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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on January 16, 2014, 08:03:29 PM
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Saturday 18.1.14 Anfield 5:30pm KO.
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2-2 Benteke, Holt
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I didn't think we would get a battered against Arsenal and we didn't despite much doom and gloom.
Can't make the same case about this one, can see Liverpool winning this 4-1.
We either get a shock result at Anfield or a battering, little inbetween on that ground for us.
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Baker has been ruled out of the game according to kendrick.
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I'm afraid to say that I can see Suarez, Sturridge and Coutinho tearing us apart at the back. Let's just hope we can do the same to their fragile defensive line.
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Baker has been ruled out of the game according to kendrick.
Baker has been ruled out of the game according to every media outlet I've read this evening.
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Baker has been ruled out of the game according to kendrick.
Baker has been ruled out of the game according to every media outlet I've read this evening.
Maybe so , but the pre match thread wasn't open at the time he tweeted it.
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So what?
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Baker has been ruled out of the game according to kendrick.
Baker has been ruled out of the game according to every media outlet I've read this evening.
Maybe so , but the pre match thread wasn't open at the time he tweeted it.
How does that work?
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So what?
So I've posted that baker is out of the game for those readers who weren't aware of it .
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I have a feeling we're going to get tonked, but this will be our turning point of the season and we'll end the season well.
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Two visits to Merseyside in a fortnight and we'll lose both. The next two home games are more important.
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Baker has been ruled out of the game according to kendrick.
Baker has been ruled out of the game according to every media outlet I've read this evening.
Maybe so , but the pre match thread wasn't open at the time he tweeted it.
Kendrick tweeted that the H&V pre-match hadn't been opened yet ?
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So what?
So I've posted that baker is out of the game for those readers who weren't aware of it .
Cheers Eastir - i wasn't aware that Baker was gonna be out for this game....i thought it was only mild concussion!!!!
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Pravda reports (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3623862,00.html)
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Good analysis of us from a Liverpool website.
http://www.thisisanfield.com/2014/01/opposition-analysis-aston-villa/
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Baker has been ruled out of the game according to kendrick.
Baker has been ruled out of the game according to every media outlet I've read this evening.
Maybe so , but the pre match thread wasn't open at the time he tweeted it.
Kendrick tweeted that the H&V pre-match hadn't been opened yet ?
Haha - I meant I couldn't post it at the time as when I looked the thread wasn't open - was not aware posters could start the pre match thread as its normally stickied- sorry for any misunderstanding.
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Haha - I meant I couldn't post it at the time as when I looked the thread wasn't open - was not aware posters could start the pre match thread as its normally stickied- sorry for any misunderstanding.
See the Arsenal one - was five pages long before it was stickied.
Start a thread whenever one is worth starting.
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Haha - I meant I couldn't post it at the time as when I looked the thread wasn't open - was not aware posters could start the pre match thread as its normally stickied- sorry for any misunderstanding.
See the Arsenal one - was five pages long before it was stickied.
Start a thread whenever one is worth starting.
Cheers Dave!
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Anyone can do it. It used to be my little pet project but after our recent run of results, superstitious claptrap has come into play on my part. In future, start it up and it will be stickied.
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Our father, who art in heaven...
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Our father, who art in heaven...
Grant Holt be thy name...
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Our father, who art in heaven...
Grant Holt be thy name...
It would be fabulous if he came on and won us the game though wouldnt it?
Kiss the badge Grant, KISS .....THE...... BADGE!
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Our father, who art in heaven...
Grant Holt be thy name...
It would be fabulous if he came on and won us the game though wouldnt it?
Kiss the badge Grant, KISS .....THE...... BADGE!
In true Keegan style ''I would love it''.
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Good analysis of us from a Liverpool website.
http://www.thisisanfield.com/2014/01/opposition-analysis-aston-villa/
I really wish I hadn't read it. Can't really fault it which is the problem. The truth hurts.
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If any old poster is to start a match thread I expect to see a proper thread title with capital letters and the name Aston Villa, not just Villa. Furthermore I do not give a shit what people are fucking tweeting.
I started one a couple of weeks ago and i just put Villa. It was soon corrected though. My bad (as the kids say).
Oh and agree on your second point.
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ManU game aside I've predicted us to win or draw every game so far this season, because I am an eternal optimist and I think we've been playing well below our true capabilities since probably the Newcastle game.
That said, I think this one will be:
Liverpool 3 (Buck Toothed Racist Footballing Marvel)
Villa 1 (Tiny Eared Belgian Collossus)
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3-1 Liverpool.
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Good analysis of us from a Liverpool website.
http://www.thisisanfield.com/2014/01/opposition-analysis-aston-villa/
I really wish I hadn't read it. Can't really fault it which is the problem. The truth hurts.
Doesn't it just.
Very well written stuff, and as well as some truly shocking statistics regarding us, a very good interpretation of them.
I hope we don't go on playing like this for much longer.
It's eye-wateringly horrible to watch, I don't care if it works well enough to keep us mid table, we'll be well on the way to becoming the new Stoke if it goes on the rest of the season.
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They'll dig us a new hatch.
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4-1
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Them 3
Us 0
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Can't see anything other than a win.
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Shock 3-1 win, Holte hat-trick off the bench.
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3-0 to the dippers.
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We'll start off like we finished the Arsenal game, then Delph will tackle little stevie G by the
halfway line & he'll score from the resultant penalty(well it is anfield) Rat face will fluke 1 then
Sturrridge will score a worldy.
Either that or a smash n grab raid with us winning 2-1 then me drinking heavy to
celebrate.
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5-0.
I was going for six but thing Vlaar will make the difference.
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Good analysis of us from a Liverpool website.
http://www.thisisanfield.com/2014/01/opposition-analysis-aston-villa/
I really wish I hadn't read it. Can't really fault it which is the problem. The truth hurts.
get him in as manager . He knows more the manager
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we will be ok for ten minutes
they will score and then we will go to pot
4-0
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I wonder how far off a "real" scouting report on the opposition that that post is. Impressive work.
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Should be a win for Liverpool based on form..
In our favour is their defence is not that solid and Mignolet is very dubious with balls into the box.
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5-0 :(
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It's on the tv so we are bound to look inept and get a dicking.
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Can't see anything other than a win.
Same, although 3 points won't put us above Southampton. A bit of a gap building between us/Hull and them.
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Two visits to Merseyside in a fortnight and we'll lose both. The next two home games are more important.
It doesn't matter who we are playing now, home or away. We need some surprise results as we have not been getting the easy ones.
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5-0 home win.
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3-1. Holt for us
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3-1. Holt for us
And Benteke and Delph with the others.
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We're gonna win 2-1.
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Good analysis of us from a Liverpool website.
http://www.thisisanfield.com/2014/01/opposition-analysis-aston-villa/
I really wish I hadn't read it. Can't really fault it which is the problem. The truth hurts.
Likewise. "Regressive tactics and Championship mentality" pretty much sums us up in a nutshell this season.
Although he's an odious cnut Suarez is a brilliant player - 22 goals this season already, and sadly I think he and Sturridge will see us off pretty easily.
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3-1 to us
Benteke
Holt
Bertrand
The tooth fairy for them.
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There's no way that "The Count" can miss the chances again that he did in the same game last year.
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I have a feeling both Benteke and Holt will start up front tomorrow.
Lowton and Bertrand need to be given licence to get forward, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a bit of a mish-mash 4-3-3, with Gabby on one flank and three central of Bacuna, Westwood and Delph.
Bacua having more freedom than the other two. Might as well give it a go.
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I have a feeling both Benteke and Holt will start up front tomorrow.
Lowton and Bertrand need to be given licence to get forward, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a bit of a mish-mash 4-3-3, with Gabby on one flank and three central of Bacuna, Westwood and Delph.
Bacua having more freedom than the other two. Might as well give it a go.
Agreed.
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I think there will be goals in this game!
Hardly an insightful prediction i know, but i think as much as Liverpool will have the majority of possession and Suarez will get a few goals against us they will be open to the counter attack. I don't think we'll have many chances but if we can take them we might be able to get a draw.
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I'd take a draw or an ugly win but I can only see a bindipper win...sadly..
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I have a feeling both Benteke and Holt will start up front tomorrow.
Lowton and Bertrand need to be given licence to get forward, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a bit of a mish-mash 4-3-3, with Gabby on one flank and three central of Bacuna, Westwood and Delph.
Bacua having more freedom than the other two. Might as well give it a go.
Sound possible. Playing 4-3-3 against a side as good as Liverpool would be brave, especially how well they're playing but you never know.
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Good analysis of us from a Liverpool website.
http://www.thisisanfield.com/2014/01/opposition-analysis-aston-villa/
I really wish I hadn't read it. Can't really fault it which is the problem. The truth hurts.
Likewise. "Regressive tactics and Championship mentality" pretty much sums us up in a nutshell this season.
That was the phrase that jumped out at me too. We'll probably lose but it would be immense fun if we sneaked a dirty win. RAWK Meltdown would be a joy to behold.
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Vic Reeves has made some ridiculous predictions on BBC (vs Lawro thing) Vic Reeves prediction here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25738132) eg 2-20 but none is more outlandish than that we'll keep a clean sheet at Anfield.
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Vic Reeves has made some ridiculous predictions on BBC (vs Lawro thing) Vic Reeves prediction here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25738132) eg 2-20 but none is more outlandish than that we'll keep a clean sheet at Anfield.
Yes and he said the baggies would beat Everton 400-1
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Vic Reeves has made some ridiculous predictions on BBC (vs Lawro thing) Vic Reeves prediction here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25738132) eg 2-20 but none is more outlandish than that we'll keep a clean sheet at Anfield.
Yes and he said the baggies would beat Everton 400-1
He'll still get more right than Lawro.
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I have a feeling both Benteke and Holt will start up front tomorrow.
Lowton and Bertrand need to be given licence to get forward, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a bit of a mish-mash 4-3-3, with Gabby on one flank and three central of Bacuna, Westwood and Delph.
Agreed
Bacua having more freedom than the other two. Might as well give it a go.
Agreed.
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Can we have some more of this tomorrow please ?
The commentary sounds like the Arabic version of " Your boys took one hell of a beating."
And one of these would be nice to
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Have a feeling we will get a draw tomorrow, 2-2, Benteke and Gabby
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"What time will kick-off be on Saturday?"
"Every fifteen minutes."
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As long as it is Liverpool kicking off every 15 mins then no problem.
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Is it not time for the "liverpool having a stab at the title, but ultimately meltdown" thing to happen? Can we be the ones to start the ball rolling?
Sadly I can't see us winning two on the bounce at Anfield. Their home form has been top notch this season and with their front line I can't see us getting anything from it. But who knows, the wheels might start coming off for them at some point. Hopefully tomorrow.
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5-1 to them i hate to say.
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2-2
Case, Johnson for them. Stainrod brace for us.
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Will Bertrand be straight in or will Luna get one last start?
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2-0 Home win I fear.
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Will Bertrand be straight in or will Luna get one last start?
I reckon Bertrand will play infront of Luna, steady the Liverpool onslaught from goofy teeth.
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Friend from home who works for Standard & Chartered offered me and a couple of other Villa fans tickets in the directors' box for this game last season. I turned it down - partly because I thought we'd get tonked but mainly because watching from a directors' box doesn't really appeal. Again, think we'll get tonked but, again, hope I'm wrong.
The lads who did go sat with Ian Rush and said he was the dullest man they'd ever met.
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Friend from home who works for Standard & Chartered offered me and a couple of other Villa fans tickets in the directors' box for this game last season. I turned it down - partly because I thought we'd get tonked but mainly because watching from a directors' box doesn't really appeal. Again, think we'll get tonked but, again, hope I'm wrong.
The lads who did go sat with Ian Rush and said he was the dullest man they'd ever met.
They never saw the game cause Rush's nose got in the way.
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Oh for a very dull lethal 30-a-season goalscorer with any selection he wishes of Mr Potato Head noses and taches.
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Oh for a very dull lethal 30-a-season goalscorer with any selection he wishes of Mr Potato Head noses and taches.
Would be nice. Shaun Teale had a better tache than Rush though. Better by far.
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It is hard to guess the team. Last season's win caused the 4231 discovery. Guzan - Lowton, Clark, Baker, Lichaj - Westwood, Herd - Andi, Holman, Bannan - Benteke. If Lambo was logical... Guzan - Lowton, Vlaar, Clark, Bertrand - Westwood, Delph - Bacuna, Weimann, Gabby - Benteke.
Didn't Herd play as part of the back five in this game?
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It is hard to guess the team. Last season's win caused the 4231 discovery. Guzan - Lowton, Clark, Baker, Lichaj - Westwood, Herd - Andi, Holman, Bannan - Benteke. If Lambo was logical... Guzan - Lowton, Vlaar, Clark, Bertrand - Westwood, Delph - Bacuna, Weimann, Gabby - Benteke.
Didn't Herd play as part of the back five in this game?
Yes he did. Baker, Clark and Herd. We played 5-3-2.
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It is hard to guess the team. Last season's win caused the 4231 discovery. Guzan - Lowton, Clark, Baker, Lichaj - Westwood, Herd - Andi, Holman, Bannan - Benteke. If Lambo was logical... Guzan - Lowton, Vlaar, Clark, Bertrand - Westwood, Delph - Bacuna, Weimann, Gabby - Benteke.
Didn't Herd play as part of the back five in this game?
Yes he did. Baker, Clark and Herd. We played 5-3-2.
Blimey. How in hell did we win?
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3-1 them
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Aside from their forwards, Liverpool are pretty ordinary. Henderson is getting good reviews but he is an athlete really not much of a footballer while Gerrard is a shadow of the player he was. Lucas too hasnt been the same since injury a couple of years ago. I watched Everton outplay them a while back particularly in midfield. They were able to get at their back four very easily and Lukaku's physical power was too much for them.
What worries me is that Lambert will see that and go for Benteke and Holt up top and try to physically batter them. Ideally we would play more mobile players in midfield than Gerrard and Lucas and get at them that way. Gabby might get some joy from Johnson on the left, both players are notoriously inconsistent but if Gabby got on top there we might have a chance.
at the other end of the field, bertrand in is a plus though this is a very tough first game for him. honestly think there is a very good chance of one of our defenders getting a red card tomorrow. Both Lowton and Clark have niggly streaks in them and no recovery pace which could be a recipe for disaster. Vlaar too looked to be blowing out his arse towards the end of the Arsenal game so would wonder how fit he is. Have a feeling we will be humiliated to be honest. 6-2 or a crazy score like that. we wont be able to control their forwards and their movement.
guzan
lowton, vlaar, clark, bertrand
albrighton, bacuna, westwood, delph, gabby
benteke
maybe give sylla a chance during the game
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Them 3 - 2 Us
Hannibal Lecter (3). I have him as captain of my fantasy team.
Benteke & Vlaar. Oh, these two players too.
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Another result like last year would be superb. I've got a sneaky feeling Holt will score.
See you all up there (whoever's going that is).
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The addition of holt and Bertrand have brought a feeling of optimism this week , I originally thought we could be in for a heavy beating but who knows .....
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I reckon it'll be:
Guzan
Lowton
Plastic
Vlaar
Clark
Delph
El-Ahmadi
Westwood
Benteke
Agbonlahor
Would like to see Bacuna in midfield but doubt it.
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3-2 the Villa.
This game is made for Grant to come off the bench and grab a late winner.
C'mon you Villa boys!
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Its blowing a gale at Albert Dock and its supposed to rain later. This game has villa hoof-fest written all over it
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Good analysis of us from a Liverpool website.
http://www.thisisanfield.com/2014/01/opposition-analysis-aston-villa/
I really wish I hadn't read it. Can't really fault it which is the problem. The truth hurts.
I don't mind people saying we're shit when it's backed up with acute observations, statistics and a good chunk of evidence.
I think he's called it spot on. I'd love to see a similar analysis of spring last year as I remembered us a team which hustled and always put pressure on the ball. Okay it didn't always work but it was good to watch.
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Firstly Christian Benteke 4/1 just to score a goal anytime !! is what i am sayin.
3 goals in 3 apps !
Granted Liverpool have a lot of fire power but Suarez and Sturridge have to get use to playing again and we can not only frsutarte but be dangerous on break.
The on loan signings have given me some optimism so i like to think it has been psoitive for the villa team !! Gabby and Benteke are a handful against liverpool who are error prone and not kept many clean sheets.
1-1 or 2-2
Holt can come on and bully defence and i would actually start Bertrand on left side. supporting Luna at left back. delph and westwood with bacuna tucked in with Gabby wide right and Big ben up top.
Sterling will add the width to pools game as wil suarez and sturridge who will drift out to flanks. Hederson and Gerard will be key . I say we can hold our own as record of 3 wins in last 4 matches at anfield is awesome.. 1-3 1-1 1-3
Capable of making comeback if we go behind we ll be ok
UTV
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Good analysis of us from a Liverpool website.
http://www.thisisanfield.com/2014/01/opposition-analysis-aston-villa/
I really wish I hadn't read it. Can't really fault it which is the problem. The truth hurts.
I don't mind people saying we're shit when it's backed up with acute observations, statistics and a good chunk of evidence.
I think he's called it spot on. I'd love to see a similar analysis of spring last year as I remembered us a team which hustled and always put pressure on the ball. Okay it didn't always work but it was good to watch.
I think it's always worse when people say we're shit and it's backed up with evidence.
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I think we will go behind but gain composure as the game goes on. Benteke and Weimann will click like they did last season and we will win 3-1. Goals from Weimann, Benteke and either Gabby or Holt.
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Good analysis of us from a Liverpool website.
http://www.thisisanfield.com/2014/01/opposition-analysis-aston-villa/
I really wish I hadn't read it. Can't really fault it which is the problem. The truth hurts.
I don't mind people saying we're shit when it's backed up with acute observations, statistics and a good chunk of evidence.
I think he's called it spot on. I'd love to see a similar analysis of spring last year as I remembered us a team which hustled and always put pressure on the ball. Okay it didn't always work but it was good to watch.
I think it's always worse when people say we're shit and it's backed up with evidence.
I think its certainly recognizable and certainly I clearly perceived this already. its pretty obvious to state this sort of thing merely coz of the predictable nature of villas play. but thanks I already knew all this !! i
I also feel sorrie for wannabe liverpool being a top team as find it ridic funny that these scousers are sickenly annoyed that we have a system that works away from home!! Liverpool away from home arent so hot !! they cant beat teams like chelsea city hull arsenal newcastle away with their approach. ha! so they arent gonna be the top team and will cost there champions league dream !
The key stat is Villa’s approach has yielded a sizable number of points on the road picking up 15 points from 10 away games and having the 2nd best away defensive record.
Our away approach is why we WONT LOSE today Liverpool like all the other teams worry with villas counter attack
UTV!! :D ;D
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I think it's going to be very tough in this game.
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We have capitulated to Liverpool on numerous occasions with far stronger teams that we will field today. However, Liverpool don't have quite the meanness about them that they used to have. Their striking power is as good as it ever was though. You just have to hope we will do it. There is no point throwing the towel in. Get into them, Villa!
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Hoping he starts Bertrand and Holt as that should lift the whole team. Benteke has broken his duck now so you never know.
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Liverpool have a lot of fire power but Suarez and Sturridge have to get use to playing again
They already have. A few minutes after coming on Sturridge scored against Stoke. Before that he set Suarez up.
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Benteke to score + villa win 25-1
Villa win 1-0 33-1
Villa win 15-1
Wow. I'm still not tempted though...
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If Villa win 25-1, 33-1 or 15-1 I'll be over the moon. I'll even take 1-0.
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Sunny at the moment but there's some horrible looking clouds rolling in from Birkenhead.
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Very dark. In this pub.
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That article is a very well researched and accurate one. I've not seen as comprehensive an analysis from a villa can never mind from a rival supporter
For all those who claim stats are meaningless, I think that article is an example of how to use them. Of course, they prove reasonably little and can be misleading on an individual game. But over a season, as a pattern, it's hard to argue that the stats back up what we've been seeing with our own eyes.
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I'd prefer it more if Gerrard was out sitting with the fans again he always does well against us.
I sat next to Richard Walker in the north stand once when he was out injured, 6 Apps 2 goals for us was pretty decent he deserved more of a chance I always thought.
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Very dark. In this pub.
Bloody hell dc5 , where are you , the cavern?
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First of my four home games this season. Oh what a joy to not have to traverse the M6!
C'mon the Villa!
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Feeling optimistic today, 3-2 Villa win. Holt x 2, Benteke.
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If Villa win 25-1, 33-1 or 15-1 I'll be over the moon. I'll even take 1-0.
If they did win 33-1 you just know there would be complaints about failure to keep a clean sheet.
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Very dark. In this pub.
Bloody hell dc5 , where are you , the cavern?
Good shout!
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Ah! The fake Cavern. The proper Cavern was demolished years and years ago!
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Ah! The fake Cavern. The proper Cavern was demolished years and years ago!
The replica one is good though , I have been in there and great place to twist and shout .
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The Cavern means nothing. Eric's was the most important venue in Liverpool.
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The Cavern means nothing. Eric's was the most important venue in Liverpool.
Do It Clean, Zimbo, Villiers Terrace...
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The Cavern means nothing. Eric's was the most important venue in Liverpool.
Do It Clean, Zimbo, Villiers Terrace...
I've read it in books those are the crucial three but Mr Sox has been at the sleeping gas. Let's hope today our defence haven't.
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A Saturday. My footy team on Sky, then pub, then curry with a group of friends. Ace. What could go wrong...? The usual. Not enough yogurt n mint sauce.
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I cannot Cope with these puns
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Feck. Looks like I've mistimed my walk across Stanley Park. The rain's started
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I cannot Cope with these puns
Wylie quip!
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Feck. Looks like I've mistimed my walk across Stanley Park. The rain's started
Ha! Ha! I'm drowning here too.
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The Cavern means nothing. Eric's was the most important venue in Liverpool.
Do It Clean, Zimbo, Villiers Terrace...
I've been up to Villiers Terrace
I saw what's a-happening
People rolling 'round on the carpet
Biting wool and pulling string
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Heading into town shortly to watch this one
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Ah! The fake Cavern. The proper Cavern was demolished years and years ago!
And we aren't in there anyway but have had several great beers in a pub that is not 'full of Villa'.
10 seconds to get served every time.
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Ah! The fake Cavern. The proper Cavern was demolished years and years ago!
And we aren't in there anyway but have had several great beers in a pub that is not 'full of Villa'.
10 seconds to get served every time.
That's your reward for doing your homework. Enjoy!
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Match thread up and running.