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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on December 20, 2013, 06:43:09 PM
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Available Saturday 21.12.13 @2pm.
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is it over yet?
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Guzan, lowton, baker, Clark, herd, Westwood, Delph, tonev, weimann, Albrighton and Kozak
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Guzan is captain
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I will take a 0-0 right now.
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No Benteke at all....not on bench either
Guzan(c) Lowton, Clark,Baker, Herd, Westwood, albrighton, weimann,delph, tonev,Kozak
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I'm out for this, I hope we turn up because that back line is terrifying. Come on Villa.
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Looks such a poor side
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Bench Steer, Bacuna, KEA, Helenius, Luna, Bowery, Sylla......why no Gardner
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I will take a 0-0 right now.
i have little doubt that you'll get your wish my friend
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Least he has dropped KEA. Baker at left back fills me with dread. UTV.
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Maybe that's why he's been rubbish recently - he's been unfit.
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At least he's dropped KEA.
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Our final game tonight sees Stoke City...
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Guzan, lowton, baker, Clark, herd, Westwood, Delph, tonev, weimann, Albrighton and Kozak
Is that the worst Villa line up since the Turner era?
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Guzan, lowton, baker, Clark, herd, Westwood, Delph, tonev, weimann, Albrighton and Kozak
Is that the worst Villa line up since the Turner era?
You forgot every line-up which included JLloyd Samuel.
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Looks like a 4-2-3-1.
Tonev and Alby on each wing, Weimann playing off Kozak?
I'd have gone for that to be honest. Two direct wingers against their poor fullbacks. Andy's work rate is better used in the middle to help break up their midfield, and also allowing him to play off Kozak. His best game this season came against City, playing off Kozak.
I don't think that's actually a bad side to be honest. It looks direct, and hopefully with some width. Of course Lambert will do something silly like play Weimann wide and Tonev in the middle, just to fuck things up.
KEA out is a bonus. He disappears for most of the games. The odd goal here and there can't make up for that. We're best just having a two man, with Weimann dropping back to help out every now and again. I honestly think Lambo has taken a leaf out of Utds book after last week.
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We need Weimann to find some form today - chances here for a few to impress and stake a claim - lets hope they take their chance.
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well I was happy to see kEA and Luna out at first .
maybe hes got to play weimann with CB and Gabby out but hes been really poor . Looks poor side , so we will probably win 3-0
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Stoke side: Begovic, Cameron, Shawcross, Wilson, Pieters, Walters Nzonzi, Arnautovic, Whelan, Assaidi, Crouch,
Subs Sorenson, Muniesa, Pennant, Palacios, Jones, Adam. Wilkinson
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I take it Luna has a knock other wise a CB at FB ...it's MON esq
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Guzan, lowton, baker, Clark, herd, Westwood, Delph, tonev, weimann, Albrighton and Kozak
Tell me that's a fantasy nightmare team and not the Villa team today?
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shawcross in then
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Prays for 0-0...prays for 0-0...prays for 0-0...prays for 0-0...
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We need Weimann to find some form today - chances here for a few to impress and stake a claim - lets hope they take their chance.
Honestly the way we're playing at the minute, I'd rather have Weimann in there for his work rate alone. I think we'll see a different player though, if he's allowed to play through the middle, which hopefully today he will.
On paper this side looks week, but what I do think it's got, is some balance. Two direct wingers, 2 in the middles, with Weimann operating behind Kozak.
The defence could be a worry, but honestly, as average as our side might look, I don't think Stoke looks any better. In fact their side looks shite.
I fancy a win today.
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sad when we make Stokes bench look like Man Citys bench compared to ours and their bench is shit
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I take it Luna has a knock other wise a CB at FB ...it's MON esq
It's probably that he was absolutely diabolical last week.
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I am equal parts dread and cautiously optimistic we can pull something out of the bag.
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It don't look like a side that makes me think we can win the match but I'm hoping I'm proved wrong come on Villa.
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Blimey that looks a bit fragile. I hope that there is a surprise in the bag. Missing Gabby and Benteke is a big blow as much as Vlaar.
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Players Out:
Vlaar
Okore
Bennett
N'Zog
Agbonlahor
Benteke
Sorry, just needed to write that out to try and feel a bit better about the team being put out today. Not really worked...
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So, what's the craic with Benteke? Has he been told to go away and have a serious chat with himself?
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Guzan, lowton, baker, Clark, herd, Westwood, Delph, tonev, weimann, Albrighton and Kozak
Is that the worst Villa line up since the Turner era?
Yep. Started going around then and can't recall seeing a weaker Villa team. The team we had in Division Two was stronger than that line up.
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So, what's the craic with Benteke? Has he been told to go away and have a serious chat with himself?
he's likely been told not to push it and come back when he's healthier.
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I just hope we don't park the bus again and sit there hoping for a point like at West Ham.
What should on paper be the most boring game of the day will probably be a cracker.
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so many Villa fans I know and speak to , none of them rate KEA . They are happy hes not starting
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Is Benteke injured???
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Is Benteke injured???
He's been injured for weeks now.
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Might go in my music studio and mess on synths looking at this game
but it would be 6-3 Villa If I do
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Is Benteke injured???
Apparently he's been carrying knocks. Which would certainly tie in to how short of pace he's looked since coming back from injuries. He's looked 2 yards short of last season and hasn't really shown the willingness to really run at defenders. He's definitely been holding back.
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Might go in my music studio and mess on synths looking at this game
but it would be 6-3 Villa If I do
Get in that studio now!!!!!
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Guzan, lowton, baker, Clark, herd, Westwood, Delph, tonev, weimann, Albrighton and Kozak
Is that the worst Villa line up since the Turner era?
what about the side where our great hope was signing.. was it eric bakke or the other leeds player?
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so many Villa fans I know and speak to , none of them rate KEA . They are happy hes not starting
I'm not worried that kea and Luna are on the bench - both poor recently - nice to see Lowton back again at right back but thought bacuna may play rather than tonev - I think Kozak will score today but am worried about our defence against crouch . Hard game to predict this one - anything could happen - fingers crossed it goes our way .
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so many Villa fans I know and speak to , none of them rate KEA . They are happy hes not starting
I think he's one of the most average midfielders we've ever had. Even some of our worse midfielders at least had some kind of presence in a game to remind you they were playing.
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Might go in my music studio and mess on synths looking at this game
but it would be 6-3 Villa If I do
Get in that studio now!!!!!
ha ha - Id never recover missing that , will ruin my Christmas
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The amount of times KEA gets brushed off the ball and not by bigger guys is infuriating. It's cost us a few goals as well.
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Is Benteke injured???
Apparently he's been carrying knocks. Which would certainly tie in to how short of pace he's looked since coming back from injuries. He's looked 2 yards short of last season and hasn't really shown the willingness to really run at defenders. He's definitely been holding back.
Paul Lambert on his pre-match interview says he is out with a knee injury!!!! Read into that what you will!
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The amount of times KEA gets brushed off the ball and not by bigger guys is infuriating. It's cost us a few goals as well.
Slows things down too much as well - as least tonev has a quicker tempo to his game .
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so many Villa fans I know and speak to , none of them rate KEA . They are happy hes not starting
I think he's one of the most average midfielders we've ever had. Even some of our worse midfielders at least had some kind of presence in a game to remind you they were playing.
David Hunt was the worse midfielder I ever saw . I use to just stand there laugh every time he touched the ball which wasnt often has the game passed him by
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so many Villa fans I know and speak to , none of them rate KEA . They are happy hes not starting
I rate KEA. Worried he might be injured. Our midfield is far worse this season without him.
Anyway, happy enough with the line up. Time for Tonev & Albrighton to step up.
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So - get to 78 minutes at 0-0. Win a free kick and bring Bacuna on?
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Guzan, lowton, baker, Clark, herd, Westwood, Delph, tonev, weimann, Albrighton and Kozak
Is that the worst Villa line up since the Turner era?
Yep. Started going around then and can't recall seeing a weaker Villa team. The team we had in Division Two was stronger than that line up.
Yeah, Lillis,Simms and Aspinall would walk into this team.
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Might go in my music studio and mess on synths looking at this game
but it would be 6-3 Villa If I do
I'm in the studio at the moment! just put 2 guitar tracks down, just having a cup of tea and watching the bass player try to get his parts right!!
Have fun!!
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I just hope Kozak puts himself about, we'll need a focal point. Come on you villa boys!
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KEA
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/hhunt_zps2ad2d8d7.jpg) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/hhunt_zps2ad2d8d7.jpg.html)
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Got a funny feeling this might work. Two wingers, tall, target front man and an industrious Weimann in the hole at least gives us a different attacking thread.
I'm just worried about Guzan.........who's he going to launch it at if Benteke is out?! ;)
Get at them early with a high temp and go for it. Change 2 after 60 mins and go again (sorry).
3-1 ;D
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Is that a a banana in his pocket or is he just pleased to be in the team!!
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Benteke has a knee injury according to Kendrick on twitter.
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Tonev shooting from the half way line!! here we go!
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tonez shoots straigt away into row s
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For Christ's sake Tonev. He has a real problem.
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Tonev does it on purpose to wind us up.
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Might go in my music studio and mess on synths looking at this game
but it would be 6-3 Villa If I do
I'm in the studio at the moment! just put 2 guitar tracks down, just having a cup of tea and watching the bass player try to get his parts right!!
Have fun!!
enjoy Brian
say hello to Bowie when you see him
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Is that a a banana in his pocket or is he just pleased to be in the team!!
first time he had touched the ball
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tonez shoots straigt away into row s
This has just been described has an effort for Villa on SSN.
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tonez shoots straigt away into row s
Row P according to 5 Live.
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tonez shoots straigt away into row s
This has just been described has an effort for Villa on SSN.
does nt the manager talk to him . Alek pass to own player and stop shooting
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Nice header by Baker.
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a cross from a wide area well done Marc
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kozak hold ball well
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Just seen the last five minutes or so, but we look OK.
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Not a beautiful game but it's all about Albrighton.
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tonez shoots on target good move marc looks good
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Tonev on target....yes I know.
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yeah Albrighton putting some good balls in.
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Just seen the last five minutes or so, but we look OK.
we can do for 20 mins until other team scores
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We are playing well. Delph cant pass for shit but that aside, playing well.
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Take your time lads. Trying to rush forward passes at times. Alby's the one with a bit of composure at the minute. The rest need to follow his lead.
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Albrighton is doing OK.
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Good game actually. Not the horrific bore we might have expected.
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Fucking hell Lino. You're right there.
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How the fuck did the lines woman miss that.
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We look totally different with Albrighton on the pitch. That's not to say he's doing amazingly (though he is doing quite well), just that we look a bit less one dimensional.
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just realised its that shit ref
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well at least Stoke look shit to be fair
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well at least Stoke look shit to be fair
Stoke are a lot like us. Similar quality with older players.
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Can we get Tonev off?
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well at least Stoke look shit to be fair
Stoke are a lot like us. Similar quality with older players.
If Lambert has a job on his hands changing the way we play, Hughes has a far bigger one expunging the Pulis stink from that place.
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And now after him being shoved into a board, unfairly carded for a Stoke players dive Albrighton gets booed by the local Stoke primitives.
Nice.
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free kick here
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red maybe
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Got to be a red card.
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ffs ref -
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Ref bottled it.
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Lucky boy. Also Stokes skipper should have been booked. They surrounded the ref.
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Shit free kick
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whres banana bacuna when you need him
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If Tonev is the answer what is the question
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Ref has been biased against us so far. Obviously so.
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Tonev must be brilliant in training, he just always looks lost to me, clearly not ready for this level.
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Still 0-0?
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Still 0-0?
Yup
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That right there is the weakness of Baker. Slow, unaware, puts it out for a corner
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Crikey, we are a poor side, but we're Bayern Munich compared to Stoke, they look truly awful.
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If Tonev is the answer what is the question
Who do you prefer KEA or Tonev
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Tonev must be brilliant in training, he just always looks lost to me, clearly not ready for this level.
That's all i can think myself because he's never done it in a match.
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passing at times ;(
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Tonev doesn't have much subtlety. Poor touch. He's alright if he can knock and run but he lacks a bit of class. If he can get behind his FB he might have some joy though.
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two teams with no quality
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Crikey, we are a poor side, but we're Bayern Munich compared to Stoke, they look truly awful.
Funny, two managers who have won the European Cup now managing two sides so very far removed from those events and the sides they are managing and the quality of football on display.
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John e neither all I want is a ball playing winger or midfielder
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Why would Albrighton try and cross there?
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leave it for lowton
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close from stoke guzan save
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Why is albrighton getting booed
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well done Clark
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Crikey, we are a poor side, but we're Bayern Munich compared to Stoke, they look truly awful.
Funny, two managers who have won the European Cup now managing two sides so very far removed from those events and the sides they are managing and the quality of football on display.
Hughes hasn't, has he?
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Why is albrighton getting booed
our best player scared of the damage he will do ;)
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good effort Albrighton
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Albrighton and Clarke are very good so far.
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Good news elsewhere with all our relegation rivals losing
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oh dear Tonev
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Tonev seems to be playing for a third team.
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FFS Tonev.
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tonev has no put us in the shit from having an attack
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I have defended him, but today Tonev is bloody awful.
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tonez owes clark a drink
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I have defended him, but today Tonev is bloody awful.
get him off and bring bacuna on
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Tonev is more than a headless chicken. He's like a headless hydra chicken.
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Tonev seems to be playing for a third team.
In a different match.
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Tonev clearly needs time, but does look like he operates on a different plane of existence to everyone else
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Crikey, we are a poor side, but we're Bayern Munich compared to Stoke, they look truly awful.
Funny, two managers who have won the European Cup now managing two sides so very far removed from those events and the sides they are managing and the quality of football on display.
Hughes hasn't, has he?
You're right it was the Cup Winners Cup. I lowered Lambert to Hughes' level in error.
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get tonev off bring on Bacuna and we could nick this 1 0
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A point at Stoke will be better than er...not getting a point at Stoke, right?
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given we're the away team that's been a decent first half performance
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We've done ok but the final spot on MOTD beckons
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A point at Stoke will be better than er...not getting a point at Stoke, right?
We should win this. Sod a point.
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Seems like both teams are doing there level best to be last on motd.
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Definitely not too bad there, we look a bit like we have more variation going forward.
I feel sorry for the bloke because he clearly wants to do well, but Tonev has been abject, and really needs to come off.
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Cloggers City 0 Aston Cloggers 0
Can't wait for the second half.
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not bad - I thought if we just get to HT 0-0 , I think we could go on and nick it should be 10 men for stoke - stoke had half chances , villa at times played some decent quick football
clark and marc good
tonev rubbish
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We have been rubbish but Stoke are worse to lose to this lot is totally unacceptable
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Decent first half, yes, better than I thought.
Bacuna for Tonev could be good.
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Can Bacuna play on the left?
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Not too bad so far. There's a bit of balance to the side with this system. A bit of composure and and consideration we should be able to open them up.
Defensively we've been okay, though Lowton got skinned far too easily at one point.
Kozak and Weimann are working hard. Linked up at the end there, but Weimann lashed at it.
I'd like to see Westwood commanding the game a bit more. He's got to be the one starting things off and making things happen but his passing has been under par at times. Likewise Delph needs to keep his passing simple, because it's not his strength.
Tonev is disappointing. He's got no composure at all. It's full pelt or nothing. No touch the boy. But if we get him in behind he will cause problems.
Alby has looked lively.
Tight game, could go either way. Not nearly as horrendous as we might have expected. Stoke are a hard side to beat on their turf, but I think we could see Kozak getting some joy if Alby can whip in a few more balls.
Credit to Baker and Herd in the middle too. They've done well so far. It's hardly an ideal pairing, but so far they've kept Crouch and their no 10 pretty quiet.
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get tonev off bring on Bacuna and we could nick this 1 0
If we manage to get a free kick it could be ideal. I really can't see us scoring from open play. Tonev is probably the worst Villa player I've seen in years. Shockingly poor.
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We've done ok but the final spot on MOTD beckons
Sunderland v Norwich could pip us to it!!!
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Single out Tonev time.
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Definitely not too bad there, we look a bit like we have more variation going forward.
I feel sorry for the bloke because he clearly wants to do well, but Tonev has been abject, and really needs to come off.
Done well tracking back but going forward he has been woeful.
Had slightly the better of it IMO and they should be down to 10
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Can Bacuna play on the left?
He can play either side apparently. I think cutting in from the left he has a good striker on him, so I'd like to see Leandro come on at some point. I'd give Tonev 10 more minutes though. He could have some joy.
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Tonev just seems to play his own game regardless of what options he has around him, I will give him this year to settle but I honestly dont think he is going to make it, hope I am wrong and please yes he is the easy target, but that is because of how he is playing, nothing else.
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Single out Tonev time.
Not really. I think most people are pointing out he's had a particularly bad half - which is hard to argue against if you've watched the match.
I think, if anything, he's trying too hard. If that makes sense.
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Albrighton has done well, the ball in for Kozak at about 10minutes was close to a perfect cross, just a shame Kozak had gone a bit too early. The defence looks better than expected and Weimann has looked sharp. Delph has struggled to find Tonev a few times which is a bit frustrating as he's a better player than that. I have no idea what to say about Tonev, I really don't think he's as poor as he looks but absolutely nothing is going for him again today. I still think he's going to be one of those players where there will be a definitive turning point and it will all just click.
Wilson is very lucky to be on the pitch, could easily have been a red and even without it he was lucky not to have been on a yellow anyway for the push on Albrighton earlier.
Stoke are still a right bunch of thugs, lots of niggly crap off the ball and blocking off of runs, then when anyone reacts they throw themselves to the floor and appeal for anything they can get.
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in a game with two poor sides, we look slightly better. Stoke rallied a bit before the break but some great defending from Clark and Baker kept them out. Expecting a lot more from Delph and Westwood in midfield.
This game is eminently winnable.
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Single out Tonev time.
Not really. I think most people are pointing out he's had a particularly bad half - which is hard to argue against if you've watched the match.
I think, if anything, he's trying too hard. If that makes sense.
I agree Paulie, Ive heard the players say the same.
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You may as well recall Grealish from his loan and play him instead of Tonev; can't do any worse surely? Hopefully Stoke will tire in the 2nd Half after their midweek exertions against Manure.....
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Single out Tonev time.
Not really. I think most people are pointing out he's had a particularly bad half - which is hard to argue against if you've watched the match.
I think, if anything, he's trying too hard. If that makes sense.
I agree Paulie, Ive heard the players say the same.
I think it explains the shooting from 40 yards thing he does, definitely.
Some of these players are going to need time, I reckon he's clearly one of them.
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have Stoke signed geoff thomas
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Single out Tonev time.
Deserved today I am afraid. His positive is he has been tracking back to help out Clarke a lot, so thats good. But he and Delph have been competing with Stoke for the "worse passers of the day" award.
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With enforced changes today if we keep it 0-0 today that will do.
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With enforced changes today if we keep it 0-0 today that will do.
It's winnable, I reckon, but a point at Stoke isn't too bad. I think I'd take it now. It'd mean I could turn this off and go and play childish computer games instead of watching the second half, too.
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Bollocks.
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goodnight
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With enforced changes today if we keep it 0-0 today that will do.
The worst bit being that the players are either more senior or possible difference makers. This is pretty much the best Stoke have which is awful.
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Fuck.
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Donkey Clark returns.
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baker poor
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Here we go. As I said, most of our relegation rivals are losing too
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Sigh. Well there you go. Dammit.
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I detest Stoke more than mere words can convey
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seen tugboats turn quicker
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Even now, I can't see this scoreline changing.
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Would like to see helenius given a run now in the last 30 mins or so - hard to see a way back the way we are playing .
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Losing to stoke. *sigh*
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Just got in. Anybody know what the situation is with Benteke? Not even the bench?
Oh. and bollocks that we're one down. Not unexpected though.
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I haven't watched a Stoke Villa game since that 2-2 draw at Villa under MON, 2-0 up cruising with 10 to go.
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awful tackle by clark, filthy and no need whatsoever to go lunging in like that. Baker getting far too tight to Adam.
Lowton again with a sneaky tackle. both players could do with losing that side to their games.
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ffs tonev get him off
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Without Vlaar Gabby and Benteke is tough. No left back either. It is where the squad starts to look a bit pathetic. We need 3-4 players in the Vlaar, Gabby, Benteke quality bracket desperately.
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Tonev really is poor. Never looks up.
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No real surprise. We're a very poor team. Even Stoke have a plan.
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Without Vlaar Gabby and Benteke is tough. No left back either. It is where the squad starts to look a bit pathetic. We need 3-4 players in the Vlaar, Gabby, Benteke quality bracket desperately.
To be honest, the squad looks almost constantly poor in some positions.
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I haven't watched a Stoke Villa game since that 2-2 draw at Villa under MON, 2-0 up cruising with 10 to go.
Was it 10 to go or less - I thought it was about 4 minutes to go when they got their 1st?
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Getting bullied out of it now.
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I haven't watched a Stoke Villa game since that 2-2 draw at Villa under MON, 2-0 up cruising with 10 to go.
Ugh. That was the start of this shocking decline we've had.
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Thats why we signed 6 players in the summer to give us a squad, but it is a squad with no quality
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I haven't watched a Stoke Villa game since that 2-2 draw at Villa under MON, 2-0 up cruising with 10 to go.
Ugh. That was the start of this shocking decline we've had.
Other than Wembley, that's the most depressed I've been coming out of a Villa match in years.
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I wouldn't back any of our players to equalise with only Begovic to beat.
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I haven't watched a Stoke Villa game since that 2-2 draw at Villa under MON, 2-0 up cruising with 10 to go.
Ugh. That was the start of this shocking decline we've had.
You're not far wrong there. May have been even less time left, a horrible day at Villa Park.
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Some of our passing is just beyond description, it is so poor.
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Desperately need players in during January
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We're far and away the dirtiest side in the division it must be said.
We just need to keep the ball on the deck. No point playing Pulis football against a Stoke side who are moving (slightly) away from Pulis football (even though they got their goal going more direct).
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I know it isn't over yet, but let's face it we truly are a horrible team. Lerner has to invest in January or we'll be in deep shit in a relegation battle.
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I've only watched the second half but we seem to be crying out for a someone to put their foot on the ball and string a few passes together.
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I haven't watched a Stoke Villa game since that 2-2 draw at Villa under MON, 2-0 up cruising with 10 to go.
Ugh. That was the start of this shocking decline we've had.
Other than Wembley, that's the most depressed I've been coming out of a Villa match in years.
For me it was more depressing that we didn't get any points out of seemingly winnable (at the time) games and watching Arsenal close and then overtake us. Fucking Stoke.
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Lost all shape.
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Don't give up and for Christ's sake don't let another one in!! Get Tonev off. My Mrs would be happy to play, I'm sure she would be better than him!
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Ref is losing control of this, if he ever had any control in the first place
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what the fuck is herd playing at. another fake hardman
almost certainly going to be a red card in this game.
we are an embarrassment out there, an indisciplined rabble
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The depressing thing for me is Barry wanted to come back in the summer, and would have brought a real calm to the whole thing.
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A big fight would be nice.
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What a dirty bloody game. Particularly from us, but their lot aren't exactly great either.
There is gonna be a red or two at this rate. My moneys on Clark, Herd or Delph.
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Traditional Delpt booking when Things are going against us.
Baker looked bad when they scored
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How many times have Stoke surrounded the ref.
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I'm starting to get the feeling that, this week, the first half was our good one, and this is our wretched one.
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The trouble is, you know this side will not be able to change the way they play for the rest of the game. Any changes will make not the slightest bit of difference.
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Delph should be gone. We'll call that 1-1 now, cause Wilson should be gone too.
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delph bloody ell
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Delph should be off.Time for a change.
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Delph is one lucky player after that...
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thankfully the ref had an epic brainfart there
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What's with all the fouling? For me it just shows how desperate we are.
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I got circumcised yesterday. I wish I was still in hospital having my penis hacked.
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What's with all the fouling? For me it just shows how desperate we are.
We look like we're trying to get someone sent off.
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This is shit. Delph should be off as well.
Getting utterly bossed now. By Stoke. Changes need to be made; I know we're hit by injuries, but this is an absolute shambles.
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Bacuna and Helenius on.
Hate saying it but KEA on for Delph. Delph won't last 10 more minutes at this rate.
It's not pretty at all. Not dull at least.
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might be worth moving albrighton to the left and bringing on Bacuna. could take off any number of players but Tonev has been the worst
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3 defeats on the trot would be really poor, especially considering 2 are Stoke and Fulham. Needs to stop the rot here.
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Lost discipline lost shape and still Lambert does nothing get it sorted
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It's ok Palace will be push overs on Boxing Day (sarcastic icon).
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Bacuna and Helenius on.
Hate saying it but KEA on for Delph. Delph won't last 10 more minutes at this rate.
It's not pretty at all. Not dull at least.
You are right but with that statement any glimmer of hope dies!
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oh yes
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Get in!!!!!!!!!
Well done Kojak!!!
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What a gift.
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3 defeats on the trot would be really poor, especially considering 2 are Stoke and Fulham. Needs to stop the rot here.
Yep - 0 goals too!
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Kozaaaaaaak!
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Get in
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Thank fuck for that!!!
Yesssssss!!!!!
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Wow...is our luck back now?
Libor. Good finish.
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Oh fucking yes! Kozak. Thank Fuck for that.
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KOOOOOOOZZZZZAAAAAAAKKKKKKKK
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Whoo loves ya baby.
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Right about time we had some luck. Well on Kojac
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3 defeats on the trot would be really poor, especially considering 2 are Stoke and Fulham. Needs to stop the rot here.
Yep - 0 goals too!
Whoops!
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Phew. Thank you Stoke.
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LIBOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Get in.
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streamed stopped before goal ffs
;)
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Jordan Bowery - oh fucking hell
Kozak scores. joke of a goal in keeping with the game
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ha ha ha ha that was about the only way we were going to score!!!!!!
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Thank fuck!
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Give him better service and he has shown he knows where the net is. We know that's partly the case for Benteke too.
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We needed a bit of luck....... Turning point maybe?
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Fair to Kozak, he did very well indeed to anticipate that chance, and he took it well, too.
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Come on JB. I want the lad to score.
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Kozak has really nailed his goal celebrations
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So he did get a one on one, and he did take it. Shut my mouth.
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Who is Bowery on for!?
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Now lets go on and win it.
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Get in there Kojak fucking lovely
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bollocks
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Shit.
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ffs Villa
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Now lets go on and win it.
I think not
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Bowery for Tonev is a change we will make against West Ham and Stoke only.
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Oh fuckkk
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Bollocks. I suppose there was no way this was really going to end 0-0.
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Unbelievable
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Handball surely?
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What a piece of shit defending again.Even though it was handball.
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I don't bloody believe it
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Shit. Fucking handball as well.
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Absolute dog shit.
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The luck didn't last long. Fucking hell.
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One of our relegation rivals, Fulham, back from two down against Man City to level it
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Diving ****** coming on.
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how does the ref not see that as handball, fucking joke.
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No not given 2-1 shit
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Really good finish from Kozak.
What is Bowery doing on?
Crouch, you cheating twat.
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Lambert the buck stops with you.
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Thank fuck!
Fixed.
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Pennant on. My cup runneth over. He sums up stoke for me. Classless.
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Sort it out Lambert! This is your mess.
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Hate Pennant.
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some effort from herd trying to clear that cross. swing and a miss
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they will get a third if we carry on like this!!
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Footballing lesson...from Stoke City...
If that doesn't tell us we need decent signings in Jan, I don't know what will.
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westwood has been utterly fucking useless today
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Make Stoke look like Brasil what the fuck
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Another depressing afternoon , poor stuff yet again :(
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Unlucky.
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Unlucky Kozak
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Unlucky Libor. I really like him. A rare bright spot.
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westwood has been utterly fucking useless today
Villa have been fucking useless.
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Young scores for Man Yoo - prompts WM to reveal he's not coming back in the New Year.
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westwood has been utterly fucking useless today
He's not good enough. We've got to get quality in midfield. Delph seems to have hit the wall too. So we're fucking awful in the middle.
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A 'winnable' game slipping away. Should we start looking for 'drawable' games.
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Is Westwood playing today or am I only allowed to pick on Tonev
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westwood has been utterly fucking useless today
Villa have been fucking useless.
For the majority of this season.
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A 'winnable' game slipping away. Should we start looking for 'drawable' games.
Currently I'd be pleased with 2 points from the next 2
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westwood has been utterly fucking useless today
Villa have been fucking useless.
Villa are fucking useless.
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Always so nervy on the ball. No composure from anyone. They all play football like their kicking a live grenade for fucks sake.
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What the fuck was that? This is the worst Villa side I've seen in a long time. Only Kozak and Alby have looked any good and Guzan of course.
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All this talk of winnable games. My arse. We couldn't win a throw in at the moment.
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I can't think of many things that ruin my weekend like a Villa defeat.
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westwood has been utterly fucking useless today
He's not good enough. We've got to get quality in midfield. Delph seems to have hit the wall too. So we're fucking awful in the middle.
Of course he's not good enough, and he never has been and he never will be either. He's not Premier League class but that's the type of player Lerner will only pay for these days.
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Chris Herd, Nathan Baker and Jordan Bowery are no where near good enough for the Premier League. The first two particularly poor in both this and the Fulham game. Also Lamberts inability to change things and/or make substitutions border on MONesque.
It is shit being a Villa Fan.
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utter, utter garbage.
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All stems from the same thing as last season that was not addressed and is biting us on the arse. No experience in core positions, and an over reliance on Vlaar to be leading them. As soon as he is out, we go to complete shit.
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westwood has been utterly fucking useless today
Villa have been fucking useless.
We've been incredibly unlucky with injuries yet again, but there is so little quality in the squad that we get exposed very quickly.
Long ball time again. We're not a passing team either as it turns out.
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I can't think of many things that ruin my weekend like a Villa defeat.
Im getting used to it
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Super Marc off, Bacuna on. Joy.
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I can't think of many things that ruin my weekend like a Villa defeat.
Yes. Hate to say it but it makes a big difference to how I deal with the rest of the weekend.
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westwood has been utterly fucking useless today
He's not good enough. We've got to get quality in midfield. Delph seems to have hit the wall too. So we're fucking awful in the middle.
Of course he's not good enough, and he never has been and he never will be either. He's not Premier League class but that's the type of player Lerner will only pay for these days.
Sadly yes. Genuinely there's probably 6 players in our squad I'd rate as good enough long term. The rest are bobbins. I mean even in early matches you should be able to see some ability, or some potential, like we saw when Ash Young arrived, or Barry for example.
So many of these look utterly poor.
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Inspired sub, but then again, what's he got on the bench? Oh yes, dross that he bought.
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Albrighton off?!
Lambert - I would question your judgement
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As much as Lambert has to be accountable for some of what we are seeing it must be shit to as picks the team that Vlaar, Benteke, Okore, Gabby, N'Zogbia etc are all out injured
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I asked the question eariler on if Tonev is the answer what is the question, well one more if Bowery is the answer I fucking give up Lambert your team, your tactics get a fucking grip
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westwood has been utterly fucking useless today
Villa have been fucking useless.
We've been incredibly unlucky with injuries yet again, but there is so little quality in the squad that we get exposed very quickly.
Long ball time again. We're not a passing team either as it turns out.
We are no unluckier than anyone else when it comes to injuries. We have a really poor squad, it is the lack of suitable cover that hurts us.
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Albrighton off?!
Lambert - I would question your judgement
Why Albrighton picked up a knock.
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I can't think of many things that ruin my weekend like a Villa defeat.
Yes. Hate to say it but it makes a big difference to how I deal with the rest of the weekend.
Same here. Usually I drown my sorrows, if I win I celebrate with some booze.
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Albrighton off?!
Lambert - I would question your judgement
I'm being to question his judgement more and more every week.
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As much as Lambert has to be accountable for some of what we are seeing it must be shit to as picks the team that Vlaar, Benteke, Okore, Gabby, N'Zogbia etc are all out injured
Put those 5 into the side and we are very different, but the back up to those he has bought have been really poor so far.
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I think our fundamental problem is that we have far too many players who aren't good enough
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Is Man city winning again any consolation?
*clutches desperately at any straws in the vicinity*
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The usual boring useless crap again...almost week after week now with the odd fluke win thrown in
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Pass the ball and use some widht ffs
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Bowery's at least managed to find team mates with a couple of passes. I'll give him that.
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Still a few results going our way today, but, at this rate we'll be in the bottom 3 by the end of the Arsenal game on Monday 13th Jan I reckon.
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think albrighton had an injury
we have looked the worst side in the league over the past few weeks
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three defeats leading into Xmas. Again.
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I think our fundamental problem is that we have far too many players who aren't good enough
2 brackets for me - some are clearly not up to it, and some are, but only when the better players are on it too. They are lifted to a better standard by others, but sink without them.
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Albrighton off?!
Lambert - I would question your judgement
Why Albrighton picked up a knock.
In that case, apologies. Just our luck.
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I don't think we've been great but Stoke are the same bunch of classless, cheating thugs that they always have been. We should be getting a point out of this at the least but I can't see it
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As much as Lambert has to be accountable for some of what we are seeing it must be shit to as picks the team that Vlaar, Benteke, Okore, Gabby, N'Zogbia etc are all out injured
Put those 5 into the side and we are very different, but the back up to those he has bought have been really poor so far.
Yep and throw in players like Westwood, Weimann, Lowton who have all regressed and it's a very difficult situation right now
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Paulie spot on but it is the manager that has put this unacceptable squad together, so to me that means he is not good enough
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Why has he signed so many players who can't control, dribble or pass the fucking ball? Clueless.
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Still a few results going our way today, but, at this rate we'll be in the bottom 3 by the end of the Arsenal game on Monday 13th Jan I reckon.
I think you're right. Results have gone for us today as all our rivals for relegation with the obvious exception of Stoke are losing or drawing
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I have no patience with Lambert left. Terrible football, terrible signings, terrible excuses.
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I think our fundamental problem is that we have far too many players who aren't good enough
Wrong. Our problem is not the players. It's the clueless fool that manages them. He really is out of his depth and is being found out every week.
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Is this really us in transition? I'm sorry but lambert has bought volume over substance! Lack of
Quality is shocking.
At present I can't see us beating anyone and that is
Very very worrying
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As much as Lambert has to be accountable for some of what we are seeing it must be shit to as picks the team that Vlaar, Benteke, Okore, Gabby, N'Zogbia etc are all out injured
Put those 5 into the side and we are very different, but the back up to those he has bought have been really poor so far.
Yep and throw in players like Westwood, Weimann, Lowton who have all regressed and it's a very difficult situation right now
I do wonder sometimes with those mentioned, whether they had another level or not. They may just have been found out. Certainly I really don't see the fuss with Weimann.
It's a shame Delfouneso didn't have Weimanns application and workrate.
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stoke are utterly fucking useless aswell.
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I don't think we've been great but Stoke are the same bunch of classless, cheating thugs that they always have been. We should be getting a point out of this at the least but I can't see it
We have been rubbish in the final third and have been for a while.
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I have no patience with Lambert left. Terrible football, terrible signings, terrible excuses.
I agree: terrible, boring, turgid
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Still a few results going our way today, but, at this rate we'll be in the bottom 3 by the end of the Arsenal game on Monday 13th Jan I reckon.
That's the worry and it's a valid concern as well. This era of buying out of their depth lower league players and cheap foreigners is dicing with our Premier League status. It really isn't good enough for Villa. Lerner has to decide to either invest serious money into the club or find someone who will.
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Shit corner again
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We're shit. No clue or plan. Can't see us winning for a very long time.
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We need 3 players in Jan. And the loan market, at our current level of finance, has to be looked at too.
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Stoke 2-1 Aston Villa
Stoke are dominant now and Aston Villa do not seem to have any answer, they certainly don't look like drawing level for a second time
From the BBC page
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Given the players we have out, I guess there shouldnt be too much of an expectation but this has been utter shite
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The two home games over Christmas are so significant now.4 plus points,and we'll be clear of the rabble.Anything less,and as Jon says,we'll be in the mix.
There's far too many on that pitch,whom are not of the standard for a mid table team.Nothing against the man,biut Bowery seems to be a Brewster's Millions experience on the part of PL
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Yet again though, we'll have a whinge for a day and a half, then the anger will dissipate and we'll forget how fucking awful our play is by next week.
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Someone earlier commented that this side was as bad as those seen under Graham Turner - Am beginning to think that is a bit of a sleight against Turner - This is one "car crash" or abortion of a line up.
I salute the optimists who post on here but are we really any better than last season?
McLeish and Lambert - is there really any difference?
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Yet again though, we'll have a whinge for a day and a half, then the anger will dissipate and we'll forget how fucking awful our play is by next week.
Until the next turgid performance.
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Shit corner again
I think that's why Guzan doesn't go up for them. He knows what's coming.
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Yet again though, we'll have a whinge for a day and a half, then the anger will dissipate and we'll forget how fucking awful our play is by next week.
I wont
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we're brainless too, daft free kicks we give away week after week
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I have always thought that the time to bring in players like Westwood or Lowton is when the current first team squad is a lot more solid and reliable. The fact is they have been brought in to play and not be given sufficient time to develop. They played above themselves last season. Maybe part of that was excitement of PL football and the opportunity, but also a bit of momentum towards the end as we got better. Now with the club struggling they don't have the required quality to get us out of this little run of poor performances and results. That's where a bit of experience would really help.
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I have no patience with Lambert left. Terrible football, terrible signings, terrible excuses.
I agree: terrible, boring, turgid
Needs to be big improvement in the next 3 games or more will start to turn on him - we are slipping towards trouble .
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We take long throw-ins straight at them, hoof the ball and refuse to look up before hitting the ball..................
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The experiment/project is draining my patience.
I have said two more windows before I lose it.
Beginning to think again
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Where is the next win coming from? We're even worse at home. I can't see us winning either of the two home games. Palace will be well drilled under Pulis.
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Has to be said the fans have been very patient with lambert and he's lucky he followed Mcleish - a lot of better managers have lost their jobs for far less.
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Well at least nobody got sent off
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Where is the next win coming from? We're even worse at home. I can't see us winning either of the two home games. Palace will be well drilled under Pulis.
They've just been pumped 3-0 at home to Newcastle.
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The experiment/project is draining my patience.
I have said two more windows before I lose it.
Beginning to think again
Our long term plan will result in being mid-table... In the Championship unfortunately. We're in a struggle again this season, make no mistake. Our better players will bugger off too.
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Jesus this is unbearable
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Anyone else well and truly fed up of this utter shit? Lambert can piss off for all
I care, bloody anyone couldn't get us playing any worse than this consistent garbage. Would have JG in at the moment over PL
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The experiment/project is draining my patience.
I have said two more windows before I lose it.
Beginning to think again
Is just plain old cost cutting dressed up as a "project". This is the 4th season on the trot where we've been basically shit. This hasn't happened for decades at Villa. Ellis would have been hung drawn and quartered by now if he was still in charge yet not a word of anger is ever aimed at Lerner.
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To think there's still people on these forums who support Lerner; he's to blame for trying to do it on the cheap! There's no substitute for quality and that costs money. Three straight defeats now - another nightmare December!
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To think there's still people on these forums who support Lerner; he's to blame for trying to do it on the cheap! There's no substitute for quality and that costs money. Three straight defeats now - another nightmare December!
I'm sure it's as simple as that.
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If Paul Lambert is not embarrassed at the sackings of Clarke, Vilas Boas, Jol and potentially Mackay while he is only allowed to remain he has no shame. He stays because Lerner has no ambition, no money and frankly it feels no respect for the fans - bright future?
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Proud history. Shite future :-(
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Yes, Ellis would've been hammered by now after 4 shit seasons; yet people still support Lerner who can't be arsed to watch a match over here - let alone actually talk to the paying customers. How can anyone support him after the McLeish appointment alone?