of things I think them being above us is a temporary anomaly. If not this season, then next, I would expect us to be above Southampton. I also think Bertrand seems to be enjoying himself here.
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Just hope that Chelsea don't offer Bertrand as part of any deal for Luke Shaw.
If Pat Murphy is correct and there is a purchase clause then we have the right to exercise it before anyone else gets an opportunity? I imagine we are paying them a loan fee also so on top of some or all of his wages so that might come off the price of the player should we buy him outright. I would certainly hope that if nothing else he has gone a long way to prove what a solid permanent purchase he will be for the club.
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Pat Murphy mentioned on 5 Live that there is an option to buy him at the end of the loan and that Bertrand is open to the move.
On Twitter he has said that a move at the end of the season is an option, which is not quite the same thing. Did he say something more specific on the radio?
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Pat Murphy mentioned on 5 Live that there is an option to buy him at the end of the loan and that Bertrand is open to the move.
On Twitter he has said that a move at the end of the season is an option, which is not quite the same thing. Did he say something more specific on the radio?
it's an option to buy which we would have requested as part of the loan. Usually that comes with a pre-agreed price which Chelsea would have agreed to. I would have thought that if the player proves himself we would exercise that option.
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Just hope that Chelsea don't offer Bertrand as part of any deal for Luke Shaw.
If Pat Murphy is correct and there is a purchase clause then we have the right to exercise it before anyone else gets an opportunity? I imagine we are paying them a loan fee also so on top of some or all of his wages so that might come off the price of the player should we buy him outright. I would certainly hope that if nothing else he has gone a long way to prove what a solid permanent purchase he will be for the club.
That's a big 'if'. It might just as easily be a straight forward loan for a fee until the end of the season and then see where we are.
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Get this twat signed permanently. Now.
This made me giggle for a good couple of minutes. Awesome stuff!
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Pat Murphy mentioned on 5 Live that there is an option to buy him at the end of the loan and that Bertrand is open to the move.
On Twitter he has said that a move at the end of the season is an option, which is not quite the same thing. Did he say something more specific on the radio?
Yeah, I would love there to be an option to buy but I will wait until a reliable source says it. Not Pat Murphy.
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Just hope that Chelsea don't offer Bertrand as part of any deal for Luke Shaw.
If Pat Murphy is correct and there is a purchase clause then we have the right to exercise it before anyone else gets an opportunity? I imagine we are paying them a loan fee also so on top of some or all of his wages so that might come off the price of the player should we buy him outright. I would certainly hope that if nothing else he has gone a long way to prove what a solid permanent purchase he will be for the club.
That's a big 'if'. It might just as easily be a straight forward loan for a fee until the end of the season and then see where we are.
But that wouldn't be an 'option to buy'. The big 'if' is whether Murphy is talking out of his arse possibly without knowing it.
If it is there, we would not have negotiated for it if we weren't prepared to exercise it if things worked out. Equally Chelsea would not have ceded their right to say 'no' if they saw a future for Bertrand at Stamford Bridge.
For all he played in the EC cup final, Bertrand only had 28 top flight games to his name when he came here. The same as Gary Cahill when he departed for Bolton. The price tag should be reasonable.
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Pat Murphy mentioned on 5 Live that there is an option to buy him at the end of the loan and that Bertrand is open to the move.
On Twitter he has said that a move at the end of the season is an option, which is not quite the same thing. Did he say something more specific on the radio?
Mark Chapman asked "do you know if there is an option for Villa to buy him when the loan runs out" and Murphy replied "there is, and based on an interview that I did with the player last week he's very open to joining permanently". Then a load of stuff about how he's a sensible bloke, knows about Villa's history, doesn't seem to someone who has just turned up and doesn't really care...
He certainly wouldn't be the first journalist to misinterpret something, but I'm not sure why he'd bother lying about it.
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I really hope we can make that happen. He'd be great here. We haven't had a top left back in quite some time.
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He'll be the first proper LB we've had at the club in a good while. Just so competent in so many areas. Does the simple things well and you can see he's played with quality players by his touch and confidence. I'm not giving up on Lowton either. He's clearly got some ability going forward and needs to work out some off the field stuff to clear his head and work on his craft. He'll be wise to have a chat with Ryan and get some pointers on improving his positioning and footwork.
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Lowton is having a bit of a nightmare in defence but I haven't written him off yet. Last season he turned him some fantastic performances. Against Sunderland at home it was one of the best fullback performances I've seen in years. It's there somewhere, he just needs time. Or, it was a purple patch and he's not up to it long term. I think it wouldn't hurt to bring a serious contender for him at right back. See also: Westwood.
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Lowton is having a bit of a nightmare in defence but I haven't written him off yet. Last season he turned him some fantastic performances. Against Sunderland at home it was one of the best fullback performances I've seen in years. It's there somewhere, he just needs time. Or, it was a purple patch and he's not up to it long term. I think it wouldn't hurt to bring a serious contender for him at right back. See also: Westwood.
Wouldn't surprise me if Lambert moved Lowton on in the summer with all the living up north thing. Either way we do need another RB
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Wildin looks a really good player in the youth team. Signing Bertrand would give Wildin plenty of time to develop.
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Hope we sign him up at the summer.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Luna's gone in the summer too. I don't know where Bennett's been this season. At least he looked good going forward and could be better used as either a wide left midfielder or as an attacking full-back in games where teams come and get behind the ball. He's young enough to have defensive attributes coached into him too whereas Luna might have too many to learn.
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He is a quality player. Somebody of his ilk screening the back four and supplying the forwards and we're a very good side indeed.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Luna's gone in the summer too. I don't know where Bennett's been this season. At least he looked good going forward and could be better used as either a wide left midfielder or as an attacking full-back in games where teams come and get behind the ball. He's young enough to have defensive attributes coached into him too whereas Luna might have too many to learn.
Injured.
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He is a quality player. Somebody of his ilk screening the back four and supplying the forwards and we're a very good side indeed.
Wouldn't come cheap but worth pushing the boat out for - a class act.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Luna's gone in the summer too. I don't know where Bennett's been this season. At least he looked good going forward and could be better used as either a wide left midfielder or as an attacking full-back in games where teams come and get behind the ball. He's young enough to have defensive attributes coached into him too whereas Luna might have too many to learn.
Injured.
That much I know but I don't know what the injury is, whether it's been just one or multiple injuries, a re-occurrence etc. I think he was nearing fitness at least once.
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I really hope this isn't another Kyle Walker scenario. This kid is great.
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I really hope this isn't another Kyle Walker scenario. This kid is great.
I'd worry about his wages. He's hardly gonna be on a pittance at Chelsea, and we don't pay big wages.
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I really hope this isn't another Kyle Walker scenario. This kid is great.
I'd worry about his wages. He's hardly gonna be on a pittance at Chelsea, and we don't pay big wages.
I reckon 30-40k should do it. I think we have to pay that for decent first 11 players, minimum.
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Hope I'm wrong, but I can't see Bertrand wanting to join a club with no ambition and one that's constantly looking at the wrong end of the table - I don't think we're safe by any means.
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I really hope this isn't another Kyle Walker scenario. This kid is great.
I'd worry about his wages. He's hardly gonna be on a pittance at Chelsea, and we don't pay big wages.
I reckon 30-40k should do it. I think we have to pay that for decent first 11 players, minimum.
So with Fonz going and probably Gardner and Albrighton as well that's the wages sorted. We get 1 player who is a regular in the team instead of 3 who are on the outside.
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Either Bennett/Luna will get sold on in the summer aswell. It makes no sense to carry three LBs in a squad especially as two of our CBs can play there too.