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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: TEMPORALIS on November 18, 2013, 03:12:17 PM
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Admit it:- you'd completely forgotten about him, hadn't you?
He was looking to be a really astute signing. Here's hoping he makes a speedy recovery.
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Nobody has forgotten about him at all- far from it !
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I just hope people are patient with him when he comes back.
Cruciate ligament injuries are horrible, and it can take you a season to get back up to speed even after the initial time out.
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3540717,00.html?
"I had the same experience. I know what he's going through. Gards and Sharky were struggling last season so I had a few words with them. It must have been frustrating for them."
Gards and Sharky. Cracking nickname dropping there from Mr Vlaar.
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I think that Okore's injury was a massive blow to the club, and resulted in PL having radically to change our pattern of play. I reckon if he had not been injured and had forged a strong partnership with Vlaar, we would be playing a much more adventurous style of football, particularly at home.
Instead, we now have to maintain a defensive shape and keep players behind the and ball rely on counter attacking.
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Good point adrenachrome, Okores pace, along with Bacunas, would have allowed us to play a high line, and more of a pressing game, which is what i think PL wants to play.
IF he comes back to be as good as he looked, then Okores will be another very good signing by PL.
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He was going to be this season's Benteke for us. I was certain of it. I am not sure who this season's Benteke is. Certainly not Benteke at the moment. Bacuna perhaps?
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I only mentioned him in a post last week.
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I read sharky in the text above and couldn't think who that could be, then clicked the link and it it made perfect sense, great nickname.
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Okore is already a legend. May he have a speedy, not speedo, recovery. Lock thread. ;)
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Sharky and George, crime busters of the sea.
Jores was never forgotten on these pages. We just wouldn't allow it to happen.
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Lol.. I had to click the link to get Sharky. That is brilliant.
I am chuffed Vlaar has turned up as a player this season, as he seems to be a really good bloke to have as captain.
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I hadn't forgot because I am still gutted about his injury.
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We've hardly forgotten about him as he is mentioned on a regular basis.
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I look forward to people writing him off in his first couple of months back from injury
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Not forgotten but thankfully he hasn't been missed quite as we might have expected when he went off injured. To the credit of Clark, Vlaar and Baker, they've really stepped up to the plate and we've pretty solid because of it.
I'm looking forward to seeing him come back next year. He'll have to fight tooth and nail for his place though, because whilst he looks potentially brilliant, he won't just waltz back into the side. That is of course if the current first choice CH's all keep their form up through the season.
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Was sat near Okore yesterday, he either had about 7 coats on or he's a man mountain!
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Man mountain
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Is he gone for the season or will he be back near the end of it ??
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Out for the season, I believe.
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Admit it:- you'd completely forgotten about him, hadn't you?
That's a strange statement. We're reminded of Okore's absence every time Baker or Clark feck up
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Was sat near Okore yesterday, he either had about 7 coats on or he's a man mountain!
Definitely man mountain. Remember an interview over here just as the season started, where he said he'd Benteke'd Benteke on his second day in training, just to let people know he doesn't mess around.
Apparently the whole training ground just stood there with open mouths because they couldn't believe what they'd seen!
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Is he out for the entire season ? Did he break something ?
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Admit it:- you'd completely forgotten about him, hadn't you?
That's a strange statement. We're reminded of Okore's absence every time Baker or Clark feck up
Bit harsh on Clark that. He's barely put a foot wrong this season. Granted that's surprising based on the previous two seasons, but nevertheless he's been very good this season.
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He's been absolute garbage this season.
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Is he out for the entire season ? Did he break something ?
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not but............cruciate ligaments ruptured and out for rest of the season
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Just tweeted he may be back this season,good news
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That'd be good.
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That'd be good.
lets hope its quicker than the wait for Dunne
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That's good to hear.
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In his tweet the word May is capitalized. Does he mean to emphasize may and lower expectations, or suggest the month of May which in truth is too late however welcome it will be to see him?
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If he does come back I don't expect anything but still good to hear.
When did he do his ACL? September wasn't it? Hope he isn't rushed back.
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I'd be tempted to write him off for the season - unless we're in a relegation dog fight - and let him get properly fit and ease him back slowly.
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If Doug were still in charge you'd be forgiven for questioning the timing of this.
Good news his recovery is on track.
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In his tweet the word May is capitalized. Does he mean to emphasize may and lower expectations, or suggest the month of May which in truth is too late however welcome it will be to see him?
I think it's just autocorrect on his phone.
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I dream the other night that he was fit in January, so it's nice to see he's making better progress, if only because it clearly means a lot to him.
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I think he'll be back in training well before the end of the season, but it can take a while to get back up to speed after this injury so if he's ready to play or not is a different matter, he could be back for 7-8 games or not make it at all this year, it's one of those injuries where it's really difficult to know.
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PL confirmed in B'ham Mail that Jores is doing "great" with his recovery and is targetting a return within 2 months. Great News! Especially after Kozak's awful injury.
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Well as long as he doesn't rush it then that's excellent. And will probably kaboosh any move for a CB this window.
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His agent confirmed that he will resume light training in just 3 weeks time.
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With his age, I really hope they take it slowly. And we should still look to get another experienced centre half to cover Vlaar and allow Okore to come back in his own good time.
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His agent confirmed that he will resume light training in just 3 weeks time.
Amazing recovery in just 4 months from such a serious injury!
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With his age, I really hope they take it slowly. And we should still look to get another experienced centre half to cover Vlaar and allow Okore to come back in his own good time.
Agree completely for his and team's sake.
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I'd rather he misses the rest of the season than we try and be clever and bring him back too soon.
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I'd rather he misses the rest of the season than we try and be clever and bring him back too soon.
Was thinking the same. Four months for an ACL does seem very short.
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Kozak is expected back in February :-) such is the medical team's healing powers.
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Just said he'll be back playing in 2-3 months. Good news but I hope they don't rush him back!
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So potentially back late March early April? Could be crucial if we are in trouble.
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If he had full, reconstructive surgery i have serious reservations about him coming back this soon. See what happened to Laursen as an example.
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I'd rather he misses the rest of the season than we try and be clever and bring him back too soon.
Was thinking the same. Four months for an ACL does seem very short.
I once did both my ACLs. Was back playing in 3 days.
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I'd rather he misses the rest of the season than we try and be clever and bring him back too soon.
Was thinking the same. Four months for an ACL does seem very short.
I once did both my ACLs. Was back playing in 3 days.
Chess? Draughts?
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Ironside at the local Amdram society?
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There is an article on the official website suggesting he should be back by this time next month.
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I do not see how this would be a good idea; these things usually take a good year to heal and I would be worried to see him out there playing some six months or so after injuring it. I think he should be shelved until next season...
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He isn't built like a normal human being though. He looks like he has eaten Benteke.
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Maybe he is a fast healer, or maybe he is being rushed back as we weren't funded to get another CB in as cover. But I would be surprised if the medics / Dr would be bullied by any manager to force a player to play before they allowed it.
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With all due respect pelty unless you're a world renowned knee surgeon specializing in the ACL area I think the medical team will know exactly when and if he's ready or not. We tend to judge what's best based on experience. Specialists base it on know how, latest medical advancements and the Patients specific healing ability.
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I do not see how this would be a good idea; these things usually take a good year to heal and I would be worried to see him out there playing some six months or so after injuring it. I think he should be shelved until next season...
Wouldn't that decision be made in conjunction with the club doctors? I would also imagine he'd be used quite sparingly as he builds up his match fitness.
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If he plays this season, it's a bonus as we all pretty much wrote him off. I trust the medical team to get this one right, but personally if there were any doubt I'd advocate not taking any risks.
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If he plays this season, it's a bonus as we all pretty much wrote him off. I trust the medical team to get this one right, but personally if there were any doubt I'd advocate not taking any risks.
If he plays this season, it's a bonus as we all pretty much wrote him off. I trust the medical team to get this one right, but personally if there were any doubt I'd advocate not taking any risks.
I agree, let's just make sure when he comes back it's the right time.
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With all due respect pelty unless you're a world renowned knee surgeon specializing in the ACL area I think the medical team will know exactly when and if he's ready or not. We tend to judge what's best based on experience. Specialists base it on know how, latest medical advancements and the Patients specific healing ability.
With all due respect pelty unless you're a world renowned knee surgeon specializing in the ACL area I think the medical team will know exactly when and if he's ready or not. We tend to judge what's best based on experience. Specialists base it on know how, latest medical advancements and the Patients specific healing ability.
He will be ready as that is what he said when i asked him !
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If he plays this season, it's a bonus as we all pretty much wrote him off. I trust the medical team to get this one right, but personally if there were any doubt I'd advocate not taking any risks.
This essentially is what I am saying; but I would add that there is a difference between going hard in practice, or perhaps even in the reserves matches, and in the PL. I am just worried that he would tweak it or worse and, unless we are desperate to reinsert him into the lineup, which would mean we were deep in it and had bigger problems to worry about, I just do not see any serious benefit to playing him this year. Just my opinion... I respect that others differ on this matter.
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I think this is part of the reason we didn't get a CB in January, his much better than expected recovery period.
Really looking forward to having him back, the lad would've been a revelation for us this season given how well Vlaar has played. Although there is of course a risk after such an injury but if he and the medical team are happy then go for it.
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I imagine the club will take a cautious approach to bringing him back. And especially if by March/April we're safe or very close to it. He'll get some playing time just to get him back into things. I don't think anyone wants him to break down.
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He needs time to get back to the demands of a Prem game and the toll it can take - witness: Big Ron.
Patched up and with a weakness, other bits start falling off: calf last month; hamstring this. Same leg?
Wait 'til he's ready, then give it another 2/3 weeks for the "strain" of match-level fitness to become the norm.
Trust me, I'm a doctor!
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Less haste more speed as they say.
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the truth is whenever he comes back be it this season or the start of next we'll all be nervous. I'm sure his reintroduction will be managed carefully
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With Vlaar's injury record last season and this season we'll need him back in some shape or form before the end of the season. The medical advances with regard to this type of injury are truly amazing if he's back that soon. If Vlaar gets any type of long term injury and we have to go with the so called "young lads" at the back for the rest of the season we had better hope that Gabby, Benteke and Weimann are in scoring form for the next few months.
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I think that Okore's injury was a massive blow to the club, and resulted in PL having radically to change our pattern of play. I reckon if he had not been injured and had forged a strong partnership with Vlaar, we would be playing a much more adventurous style of football, particularly at home.
Instead, we now have to maintain a defensive shape and keep players behind the and ball rely on counter attacking.
Interesting point, especially regarding our home form. When Jores does finally return it wouldn't surprise me if we go three across the back. Jores looks like he completely owns everything on the right side, Vlaar controlling from the middle and Clark on the left. So many teams now play with only one striker, it would really free us up and strengthen the midfield plus give us extra width.
Whatever formation we play, based on the few games he played, Jores will strengthen the defence. I'm really looking forward to his return whenever that may be.
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The video of Okores v Chelsea in the CL last season reminded me of the one for McGrath v Italy in the WC in 94. I'm not comparing the talent for both players, just the videos were similar.
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The video of Okores v Chelsea in the CL last season reminded me of the one for McGrath v Italy in the WC in 94. I'm not comparing the talent for both players, just the videos were similar.
It was an impressive performance from Jores. Not just defensively but in an attacking sense too, played so many dangerous balls in from defence and got forward a couple of times too. He looks to be a fantastic footballer and a real coup for us.
I've said it before but I believe he can be the best centre back in the league. Felt sick when he did his ACL as I was really looking forward to seeing him play and he'd done well in the short time he'd been on the pitch.
Can't wait for his return. Top lad on Twitter too.
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I think that Okore's injury was a massive blow to the club, and resulted in PL having radically to change our pattern of play. I reckon if he had not been injured and had forged a strong partnership with Vlaar, we would be playing a much more adventurous style of football, particularly at home.
Instead, we now have to maintain a defensive shape and keep players behind the and ball rely on counter attacking.
Interesting point, especially regarding our home form. When Jores does finally return it wouldn't surprise me if we go three across the back. Jores looks like he completely owns everything on the right side, Vlaar controlling from the middle and Clark on the left. So many teams now play with only one striker, it would really free us up and strengthen the midfield plus give us extra width.
Whatever formation we play, based on the few games he played, Jores will strengthen the defence. I'm really looking forward to his return whenever that may be.
It's something that has occurred to me, also.
To play that formation right, it's really a three man defence, 4 in midfield, a no 10 and two strikers. Given that we know we're after a number 10, we could line up something like:-
Guzan
Okore - Vlaar - Clark
Bacuna - Westwood - Delph - Bertrand
New no 10
Gabby - Benteke
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That looks pretty balanced to me CJ
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That looks pretty balanced to me CJ
And, you could consider the approach adopted by the likes of Arse, Citeh and ManUre and simply play two very attacking FB with two footballing CB.
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3678273,00.html (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3678273,00.html)
Apparently Jores could be back in a matter of weeks. Good news. Ron's hanging in there by a thread at the moment, so it'll be good to have the extra cover and allow Concrete to rest and recover when needed.
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great news to have him close to a return.....UTV
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Excellent news, provided we're not rushing him back too quick. It'd be great to have him back in the team.
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It's potentially great news but Okore made a half time presentation at Villa Park recently and I thought he was limping as he left the pitch.
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He was wearing shoes with trackies which is well-naff.
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Good news. I would expect him to take several games to get back to speed though, so unlikely we will benefit a great deal from his return this season.
Introduce him as gently as possible and get him ready for next season.
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It's a bit different with a centre back. They'll only involve him once he's ready and when he is, it will be good for him to get a run of games to get more experience of the league.
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Good stuff. Hope he comes back soon.
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I'd stick him on the bench and only really play him when Vlaar is injured. There's no need to rush him back and each match Clark has should/could improve him as a player. Furthermore a leftie and a righty at the back has slightly better balance.
Alternatively I might be tempted to go three at the back. Okore's pace would make him ideal on the right, Vlaar in the middle and I suppose clark on the left I'd prefer someone faster). With so few teams playing natural wingers and our fullback's seemingly better going forwards than back it could play to our strengths and make us different/more awkward to play against.
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He was wearing shoes with trackies which is well-naff.
What's wrong with that? (he says looking down anxiously)
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Hmmm, Okore, Okore, i know that name from somewhere......
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Any news? Expecting some any day now.
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No news might be good news.
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I've not forgotten about Jores. Can't wait until he play for us again.
I've said it before but he can become the best centre back in the league.
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Would imagine he'll play a few reserve/behind close doors friendlies first so wait to see his name in that.
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I've not forgotten about Jores. Can't wait until he play for us again.
I've said it before but he can become the best centre back in the league.
Based on what?
I was impressed with him in the short time he was on the pitch for us but I wouldn't make a statement like that!
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There's no need to even think about playing him this season. Far better to nurse him back and get a pre-season under his belt then go for it in August. We're not desperate in the grand scheme of things so why risk him breaking down for the sake of a few meaningless games?
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I agree nasty
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I also agree. As long as Vlaar stays fit central defence isn't really the problem with this team.
The other thing to remember is when you're out for this amount of time with a cruciate injury it can take ages to get back up to speed (for example Delph needed something like 6 months of regular playing time before he really came into form last season) so its really important we don't write Okore off if it takes a while for him to make an impact.
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I agree
He'll be written off by some after three games back though I promise
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Okore likely to play before end of season according to PL. Maybe early April, which would be great....I think he will be a star for us.
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Good news. I'm more than sure that our medical team are not trying to rush him back, that would be ridiculous. We know that Okore wants to play that's why he didn't go to Chelsea. Get him back and create some real competition at the back.
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just seen on the Official site that Jores is back in the open air running, twisting and turning so let's hope he gets back to full fitness as soon as possible.
be great if fully fit to see him playing at the last game of the season when nothing should depend on it.
UTV
The Doc
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A few sub appearances would be about right I reckon. Don't put any pressure on him, just let him ease himself back in so that he's ready to go next season.
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I'm not really concerned about this and trust the medial staff and Lambert on it. If he's fit, he can play. If he's not, then he won't. Without any real pressure on us now there's no chance of trying to rush him back, so we can relax about it.
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Has ruled himself out of a return to action this season:
"It's about next season for me now," Okore told the Birmingham Mail.
"I am looking forward to that. I can't wait. It can't come quick enough. It will be next season when I get my big chance again to prove myself. I want to show what I can do.
"The manager has been very supportive with me. He bought me, he showed great faith in me and now I want to repay him.
"He bought for me a reason - he must have believed in my ability. I will prove he was right!"
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as much as we all would have loved to have seen him this season I think this is the best case scenario. No need to rush him back. I absolutely love his enthusiasm.
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Yep sounds sensible to me.
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I trusted that they would be sensible and tailor his recovery programme according to his rate of recovery. If they think he's not going to be ready to be involved in the last few games, then fair enough and I'll look forward to him being a regular next season.
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But correct decision I guess.
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There's absolutely no point in rushing and potentially putting his recovery back 6 months or a year, because that's what we're talking with this sort of injury.
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Having read comments about this guy from various posters in various topics it seems like a lot are pinning their hopes on him being some kind of lynch pin for our defence next season - a lot of pressure to bear on a new signing - but is he all that? Only time will tell - I hope he lives up to the hype.
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Having read comments about this guy from various posters in various topics it seems like a lot are pinning their hopes on him being some kind of lynch pin for our defence next season - a lot of pressure to bear on a new signing - but is he all that? Only time will tell - I hope he lives up to the hype.
He'll be good.
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He's looked good every time I've seen him play. He & Vlaar will be fine together.
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Any updates on this fella? I take it he won't be ready until next season now...?
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I heard a rumour today that Jores has been fit for some time but likes playing and training with the kids so much that he has refused to play/ train with the first team. At least that's what I am going to post over on TBAR. Just kidding.
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haha
He is getting ready for next season btw.
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Any updates on this fella? I take it he won't be ready until next season now...?
He appears to have turned into Villa's designated signed-programme-presenter / charity-cheque-accepter
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Any updates on this fella? I take it he won't be ready until next season now...?
He appears to have turned into Villa's designated signed-programme-presenter / charity-cheque-accepter
Me and the missus saw him drive into the VP car park before the Stoke game. We wondered if he was an unexpected addition to the bench, and then he appeared at half-time making a little speech.
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Shame, we really need him for the last few games.
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Has he stopped wearing shoes with trackie bottoms?
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Has he stopped wearing shoes with trackie bottoms?
Fashion faux pas!
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Formal shoes with tracksuit bottoms? Surely that's what fines were invented for.