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Title: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on November 26, 2013, 06:15:00 PM
Saturday 30.11.13 3pm KO

Quote from: dave.woodhall
Next up is Sunderland on Saturday; so far Villa haven’t had a worse scoreline in any game than in the corresponding fixture last season. I’ll be very surprised, and delighted, if we can still be saying that this time next week.

Do I go to this considering the events surrounding last season...

2-0 home win

Benteke 21
Delph 56
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on November 26, 2013, 06:20:39 PM
I cant do a few days away to lead into it so I think we have to accept it wont be 6. We will win though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eastie on November 26, 2013, 06:31:37 PM
@MatKendrick: Neil Swarbrick will referee Villa v Sunderland on Saturday and Jon Moss will referee Southampton v Villa next Wednesday #avfc
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 26, 2013, 06:34:22 PM
Be nice if we scored half a dozen to help our goal difference.

Well it worked last season!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: jeowje on November 26, 2013, 06:41:08 PM
Ultra-pessimist in me says that sooner or later we are going to have a result which is worse than the corresponding fixture last season... 5-1 it is then!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Smirker on November 26, 2013, 07:01:59 PM
Comfortable win, they are without Brown too presumably?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on November 26, 2013, 07:04:43 PM
No. He had his red card rescinded.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Smirker on November 26, 2013, 07:30:59 PM
No. He had his red card rescinded.
No wum?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: l_mckay on November 26, 2013, 07:31:58 PM
Big game this,lets start a run now and get into the top half of the league. 3-1  win
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Smirker on November 26, 2013, 07:38:02 PM
Sunderland (H)
Southampton (A)
Fulham (A)
Man U (H)
Stoke (A)

Should be aiming 10 pts from those imo.

W, D, W, L, W.

Yes I am optimistic.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on November 26, 2013, 07:43:47 PM
Sunderland (H)
Southampton (A)
Fulham (A)
Man U (H)
Stoke (A)

Should be aiming 10 pts from those imo.

W, D, W, L, W.

Yes I am optimistic.

You don't have to roll over and die against United anymore.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on November 26, 2013, 07:43:52 PM
WDWDD

9. Separate thread, though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ron Manager on November 26, 2013, 07:58:13 PM
2-0  Villa   Weimann and Kozak.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: VancouverLion on November 26, 2013, 08:12:52 PM
3-0 Benteke 21, 71 Gabby 60
We really need the big man to start knocking some in and I think he'll start this Saturday.
Routine win me thinks.

UTV!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eastie on November 26, 2013, 08:15:10 PM
3-1 home win .
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Fergal on November 26, 2013, 08:50:34 PM
I would settle for a scrappy 1-0
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on November 26, 2013, 08:54:41 PM
I will never underestimate our team again, so probably win.

That said Sunderland are not as bad as their league position suggests. I think it could be a very good game.

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: dekko on November 26, 2013, 09:47:30 PM
2-0 Villa
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: supertom on November 26, 2013, 09:52:33 PM
Three up front again. Gabby, Benteke, Weimann.
Play to our strengths again.
Get Lowton back in the side, push Bacuna up.

2-0

It'll be a lot tighter than last season. We'll win though but may make hard work of it like Cardiff.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Des Little on November 26, 2013, 09:56:36 PM
We'll shit 'em. 2-0
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: levico on November 26, 2013, 10:00:17 PM
A home banker............ So we'll draw.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Steve R on November 26, 2013, 10:08:16 PM
No pissing about this time. 4-3-3, recall Lowton and push Bacuna forward, play our best striker up front and our best midfielder in midfield.

Guzan
Lowton Vlaar Baker Clark
Sylla Delph Westwood
Bacuna Benteke Agbonlahor


Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Deano's Mullet on November 26, 2013, 10:49:02 PM
I haven't tipped us to win for a while but I do in this one but we'll make hard work of it.

2-1 Villa, Benteke to end his drought, Gardner for them.

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Smirker on November 26, 2013, 11:50:19 PM
Only 5 teams have conceded less than us this season and consider the start we had and the injury to Jores, that's very impressive in comparison to last season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 27, 2013, 12:37:30 AM
I will never underestimate our team again, so probably win.

That said Sunderland are not as bad as their league position suggests. I think it could be a very good game.



They have improved under Poyet but only at home. Their three away results under him have been:

4-0 loss at Swansea
1-0 loss at Hull (two men sent off)
2-0 loss at Stoke (phantom red card)

They've also lost 3-0 at WBA this season.

So they're not very good away from home at all and of course they lost 6-1 here last time out.

This is a big game for our front three who of course ripped Sunderland to shreds last time. Benteke will score sooner or later so I'm not worrying about him and it's time for Andi and Gabby to actually start scoring some goals. It's a good much up as even with Wes Brown's red overturned the Sunderland back 4 is very slow and ponderous so O'Shea and co won't fancy those three running at them.

I would be massively disappointed if we don't win this. I think we'll win 3-1 and ideally the three front players will score. Make it happen.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 27, 2013, 01:30:23 AM
2-0 Benteke both.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TopDeck113 on November 27, 2013, 06:52:05 AM
2-0

Need Benteke to start scoring again...
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Damo70 on November 27, 2013, 08:45:18 AM
I will never underestimate our team again, so probably win.

That said Sunderland are not as bad as their league position suggests. I think it could be a very good game.

I think Sunderland are poor. Bottom six material before the season started and have lived down to that prediction. Still no such thing as a banker but we should win and hopefully by more than one goal.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on November 27, 2013, 08:51:58 AM

Guzan
Lowton Vlaar Clark Luna
Westwood
KEA        Delph
Bacuna                    Agbonlahor
Benteke


I'd go with that.

Actually think Kozak was better v WBA than Benteke, but I'm still not sure Benteke is 100% fit and seemed to be a lot deeper.

Not convinced about KEA, but Sylla had a shocker IMO v WBA.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on November 27, 2013, 08:59:45 AM
2-1 Villa

We have got to beat sides like these at home and i'd say since the Newcastle debacle back in January by and large we have done the business against the sides we've needed to beat at home.

Lowton to come back into the team and Bacuna to push further forward. Tonev and Sylla definately benched for me. Hopefully Luna is back so we can get Baker out of the side.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: danlanza on November 27, 2013, 09:21:03 AM
3-0 Villa
Gabby with 2
Benteke with 1
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: bobdylan on November 27, 2013, 09:24:14 AM

Guzan
Lowton Vlaar Clark Luna
Westwood
KEA        Delph
Bacuna                    Agbonlahor
Benteke



I'd go with that.

Actually think Kozak was better v WBA than Benteke, but I'm still not sure Benteke is 100% fit and seemed to be a lot deeper.

Not convinced about KEA, but Sylla had a shocker IMO v WBA.


Weimann in for KEA for me with Bacuna in midfield and Weimann right forward, otherwise the same.

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Concrete John on November 27, 2013, 09:50:45 AM
Villa to win.  Benteke to score.  That is all.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: CJ on November 27, 2013, 10:05:24 AM
Sooner or later we have to play really well and give someone a seeing-to so I can go back across Aston Park with a smile on my face and a spring in my step. Benteke will break his recent goal drought, Gabby will be fully fit and firing, Weimann will find his touch again, Delph will add flair from the middle. 4-1 Villa
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 27, 2013, 10:29:29 AM
Front three has to be our usual. Think this is the ideal game for them to get back into the groove.

Question for me is who the midfield trio are. Westwood's a certainty to start given the praise Lambert was dishing out and the goal has probably kept Bacuna in. You'd assume Delph if he's fit enough would start but I'd quite like to see Bacuna in the middle trio with licence to get forward and see how that works.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chipsticks on November 27, 2013, 10:34:18 AM

Guzan
Lowton Vlaar Clark Luna
Westwood
KEA        Delph
Bacuna                    Agbonlahor
Benteke


I'd go with that.

Actually think Kozak was better v WBA than Benteke, but I'm still not sure Benteke is 100% fit and seemed to be a lot deeper.

People keep saying that Benteke isn't 100% fit, but he's had a good few games now under his belt and he's looked a shell of his former self. He rarely wins headers, struggles to hold up the ball, and often runs into nowhere when he does keep it. Based on this, I'd say Lambert has to start Kozak, and I hope he does in keeping with his policy of not being afraid to drop players. The only thing stopping him would be how good we know Benteke can be, but based on his current form I'd keep him on the bench as a back-up in case of disaster.

Either he's not fit, or he reeks of a player who doesn't want to be here.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on November 27, 2013, 10:36:21 AM

Question for me is who the midfield trio are. Westwood's a certainty to start given the praise Lambert was dishing out and the goal has probably kept Bacuna in. You'd assume Delph if he's fit enough would start but I'd quite like to see Bacuna in the middle trio with licence to get forward and see how that works.

I think it can depend on the other teams formation though. If a team are coming to Villa Park and playing five across the middle like Cardiff did, then you have to consider playing three central midfielders which we did. The only problem I can see with playing Bacuna in midfield is that he'll probably tend to drift out wide and leave the two in midfield exposed. It could be worth trying this weekend, although Sunderland do tend to play Fletcher on his own up front.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Dr Butler on November 27, 2013, 10:47:16 AM
need to win to back up that point we got Monday, Benteke to break that goal drought and go on a scoring spree until May.....
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Dave Cooper please on November 27, 2013, 11:28:53 AM
@MatKendrick: Neil Swarbrick will referee Villa v Sunderland on Saturday and Jon Moss will referee Southampton v Villa next Wednesday #avfc

Wasn't he the drummer in Culture Club?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: supertom on November 27, 2013, 11:36:10 AM
Sunderland haven't been horrendous since Poyet took over. They'll be a different side to the utter shambles of Di Canio's team. They're still shite, but we'll have to work hard for it, and they'll want to avoid a repeat of last season, so expect them to try and frustrate us.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on November 27, 2013, 11:36:25 AM
@MatKendrick: Neil Swarbrick will referee Villa v Sunderland on Saturday and Jon Moss will referee Southampton v Villa next Wednesday #avfc

Wasn't he the drummer in Culture Club?

Yes, god knows how he managed to become a ref, it's a miracle.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: danlanza on November 27, 2013, 11:36:48 AM

Guzan
Lowton Vlaar Clark Luna
Westwood
KEA        Delph
Bacuna                    Agbonlahor
Benteke


I'd go with that.

Actually think Kozak was better v WBA than Benteke, but I'm still not sure Benteke is 100% fit and seemed to be a lot deeper.

People keep saying that Benteke isn't 100% fit, but he's had a good few games now under his belt and he's looked a shell of his former self. He rarely wins headers, struggles to hold up the ball, and often runs into nowhere when he does keep it. Based on this, I'd say Lambert has to start Kozak, and I hope he does in keeping with his policy of not being afraid to drop players. The only thing stopping him would be how good we know Benteke can be, but based on his current form I'd keep him on the bench as a back-up in case of disaster.

Either he's not fit, or he reeks of a player who doesn't want to be here.
So do you think another transfer saga is going to unfold in January ? Or is he just out of form ?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: supertom on November 27, 2013, 11:42:50 AM

Guzan
Lowton Vlaar Clark Luna
Westwood
KEA        Delph
Bacuna                    Agbonlahor
Benteke


I'd go with that.

Actually think Kozak was better v WBA than Benteke, but I'm still not sure Benteke is 100% fit and seemed to be a lot deeper.

People keep saying that Benteke isn't 100% fit, but he's had a good few games now under his belt and he's looked a shell of his former self. He rarely wins headers, struggles to hold up the ball, and often runs into nowhere when he does keep it. Based on this, I'd say Lambert has to start Kozak, and I hope he does in keeping with his policy of not being afraid to drop players. The only thing stopping him would be how good we know Benteke can be, but based on his current form I'd keep him on the bench as a back-up in case of disaster.

Either he's not fit, or he reeks of a player who doesn't want to be here.
So do you think another transfer saga is going to unfold in January ? Or is he just out of form ?
I genuinely don't think he's as fit as he was last season. The summer bollocks might have played a part, but even in the early games, where at least he was still scoring, he looked a yard short in pace he had last season. We could be seeming JPA syndrome, but I think it's fitness.
When he had his 6 week layoff, we probably rushed him back. Now he looks a couple of yards short of pace.
We should also remember he picked up another niggle whilst out with the national team the other week.
I would hope we start seeing Benteke getting back to his best in December.

I don't want to read too much into it being a question of attitude. He's one of those players who doesn't always bust a gut. Sometimes he can look a bit lackadaisical, but then he'll shift up the gears out of nowhere and make something happen. We've not seen his individual brilliance this season as yet. Where he'll just run through the opposition like Adele plowing through a buffet queue full of kids.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: MoetVillan on November 27, 2013, 12:16:33 PM
I think its two things, fitness and confidence (which are linked).  He needs one to go in off his shin/ear/arse etc and suddenly the confidence will soar.  He is thinking about playing for another team alright, they are called Belgium.  I honestly dont think its anything else.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: darren woolley on November 27, 2013, 12:20:50 PM
2-1 To us Benteke and Gabby scoring.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: supertom on November 27, 2013, 12:31:23 PM
I think its two things, fitness and confidence (which are linked).  He needs one to go in off his shin/ear/arse etc and suddenly the confidence will soar.  He is thinking about playing for another team alright, they are called Belgium.  I honestly dont think its anything else.

It'll help getting back to our first choice attacking 3 again. The space Gabby and Weimann can create for Benteke will make things a little easier for him too. It just doesn't seem to work when he plays up top with Kozak.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chipsticks on November 27, 2013, 12:39:13 PM

Guzan
Lowton Vlaar Clark Luna
Westwood
KEA        Delph
Bacuna                    Agbonlahor
Benteke


I'd go with that.

Actually think Kozak was better v WBA than Benteke, but I'm still not sure Benteke is 100% fit and seemed to be a lot deeper.

People keep saying that Benteke isn't 100% fit, but he's had a good few games now under his belt and he's looked a shell of his former self. He rarely wins headers, struggles to hold up the ball, and often runs into nowhere when he does keep it. Based on this, I'd say Lambert has to start Kozak, and I hope he does in keeping with his policy of not being afraid to drop players. The only thing stopping him would be how good we know Benteke can be, but based on his current form I'd keep him on the bench as a back-up in case of disaster.

Either he's not fit, or he reeks of a player who doesn't want to be here.
So do you think another transfer saga is going to unfold in January ? Or is he just out of form ?

Part of me thinks we would have been better off with £20 million for him in the summer while we could. That's the sort of over-reaction statement that I really hope to be proved wrong on, though. If he doesn't improve soon, he must lose his place to Libor. Playing them both doesn't work.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on November 27, 2013, 12:43:44 PM
4-0 home win

Gabby (3), Vlaar
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Simon Ward on November 27, 2013, 01:31:24 PM
2-1 home win.

Gabby and Tonev
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: not3bad on November 27, 2013, 01:42:45 PM

Guzan
Lowton Vlaar Clark Luna
Westwood
KEA        Delph
Bacuna                    Agbonlahor
Benteke


I'd go with that.

Actually think Kozak was better v WBA than Benteke, but I'm still not sure Benteke is 100% fit and seemed to be a lot deeper.

People keep saying that Benteke isn't 100% fit, but he's had a good few games now under his belt and he's looked a shell of his former self. He rarely wins headers, struggles to hold up the ball, and often runs into nowhere when he does keep it. Based on this, I'd say Lambert has to start Kozak, and I hope he does in keeping with his policy of not being afraid to drop players. The only thing stopping him would be how good we know Benteke can be, but based on his current form I'd keep him on the bench as a back-up in case of disaster.

Either he's not fit, or he reeks of a player who doesn't want to be here.
So do you think another transfer saga is going to unfold in January ? Or is he just out of form ?
Out of form is my guess, as has happened to Lowton, Weimann and Westwood.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Simon Ward on November 27, 2013, 02:23:35 PM
Albrighton recalled from Wigan apparently! Surely he is not in line to play on Saturday?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: fredm on November 27, 2013, 02:28:33 PM
Coming back from injury; not up to full fitness/sharpness yet; second season syndrome; other teams now being aware of him and making plans accordingly; not having Gabby and Andi alongside who he knows their game; playing with a new partner who he hasn't seen before this season; playing as a 2 man attack; playing as a 10 (or that's how it looked for periods on Monday).

Add a bit of everyone of those into the mix and I think you see the CB of the last couple of games.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on November 27, 2013, 02:42:38 PM
People are actually saying we should drop Benteke? He offers us much more than just goals. Besides, he could've had a few vs Cardiff if our players chose to pass the ball to him.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: supertom on November 27, 2013, 02:54:51 PM
Albrighton recalled from Wigan apparently! Surely he is not in line to play on Saturday?
He's got games under his belt for them, played well. I think he'd be a useful option on the bench and he'd be the most capable in our squad of getting good delivery into the box for Benteke.

I doubt he will, but I certainly think he warrants being on our bench at the minute. I'd be surprised if we don't send him back to Wigan at some point though.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chipsticks on November 27, 2013, 03:25:55 PM
Albrighton recalled from Wigan apparently! Surely he is not in line to play on Saturday?

Confirmed by Sky Sports (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/9044867/aston-villa-recall-marc-albrighton-from-loan-spell-at-wigan-athletic)

Good news I think, we need more width and I've always rated him. Plus our squad is considerably lacking depth at the moment.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on November 27, 2013, 03:28:53 PM
Albrighton recalled from Wigan apparently! Surely he is not in line to play on Saturday?

Really? I think he's a distinctly average player he, for a short period, looked like he could be good. You can never questions his attitude, but his ability leaves a lot to be desired for. Sylla has more ability on the ball, and NRC probably had better ability than Sylla.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: CJ on November 27, 2013, 03:38:49 PM
That report says Lambert has recalled Albrighton ahead of schedule - the loan was to last til the end of November (Saturday) and Wigan don't play til Sunday this weekend, so hardly an early recall.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: rob_bridge on November 27, 2013, 03:53:11 PM
That report says Lambert has recalled Albrighton ahead of schedule - the loan was to last til the end of November (Saturday) and Wigan don't play til Sunday this weekend, so hardly an early recall.

Correct. In a world of lazy lazy journalism this is the laziest of recent times. I assume he isn't can't/won't play tomorrow in Europa League so no point in keeping him for an extra 2 days.

To me aside from a few games in 2010-2011 don't think he is up to it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 27, 2013, 04:03:17 PM
Albrighton is better than Tonev.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: rob_bridge on November 27, 2013, 04:08:36 PM
Albrighton is better than Tonev.

At the moment he doesn't look up to it. He has had less time than Albrighton though, in a brand new environment so will reserve judgement.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on November 27, 2013, 04:48:27 PM
Tonev has natural ability, and even though he is totally erratic at the moment, I think he will become a very good player. Albrighton has a lot to do prove he is worth a shout. But we need width and I hope he can do enough to get back on the bench at least .....
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: jeowje on November 27, 2013, 05:24:30 PM
Hopefully we win, i would probably expect that, really hope to see us pass and retain the ball better. Benteke must be odds-on to get on that scoresheet. Weimann and Gabby surely must also be due. Could be another big score, dont think Poyet will be there long either.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: TopDeck113 on November 27, 2013, 06:38:52 PM
@MatKendrick: Neil Swarbrick will referee Villa v Sunderland on Saturday and Jon Moss will referee Southampton v Villa next Wednesday #avfc

Wasn't he the drummer in Culture Club?

Yes, god knows how he managed to become a ref, it's a miracle.

Interesting how Ashley Young goes about his business when Moss is reffing. Does he think, I'll tumble 4 ya?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: paulcomben on November 27, 2013, 08:11:44 PM
I will be there on Saturday and logically the Mackems' bad form and bad luck will continue and improving Villa will easily get their first back-to-back home wins since National Service ended. Or whenever. Otherwise, all of their good fortune will arrive at once and a novice ref, a defensive error and a breakaway goal will do us in.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eastie on November 27, 2013, 08:23:52 PM
@MatKendrick: Neil Swarbrick will referee Villa v Sunderland on Saturday and Jon Moss will referee Southampton v Villa next Wednesday #avfc

Wasn't he the drummer in Culture Club?

Yes, god knows how he managed to become a ref, it's a miracle.

Interesting how Ashley Young goes about his business when Moss is reffing. Does he think, I'll tumble 4 ya?

Lets hope we are not the latest 'victims' of refereeing howlers.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: rob_bridge on November 27, 2013, 09:18:31 PM
@MatKendrick: Neil Swarbrick will referee Villa v Sunderland on Saturday and Jon Moss will referee Southampton v Villa next Wednesday #avfc

Wasn't he the drummer in Culture Club?

Yes, god knows how he managed to become a ref, it's a miracle.

Interesting how Ashley Young goes about his business when Moss is reffing. Does he think, I'll tumble 4 ya?

Lets hope we are not the latest 'victims' of refereeing howlers.

Will he give us (added) 'time' if we are behind in the last minute.

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Mazrim on November 27, 2013, 11:23:52 PM
I'd go with:

Guzan, Lowton, Vlaar, Clark, Luna, Bacuna, Westwood, Delph, Weimann, Benteke, Agbonlahor.
4 - 3 - 3.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Rigadon on November 28, 2013, 06:48:25 AM
I'd go with:

Guzan, Lowton, Vlaar, Clark, Luna, Bacuna, Westwood, Delph, Weimann, Benteke, Agbonlahor.
4 - 3 - 3.

And me.  That is unquestionably our best 11. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eastie on November 28, 2013, 09:30:57 AM
Come on down davey b , we are waiting for your forecast me old mate :)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: not3bad on November 28, 2013, 10:30:52 AM
I'd go with:

Guzan, Lowton, Vlaar, Clark, Luna, Bacuna, Westwood, Delph, Weimann, Benteke, Agbonlahor.
4 - 3 - 3.

And me.  That is unquestionably our best 11. 

But KEA will probably be in there, especially after he scored on Monday.  So Lowton will be on the bench and Bacuna will start as right back again (I reckon).
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: tom jennings III on November 28, 2013, 12:08:26 PM
                Guzan
   Lowton Vlaar Clark Luna
            Westwood
      Bacuna        Delph
Weimann                   Agbonlahor
                Benteke

Would be my team, but, as above I think he'll play Bacuna RB and KEA in the middle so Lowton will stay on the bench for now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on November 28, 2013, 12:59:21 PM
Saturday 30.11.13 3pm KO

Quote from: dave.woodhall
Next up is Sunderland on Saturday; so far Villa haven’t had a worse scoreline in any game than in the corresponding fixture last season. I’ll be very surprised, and delighted, if we can still be saying that this time next week.

Do I go to this considering the events surrounding last season...

2-0 home win

Benteke 21
Delph 56


My brother didn't go either, so I'm thinking of banning him from the ground....

We should be able to beat this bunch of old cloggers.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 28, 2013, 01:00:40 PM
Goal apart i thought EAH stunk the place out on Monday night

I just do not see what he does

Non existent in the air
Not a passer of the ball
No vision
Jockey's rather than tackles
Never holds a particular position

Delph / Westwood

And then a mix of : Bacuna / Herd / Sylla / Albrighton / Gardener / Tonev
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: not3bad on November 28, 2013, 01:10:06 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-ron-vlaar-says-6349410?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Boz on November 28, 2013, 01:17:58 PM
Albrighton is better than Tonev.

As always it's a matter of opinion. The Albrighton of recent times was not the Albrighton who looked so promising early in his career and IMO, there's not alot to choose between them overall.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on November 28, 2013, 01:33:38 PM
Albrighton is better than Tonev.

Yep
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: not3bad on November 28, 2013, 01:48:00 PM
Albrighton is better than Tonev.

As always it's a matter of opinion. The Albrighton of recent times was not the Albrighton who looked so promising early in his career and IMO, there's not alot to choose between them overall.

Albrighton was apparently very good in the League Cup defeat to Spurs and he's done well at Wigan so I reckon it would be worth giving him a try.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: fredm on November 28, 2013, 03:53:58 PM
Albrighton is better than Tonev.

As always it's a matter of opinion. The Albrighton of recent times was not the Albrighton who looked so promising early in his career and IMO, there's not alot to choose between them overall.

Personally I think that Tonev has more long term potential than Albrighton.  He needs to be able to bed in gradually whereas now he seems to me to be trying too hard to impress, if that is possible, but you get my drift.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: jeowje on November 28, 2013, 04:09:50 PM
Albrighton looks well short of competitive premier league standard to me- Tonev seems to have the touch and skill to suggest that he could become useful.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eastie on November 28, 2013, 04:31:05 PM
@MatKendrick: Antonio Luna back in the #avfc squad this weekend after recovering from a hamstring problem

@22Gards: Happy to be back in training today 😀😀😀 #utv
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eastie on November 28, 2013, 04:35:22 PM
Quote from: The Mirror
By James Nursey | 28/11/13 

At half-time in Aston Villa's Midlands derby at West Brom, you could sense the anger rising in the quiet away end.

Villa were lucky to only be 2-0 down at their local rivals Albion and the home fans were having a field day.

"You should have gone down the market," the home fans gleefully sang in reference to Brum's fine festive German fayre, where they do a mean stein of ice-cold lager.

And after seeing Shane Long score twice and Stephane Sessegnon miss a sitter, many Villains were probably already drowning their sorrows.

But people behind the scenes at Villa Park, the people I speak to, have always been quietly confident about their hopes for a respectable campaign this season. And there was further evidence in the second half at The Hawthorns that boss Paul Lambert is assembling a promising young side with real guts on the cheap.

They left Albion with a draw in the end after a 2-2 thriller. Villa have now taken more points from losing positions than any other Premier League side this season.

Ashley Westwood explained to the press post-match how Lambert has given them the resilience and belief to do it after his brilliant equaliser .

But there are clearly Villa fans out there who remain unconvinced that their side are making real progress. Someone even tweeted me at half-time saying Lambert should be sacked!

I was on talkSPORT after the game and was asked I think Villa are going in the right direction or not. I did my best to answer in the 20 seconds but perhaps I can elaborate.

Because, if there are doubters out there, then what they clearly cannot appreciate is Villa's financial position now owner Randy Lerner has closed his previously open chequebook.

It meant Alex McLeish had to make big cut-backs to the club's wage bill. And now successor Lambert is also operating on a hugely reduced budget from the Martin O'Neill era and has to rely on shrewd bargain signings which are not easy to find.

The Scot is not complaining - in fact I think he quite relishes the challenge - but if Villa are ever to compete with the top six again in future and qualify for Europe, they are going to have to do it more organically, and therefore slowly.



That means buying rough, cheap diamonds from abroad or down the leagues like Westwood, Leandro Bacuna and Matt Lowton. And it means working with talented academy graduates like Nathan Baker, Andreas Weimann and Ciaran Clark.

Unlike when you buy a proven Premier League player, it takes time for these guys to peak and many will only develop from learning from their mistakes. We saw that last season when many learnt the hard way in a brutal relegation battle with some embarrassing defeats.

But Villa survived to finish 15th and improved immeasurably in the new year, losing only to Arsenal, Man City, Liverpool, Man United and Chelsea after February.

And this season, the progress has once again been clear. The defence has got a lot tighter, players like Ron Vlaar, Fabian Delph and Westwood have come on enormously, and crucially Villa are picking up more points.

Sure, many impatient fans would probably prefer quicker progress but that is just not realistic given Villa's budget.

The side are currently 12th and unbeaten in three games having already played the top four in their opening 12 games. No one is getting complacent as there is clearly room for improvement: to oick up more results at home and get Christian Benteke firing again.

But Villa have one of the youngest sides in the top flight with players who are only going to grow in stature.

Consequently, I think there is little danger of Villa going down this season and they will be a big threat in the FA Cup. They can beat anyone on their day as shown this season against Arsenal and Man City.

So if I was a Villa fan this Christmas, I would indeed go down the German market in Brum and raise a stein to Lambert, who to my mind is clearly turning the club around after flirting with relegation the previous three seasons.

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 28, 2013, 04:46:04 PM
It's quite scary when James Nursey is being optimistic. Like seeing a smiling policeman.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on November 28, 2013, 04:47:56 PM
It's quite scary when James Nursey is being optimistic. Like seeing a smiling policeman.

I don't read him now because he often sticks the knife in a few weeks afterwards.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: glasses on November 28, 2013, 04:54:07 PM
Just going back, for me Albrighton showed more quality in the League cup game than Tonev has all season.

Tonev is Lambert's player though, so I don't expect Marc to push him out that easily.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eastie on November 28, 2013, 05:12:09 PM
It's quite scary when James Nursey is being optimistic. Like seeing a smiling policeman.

Being a Norwich fan , he is often complimentary towards Lambert although he can sometimes be like a wolf in sheeps clothing  and fan the flames when times are tough.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on November 28, 2013, 05:14:47 PM
Dont think we will see a repeat of the night when everything went in - I `ll go  2-1 to the Villa
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on November 28, 2013, 05:40:50 PM
They had the Wigan/Brighton game on the telly last night. I watched Albrighton. While he is far better than the likes of McClean he is not up the quality of Tonev right now.

Marc delivered some great crosses and was superb positionally, but he was very low energy and slow.

Besides, doesnt Marc primarily play on the right and Tonev primarily on the left?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Monty on November 28, 2013, 05:41:19 PM
Just going back, for me Albrighton showed more quality in the League cup game than Tonev has all season.

Tonev is Lambert's player though, so I don't expect Marc to push him out that easily.

I say play both of them. Delph and Westwood sitting deep in midfield with Marc, Gabby and Tonev interchanging behind the Tek. Let's have a real go at these.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 28, 2013, 06:39:54 PM
Good to see Luna back if it means Clark can go to centre half. Gardner really needs to start making an impact now.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eastie on November 28, 2013, 06:49:06 PM
Good to see Luna back if it means Clark can go to centre half. Gardner really needs to start making an impact now.

Yes , I think the next few months could make or break Gary's villa career - he cannot really afford another injury if he wants a new deal.

Luna is a welcome addition to the squad for the weekend.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ez on November 28, 2013, 06:50:51 PM
I fancy Benteke, Weimann and Agbonlahor to all end their goal droughts on Saturday.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on November 28, 2013, 08:57:04 PM
I am worried about Eastie's honking.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eastie on November 28, 2013, 09:17:05 PM
I am worried about Eastie's honking.

Haha chelts - just noticed - predictive texting my friend ;)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on November 28, 2013, 11:53:52 PM
This should be a comfortable win. Don't ruin my weekend, Villa!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: danlanza on November 29, 2013, 12:20:57 AM
Three people have voted on the poll for a Villa loss. Can we have them shot at dawn please ? Dawn's place is at 25..............................Apartment 9....................................
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 29, 2013, 02:21:35 AM
3-1

benteke    fletcher
gabby
vlaar
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on November 29, 2013, 02:32:42 AM
Surely we can't not win this game??

Weimann, Agbonlahor and Delph must all start
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on November 29, 2013, 07:15:02 AM
Hard to predict a line up when we don't know who's really fit. It'd be great if Luna was fit to come in. There must be a good chance that at least one or two of the three who came on last Monday are ok to start- we may lack energy if all three start though

I do wonder if he'll go with the 3412 that finished the baggies game.

Good to see Gardner back but I think it's completely unfair to say he really needs to make an impact in the next couple of months. I think he might take a year to show us his real potential, just as Delph and Ramsey did after significant injuries
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on November 29, 2013, 07:22:13 AM
I also don't think this is a guaranteed three points, though I do fancy us to win

They've definitely improved since poyet arrived. Granted their away form is still poor but that's partly because they keep getting players sent off.

Would ideally like to see

Guzan - Lowton vlaar Clark Luna - bacuna Westwood Delph - Weimann benteke gabby
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: rob_bridge on November 29, 2013, 08:30:05 AM
I also don't think this is a guaranteed three points, though I do fancy us to win

They've definitely improved since poyet arrived. Granted their away form is still poor but that's partly because they keep getting players sent off.

Would ideally like to see

Guzan - Lowton vlaar Clark Luna - bacuna Westwood Delph - Weimann benteke gabby

Exactly - looking forward to my first trip to Villa Park this season.
H&V seller(s) please have some back issues available. Likely to be the one nearest Trinity Road.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on November 29, 2013, 08:42:52 AM
That will probably be me if I get back from my WSFA Finals tournament on time.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eastie on November 29, 2013, 08:49:36 AM
Quote from: birmingham mail
Paul Lambert has tipped Aleksandar Tonev to be a success at Aston Villa after being encouraged by his “pace and energy” during the early days of his claret and blue career.

The Bulgarian international winger has impressed in flashes since his summer move from Lech Poznan as he adjusts to playing in the Premier League.

Tonev forced an early save from Boaz Myhill during Monday’s draw at Albion before making way for Andi Weimann just before the hour mark.

Lambert is convinced he will be an important player for Villa once he gets used to the demands of English football.

“He’s lightning quick, Alex, but you’ve got to give people time,” said Lambert. “At certain times they come in and hit the ground running but sometimes it takes foreign lads coming into this country a good bit to adjust.

“I’ve been happy with Alex, sometimes he’ll make mistakes like everybody else but his energy is very high. One or two take longer than others but that’s to be expected.

“You just have to wait for that time but his contribution I don’t have a problem with.”

Lambert also explained that he has recalled Marc Albrighton from his loan spell at Wigan to help Villa cope with a demanding fixture list between now and the new year.

After tomorrow’s match against Sunderland, Villa have six Premier League games in December.

“We need everybody and I’ve just pulled Marc back because of that as well,” added Lambert.

“The amount of games we’re going to have to play in this period is pretty demanding. I think he’s done well for Owen Coyle which was good.”

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on November 29, 2013, 10:57:57 AM
Like someone else said a bit earlier on here, I think it'll be similar to the Cardiff game.

It'll be interesting to see if he starts with Gabby and Weimann. I do like the idea of Gabby running at Phil Bardsley but it would be a shame to leave out Kozak just as it looks as if he's slowly getting to grips with the English game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 29, 2013, 11:41:36 AM
Sunderland have arguably the slowest back 4 in the history of football....Bardsley....O/Shea....Brown....Colback so it would make sense imo to go back to our usual front trio for this one given we scored 6 past these last time out.

I'm obviously not saying that would happen again (426/1 at Paddy Power for another 6-1 btw) but it does seem a good defence for our strikers to run at.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 29, 2013, 11:52:27 AM
Cant see anything other than a Villa win, I'd like to say routine, but we rarely do things routinely or by the numbers these days so huff & puff for 30 minutes then I think 2-0 or 3-1.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eastie on November 29, 2013, 11:52:58 AM
Three people have voted on the poll for a Villa loss. Can we have them shot at dawn please ? Dawn's place is at 25..............................Apartment 9....................................

Do you mean at the crack of dawn ;)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eastie on November 29, 2013, 11:55:40 AM
I think the key to this game would be an early goal which would lift the team and fans - if we can get that it could be a rare relaxing comfortable win , if not it could be a tetchy afternoon but a win will be ours .
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: not3bad on November 29, 2013, 11:59:28 AM
Going by what happened with Cardiff I reckon it'll be tetchy.  They'll be set up to nullify us and breaking them down will be a struggle, again.  Fortunately Villa have shown they do have the resolve to keep going so hopefully a breakthrough will come.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on November 29, 2013, 12:57:50 PM
Time for my weekly question:

Any idea who the referee is? (don't say Phil Dowd).
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on November 29, 2013, 01:04:07 PM
Phil Dowd.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on November 29, 2013, 01:05:10 PM
Or Neil Swarbrick.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 29, 2013, 01:07:44 PM
Dowd reffed the 6-1 didn't he?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 29, 2013, 01:08:52 PM
Ignore me it was Anal Probert
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on November 29, 2013, 01:13:44 PM
Match Appointments
Referee: Neil Swarbrick. Assistants: S Child, J Flynn. Fourth Official: L Probert
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on November 29, 2013, 01:29:03 PM
Thank you

I don't really remember Swarbrick, which I take as a good sign.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Miguelito on November 29, 2013, 02:55:18 PM
Thank you

I don't really remember Swarbrick, which I take as a good sign.

Exactly what i was thinking, that's always a sign of a good ref
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eastie on November 29, 2013, 03:03:41 PM
Thank you

I don't really remember Swarbrick, which I take as a good sign.



Exactly what i was thinking, that's always a sign of a good ref

Indeed it is , a goof ref is one you don't notice much .
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: rob_bridge on November 29, 2013, 03:10:29 PM
Thank you

I don't really remember Swarbrick, which I take as a good sign.



Exactly what i was thinking, that's always a sign of a good ref

Indeed it is , a goof ref is one you don't notice much .

To extend further - a good pundit or manager is one who doesn't blame the ref for the team's shortcomings.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on November 29, 2013, 03:42:43 PM
We are odds against with a couple of firms tomorrow.

I don't know whether to be happy that that's good betting value, or depressed that we are odds against versus a relegation fodder side at home.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Lsvilla on November 29, 2013, 03:46:02 PM
Thank you

I don't really remember Swarbrick, which I take as a good sign.

Exactly what i was thinking, that's always a sign of a good ref
Swarbrick is the one who bottled sending Rooney off last week
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 29, 2013, 03:51:22 PM
We are odds against with a couple of firms tomorrow.

I don't know whether to be happy that that's good betting value, or depressed that we are odds against versus a relegation fodder side at home.

Behave. "How did we sink so low?" was sooo last season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Ron Manager on November 29, 2013, 04:47:18 PM
A 3-1 victory for the boys in claret and blue. Hat trick for Stan Lynn!  Archie 'Cannonball' Fleming replies for them.

and it rains and rains and rains.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 29, 2013, 05:02:00 PM
We are odds against with a couple of firms tomorrow.

I don't know whether to be happy that that's good betting value, or depressed that we are odds against versus a relegation fodder side at home.

Only just odds against, though.

To be honest, I am not surprised. Look at our home record. We might have beaten Cardiff, but that's one game in a pretty long unimpressive run. I'm not surprised people bet against us at home.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on November 29, 2013, 05:15:02 PM
We are odds against with a couple of firms tomorrow.

I don't know whether to be happy that that's good betting value, or depressed that we are odds against versus a relegation fodder side at home.

Only just odds against, though.

To be honest, I am not surprised. Look at our home record. We might have beaten Cardiff, but that's one game in a pretty long unimpressive run. I'm not surprised people bet against us at home.

Our home record is stellar when put against their away record.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: taylorsworkrate on November 29, 2013, 05:54:05 PM
We are odds against with a couple of firms tomorrow.

I don't know whether to be happy that that's good betting value, or depressed that we are odds against versus a relegation fodder side at home.

Behave. "How did we sink so low?" was sooo last season.

I'm pretty pleased on reflection. It does look good value, provided the starting line up is more like the last 30 from Monday, than the first 60.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: fredm on November 29, 2013, 06:05:40 PM
Going by what happened with Cardiff I reckon it'll be tetchy.  They'll be set up to nullify us and breaking them down will be a struggle, again.  Fortunately Villa have shown they do have the resolve to keep going so hopefully a breakthrough will come.

They will no doubt come to stifle us and hope to grab a goal on the break. To counter this we need to get out of the blocks right from the start and get stuck into them, not do our usual by playing casually in our own half of the pitch thus allowing them to gain confidence and composure. If we can score early it will raise the crowd and mean they will have to change tactics and come out which will give us more room to get at their defence.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on November 29, 2013, 06:09:51 PM

4-1
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on November 29, 2013, 07:22:41 PM
Will.I.Am says 3-0 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-25159739)
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Steve kirk on November 29, 2013, 08:00:26 PM
Win and we hit 18 points and will be looking very comfortable.
3-1 Villa, Benteke 2, Weimann.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: eastie on November 29, 2013, 08:27:35 PM
Win and we hit 18 points and will be looking very comfortable.
3-1 Villa, Benteke 2, Weimann.

Indeed onwards and upwards , I have a feeling jol may get the bullet after tomorrow but I hope he survives another week so we avoid the new manager effect on Fulham .
A win tomorrow will set us up nicely in the top 10 hopefully and we can build from a solid platform.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Steve kirk on November 29, 2013, 08:51:22 PM
Win and we hit 18 points and will be looking very comfortable.
3-1 Villa, Benteke 2, Weimann.
Win and we hit 18 points and will be looking very comfortable.
3-1 Villa, Benteke 2, Weimann.

Indeed onwards and upwards , I have a feeling jol may get the bullet after tomorrow but I hope he survives another week so we avoid the new manager effect on Fulham .
A win tomorrow will set us up nicely in the top 10 hopefully and we can build from a solid platform.

We dont do comfortable to easily tho do we

Indeed onwards and upwards , I have a feeling jol may get the bullet after tomorrow but I hope he survives another week so we avoid the new manager effect on Fulham .
A win tomorrow will set us up nicely in the top 10 hopefully and we can build from a solid platform.

We dont do comfortable very easily tho do we?
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: MONCABA on November 29, 2013, 09:40:42 PM
I've gone for a win for us but I think it will be a lot closer then last time.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: gervilla on November 29, 2013, 10:09:38 PM
Barring a complete and utter balls up we should win this one.
I'll go for 2-1 seeing as we don't usually make thing easy.
Benteke & Westwood for us.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: pooligan on November 30, 2013, 01:20:19 AM
villa to win 2-1
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 30, 2013, 01:40:05 AM
It will either be a pretty comfort win or a spawny away win. A bit like the time they hadn't won away for years and had that 1-0 win here when Pubey was in charge.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Smirker on November 30, 2013, 03:38:12 AM
3-0 Villa. Convincing performance to take us to 10th in the table.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: JJ-AV on November 30, 2013, 07:35:58 AM
Got to work so missing today.

As usual, if Benteke is feeling fitter and on song then we'll win. If not then it'll be a tight game that could go either way.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: brontebilly on November 30, 2013, 08:19:31 AM
We are odds against with a couple of firms tomorrow.

I don't know whether to be happy that that's good betting value, or depressed that we are odds against versus a relegation fodder side at home.

dont think its much value to be honest as none of our forwards are in form.

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: garyshawsknee on November 30, 2013, 08:36:35 AM
Hopefully more of the same from the second half of Monday's game,with the 3 subs starting. Be tempted to bring in Lowton for Sylla. If we could get an early goal to settle us down we should be able to take this lot. UTV.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: danlanza on November 30, 2013, 09:38:34 AM
Luna is back in the squad for today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 30, 2013, 09:58:44 AM
It would be nice to see Benteke back on the score sheet today. 2-0 Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 30, 2013, 10:05:31 AM
Guzan, Lowton, Vlaar, Baker, Luna, Westwood, Sylla, Delph, Bacuna, Benteke, Agbonlahor.

Hopefully.

If we need to change it to the way we played against Cardiff (which worked at Home) take Sylla off and bring on Kozac.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Clampy on November 30, 2013, 10:42:44 AM
Guzan, Lowton, Vlaar, Baker, Luna, Westwood, Sylla, Delph, Bacuna, Benteke, Agbonlahor.

I'd be happy with that although at the same time i'd like to see him persevere with Kozak.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Matt Collins on November 30, 2013, 11:07:52 AM
Baker ahead of Clark, sylla ahead of Weimann, kea, or anyone after his performance on Monday?

Not for me

Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: cheltenhamlion on November 30, 2013, 11:13:56 AM
What a cracking winter day this is. Chilly but with glorious sunshine and not a hint of wind. Perfect football weather.

Early goal is the key for us. Get one and I can see us running out comfortable winners.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 30, 2013, 11:14:32 AM
Gotta miss this one as it's fallen on my boy's second birthday, and I'm not allowed out of the house. So I would normally wish upon you all a miserable 1-niller. However, since my replacement shall be my three-and-a-half years old nephew attending his first game, I hope our season-long run of bettered results keeps going.
Nailed-on 6-0, seeing how we can keep a clean sheet these days.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: amfy on November 30, 2013, 11:42:47 AM
Gotta miss this one as it's fallen on my boy's second birthday, and I'm not allowed out of the house. So I would normally wish upon you all a miserable 1-niller. However, since my replacement shall be my three-and-a-half years old nephew attending his first game, I hope our season-long run of bettered results keeps going.
Nailed-on 6-0, seeing how we can keep a clean sheet these days.

Here's hoping you are the new Legion!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on November 30, 2013, 11:43:12 AM
Especially as I'll be there now!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: atomicjam on November 30, 2013, 11:43:41 AM
2-1 Villa win, I will be attending with a nasty cold and silly Movember tash!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Legion on November 30, 2013, 11:44:40 AM
Gotta miss this one as it's fallen on my boy's second birthday, and I'm not allowed out of the house. So I would normally wish upon you all a miserable 1-niller. However, since my replacement shall be my three-and-a-half years old nephew attending his first game, I hope our season-long run of bettered results keeps going.
Nailed-on 6-0, seeing how we can keep a clean sheet these days.

Here's hoping you are the new Legion!

Actually, I wouldn't wish that misfortune on anyone.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on November 30, 2013, 12:16:22 PM
Sylla shouldn't be in the team after his performance vs West Brom. KEA deserves to start ahead of him, although I'd like to see a 442 with Weimann up front next to Benteke.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 30, 2013, 01:29:04 PM
Weimann was full of running and energy against Albion so I hope both he and Gabby are back in the side. I think though with Gabby being out for a month he might start on the bench again.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Chipsticks on November 30, 2013, 01:45:48 PM
Weimann was full of running and energy against Albion so I hope both he and Gabby are back in the side. I think though with Gabby being out for a month he might start on the bench again.

Not to forget the fact he got a really good assist for El Ahmadi, I haven't been to impressed with him so far this season but on the basis of his performance in his Albion cameo I too would start him.
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: olaftab on November 30, 2013, 01:49:12 PM
Hopefully more of the same from the second half of Monday's game,with the 3 subs starting. Be tempted to bring in Lowton for Sylla. If we could get an early goal to settle us down we should be able to take this lot. UTV.
It will be very unlike us to carry on where we left off on Monday so I expect  a few trials and tribulations as usual!
Title: Re: Aston Villa v Sunderland Pre-Match Thread
Post by: Quiet Lion on November 30, 2013, 05:02:43 PM
My god that really was terribad.

I was thinking that all we were really short was a decent AMC, now I think we need a lot more.
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